Council to decide on fate of Morrisons’ supermarket scheme for Beagle site

Bournemouth Echo: DEVELOPMENT: The proposed Morrisons store on Stony Lane DEVELOPMENT: The proposed Morrisons store on Stony Lane

THE fate of another potential supermarket in Christchurch will be decided at a special planning meeting later this month.

The proposal for a Morrisons supermarket at the Beagle Technology site in Stony Lane was originally due to go before members of Christchurch council’s planning committee last month.

But just two days before the meeting, the item was pulled and deferred until a later meeting, now scheduled for Thursday January 23.

The special meeting will decide the application, along with a separate proposal for revised plans for a food store at Meteor Retail Park in Somerford.

Morrisons’ scheme for a supermarket at Beagle has already been rejected twice by the planning committee.

The current application has been revised with changes including reducing the height of the building and its location on the site.

The changed scheme for the food store at Meteor Retail Park is to increase the size of the store by removing two non-food outlets.

Back in December, when the decision was made to defer the decision, Chris Newsome, development director at Simons Developments for Morrisons, said they were “confident that Morrisons has the clear support of the vast majority of the residents of Christchurch”.

He said they aimed to bring more than £7.5 million of “tangible benefits” to the town including trade returned to the High Street, a town centre improvement fund as well as work on the A35 Stony Lane roundabout.

Two supermarkets have already been given outline permission by Christchurch Borough Council, one off Barrack Road and another in Somerford.

The Morrisons application is a detailed scheme, meaning if approved, work could start on the site almost immediately.

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4:32pm Sun 12 Jan 14

sam.sprinks says...

I hope they get it. I have supported them all along. They are a very ethical company Morrisons and are what a supermarket should be!
I hope they get it. I have supported them all along. They are a very ethical company Morrisons and are what a supermarket should be! sam.sprinks

4:57pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Mudefordresident says...

That may well be so, and I have no objections to Morrisons whatsoever, but this is not the right place to build a big supermarket, be it Morrisons, Tesco or whoever. It will not benefit the High Street at all despite the developers asserting that folks will shop there and then walk into town - it's too far for our largely elderly population. Traffic congestion around Stoney Lane roundabout is already horrendous, and take a good look this last week - the area is flooded, and access off Stoney Lane impossible. How many supermarkets does Christchurch need, and the other 2 on Somerford Road and Barrack Road have already had their outline plans passed.
That may well be so, and I have no objections to Morrisons whatsoever, but this is not the right place to build a big supermarket, be it Morrisons, Tesco or whoever. It will not benefit the High Street at all despite the developers asserting that folks will shop there and then walk into town - it's too far for our largely elderly population. Traffic congestion around Stoney Lane roundabout is already horrendous, and take a good look this last week - the area is flooded, and access off Stoney Lane impossible. How many supermarkets does Christchurch need, and the other 2 on Somerford Road and Barrack Road have already had their outline plans passed. Mudefordresident

5:28pm Sun 12 Jan 14

twynham says...

I did ask Simons Group how they would cope with approx 10,000 car journeys per day to and from the site (their traffic consultant's figures and agreed by them) with access to Stony Lane closed from the by-pass because of flooding, as it was for most of last week and will surely be again.
They were unable to comment on the impact of this traffic being diverted to Bridge Street and Purewell, no doubt because of a lack of local knowledge.

I also wondered how their articulated delivery lorries would access the site because they could not, and should not, negotiate the High Street and Bridge Street and I then realised the “improvements to add pedestrian lights” at the Purewell/Stony Lane/Bridge Street junction has necessitated the removal of the central reservation bollards in Stony Lane, which I would have thought would be an integral part of a crossing for elderly pedestrians, but, it does leave plenty of room for an artic to turn right after carrying on to Purewell Cross Road and driving through Purewell.

After visiting the site with by-pass access closed I wonder if Chris Newsome could now give me an answer on this forum and explain how adding traffic lights to and carving a hamburger route through the roundabout will make an iota of difference in this scenario?

Stony Lane is a totally inappropriate site for ANY supermarket development with an additional 70,000+ car journeys per week but it will make a shed load of money for Simons Group!
Unfortunately, to the detriment of local residents and to the fabric of already congested and fragile roads.
I did ask Simons Group how they would cope with approx 10,000 car journeys per day to and from the site (their traffic consultant's figures and agreed by them) with access to Stony Lane closed from the by-pass because of flooding, as it was for most of last week and will surely be again. They were unable to comment on the impact of this traffic being diverted to Bridge Street and Purewell, no doubt because of a lack of local knowledge. I also wondered how their articulated delivery lorries would access the site because they could not, and should not, negotiate the High Street and Bridge Street and I then realised the “improvements to add pedestrian lights” at the Purewell/Stony Lane/Bridge Street junction has necessitated the removal of the central reservation bollards in Stony Lane, which I would have thought would be an integral part of a crossing for elderly pedestrians, but, it does leave plenty of room for an artic to turn right after carrying on to Purewell Cross Road and driving through Purewell. After visiting the site with by-pass access closed I wonder if Chris Newsome could now give me an answer on this forum and explain how adding traffic lights to and carving a hamburger route through the roundabout will make an iota of difference in this scenario? Stony Lane is a totally inappropriate site for ANY supermarket development with an additional 70,000+ car journeys per week but it will make a shed load of money for Simons Group! Unfortunately, to the detriment of local residents and to the fabric of already congested and fragile roads. twynham

5:53pm Sun 12 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

'Click & Collect' the final nail in the old 'High Street' coffin is being driven home right now according to UK Christmas shopping trend figures - and I wonder if some of the Christchurch Councillors considering this Morrisons' planning application will even know what it is.

I first suggested years ago that unless Councils introduced motorist friendly High Streets and Town Centres to include FREE parking then they would slowly wither and die. This latest popular shopping trend is probably the last straw for the traditional but outdated idea of paying to park your car when going virtually anywhere to do business.

The future of routine retail shopping in Christchurch now completely depends on encouraging these large supermarkets, because without them not only will people not shop in the High Street (probably a lost cause) but many will happily 'click & collect' or order their 'home delivery' from another large store - in another town.
'Click & Collect' the final nail in the old 'High Street' coffin is being driven home right now according to UK Christmas shopping trend figures - and I wonder if some of the Christchurch Councillors considering this Morrisons' planning application will even know what it is. I first suggested years ago that unless Councils introduced motorist friendly High Streets and Town Centres to include FREE parking then they would slowly wither and die. This latest popular shopping trend is probably the last straw for the traditional but outdated idea of paying to park your car when going virtually anywhere to do business. The future of routine retail shopping in Christchurch now completely depends on encouraging these large supermarkets, because without them not only will people not shop in the High Street (probably a lost cause) but many will happily 'click & collect' or order their 'home delivery' from another large store - in another town. muscliffman

6:31pm Sun 12 Jan 14

twynham says...

With the number of supermarkets already in and close to Christchurch there is no need to go to another town to c. & c.
These will eventually be warehouses any way if your scenario is correct.
With the number of supermarkets already in and close to Christchurch there is no need to go to another town to c. & c. These will eventually be warehouses any way if your scenario is correct. twynham

8:10pm Sun 12 Jan 14

bsjc1234 says...

Totally stupid proposal, seen the flood waters there this week? I have heard of a fresh fish counter but this would be totally ridiculous.
Totally stupid proposal, seen the flood waters there this week? I have heard of a fresh fish counter but this would be totally ridiculous. bsjc1234

8:44pm Sun 12 Jan 14

twynham says...

bsjc1234 wrote:
Totally stupid proposal, seen the flood waters there this week? I have heard of a fresh fish counter but this would be totally ridiculous.
PRICELESS!

(irrespective of my attitude toward the development)
[quote][p][bold]bsjc1234[/bold] wrote: Totally stupid proposal, seen the flood waters there this week? I have heard of a fresh fish counter but this would be totally ridiculous.[/p][/quote]PRICELESS! (irrespective of my attitude toward the development) twynham

9:17pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Dorset Outsider says...

I think that the beagle site is ideal for a supermarket, and we don't have a morrissons in the area, so i am in favour. The asda on Barrack road however is a stupid idea. Only one road in/out and an already congested castle lane. Plus there is an asda in Bournemouth and Poole, allow us some choice please. One day Christchurch needs an actual bypass, not just one that bypasses purewell, this would make the beagle site more suitable.
I think that the beagle site is ideal for a supermarket, and we don't have a morrissons in the area, so i am in favour. The asda on Barrack road however is a stupid idea. Only one road in/out and an already congested castle lane. Plus there is an asda in Bournemouth and Poole, allow us some choice please. One day Christchurch needs an actual bypass, not just one that bypasses purewell, this would make the beagle site more suitable. Dorset Outsider

9:43pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Jetwasher says...

We don't need town centre shops anymore there just too expensive.
We don't need town centre shops anymore there just too expensive. Jetwasher

11:31pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Yankee1 says...

Asda (aka Walmart) is not just a supermarket, but offers virtually anything one needs on a day to day basis.

Regarding shopping in the High Street, it is not suited for shopping except for specialist shops that do not depend upon high footfall. In any event, the Council seems hell-bent on making parking difficult and expensive. Unless people live within walking distance, they may choose to drive to a large supermarket with free parking for those shopping trips.
Asda (aka Walmart) is not just a supermarket, but offers virtually anything one needs on a day to day basis. Regarding shopping in the High Street, it is not suited for shopping except for specialist shops that do not depend upon high footfall. In any event, the Council seems hell-bent on making parking difficult and expensive. Unless people live within walking distance, they may choose to drive to a large supermarket with free parking for those shopping trips. Yankee1

12:25am Mon 13 Jan 14

Former MEXE apprentice says...

Well there is still room for one more supermarket.......on the SRDE site!
Well there is still room for one more supermarket.......on the SRDE site! Former MEXE apprentice

12:30am Mon 13 Jan 14

Former MEXE apprentice says...

Jetwasher wrote:
We don't need town centre shops anymore there just too expensive.
ASDA have got Mc Donald's in store, just needs one of the other super markets to incorporate a Wetherspoons in store and that will be the end of the high street, you won't need to go anywhere else!
[quote][p][bold]Jetwasher[/bold] wrote: We don't need town centre shops anymore there just too expensive.[/p][/quote]ASDA have got Mc Donald's in store, just needs one of the other super markets to incorporate a Wetherspoons in store and that will be the end of the high street, you won't need to go anywhere else! Former MEXE apprentice

8:58am Mon 13 Jan 14

Burtongreenandpleasantland says...

sam.sprinks wrote:
I hope they get it. I have supported them all along. They are a very ethical company Morrisons and are what a supermarket should be!
A 5th Supermarket on a brown field site vs affordable homes on the green fields of Rowshot hill, out of town so the people need cars to travel adding to conjestion. NO THANK YOU
[quote][p][bold]sam.sprinks[/bold] wrote: I hope they get it. I have supported them all along. They are a very ethical company Morrisons and are what a supermarket should be![/p][/quote]A 5th Supermarket on a brown field site vs affordable homes on the green fields of Rowshot hill, out of town so the people need cars to travel adding to conjestion. NO THANK YOU Burtongreenandpleasantland

10:54am Mon 13 Jan 14

Izy_SimonsGroup says...

twynham wrote:
I did ask Simons Group how they would cope with approx 10,000 car journeys per day to and from the site (their traffic consultant's figures and agreed by them) with access to Stony Lane closed from the by-pass because of flooding, as it was for most of last week and will surely be again.
They were unable to comment on the impact of this traffic being diverted to Bridge Street and Purewell, no doubt because of a lack of local knowledge.

I also wondered how their articulated delivery lorries would access the site because they could not, and should not, negotiate the High Street and Bridge Street and I then realised the “improvements to add pedestrian lights” at the Purewell/Stony Lane/Bridge Street junction has necessitated the removal of the central reservation bollards in Stony Lane, which I would have thought would be an integral part of a crossing for elderly pedestrians, but, it does leave plenty of room for an artic to turn right after carrying on to Purewell Cross Road and driving through Purewell.

After visiting the site with by-pass access closed I wonder if Chris Newsome could now give me an answer on this forum and explain how adding traffic lights to and carving a hamburger route through the roundabout will make an iota of difference in this scenario?

Stony Lane is a totally inappropriate site for ANY supermarket development with an additional 70,000+ car journeys per week but it will make a shed load of money for Simons Group!
Unfortunately, to the detriment of local residents and to the fabric of already congested and fragile roads.
Mr Twynham,

I'm afraid that Chris is in meetings all day, so has asked me to respond on behalf of Simons.

It is worth stating that we wanted you to hear from the consultants and specialists that have been providing the facts and the figures, so that you could have the most precise explanations and information possible.

You declined this offer. Should you change your mind, please don't hesitate to let me know.

Regardless of the slightly skewed figures mentioned, the Highways Authority have approved our proposals, which means that they believe our plans to be either neutral or of benefit to the area.

Everyone on Stony Lane has been affected by flooding. The water levels nationwide have been exceptional, which we are unfortunately unable to change. What these levels have shown is that our plans work for the site - residential plans would not work for a site with flooding issues, but a first floor supermarket would.

With regards to your concerns voiced about the BT Fibreoptics, you might be interested to know that our engineers concluded that there would be no significant works necessary & the costs were as originally estimated. It is worth reiterating that we are committed to carrying out these works, the financial plans have all been agreed upon.

Whilst we absolutely respect your right to a differing opinion, there is not a great deal of benefit to going through the same differences for the next week, so we will await the result of the committee meeting and look forward to meeting you there to thank you for highlighting misunderstandings that have been brought to our attention over the course of the application.

As I have said, should you change your mind and wish to speak to our consultants, please let me know, we will happily set up a meeting for you.
[quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: I did ask Simons Group how they would cope with approx 10,000 car journeys per day to and from the site (their traffic consultant's figures and agreed by them) with access to Stony Lane closed from the by-pass because of flooding, as it was for most of last week and will surely be again. They were unable to comment on the impact of this traffic being diverted to Bridge Street and Purewell, no doubt because of a lack of local knowledge. I also wondered how their articulated delivery lorries would access the site because they could not, and should not, negotiate the High Street and Bridge Street and I then realised the “improvements to add pedestrian lights” at the Purewell/Stony Lane/Bridge Street junction has necessitated the removal of the central reservation bollards in Stony Lane, which I would have thought would be an integral part of a crossing for elderly pedestrians, but, it does leave plenty of room for an artic to turn right after carrying on to Purewell Cross Road and driving through Purewell. After visiting the site with by-pass access closed I wonder if Chris Newsome could now give me an answer on this forum and explain how adding traffic lights to and carving a hamburger route through the roundabout will make an iota of difference in this scenario? Stony Lane is a totally inappropriate site for ANY supermarket development with an additional 70,000+ car journeys per week but it will make a shed load of money for Simons Group! Unfortunately, to the detriment of local residents and to the fabric of already congested and fragile roads.[/p][/quote]Mr Twynham, I'm afraid that Chris is in meetings all day, so has asked me to respond on behalf of Simons. It is worth stating that we wanted you to hear from the consultants and specialists that have been providing the facts and the figures, so that you could have the most precise explanations and information possible. You declined this offer. Should you change your mind, please don't hesitate to let me know. Regardless of the slightly skewed figures mentioned, the Highways Authority have approved our proposals, which means that they believe our plans to be either neutral or of benefit to the area. Everyone on Stony Lane has been affected by flooding. The water levels nationwide have been exceptional, which we are unfortunately unable to change. What these levels have shown is that our plans work for the site - residential plans would not work for a site with flooding issues, but a first floor supermarket would. With regards to your concerns voiced about the BT Fibreoptics, you might be interested to know that our engineers concluded that there would be no significant works necessary & the costs were as originally estimated. It is worth reiterating that we are committed to carrying out these works, the financial plans have all been agreed upon. Whilst we absolutely respect your right to a differing opinion, there is not a great deal of benefit to going through the same differences for the next week, so we will await the result of the committee meeting and look forward to meeting you there to thank you for highlighting misunderstandings that have been brought to our attention over the course of the application. As I have said, should you change your mind and wish to speak to our consultants, please let me know, we will happily set up a meeting for you. Izy_SimonsGroup

10:58am Mon 13 Jan 14

skydriver says...

I bet councillors string this out as long as possible, as usual not thinking for the people of Christchurch , for goodness sake get on with it. The local junior school could make quicker and better decisions..
I bet councillors string this out as long as possible, as usual not thinking for the people of Christchurch , for goodness sake get on with it. The local junior school could make quicker and better decisions.. skydriver

12:28pm Mon 13 Jan 14

FrogKiss says...

I have no issue with the Morrisons application. More competition, more choice for consumers. The approved bailey bridge site is close enough to take shoppers away the town centre , I do believe that this one will generate extra footfall through the town.. We are not all old and decrepit and unable to walk the five minutes over the bridges. I would certainly park for free, pop into town and finish off shop in Morrisons to avoid the excessive parking fees.
The Morrisons traffic and the gravel extraction lorries once all that starts driving down our so called bypass may prompt Dorset to actually do something about traffic wanting to actually bypass our town rather than being forced to drive straight through it! That is the real problem here.. The lack of a proper bypass!!
I have no issue with the Morrisons application. More competition, more choice for consumers. The approved bailey bridge site is close enough to take shoppers away the town centre , I do believe that this one will generate extra footfall through the town.. We are not all old and decrepit and unable to walk the five minutes over the bridges. I would certainly park for free, pop into town and finish off shop in Morrisons to avoid the excessive parking fees. The Morrisons traffic and the gravel extraction lorries once all that starts driving down our so called bypass may prompt Dorset to actually do something about traffic wanting to actually bypass our town rather than being forced to drive straight through it! That is the real problem here.. The lack of a proper bypass!! FrogKiss

2:02pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Riverslea says...

Christchurch doesn't needs another supermarket. It is well served already at all price offers. And not Morrisons which is in trouble with falling sales (-5% in last quarter) and no market niche. Does well 'oop north' but poorly down south. Councillors, please resist it and seek another use for the site.
Christchurch doesn't needs another supermarket. It is well served already at all price offers. And not Morrisons which is in trouble with falling sales (-5% in last quarter) and no market niche. Does well 'oop north' but poorly down south. Councillors, please resist it and seek another use for the site. Riverslea

10:21am Wed 15 Jan 14

dobrojoe says...

From what I see here, 'everybody' is going to stop shopping at other supermarkets and go to Morrisons and cause traffic mayhem. I don't think so. With THREE new supermarkets serving the same number of potential customers, it just means that there will be less queuing at tills. I don't see them all surviving myself.
From what I see here, 'everybody' is going to stop shopping at other supermarkets and go to Morrisons and cause traffic mayhem. I don't think so. With THREE new supermarkets serving the same number of potential customers, it just means that there will be less queuing at tills. I don't see them all surviving myself. dobrojoe

12:27pm Thu 16 Jan 14

twynham says...

I believe it's all academic now, both Morrisons and Aldi given outline planning approval.
8 supermarkets for a population of less than 50,00.
Madness.
These decisions will be reflected in my vote in the next Council elections Mr Nottage!
I believe it's all academic now, both Morrisons and Aldi given outline planning approval. 8 supermarkets for a population of less than 50,00. Madness. These decisions will be reflected in my vote in the next Council elections Mr Nottage! twynham

10:14pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Beaglesupporter says...

twynham wrote:
I believe it's all academic now, both Morrisons and Aldi given outline planning approval.
8 supermarkets for a population of less than 50,00.
Madness.
These decisions will be reflected in my vote in the next Council elections Mr Nottage!
Dear Twynham

I have resisted entering a conversation with you but let's be serious

It's not over your planning committee friends from the Thomas Tripp will gang up with Jamieson to ensure the only scheme not granted will be Beagles

However I have spent the last several weeks preparing for my reasoning on why all of the dirty tricks of the last two years need a JR

From Councillors Smiths discussing policy in a pub to Mr Bath tweeting his elation when Beagle was previously turned down and then his mom writing to the editor of the echo lodging her protest to the scheme

Just a thought maybe the planning officers have realised what a situation the committee have created by favouritism to Quantum and common sense prevails yes grant them all and let market forces decide as there is only a finite number of shoppers with cars that will visit these stores

And it's time for us to start sparring over why England is a great nation and accepts Marxist supporters and gives a voice of free speech to them
[quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: I believe it's all academic now, both Morrisons and Aldi given outline planning approval. 8 supermarkets for a population of less than 50,00. Madness. These decisions will be reflected in my vote in the next Council elections Mr Nottage![/p][/quote]Dear Twynham I have resisted entering a conversation with you but let's be serious It's not over your planning committee friends from the Thomas Tripp will gang up with Jamieson to ensure the only scheme not granted will be Beagles However I have spent the last several weeks preparing for my reasoning on why all of the dirty tricks of the last two years need a JR From Councillors Smiths discussing policy in a pub to Mr Bath tweeting his elation when Beagle was previously turned down and then his mom writing to the editor of the echo lodging her protest to the scheme Just a thought maybe the planning officers have realised what a situation the committee have created by favouritism to Quantum and common sense prevails yes grant them all and let market forces decide as there is only a finite number of shoppers with cars that will visit these stores And it's time for us to start sparring over why England is a great nation and accepts Marxist supporters and gives a voice of free speech to them Beaglesupporter

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