Bournemouth council reveals sites for affordable housing developments

Bournemouth Echo: VIEW: A panorama of the Leyton Mount development in the town centre VIEW: A panorama of the Leyton Mount development in the town centre

BOURNEMOUTH council has revealed several sites where it is looking to build new housing developments of affordable homes.

A maximum of 132 flats and houses could be built on Palmerston Road car park and land at Cambridge Road, Surrey Road and Crescent Road in the Westbourne area.

The council has around £24million to invest after joining forces with Legal and General Property, who are planning to invest up to £300m in the town over the next 10 to 15 years.

The plans for the first phase of investment include building new aff-ordable housing, building a new two-storey cafe or rest-aurant at Durley Chine and building a 60-bed mixed Dementia Care scheme.

The council will also look to buy up to 64 of the flats currently being built at Leyton Mount, if they can get them at the right price.

Potential purchasers could then be offered first-time buyer mortgages through the Bank of Bournemouth, currently being set up by the council.

A report that will go before cabinet mem-bers next Wed-nesday states: “The proposed sites were shortlisted for consideration because they are within the freehold ownership of the council and their development will have a minimal revenue impact.

“Whilst these proposed sites may have specific development issues to overcome it is considered these were not insurmountable and that they can be developed within the project timeframe.”

Bournemouth council leader John Beesley said: “This is an innovative, collaborative approach to accelerate Bournemouth Borough Council’s investment in the community.

“Housing is a priority for us, and that is why we are recommending to cabinet that a significant proportion of the initial programme of investment from Legal and General Property Ltd is spent on increasing desperately needed affordable housing stock in the borough.”

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6:54am Tue 17 Dec 13

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

An obvious target has got to be 'jobsworth towers'! Turn the town hall into social housing and relocate our councillors and jobsworths to Elliot Road.
An obvious target has got to be 'jobsworth towers'! Turn the town hall into social housing and relocate our councillors and jobsworths to Elliot Road. The-Bleeding-Obvious

8:36am Tue 17 Dec 13

Anneaa says...

Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!!
Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!! Anneaa

9:00am Tue 17 Dec 13

Ralph Horris says...

Open the NIMBY floodgates..........
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Open the NIMBY floodgates.......... . Ralph Horris

9:06am Tue 17 Dec 13

Baysider says...

Anneaa wrote:
Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!!
Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous.

Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this.

I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition.
[quote][p][bold]Anneaa[/bold] wrote: Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!![/p][/quote]Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous. Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this. I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition. Baysider

9:07am Tue 17 Dec 13

Chris@Bmouth says...

132 houses and flats is hardly something to write home about. Look at annual growth (plus out of control immigration) figures versus that.
132 houses and flats is hardly something to write home about. Look at annual growth (plus out of control immigration) figures versus that. Chris@Bmouth

9:14am Tue 17 Dec 13

Townee says...

132 flats for social housing = loads of kids = anti social behaviour. They need houses not flats
132 flats for social housing = loads of kids = anti social behaviour. They need houses not flats Townee

9:23am Tue 17 Dec 13

mark.s says...

Another car park going. We need some parking somewhere in the entire town!
Another car park going. We need some parking somewhere in the entire town! mark.s

9:43am Tue 17 Dec 13

Gastines3 says...

At least something might be happening in the 'Affordable' housing market.Desperately needed in the local area given the minimum wage level prelevant in the town.Just hoping the work goes to local based Contractors for a change that should bring work + income that stays in the town. Hopefully the Echo will be able to keep tabs on these schemes.
At least something might be happening in the 'Affordable' housing market.Desperately needed in the local area given the minimum wage level prelevant in the town.Just hoping the work goes to local based Contractors for a change that should bring work + income that stays in the town. Hopefully the Echo will be able to keep tabs on these schemes. Gastines3

10:32am Tue 17 Dec 13

hrryseccombe says...

Oh great, let's cram more and more units into Boscombe, whilst people are dying in unfit for purpose damp bedsits subsidised by generous housing benefit. You have to look at the infrastructure if you wish to keep increasing the housing stock, boscombes infrastructure is not coping. Use boscombes money to buy rundown Hmo's and convert back to flats and houses for families. Redress the housing balance and improve the infrastructure before mindlessly building. Does no-one at the council have a clue about social planning, or is it just a free for all?
Oh great, let's cram more and more units into Boscombe, whilst people are dying in unfit for purpose damp bedsits subsidised by generous housing benefit. You have to look at the infrastructure if you wish to keep increasing the housing stock, boscombes infrastructure is not coping. Use boscombes money to buy rundown Hmo's and convert back to flats and houses for families. Redress the housing balance and improve the infrastructure before mindlessly building. Does no-one at the council have a clue about social planning, or is it just a free for all? hrryseccombe

10:48am Tue 17 Dec 13

onetimeapathetic says...

hrryseccombe wrote:
Oh great, let's cram more and more units into Boscombe, whilst people are dying in unfit for purpose damp bedsits subsidised by generous housing benefit. You have to look at the infrastructure if you wish to keep increasing the housing stock, boscombes infrastructure is not coping. Use boscombes money to buy rundown Hmo's and convert back to flats and houses for families. Redress the housing balance and improve the infrastructure before mindlessly building. Does no-one at the council have a clue about social planning, or is it just a free for all?
I agree with the above. Palmerston Road is bad enough as it is without bringing more affordable housing there. How about a couple of compulsory purchase orders on overly large properties in Queens Park or Talbot Woods and put them there. The Bournemouth middle classes certainly wouldnt like that.
Plenty of room as well near Littledown to do a similar thing!!
[quote][p][bold]hrryseccombe[/bold] wrote: Oh great, let's cram more and more units into Boscombe, whilst people are dying in unfit for purpose damp bedsits subsidised by generous housing benefit. You have to look at the infrastructure if you wish to keep increasing the housing stock, boscombes infrastructure is not coping. Use boscombes money to buy rundown Hmo's and convert back to flats and houses for families. Redress the housing balance and improve the infrastructure before mindlessly building. Does no-one at the council have a clue about social planning, or is it just a free for all?[/p][/quote]I agree with the above. Palmerston Road is bad enough as it is without bringing more affordable housing there. How about a couple of compulsory purchase orders on overly large properties in Queens Park or Talbot Woods and put them there. The Bournemouth middle classes certainly wouldnt like that. Plenty of room as well near Littledown to do a similar thing!! onetimeapathetic

11:35am Tue 17 Dec 13

BmthNewshound says...

What Beesley is not being honest about is the true cost of this investment. Legal & General are not giving this money to the Council out of the goodness of their heart, they are investing it and will expect a pretty hefty return on their investment. On commercial property the return you'd expect is approx. 7% which means that if they invest the full £300m they'll expect a return of £21m a year. Bournemouth Council does not have a good track record on getting a good deal for the tax payer so can we really trust them to have done so in the deal with Legal & General ?
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Building on Palmerston Road car park is all well and good but if the Council is serious about regenerating Boscombe they'll need to provide alternative parking or they'll be a downturn in footfall in the shopping precinct which is already struggling to survive.
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If housing is Beesley's priority why does the first phase include a restaurant at Durley Chine ? and who has the lease been promised to ?
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As ever with Bournemouth Council lots of very expensive plans but no detail of how the Council are going to fund it in the long term.
What Beesley is not being honest about is the true cost of this investment. Legal & General are not giving this money to the Council out of the goodness of their heart, they are investing it and will expect a pretty hefty return on their investment. On commercial property the return you'd expect is approx. 7% which means that if they invest the full £300m they'll expect a return of £21m a year. Bournemouth Council does not have a good track record on getting a good deal for the tax payer so can we really trust them to have done so in the deal with Legal & General ? . Building on Palmerston Road car park is all well and good but if the Council is serious about regenerating Boscombe they'll need to provide alternative parking or they'll be a downturn in footfall in the shopping precinct which is already struggling to survive. . If housing is Beesley's priority why does the first phase include a restaurant at Durley Chine ? and who has the lease been promised to ? . As ever with Bournemouth Council lots of very expensive plans but no detail of how the Council are going to fund it in the long term. BmthNewshound

12:26pm Tue 17 Dec 13

GeorgeW64 says...

Wonder how many British people will actually end up with one ?
Wonder how many British people will actually end up with one ? GeorgeW64

1:11pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Redgolfer says...

Baysider wrote:
Anneaa wrote:
Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!!
Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous.

Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this.

I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but are you one of those councillor's, so why no police investigation with Ramsden and the association with Weasley, brushed under the carpet.
The Palmerston Road site yet MORE selling off land that is not theirs to sell, what is it selling off all OUR car parks to the few, or is that ridiculous conspiracy or do you not mind people of Bournemouth paying back millions as in Nautilius scheme another one of this council great idea's NOT.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anneaa[/bold] wrote: Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!![/p][/quote]Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous. Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this. I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition.[/p][/quote]Of course you are entitled to your opinion but are you one of those councillor's, so why no police investigation with Ramsden and the association with Weasley, brushed under the carpet. The Palmerston Road site yet MORE selling off land that is not theirs to sell, what is it selling off all OUR car parks to the few, or is that ridiculous conspiracy or do you not mind people of Bournemouth paying back millions as in Nautilius scheme another one of this council great idea's NOT. Redgolfer

4:16pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Sandbanks Showpony says...

Redgolfer wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Anneaa wrote:
Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!!
Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous.

Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this.

I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but are you one of those councillor's, so why no police investigation with Ramsden and the association with Weasley, brushed under the carpet.
The Palmerston Road site yet MORE selling off land that is not theirs to sell, what is it selling off all OUR car parks to the few, or is that ridiculous conspiracy or do you not mind people of Bournemouth paying back millions as in Nautilius scheme another one of this council great idea's NOT.
Couldn't agree more with big man Baysider...you're all starting to sound ridiculous. What next, the council is being run by the illuminati and part of a Greater new world order??
The people running and working for the council are like the rest of us, working for salaried jobs, there are no shares and therefore they have no interest in profits from projects like this. Any profits made will just be run back to tax payer through services.
Maybe they are just trying to do there job and trying to solve problems currently affecting out society, I'm sure they know a lot better about those than you or me. And I have no arguments against putting my taxes towards affordable housing, helping the less fortunate in our society. I mean, who can really afford the rent and prices of houses at the moment. Very few.
Location wise, i'd rather a car park go than some of the areas nice green space and views.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anneaa[/bold] wrote: Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!![/p][/quote]Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous. Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this. I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition.[/p][/quote]Of course you are entitled to your opinion but are you one of those councillor's, so why no police investigation with Ramsden and the association with Weasley, brushed under the carpet. The Palmerston Road site yet MORE selling off land that is not theirs to sell, what is it selling off all OUR car parks to the few, or is that ridiculous conspiracy or do you not mind people of Bournemouth paying back millions as in Nautilius scheme another one of this council great idea's NOT.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more with big man Baysider...you're all starting to sound ridiculous. What next, the council is being run by the illuminati and part of a Greater new world order?? The people running and working for the council are like the rest of us, working for salaried jobs, there are no shares and therefore they have no interest in profits from projects like this. Any profits made will just be run back to tax payer through services. Maybe they are just trying to do there job and trying to solve problems currently affecting out society, I'm sure they know a lot better about those than you or me. And I have no arguments against putting my taxes towards affordable housing, helping the less fortunate in our society. I mean, who can really afford the rent and prices of houses at the moment. Very few. Location wise, i'd rather a car park go than some of the areas nice green space and views. Sandbanks Showpony

5:09pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Redgolfer says...

Sandbanks Showpony wrote:
Redgolfer wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Anneaa wrote:
Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!!
Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous.

Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this.

I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but are you one of those councillor's, so why no police investigation with Ramsden and the association with Weasley, brushed under the carpet.
The Palmerston Road site yet MORE selling off land that is not theirs to sell, what is it selling off all OUR car parks to the few, or is that ridiculous conspiracy or do you not mind people of Bournemouth paying back millions as in Nautilius scheme another one of this council great idea's NOT.
Couldn't agree more with big man Baysider...you're all starting to sound ridiculous. What next, the council is being run by the illuminati and part of a Greater new world order??
The people running and working for the council are like the rest of us, working for salaried jobs, there are no shares and therefore they have no interest in profits from projects like this. Any profits made will just be run back to tax payer through services.
Maybe they are just trying to do there job and trying to solve problems currently affecting out society, I'm sure they know a lot better about those than you or me. And I have no arguments against putting my taxes towards affordable housing, helping the less fortunate in our society. I mean, who can really afford the rent and prices of houses at the moment. Very few.
Location wise, i'd rather a car park go than some of the areas nice green space and views.
Again your comments are valid but you do not put up any arguments against my points and next will be the green spaces you talk about.
Affordable housing, does that not mean you have to have a job to pay for one, me self employed at 67 still working, still paying my mortgage instead of the SOCIAL or whatever its called now, you might call us ridiculous but I and others DO believe what we write and they think they are UNACOUNTABLE and answer to nobody, maybe we will see?????
[quote][p][bold]Sandbanks Showpony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anneaa[/bold] wrote: Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!![/p][/quote]Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous. Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this. I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition.[/p][/quote]Of course you are entitled to your opinion but are you one of those councillor's, so why no police investigation with Ramsden and the association with Weasley, brushed under the carpet. The Palmerston Road site yet MORE selling off land that is not theirs to sell, what is it selling off all OUR car parks to the few, or is that ridiculous conspiracy or do you not mind people of Bournemouth paying back millions as in Nautilius scheme another one of this council great idea's NOT.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more with big man Baysider...you're all starting to sound ridiculous. What next, the council is being run by the illuminati and part of a Greater new world order?? The people running and working for the council are like the rest of us, working for salaried jobs, there are no shares and therefore they have no interest in profits from projects like this. Any profits made will just be run back to tax payer through services. Maybe they are just trying to do there job and trying to solve problems currently affecting out society, I'm sure they know a lot better about those than you or me. And I have no arguments against putting my taxes towards affordable housing, helping the less fortunate in our society. I mean, who can really afford the rent and prices of houses at the moment. Very few. Location wise, i'd rather a car park go than some of the areas nice green space and views.[/p][/quote]Again your comments are valid but you do not put up any arguments against my points and next will be the green spaces you talk about. Affordable housing, does that not mean you have to have a job to pay for one, me self employed at 67 still working, still paying my mortgage instead of the SOCIAL or whatever its called now, you might call us ridiculous but I and others DO believe what we write and they think they are UNACOUNTABLE and answer to nobody, maybe we will see????? Redgolfer

7:19pm Tue 17 Dec 13

UrbanCrab says...

Redgolfer wrote:
Sandbanks Showpony wrote:
Redgolfer wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Anneaa wrote:
Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!!
Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous.

Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this.

I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but are you one of those councillor's, so why no police investigation with Ramsden and the association with Weasley, brushed under the carpet.
The Palmerston Road site yet MORE selling off land that is not theirs to sell, what is it selling off all OUR car parks to the few, or is that ridiculous conspiracy or do you not mind people of Bournemouth paying back millions as in Nautilius scheme another one of this council great idea's NOT.
Couldn't agree more with big man Baysider...you're all starting to sound ridiculous. What next, the council is being run by the illuminati and part of a Greater new world order??
The people running and working for the council are like the rest of us, working for salaried jobs, there are no shares and therefore they have no interest in profits from projects like this. Any profits made will just be run back to tax payer through services.
Maybe they are just trying to do there job and trying to solve problems currently affecting out society, I'm sure they know a lot better about those than you or me. And I have no arguments against putting my taxes towards affordable housing, helping the less fortunate in our society. I mean, who can really afford the rent and prices of houses at the moment. Very few.
Location wise, i'd rather a car park go than some of the areas nice green space and views.
Again your comments are valid but you do not put up any arguments against my points and next will be the green spaces you talk about.
Affordable housing, does that not mean you have to have a job to pay for one, me self employed at 67 still working, still paying my mortgage instead of the SOCIAL or whatever its called now, you might call us ridiculous but I and others DO believe what we write and they think they are UNACOUNTABLE and answer to nobody, maybe we will see?????
Absolutely with you RedGolfer. What's going on in Town Hall at the moment and the past few years is scandalous. The green spaces will go and some have already, sound historic buildings gone to all to property developing with no thought for the people.

In response to "Sandbanks Showpony" you don't need to bring in ridiculous conspiracy theories. Is it a theory that ex Councillor Tony Ramsden the well known planning consultant is currently languishing in jail for fraud. Is it a theory that John Beesley failed to declare his interests in relation to Tony Ramsden when he was head of planning, ie that they had a business together and that he was godparent to Ramsden's child. Is it a theory that the council knew Mouchel was likely to go bankrupt when they were considering handing over more departments to them, and that the chief Accountant was marched out of Town Hall and placed on gardening leave for informing all the councillors of this before a council meeting. Is it a theory that the surf reef was allowed to be constructed without a construction contract in place. Is it a theory that Cllr Beesley and the chief exec signed a deal with Trevor Osbourne to sell him the Bath Rd CarPark for 1.3million and then signed a contract to lease back the parking for 75 years at nearly half a million pounds a year. to help subsidise his Nautilus project which Odeon has now abandoned. Is it theory that the council ignored a thousand local objections and demolished a sound 23 room art centre and community facility in Boscombe the most deprived area in the south that is the only area in bournemouth without a community centre. Is it a theory that the audit Commission investigated the council and found overpaying of consultants and other facts which were in a report that was buried for 2 years until revealed by Cllr West who was promptly kicked off audit and Governance for his audacity.

I could go on for pages and pages, what IS a theory is the suggestion that our council and councillors are in anyway accountable or that the current methods of decision making by Cllr Beesley and co are in anyway transparent ( as transparent as the hidden audit commission report).

All these people and most of these schemes (plots) are funded with our taxpayer money, and in Bournemouth you do not need to dig deep to see the filth.

try www.abetterbournemou
th.org if you want details on some of the above or start doing your own research. There are always a lot of CONSPIRACIES flying about but in Bournemouth's case, sadly, there are also a lot of undisputable FACTS.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandbanks Showpony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anneaa[/bold] wrote: Some of the council must be rubbing their hands with glee thinking of the "profit" they will be making from this deal which probably like many other deals that have been made have not come to fruition except to their personal assets!![/p][/quote]Got any evidence for that? You must have given the "many other deals" that you claim have been subject to backhanders otherwise that's just unsubstantiated and probably libellous. Councillors are many things and deserving of many brickbats but I'm pretty sure that few, if any, are on the take and we've never seen any investigation or police action on this. I know I'll get the thumbs down treatment for that opinion but if you're so sure that our local politicians are crooked then say so, stick your name on the comment present your case and stop hiding behind ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposition.[/p][/quote]Of course you are entitled to your opinion but are you one of those councillor's, so why no police investigation with Ramsden and the association with Weasley, brushed under the carpet. The Palmerston Road site yet MORE selling off land that is not theirs to sell, what is it selling off all OUR car parks to the few, or is that ridiculous conspiracy or do you not mind people of Bournemouth paying back millions as in Nautilius scheme another one of this council great idea's NOT.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more with big man Baysider...you're all starting to sound ridiculous. What next, the council is being run by the illuminati and part of a Greater new world order?? The people running and working for the council are like the rest of us, working for salaried jobs, there are no shares and therefore they have no interest in profits from projects like this. Any profits made will just be run back to tax payer through services. Maybe they are just trying to do there job and trying to solve problems currently affecting out society, I'm sure they know a lot better about those than you or me. And I have no arguments against putting my taxes towards affordable housing, helping the less fortunate in our society. I mean, who can really afford the rent and prices of houses at the moment. Very few. Location wise, i'd rather a car park go than some of the areas nice green space and views.[/p][/quote]Again your comments are valid but you do not put up any arguments against my points and next will be the green spaces you talk about. Affordable housing, does that not mean you have to have a job to pay for one, me self employed at 67 still working, still paying my mortgage instead of the SOCIAL or whatever its called now, you might call us ridiculous but I and others DO believe what we write and they think they are UNACOUNTABLE and answer to nobody, maybe we will see?????[/p][/quote]Absolutely with you RedGolfer. What's going on in Town Hall at the moment and the past few years is scandalous. The green spaces will go and some have already, sound historic buildings gone to all to property developing with no thought for the people. In response to "Sandbanks Showpony" you don't need to bring in ridiculous conspiracy theories. Is it a theory that ex Councillor Tony Ramsden the well known planning consultant is currently languishing in jail for fraud. Is it a theory that John Beesley failed to declare his interests in relation to Tony Ramsden when he was head of planning, ie that they had a business together and that he was godparent to Ramsden's child. Is it a theory that the council knew Mouchel was likely to go bankrupt when they were considering handing over more departments to them, and that the chief Accountant was marched out of Town Hall and placed on gardening leave for informing all the councillors of this before a council meeting. Is it a theory that the surf reef was allowed to be constructed without a construction contract in place. Is it a theory that Cllr Beesley and the chief exec signed a deal with Trevor Osbourne to sell him the Bath Rd CarPark for 1.3million and then signed a contract to lease back the parking for 75 years at nearly half a million pounds a year. to help subsidise his Nautilus project which Odeon has now abandoned. Is it theory that the council ignored a thousand local objections and demolished a sound 23 room art centre and community facility in Boscombe the most deprived area in the south that is the only area in bournemouth without a community centre. Is it a theory that the audit Commission investigated the council and found overpaying of consultants and other facts which were in a report that was buried for 2 years until revealed by Cllr West who was promptly kicked off audit and Governance for his audacity. I could go on for pages and pages, what IS a theory is the suggestion that our council and councillors are in anyway accountable or that the current methods of decision making by Cllr Beesley and co are in anyway transparent ( as transparent as the hidden audit commission report). All these people and most of these schemes (plots) are funded with our taxpayer money, and in Bournemouth you do not need to dig deep to see the filth. try www.abetterbournemou th.org if you want details on some of the above or start doing your own research. There are always a lot of CONSPIRACIES flying about but in Bournemouth's case, sadly, there are also a lot of undisputable FACTS. UrbanCrab

8:03pm Tue 17 Dec 13

sandy65b says...

Ralph Horris wrote:
Open the NIMBY floodgates..........

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Is this going to be for the born and bred residents of bournemouth
Or for others
[quote][p][bold]Ralph Horris[/bold] wrote: Open the NIMBY floodgates.......... .[/p][/quote]Is this going to be for the born and bred residents of bournemouth Or for others sandy65b

1:02am Wed 18 Dec 13

Wageslave says...

Urban crab get yourself in that council NOW
Urban crab get yourself in that council NOW Wageslave

1:05am Wed 18 Dec 13

Wageslave says...

What exactly is affordable housing? That which is sold cheaply first time round and then sold on at usual high cost 3 months later.
What exactly is affordable housing? That which is sold cheaply first time round and then sold on at usual high cost 3 months later. Wageslave

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