Councillor defends rejection of Morrisons supermarket for Christchurch

Bournemouth Echo: Councillor defends rejection of Morrisons supermarket for Christchurch Councillor defends rejection of Morrisons supermarket for Christchurch

A COUNCILLOR who proposed the refusal of Morrisons at Stony Lane has defended the reasons for rejecting the scheme.

Cllr Claire Bath, portfolio holder for economy, led the charge against the multi-million pound scheme, with members eventually voting 7-2 to refuse it.

Deliberations took more than an hour after the refusal was first proposed by Cllr Bath, with officers repeatedly stressing councillors must base their refusal on evidence and planning law.

A packed council chamber sat for more than three hours while the application for the supermarket was heard at Christchurch council on Thursday night.

Representatives from Beagle and Morrisons spoke in support of the scheme while developers of Asda’s Bailey Drive scheme, Quantum, opposed the scheme.

Just two days before the special meeting Quantum had issued an ultimatum that Asda would pull out of their site, if another supermarket scheme was approved.

If Morrisons had been approved, it would have enabled Beagle to move to new premises, taking on more staff and adding to the 300 jobs the food store would have provided.

Concerns were expressed mainly about the impact on the town centre as well as the affect on the local conservation area, flooding issues and the impact of traffic on Castle Street, Bridge Street and Purewell.

The findings of a retail report commissioned by the council from Nathaniel Lichfield and Partners, was dismissed by those rejecting the plans.

Cllr Bath said there was a “lack of evidence to support the report.”

“I would not have voiced the opinions I had if I didn’t believe the evidence we had around the 20 per cent linked trips was not robust enough”, she told the Daily Echo.

“I am very supportive of Beagle as a company; I’m not against them or Morrisons, in fact I would like to see a Morrisons in the town.

“But the most important issue to me, particularly being the economy portfolio holder, was the viability of the town centre.

“The study was two-and-a-half years out of date and a lot has changed. Lidl has opened and people’s shopping habits have changed.

“I have looked through both reports and I could not see anything that convinced me they had gone back out to the market. To me it wasn’t enough.”

She did not believe officers would defend a potential appeal, as they had recommended the scheme for approval.

Christchurch council

We asked Christchurch council to comment on members’ lack of confidence in the NLP report as well as whether officers would be defending a possible appeal by Morrisons.

They refused to comment until the full agenda had been discussed.

James Hassett, head of growth and economy at Christchurch Borough Council, said: “The meeting was adjourned and there are still other items on the agenda which will be discussed when the meeting reconvenes on 30 January.

“The report by Nathaniel Lichfield & Partners is pertinent to those other items and we are therefore unwilling to comment on aspects of the decision already made until the full meeting is concluded.”

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9:05am Sat 25 Jan 14

twynham says...

Well done to the planning members for analyzing the figures of this outdated and grossly inaccurate Nathaniel Lichfield & Partners report and not just taking it at face value.
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I would like to ask which Council member or members presented the planning committee with a report that was incompetently conducted, well out of date and irrelevant to the current proposal?
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Conspiracy theorists among us may consider there was a hidden agenda here!
Well done to the planning members for analyzing the figures of this outdated and grossly inaccurate Nathaniel Lichfield & Partners report and not just taking it at face value. . I would like to ask which Council member or members presented the planning committee with a report that was incompetently conducted, well out of date and irrelevant to the current proposal? . Conspiracy theorists among us may consider there was a hidden agenda here! twynham
  • Score: 15

9:08am Sat 25 Jan 14

THawkes says...

Oh well it looks like Cllr Bath and all the other objectors may get there wish that the site will be used for something else as it would seem a company called Cuadrilla were on site yesterday and again this morning when i passed, so it would seem there are definitely other parties interested!
Oh well it looks like Cllr Bath and all the other objectors may get there wish that the site will be used for something else as it would seem a company called Cuadrilla were on site yesterday and again this morning when i passed, so it would seem there are definitely other parties interested! THawkes
  • Score: 6

9:21am Sat 25 Jan 14

billy bumble says...

THawkes wrote:
Oh well it looks like Cllr Bath and all the other objectors may get there wish that the site will be used for something else as it would seem a company called Cuadrilla were on site yesterday and again this morning when i passed, so it would seem there are definitely other parties interested!
Are you serious? - they are frackers afaik

Wonder if this is a tactic by the Morrison developers
[quote][p][bold]THawkes[/bold] wrote: Oh well it looks like Cllr Bath and all the other objectors may get there wish that the site will be used for something else as it would seem a company called Cuadrilla were on site yesterday and again this morning when i passed, so it would seem there are definitely other parties interested![/p][/quote]Are you serious? - they are frackers afaik Wonder if this is a tactic by the Morrison developers billy bumble
  • Score: 0

9:22am Sat 25 Jan 14

jazzy jenkins says...

It wouldn't be because the newly proposed Asda threatened to pull out would it ??
It wouldn't be because the newly proposed Asda threatened to pull out would it ?? jazzy jenkins
  • Score: 9

9:25am Sat 25 Jan 14

bored84 says...

Cuadrilla are frackers / oil and gas exploration - I'm starting to think Morrisons didn't look that bad after all!
Cuadrilla are frackers / oil and gas exploration - I'm starting to think Morrisons didn't look that bad after all! bored84
  • Score: 5

10:03am Sat 25 Jan 14

billy bumble says...

I am sure that this is a scare tactic

Assuming it's true - we only have one persons word for it
I am sure that this is a scare tactic Assuming it's true - we only have one persons word for it billy bumble
  • Score: 5

10:12am Sat 25 Jan 14

twynham says...

Maybe trying to drain the flood water!
Maybe trying to drain the flood water! twynham
  • Score: 8

11:50am Sat 25 Jan 14

Kevin_123 says...

I do find the decision very odd and another supermarket would create much needed jobs, give more options (other than ASDA) to do a food shop, and keep prices low! But the some people who matter do not want this to happen, why?
I do find the decision very odd and another supermarket would create much needed jobs, give more options (other than ASDA) to do a food shop, and keep prices low! But the some people who matter do not want this to happen, why? Kevin_123
  • Score: 4

12:33pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Turtlebay says...

You are overlooking the main point to the objection, the impact of many extra vans cars and lorries (huge articulated lorries deliver to supermarkets!) in this area.

Look at the crossroads outside the Star Inn, can you really envision huge amounts of traffic trying to access the proposed site through that junction?

A large supermarket would be useful for providing extra jobs doubtlessly, but geographically this is the wrong location.

If another large supermarket is so desirable why not build it on the green field site between the Somerford bypass and the railway line? The farmer has been trying to sell it for industrial development for the past 20 years. There is good access from the bypass onto a dual carriageway and if needed, Network Rail could build a short spur from the railway for deliveries by rail rather than by road.
You are overlooking the main point to the objection, the impact of many extra vans cars and lorries (huge articulated lorries deliver to supermarkets!) in this area. Look at the crossroads outside the Star Inn, can you really envision huge amounts of traffic trying to access the proposed site through that junction? A large supermarket would be useful for providing extra jobs doubtlessly, but geographically this is the wrong location. If another large supermarket is so desirable why not build it on the green field site between the Somerford bypass and the railway line? The farmer has been trying to sell it for industrial development for the past 20 years. There is good access from the bypass onto a dual carriageway and if needed, Network Rail could build a short spur from the railway for deliveries by rail rather than by road. Turtlebay
  • Score: 0

12:38pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Dorset Outsider says...

bored84 wrote:
Cuadrilla are frackers / oil and gas exploration - I'm starting to think Morrisons didn't look that bad after all!
Just to add to the mix, if they were on site, didn't the government recently promise huge tax breaks to local councils allowing tracking exploration?? Hidden agenda that may not benefit local people over a supermarket? Wow that gets the conspiracy nuts thinking.
[quote][p][bold]bored84[/bold] wrote: Cuadrilla are frackers / oil and gas exploration - I'm starting to think Morrisons didn't look that bad after all![/p][/quote]Just to add to the mix, if they were on site, didn't the government recently promise huge tax breaks to local councils allowing tracking exploration?? Hidden agenda that may not benefit local people over a supermarket? Wow that gets the conspiracy nuts thinking. Dorset Outsider
  • Score: -1

12:51pm Sat 25 Jan 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

So how can a rival scheme oppose another, sounds very dodgy to me!
So how can a rival scheme oppose another, sounds very dodgy to me! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Sat 25 Jan 14

oy@Bmth says...

THawkes wrote:
Oh well it looks like Cllr Bath and all the other objectors may get there wish that the site will be used for something else as it would seem a company called Cuadrilla were on site yesterday and again this morning when i passed, so it would seem there are definitely other parties interested!
At least if Caudrilla get in, the site is close to main roads so the protesters and the Police can get access.
[quote][p][bold]THawkes[/bold] wrote: Oh well it looks like Cllr Bath and all the other objectors may get there wish that the site will be used for something else as it would seem a company called Cuadrilla were on site yesterday and again this morning when i passed, so it would seem there are definitely other parties interested![/p][/quote]At least if Caudrilla get in, the site is close to main roads so the protesters and the Police can get access. oy@Bmth
  • Score: 4

2:42pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Dorset Outsider says...

oy@Bmth wrote:
THawkes wrote:
Oh well it looks like Cllr Bath and all the other objectors may get there wish that the site will be used for something else as it would seem a company called Cuadrilla were on site yesterday and again this morning when i passed, so it would seem there are definitely other parties interested!
At least if Caudrilla get in, the site is close to main roads so the protesters and the Police can get access.
Not according to the council who say it is unsuitable for a supermarket due to the roads. Oh an flooding, just what you want when drilling.
[quote][p][bold]oy@Bmth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THawkes[/bold] wrote: Oh well it looks like Cllr Bath and all the other objectors may get there wish that the site will be used for something else as it would seem a company called Cuadrilla were on site yesterday and again this morning when i passed, so it would seem there are definitely other parties interested![/p][/quote]At least if Caudrilla get in, the site is close to main roads so the protesters and the Police can get access.[/p][/quote]Not according to the council who say it is unsuitable for a supermarket due to the roads. Oh an flooding, just what you want when drilling. Dorset Outsider
  • Score: 6

3:26pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Dorset Outsider says...

Turtlebay wrote:
You are overlooking the main point to the objection, the impact of many extra vans cars and lorries (huge articulated lorries deliver to supermarkets!) in this area.

Look at the crossroads outside the Star Inn, can you really envision huge amounts of traffic trying to access the proposed site through that junction?

A large supermarket would be useful for providing extra jobs doubtlessly, but geographically this is the wrong location.

If another large supermarket is so desirable why not build it on the green field site between the Somerford bypass and the railway line? The farmer has been trying to sell it for industrial development for the past 20 years. There is good access from the bypass onto a dual carriageway and if needed, Network Rail could build a short spur from the railway for deliveries by rail rather than by road.
The star junction may be unsuitable, but the ruddy great roundabout 100yds away is not...
plus your idea of railway,access is great, safeway and Tesco have railway sidings in Inverness for their deliveries as it is more economical and efficient than the a9 road that runs through Scotland. However I doubt that would be of interest to anyone here as its far cheaper by road than to build sidings and run extra trains on that line. No doubt some excuse about the cost or re-enforcing the line embankments to cope with long heavy freight trains would be used too.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: You are overlooking the main point to the objection, the impact of many extra vans cars and lorries (huge articulated lorries deliver to supermarkets!) in this area. Look at the crossroads outside the Star Inn, can you really envision huge amounts of traffic trying to access the proposed site through that junction? A large supermarket would be useful for providing extra jobs doubtlessly, but geographically this is the wrong location. If another large supermarket is so desirable why not build it on the green field site between the Somerford bypass and the railway line? The farmer has been trying to sell it for industrial development for the past 20 years. There is good access from the bypass onto a dual carriageway and if needed, Network Rail could build a short spur from the railway for deliveries by rail rather than by road.[/p][/quote]The star junction may be unsuitable, but the ruddy great roundabout 100yds away is not... plus your idea of railway,access is great, safeway and Tesco have railway sidings in Inverness for their deliveries as it is more economical and efficient than the a9 road that runs through Scotland. However I doubt that would be of interest to anyone here as its far cheaper by road than to build sidings and run extra trains on that line. No doubt some excuse about the cost or re-enforcing the line embankments to cope with long heavy freight trains would be used too. Dorset Outsider
  • Score: -3

4:21pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Barbaloo says...

Far far better to put housing on the Beagle site, which is brownfield , than to build on the green belt.
I wouldn't like to see allotment holders deprived of their land at Roeshot.
Far far better to put housing on the Beagle site, which is brownfield , than to build on the green belt. I wouldn't like to see allotment holders deprived of their land at Roeshot. Barbaloo
  • Score: 7

5:25pm Sat 25 Jan 14

ekimnoslen says...

Asda have threatened and our councilors have capitulated. What next? A fact finding mission to one of Asda's stores in California?
In such matters the people of Christchurch should make the decision, not a bunch of amateur local councilors. Referendum please.
Asda have threatened and our councilors have capitulated. What next? A fact finding mission to one of Asda's stores in California? In such matters the people of Christchurch should make the decision, not a bunch of amateur local councilors. Referendum please. ekimnoslen
  • Score: 0

5:42pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Count Mehin says...

Cost and benefits please. Independent and up-to-date with a recommendation for best use - p.s. I am in favour of green staying green unless there is overwhelming necessity. Another choice for a place to shop? Puulleeeeze, we have zillions of places to shop.
Regards
Cost and benefits please. Independent and up-to-date with a recommendation for best use - p.s. I am in favour of green staying green unless there is overwhelming necessity. Another choice for a place to shop? Puulleeeeze, we have zillions of places to shop. Regards Count Mehin
  • Score: 11

6:00pm Sat 25 Jan 14

shoppingnoodles says...

Ultimately, councillors are not qualified in any way as town planners. Sure, they may be well meaning, but time after time we see good applications thrown out (e.g Druitt Hall) and poor ideas supported (the Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment, suggesting housing on the local flood plain.....duurrrrrrr
rrr). There also seems to be quite a loss of communication between residents and Christchurch Council, as they frequently seem to go against both the advice of their own Planning Officers and the opinions of the residents whom they represent.
Ultimately, councillors are not qualified in any way as town planners. Sure, they may be well meaning, but time after time we see good applications thrown out (e.g Druitt Hall) and poor ideas supported (the Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment, suggesting housing on the local flood plain.....duurrrrrrr rrr). There also seems to be quite a loss of communication between residents and Christchurch Council, as they frequently seem to go against both the advice of their own Planning Officers and the opinions of the residents whom they represent. shoppingnoodles
  • Score: 4

6:11pm Sat 25 Jan 14

bettybumbles says...

It's a terrible place for a supermarket. Pulling out on to Stony Lane roundabout from Stony Lane near B&Q is already a nightmare if you're going anywhere but Christchurch town centre, and Purewell and Bridge Street already suffer with the amount of traffic. We struggled enough when Bridge Street was closed for a few weeks, imagine the impact this would have!

We already have plenty of supermarkets, we don't need another. We need a butcher, a baker and a grocers. Not more big corporations ruinging our historic town centre with ghastly huge buildings.
It's a terrible place for a supermarket. Pulling out on to Stony Lane roundabout from Stony Lane near B&Q is already a nightmare if you're going anywhere but Christchurch town centre, and Purewell and Bridge Street already suffer with the amount of traffic. We struggled enough when Bridge Street was closed for a few weeks, imagine the impact this would have! We already have plenty of supermarkets, we don't need another. We need a butcher, a baker and a grocers. Not more big corporations ruinging our historic town centre with ghastly huge buildings. bettybumbles
  • Score: 12

8:09pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Itsnot me says...

I wonder which councillor has links to the other sites...
I wonder which councillor has links to the other sites... Itsnot me
  • Score: -1

8:09pm Sat 25 Jan 14

DUCKFEEDER says...

so where can we put the travellers transit site
so where can we put the travellers transit site DUCKFEEDER
  • Score: -1

8:11pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Itsnot me says...

St catherines hill parade of shops has a great butchers and bakery
come on over..
St catherines hill parade of shops has a great butchers and bakery come on over.. Itsnot me
  • Score: 12

8:21pm Sat 25 Jan 14

billy bumble says...

Itsnot me wrote:
St catherines hill parade of shops has a great butchers and bakery
come on over..
The baker has very restricted trading hours

But the South African shop there is the best in the UK imo
[quote][p][bold]Itsnot me[/bold] wrote: St catherines hill parade of shops has a great butchers and bakery come on over..[/p][/quote]The baker has very restricted trading hours But the South African shop there is the best in the UK imo billy bumble
  • Score: 10

9:58pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Yankee1 says...

jazzy jenkins wrote:
It wouldn't be because the newly proposed Asda threatened to pull out would it ??
One million quid ...... you cannot look gift horses in the eye and offend them.
[quote][p][bold]jazzy jenkins[/bold] wrote: It wouldn't be because the newly proposed Asda threatened to pull out would it ??[/p][/quote]One million quid ...... you cannot look gift horses in the eye and offend them. Yankee1
  • Score: 7

9:23am Sun 26 Jan 14

spooki says...

twynham wrote:
Maybe trying to drain the flood water!
I would have thought the land there would be a tad squishy for any more big buildings?
[quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: Maybe trying to drain the flood water![/p][/quote]I would have thought the land there would be a tad squishy for any more big buildings? spooki
  • Score: 9

10:41am Sun 26 Jan 14

bobsworthforever says...

bettybumbles wrote:
It's a terrible place for a supermarket. Pulling out on to Stony Lane roundabout from Stony Lane near B&Q is already a nightmare if you're going anywhere but Christchurch town centre, and Purewell and Bridge Street already suffer with the amount of traffic. We struggled enough when Bridge Street was closed for a few weeks, imagine the impact this would have!

We already have plenty of supermarkets, we don't need another. We need a butcher, a baker and a grocers. Not more big corporations ruinging our historic town centre with ghastly huge buildings.
No no no weve already got some independent shops in Highcliffe too dear not very good service lets have a Morrisons and a bypass to help wtih overall traffic congestion as for Fracking got to come soon but think someones having a laugh
[quote][p][bold]bettybumbles[/bold] wrote: It's a terrible place for a supermarket. Pulling out on to Stony Lane roundabout from Stony Lane near B&Q is already a nightmare if you're going anywhere but Christchurch town centre, and Purewell and Bridge Street already suffer with the amount of traffic. We struggled enough when Bridge Street was closed for a few weeks, imagine the impact this would have! We already have plenty of supermarkets, we don't need another. We need a butcher, a baker and a grocers. Not more big corporations ruinging our historic town centre with ghastly huge buildings.[/p][/quote]No no no weve already got some independent shops in Highcliffe too dear not very good service lets have a Morrisons and a bypass to help wtih overall traffic congestion as for Fracking got to come soon but think someones having a laugh bobsworthforever
  • Score: -8

7:06pm Sun 26 Jan 14

pauldunn1 says...

It is about time that those serving as councillors realised that they are elected to represent the people and not to follow their own agenda.

Who on the council authorised a leaflet to be distributed advising Christchurch residents to contact their councillors with objections against the Morrisons application. We did not receive such a leaflet in respect of the Asda application.

Will we receive a similar leaflet in respect of any application in connection with Fracking? Something here does not seem right at all.

Clearly we need a referendum on this matter as the councillors have gone against the recommendations of the council planning officers and are not working in the best interests of the people of Christchurch.

I wonder who would be particularly bothered if Asda pulled out of the Barrack Road development,- their tactics over the Morrisons application are absolutely disgraceful.
It is about time that those serving as councillors realised that they are elected to represent the people and not to follow their own agenda. Who on the council authorised a leaflet to be distributed advising Christchurch residents to contact their councillors with objections against the Morrisons application. We did not receive such a leaflet in respect of the Asda application. Will we receive a similar leaflet in respect of any application in connection with Fracking? Something here does not seem right at all. Clearly we need a referendum on this matter as the councillors have gone against the recommendations of the council planning officers and are not working in the best interests of the people of Christchurch. I wonder who would be particularly bothered if Asda pulled out of the Barrack Road development,- their tactics over the Morrisons application are absolutely disgraceful. pauldunn1
  • Score: -5

12:14am Mon 27 Jan 14

Bob49 says...

ekimnoslen wrote:
Asda have threatened and our councilors have capitulated. What next? A fact finding mission to one of Asda's stores in California?
In such matters the people of Christchurch should make the decision, not a bunch of amateur local councilors. Referendum please.
They have made the decision, by voting in these councillors to make decisions on their behalf
[quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote: Asda have threatened and our councilors have capitulated. What next? A fact finding mission to one of Asda's stores in California? In such matters the people of Christchurch should make the decision, not a bunch of amateur local councilors. Referendum please.[/p][/quote]They have made the decision, by voting in these councillors to make decisions on their behalf Bob49
  • Score: 2

3:13pm Mon 27 Jan 14

sparrow0762 says...

IS Asda afraid of completion I think so I would love to see some healthy rivalry .but to my thinking asda is just being greedy
IS Asda afraid of completion I think so I would love to see some healthy rivalry .but to my thinking asda is just being greedy sparrow0762
  • Score: -4

3:22pm Mon 27 Jan 14

billy bumble says...

I am certainly no proponent of Walmart/ASDA but am I right in saying this ?-

- that at the time that ASDA was "granted" the site there were 2 or 3 proposals for other supermarket sites but that only 1 would be granted

My memory tells me that this is so and if I am correct then I would not expect ASDA to react in any way other than the one they have
I am certainly no proponent of Walmart/ASDA but am I right in saying this ?- - that at the time that ASDA was "granted" the site there were 2 or 3 proposals for other supermarket sites but that only 1 would be granted My memory tells me that this is so and if I am correct then I would not expect ASDA to react in any way other than the one they have billy bumble
  • Score: 3

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