Residents’ plea: don’t put new primary school at the bottom of our garden

Bournemouth Echo: BUILDING: Artist's impressions of what Avonwood Primary School could look like BUILDING: Artist's impressions of what Avonwood Primary School could look like

ANXIOUS residents have spoken out against plans for a new primary school “at the bottom of the garden”.

They fear the proposed Avonwood Primary will lead to excessive noise and disruption and said it could easily be built further away from the boundaries of their properties.

There are also fears the school, due to open in September next year, will cause further traffic problems in the built-up area.

The school will be built in the grounds of Avonbourne and Harewood Colleges in Harewood Avenue as Bournemouth council struggles to cope with an increased demand for primary places in the borough.

The land is currently open space with the colleges hundreds of metres from the homes.

Russ and Alison Johns stressed they were not against the building of the school but urged Bournemouth council and those behind it to take account of their concerns.

“We have not been consulted about this but have found out that the playground will be on the other side of our fence,” said Mr Johns.

“We will be able to look straight into the classrooms, which is unnecessary because the site is big and it could be further away from the existing homes.”

Mrs Johns added: “We appreciate there is a need for a school but the impact is going to be massive.”

The couple have joined forces with neighbours in a bid to get their voices heard and have urged Bournemouth council to “slow down, consult with residents and look at all the options available.”

They have also asked for a full traffic survey in Harewood Avenue, already subject to a 20mph limit and with speed humps due to the presence of the colleges.

“Harewood Avenue is already at breaking point,” added Mr Johns.

“From our experience, it is a fact that parents drive their children to school at that age.”

A report will go to Bournemouth council’s cabinet on Wednesday December 18 where it is expected funding will be approved as part of the Capital Programme.

'We want to work with community'

Debbie Godfrey-Phaure, executive headteacher of Avonbourne Trust, said: “The school building is a single storey and curved design to minimise the impact of its appearance in the local area. Landscaping and planting will soften the building's appearance.

“We are also looking at a new dedicated access route and drop-off point for parents travelling to the school by car that is separate to the secondary school’s. We are also proposing to operate staggered opening and closing times to further minimise the impact of school travel in the area.

“Traffic surveys are ongoing and will be completed before we submit a planning application. The trust is very thankful for the very useful and positive feedback we have received so far.”

Two newsletters had been sent out to residents within a square mile of the school and a public consultation had been advertised in the Daily Echo and the Advertiser.

“We very much want to work with the whole community on building an excellent school that will provide much needed primary places and that takes into account our role as a good neighbour.”

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8:31am Thu 5 Dec 13

djd says...

I don't agree with the NIMBYs who want the school, but not there.
I do agree with their concerns for traffic in Harewood Avenue.
If the school is so keen to be seen working with the community perhaps the Head can explain why the two colleges both close at the same time when there used to be a quarter hour between them. It's absolute chaos at 3pm when horses of children pour out of the school onto Harewood Avenue.
Goodness knows what will happen when there are another 300 children on the site.
Whatever the Council say or do, parents will drop their children off for school and pick them up, that is a fact of life, even if it means parking a hundred yards away. It's chaotic enough already.
I don't agree with the NIMBYs who want the school, but not there. I do agree with their concerns for traffic in Harewood Avenue. If the school is so keen to be seen working with the community perhaps the Head can explain why the two colleges both close at the same time when there used to be a quarter hour between them. It's absolute chaos at 3pm when horses of children pour out of the school onto Harewood Avenue. Goodness knows what will happen when there are another 300 children on the site. Whatever the Council say or do, parents will drop their children off for school and pick them up, that is a fact of life, even if it means parking a hundred yards away. It's chaotic enough already. djd

8:36am Thu 5 Dec 13

djd says...

Sorry, should have read "hordes" of children. Predictive text wins again.
Sorry, should have read "hordes" of children. Predictive text wins again. djd

8:48am Thu 5 Dec 13

News reader says...

I liked "horses of children....."!
I liked "horses of children....."! News reader

9:09am Thu 5 Dec 13

stevobath says...

Just what you expect from Middle Class NIMBYS in Harewood Avenue. I pray its built, just to upset the whingers.
Just what you expect from Middle Class NIMBYS in Harewood Avenue. I pray its built, just to upset the whingers. stevobath

9:14am Thu 5 Dec 13

Resident9 says...

Unfortunately in this day and age if you buy a house with an acre of green within spitting distance of your house you have to assume that at some point it will be built on!
Unfortunately in this day and age if you buy a house with an acre of green within spitting distance of your house you have to assume that at some point it will be built on! Resident9

9:18am Thu 5 Dec 13

Townee says...

3pm, I thought schools were open from 9 to 4? They were when I went to school. No wonder our children are near the bottom of the world league tables.
Long holidays, shorter working days and teacher training days. It's about time we went back to the days when kids were taught at school all day. Never mind breakfast club and after hours clubs. We used to WALK to school after having breakfast at home and play football after school or on a Saturday.
Now we have parents who drive kids to within a few metres of the school gate, let they play computer games all day, no exercise , stay up until late at night.
Staggering the times the school closes will mean traffic problems all day, answer ban parking within 2 miles of a school at opening and closing times.
3pm, I thought schools were open from 9 to 4? They were when I went to school. No wonder our children are near the bottom of the world league tables. Long holidays, shorter working days and teacher training days. It's about time we went back to the days when kids were taught at school all day. Never mind breakfast club and after hours clubs. We used to WALK to school after having breakfast at home and play football after school or on a Saturday. Now we have parents who drive kids to within a few metres of the school gate, let they play computer games all day, no exercise , stay up until late at night. Staggering the times the school closes will mean traffic problems all day, answer ban parking within 2 miles of a school at opening and closing times. Townee

9:44am Thu 5 Dec 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

Close Harewood Ave to through traffic (except bicycles) towards the western end. This will completely stop all through traffic. You will be able to take out the speed humps and it will have the knock-on effect of raising house prices which should placate residents.
It will make these roads much safer to cycle so more kids will be able to get themselves to school.
Close Harewood Ave to through traffic (except bicycles) towards the western end. This will completely stop all through traffic. You will be able to take out the speed humps and it will have the knock-on effect of raising house prices which should placate residents. It will make these roads much safer to cycle so more kids will be able to get themselves to school. mikey2gorgeous

10:27am Thu 5 Dec 13

Hessenford says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Close Harewood Ave to through traffic (except bicycles) towards the western end. This will completely stop all through traffic. You will be able to take out the speed humps and it will have the knock-on effect of raising house prices which should placate residents.
It will make these roads much safer to cycle so more kids will be able to get themselves to school.
Lets close every road in the county shall we just so bikes can get about and kids can get to school, unbelievable.
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: Close Harewood Ave to through traffic (except bicycles) towards the western end. This will completely stop all through traffic. You will be able to take out the speed humps and it will have the knock-on effect of raising house prices which should placate residents. It will make these roads much safer to cycle so more kids will be able to get themselves to school.[/p][/quote]Lets close every road in the county shall we just so bikes can get about and kids can get to school, unbelievable. Hessenford

10:36am Thu 5 Dec 13

Bournemouth resident says...

With the amount of work and time invested and the lack of Primary School Places in the area, it is inevitable the Avonbourne Trust with Bournemouth Council backing that the School will be built.

What the residents are concerned about is the lack of information provided to those households directly affected by the position of the school on their boundary, the speed at which the plans, proposals and planing are being rushed though with little to no consultation on changes to the location of the school.

It has moved on the site 2-3 times and is now appears to be right along the boundary freeing up the tennis courts and to make a car park.

What the residents are asking is please put the school back in the other proposed potion on/near the tennis courts away from the boundary.

The local residents want to have the opportunity to know what is really being planned (the artists impression gives no idea of how the school really fits on to the plot)

When the large sports hall was constructed it was also promised that landscaping and tress would help conceal it, so far there are no trees or any concealment from the surrounding area, The promises from Debbie Godfrey-Phaure do not ease the worry of the new school placement and the overlooking and privacy/noise issues it will cause if placed on the boundary..

Regarding the traffic, there needs to be more than a 30 min delay to open and close the school, all that will do is make the traffic problems last an extra hour each day. As the poster above mentioned can there be more restriction on access or maybe have access from the other side of the site to help split/balance the road traffic in Harewood ave.

The residents really want the Avonbourne Trust to have another consultation evening, now that they are actually aware of the plans and changes to the plans. They are asking for their voices to be heard and listened to.

Regardless of how you feel about the people in that area every one in Bournemouth should have the right to know about buildings or plans that will effect them and be protected by their Council and Planning Office to ensure that they are not compromised by a school, a large company or building developers block of flats.
With the amount of work and time invested and the lack of Primary School Places in the area, it is inevitable the Avonbourne Trust with Bournemouth Council backing that the School will be built. What the residents are concerned about is the lack of information provided to those households directly affected by the position of the school on their boundary, the speed at which the plans, proposals and planing are being rushed though with little to no consultation on changes to the location of the school. It has moved on the site 2-3 times and is now appears to be right along the boundary freeing up the tennis courts and to make a car park. What the residents are asking is please put the school back in the other proposed potion on/near the tennis courts away from the boundary. The local residents want to have the opportunity to know what is really being planned (the artists impression gives no idea of how the school really fits on to the plot) When the large sports hall was constructed it was also promised that landscaping and tress would help conceal it, so far there are no trees or any concealment from the surrounding area, The promises from Debbie Godfrey-Phaure do not ease the worry of the new school placement and the overlooking and privacy/noise issues it will cause if placed on the boundary.. Regarding the traffic, there needs to be more than a 30 min delay to open and close the school, all that will do is make the traffic problems last an extra hour each day. As the poster above mentioned can there be more restriction on access or maybe have access from the other side of the site to help split/balance the road traffic in Harewood ave. The residents really want the Avonbourne Trust to have another consultation evening, now that they are actually aware of the plans and changes to the plans. They are asking for their voices to be heard and listened to. Regardless of how you feel about the people in that area every one in Bournemouth should have the right to know about buildings or plans that will effect them and be protected by their Council and Planning Office to ensure that they are not compromised by a school, a large company or building developers block of flats. Bournemouth resident

10:40am Thu 5 Dec 13

Lord Spring says...

Looks like Eddie M got in first for the open land.
Looks like Eddie M got in first for the open land. Lord Spring

11:00am Thu 5 Dec 13

localbmouth says...

I like how the 'artists impression' shows all green fields and no houses surrounding the new school. Clever! With plenty of land on this particular site the school should be moved away from the local houses and back towards the main college area.
Also changing school times will only prolong the already big traffic problems with majority of primary school children being driven to school.
I like how the 'artists impression' shows all green fields and no houses surrounding the new school. Clever! With plenty of land on this particular site the school should be moved away from the local houses and back towards the main college area. Also changing school times will only prolong the already big traffic problems with majority of primary school children being driven to school. localbmouth

11:55am Thu 5 Dec 13

misplacedspaniard says...

Townee wrote:
3pm, I thought schools were open from 9 to 4? They were when I went to school. No wonder our children are near the bottom of the world league tables.
Long holidays, shorter working days and teacher training days. It's about time we went back to the days when kids were taught at school all day. Never mind breakfast club and after hours clubs. We used to WALK to school after having breakfast at home and play football after school or on a Saturday.
Now we have parents who drive kids to within a few metres of the school gate, let they play computer games all day, no exercise , stay up until late at night.
Staggering the times the school closes will mean traffic problems all day, answer ban parking within 2 miles of a school at opening and closing times.
Hmmmmm....think you are a tad out of touch.

You do realise that now BOTH parents now work?? Not only that but a lot of older children DO in fact walk to school. I used to walk two miles home from school. Children still do this in Ferndown/west parley.

Get your facts right before you comment please.
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: 3pm, I thought schools were open from 9 to 4? They were when I went to school. No wonder our children are near the bottom of the world league tables. Long holidays, shorter working days and teacher training days. It's about time we went back to the days when kids were taught at school all day. Never mind breakfast club and after hours clubs. We used to WALK to school after having breakfast at home and play football after school or on a Saturday. Now we have parents who drive kids to within a few metres of the school gate, let they play computer games all day, no exercise , stay up until late at night. Staggering the times the school closes will mean traffic problems all day, answer ban parking within 2 miles of a school at opening and closing times.[/p][/quote]Hmmmmm....think you are a tad out of touch. You do realise that now BOTH parents now work?? Not only that but a lot of older children DO in fact walk to school. I used to walk two miles home from school. Children still do this in Ferndown/west parley. Get your facts right before you comment please. misplacedspaniard

12:26pm Thu 5 Dec 13

EddieVH says...

Townee wrote:
3pm, I thought schools were open from 9 to 4? They were when I went to school. No wonder our children are near the bottom of the world league tables.
Long holidays, shorter working days and teacher training days. It's about time we went back to the days when kids were taught at school all day. Never mind breakfast club and after hours clubs. We used to WALK to school after having breakfast at home and play football after school or on a Saturday.
Now we have parents who drive kids to within a few metres of the school gate, let they play computer games all day, no exercise , stay up until late at night.
Staggering the times the school closes will mean traffic problems all day, answer ban parking within 2 miles of a school at opening and closing times.
When I were a lad... We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: 3pm, I thought schools were open from 9 to 4? They were when I went to school. No wonder our children are near the bottom of the world league tables. Long holidays, shorter working days and teacher training days. It's about time we went back to the days when kids were taught at school all day. Never mind breakfast club and after hours clubs. We used to WALK to school after having breakfast at home and play football after school or on a Saturday. Now we have parents who drive kids to within a few metres of the school gate, let they play computer games all day, no exercise , stay up until late at night. Staggering the times the school closes will mean traffic problems all day, answer ban parking within 2 miles of a school at opening and closing times.[/p][/quote]When I were a lad... We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. EddieVH

12:54pm Thu 5 Dec 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

Hessenford wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Close Harewood Ave to through traffic (except bicycles) towards the western end. This will completely stop all through traffic. You will be able to take out the speed humps and it will have the knock-on effect of raising house prices which should placate residents.
It will make these roads much safer to cycle so more kids will be able to get themselves to school.
Lets close every road in the county shall we just so bikes can get about and kids can get to school, unbelievable.
Lets allow all roads to be used arterially shall we just so people can drive more and kids can't get to school by themselves but have to be driven because it's too dangerous. Unbelievable? No - just look outside your window.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: Close Harewood Ave to through traffic (except bicycles) towards the western end. This will completely stop all through traffic. You will be able to take out the speed humps and it will have the knock-on effect of raising house prices which should placate residents. It will make these roads much safer to cycle so more kids will be able to get themselves to school.[/p][/quote]Lets close every road in the county shall we just so bikes can get about and kids can get to school, unbelievable.[/p][/quote]Lets allow all roads to be used arterially shall we just so people can drive more and kids can't get to school by themselves but have to be driven because it's too dangerous. Unbelievable? No - just look outside your window. mikey2gorgeous

3:01pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Rednax says...

Could somebody please just invent the Star Trek transporter so we can avoid all this fricking traffic. That is all.
Could somebody please just invent the Star Trek transporter so we can avoid all this fricking traffic. That is all. Rednax

4:40pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Jelly and Ice Cream says...

if theres a fence to be built then expect Councillor Lawrence Williams to be sat on it.He's my ward councillor.Never again.
if theres a fence to be built then expect Councillor Lawrence Williams to be sat on it.He's my ward councillor.Never again. Jelly and Ice Cream

6:28pm Thu 5 Dec 13

O'Reilly says...

stevobath wrote:
Just what you expect from Middle Class NIMBYS in Harewood Avenue. I pray its built, just to upset the whingers.
Bit harsh....seeing as you don't live there and have to put up with all the B*LL*X..............
...
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: Just what you expect from Middle Class NIMBYS in Harewood Avenue. I pray its built, just to upset the whingers.[/p][/quote]Bit harsh....seeing as you don't live there and have to put up with all the B*LL*X.............. ... O'Reilly

9:32pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Justme8 says...

In the area there are the following schools.... Kings Park, St James', St Peter's, Tregonwell, Avonbourne and Harewood College. The traffic from 7.45am is chaotic and then again at 3pm. Yes another primary school is required to serve that area of Bournemouth / Southbourne but not in a residential area that already has so many schools within very close proximity and the insufficient road structure to deal with the volume of traffic which results. They should to a traffic survey on Littledown Avenue in the morning / afternoon on a rainy day.
In the area there are the following schools.... Kings Park, St James', St Peter's, Tregonwell, Avonbourne and Harewood College. The traffic from 7.45am is chaotic and then again at 3pm. Yes another primary school is required to serve that area of Bournemouth / Southbourne but not in a residential area that already has so many schools within very close proximity and the insufficient road structure to deal with the volume of traffic which results. They should to a traffic survey on Littledown Avenue in the morning / afternoon on a rainy day. Justme8

11:40pm Thu 5 Dec 13

on-reflection says...

News reader wrote:
I liked "horses of children....."!
'Stampedes of children' ,even...
[quote][p][bold]News reader[/bold] wrote: I liked "horses of children....."![/p][/quote]'Stampedes of children' ,even... on-reflection

6:21pm Fri 6 Dec 13

nigelperkins says...

i was a porchester boys school user in 1984..sister at avonbourne ..was hectic then for a cyclist (as a kid all ya wanna do is get out of school grounds as quick as poss) (yes used me tredder then)....

well lets see it get built and then watch all the reports on it and moan and moan...instead of donning yer wellies and forming a residents group that will NOT allow it to happen...people in suits are just as it says...people.The suit bit make them think there better but a good old resident ranting and with back up from many other residents could and can change the plans..block the roads now with your cars , create a sound that isnt going to simmer.

thats whats wrong with all u.k ers.......over the last 30 years or so we have become spineless.....stand tall and scream if needs be....is sad watching from afar.
i was a porchester boys school user in 1984..sister at avonbourne ..was hectic then for a cyclist (as a kid all ya wanna do is get out of school grounds as quick as poss) (yes used me tredder then).... well lets see it get built and then watch all the reports on it and moan and moan...instead of donning yer wellies and forming a residents group that will NOT allow it to happen...people in suits are just as it says...people.The suit bit make them think there better but a good old resident ranting and with back up from many other residents could and can change the plans..block the roads now with your cars , create a sound that isnt going to simmer. thats whats wrong with all u.k ers.......over the last 30 years or so we have become spineless.....stand tall and scream if needs be....is sad watching from afar. nigelperkins

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