Crackdown: controversial plans to tackle street drinking could be rolled out across Bournemouth

Crackdown: controversial plans to tackle street drinking could be rolled out across Bournemouth

Councillor David Smith

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CONTROVERSIAL plans to give police new powers to crack down on alcohol-related bad behaviour could be rolled out across Bournemouth.

Under new proposals to go before Bournemouth Borough Council’s Cabinet next week, a Designated Public Place Order (DPPO) – which gives police discretionary powers to confiscate alcohol in public places – could be rolled out across the borough.

Currently, there is a DPPO in place in the centre of Bournemouth, Boscombe and Charminster.

However, an extension would draw in the rest of the area, with police able to arrest or fine those who fail to comply with the restrictions of the order.

Councillor David Smith, cabinet member for planning and environment, said: “This is something that we already have in place across certain parts of Bournemouth.

“We started out with the town centre before including Boscombe, but then the drinking moved to Springbourne. Sometime later we added Charminster.

“We started to look at extending it to other areas, such as between Bournemouth and Boscombe, but then traders in Southbourne told us they had problems with drinking in Fishermans Walk, and there were problems with students in Winton, and so in the end we thought it was ridiculous to draw up those lines. It may as well cover the whole borough.”

He added: “I’d like to emphasise that a DPPO does not mean that it is an offence to drink in a public space in Bournemouth and we are not looking to stop people from consuming alcohol whilst enjoying a quiet picnic on the beach.

“However, for the minority who cause anti-social behaviour by street drinking, the police would be able to exercise their powers to confiscate alcohol anywhere in the town.”

John Coulston, a trustee of Michael House, said he feared that the homeless may be targeted by the plans.

“I am concerned that homeless people and those with alcohol abuse problems could be harassed,” he said.

“As a discretionary power, it does depend on the police officer at the time and how that power is interpreted, so although I can see that many people will welcome it, I am worried.”

Moe to tackle anti-social behaviour

THE move to tackle anti-social drinking in public places comes after police noted a rise in street drinking.

Local authorities looking to cover areas of the town with a DPPO must be able to prove that there is a problem with disorder sparked by alcohol.

And Bournemouth Borough Council has highlighted a number of ‘drinking hot spots’ (see left) where DPPOs are often issued.

Superintendent Charlie Eggar, Dorset Police, said: “A DPPO is a discretionary power and the police do not have to apply it in all circumstances.

“One has been in place covering Bournemouth town centre for some time and is used to deal with those drinking and acting in an anti-social manner.

“By taking a boroughwide approach it will be clear to members of the public where the power applies and allows our officers to adopt the same approach in all parts of Bournemouth.”

A report on the findings of a public consultation held in November 2013 will go before the Cabinet on Wednesday.

Although the report has not yet been made publically available online, the Daily Echo can reveal that, of 621 replies received from Bournemouth, 85 per cent were in favour of implementing the borough-wide order.

A further 108 replies were received across a range of off-licences, pubs, hotels and restaurants.

Of those, 96 per cent were in favour of the scheme. Overall, 89 per cent of responses supported the initiative.

Of the 11 per cent who rejected the borough-wide DPPO, 75 per cent felt that the existing DPPO areas shouldn’t be expanded into any other part of the town.

The reasons for this opposition fall broadly into two areas; those who feel the order won’t be effective because it will not be enforced by the police, and those who believe that the order will be over-policed and will infringe upon peaceful alcohol drinking in public spaces.

Neighbouring authorities were also consulted.

East Dorset District Council had no concerns about the order, while councillors in Christchurch added: “Should a borough-wide DPPO for Bournemouth be implemented and we have issues with displacement, we will be able to work together to identify solutions.”

The council don’t hold figures for arrests made under the DPPO legislation currently.
The order is used mainly informally by the police to confiscate alcohol and arrests are not usually required.

HOT SPOTS
These areas have been identified by the council as having a high rate of drinking in public places.

Bournemouth town centre
Westbourne
West Cliff
Winton
Springbourne
Southbourne

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6:43am Thu 23 Jan 14

manyogie says...

And, like all these `laws` it will be applied unevenly.
If there's a crowd of people that look like the usual feral generation that's been raised nothing will happen, look at Poole Bus Station, look at any City center across the land.
And, like all these `laws` it will be applied unevenly. If there's a crowd of people that look like the usual feral generation that's been raised nothing will happen, look at Poole Bus Station, look at any City center across the land. manyogie
  • Score: 5

7:04am Thu 23 Jan 14

bosco1 says...

It does not appear to be working at all in the areas that have been designated already. You only have to walk around the Asda and Landsdowne area every day you find people with cans of Alcohol. Sitting on the seats in the subway at the station, outside Staples, so I cannot see any further scheme working.We dont have enough foot/beat Police on the streets now.and in fairness to them they have other issues to attend without the need to be checking on drinkers outside as well.!!
It does not appear to be working at all in the areas that have been designated already. You only have to walk around the Asda and Landsdowne area every day you find people with cans of Alcohol. Sitting on the seats in the subway at the station, outside Staples, so I cannot see any further scheme working.We dont have enough foot/beat Police on the streets now.and in fairness to them they have other issues to attend without the need to be checking on drinkers outside as well.!! bosco1
  • Score: 17

8:40am Thu 23 Jan 14

Hessenford says...

If boozers move to alternate areas when bans are put in place the simple solution would be to ban drinking in all areas.
If boozers move to alternate areas when bans are put in place the simple solution would be to ban drinking in all areas. Hessenford
  • Score: 12

9:12am Thu 23 Jan 14

pete woodley says...

Its not just drinkers who want to fight.There are too many "brave" idiots around who get a kick out of thumping somebody,especially pensioners around 70/80 years old,then they boast to their mates.
Its not just drinkers who want to fight.There are too many "brave" idiots around who get a kick out of thumping somebody,especially pensioners around 70/80 years old,then they boast to their mates. pete woodley
  • Score: 2

9:22am Thu 23 Jan 14

Dibbles2 says...

Quote," John Coulston, a trustee of Michael House, said he feared that the homeless may be targeted by the plans.

“I am concerned that homeless people and those with alcohol abuse problems could be harassed,” he said."

Im sorry Mr Coulston but I am harrassed by homeless people at my work every weekend. Begging, abusing our customers, anti social behaviour, homophobic ranting, tresspass, theft, urinating in public, littering, street robbery, sexual assault and the final straw came when one pulled a syringe on a lady as she didn't like him grinding up against her 18 year old daughter. That was last weekend alone.

So I'm sorry if you are worried about the police doing their job. I'm worried about them NOT doing there job! And before anyone asks the last one was reported to the police and they did nothing about it! I pay my taxes and council tax and expect them to act on something like that.
Quote," John Coulston, a trustee of Michael House, said he feared that the homeless may be targeted by the plans. “I am concerned that homeless people and those with alcohol abuse problems could be harassed,” he said." Im sorry Mr Coulston but I am harrassed by homeless people at my work every weekend. Begging, abusing our customers, anti social behaviour, homophobic ranting, tresspass, theft, urinating in public, littering, street robbery, sexual assault and the final straw came when one pulled a syringe on a lady as she didn't like him grinding up against her 18 year old daughter. That was last weekend alone. So I'm sorry if you are worried about the police doing their job. I'm worried about them NOT doing there job! And before anyone asks the last one was reported to the police and they did nothing about it! I pay my taxes and council tax and expect them to act on something like that. Dibbles2
  • Score: 22

9:59am Thu 23 Jan 14

pete woodley says...

Dibbles2,what was the police excuse for not acting on your serious complaint.
Dibbles2,what was the police excuse for not acting on your serious complaint. pete woodley
  • Score: 2

10:06am Thu 23 Jan 14

spotthis says...

I see Boscombe isn't mentioned, which is a joke. The majority of time when you phone the police up in Boscombe, they dont turn up probably because there aren't enough of them and thats because their money has been cut. They should come clean about it, especially as they are trying to get B'mth council to give them more money. All the police want is a tiny increase which amounts to about 7p extra a week to most B'mth residents. I would happily pay up as would most people IF it meant we got more police in Boscombe.
I see Boscombe isn't mentioned, which is a joke. The majority of time when you phone the police up in Boscombe, they dont turn up probably because there aren't enough of them and thats because their money has been cut. They should come clean about it, especially as they are trying to get B'mth council to give them more money. All the police want is a tiny increase which amounts to about 7p extra a week to most B'mth residents. I would happily pay up as would most people IF it meant we got more police in Boscombe. spotthis
  • Score: 4

10:14am Thu 23 Jan 14

Hessenford says...

spotthis wrote:
I see Boscombe isn't mentioned, which is a joke. The majority of time when you phone the police up in Boscombe, they dont turn up probably because there aren't enough of them and thats because their money has been cut. They should come clean about it, especially as they are trying to get B'mth council to give them more money. All the police want is a tiny increase which amounts to about 7p extra a week to most B'mth residents. I would happily pay up as would most people IF it meant we got more police in Boscombe.
I fear its the S.A.S you need in Boscombe not more police.
[quote][p][bold]spotthis[/bold] wrote: I see Boscombe isn't mentioned, which is a joke. The majority of time when you phone the police up in Boscombe, they dont turn up probably because there aren't enough of them and thats because their money has been cut. They should come clean about it, especially as they are trying to get B'mth council to give them more money. All the police want is a tiny increase which amounts to about 7p extra a week to most B'mth residents. I would happily pay up as would most people IF it meant we got more police in Boscombe.[/p][/quote]I fear its the S.A.S you need in Boscombe not more police. Hessenford
  • Score: 5

10:15am Thu 23 Jan 14

pete woodley says...

Most of us would pay a bit extra to see more police,but certainly not to pay out huge sums to keep the PCC and all his staff.
Most of us would pay a bit extra to see more police,but certainly not to pay out huge sums to keep the PCC and all his staff. pete woodley
  • Score: 8

11:08am Thu 23 Jan 14

Dibbles2 says...

pete woodley wrote:
Dibbles2,what was the police excuse for not acting on your serious complaint.
They didn't have one they just walked off after moving him on. They didn't even come back to us.

I have to say its a pretty normal reaction from Dorset Police at the weekends. We have had people seriously assaulted and the police never do anything about it. Its time they took responsibility for some of the serious incidents that have happened in Bournemouth of late. There is little fear of being arrested or charged as they know how lax the police are.

The cant be bothered attitude has to stop and if people are not happy with the way the police have acted perhaps we need to start writing to our expensive PCC and complaining and give him something other than budgets to think about.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Dibbles2,what was the police excuse for not acting on your serious complaint.[/p][/quote]They didn't have one they just walked off after moving him on. They didn't even come back to us. I have to say its a pretty normal reaction from Dorset Police at the weekends. We have had people seriously assaulted and the police never do anything about it. Its time they took responsibility for some of the serious incidents that have happened in Bournemouth of late. There is little fear of being arrested or charged as they know how lax the police are. The cant be bothered attitude has to stop and if people are not happy with the way the police have acted perhaps we need to start writing to our expensive PCC and complaining and give him something other than budgets to think about. Dibbles2
  • Score: 3

11:08am Thu 23 Jan 14

InkZ says...

I think there's a spare £15 million sat somewhere that could be used for this.
I think there's a spare £15 million sat somewhere that could be used for this. InkZ
  • Score: 4

11:18am Thu 23 Jan 14

Kevin_123 says...

I am looking to move back to Bournemouth in the summer. However, when I visited late last year I noticed a very big increase of people drinking on the streets both in the morning and at night. I do agree that street drinking is a massive issue in Bournemouth and does need to be dealt with ASAP! It has put me off moving back home!
I am looking to move back to Bournemouth in the summer. However, when I visited late last year I noticed a very big increase of people drinking on the streets both in the morning and at night. I do agree that street drinking is a massive issue in Bournemouth and does need to be dealt with ASAP! It has put me off moving back home! Kevin_123
  • Score: 5

11:18am Thu 23 Jan 14

Azphreal says...

'“However, for the minority who cause anti-social behaviour by street drinking, the police would be able to exercise their powers to confiscate alcohol anywhere in the town.” Then you do not need this as there are already laws in place to deal with antisocial behaviour and they are not allowed to take their drink when they are arrested.
'“However, for the minority who cause anti-social behaviour by street drinking, the police would be able to exercise their powers to confiscate alcohol anywhere in the town.” Then you do not need this as there are already laws in place to deal with antisocial behaviour and they are not allowed to take their drink when they are arrested. Azphreal
  • Score: 3

11:23am Thu 23 Jan 14

vwbournie says...

you will never stop street drinking...why?? because the people involved will just move on somewhere else, the cresent used to be, churchill gardens, stanley road, the old shelters on the prom, west cliff, and all it takes is a vodka bottle mixed wiv coke and pour it into a soft drink bottle
you will never stop street drinking...why?? because the people involved will just move on somewhere else, the cresent used to be, churchill gardens, stanley road, the old shelters on the prom, west cliff, and all it takes is a vodka bottle mixed wiv coke and pour it into a soft drink bottle vwbournie
  • Score: 3

12:00pm Thu 23 Jan 14

BmthNewshound says...

What's the point of extending DPPO's across the whole borough when the DPPO covering Bournemouth, Boscombe and Charminster. is not enforced ?
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Superintendent Charlie Eggar, Dorset Police, said: “A DPPO is a discretionary power and the police do not have to apply it in all circumstances." - So basically the police can turn a blind eye, and often do.
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The problem is that cheap alcohol is now more easily available from supermarkets and convenience stores. So in part the problem is of the councils own making by granting licenses to so many establishments for the sale of alcohol. The problem of street drinkers around Bournemouth station could be significantly reduced if Asda took a more responsible approach to selling alcohol.
What's the point of extending DPPO's across the whole borough when the DPPO covering Bournemouth, Boscombe and Charminster. is not enforced ? . Superintendent Charlie Eggar, Dorset Police, said: “A DPPO is a discretionary power and the police do not have to apply it in all circumstances." - So basically the police can turn a blind eye, and often do. . The problem is that cheap alcohol is now more easily available from supermarkets and convenience stores. So in part the problem is of the councils own making by granting licenses to so many establishments for the sale of alcohol. The problem of street drinkers around Bournemouth station could be significantly reduced if Asda took a more responsible approach to selling alcohol. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Thu 23 Jan 14

West Howe Sean says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Dibbles2,what was the police excuse for not acting on your serious complaint.
They didn't have one they just walked off after moving him on. They didn't even come back to us.

I have to say its a pretty normal reaction from Dorset Police at the weekends. We have had people seriously assaulted and the police never do anything about it. Its time they took responsibility for some of the serious incidents that have happened in Bournemouth of late. There is little fear of being arrested or charged as they know how lax the police are.

The cant be bothered attitude has to stop and if people are not happy with the way the police have acted perhaps we need to start writing to our expensive PCC and complaining and give him something other than budgets to think about.
For some reason the Police forget that they are accountable to the people. The Police are there to serve us.
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Dibbles2,what was the police excuse for not acting on your serious complaint.[/p][/quote]They didn't have one they just walked off after moving him on. They didn't even come back to us. I have to say its a pretty normal reaction from Dorset Police at the weekends. We have had people seriously assaulted and the police never do anything about it. Its time they took responsibility for some of the serious incidents that have happened in Bournemouth of late. There is little fear of being arrested or charged as they know how lax the police are. The cant be bothered attitude has to stop and if people are not happy with the way the police have acted perhaps we need to start writing to our expensive PCC and complaining and give him something other than budgets to think about.[/p][/quote]For some reason the Police forget that they are accountable to the people. The Police are there to serve us. West Howe Sean
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Thu 23 Jan 14

KLH says...

I do hope this is theclast we see of a particular odious tall Liverpudlian older gentleman we see between Horsehshoe Common and Westbourne along with his ilk. Perhaps ladies will be able to walk around without his lecherous remarks, and he'll stay indoors and out of sight. Fed up with his revolting comments.
I do hope this is theclast we see of a particular odious tall Liverpudlian older gentleman we see between Horsehshoe Common and Westbourne along with his ilk. Perhaps ladies will be able to walk around without his lecherous remarks, and he'll stay indoors and out of sight. Fed up with his revolting comments. KLH
  • Score: 1

1:30pm Thu 23 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

vwbournie wrote:
you will never stop street drinking...why?? because the people involved will just move on somewhere else, the cresent used to be, churchill gardens, stanley road, the old shelters on the prom, west cliff, and all it takes is a vodka bottle mixed wiv coke and pour it into a soft drink bottle
At least you seem to have thought this issue through far more than those seeking to grab a fast headline!

Where there is a will or an addiction......., the authorities will in future be ignoring lot's of inexplicably dazed and sleepy folk drinking from harmless plastic 'value' lemonade bottles on a street corner near us all!
[quote][p][bold]vwbournie[/bold] wrote: you will never stop street drinking...why?? because the people involved will just move on somewhere else, the cresent used to be, churchill gardens, stanley road, the old shelters on the prom, west cliff, and all it takes is a vodka bottle mixed wiv coke and pour it into a soft drink bottle[/p][/quote]At least you seem to have thought this issue through far more than those seeking to grab a fast headline! Where there is a will or an addiction......., the authorities will in future be ignoring lot's of inexplicably dazed and sleepy folk drinking from harmless plastic 'value' lemonade bottles on a street corner near us all! muscliffman
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Dibbles2 says...

KLH wrote:
I do hope this is theclast we see of a particular odious tall Liverpudlian older gentleman we see between Horsehshoe Common and Westbourne along with his ilk. Perhaps ladies will be able to walk around without his lecherous remarks, and he'll stay indoors and out of sight. Fed up with his revolting comments.
Funnily enough this is just the chap I have been talking about!
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: I do hope this is theclast we see of a particular odious tall Liverpudlian older gentleman we see between Horsehshoe Common and Westbourne along with his ilk. Perhaps ladies will be able to walk around without his lecherous remarks, and he'll stay indoors and out of sight. Fed up with his revolting comments.[/p][/quote]Funnily enough this is just the chap I have been talking about! Dibbles2
  • Score: 0

2:30pm Thu 23 Jan 14

vwbournie says...

muscliffman wrote:
vwbournie wrote:
you will never stop street drinking...why?? because the people involved will just move on somewhere else, the cresent used to be, churchill gardens, stanley road, the old shelters on the prom, west cliff, and all it takes is a vodka bottle mixed wiv coke and pour it into a soft drink bottle
At least you seem to have thought this issue through far more than those seeking to grab a fast headline!

Where there is a will or an addiction......., the authorities will in future be ignoring lot's of inexplicably dazed and sleepy folk drinking from harmless plastic 'value' lemonade bottles on a street corner near us all!
you see it all the time, people drinking out off bottles hidden in a blue bag, like i said u will never stop it
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vwbournie[/bold] wrote: you will never stop street drinking...why?? because the people involved will just move on somewhere else, the cresent used to be, churchill gardens, stanley road, the old shelters on the prom, west cliff, and all it takes is a vodka bottle mixed wiv coke and pour it into a soft drink bottle[/p][/quote]At least you seem to have thought this issue through far more than those seeking to grab a fast headline! Where there is a will or an addiction......., the authorities will in future be ignoring lot's of inexplicably dazed and sleepy folk drinking from harmless plastic 'value' lemonade bottles on a street corner near us all![/p][/quote]you see it all the time, people drinking out off bottles hidden in a blue bag, like i said u will never stop it vwbournie
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Thu 23 Jan 14

scrumpyjack says...

Hessenford wrote:
spotthis wrote:
I see Boscombe isn't mentioned, which is a joke. The majority of time when you phone the police up in Boscombe, they dont turn up probably because there aren't enough of them and thats because their money has been cut. They should come clean about it, especially as they are trying to get B'mth council to give them more money. All the police want is a tiny increase which amounts to about 7p extra a week to most B'mth residents. I would happily pay up as would most people IF it meant we got more police in Boscombe.
I fear its the S.A.S you need in Boscombe not more police.
Ah you mean the Super Army Soldiers?
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spotthis[/bold] wrote: I see Boscombe isn't mentioned, which is a joke. The majority of time when you phone the police up in Boscombe, they dont turn up probably because there aren't enough of them and thats because their money has been cut. They should come clean about it, especially as they are trying to get B'mth council to give them more money. All the police want is a tiny increase which amounts to about 7p extra a week to most B'mth residents. I would happily pay up as would most people IF it meant we got more police in Boscombe.[/p][/quote]I fear its the S.A.S you need in Boscombe not more police.[/p][/quote]Ah you mean the Super Army Soldiers? scrumpyjack
  • Score: -1

4:04pm Thu 23 Jan 14

nickynoodah says...

I was speaking with pete the crossdresser at lunchtime
he says it can only get worser
with all these Bulgarians what be coming hur
I was speaking with pete the crossdresser at lunchtime he says it can only get worser with all these Bulgarians what be coming hur nickynoodah
  • Score: -4

7:23pm Thu 23 Jan 14

live-and-let-live says...

ordinary peaceful people who like to enjoy a drink outside, in a park or on a quayside , will be targeted. the yobs will carry on as usual.
ordinary peaceful people who like to enjoy a drink outside, in a park or on a quayside , will be targeted. the yobs will carry on as usual. live-and-let-live
  • Score: 0

9:27am Fri 24 Jan 14

geoffrey says...

It only affects anti social drinking so,presumably, sharing a bottle or a party in the street will still be OK.
It only affects anti social drinking so,presumably, sharing a bottle or a party in the street will still be OK. geoffrey
  • Score: 2

4:49pm Sat 25 Jan 14

KLH says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
KLH wrote:
I do hope this is theclast we see of a particular odious tall Liverpudlian older gentleman we see between Horsehshoe Common and Westbourne along with his ilk. Perhaps ladies will be able to walk around without his lecherous remarks, and he'll stay indoors and out of sight. Fed up with his revolting comments.
Funnily enough this is just the chap I have been talking about!
If it is a grey haired man in his late 50s/early 60s, then it probably is!!! Horrid bloke, he has a flat near the town centre. Used to sit in Horseshoe Common, couldn't sit and read the paper without him coming over - usually asked for money.
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: I do hope this is theclast we see of a particular odious tall Liverpudlian older gentleman we see between Horsehshoe Common and Westbourne along with his ilk. Perhaps ladies will be able to walk around without his lecherous remarks, and he'll stay indoors and out of sight. Fed up with his revolting comments.[/p][/quote]Funnily enough this is just the chap I have been talking about![/p][/quote]If it is a grey haired man in his late 50s/early 60s, then it probably is!!! Horrid bloke, he has a flat near the town centre. Used to sit in Horseshoe Common, couldn't sit and read the paper without him coming over - usually asked for money. KLH
  • Score: 0

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