Concerns over plans to turn floor of Bournemouth multi-storey car park into student accommodation

PROPOSAL: The owners of this multi-storey car park want to convert the fifth floor to student accommodation

PROPOSAL: The owners of this multi-storey car park want to convert the fifth floor to student accommodation

First published in News

THIRTY seven new student bedrooms could be built in a town centre multi-storey car park under new plans submitted to Bournemouth council.

The owners of the Glen Fern Road car park want to convert the fifth floor into student accommodation.

But town centre councillors have criticised the plans, saying students ‘deserve better’ than having to live in a converted car park.

The sixth floor and part of the fifth are already used to house students, with 19 bedrooms on the fifth floor and 73 on the sixth.

Owners Glenfern Investment say the fifth floor is rarely used by motorists and would work better as additional student accommodation. A similar application to convert the entire fifth floor was refused in July 2012 because it would reduce the number of parking spaces in the town centre.

This time, they are promising to create extra car parking spaces, primarily on the first floor, to ensure there is no loss of spaces.

Cllr David Smith, who represents the Central ward, said: “As ward councillors we are not supportive of more student accommodation in this location.

“Students deserve a better living environment than having to live on the fifth floor of a converted car park.

“This part of town is in desperate need of redevelopment as the car park and its grounds are unsightly and unattractive.

“It would be far better to demolish the whole car park and work with the council for a more comprehensive development of the whole site.” Glenfern Investment’s planning application states the accommodation was popular with students and there were currently no vacancies in the building.

It added: “The proposed student accommodation use of the fifth floor of the MSCP will ensure that the building remains in use and guarantees an increase in the number of visitors to the area who, in turn, provide surveillance.

“The proposal would have a positive impact on the safety and security of the local area.”

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6:53am Mon 6 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council. BIGTONE
  • Score: 6

7:10am Mon 6 Jan 14

steve518 says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Students don't pay council tax.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Students don't pay council tax. steve518
  • Score: 23

7:18am Mon 6 Jan 14

Baysider says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone. Baysider
  • Score: 9

7:51am Mon 6 Jan 14

High Treason says...

This town is becoming more and more grotty with excessive numbers of students, drug addicts,alcoholics, layabouts and immigrants. The council should use the photo above in their advertising instead of the Photo shopped one they use. Save conning visitors.
This town is becoming more and more grotty with excessive numbers of students, drug addicts,alcoholics, layabouts and immigrants. The council should use the photo above in their advertising instead of the Photo shopped one they use. Save conning visitors. High Treason
  • Score: 20

7:51am Mon 6 Jan 14

tansyblossom says...

I use this car park and its the cheapest parking in town.Nice friendly management team. Your car is safe and locked in at night.The top floor is always empty except for special events in the Town.A very sensible change of use. ..Students bring money and life into the town.Its the short term foreign language students who mainly use this accomodation and there is a new launderette for them on the ground floor.Best of luck for these plans.As for it being an eyesore it just reflects the design of the time.,no better or worse than a lot of Bournemouths buildings..Garage is excellent next door as well.Dont knock it..Utilise it.
I use this car park and its the cheapest parking in town.Nice friendly management team. Your car is safe and locked in at night.The top floor is always empty except for special events in the Town.A very sensible change of use. ..Students bring money and life into the town.Its the short term foreign language students who mainly use this accomodation and there is a new launderette for them on the ground floor.Best of luck for these plans.As for it being an eyesore it just reflects the design of the time.,no better or worse than a lot of Bournemouths buildings..Garage is excellent next door as well.Dont knock it..Utilise it. tansyblossom
  • Score: -4

8:05am Mon 6 Jan 14

High Treason says...

Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.
Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.[/p][/quote]Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders. High Treason
  • Score: 19

8:08am Mon 6 Jan 14

Lord Spring says...

steve518 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Students don't pay council tax.
That's right students don't pay council tax we pay it for them out of government money which is our money not the governments money.
[quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Students don't pay council tax.[/p][/quote]That's right students don't pay council tax we pay it for them out of government money which is our money not the governments money. Lord Spring
  • Score: 10

8:46am Mon 6 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.
Council tax also = extra business rates on use of building,landlord payments on HMO's increase in rents. So the students will end up paying wether they like it or not.

As for planning.....they will keep re-submitting slightly revised plans time and time again until the Council will give in due to not being able to justify the cost of taxpayers money being used to justify their objection.
It's what's known as disproportionate objective.
You clearly have no idea how developers work do you?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.[/p][/quote]Council tax also = extra business rates on use of building,landlord payments on HMO's increase in rents. So the students will end up paying wether they like it or not. As for planning.....they will keep re-submitting slightly revised plans time and time again until the Council will give in due to not being able to justify the cost of taxpayers money being used to justify their objection. It's what's known as disproportionate objective. You clearly have no idea how developers work do you? BIGTONE
  • Score: 7

8:46am Mon 6 Jan 14

Hessenford says...

steve518 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Students don't pay council tax.
They pay rent though.
[quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Students don't pay council tax.[/p][/quote]They pay rent though. Hessenford
  • Score: 6

8:55am Mon 6 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

steve518 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Students don't pay council tax.
Never said the students have to pay Council Tax...
There are a few on here that have Dyslexic selective forum reading.
Must be over 50's
LOL
[quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Students don't pay council tax.[/p][/quote]Never said the students have to pay Council Tax... There are a few on here that have Dyslexic selective forum reading. Must be over 50's LOL BIGTONE
  • Score: -8

9:29am Mon 6 Jan 14

Baysider says...

High Treason wrote:
Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.
Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders.
I presume you have evidence of this sort of corruption within the planning authorities then? Have you presented your evidence to the police or the local authority? Or is it the case that you think you can say whatever you like on the internet and the libel laws don't apply?
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.[/p][/quote]Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders.[/p][/quote]I presume you have evidence of this sort of corruption within the planning authorities then? Have you presented your evidence to the police or the local authority? Or is it the case that you think you can say whatever you like on the internet and the libel laws don't apply? Baysider
  • Score: 0

9:30am Mon 6 Jan 14

skydriver says...

BIGTONE wrote:
steve518 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Students don't pay council tax.
Never said the students have to pay Council Tax...
There are a few on here that have Dyslexic selective forum reading.
Must be over 50's
LOL
Stick to the point and stop getting upset over a minor wording, this forum is not a place to mouth off., maybe for those with perhaps little to do tho?..........
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Students don't pay council tax.[/p][/quote]Never said the students have to pay Council Tax... There are a few on here that have Dyslexic selective forum reading. Must be over 50's LOL[/p][/quote]Stick to the point and stop getting upset over a minor wording, this forum is not a place to mouth off., maybe for those with perhaps little to do tho?.......... skydriver
  • Score: 3

9:32am Mon 6 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

skydriver wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
steve518 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Students don't pay council tax.
Never said the students have to pay Council Tax...
There are a few on here that have Dyslexic selective forum reading.
Must be over 50's
LOL
Stick to the point and stop getting upset over a minor wording, this forum is not a place to mouth off., maybe for those with perhaps little to do tho?..........
Who rattled your cage this morning slyskiver?
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Students don't pay council tax.[/p][/quote]Never said the students have to pay Council Tax... There are a few on here that have Dyslexic selective forum reading. Must be over 50's LOL[/p][/quote]Stick to the point and stop getting upset over a minor wording, this forum is not a place to mouth off., maybe for those with perhaps little to do tho?..........[/p][/quote]Who rattled your cage this morning slyskiver? BIGTONE
  • Score: -3

9:34am Mon 6 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

Baysider wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.
Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders.
I presume you have evidence of this sort of corruption within the planning authorities then? Have you presented your evidence to the police or the local authority? Or is it the case that you think you can say whatever you like on the internet and the libel laws don't apply?
What 5hite are you going on about?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.[/p][/quote]Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders.[/p][/quote]I presume you have evidence of this sort of corruption within the planning authorities then? Have you presented your evidence to the police or the local authority? Or is it the case that you think you can say whatever you like on the internet and the libel laws don't apply?[/p][/quote]What 5hite are you going on about? BIGTONE
  • Score: -3

9:40am Mon 6 Jan 14

madras says...

'students ‘deserve better’ than having to live in a converted car park' - I'm sure it'll be done reasonably and there are plenty of people who would be grateful for reasonable safe and warm accommodation. And wouldn't this free up other accommodation for non-students?
'students ‘deserve better’ than having to live in a converted car park' - I'm sure it'll be done reasonably and there are plenty of people who would be grateful for reasonable safe and warm accommodation. And wouldn't this free up other accommodation for non-students? madras
  • Score: 3

9:46am Mon 6 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

madras wrote:
'students ‘deserve better’ than having to live in a converted car park' - I'm sure it'll be done reasonably and there are plenty of people who would be grateful for reasonable safe and warm accommodation. And wouldn't this free up other accommodation for non-students?
No.....DWP will expand.
[quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: 'students ‘deserve better’ than having to live in a converted car park' - I'm sure it'll be done reasonably and there are plenty of people who would be grateful for reasonable safe and warm accommodation. And wouldn't this free up other accommodation for non-students?[/p][/quote]No.....DWP will expand. BIGTONE
  • Score: -1

10:36am Mon 6 Jan 14

Townee says...

The more student accommodation that is built in the town centre relieves Winton and Charminster and perhaps the greedy landlord would have to sell back to families who were forced out by student no go areas and anti social behaviour.
The more student accommodation that is built in the town centre relieves Winton and Charminster and perhaps the greedy landlord would have to sell back to families who were forced out by student no go areas and anti social behaviour. Townee
  • Score: 8

10:40am Mon 6 Jan 14

High Treason says...

Baysider wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.
Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders.
I presume you have evidence of this sort of corruption within the planning authorities then? Have you presented your evidence to the police or the local authority? Or is it the case that you think you can say whatever you like on the internet and the libel laws don't apply?
What is libelous about what I posted. If the cap fits wear it, the honest people who rule us will nod and probably agree. You only have to look at the expenses scandal of MP's and scratch your head in amazement at some of the planning that is allowed throughout the country.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.[/p][/quote]Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders.[/p][/quote]I presume you have evidence of this sort of corruption within the planning authorities then? Have you presented your evidence to the police or the local authority? Or is it the case that you think you can say whatever you like on the internet and the libel laws don't apply?[/p][/quote]What is libelous about what I posted. If the cap fits wear it, the honest people who rule us will nod and probably agree. You only have to look at the expenses scandal of MP's and scratch your head in amazement at some of the planning that is allowed throughout the country. High Treason
  • Score: 3

10:57am Mon 6 Jan 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

It is high time that all council planning applications are dealt with by an independent body, it is ridiculous that any council can submit plans and pass them themselves.
It is high time that all council planning applications are dealt with by an independent body, it is ridiculous that any council can submit plans and pass them themselves. itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 3

11:44am Mon 6 Jan 14

BmthNewshound says...

When my nephew was at Uni I asked him why he didn't live in purpose built student accommodation and he said it was cheaper for a group of students to rent a house and it was quieter so they could actually study when they needed to. I'd like to know if all of the existing purpose built student accommodation that has sprung up around the town in recent years is fully occupied before more is built. Or like my nephew do Bournemouth students prefer private rentals because they are cheaper ?
.
As part of the Glenfern Road car park has already been converted into student accommodation its hard to see on what basis the council would refuse planning. The council owned surface car park on Glenfern Road has already been earmarked for development, with the privately owned multi-storey planning to reduce the number of parking spaces what impact will this have on the already struggling town centre ?
When my nephew was at Uni I asked him why he didn't live in purpose built student accommodation and he said it was cheaper for a group of students to rent a house and it was quieter so they could actually study when they needed to. I'd like to know if all of the existing purpose built student accommodation that has sprung up around the town in recent years is fully occupied before more is built. Or like my nephew do Bournemouth students prefer private rentals because they are cheaper ? . As part of the Glenfern Road car park has already been converted into student accommodation its hard to see on what basis the council would refuse planning. The council owned surface car park on Glenfern Road has already been earmarked for development, with the privately owned multi-storey planning to reduce the number of parking spaces what impact will this have on the already struggling town centre ? BmthNewshound
  • Score: 4

11:49am Mon 6 Jan 14

Baysider says...

High Treason wrote:
Baysider wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.
Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders.
I presume you have evidence of this sort of corruption within the planning authorities then? Have you presented your evidence to the police or the local authority? Or is it the case that you think you can say whatever you like on the internet and the libel laws don't apply?
What is libelous about what I posted. If the cap fits wear it, the honest people who rule us will nod and probably agree. You only have to look at the expenses scandal of MP's and scratch your head in amazement at some of the planning that is allowed throughout the country.
...er the bit where you say you can get around problems with planning permission by bribing those involved in the decision making process maybe? Would you put your name and address to a letter in The Echo stating that then?
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.[/p][/quote]Being refused planning permission means nothing. A good lawyer, a few words and the waving of brown envelopes works wonders.[/p][/quote]I presume you have evidence of this sort of corruption within the planning authorities then? Have you presented your evidence to the police or the local authority? Or is it the case that you think you can say whatever you like on the internet and the libel laws don't apply?[/p][/quote]What is libelous about what I posted. If the cap fits wear it, the honest people who rule us will nod and probably agree. You only have to look at the expenses scandal of MP's and scratch your head in amazement at some of the planning that is allowed throughout the country.[/p][/quote]...er the bit where you say you can get around problems with planning permission by bribing those involved in the decision making process maybe? Would you put your name and address to a letter in The Echo stating that then? Baysider
  • Score: 0

11:59am Mon 6 Jan 14

Baysider says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.
Council tax also = extra business rates on use of building,landlord payments on HMO's increase in rents. So the students will end up paying wether they like it or not.

As for planning.....they will keep re-submitting slightly revised plans time and time again until the Council will give in due to not being able to justify the cost of taxpayers money being used to justify their objection.
It's what's known as disproportionate objective.
You clearly have no idea how developers work do you?
So having a starting point of criticising the council for allowing plans to get permission because they are 'money grabbing' you're NOW stating that eventually they will give in, in order to save the taxpayer any more money. Money spent objecting against the permission you initially said would be granted because the council will do anything for money.

You haven't really thought this through have you Tone...
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Given they've already been knocked back in planning permission before and don't look like they will get it again from the article...I'd suggest you're talking out of your bigbackside Tone.[/p][/quote]Council tax also = extra business rates on use of building,landlord payments on HMO's increase in rents. So the students will end up paying wether they like it or not. As for planning.....they will keep re-submitting slightly revised plans time and time again until the Council will give in due to not being able to justify the cost of taxpayers money being used to justify their objection. It's what's known as disproportionate objective. You clearly have no idea how developers work do you?[/p][/quote]So having a starting point of criticising the council for allowing plans to get permission because they are 'money grabbing' you're NOW stating that eventually they will give in, in order to save the taxpayer any more money. Money spent objecting against the permission you initially said would be granted because the council will do anything for money. You haven't really thought this through have you Tone... Baysider
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Mon 6 Jan 14

speedy231278 says...

madras wrote:
'students ‘deserve better’ than having to live in a converted car park' - I'm sure it'll be done reasonably and there are plenty of people who would be grateful for reasonable safe and warm accommodation. And wouldn't this free up other accommodation for non-students?
And other local residents deserve better than the state of the place after the students have been out on the lash and turned the town into a litter and vomit covered craphole every weekend!
[quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: 'students ‘deserve better’ than having to live in a converted car park' - I'm sure it'll be done reasonably and there are plenty of people who would be grateful for reasonable safe and warm accommodation. And wouldn't this free up other accommodation for non-students?[/p][/quote]And other local residents deserve better than the state of the place after the students have been out on the lash and turned the town into a litter and vomit covered craphole every weekend! speedy231278
  • Score: 4

1:58pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Chiqqy says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
When my nephew was at Uni I asked him why he didn't live in purpose built student accommodation and he said it was cheaper for a group of students to rent a house and it was quieter so they could actually study when they needed to. I'd like to know if all of the existing purpose built student accommodation that has sprung up around the town in recent years is fully occupied before more is built. Or like my nephew do Bournemouth students prefer private rentals because they are cheaper ?
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As part of the Glenfern Road car park has already been converted into student accommodation its hard to see on what basis the council would refuse planning. The council owned surface car park on Glenfern Road has already been earmarked for development, with the privately owned multi-storey planning to reduce the number of parking spaces what impact will this have on the already struggling town centre ?
Part of the car park hasn't already been converted they just made the existing former Outlook Hotel on top of it into student accommodation.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: When my nephew was at Uni I asked him why he didn't live in purpose built student accommodation and he said it was cheaper for a group of students to rent a house and it was quieter so they could actually study when they needed to. I'd like to know if all of the existing purpose built student accommodation that has sprung up around the town in recent years is fully occupied before more is built. Or like my nephew do Bournemouth students prefer private rentals because they are cheaper ? . As part of the Glenfern Road car park has already been converted into student accommodation its hard to see on what basis the council would refuse planning. The council owned surface car park on Glenfern Road has already been earmarked for development, with the privately owned multi-storey planning to reduce the number of parking spaces what impact will this have on the already struggling town centre ?[/p][/quote]Part of the car park hasn't already been converted they just made the existing former Outlook Hotel on top of it into student accommodation. Chiqqy
  • Score: 3

2:25pm Mon 6 Jan 14

rozmister says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
When my nephew was at Uni I asked him why he didn't live in purpose built student accommodation and he said it was cheaper for a group of students to rent a house and it was quieter so they could actually study when they needed to. I'd like to know if all of the existing purpose built student accommodation that has sprung up around the town in recent years is fully occupied before more is built. Or like my nephew do Bournemouth students prefer private rentals because they are cheaper ? . As part of the Glenfern Road car park has already been converted into student accommodation its hard to see on what basis the council would refuse planning. The council owned surface car park on Glenfern Road has already been earmarked for development, with the privately owned multi-storey planning to reduce the number of parking spaces what impact will this have on the already struggling town centre ?
All Bournemouth university managed accommodation is occupied. That's why they keep building more, the university struggles to house all the first years that join the uni each year. When I was a fresher they had students in uni lets & private lets because they couldn't get halls and there was still a halls waiting list as well! I'm not sure what the set up is with Glenfern, if they are taking the uni's surplus students each year or completely private. When I started at Bournemouth they weren't nice!

I went in to private accommodation after the first year and it was cheaper but both halls and private rentals have their advantages and disadvantages. Halls include all the bills in the cost usually (so no nasty surprises), there's always someone on hand to come and help if something goes wrong or breaks and they're normally centrally located.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: When my nephew was at Uni I asked him why he didn't live in purpose built student accommodation and he said it was cheaper for a group of students to rent a house and it was quieter so they could actually study when they needed to. I'd like to know if all of the existing purpose built student accommodation that has sprung up around the town in recent years is fully occupied before more is built. Or like my nephew do Bournemouth students prefer private rentals because they are cheaper ? . As part of the Glenfern Road car park has already been converted into student accommodation its hard to see on what basis the council would refuse planning. The council owned surface car park on Glenfern Road has already been earmarked for development, with the privately owned multi-storey planning to reduce the number of parking spaces what impact will this have on the already struggling town centre ?[/p][/quote]All Bournemouth university managed accommodation is occupied. That's why they keep building more, the university struggles to house all the first years that join the uni each year. When I was a fresher they had students in uni lets & private lets because they couldn't get halls and there was still a halls waiting list as well! I'm not sure what the set up is with Glenfern, if they are taking the uni's surplus students each year or completely private. When I started at Bournemouth they weren't nice! I went in to private accommodation after the first year and it was cheaper but both halls and private rentals have their advantages and disadvantages. Halls include all the bills in the cost usually (so no nasty surprises), there's always someone on hand to come and help if something goes wrong or breaks and they're normally centrally located. rozmister
  • Score: 2

4:21pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Gastines3 says...

Perhaps one day The Council and Planning officers will realise that Bournemouth relies on the students to keep the majority of the local business's solvent.The days of the wealthy holiday makers have long gone as can be shown by the lack of quality retailers opening any stores in the town. As the town now needs the student income and so many rely on the offshoot in the form of service work and rental income,hopefully the Council can start thinking for the future instead of the past.
Perhaps one day The Council and Planning officers will realise that Bournemouth relies on the students to keep the majority of the local business's solvent.The days of the wealthy holiday makers have long gone as can be shown by the lack of quality retailers opening any stores in the town. As the town now needs the student income and so many rely on the offshoot in the form of service work and rental income,hopefully the Council can start thinking for the future instead of the past. Gastines3
  • Score: 1

6:51pm Mon 6 Jan 14

O'Reilly says...

Maybe some entrepreneur can revive "The Outlook".....for the students of course.
Maybe some entrepreneur can revive "The Outlook".....for the students of course. O'Reilly
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Mon 6 Jan 14

UrbanCrab says...

When I first saw this I thought it was part of Beesley's Master Vision for Bournemouth.

i.e. Turning Carparks into substandard housing.

Guess someone else is trying to cash in for a quick buck too....
When I first saw this I thought it was part of Beesley's Master Vision for Bournemouth. i.e. Turning Carparks into substandard housing. Guess someone else is trying to cash in for a quick buck too.... UrbanCrab
  • Score: 1

12:04am Tue 7 Jan 14

rozmister says...

speedy231278 wrote:
madras wrote:
'students ‘deserve better’ than having to live in a converted car park' - I'm sure it'll be done reasonably and there are plenty of people who would be grateful for reasonable safe and warm accommodation. And wouldn't this free up other accommodation for non-students?
And other local residents deserve better than the state of the place after the students have been out on the lash and turned the town into a litter and vomit covered craphole every weekend!
Students don't generally go out on the weekend they go out on week nights when its dirt cheap. Why would they pay about £5 a drink on the weekend when they can go to the same clubs and pay less than half that on a weeknight?!?!

The people making the streets look awful every weekend are locals and stag & hen dos. If you're upset about it look closer to home!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: 'students ‘deserve better’ than having to live in a converted car park' - I'm sure it'll be done reasonably and there are plenty of people who would be grateful for reasonable safe and warm accommodation. And wouldn't this free up other accommodation for non-students?[/p][/quote]And other local residents deserve better than the state of the place after the students have been out on the lash and turned the town into a litter and vomit covered craphole every weekend![/p][/quote]Students don't generally go out on the weekend they go out on week nights when its dirt cheap. Why would they pay about £5 a drink on the weekend when they can go to the same clubs and pay less than half that on a weeknight?!?! The people making the streets look awful every weekend are locals and stag & hen dos. If you're upset about it look closer to home! rozmister
  • Score: 1

11:44am Tue 7 Jan 14

Mike R-B says...

Ah ! a great idea for the Castlepoint lower level too !
Ah ! a great idea for the Castlepoint lower level too ! Mike R-B
  • Score: 1

12:15pm Tue 7 Jan 14

tierney1920 says...

What everyone is failing to understand in the human side of this issue. What new foreign students require is safety. They arrive in the country nervous and fearful. The accommodation at this location employs high security and the students feel safe - most of the schools they attend are also located around the corner from the accommodation, less than a minute's walk. The town also benefits from increased trade in the process. The car park will also never be fully converted into student accommodation - it is too popular with local workers who find the cheapest parking rates in the town centre. The issue is only the fifth floor of the car park which is rarely, if ever, occupied. The accommodation is always full and many students refused accommodation because there are no rooms available. Whether you like the influx of foreign students to the town centre or not, what is required at all times is the safety of these young people who come here to learn our language to make a better life for themselves. Denying them such an opportunity is nothing but ignorance.
What everyone is failing to understand in the human side of this issue. What new foreign students require is safety. They arrive in the country nervous and fearful. The accommodation at this location employs high security and the students feel safe - most of the schools they attend are also located around the corner from the accommodation, less than a minute's walk. The town also benefits from increased trade in the process. The car park will also never be fully converted into student accommodation - it is too popular with local workers who find the cheapest parking rates in the town centre. The issue is only the fifth floor of the car park which is rarely, if ever, occupied. The accommodation is always full and many students refused accommodation because there are no rooms available. Whether you like the influx of foreign students to the town centre or not, what is required at all times is the safety of these young people who come here to learn our language to make a better life for themselves. Denying them such an opportunity is nothing but ignorance. tierney1920
  • Score: 1

12:29pm Tue 7 Jan 14

tierney1920 says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so. tierney1920
  • Score: 1

1:08pm Tue 7 Jan 14

rozmister says...

tierney1920 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so.
Has the accommodation been refurbished then? I'm not being facetious I'm generally curious. The last time I was in there was a few years ago when it was being used for Uni students and wasn't in very good condition.
[quote][p][bold]tierney1920[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so.[/p][/quote]Has the accommodation been refurbished then? I'm not being facetious I'm generally curious. The last time I was in there was a few years ago when it was being used for Uni students and wasn't in very good condition. rozmister
  • Score: 1

2:03pm Tue 7 Jan 14

tierney1920 says...

rozmister wrote:
tierney1920 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so.
Has the accommodation been refurbished then? I'm not being facetious I'm generally curious. The last time I was in there was a few years ago when it was being used for Uni students and wasn't in very good condition.
Yes - the accommodation was taken over by new owners in 2009 and during the latter part of that year refurbished to a very high standard. The previous owners let the place practically rot and should be ashamed of themselves, and I wouldn't have let my pet rats live there (not that I have any pet rats). It's now international students only as the accommodation caters for the language schools located nearby. If you went there during the previous owner's tenure you would be highly shocked at the new facilities that exist today.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tierney1920[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so.[/p][/quote]Has the accommodation been refurbished then? I'm not being facetious I'm generally curious. The last time I was in there was a few years ago when it was being used for Uni students and wasn't in very good condition.[/p][/quote]Yes - the accommodation was taken over by new owners in 2009 and during the latter part of that year refurbished to a very high standard. The previous owners let the place practically rot and should be ashamed of themselves, and I wouldn't have let my pet rats live there (not that I have any pet rats). It's now international students only as the accommodation caters for the language schools located nearby. If you went there during the previous owner's tenure you would be highly shocked at the new facilities that exist today. tierney1920
  • Score: 2

2:06pm Tue 7 Jan 14

tierney1920 says...

tierney1920 wrote:
rozmister wrote:
tierney1920 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so.
Has the accommodation been refurbished then? I'm not being facetious I'm generally curious. The last time I was in there was a few years ago when it was being used for Uni students and wasn't in very good condition.
Yes - the accommodation was taken over by new owners in 2009 and during the latter part of that year refurbished to a very high standard. The previous owners let the place practically rot and should be ashamed of themselves, and I wouldn't have let my pet rats live there (not that I have any pet rats). It's now international students only as the accommodation caters for the language schools located nearby. If you went there during the previous owner's tenure you would be highly shocked at the new facilities that exist today.
Sorry, I meant 2010.
[quote][p][bold]tierney1920[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tierney1920[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so.[/p][/quote]Has the accommodation been refurbished then? I'm not being facetious I'm generally curious. The last time I was in there was a few years ago when it was being used for Uni students and wasn't in very good condition.[/p][/quote]Yes - the accommodation was taken over by new owners in 2009 and during the latter part of that year refurbished to a very high standard. The previous owners let the place practically rot and should be ashamed of themselves, and I wouldn't have let my pet rats live there (not that I have any pet rats). It's now international students only as the accommodation caters for the language schools located nearby. If you went there during the previous owner's tenure you would be highly shocked at the new facilities that exist today.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I meant 2010. tierney1920
  • Score: 1

5:43pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Azphreal says...

'A similar application to convert the entire fifth floor was refused in July 2012 because it would reduce the number of parking spaces in the town centre.' They may think that as the council are selling off the carparks left,right and centre they will have more chance and i do not think the council can complain about the lose of spaces with what they have been doing.
'A similar application to convert the entire fifth floor was refused in July 2012 because it would reduce the number of parking spaces in the town centre.' They may think that as the council are selling off the carparks left,right and centre they will have more chance and i do not think the council can complain about the lose of spaces with what they have been doing. Azphreal
  • Score: 0

12:17am Wed 8 Jan 14

rozmister says...

tierney1920 wrote:
rozmister wrote:
tierney1920 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so.
Has the accommodation been refurbished then? I'm not being facetious I'm generally curious. The last time I was in there was a few years ago when it was being used for Uni students and wasn't in very good condition.
Yes - the accommodation was taken over by new owners in 2009 and during the latter part of that year refurbished to a very high standard. The previous owners let the place practically rot and should be ashamed of themselves, and I wouldn't have let my pet rats live there (not that I have any pet rats). It's now international students only as the accommodation caters for the language schools located nearby. If you went there during the previous owner's tenure you would be highly shocked at the new facilities that exist today.
That's interesting to know thank you! I would have been there in 2008/2009 which feels like yesterday but was a few years ago now. It was a grim and I can remember us joking at the time that it was the worst halls to have to live in (my friends were placed there as overspill when the uni-managed accommodation was full) so it's good to hear it's been done up.
[quote][p][bold]tierney1920[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tierney1920[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]The rest of the car park will never be converted into accommodation. The car park is extremely popular with local workers who find the cheapest rates in the town centre. And these room are not "rabbit hutches". The accommodation is well looked-after with nice rooms and communal areas, and also high security to ensure the safety of the students. The building might not look great from the outside, but people should never judge the proverbial book by its cover. You've obviously never been there, so please don't make such ridiculous comments without having the knowledge to do so.[/p][/quote]Has the accommodation been refurbished then? I'm not being facetious I'm generally curious. The last time I was in there was a few years ago when it was being used for Uni students and wasn't in very good condition.[/p][/quote]Yes - the accommodation was taken over by new owners in 2009 and during the latter part of that year refurbished to a very high standard. The previous owners let the place practically rot and should be ashamed of themselves, and I wouldn't have let my pet rats live there (not that I have any pet rats). It's now international students only as the accommodation caters for the language schools located nearby. If you went there during the previous owner's tenure you would be highly shocked at the new facilities that exist today.[/p][/quote]That's interesting to know thank you! I would have been there in 2008/2009 which feels like yesterday but was a few years ago now. It was a grim and I can remember us joking at the time that it was the worst halls to have to live in (my friends were placed there as overspill when the uni-managed accommodation was full) so it's good to hear it's been done up. rozmister
  • Score: 0

10:18am Wed 8 Jan 14

Bugzy84 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
steve518 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice!

Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.
Students don't pay council tax.
That's right students don't pay council tax we pay it for them out of government money which is our money not the governments money.
yes we are paying for the next generations education, like how the generation before you paid for your education?
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once they have a third of the building it will be easy to get the rest converted thereafter. That would be something to look forward to....over 400 rabbit hutches.....how nice! Still.....Extra Council tax will win the day for this desperate money grabbing Council.[/p][/quote]Students don't pay council tax.[/p][/quote]That's right students don't pay council tax we pay it for them out of government money which is our money not the governments money.[/p][/quote]yes we are paying for the next generations education, like how the generation before you paid for your education? Bugzy84
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