LiveUPDATE: Poole council backs transit sites for travellers

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Summary

  • Councillors will be asked to approve the sites at Marshes End, Creekmoor, and land north of the B&Q car park, Broadstone Way at a meeting tonight
  • They will also be asked to authorise a planning application to enable the borough to establish these temporary stopping places by the summer.
  • The council estimates it will cost £175,000 to construct the site at Marshes End, and up to £70,000 at Broadstone Way.
  • Last October Borough of Poole held a summit to try to find solutions to the perceived traveller problem, where it was agreed to explore the transit site option
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7:53pm

The meeting is officially over .

7:52pm

The proposal has been carried with 23 members voting in favour, 12 against and two abstentions.

7:51pm

Tense chamber

7:50pm

The members are now voting on the main issue

7:32pm

Cllr Brooke says without a temporary stoping place he council will be "playing cat and mouse" week after week around the borough. 

7:31pm

Cllr Mike Brooke says it is very clear that "this council must do something, and do something now." He says the police support the move to have temporary stopping places. "Clearly, doing nothing is not an option."

7:29pm

He says it is probably the worse proposal he's seen since being a councillor. 

7:28pm

Cllr Rampton says this is "an insane" proposal. He says crime rate do increase when travellers are in the area.

7:26pm

Many of the people who were asked to wait in the lobby because there wasn't room in the main chamber are still out there.

7:14pm

Members of the public are shouting about fly tipping at the sites over the summer.

7:12pm

Cllr Xena Dion says there was about 400 calls about travellers taken by the council last year, about unauthorised sites.

7:11pm

He says he believes some of the travellers this year came to Poole on their holidays. 

7:11pm

But Cllr Clements says Poole residents do not want travellers on the town's recreation grounds, nor at Whitecliff. He says travellers could be moved quickly from public places if the temporary stopping places were backed.

7:09pm

Cllr Brian Clements has called for members of the travelling community to not be stigmatised.

7:08pm

Cllr Atkinson is being heckled by the crowds. She is saying the council must represent all the people of Poole. 

7:04pm

Councillors are voting on the amendment 

6:58pm

The debate has now returned to the main issue of the evening.

6:58pm

The amendment has not be backed by the council.

6:57pm

Councillors are voting on the amendment 

6:57pm

The amendment also calls for the £35,000 funding, that it would cost to maintain the temporary stopping sites annually to be used to  protect vulnerable sites in Poole.

6:54pm

This amendment also calls for a delegation from Poole to be appointed to continue negotiations to deliver the required law change to acscertain a shared Dorset-wide transit site.

6:53pm

Councillor John Rampton has tabled an amendment calling for the 'status quo' of gypsy and traveller provision in Poole to be maintained. 

6:33pm

Cllr Butt also says if the temporary stoping site was ever full to capacity, the police would not be able to move on any more travellers. She said: 'The funds could be better used.' This was met with loud applause.

6:30pm

She also says he cost to the council tax payer has not been properly scrutinised.

6:29pm

Cllr Butt says she wishes to support the move, but residents she represents says there has been no real consultation on the issue. 

6:27pm

He also has called for a full cost analysis of the site to be implemented.

6:26pm

 Cllr Rampton has called for meaningful consultation with Poole residents

6:25pm

Cllr John Rampton is speaking.

6:25pm

Cllr White says the Creekmoor site does have low levels of methane contamination, but that council officers maintain this is 'not an issue'.

6:23pm

Cllr says the two sites meet all the requirements, including not being near residential properties. This was met with loud laughter from members of the public gathered. 

6:22pm

Deputy leader councillor Mike White is speaking about how the council got to this point, to consider temporary stopping places.

6:19pm

Prayers have been said and minutes of the last council meeting noted.

6:18pm

People are being told they may not address councillors, as this is not a public meeting. 

6:17pm

The meeting has just started.

6:16pm

Every vantage point is being used by residents who have turned out for tonight's special meeting:

Bournemouth Echo:

6:12pm

The meeting should have started more than 10 minutes ago. 

6:11pm

About 200 members of the public are here now. There are calls from  people to adjourn the meeting, as people are still being asked to leave the main chamber. They're saying the council should have got a bigger room.

6:07pm

Security guards are moving members of the public who have sat in the councillors' seats. Tensions are growing here.

6:06pm

Even the balcony area above the main doors is packed out.

6:05pm

One member of the public has just shouted 'you should have got a bigger room'. It could be a tricky meeting to chair.

6:04pm

Dreaded health and safety apparently.

6:03pm

Members of the public standing at the back of the chamber have been told there is not enough room, and could they go outside to the lobby where chairs have been placed.

6:01pm

We could be looking at more than 150 members of the public in the main chamber now. Ad people are still arriving.

6:00pm

It looks like it is going to be a case of standing room only for members of the public. 

5:59pm

Only a few minutes to the start of the meeting. Council leader Elaine Atkinson has just arrived.

5:58pm

Members of the public are queuing to get into the main chamber now. Looks like well over 120 people. 

5:55pm

The two public galleries either side of the main chamber are full to capacity. There are around 100 people here now.

5:50pm

Here's a picture of some of the Creekmoor residents who have turned out for the meeting tonight:

Bournemouth Echo:

5:49pm

Creekmoor ward councillor Judy Butt has arrived in the chamber

5:44pm

A significant number of the people attending are Creekmoor residents. 

5:43pm

About 50 members of the public have already arrived for the meeting. The Councillors should arrive in the main chamber in about 10 minutes

5:42pm

Tonight councillors will be asked to approve the sites at Marshes End, Creekmoor, and land north of the B&Q car park, Broadstone Way

5:32pm

Good evening everyone. Our reporter Jim Durkin will be covering tonight's meeting where members of Poole council will be asked to approve the proposed transit sites for travellers.

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6:01pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Kevin_123 says...

I really hope the council do not allow a legal traveller site in these areas. It is not fair on people who live around the area paying high prices to live there to have a load of travellers next-door! I do NOT back the site at all!!!
I really hope the council do not allow a legal traveller site in these areas. It is not fair on people who live around the area paying high prices to live there to have a load of travellers next-door! I do NOT back the site at all!!! Kevin_123
  • Score: 28

6:42pm Mon 27 Jan 14

smhinto says...

I wonder why the authorities cannot utilise the local Council recycling or refuse tip as a transit area for these undesirables.
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There again perhaps they could.
I wonder why the authorities cannot utilise the local Council recycling or refuse tip as a transit area for these undesirables. . There again perhaps they could. smhinto
  • Score: 14

6:43pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Wackerone says...

Kevin_123 wrote:
I really hope the council do not allow a legal traveller site in these areas. It is not fair on people who live around the area paying high prices to live there to have a load of travellers next-door! I do NOT back the site at all!!!
By your very logic, there is nobody in Poole in any area who also pay a lot of money for their property's who would want these people anywhere near them. Quite agree, don't put them in Creekmoor or anywhere else come to that.
[quote][p][bold]Kevin_123[/bold] wrote: I really hope the council do not allow a legal traveller site in these areas. It is not fair on people who live around the area paying high prices to live there to have a load of travellers next-door! I do NOT back the site at all!!![/p][/quote]By your very logic, there is nobody in Poole in any area who also pay a lot of money for their property's who would want these people anywhere near them. Quite agree, don't put them in Creekmoor or anywhere else come to that. Wackerone
  • Score: 16

6:43pm Mon 27 Jan 14

drJones says...

are non travellers allowed to make use of this site also? because if we aren't, then I would like to see an area where we can park up and sleep for free. I am a UK resident and we have rights too.
are non travellers allowed to make use of this site also? because if we aren't, then I would like to see an area where we can park up and sleep for free. I am a UK resident and we have rights too. drJones
  • Score: 34

7:00pm Mon 27 Jan 14

i have heard it all now says...

£175,000 Every penny well spent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As soon as the 4 pitches are filled they can park up at Baiter or Whitecliff,I may try this approach as well,I have always wanted a sea view.
£175,000 Every penny well spent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As soon as the 4 pitches are filled they can park up at Baiter or Whitecliff,I may try this approach as well,I have always wanted a sea view. i have heard it all now
  • Score: 22

7:06pm Mon 27 Jan 14

DansAFCB says...

Bloody disgusting! These people CHOOSE to travel and set up illegal camps at the taxpayer's cost then because of a PC world we as taxpayers have to fund their lives and build transit site's. Why can't we stand up to them and refuse them anything. They should pay for hotel's if they choose to travel like the rest of us have too.
Bloody disgusting! These people CHOOSE to travel and set up illegal camps at the taxpayer's cost then because of a PC world we as taxpayers have to fund their lives and build transit site's. Why can't we stand up to them and refuse them anything. They should pay for hotel's if they choose to travel like the rest of us have too. DansAFCB
  • Score: 24

7:23pm Mon 27 Jan 14

i have heard it all now says...

I PREDICT A RIOT!
I PREDICT A RIOT! i have heard it all now
  • Score: 13

7:25pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Townee says...

£175,000 to build this place, what will the daily/weekly rent be for the travellers? If non why not?
We pay council tax every year and don't have a choice if we want to stay out of jail.
£175,000 to build this place, what will the daily/weekly rent be for the travellers? If non why not? We pay council tax every year and don't have a choice if we want to stay out of jail. Townee
  • Score: 20

8:07pm Mon 27 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

The travellers are 10 steps ahead of everybody.

25 pitches.....30 turn up. 5 park illegally.
Get moved on after 5 days.....
Swap places with 5 off the transit site and the circle begins again.
The travellers are 10 steps ahead of everybody. 25 pitches.....30 turn up. 5 park illegally. Get moved on after 5 days..... Swap places with 5 off the transit site and the circle begins again. BIGTONE
  • Score: 17

8:09pm Mon 27 Jan 14

i have heard it all now says...

Who voted for it? Please name them,See you at the ballot box.
Who voted for it? Please name them,See you at the ballot box. i have heard it all now
  • Score: 15

8:09pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Wackerone says...

i have heard it all now wrote:
I PREDICT A RIOT!
Lead on in the front!
[quote][p][bold]i have heard it all now[/bold] wrote: I PREDICT A RIOT![/p][/quote]Lead on in the front! Wackerone
  • Score: 6

8:14pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Originalbabyjames says...

From the comments in the live stream cllr Brooke seemed happy with the proposal. Wonder what the people who voted for him will have to say.
From the comments in the live stream cllr Brooke seemed happy with the proposal. Wonder what the people who voted for him will have to say. Originalbabyjames
  • Score: 5

8:15pm Mon 27 Jan 14

JustForPoole says...

Bet your sweet life if they put up 20 temporary pitches for these holiday making "travellers" we will get 21 "travellers" ........ then back to square one!!!!! They have got to be banished from whence they came!!!
Bet your sweet life if they put up 20 temporary pitches for these holiday making "travellers" we will get 21 "travellers" ........ then back to square one!!!!! They have got to be banished from whence they came!!! JustForPoole
  • Score: 4

8:16pm Mon 27 Jan 14

i have heard it all now says...

Bye Bye Liberals in Broadstone.
Bye Bye Liberals in Broadstone. i have heard it all now
  • Score: 11

8:18pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Originalbabyjames says...

i have heard it all now wrote:
Bye Bye Liberals in Broadstone.
Agreed!
[quote][p][bold]i have heard it all now[/bold] wrote: Bye Bye Liberals in Broadstone.[/p][/quote]Agreed! Originalbabyjames
  • Score: 12

8:28pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Priesty_UK says...

FFS This is just great, voted in by out of touch old bid's who dont have a clue. Give them a broom and make them clean up the mess when they all start turning up. They can also pay the costs when vans/garages etc get broken into. I can see it now - Poole, Dorset its a lovely place to visit.... If your old or a gypsy. Here in Poole we aim to provide for the older generation and the travelling community.
FFS This is just great, voted in by out of touch old bid's who dont have a clue. Give them a broom and make them clean up the mess when they all start turning up. They can also pay the costs when vans/garages etc get broken into. I can see it now - Poole, Dorset its a lovely place to visit.... If your old or a gypsy. Here in Poole we aim to provide for the older generation and the travelling community. Priesty_UK
  • Score: 2

8:41pm Mon 27 Jan 14

DorsetFerret says...

i have heard it all now wrote:
Who voted for it? Please name them,See you at the ballot box.
Totally agree, these councillors need shaming. They may have won the battle but not the war, that's just starting.
[quote][p][bold]i have heard it all now[/bold] wrote: Who voted for it? Please name them,See you at the ballot box.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, these councillors need shaming. They may have won the battle but not the war, that's just starting. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 8

8:49pm Mon 27 Jan 14

mrstanner says...

Surprise, surprise - not one but TWO sites right on my door step. I have already been told the lack of municipal grass cutting outside my house is NOTHING to do with cuts - it's to 'grow a meadow', and my street lighting going off at midnight is because I live in a 'safe area'...how come I pay the same council tax as everyone else in Poole yet Creekmoor gets the **** end of the stick time and time again. Hasn't even got its own school and I have to trail to Waterloo to vote - Creekmoor Councillors are letting us down big time!
Surprise, surprise - not one but TWO sites right on my door step. I have already been told the lack of municipal grass cutting outside my house is NOTHING to do with cuts - it's to 'grow a meadow', and my street lighting going off at midnight is because I live in a 'safe area'...how come I pay the same council tax as everyone else in Poole yet Creekmoor gets the **** end of the stick time and time again. Hasn't even got its own school and I have to trail to Waterloo to vote - Creekmoor Councillors are letting us down big time! mrstanner
  • Score: 6

8:50pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Carol62 says...

As a resident of Creekmoor I hope the council will now keep our street lights on so that we can watch them break into our properties !!! We should be entitled to a council tax rebate...bet the one that voted in favour do not live near the site. Now watch the prices of our properties fall..wonder if the council will make up the shortfall !
As a resident of Creekmoor I hope the council will now keep our street lights on so that we can watch them break into our properties !!! We should be entitled to a council tax rebate...bet the one that voted in favour do not live near the site. Now watch the prices of our properties fall..wonder if the council will make up the shortfall ! Carol62
  • Score: 6

8:51pm Mon 27 Jan 14

mrstanner says...

I wonder just how many of the 'fors' live in Creekmoor?? I notice Cllr Butt is described above as keen to support the move - she doesn't live here! Why did this meeting have to be done on an emergency basis?
I wonder just how many of the 'fors' live in Creekmoor?? I notice Cllr Butt is described above as keen to support the move - she doesn't live here! Why did this meeting have to be done on an emergency basis? mrstanner
  • Score: 7

9:08pm Mon 27 Jan 14

campermad says...

I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th.
I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th. campermad
  • Score: 6

9:25pm Mon 27 Jan 14

we-shall-see says...

campermad wrote:
I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th.
In which case she is probably being pressed into towing the party line …… either that or she's a total hypocrite :o/
[quote][p][bold]campermad[/bold] wrote: I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th.[/p][/quote]In which case she is probably being pressed into towing the party line …… either that or she's a total hypocrite :o/ we-shall-see
  • Score: 3

10:30pm Mon 27 Jan 14

pacamar says...

As someone has already commented, they may have won this battle, but they have not yet won the war.
This is just the beginning, do not expect the residents of Creekmoor to take this lying down!
(Unless of course you include lying down in the road at the entrance to the site when the Council are trying to implement their little scheme!)
Yes I AM serious.
As someone has already commented, they may have won this battle, but they have not yet won the war. This is just the beginning, do not expect the residents of Creekmoor to take this lying down! (Unless of course you include lying down in the road at the entrance to the site when the Council are trying to implement their little scheme!) Yes I AM serious. pacamar
  • Score: 2

8:44am Tue 28 Jan 14

pacamar says...

we-shall-see wrote:
campermad wrote:
I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th.
In which case she is probably being pressed into towing the party line …… either that or she's a total hypocrite :o/
Please get your facts right.
I was at the Council meeting and Judy Butt spoke very eloquently AGAINST this proposal. Unfortunately, 23 other Councillors had already made up their minds on the issue, and no amount of reasoned debate was going to change that.
However, this is not the end, in fact it is just the beginning. This now has to have planning approval before the proposal can proceed. We now need to ensure that EVERYONE makes the effort and makes their voice heard in order to defeat this ridiculous proposal. That includes those who didn't bother to attend the Council meeting and then go on to make false comments!
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]campermad[/bold] wrote: I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th.[/p][/quote]In which case she is probably being pressed into towing the party line …… either that or she's a total hypocrite :o/[/p][/quote]Please get your facts right. I was at the Council meeting and Judy Butt spoke very eloquently AGAINST this proposal. Unfortunately, 23 other Councillors had already made up their minds on the issue, and no amount of reasoned debate was going to change that. However, this is not the end, in fact it is just the beginning. This now has to have planning approval before the proposal can proceed. We now need to ensure that EVERYONE makes the effort and makes their voice heard in order to defeat this ridiculous proposal. That includes those who didn't bother to attend the Council meeting and then go on to make false comments! pacamar
  • Score: -1

8:54am Tue 28 Jan 14

Pile123 says...

Councillors, when reviewing this "planning application" please can you remember you are representing your constituents, the ones that will be funding the work.
We do not want this - is this not clear?
We do not approve of providing free accommodation (actually it is paid for, by residents)
We do not appreciate the increased in ongoing costs of clearing rubbish from the sites if and when they start to be used
It is appalling that this is specifically a problem in the summer holidays
What was the review of proposed sites last year for if all that was intended was a proposed ambush in the heart of a local residential area?
Councillors, when reviewing this "planning application" please can you remember you are representing your constituents, the ones that will be funding the work. We do not want this - is this not clear? We do not approve of providing free accommodation (actually it is paid for, by residents) We do not appreciate the increased in ongoing costs of clearing rubbish from the sites if and when they start to be used It is appalling that this is specifically a problem in the summer holidays What was the review of proposed sites last year for if all that was intended was a proposed ambush in the heart of a local residential area? Pile123
  • Score: 1

4:58pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Gypsyking says...

What a council providing my family with free holidays in poole hope it's not too far from the sand banks joe jones of the gypsy council dun he's job get innnnnn hope it's ready for the summer
What a council providing my family with free holidays in poole hope it's not too far from the sand banks joe jones of the gypsy council dun he's job get innnnnn hope it's ready for the summer Gypsyking
  • Score: 0

7:01pm Tue 28 Jan 14

portia6 says...

Gypsyking wrote:
What a council providing my family with free holidays in poole hope it's not too far from the sand banks joe jones of the gypsy council dun he's job get innnnnn hope it's ready for the summer
Millfield is a small council estate I believe, I know a lot have been bought so
housing stock has been reduced drastically for those on the waiting list for a
home it looks like Poole council should provide some nice caravans.
[quote][p][bold]Gypsyking[/bold] wrote: What a council providing my family with free holidays in poole hope it's not too far from the sand banks joe jones of the gypsy council dun he's job get innnnnn hope it's ready for the summer[/p][/quote]Millfield is a small council estate I believe, I know a lot have been bought so housing stock has been reduced drastically for those on the waiting list for a home it looks like Poole council should provide some nice caravans. portia6
  • Score: 0

7:34pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Pile123 says...

Originalbabyjames wrote:
i have heard it all now wrote:
Bye Bye Liberals in Broadstone.
Agreed!
agreed, when do we get the chance to vote next (and I don't even live in Creekmoor).
Residents have been ambushed by the decision. This should never be placed in a residential area and the skate park is on a commuter route - what an 'advert' for the town.
[quote][p][bold]Originalbabyjames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i have heard it all now[/bold] wrote: Bye Bye Liberals in Broadstone.[/p][/quote]Agreed![/p][/quote]agreed, when do we get the chance to vote next (and I don't even live in Creekmoor). Residents have been ambushed by the decision. This should never be placed in a residential area and the skate park is on a commuter route - what an 'advert' for the town. Pile123
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Tue 28 Jan 14

campermad says...

pacamar wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
campermad wrote:
I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th.
In which case she is probably being pressed into towing the party line …… either that or she's a total hypocrite :o/
Please get your facts right.
I was at the Council meeting and Judy Butt spoke very eloquently AGAINST this proposal. Unfortunately, 23 other Councillors had already made up their minds on the issue, and no amount of reasoned debate was going to change that.
However, this is not the end, in fact it is just the beginning. This now has to have planning approval before the proposal can proceed. We now need to ensure that EVERYONE makes the effort and makes their voice heard in order to defeat this ridiculous proposal. That includes those who didn't bother to attend the Council meeting and then go on to make false comments!
I was only going by the Echo article. However after having spoken to Judy Butt I can now agree that she did not say that at all. She is totally against it.
[quote][p][bold]pacamar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]campermad[/bold] wrote: I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th.[/p][/quote]In which case she is probably being pressed into towing the party line …… either that or she's a total hypocrite :o/[/p][/quote]Please get your facts right. I was at the Council meeting and Judy Butt spoke very eloquently AGAINST this proposal. Unfortunately, 23 other Councillors had already made up their minds on the issue, and no amount of reasoned debate was going to change that. However, this is not the end, in fact it is just the beginning. This now has to have planning approval before the proposal can proceed. We now need to ensure that EVERYONE makes the effort and makes their voice heard in order to defeat this ridiculous proposal. That includes those who didn't bother to attend the Council meeting and then go on to make false comments![/p][/quote]I was only going by the Echo article. However after having spoken to Judy Butt I can now agree that she did not say that at all. She is totally against it. campermad
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mrstanner says...

pacamar says...

we-shall-see wrote:
campermad wrote:
I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th.
In which case she is probably being pressed into towing the party line …… either that or she's a total hypocrite :o/
Please get your facts right.
I was at the Council meeting and Judy Butt spoke very eloquently AGAINST this proposal. Unfortunately, 23 other Councillors had already made up their minds on the issue, and no amount of reasoned debate was going to change that.
However, this is not the end, in fact it is just the beginning. This now has to have planning approval before the proposal can proceed. We now need to ensure that EVERYONE makes the effort and makes their voice heard in order to defeat this ridiculous proposal. That includes those who didn't bother to attend the Council meeting and then go on to make false comments!

My comment re Judy Butt being 'keen to support' is taken direct from the live transcript from the Echo, printed directly above all these comments that have responded, I too would have gone to this meeting but being a sly last minute affair I did not know anything about it until it hit the news, and the same transcript above suggests the public were already made to sit outside and not hear what was going on. Of course IF I had been been aware and the meeting WAS conducted in an appropriate open to all/plenty of notice fashion, I wouldn't HAVE to rely on the above Echo report,.
pacamar says... we-shall-see wrote: campermad wrote: I can guarantee that none of the yes votes live in Creekmoor. This whole process seems to have been rushed through in a very underhand way. I think that the council hoped we ar Creekmoor wouldnt find out. Also what a total disgrace for Judy Butt to say that she would like to support this proposal. She certainly did not give that impression at the meeting of local residents on the 25th. In which case she is probably being pressed into towing the party line …… either that or she's a total hypocrite :o/ Please get your facts right. I was at the Council meeting and Judy Butt spoke very eloquently AGAINST this proposal. Unfortunately, 23 other Councillors had already made up their minds on the issue, and no amount of reasoned debate was going to change that. However, this is not the end, in fact it is just the beginning. This now has to have planning approval before the proposal can proceed. We now need to ensure that EVERYONE makes the effort and makes their voice heard in order to defeat this ridiculous proposal. That includes those who didn't bother to attend the Council meeting and then go on to make false comments! My comment re Judy Butt being 'keen to support' is taken direct from the live transcript from the Echo, printed directly above all these comments that have responded, I too would have gone to this meeting but being a sly last minute affair I did not know anything about it until it hit the news, and the same transcript above suggests the public were already made to sit outside and not hear what was going on. Of course IF I had been been aware and the meeting WAS conducted in an appropriate open to all/plenty of notice fashion, I wouldn't HAVE to rely on the above Echo report,. mrstanner
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8:19pm Tue 28 Jan 14

campermad says...

Also not everyone can attend the meeting at that time of day so perhaps pacamar should try not being so self righteous and sarcastic to another Creekmoor resident
Also not everyone can attend the meeting at that time of day so perhaps pacamar should try not being so self righteous and sarcastic to another Creekmoor resident campermad
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