Outrage as plans for rival marina at Poole unveiled

Bournemouth Echo: PLEA: Jim Stewart calls for action over Poole Quay plan PLEA: Jim Stewart calls for action over Poole Quay plan

OUTRAGED Poole harbour stakeholders are being urged to make their feelings plain to the Crown Estates as details of a rival marina plan for the quay emerge.

MDL, which owns Cobbs Quay, has emerged as the Crown Estate’s preferred bidder for a Poole Quay marina, over Poole Harbour Commissioners proposal, and could be confirmed in early January.

However no details of the rival bid have emerged until now and the commissioners called a meeting of their stakeholders to share what they have learnt – and “strongly encourage” people to lobby the Crown Estates, which owns the seabed, over the process.

Jim Stewart, chief executive of PHC told the stakeholders meeting that MDL had revealed plans for a bridge from close to Green Gardens at the edge of Baiter, across a protected SSSI with a road out to an island with parking for 200 cars.

There would be a 600-berth marina on the outside of their existing boat haven, restaurants and bars. But no public consultation has been carried out on the proposal.

“I think it’s appalling,” said Cllr Mark Howell, who represents the ward and is the leader of Poole People. “I think it will be really damaging to the harbour.”

He said: “I would urge people, if they feel they should have been consulted and haven’t been, to write to the Crown Estates to make that point.”

He added: “The time to act is now to try to make a strong case to Crown Estates they have not gone through the proper process.”

Cllr Brian Clements said: “I have quite strong reservations about the visual impact on the quay of moving Cobbs Quay to Poole Quay – that’s the way I see it.”

“The fishermen of Poole have not been consulted at all,” said Gary Wordsworth, chairman of Poole and District Fishermen’s Association and a harbour commissioner.

Mr Stewart said they had no quarrel with MDL. But PHC had carried out an 18 month environmental impact assessment and two years of consultation to get to this point.

“We are very concerned that MDL will be awarded the scheme with no consultation,” he said. “We have had the rug pulled from under our feet.”

Crown Estates was aiming to make a decision, which could not be challenged, by January 14, he said. He said if it went against them they would be “deeply disappointed”.

Anyone wishing to have their say should write to The Crown Estate at 16 New Burlington Place, London W1S 2HX or email enquiries@crownestate.co.uk

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6:59am Tue 17 Dec 13

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Lets have a real 'Rival marina' in place of Bournemouth pier!
Lets have a real 'Rival marina' in place of Bournemouth pier! The-Bleeding-Obvious

8:20am Tue 17 Dec 13

we-shall-see says...

Devious and underhand tactics abound ……. it sounds like a done deal to me >:o(
Devious and underhand tactics abound ……. it sounds like a done deal to me >:o( we-shall-see

8:34am Tue 17 Dec 13

foggy1965 says...

sour grapes over competition, that should put some wafi nose out of joint.
sour grapes over competition, that should put some wafi nose out of joint. foggy1965

9:17am Tue 17 Dec 13

Benagain says...

If Cobbs Quay are able to site their moorings in the harbour, the Twin sails Bridge can be sold for scrap.
If Cobbs Quay are able to site their moorings in the harbour, the Twin sails Bridge can be sold for scrap. Benagain

9:31am Tue 17 Dec 13

skydriver says...

What's the problem, it will bring more work for the area, I find it difficult to comprehend just what people want nowadays, it's just what the area does want , let's face it, this area in question does need bringing up a bit.
So stop moaning and welcome improvements , especially if it's for the better.
What's the problem, it will bring more work for the area, I find it difficult to comprehend just what people want nowadays, it's just what the area does want , let's face it, this area in question does need bringing up a bit. So stop moaning and welcome improvements , especially if it's for the better. skydriver

9:43am Tue 17 Dec 13

Mike R-B says...

skydriver wrote:
What's the problem, it will bring more work for the area, I find it difficult to comprehend just what people want nowadays, it's just what the area does want , let's face it, this area in question does need bringing up a bit.
So stop moaning and welcome improvements , especially if it's for the better.
Ah but don't ignore "SSSI" we must keep creepy crawlys, insects and birds in our thoughts !
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: What's the problem, it will bring more work for the area, I find it difficult to comprehend just what people want nowadays, it's just what the area does want , let's face it, this area in question does need bringing up a bit. So stop moaning and welcome improvements , especially if it's for the better.[/p][/quote]Ah but don't ignore "SSSI" we must keep creepy crawlys, insects and birds in our thoughts ! Mike R-B

10:06am Tue 17 Dec 13

Old Colonial says...

"SSSI"! What's there to spoil? Lest people forget, the area around the Baiter area is relatively recent refuse landfill with housing built on the site of a gasworks. Gantries and rail tracks ran along the water's edge. Perhaps it should all be returned to its 'natural' state! Bring back the isolation hospital and the windmill. Re-flood Parkstone Bay.

Poole is not, and never has been, a cosy picturesque fishing port. It is there for commerce.
"SSSI"! What's there to spoil? Lest people forget, the area around the Baiter area is relatively recent refuse landfill with housing built on the site of a gasworks. Gantries and rail tracks ran along the water's edge. Perhaps it should all be returned to its 'natural' state! Bring back the isolation hospital and the windmill. Re-flood Parkstone Bay. Poole is not, and never has been, a cosy picturesque fishing port. It is there for commerce. Old Colonial

10:20am Tue 17 Dec 13

Reader Echo says...

The fishermen will not want it and the vast majority of the locals will not want it as it will devastate the view from the quay fourfold from the long term floating boat storage we have now.

However as per usual these things seem to be well underway.

I have been to a public display by PHC. However I find it difficult keeping up with what is going on with important local developments such as this due to work etc.

Perhaps it is time for our democratic society to give a yes/no vote to tax payers on subjects such as these.
The fishermen will not want it and the vast majority of the locals will not want it as it will devastate the view from the quay fourfold from the long term floating boat storage we have now. However as per usual these things seem to be well underway. I have been to a public display by PHC. However I find it difficult keeping up with what is going on with important local developments such as this due to work etc. Perhaps it is time for our democratic society to give a yes/no vote to tax payers on subjects such as these. Reader Echo

10:21am Tue 17 Dec 13

hamworthygarden says...

The reason Cobbs Quay want to move is because people no longer want to have their boats in Holes Bay because the twin sails bridge is so unreliable, if you want a day out on your boat you do not want the prospect of either not being able to get out or back into Holes Bay. At least when we just had the original reliable bridge you knew what times it lifted, its pot luck now.
The reason Cobbs Quay want to move is because people no longer want to have their boats in Holes Bay because the twin sails bridge is so unreliable, if you want a day out on your boat you do not want the prospect of either not being able to get out or back into Holes Bay. At least when we just had the original reliable bridge you knew what times it lifted, its pot luck now. hamworthygarden

10:48am Tue 17 Dec 13

Red Leader 1 says...

It is currently possible to enjoy a walk from the old lifting bridge, alongside the waters edge all the way to Whitecliff Rec without having to cross a road or directly encounter a moving motorised vehicle. This so called access road and the new harbour "island" for 200 vehicles is an OUTRAGE!

Like the marina project or not, at least the PHC option was for a water taxi link and took account of local sensitivities by providing a breakwater walkway and other facilities. Crown Commissioners can do what they like, but the latest option as reported is a NON-STARTER from a planning point of view. MDL and Councillors please take note.
It is currently possible to enjoy a walk from the old lifting bridge, alongside the waters edge all the way to Whitecliff Rec without having to cross a road or directly encounter a moving motorised vehicle. This so called access road and the new harbour "island" for 200 vehicles is an OUTRAGE! Like the marina project or not, at least the PHC option was for a water taxi link and took account of local sensitivities by providing a breakwater walkway and other facilities. Crown Commissioners can do what they like, but the latest option as reported is a NON-STARTER from a planning point of view. MDL and Councillors please take note. Red Leader 1

4:03pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Sandbanks Showpony says...

Red Leader 1 wrote:
It is currently possible to enjoy a walk from the old lifting bridge, alongside the waters edge all the way to Whitecliff Rec without having to cross a road or directly encounter a moving motorised vehicle. This so called access road and the new harbour "island" for 200 vehicles is an OUTRAGE!

Like the marina project or not, at least the PHC option was for a water taxi link and took account of local sensitivities by providing a breakwater walkway and other facilities. Crown Commissioners can do what they like, but the latest option as reported is a NON-STARTER from a planning point of view. MDL and Councillors please take note.
Unfortunately your nice little walk doesn't really have a grand social or economical impact on the area (those fish n' chips you brought on the way don't count for too much!!) However with businesses closing down in the town centre there is a need to bring more people to the area to encourage growth and activity. Do we really want Poole to become a ghost town? If it means losing a bit of green space so be it. As a solution though it is not optimal, the idea of a second marina parallel to dolphon quays with a cruise ship berth attached was way better, imagine the amount of business that would bring.

Stop letting Poole rot for your own selfish reason (your little walk cannot really be justified as a reason), and stop moaning!!!
[quote][p][bold]Red Leader 1[/bold] wrote: It is currently possible to enjoy a walk from the old lifting bridge, alongside the waters edge all the way to Whitecliff Rec without having to cross a road or directly encounter a moving motorised vehicle. This so called access road and the new harbour "island" for 200 vehicles is an OUTRAGE! Like the marina project or not, at least the PHC option was for a water taxi link and took account of local sensitivities by providing a breakwater walkway and other facilities. Crown Commissioners can do what they like, but the latest option as reported is a NON-STARTER from a planning point of view. MDL and Councillors please take note.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately your nice little walk doesn't really have a grand social or economical impact on the area (those fish n' chips you brought on the way don't count for too much!!) However with businesses closing down in the town centre there is a need to bring more people to the area to encourage growth and activity. Do we really want Poole to become a ghost town? If it means losing a bit of green space so be it. As a solution though it is not optimal, the idea of a second marina parallel to dolphon quays with a cruise ship berth attached was way better, imagine the amount of business that would bring. Stop letting Poole rot for your own selfish reason (your little walk cannot really be justified as a reason), and stop moaning!!! Sandbanks Showpony

4:20pm Tue 17 Dec 13

jpwf says...

PHC getting a spoonful of their own medicine - they usually run slipshod over everyone else.
I see no problem with this proposal.
PHC getting a spoonful of their own medicine - they usually run slipshod over everyone else. I see no problem with this proposal. jpwf

4:21pm Tue 17 Dec 13

sea poole says...

Some of the comments on here really haven't got a clue! The 'preferred bidder' status by MDL is a leap in the dark. I understand that at the meeting NO plans were available, the time limit is so narrow -14 Jan (guess what we've got in between now and then?) How can anyone make a rational opinion without any plans? The proposed 'bridge' will add huge congestion to a very narrow neck of land and does anyone want to look at a 200+ car park jutting into the harbour? If so, what the he.l are you doing living in this beautiful area? It's not about regeneration -it's about making quick bucks.
Some of the comments on here really haven't got a clue! The 'preferred bidder' status by MDL is a leap in the dark. I understand that at the meeting NO plans were available, the time limit is so narrow -14 Jan (guess what we've got in between now and then?) How can anyone make a rational opinion without any plans? The proposed 'bridge' will add huge congestion to a very narrow neck of land and does anyone want to look at a 200+ car park jutting into the harbour? If so, what the he.l are you doing living in this beautiful area? It's not about regeneration -it's about making quick bucks. sea poole

9:17pm Tue 17 Dec 13

joeinpoole says...

Where's the "protected SSSI"? Is he referring to the 10ft of grass bank between the footpath and the water's edge?
Where's the "protected SSSI"? Is he referring to the 10ft of grass bank between the footpath and the water's edge? joeinpoole

9:25pm Tue 17 Dec 13

TOM AND JANE says...

MDL originally opposed a new marina until, hat is, they realised they could bake their cake and eat it. They could profit by building it and running it, whilst moving boats out of Cobbs Quay in order to develop a much more lucrative marina village.
The Crown Agents care little about the beauty of the harbour and the attractions of the Town Quay. As the biggest landlord in the UK, they are only after the revenue gained from letting out the sea bed. Why they should have any preference as to who should build it, is a puzzle in itself, unless of course they went for the highest bidder.
As for new jobs, more will be lost by the crtain damage to the Tourist Industry, the attraction of the Town Quay being lost for ever. As for Cruise ships, the very few that come, do so only to offload and reload new passengers, little revenue to be made there and no way will it rejuvinate the High Street. Apart from Cobbs Quay, trade in berths will be stolen from other local marinas and with in no more trade here either.
Bare in mind too, that the harbour is already saturated with boats making the narrow harbour entrance dangerous at times in High Season.
The decision is only 3 weeks away, and to be made by the Marine Maritime Organisation MMO whose only interest is the commercialism of the harbour, so guess what their decison may well be. Poole Council and local stakeholders amazingly have no say in the matter.
As for the preferred developer, MDL deliberately delayed releasing their plans until the last moment, givng little time for any planned opposition.
Either marina, if ever built, will be a White Elephant, shown by many, much cheaper moorings lieing vacant up an down in the harbour. Residents of Poole who really care about the beauty of the harbour have virtually no time left , this monstrosity could soon be planted on us..
MDL originally opposed a new marina until, hat is, they realised they could bake their cake and eat it. They could profit by building it and running it, whilst moving boats out of Cobbs Quay in order to develop a much more lucrative marina village. The Crown Agents care little about the beauty of the harbour and the attractions of the Town Quay. As the biggest landlord in the UK, they are only after the revenue gained from letting out the sea bed. Why they should have any preference as to who should build it, is a puzzle in itself, unless of course they went for the highest bidder. As for new jobs, more will be lost by the crtain damage to the Tourist Industry, the attraction of the Town Quay being lost for ever. As for Cruise ships, the very few that come, do so only to offload and reload new passengers, little revenue to be made there and no way will it rejuvinate the High Street. Apart from Cobbs Quay, trade in berths will be stolen from other local marinas and with in no more trade here either. Bare in mind too, that the harbour is already saturated with boats making the narrow harbour entrance dangerous at times in High Season. The decision is only 3 weeks away, and to be made by the Marine Maritime Organisation MMO whose only interest is the commercialism of the harbour, so guess what their decison may well be. Poole Council and local stakeholders amazingly have no say in the matter. As for the preferred developer, MDL deliberately delayed releasing their plans until the last moment, givng little time for any planned opposition. Either marina, if ever built, will be a White Elephant, shown by many, much cheaper moorings lieing vacant up an down in the harbour. Residents of Poole who really care about the beauty of the harbour have virtually no time left , this monstrosity could soon be planted on us.. TOM AND JANE

1:32am Wed 18 Dec 13

billd766 says...

Perhaps the PHC is afraid of losing its monopoly and afraid of competition as well.
Perhaps the PHC is afraid of losing its monopoly and afraid of competition as well. billd766

11:19am Wed 18 Dec 13

nospinnaker says...

So if this new marina goes ahead does that make the Twin Sails Bridge a complete and utter waste of money? Had Cobbs' Quay never existed as a marina surely there would be absolutely no point in ever building it? Wouldn't a fixed span (ie much cheaper amnd more reliable) bridge have been sufficient?
So if this new marina goes ahead does that make the Twin Sails Bridge a complete and utter waste of money? Had Cobbs' Quay never existed as a marina surely there would be absolutely no point in ever building it? Wouldn't a fixed span (ie much cheaper amnd more reliable) bridge have been sufficient? nospinnaker

7:50pm Wed 18 Dec 13

TOM AND JANE says...

Not quite true, the RNLI needed it also in order to operate.

Being probably the wealthiest Charity in the UK and possibly on Earth, I don't think even they could have funded it!
Not quite true, the RNLI needed it also in order to operate. Being probably the wealthiest Charity in the UK and possibly on Earth, I don't think even they could have funded it! TOM AND JANE

11:22pm Wed 18 Dec 13

goingsolo says...

Good grief Thank goodness mark howell and his people party weren't around when sunseeker started up in Poole Quay. If he had his way it would never have been allowed and half of us real Poole people would not have jobs, the quay would still be full of coal and run down buildings, there wouldn't be any of the new shops and restaurants around the wharf and we would all be camping out as no doubt he would have opposed the Thistle. Whose Town is it?
Good grief Thank goodness mark howell and his people party weren't around when sunseeker started up in Poole Quay. If he had his way it would never have been allowed and half of us real Poole people would not have jobs, the quay would still be full of coal and run down buildings, there wouldn't be any of the new shops and restaurants around the wharf and we would all be camping out as no doubt he would have opposed the Thistle. Whose Town is it? goingsolo

3:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

TOM AND JANE says...

Mr Illife, Managing Director of MDL and incidentally owner of Green Island, should think again about his proposed new marina and island car park for Poole Quay. He certainly intends to preserve his own island gem with its new ECO friendly house, but clearly has little concern for the rest of our beautiful harbour, preferring to ruin the Town Quay for ever as our main Tourist attraction.
Sighting loss of trade and berthed craft at Cobbs Quay, because of the Twin Sails Bridge and its unreliability, (despite the 35 million pounds spent so that his marina could function normally), is certainly not the reason, but just the excuse The temptation to eventually make a financial killing is too great, More likely, the real cause is the general recession within the boating industry. None of the disappearing craft have taken up the new PHC moorings laid at the beginning of the season or other marina berths, so where have they gone, probably sold or laid up?
Mr Illife, Managing Director of MDL and incidentally owner of Green Island, should think again about his proposed new marina and island car park for Poole Quay. He certainly intends to preserve his own island gem with its new ECO friendly house, but clearly has little concern for the rest of our beautiful harbour, preferring to ruin the Town Quay for ever as our main Tourist attraction. Sighting loss of trade and berthed craft at Cobbs Quay, because of the Twin Sails Bridge and its unreliability, (despite the 35 million pounds spent so that his marina could function normally), is certainly not the reason, but just the excuse The temptation to eventually make a financial killing is too great, More likely, the real cause is the general recession within the boating industry. None of the disappearing craft have taken up the new PHC moorings laid at the beginning of the season or other marina berths, so where have they gone, probably sold or laid up? TOM AND JANE

8:38pm Thu 19 Dec 13

hatchepsut says...

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If anyone else believes that we should have a public consultation before this goes through, please sign my petition and share it with your friends and family. http://linkis.com/ww w.avaaz.org/en/pet/n 6Ve hatchepsut

11:16am Sat 28 Dec 13

Lenin111 says...

Old Colonial wrote:
"SSSI"! What's there to spoil? Lest people forget, the area around the Baiter area is relatively recent refuse landfill with housing built on the site of a gasworks. Gantries and rail tracks ran along the water's edge. Perhaps it should all be returned to its 'natural' state! Bring back the isolation hospital and the windmill. Re-flood Parkstone Bay.

Poole is not, and never has been, a cosy picturesque fishing port. It is there for commerce.
The “Old Colonial” obviously doesn’t know what is meant by SSSI. There are websites available so look it up! SSSI doesn’t stand for “Pretty Postcard Scenery” it stands for Site of Special Scientific Interest. Poole Harbour is noted for its marine and bird life. Natural habitats that can be destroyed by building a car park in the middle of the harbour.
[quote][p][bold]Old Colonial[/bold] wrote: "SSSI"! What's there to spoil? Lest people forget, the area around the Baiter area is relatively recent refuse landfill with housing built on the site of a gasworks. Gantries and rail tracks ran along the water's edge. Perhaps it should all be returned to its 'natural' state! Bring back the isolation hospital and the windmill. Re-flood Parkstone Bay. Poole is not, and never has been, a cosy picturesque fishing port. It is there for commerce.[/p][/quote]The “Old Colonial” obviously doesn’t know what is meant by SSSI. There are websites available so look it up! SSSI doesn’t stand for “Pretty Postcard Scenery” it stands for Site of Special Scientific Interest. Poole Harbour is noted for its marine and bird life. Natural habitats that can be destroyed by building a car park in the middle of the harbour. Lenin111

11:46am Sat 28 Dec 13

Lenin111 says...

joeinpoole wrote:
Where's the "protected SSSI"? Is he referring to the 10ft of grass bank between the footpath and the water's edge?
If you cannot see beyond 10ft then you need new glasses. The water around Baiter is a SSSI. All you had to do was type Poole Harbour SSSI into a search engine and you could have looked it up for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]joeinpoole[/bold] wrote: Where's the "protected SSSI"? Is he referring to the 10ft of grass bank between the footpath and the water's edge?[/p][/quote]If you cannot see beyond 10ft then you need new glasses. The water around Baiter is a SSSI. All you had to do was type Poole Harbour SSSI into a search engine and you could have looked it up for yourself. Lenin111

5:34am Mon 30 Dec 13

M.Ferrall says...

I have a house on Baiter park, I have a boat at cobbs, MDL mooring fees are £2,000
cheaper a year than PHC. My boat will be the first in. Well done MDL, BRING IT ON.
I have a house on Baiter park, I have a boat at cobbs, MDL mooring fees are £2,000 cheaper a year than PHC. My boat will be the first in. Well done MDL, BRING IT ON. M.Ferrall

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