Church plaque to Great War dead is found dumped in garden

Bournemouth Echo: Bournemouth Cemetery ground worker Umberto Finocchiaro with the mystery ‘Great War’ plaque Bournemouth Cemetery ground worker Umberto Finocchiaro with the mystery ‘Great War’ plaque

A PLAQUE commemorating eight men who died in World War One was found dumped in a Bournemouth garden.

An appeal has gone out for information about which church originally housed the memorial so that it can be put back on display.

The large plaque was handed in at Bournemouth’s Wimborne Road cemetery on Friday after a council cleansing worker found it in a garden in Charminster Road.

Cemetery ground worker Umberto Finocchiaro said: “Somebody from the council found it in a garden.

“They brought it in here and left it with us.”

He said from the state of the memorial, it looked as though it had been fixed outside.

The plaque records the names of eight ‘men of this church’ who died in what was then called the Great War.

The end date of the war is given as 1919 rather than 1918, perhaps suggesting one or more of the men died later on of wounds suffered in the war.

Linda Barker, bereavement services manager at Bournemouth Borough Council, said: “It was brought here having been found dumped somewhere along Charminster Road.

“Because it’s a commemorative thing, the individual thought they would bring it here. It hasn’t come from here and we’ve looked at it.

“We need to hopefully find out where it’s come from.

“We just feel when we’re coming up to the 100th anniversary of the First World War, this should be back where it was originally placed if that’s possible.

“It needs to be cleaned up and put back somewhere.”

Anyone with information should ring Bournemouth council’s bereavement services team on 01202 526238.

The inscription reads...

“To the glory of God and in everlasting remembrance of the following men of this church who laid down their lives for righteousness and liberty in the Great War of 1914-19 (sic).

“William A Herbert, Robert Carter, George Cook, Victor Goom, Fred I Clarke, William Polden, Douglas Best, Leonard Nicklen.

“The souls of the righteous are in the hands of God.”

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6:44am Tue 28 Jan 14

sarahinpoole says...

Perhaps the date error was noticed and it was replaced with a correct one?
Perhaps the date error was noticed and it was replaced with a correct one? sarahinpoole

7:31am Tue 28 Jan 14

Lord Spring says...

sarahinpoole wrote:
Perhaps the date error was noticed and it was replaced with a correct one?
The British Army was still in conflict in Russia in1919 and the war did not officially end till 1921
[quote][p][bold]sarahinpoole[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the date error was noticed and it was replaced with a correct one?[/p][/quote]The British Army was still in conflict in Russia in1919 and the war did not officially end till 1921 Lord Spring

8:02am Tue 28 Jan 14

Lord Spring says...

It is more than likely to have come from a school than a church as church ones tend to be more ornate, work places also had memorials erected. Just look at the one in the Post Office in Wellington Road.
Bearing in mind the location of residence of the 3 positive from CWGC Debt of Honour. St Andrews School or the old Malmesbury Park School could be a possibles or may be the Elim Chapel Victoria Place.


Positive results from http://www.hut-six.c
o.uk/cgi-bin/search1
421.php.
Leonard Nicklen, Husband of Emily Nicklen, of Frogham, nr. Fordingbridge, Hants.
William Polden. Son of Absalom and Elizabeth Polden, of 19, Richmond Park Rd., Bournemouth.
William Anthony Herbert. Son of William and Jane Herbert, of 9, Victoria Rd., Bournemouth.

The Frogham address is the residence of the widow when IWGC complied the Debt of Honour circa 1923 so Nicklen must have been a local lad.
It is more than likely to have come from a school than a church as church ones tend to be more ornate, work places also had memorials erected. Just look at the one in the Post Office in Wellington Road. Bearing in mind the location of residence of the 3 positive from CWGC Debt of Honour. St Andrews School or the old Malmesbury Park School could be a possibles or may be the Elim Chapel Victoria Place. Positive results from http://www.hut-six.c o.uk/cgi-bin/search1 421.php. Leonard Nicklen, Husband of Emily Nicklen, of Frogham, nr. Fordingbridge, Hants. William Polden. Son of Absalom and Elizabeth Polden, of 19, Richmond Park Rd., Bournemouth. William Anthony Herbert. Son of William and Jane Herbert, of 9, Victoria Rd., Bournemouth. The Frogham address is the residence of the widow when IWGC complied the Debt of Honour circa 1923 so Nicklen must have been a local lad. Lord Spring

8:18am Tue 28 Jan 14

Lord Spring says...

Victor Goom Son of Mr. W. E. Goom, of 232, Holderhurst Rd., Bournemouth.

This leads me to believe this memorial is definitely a Springbourne issue.
Victor Goom Son of Mr. W. E. Goom, of 232, Holderhurst Rd., Bournemouth. This leads me to believe this memorial is definitely a Springbourne issue. Lord Spring

8:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

Lord Spring says...

Robert Charles Carter Son of Robert George and Emily Sarah Carter, of 1, Gilbert Rd., Richmond Park, Bournemouth.

No further positive ID regarding resident be have found their burial locations

If this memorial is not claimed what better place to erect it than Springbourne Library in this year as part of the100 year remembrance of the outbreak of WW1 they were Springbourne Lads along with 2 VCs who also lived here
Robert Charles Carter Son of Robert George and Emily Sarah Carter, of 1, Gilbert Rd., Richmond Park, Bournemouth. No further positive ID regarding resident be have found their burial locations If this memorial is not claimed what better place to erect it than Springbourne Library in this year as part of the100 year remembrance of the outbreak of WW1 they were Springbourne Lads along with 2 VCs who also lived here Lord Spring

8:38am Tue 28 Jan 14

Carolyn43 says...

Lord Spring why do you suggest it came from a school when the inscription says "this church"?
Lord Spring why do you suggest it came from a school when the inscription says "this church"? Carolyn43

8:45am Tue 28 Jan 14

Lord Spring says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Lord Spring why do you suggest it came from a school when the inscription says "this church"?
Whoops was blind to that. more concerned on identifying the possible area that makes the Elim Tabernacle Victoria Place a strong favourite.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: Lord Spring why do you suggest it came from a school when the inscription says "this church"?[/p][/quote]Whoops was blind to that. more concerned on identifying the possible area that makes the Elim Tabernacle Victoria Place a strong favourite. Lord Spring

9:24am Tue 28 Jan 14

SeafaringMan says...

It seems a possibility that the criminals who removed it could not find a scrap dealer who would handle it.
It seems a possibility that the criminals who removed it could not find a scrap dealer who would handle it. SeafaringMan

10:59am Tue 28 Jan 14

Lord Spring says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
Lord Spring why do you suggest it came from a school when the inscription says "this church"?
Whoops was blind to that. more concerned on identifying the possible area that makes the Elim Tabernacle Victoria Place a strong favourite.
Or the demolished Methodist Church adjacent to Sprinbourne Library.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: Lord Spring why do you suggest it came from a school when the inscription says "this church"?[/p][/quote]Whoops was blind to that. more concerned on identifying the possible area that makes the Elim Tabernacle Victoria Place a strong favourite.[/p][/quote]Or the demolished Methodist Church adjacent to Sprinbourne Library. Lord Spring

1:35pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Jenny PoshPaws says...

If you look under www.forces-war-recor
ds.co.uk, both Goom and Nicklen are there - Nicklen with the Cheshire Regiment and Goom with the Dorsetshire regiment.
If you look under www.forces-war-recor ds.co.uk, both Goom and Nicklen are there - Nicklen with the Cheshire Regiment and Goom with the Dorsetshire regiment. Jenny PoshPaws

2:02pm Tue 28 Jan 14

retry69 says...

Jenny PoshPaws wrote:
If you look under www.forces-war-recor

ds.co.uk, both Goom and Nicklen are there - Nicklen with the Cheshire Regiment and Goom with the Dorsetshire regiment.
Hey Jenny PoshPaws how you cooking ? :)
[quote][p][bold]Jenny PoshPaws[/bold] wrote: If you look under www.forces-war-recor ds.co.uk, both Goom and Nicklen are there - Nicklen with the Cheshire Regiment and Goom with the Dorsetshire regiment.[/p][/quote]Hey Jenny PoshPaws how you cooking ? :) retry69

7:05pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Arjay says...

Nice to see that at least 7 of those 8 names are already included in the County Borough of Bournemouth War Memorial Book of Remembrance, kept at the Town Hall.
(There is a Frederick 'J' Clarke listed there, but no Frederick 'I' Clarke.) Could be an error of course... some of the local Great War plaques do have errors.

For example, of the 118 names on the Moordown St John's plaque, some 37 of those names are not currently included in the Town Hall Book of Remembrance!
Nice to see that at least 7 of those 8 names are already included in the County Borough of Bournemouth War Memorial Book of Remembrance, kept at the Town Hall. (There is a Frederick 'J' Clarke listed there, but no Frederick 'I' Clarke.) Could be an error of course... some of the local Great War plaques do have errors. For example, of the 118 names on the Moordown St John's plaque, some 37 of those names are not currently included in the Town Hall Book of Remembrance! Arjay

7:36pm Tue 28 Jan 14

pete woodley says...

The names seem more like Poole names.
The names seem more like Poole names. pete woodley

8:17pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Jenny PoshPaws says...

I'm good thanks, Retry69! Still around, still cooking, still writing on my blog - although not as much, these days. :D Hope you're doing well!
I'm good thanks, Retry69! Still around, still cooking, still writing on my blog - although not as much, these days. :D Hope you're doing well! Jenny PoshPaws

8:01am Wed 29 Jan 14

Lord Spring says...

2 further demolished Springbourne Chapels have come to mind.

One was on the corner of Boscombe Grove Road / Curzon Road which Advance Laundry used and then Ricketts Builders.

The other was in Windham Road halfway between the Cricketers and Victoria Place which I believe was used by Little Theatre Company for some years.

It is not an unusual event for plaques of this nature to come to the surface around the country they are often discussed and researched on The Great War Forum
2 further demolished Springbourne Chapels have come to mind. One was on the corner of Boscombe Grove Road / Curzon Road which Advance Laundry used and then Ricketts Builders. The other was in Windham Road halfway between the Cricketers and Victoria Place which I believe was used by Little Theatre Company for some years. It is not an unusual event for plaques of this nature to come to the surface around the country they are often discussed and researched on The Great War Forum Lord Spring

9:52am Wed 29 Jan 14

retry69 says...

Jenny PoshPaws wrote:
I'm good thanks, Retry69! Still around, still cooking, still writing on my blog - although not as much, these days. :D Hope you're doing well!
Yes im good but you don't blog for the Echo now, it was a great diversion from the usual mundane stuff we put up with.Anyway my best wishes and the best of health to you and yours :)
[quote][p][bold]Jenny PoshPaws[/bold] wrote: I'm good thanks, Retry69! Still around, still cooking, still writing on my blog - although not as much, these days. :D Hope you're doing well![/p][/quote]Yes im good but you don't blog for the Echo now, it was a great diversion from the usual mundane stuff we put up with.Anyway my best wishes and the best of health to you and yours :) retry69

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