Calls for further safety talks on A31 after biker dies and another left seriously injured

Bournemouth Echo: Calls for further safety talks on A31 after biker dies and another left seriously injured in crash with horse Calls for further safety talks on A31 after biker dies and another left seriously injured in crash with horse

A COUNCILLOR has vented his frustration at the lack of action over the A31 after his campaign to get the speed limit reduced, following last night's fatal crash.

A motorcyclist died after a collision with a horse on the A31 just past Picket Post. Another suffered serious injuries. Read more here.

Ringwood councillor Michael Thierry met with transport minister Stephen Hammond in May last year.

At the time, the minister said he was “minded” to give the go-ahead to a trial of a 50mph speed limit.

But in August, hopes were dashed as Mr Hammond said the 70mph limit would stay.

Speaking to the Daily Echo, Cllr Thierry said: “I've campaigned for many years for safety improvements on the A31, whether it's been a minor bump or a fatality.

“I will continue to take that stance.

“I think the evidence is overwhelming that the A31 is a difficult road. Speed is an element there and I know that many people disagree with me.

“I've driven the A31 at 50mph and feel more comfortable doing that.

“People come off the end of the motorway and still have a motorway attitude.

“It does need some safety improvement and I see nothing in the pipeline and have heard nothing.

“It's as if the meeting never took place and since then there have been incidents.

“I'm sure that there will be enquiries into last night's incident but the A31 does need looking at seriously from Cadnam right the way along, it's just not a road that's conducive to that kind of speed.

“One feels very sorry for the families involved in this incident and when I heard about it I just think of the effort that's been made to try to get something done.

“Why does it take a fatality to highlight this issue?”

South Central Ambulance Service said it sent one Rapid Response Vehicle, two ambulance crews, a Hazardous Area Response Team and three ambulance officers to the scene.

An officer from South Western Ambulance Service also attended.

One patient was taken to the Royal Bournemouth Hospital and one to Southampton General Hospital.

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9:02am Thu 23 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

Cllr Thierry said:
“I've driven the A31 at 50mph and feel more comfortable doing that"



Just because you are comfortable and probably less confident in your abilities does not mean everybody else will be.

Even if the biker last night was doing 50mph ( which he/she could have been) it would have been highly likely to still have had tragic consequences due to the nature of the accident.
Another sad and tragic statistic to add to the list. RIP.
Cllr Thierry said: “I've driven the A31 at 50mph and feel more comfortable doing that" Just because you are comfortable and probably less confident in your abilities does not mean everybody else will be. Even if the biker last night was doing 50mph ( which he/she could have been) it would have been highly likely to still have had tragic consequences due to the nature of the accident. Another sad and tragic statistic to add to the list. RIP. BIGTONE

9:03am Thu 23 Jan 14

hooplaa says...

Echo why have you used this to create another thing about the A31 - A horse ran into the road and caused an accident! If the horse wasn't there then there would have been no accident! And even if the limit was 50mph the outcome could well have been the same! Motorcycle vs Horse = Bad outcome
Echo why have you used this to create another thing about the A31 - A horse ran into the road and caused an accident! If the horse wasn't there then there would have been no accident! And even if the limit was 50mph the outcome could well have been the same! Motorcycle vs Horse = Bad outcome hooplaa

9:14am Thu 23 Jan 14

Jim_Springbourne says...

I understand the accident happened before the Burley turn-off. I also understand that the proposed 50 limit would have been from the Burley turn through to Ashley Heath.
Therefore, is the proposed 50mph limit actually relevant to this accident?
I understand the accident happened before the Burley turn-off. I also understand that the proposed 50 limit would have been from the Burley turn through to Ashley Heath. Therefore, is the proposed 50mph limit actually relevant to this accident? Jim_Springbourne

9:14am Thu 23 Jan 14

suzigirl says...

RIP from a fellow biker.............
RIP from a fellow biker............. suzigirl

9:17am Thu 23 Jan 14

retry69 says...

I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper retry69

9:19am Thu 23 Jan 14

Baysider says...

Is it really appropriate for this councillor to be using a fatality that does not in any way appear to be relevant to prop up his campaign? From what little we know the traffic was stationary at the time therefore whether 70, 50 or 30 it would have made no difference.

Whether his views where solicited by the Echo or not he should have said nothing but offering his sympathy to the deceased family and NOT used the persons death to his own ends.
Is it really appropriate for this councillor to be using a fatality that does not in any way appear to be relevant to prop up his campaign? From what little we know the traffic was stationary at the time therefore whether 70, 50 or 30 it would have made no difference. Whether his views where solicited by the Echo or not he should have said nothing but offering his sympathy to the deceased family and NOT used the persons death to his own ends. Baysider

9:30am Thu 23 Jan 14

Hessenford says...

retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on. Hessenford

9:33am Thu 23 Jan 14

retry69 says...

Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :) retry69

9:35am Thu 23 Jan 14

Old Colonial says...

Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Agreed. Shoddy 'journalism' and publicity seeking councillor.

Sympathies to grieving relatives and to the other biker for a good recovery.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Shoddy 'journalism' and publicity seeking councillor. Sympathies to grieving relatives and to the other biker for a good recovery. Old Colonial

9:40am Thu 23 Jan 14

mark.s says...

The wider traffic flow was stationary at the time of the accident... a change of limit would have made no difference.

The road needs IMPROVING and investing in, not a stop-gap measure that addresses none of the problems with the road.
The wider traffic flow was stationary at the time of the accident... a change of limit would have made no difference. The road needs IMPROVING and investing in, not a stop-gap measure that addresses none of the problems with the road. mark.s

9:46am Thu 23 Jan 14

Hessenford says...

retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)
Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)[/p][/quote]Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling. Hessenford

9:56am Thu 23 Jan 14

billy bumble says...

Mr Thierry

I am disgusted - you are scum sir!
Mr Thierry I am disgusted - you are scum sir! billy bumble

10:00am Thu 23 Jan 14

Bonkeydollocks says...

There really needs to be improvement on the A31 though. Westbound the fast, safe 3-lane (+ shoulder) M27 finishes at Cadnam into a 2-lane 1950's road up a switchback hill, then round a sharp RH blind bend with a Little Chef and petrol station shortly afterwards. Coupled with that there is a RH turn as well so traffic at 70MPH in the outside lane slows to turn across 70MPH eastbound traffic. Such a change in visibility and road conditions is crazy with todays traffic.

Accepted, this is some 7 miles away from the tragedy of yesterday but it says so much about the whole approach to this road which really should have been upgraded decades ago to motorway standard.

Time for a rethink on this - we should even consider the whole issue of upgrading the A31 to M27 standard through the forest and re-bypassing Ringwood, St Leonards, Ferndown and Wimborne properly now - out to Bere Regis. The A31 Cadnam to Bere Regis currently is vastly overloaded and so dangerous for the volume of traffic now carried.
There really needs to be improvement on the A31 though. Westbound the fast, safe 3-lane (+ shoulder) M27 finishes at Cadnam into a 2-lane 1950's road up a switchback hill, then round a sharp RH blind bend with a Little Chef and petrol station shortly afterwards. Coupled with that there is a RH turn as well so traffic at 70MPH in the outside lane slows to turn across 70MPH eastbound traffic. Such a change in visibility and road conditions is crazy with todays traffic. Accepted, this is some 7 miles away from the tragedy of yesterday but it says so much about the whole approach to this road which really should have been upgraded decades ago to motorway standard. Time for a rethink on this - we should even consider the whole issue of upgrading the A31 to M27 standard through the forest and re-bypassing Ringwood, St Leonards, Ferndown and Wimborne properly now - out to Bere Regis. The A31 Cadnam to Bere Regis currently is vastly overloaded and so dangerous for the volume of traffic now carried. Bonkeydollocks

10:02am Thu 23 Jan 14

thevoiceofreason1 says...

retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
couldn't agree more...another councillor trying to get himself some publicity.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]couldn't agree more...another councillor trying to get himself some publicity. thevoiceofreason1

10:05am Thu 23 Jan 14

retry69 says...

Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)
Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.
Understood :) I think there will be mass agreement that this particular councillor says no more at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)[/p][/quote]Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.[/p][/quote]Understood :) I think there will be mass agreement that this particular councillor says no more at the moment. retry69

10:07am Thu 23 Jan 14

thevoiceofreason1 says...

its about time the horse owners were made to take full responsibility for there animals...to many times have they caused incidents and they are more worried about the animal than the consequences to other people!
its about time the horse owners were made to take full responsibility for there animals...to many times have they caused incidents and they are more worried about the animal than the consequences to other people! thevoiceofreason1

10:08am Thu 23 Jan 14

roro08 says...

This is really, really inappropriate and irrelevant. Bournemouth Echo jumping on what sounds like a very unfortunate, not speed related, road death just for sensationalist purposes to fire up a needless conversation. Terrible journalism. If anyone knows where to formally complain please let us know.
This is really, really inappropriate and irrelevant. Bournemouth Echo jumping on what sounds like a very unfortunate, not speed related, road death just for sensationalist purposes to fire up a needless conversation. Terrible journalism. If anyone knows where to formally complain please let us know. roro08

10:11am Thu 23 Jan 14

Hessenford says...

retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)
Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.
Understood :) I think there will be mass agreement that this particular councillor says no more at the moment.
Totally agree, he should apologise for his comments and secondly shut the hell up.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)[/p][/quote]Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.[/p][/quote]Understood :) I think there will be mass agreement that this particular councillor says no more at the moment.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, he should apologise for his comments and secondly shut the hell up. Hessenford

10:17am Thu 23 Jan 14

TheDistrict says...

Obviously the Councillor has not read the above, and other stories fully. In this case the traffic had already stopped for the loose horse incident. The accident with the motorcyclists, I beleive, happened after this. Therefore, at that time the speed limit really made no difference. If one hits a loose horse at 70 or 50mph, I think the resulting outcome would be the same, or close.
Obviously the Councillor has not read the above, and other stories fully. In this case the traffic had already stopped for the loose horse incident. The accident with the motorcyclists, I beleive, happened after this. Therefore, at that time the speed limit really made no difference. If one hits a loose horse at 70 or 50mph, I think the resulting outcome would be the same, or close. TheDistrict

10:18am Thu 23 Jan 14

NylodScraggs says...

As a fellow biker, my sympathies go out to the families. Unlike councillor Thierry, I feel more than confident of riding that road at 70mph when the conditions permit.

That said, if the incident happened at 6:15pm, surely there would still be a lot of commuter traffic on that road. Were the bikes even doing 70mph? Let's wait until we here the full story before the 'reduce the speed limit' campaigners start.
As a fellow biker, my sympathies go out to the families. Unlike councillor Thierry, I feel more than confident of riding that road at 70mph when the conditions permit. That said, if the incident happened at 6:15pm, surely there would still be a lot of commuter traffic on that road. Were the bikes even doing 70mph? Let's wait until we here the full story before the 'reduce the speed limit' campaigners start. NylodScraggs

10:24am Thu 23 Jan 14

BarrHumbug says...

Why is it we can report a comment as being inappropriate to the Echo but we can't report a news article?
Why is it we can report a comment as being inappropriate to the Echo but we can't report a news article? BarrHumbug

10:27am Thu 23 Jan 14

Bonkeydollocks says...

roro08 wrote:
This is really, really inappropriate and irrelevant. Bournemouth Echo jumping on what sounds like a very unfortunate, not speed related, road death just for sensationalist purposes to fire up a needless conversation. Terrible journalism. If anyone knows where to formally complain please let us know.
You know sometimes it takes a tragedy to effect change - sadly that's the way it is in life. If you look at most safety improvements generally they were as a result of something tragic happening. If you look at how things have changed in H&S since the tragedies of decades ago like Aberfan, Paris DC10 plane crash, Kings Cross fire, Clapham & Paddington train crashes, Piper Alpha oil rig, Herald of Free Enterprise and Marchioness boat disaterrs.

Yet with all the above disasters, people had been saying for YEARS that these were accidents waiting to happen but no one listened, no one took action. As I said, tragic accidents trigger change so whilst Councillor Thierry's timing may be a little premature, if the constant calls for safety improvements after each tragedy finally gets something done then something positive will come out of this sad loss.

The road is truly terrible, particularly the westbound sections at Cadnam to Stony Cross and Burley to St Leonards. Time for action, really is!
[quote][p][bold]roro08[/bold] wrote: This is really, really inappropriate and irrelevant. Bournemouth Echo jumping on what sounds like a very unfortunate, not speed related, road death just for sensationalist purposes to fire up a needless conversation. Terrible journalism. If anyone knows where to formally complain please let us know.[/p][/quote]You know sometimes it takes a tragedy to effect change - sadly that's the way it is in life. If you look at most safety improvements generally they were as a result of something tragic happening. If you look at how things have changed in H&S since the tragedies of decades ago like Aberfan, Paris DC10 plane crash, Kings Cross fire, Clapham & Paddington train crashes, Piper Alpha oil rig, Herald of Free Enterprise and Marchioness boat disaterrs. Yet with all the above disasters, people had been saying for YEARS that these were accidents waiting to happen but no one listened, no one took action. As I said, tragic accidents trigger change so whilst Councillor Thierry's timing may be a little premature, if the constant calls for safety improvements after each tragedy finally gets something done then something positive will come out of this sad loss. The road is truly terrible, particularly the westbound sections at Cadnam to Stony Cross and Burley to St Leonards. Time for action, really is! Bonkeydollocks

10:46am Thu 23 Jan 14

FJ2012 says...

"its about time the horse owners were made to take full responsibility for there animals...to many times have they caused incidents and they are more worried about the animal than the consequences to other people!"

You call yourself the voice of reason but you clearly have no idea what it's like to look after and care for a horse! You may also like to think about the fact that as much as we spend time & a great deal of money on fencing and trying to make their boundaries secure, they do have a mind of their own and one thing can spark the 'flight' mechanism in their brain causing them to run away from what scared them.
We do not know why this horse was loose but I can tell you something, the owner will be devastated at the injuries caused to both motorcyclists and the effect it will have on their relatives but of course they would be more concerned about 'their horse', they may have spent many many years nurturing it!!
As a motorcyclist and horse owner, my heart goes out to all those affected by this tragic accident.
"its about time the horse owners were made to take full responsibility for there animals...to many times have they caused incidents and they are more worried about the animal than the consequences to other people!" You call yourself the voice of reason but you clearly have no idea what it's like to look after and care for a horse! You may also like to think about the fact that as much as we spend time & a great deal of money on fencing and trying to make their boundaries secure, they do have a mind of their own and one thing can spark the 'flight' mechanism in their brain causing them to run away from what scared them. We do not know why this horse was loose but I can tell you something, the owner will be devastated at the injuries caused to both motorcyclists and the effect it will have on their relatives but of course they would be more concerned about 'their horse', they may have spent many many years nurturing it!! As a motorcyclist and horse owner, my heart goes out to all those affected by this tragic accident. FJ2012

10:47am Thu 23 Jan 14

suzigirl says...

Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)
Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.
Totally agree with you!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)[/p][/quote]Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you! suzigirl

11:18am Thu 23 Jan 14

speedy231278 says...

Speed limits mean nothing when you hit a solid object, especially on a bike. As someone who has collided with a small deer on a bike, I can tell you the damage done is significant even at low speed. I was 'lucky' because I spotted two deer jump out of a hedgerow and all but block the road infront of me, and managed to come to almost a complete stop. Unfortunately there was no way of being certain to avoid them and I just clipped one of them at little more than walking pace as it changed direction right infront of me. They both ran off, and I stayed on the bike. However, the damage, fortunately only cosmetic, was extensive. At 50 mph the consequences would have been very serious for all parties concerned.

Swingeing speed limits won't prevent collisions with animals. Fences being maintained properly might do. Ultimately, this incident comes down to the assumed issue with a fence that let the horse onto the road, and the inability of the Police to make sure the road was safe before letting traffic flow recommence.

If this has been a car hitting said horse, people would be apoplectic about bad fences, bad Policing and the like. As it is, it's just perceived as a couple of reckless bikers having a serious incident because they weren't driving a car.
Speed limits mean nothing when you hit a solid object, especially on a bike. As someone who has collided with a small deer on a bike, I can tell you the damage done is significant even at low speed. I was 'lucky' because I spotted two deer jump out of a hedgerow and all but block the road infront of me, and managed to come to almost a complete stop. Unfortunately there was no way of being certain to avoid them and I just clipped one of them at little more than walking pace as it changed direction right infront of me. They both ran off, and I stayed on the bike. However, the damage, fortunately only cosmetic, was extensive. At 50 mph the consequences would have been very serious for all parties concerned. Swingeing speed limits won't prevent collisions with animals. Fences being maintained properly might do. Ultimately, this incident comes down to the assumed issue with a fence that let the horse onto the road, and the inability of the Police to make sure the road was safe before letting traffic flow recommence. If this has been a car hitting said horse, people would be apoplectic about bad fences, bad Policing and the like. As it is, it's just perceived as a couple of reckless bikers having a serious incident because they weren't driving a car. speedy231278

11:29am Thu 23 Jan 14

carol_uk says...

Cllr Thierry you need to retire toy p - - - k
speed,wtf , what was a horse doing on the a31, i heard there was reports of a horse loose hr before it happen, had the horse not been there are you still saying there would of been an accident
Cllr Thierry you need to retire toy p - - - k speed,wtf , what was a horse doing on the a31, i heard there was reports of a horse loose hr before it happen, had the horse not been there are you still saying there would of been an accident carol_uk

11:55am Thu 23 Jan 14

Bonkeydollocks says...

carol_uk wrote:
Cllr Thierry you need to retire toy p - - - k
speed,wtf , what was a horse doing on the a31, i heard there was reports of a horse loose hr before it happen, had the horse not been there are you still saying there would of been an accident
Broken fence maybe? The most logical explanation don't you think geiven there is a 9 mile section of road running through the heart of the forest?
[quote][p][bold]carol_uk[/bold] wrote: Cllr Thierry you need to retire toy p - - - k speed,wtf , what was a horse doing on the a31, i heard there was reports of a horse loose hr before it happen, had the horse not been there are you still saying there would of been an accident[/p][/quote]Broken fence maybe? The most logical explanation don't you think geiven there is a 9 mile section of road running through the heart of the forest? Bonkeydollocks

11:58am Thu 23 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Totally agreed, whilst the Echo is at least entitled to report these sort of incidents that is ALL they should do. The Councillor's ignorant intervention and the Echo's promotion of it at such an early stage is absolutely disgraceful.

It appears, another tragic death = another cheap and nasty political opportunity. Quite appalling in my view.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Totally agreed, whilst the Echo is at least entitled to report these sort of incidents that is ALL they should do. The Councillor's ignorant intervention and the Echo's promotion of it at such an early stage is absolutely disgraceful. It appears, another tragic death = another cheap and nasty political opportunity. Quite appalling in my view. muscliffman

12:01pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Bonkeydollocks says...

muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Totally agreed, whilst the Echo is at least entitled to report these sort of incidents that is ALL they should do. The Councillor's ignorant intervention and the Echo's promotion of it at such an early stage is absolutely disgraceful.

It appears, another tragic death = another cheap and nasty political opportunity. Quite appalling in my view.
Might also mean another tragic death = yet more weight behind finally, finally getting improvements to the A31 in a number of dangerous areas. Thought of that?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Totally agreed, whilst the Echo is at least entitled to report these sort of incidents that is ALL they should do. The Councillor's ignorant intervention and the Echo's promotion of it at such an early stage is absolutely disgraceful. It appears, another tragic death = another cheap and nasty political opportunity. Quite appalling in my view.[/p][/quote]Might also mean another tragic death = yet more weight behind finally, finally getting improvements to the A31 in a number of dangerous areas. Thought of that? Bonkeydollocks

12:10pm Thu 23 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)
Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.
Well said 'Hessenford' - particularly the last point.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)[/p][/quote]Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.[/p][/quote]Well said 'Hessenford' - particularly the last point. muscliffman

12:15pm Thu 23 Jan 14

retry69 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)
Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.
Well said 'Hessenford' - particularly the last point.
I certainly do not want to draw attention away from the tragedy but I do not often have you both in the same net, as it were.You two have been my strongest critics for months but we now seem to be finding some common ground,should I feel a little uneasy ? Calm before the storm ? :)
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)[/p][/quote]Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.[/p][/quote]Well said 'Hessenford' - particularly the last point.[/p][/quote]I certainly do not want to draw attention away from the tragedy but I do not often have you both in the same net, as it were.You two have been my strongest critics for months but we now seem to be finding some common ground,should I feel a little uneasy ? Calm before the storm ? :) retry69

12:31pm Thu 23 Jan 14

dartguru says...

Yay, bandwagon jumping Councillor Michael Thierry strikes again.

The traffic was already backed up when the accident happened because the horse had already caused disruption, so quite what difference a speed limit change would have had is beyond me.

My suggestion would be to butt out until the facts are known and let some still believe your are intelligent, rather than voice an opinion and prove yourself an idiot of the first order.
Yay, bandwagon jumping Councillor Michael Thierry strikes again. The traffic was already backed up when the accident happened because the horse had already caused disruption, so quite what difference a speed limit change would have had is beyond me. My suggestion would be to butt out until the facts are known and let some still believe your are intelligent, rather than voice an opinion and prove yourself an idiot of the first order. dartguru

1:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Bonkeydollocks says...

dartguru wrote:
Yay, bandwagon jumping Councillor Michael Thierry strikes again.

The traffic was already backed up when the accident happened because the horse had already caused disruption, so quite what difference a speed limit change would have had is beyond me.

My suggestion would be to butt out until the facts are known and let some still believe your are intelligent, rather than voice an opinion and prove yourself an idiot of the first order.
You should all butt out and leave Councillor Thierry alone. He campaigns tirelessly for safety improvements to the A31 generally. "Generally" is the key word - as I said earlier, history has clearly shown it is ONLY when a tragedy occurs that anyone listens.

Of course a speed limit change would not have prevented this particular tragedy. But generally (there is that word again), in the absence of a major new road being buit, a speed limit reduction on some stretches of the A31 would be a big safety improvement. Why is this so difficult for some to see - that sadly the time to call for changes and be listened to is directly after a tragedy?
[quote][p][bold]dartguru[/bold] wrote: Yay, bandwagon jumping Councillor Michael Thierry strikes again. The traffic was already backed up when the accident happened because the horse had already caused disruption, so quite what difference a speed limit change would have had is beyond me. My suggestion would be to butt out until the facts are known and let some still believe your are intelligent, rather than voice an opinion and prove yourself an idiot of the first order.[/p][/quote]You should all butt out and leave Councillor Thierry alone. He campaigns tirelessly for safety improvements to the A31 generally. "Generally" is the key word - as I said earlier, history has clearly shown it is ONLY when a tragedy occurs that anyone listens. Of course a speed limit change would not have prevented this particular tragedy. But generally (there is that word again), in the absence of a major new road being buit, a speed limit reduction on some stretches of the A31 would be a big safety improvement. Why is this so difficult for some to see - that sadly the time to call for changes and be listened to is directly after a tragedy? Bonkeydollocks

1:05pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Hessenford says...

retry69 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)
Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.
Well said 'Hessenford' - particularly the last point.
I certainly do not want to draw attention away from the tragedy but I do not often have you both in the same net, as it were.You two have been my strongest critics for months but we now seem to be finding some common ground,should I feel a little uneasy ? Calm before the storm ? :)
Lets just say that I suspect things do and have got a little out of hand of late, stories such as the one above should in my view have the comments section closed until feelings have subsided a little as most go off the subject entirely and start arguing about speed limits etc such as the dippy Councillor named here.
Should you feel a little uneasy, not in the least, speed limits, cyclists etc, all of us have different views but it turns into a slanging match most of the time and quite frankly I have had enough of it..
In future I will make only one comment on any particular story and then leave the thread completely so others can insult and argue amongst themselves.
As for the story above, my thoughts are with the motorcyclists family at this extremely sad time
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[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)[/p][/quote]Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.[/p][/quote]Well said 'Hessenford' - particularly the last point.[/p][/quote]I certainly do not want to draw attention away from the tragedy but I do not often have you both in the same net, as it were.You two have been my strongest critics for months but we now seem to be finding some common ground,should I feel a little uneasy ? Calm before the storm ? :)[/p][/quote]Lets just say that I suspect things do and have got a little out of hand of late, stories such as the one above should in my view have the comments section closed until feelings have subsided a little as most go off the subject entirely and start arguing about speed limits etc such as the dippy Councillor named here. Should you feel a little uneasy, not in the least, speed limits, cyclists etc, all of us have different views but it turns into a slanging match most of the time and quite frankly I have had enough of it.. In future I will make only one comment on any particular story and then leave the thread completely so others can insult and argue amongst themselves. As for the story above, my thoughts are with the motorcyclists family at this extremely sad time t Hessenford

1:10pm Thu 23 Jan 14

retry69 says...

Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)
Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.
Well said 'Hessenford' - particularly the last point.
I certainly do not want to draw attention away from the tragedy but I do not often have you both in the same net, as it were.You two have been my strongest critics for months but we now seem to be finding some common ground,should I feel a little uneasy ? Calm before the storm ? :)
Lets just say that I suspect things do and have got a little out of hand of late, stories such as the one above should in my view have the comments section closed until feelings have subsided a little as most go off the subject entirely and start arguing about speed limits etc such as the dippy Councillor named here.
Should you feel a little uneasy, not in the least, speed limits, cyclists etc, all of us have different views but it turns into a slanging match most of the time and quite frankly I have had enough of it..
In future I will make only one comment on any particular story and then leave the thread completely so others can insult and argue amongst themselves.
As for the story above, my thoughts are with the motorcyclists family at this extremely sad time
t
Cant argue with that comment :)
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.[/p][/quote]Actually I was a little concerned about you as you haven't been posting so much as you usually do,i trust all is well :)[/p][/quote]Shortages in the workplace so opportunities to earn a little more and fed up with old controversial stories being resurrected in the Echo which cause unrest and arguments because people cant respect the views of others without resulting to insults and name calling.[/p][/quote]Well said 'Hessenford' - particularly the last point.[/p][/quote]I certainly do not want to draw attention away from the tragedy but I do not often have you both in the same net, as it were.You two have been my strongest critics for months but we now seem to be finding some common ground,should I feel a little uneasy ? Calm before the storm ? :)[/p][/quote]Lets just say that I suspect things do and have got a little out of hand of late, stories such as the one above should in my view have the comments section closed until feelings have subsided a little as most go off the subject entirely and start arguing about speed limits etc such as the dippy Councillor named here. Should you feel a little uneasy, not in the least, speed limits, cyclists etc, all of us have different views but it turns into a slanging match most of the time and quite frankly I have had enough of it.. In future I will make only one comment on any particular story and then leave the thread completely so others can insult and argue amongst themselves. As for the story above, my thoughts are with the motorcyclists family at this extremely sad time t[/p][/quote]Cant argue with that comment :) retry69

1:14pm Thu 23 Jan 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Extremely unhelpful comments from this Cllr. Once the police have conducted their investigation and have referred to speed being the cause then fine, make those comments but when it is less than 24 hours since the incidetn occurred.....KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!
Extremely unhelpful comments from this Cllr. Once the police have conducted their investigation and have referred to speed being the cause then fine, make those comments but when it is less than 24 hours since the incidetn occurred.....KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!! bobthedestroyer

1:31pm Thu 23 Jan 14

thevoiceofreason1 says...

Bonkeydollocks wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper
Totally agreed, whilst the Echo is at least entitled to report these sort of incidents that is ALL they should do. The Councillor's ignorant intervention and the Echo's promotion of it at such an early stage is absolutely disgraceful.

It appears, another tragic death = another cheap and nasty political opportunity. Quite appalling in my view.
Might also mean another tragic death = yet more weight behind finally, finally getting improvements to the A31 in a number of dangerous areas. Thought of that?
the only improvement we will get is a lower speed limit as this is what the police are obsessed with in the case of accidents,don't we all know it is the only cause of accidents!
[quote][p][bold]Bonkeydollocks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: I think that councillor should shut the feck up at the moment until all details are known,likewise this paper[/p][/quote]Totally agreed, whilst the Echo is at least entitled to report these sort of incidents that is ALL they should do. The Councillor's ignorant intervention and the Echo's promotion of it at such an early stage is absolutely disgraceful. It appears, another tragic death = another cheap and nasty political opportunity. Quite appalling in my view.[/p][/quote]Might also mean another tragic death = yet more weight behind finally, finally getting improvements to the A31 in a number of dangerous areas. Thought of that?[/p][/quote]the only improvement we will get is a lower speed limit as this is what the police are obsessed with in the case of accidents,don't we all know it is the only cause of accidents! thevoiceofreason1

1:35pm Thu 23 Jan 14

j2209m says...

Does anyone else notice that the horse was apparenty reported at 5.30pm and traffic stationary. These bikes weaved past the stationary traffic, and must have then collided? Speed was an issue but of the irresponsible bikes who sneak inbetween stationary traffic. Who think they have the right to overtake, and drive riding the white line.
Does anyone else notice that the horse was apparenty reported at 5.30pm and traffic stationary. These bikes weaved past the stationary traffic, and must have then collided? Speed was an issue but of the irresponsible bikes who sneak inbetween stationary traffic. Who think they have the right to overtake, and drive riding the white line. j2209m

2:06pm Thu 23 Jan 14

dorsetspeed says...

Cllr Thierry, you are a complete idiot and your interfering with competent road safety work is dangerous. “I think the evidence is overwhelming that the A31 is a difficult road." We know you think this, the reason you think it is that you won't listen to the facts. “I've driven the A31 at 50mph and feel more comfortable doing that" Then you should sell your car before you cause an accident.
Cllr Thierry, you are a complete idiot and your interfering with competent road safety work is dangerous. “I think the evidence is overwhelming that the A31 is a difficult road." We know you think this, the reason you think it is that you won't listen to the facts. “I've driven the A31 at 50mph and feel more comfortable doing that" Then you should sell your car before you cause an accident. dorsetspeed

2:11pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Bonkeydollocks says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
Cllr Thierry, you are a complete idiot and your interfering with competent road safety work is dangerous. “I think the evidence is overwhelming that the A31 is a difficult road." We know you think this, the reason you think it is that you won't listen to the facts. “I've driven the A31 at 50mph and feel more comfortable doing that" Then you should sell your car before you cause an accident.
Truly pathetic comment mate. Really
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Cllr Thierry, you are a complete idiot and your interfering with competent road safety work is dangerous. “I think the evidence is overwhelming that the A31 is a difficult road." We know you think this, the reason you think it is that you won't listen to the facts. “I've driven the A31 at 50mph and feel more comfortable doing that" Then you should sell your car before you cause an accident.[/p][/quote]Truly pathetic comment mate. Really Bonkeydollocks

2:14pm Thu 23 Jan 14

NylodScraggs says...

j2209m wrote:
Does anyone else notice that the horse was apparenty reported at 5.30pm and traffic stationary. These bikes weaved past the stationary traffic, and must have then collided? Speed was an issue but of the irresponsible bikes who sneak inbetween stationary traffic. Who think they have the right to overtake, and drive riding the white line.
One of the bikes hit the horse, you c0ck! Are you suggesting the the horse was in between two stationary cars?
[quote][p][bold]j2209m[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else notice that the horse was apparenty reported at 5.30pm and traffic stationary. These bikes weaved past the stationary traffic, and must have then collided? Speed was an issue but of the irresponsible bikes who sneak inbetween stationary traffic. Who think they have the right to overtake, and drive riding the white line.[/p][/quote]One of the bikes hit the horse, you c0ck! Are you suggesting the the horse was in between two stationary cars? NylodScraggs

2:34pm Thu 23 Jan 14

pigfarmer says...

Bonkeydollocks wrote:
There really needs to be improvement on the A31 though. Westbound the fast, safe 3-lane (+ shoulder) M27 finishes at Cadnam into a 2-lane 1950's road up a switchback hill, then round a sharp RH blind bend with a Little Chef and petrol station shortly afterwards. Coupled with that there is a RH turn as well so traffic at 70MPH in the outside lane slows to turn across 70MPH eastbound traffic. Such a change in visibility and road conditions is crazy with todays traffic.

Accepted, this is some 7 miles away from the tragedy of yesterday but it says so much about the whole approach to this road which really should have been upgraded decades ago to motorway standard.

Time for a rethink on this - we should even consider the whole issue of upgrading the A31 to M27 standard through the forest and re-bypassing Ringwood, St Leonards, Ferndown and Wimborne properly now - out to Bere Regis. The A31 Cadnam to Bere Regis currently is vastly overloaded and so dangerous for the volume of traffic now carried.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Bonkeydollocks[/bold] wrote: There really needs to be improvement on the A31 though. Westbound the fast, safe 3-lane (+ shoulder) M27 finishes at Cadnam into a 2-lane 1950's road up a switchback hill, then round a sharp RH blind bend with a Little Chef and petrol station shortly afterwards. Coupled with that there is a RH turn as well so traffic at 70MPH in the outside lane slows to turn across 70MPH eastbound traffic. Such a change in visibility and road conditions is crazy with todays traffic. Accepted, this is some 7 miles away from the tragedy of yesterday but it says so much about the whole approach to this road which really should have been upgraded decades ago to motorway standard. Time for a rethink on this - we should even consider the whole issue of upgrading the A31 to M27 standard through the forest and re-bypassing Ringwood, St Leonards, Ferndown and Wimborne properly now - out to Bere Regis. The A31 Cadnam to Bere Regis currently is vastly overloaded and so dangerous for the volume of traffic now carried.[/p][/quote]Well said. pigfarmer

3:52pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Old gift says...

Bonkeydollocks wrote:
roro08 wrote:
This is really, really inappropriate and irrelevant. Bournemouth Echo jumping on what sounds like a very unfortunate, not speed related, road death just for sensationalist purposes to fire up a needless conversation. Terrible journalism. If anyone knows where to formally complain please let us know.
You know sometimes it takes a tragedy to effect change - sadly that's the way it is in life. If you look at most safety improvements generally they were as a result of something tragic happening. If you look at how things have changed in H&S since the tragedies of decades ago like Aberfan, Paris DC10 plane crash, Kings Cross fire, Clapham & Paddington train crashes, Piper Alpha oil rig, Herald of Free Enterprise and Marchioness boat disaterrs.

Yet with all the above disasters, people had been saying for YEARS that these were accidents waiting to happen but no one listened, no one took action. As I said, tragic accidents trigger change so whilst Councillor Thierry's timing may be a little premature, if the constant calls for safety improvements after each tragedy finally gets something done then something positive will come out of this sad loss.

The road is truly terrible, particularly the westbound sections at Cadnam to Stony Cross and Burley to St Leonards. Time for action, really is!
I have lived in the New Forest all of my 76 years and have driven on the A31 between Southampton and Ringwood almost every day for more than 50 years. I can assure everyone that there is very little wrong with this road but a great deal wrong with many of the drivers that use it. When I first started driving on this road there was no duel carriageway and the road was directly through the town of Ringwood it was not entirely fenced as it is today. There were "Derestriction" signs after the Romsey Road, where the Cadnam roundabout is now, and one could drive at any speed as it was before the blanket 70 mph until one was close to Ringwood just before the White Hart.
My point is that providing drivers take account of the conditions and are aware of other road users there is no need to change the current speed restrictions.
Unfortunately although on the majority of the other roads in the Forest there is
A 40 mph speed limit there are accidents involving animals almost every day.
It is not the speed limits that need changing it is the education and awareness of drivers, sadly it is often the regular and local drivers that are the worst offenders, probably complacency on their part.
[quote][p][bold]Bonkeydollocks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roro08[/bold] wrote: This is really, really inappropriate and irrelevant. Bournemouth Echo jumping on what sounds like a very unfortunate, not speed related, road death just for sensationalist purposes to fire up a needless conversation. Terrible journalism. If anyone knows where to formally complain please let us know.[/p][/quote]You know sometimes it takes a tragedy to effect change - sadly that's the way it is in life. If you look at most safety improvements generally they were as a result of something tragic happening. If you look at how things have changed in H&S since the tragedies of decades ago like Aberfan, Paris DC10 plane crash, Kings Cross fire, Clapham & Paddington train crashes, Piper Alpha oil rig, Herald of Free Enterprise and Marchioness boat disaterrs. Yet with all the above disasters, people had been saying for YEARS that these were accidents waiting to happen but no one listened, no one took action. As I said, tragic accidents trigger change so whilst Councillor Thierry's timing may be a little premature, if the constant calls for safety improvements after each tragedy finally gets something done then something positive will come out of this sad loss. The road is truly terrible, particularly the westbound sections at Cadnam to Stony Cross and Burley to St Leonards. Time for action, really is![/p][/quote]I have lived in the New Forest all of my 76 years and have driven on the A31 between Southampton and Ringwood almost every day for more than 50 years. I can assure everyone that there is very little wrong with this road but a great deal wrong with many of the drivers that use it. When I first started driving on this road there was no duel carriageway and the road was directly through the town of Ringwood it was not entirely fenced as it is today. There were "Derestriction" signs after the Romsey Road, where the Cadnam roundabout is now, and one could drive at any speed as it was before the blanket 70 mph until one was close to Ringwood just before the White Hart. My point is that providing drivers take account of the conditions and are aware of other road users there is no need to change the current speed restrictions. Unfortunately although on the majority of the other roads in the Forest there is A 40 mph speed limit there are accidents involving animals almost every day. It is not the speed limits that need changing it is the education and awareness of drivers, sadly it is often the regular and local drivers that are the worst offenders, probably complacency on their part. Old gift

5:05pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Bonkeydollocks wrote:
There really needs to be improvement on the A31 though. Westbound the fast, safe 3-lane (+ shoulder) M27 finishes at Cadnam into a 2-lane 1950's road up a switchback hill, then round a sharp RH blind bend with a Little Chef and petrol station shortly afterwards. Coupled with that there is a RH turn as well so traffic at 70MPH in the outside lane slows to turn across 70MPH eastbound traffic. Such a change in visibility and road conditions is crazy with todays traffic.

Accepted, this is some 7 miles away from the tragedy of yesterday but it says so much about the whole approach to this road which really should have been upgraded decades ago to motorway standard.

Time for a rethink on this - we should even consider the whole issue of upgrading the A31 to M27 standard through the forest and re-bypassing Ringwood, St Leonards, Ferndown and Wimborne properly now - out to Bere Regis. The A31 Cadnam to Bere Regis currently is vastly overloaded and so dangerous for the volume of traffic now carried.
Well said, but not an upgrade to the existing A31. A whole new road parallel through the Forest would be better, then there would not be 5 years of misery, jams and more accidents if they worked on the existing A31 while it's still in use. At least in the forest there is the land to do it and land South of Ringwood too to cross the Avon valley and land south of St Leonards. Trouble is though it's not just Hants and Dorset that have problems, it's right from Exeter to Dover. Chichester bypass, Arundel, Worthing, Lancing, Lewes to Polegate, Bexhill, Hastings etc have congestion/flooding and accident/safety issues which haven't been resolved properly. The South Coast has had a raw deal in road building full stop.
[quote][p][bold]Bonkeydollocks[/bold] wrote: There really needs to be improvement on the A31 though. Westbound the fast, safe 3-lane (+ shoulder) M27 finishes at Cadnam into a 2-lane 1950's road up a switchback hill, then round a sharp RH blind bend with a Little Chef and petrol station shortly afterwards. Coupled with that there is a RH turn as well so traffic at 70MPH in the outside lane slows to turn across 70MPH eastbound traffic. Such a change in visibility and road conditions is crazy with todays traffic. Accepted, this is some 7 miles away from the tragedy of yesterday but it says so much about the whole approach to this road which really should have been upgraded decades ago to motorway standard. Time for a rethink on this - we should even consider the whole issue of upgrading the A31 to M27 standard through the forest and re-bypassing Ringwood, St Leonards, Ferndown and Wimborne properly now - out to Bere Regis. The A31 Cadnam to Bere Regis currently is vastly overloaded and so dangerous for the volume of traffic now carried.[/p][/quote]Well said, but not an upgrade to the existing A31. A whole new road parallel through the Forest would be better, then there would not be 5 years of misery, jams and more accidents if they worked on the existing A31 while it's still in use. At least in the forest there is the land to do it and land South of Ringwood too to cross the Avon valley and land south of St Leonards. Trouble is though it's not just Hants and Dorset that have problems, it's right from Exeter to Dover. Chichester bypass, Arundel, Worthing, Lancing, Lewes to Polegate, Bexhill, Hastings etc have congestion/flooding and accident/safety issues which haven't been resolved properly. The South Coast has had a raw deal in road building full stop. Telscombe Cliffy

6:08pm Thu 23 Jan 14

GAHmusic says...

I know this has been said but I am absolutely discusted with the councilor for using what was obviously an entirely freak and tragic accident to promote his obbsesion with speed
I know this has been said but I am absolutely discusted with the councilor for using what was obviously an entirely freak and tragic accident to promote his obbsesion with speed GAHmusic

6:53pm Thu 23 Jan 14

QPUtd says...

What on earth has a biker tragically crashing into a horse running wild got to do with lowering the speed limit on this road? There can be no evidence at this early stage in the investigation the bloke crashed because he was going too fast.
What on earth has a biker tragically crashing into a horse running wild got to do with lowering the speed limit on this road? There can be no evidence at this early stage in the investigation the bloke crashed because he was going too fast. QPUtd

6:55pm Thu 23 Jan 14

QPUtd says...

I meant to add the word "that" between "investigation and "the"
I meant to add the word "that" between "investigation and "the" QPUtd

7:54pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Chris the plumber says...

Well said Cllr Thierry:-
50mph from M27 and past Ringwood.
how many more dead road users do we need before all the speedsters
shut up !!!
Well said Cllr Thierry:- 50mph from M27 and past Ringwood. how many more dead road users do we need before all the speedsters shut up !!! Chris the plumber

9:26pm Thu 23 Jan 14

ShuttleX says...

Bonkeydollocks wrote:
roro08 wrote:
This is really, really inappropriate and irrelevant. Bournemouth Echo jumping on what sounds like a very unfortunate, not speed related, road death just for sensationalist purposes to fire up a needless conversation. Terrible journalism. If anyone knows where to formally complain please let us know.
You know sometimes it takes a tragedy to effect change - sadly that's the way it is in life. If you look at most safety improvements generally they were as a result of something tragic happening. If you look at how things have changed in H&S since the tragedies of decades ago like Aberfan, Paris DC10 plane crash, Kings Cross fire, Clapham & Paddington train crashes, Piper Alpha oil rig, Herald of Free Enterprise and Marchioness boat disaterrs.

Yet with all the above disasters, people had been saying for YEARS that these were accidents waiting to happen but no one listened, no one took action. As I said, tragic accidents trigger change so whilst Councillor Thierry's timing may be a little premature, if the constant calls for safety improvements after each tragedy finally gets something done then something positive will come out of this sad loss.

The road is truly terrible, particularly the westbound sections at Cadnam to Stony Cross and Burley to St Leonards. Time for action, really is!
There is nothing wrong with the road, it's the drivers on it that cause accidents.
[quote][p][bold]Bonkeydollocks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roro08[/bold] wrote: This is really, really inappropriate and irrelevant. Bournemouth Echo jumping on what sounds like a very unfortunate, not speed related, road death just for sensationalist purposes to fire up a needless conversation. Terrible journalism. If anyone knows where to formally complain please let us know.[/p][/quote]You know sometimes it takes a tragedy to effect change - sadly that's the way it is in life. If you look at most safety improvements generally they were as a result of something tragic happening. If you look at how things have changed in H&S since the tragedies of decades ago like Aberfan, Paris DC10 plane crash, Kings Cross fire, Clapham & Paddington train crashes, Piper Alpha oil rig, Herald of Free Enterprise and Marchioness boat disaterrs. Yet with all the above disasters, people had been saying for YEARS that these were accidents waiting to happen but no one listened, no one took action. As I said, tragic accidents trigger change so whilst Councillor Thierry's timing may be a little premature, if the constant calls for safety improvements after each tragedy finally gets something done then something positive will come out of this sad loss. The road is truly terrible, particularly the westbound sections at Cadnam to Stony Cross and Burley to St Leonards. Time for action, really is![/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with the road, it's the drivers on it that cause accidents. ShuttleX

12:49pm Tue 28 Jan 14

bmutch says...

j2209m wrote:
Does anyone else notice that the horse was apparenty reported at 5.30pm and traffic stationary. These bikes weaved past the stationary traffic, and must have then collided? Speed was an issue but of the irresponsible bikes who sneak inbetween stationary traffic. Who think they have the right to overtake, and drive riding the white line.
How insensitive are you J2209 Speed was not an issue at all, and to say they were irresponsible is an insult to the bereaved family and friends, they were given the go ahead to continue, I just hope you never go through the heartache that we are.
[quote][p][bold]j2209m[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else notice that the horse was apparenty reported at 5.30pm and traffic stationary. These bikes weaved past the stationary traffic, and must have then collided? Speed was an issue but of the irresponsible bikes who sneak inbetween stationary traffic. Who think they have the right to overtake, and drive riding the white line.[/p][/quote]How insensitive are you J2209 Speed was not an issue at all, and to say they were irresponsible is an insult to the bereaved family and friends, they were given the go ahead to continue, I just hope you never go through the heartache that we are. bmutch

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