‘Let’s not chase investors away from the outset’ - warning ahead of Poole’s meeting over Crown Estate marina bid

Bournemouth Echo: OPEN-MINDED: Cllr Xena Dion warns against being hostile to opportunities at Poole Quay OPEN-MINDED: Cllr Xena Dion warns against being hostile to opportunities at Poole Quay

POOLE must not give the impression it is “openly hostile” to business, and chase off investment opportunities.

These fears were raised by Cllr Xena Dion, cabinet portfolio holder for the local economy, pictured inset, responding to Borough of Poole proposals to discuss the furore over the Crown Estate and rival marina bids for the quay, at a meeting of the economy overview and scrutiny committee on January 23.

“To chase off like bulldogs any hint of investment before any plans or investment has a chance to move forward will soon get us a reputation for being not only closed to business but openly hostile,” she said.

“Of course there has to be a sympathetic approach and effective planning controls, but let’s not chase investors away from the outset.”

Cllr Brian Clements, chairman of the economy overview and scrutiny committee, said they should make sure: “That we have all of the relevant policies in place to ensure that any future development is appropriate to Poole’s needs.

“Among other things, I would like to seek assurance that there is adequate protection for the strategic view from Poole Quay and that the various local interests are safeguarded. Its status as a conservation area is also significant,” he said.

A meeting is due to be held between the council and the Crown Estate, whose announcement that it had chosen MDL’s proposed marina over Poole Harbour Commissioners caused uproar when it emerged it included a bridge and road into the harbour for a car park.

MDL has said it will be consulting over its proposals, while Poole Harbour Commissioners has spent two years seeking views on its plans.

Poole Heritage Group is the latest to express concern at what is known of MDL’s proposal. Chairman Michael Stanley-Brown said they were prepared to go to the EU courts if necessary.

“Poole harbour is sacrosanct, not for sale whatever the price so, be forewarned you have a serious fight ahead,” he said.

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12:25pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Ebb Tide says...

What a splendid motto : "Poole is open for business" It is trusted that none of us ever forget it whilst remembering to protect, reinstate and improve our environment.

Congratulations to Cllr Dion for again managing to give the impression of misunderstanding the fundamental issues.

The excitement amongst some of the environment-respecti
ng community of Poole over the holiday period had something to do with reported intentions of a local landlord and not any developer.

Hopefully the developer concerned respects the need to do things properly and, after the efforts of so many, hopefully the local landlord involved (The Crown Estate Commissioners acting in accordance with relevant legislation) also are aware of what Poole expects by way of seemly behaviour.

If criticism is warranted then it should be directed to the report of the news that Crown Estates were going to make their decision by 14th January - it being crucial to remember that no decision made by the Crown Estate Commissioners can be questioned !

Not only is Poole open for business but some are obviously awake to the risks of hasty uninformed decision making.
What a splendid motto : "Poole is open for business" It is trusted that none of us ever forget it whilst remembering to protect, reinstate and improve our environment. Congratulations to Cllr Dion for again managing to give the impression of misunderstanding the fundamental issues. The excitement amongst some of the environment-respecti ng community of Poole over the holiday period had something to do with reported intentions of a local landlord and not any developer. Hopefully the developer concerned respects the need to do things properly and, after the efforts of so many, hopefully the local landlord involved (The Crown Estate Commissioners acting in accordance with relevant legislation) also are aware of what Poole expects by way of seemly behaviour. If criticism is warranted then it should be directed to the report of the news that Crown Estates were going to make their decision by 14th January - it being crucial to remember that no decision made by the Crown Estate Commissioners can be questioned ! Not only is Poole open for business but some are obviously awake to the risks of hasty uninformed decision making. Ebb Tide

1:01pm Fri 3 Jan 14

sea poole says...

Cllr Dion -You have a unique quality -it's called human 'foot and mouth disease' -you open your mouth and put your foot in it!
Noone is advocating chasing off investment for Poole -it's the cack-handed way the current issue has been handled . To have a 'closed' meeting by a probable preferred bidder, with no plans on show and suggestions that 14 Jan was the deadline for preferred bidder to be announced, for Crown estates to display crass arrogance insofar as it doesn't have to have public consultation- that's what's upset people, Cllr Dion -NOT chasing potential investors...don't you even understand that -or is it the world according to Xena...?
Cllr Dion -You have a unique quality -it's called human 'foot and mouth disease' -you open your mouth and put your foot in it! Noone is advocating chasing off investment for Poole -it's the cack-handed way the current issue has been handled . To have a 'closed' meeting by a probable preferred bidder, with no plans on show and suggestions that 14 Jan was the deadline for preferred bidder to be announced, for Crown estates to display crass arrogance insofar as it doesn't have to have public consultation- that's what's upset people, Cllr Dion -NOT chasing potential investors...don't you even understand that -or is it the world according to Xena...? sea poole

1:11pm Fri 3 Jan 14

adspacebroker says...

The only issues that are clearly apparent are those individuals in Poole who have difficulty with change.....once again! I firmly understand and agree that the interests of all parties should be considered however any progress should not be to the detriment of the future economic development of Poole. Things are actually starting to move in the right direction which can only have a positive impact on business, employment and the local economy.

I think that we should feel proud that a business that is clearly an expert in it's field of marina development wishes to take the bit between the teeth and invest in our town. The stench of sour grapes are coming from PHC who are more than disappointed that they may be pipped at the post thinking the prize is theirs! They need to understand that if Crown Estates have a preferred bidder then they view it as an internal interest irrelevant of who that bidder is.

The hype that PHC are causing when they haven't even seen the plans (because MDL have not released them yet) is irresponsible and to start geeing up local businesses, organisations and residents at their recent meetings telling them that their businesses are at risk are simply inexcusable.

I have no doubt that an expert marina developer would be considering any environmental impact of their development as would Crown Estates so, Mr Stanley-Brown, stop insulting the intelligence of others including those of us who are looking at the bigger picture and the future of our town and harbour.
The only issues that are clearly apparent are those individuals in Poole who have difficulty with change.....once again! I firmly understand and agree that the interests of all parties should be considered however any progress should not be to the detriment of the future economic development of Poole. Things are actually starting to move in the right direction which can only have a positive impact on business, employment and the local economy. I think that we should feel proud that a business that is clearly an expert in it's field of marina development wishes to take the bit between the teeth and invest in our town. The stench of sour grapes are coming from PHC who are more than disappointed that they may be pipped at the post thinking the prize is theirs! They need to understand that if Crown Estates have a preferred bidder then they view it as an internal interest irrelevant of who that bidder is. The hype that PHC are causing when they haven't even seen the plans (because MDL have not released them yet) is irresponsible and to start geeing up local businesses, organisations and residents at their recent meetings telling them that their businesses are at risk are simply inexcusable. I have no doubt that an expert marina developer would be considering any environmental impact of their development as would Crown Estates so, Mr Stanley-Brown, stop insulting the intelligence of others including those of us who are looking at the bigger picture and the future of our town and harbour. adspacebroker

1:36pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Ebb Tide says...

adspacebroker wrote:
The only issues that are clearly apparent are those individuals in Poole who have difficulty with change.....once again! I firmly understand and agree that the interests of all parties should be considered however any progress should not be to the detriment of the future economic development of Poole. Things are actually starting to move in the right direction which can only have a positive impact on business, employment and the local economy.

I think that we should feel proud that a business that is clearly an expert in it's field of marina development wishes to take the bit between the teeth and invest in our town. The stench of sour grapes are coming from PHC who are more than disappointed that they may be pipped at the post thinking the prize is theirs! They need to understand that if Crown Estates have a preferred bidder then they view it as an internal interest irrelevant of who that bidder is.

The hype that PHC are causing when they haven't even seen the plans (because MDL have not released them yet) is irresponsible and to start geeing up local businesses, organisations and residents at their recent meetings telling them that their businesses are at risk are simply inexcusable.

I have no doubt that an expert marina developer would be considering any environmental impact of their development as would Crown Estates so, Mr Stanley-Brown, stop insulting the intelligence of others including those of us who are looking at the bigger picture and the future of our town and harbour.
How does the stance implicit in your contribution comply with openness and transparency within the spirit of "localism" that our Councillors have been considering since the relevant report was produced for them last year ?

It is suspected that "developments" (irrespective of their good, bad or indifferent qualities) at any cost or effect could be implemented with such an approach that could easily confuse "change" with "progress".

Unaffordable wind turbines (striking at the economic competitiveness of UK plc) is an example of a 'change' that will not produce 'progress' either for planetary warming or for the ability of UK plc to earn a living in an increasingly competitive world market.
[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: The only issues that are clearly apparent are those individuals in Poole who have difficulty with change.....once again! I firmly understand and agree that the interests of all parties should be considered however any progress should not be to the detriment of the future economic development of Poole. Things are actually starting to move in the right direction which can only have a positive impact on business, employment and the local economy. I think that we should feel proud that a business that is clearly an expert in it's field of marina development wishes to take the bit between the teeth and invest in our town. The stench of sour grapes are coming from PHC who are more than disappointed that they may be pipped at the post thinking the prize is theirs! They need to understand that if Crown Estates have a preferred bidder then they view it as an internal interest irrelevant of who that bidder is. The hype that PHC are causing when they haven't even seen the plans (because MDL have not released them yet) is irresponsible and to start geeing up local businesses, organisations and residents at their recent meetings telling them that their businesses are at risk are simply inexcusable. I have no doubt that an expert marina developer would be considering any environmental impact of their development as would Crown Estates so, Mr Stanley-Brown, stop insulting the intelligence of others including those of us who are looking at the bigger picture and the future of our town and harbour.[/p][/quote]How does the stance implicit in your contribution comply with openness and transparency within the spirit of "localism" that our Councillors have been considering since the relevant report was produced for them last year ? It is suspected that "developments" (irrespective of their good, bad or indifferent qualities) at any cost or effect could be implemented with such an approach that could easily confuse "change" with "progress". Unaffordable wind turbines (striking at the economic competitiveness of UK plc) is an example of a 'change' that will not produce 'progress' either for planetary warming or for the ability of UK plc to earn a living in an increasingly competitive world market. Ebb Tide

1:58pm Fri 3 Jan 14

sea poole says...

Yep, asspacebroker, things are moving in the right direction -with the possibility of a car-park in the middle of Poole harbour -just what is needed to reinforce that 'Poole is a beautiful place.' Wonder how it would fare in today's weather!
Yep, asspacebroker, things are moving in the right direction -with the possibility of a car-park in the middle of Poole harbour -just what is needed to reinforce that 'Poole is a beautiful place.' Wonder how it would fare in today's weather! sea poole

3:49pm Fri 3 Jan 14

BmthNewshound says...

Its not that the public are "openly hostile" to business it that people are "openly hostile" to incompetent Councillors who appear to constantly side with the interests of profits for the few ahead of what is best for the towns they are elected to represent.
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We should openly welcome investment in Dorset, goodness knows the county needs it, but that shouldn't be at the expense of open and honest governance.
Its not that the public are "openly hostile" to business it that people are "openly hostile" to incompetent Councillors who appear to constantly side with the interests of profits for the few ahead of what is best for the towns they are elected to represent. . We should openly welcome investment in Dorset, goodness knows the county needs it, but that shouldn't be at the expense of open and honest governance. BmthNewshound

4:19pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Ebb Tide says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Its not that the public are "openly hostile" to business it that people are "openly hostile" to incompetent Councillors who appear to constantly side with the interests of profits for the few ahead of what is best for the towns they are elected to represent.
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We should openly welcome investment in Dorset, goodness knows the county needs it, but that shouldn't be at the expense of open and honest governance.
Not forgetting the common enough ploy of trying to bury something ('try something on') whilst the public and Councillors are involved with something more interesting. Local landlords need to be reminded that "public engagement" requires them to behave properly - especially landlords controlled by a specific Act of Parliament requiring proper behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Its not that the public are "openly hostile" to business it that people are "openly hostile" to incompetent Councillors who appear to constantly side with the interests of profits for the few ahead of what is best for the towns they are elected to represent. . We should openly welcome investment in Dorset, goodness knows the county needs it, but that shouldn't be at the expense of open and honest governance.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting the common enough ploy of trying to bury something ('try something on') whilst the public and Councillors are involved with something more interesting. Local landlords need to be reminded that "public engagement" requires them to behave properly - especially landlords controlled by a specific Act of Parliament requiring proper behaviour. Ebb Tide

5:44pm Fri 3 Jan 14

lilliputian says...

The incompetence and inability of Cllr Dion to understand the democratic process appears to know no limits. The 'anything for potential profit' mentality is so at odds with her responsibilities to look after the broader interests of those she was elected to represent should mean that she should seriously consider her position (I know...not a chance of leaving the 'gravy train'). Perhaps it would be pertinent to ask what are this woman's qualifications and experience in business or environmental issues?
The incompetence and inability of Cllr Dion to understand the democratic process appears to know no limits. The 'anything for potential profit' mentality is so at odds with her responsibilities to look after the broader interests of those she was elected to represent should mean that she should seriously consider her position (I know...not a chance of leaving the 'gravy train'). Perhaps it would be pertinent to ask what are this woman's qualifications and experience in business or environmental issues? lilliputian

1:42pm Sat 4 Jan 14

adspacebroker says...

I really don't know what all the fuss is about because at present there is nothing to discuss. The MDL plans have not been made public, PHC are just hyping everyone up with the smell of sour grapes, Crown Estates have not awarded anything to anybody yet and Poole Council are jumping the gun for the first time in it's history!
I really don't know what all the fuss is about because at present there is nothing to discuss. The MDL plans have not been made public, PHC are just hyping everyone up with the smell of sour grapes, Crown Estates have not awarded anything to anybody yet and Poole Council are jumping the gun for the first time in it's history! adspacebroker

8:02pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Crinkly says...

MDL want to build a car park in Poole Harbour, a site of Special Scientific Interest.
Ms Dion, is there any arguement to support this?
MDL want to build a car park in Poole Harbour, a site of Special Scientific Interest. Ms Dion, is there any arguement to support this? Crinkly

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