Bournemouth council urged: think again about Richmond Hill cycle lanes before someone is killed

Bournemouth Echo: UNSAFE: New cycles lanes along Wimborne Road leading to Richmond Hill roundabout and on the roundabout itself. UNSAFE: New cycles lanes along Wimborne Road leading to Richmond Hill roundabout and on the roundabout itself.

NEW cycle lanes at Bournemouth’s Richmond Hill roundabout could put lives in danger, it has been claimed.

Cycling expert Jason Falconer said large vehicles will have ‘no option’ but to encroach into a cycle lane in order to negotiate a corner.

And he said cyclists also face the prospect of having to cross in front of vehicles, depending on which direction they intend to travel.

Now he has urged Bournemouth council to think again before someone is killed.

His comments come as a major road safety campaign is launched in London following six deaths in less than two weeks.

Left-turning lorries have been involved in several deaths and Jason, a member of the Bournemouth Cycling Forum, said he fears the same could happen in Bournemouth.

New road markings indicate that cyclists travelling from Cemetery Junction towards the roundabout should be positioned in a cycle lane between two other lanes of traffic, one to go right or to Richmond Hill and the other to turn left on to the Wessex Way sliproad.

But Jason said: “An 18-wheeler would have to take up the whole cycle lane to be able to turn left. “The only thing that could get round there safely would be a Smart car.

“If a cyclist wanted to turn left they would have to be super quick to cross in front of other road users.”

He said he welcomes moves to accommodate cyclists but added: “I am urging them to look at the experience of London and start to try and make schemes which are really innovative, but worth doing.

“They need to think about it a bit more.

“It is not just about spending the money, it’s about spending it properly.”

Councillor Michael Filer, Cabinet Member for Transport, Cleansing and Waste, said: “The Richmond Hill roundabout improvements have essentially been completed and the scheme is fully operating.

"The new design includes new traffic signals while improving cycle safety with new cycle lanes which meet the required width of two metres.

“We are currently using temporary traffic signals at the roundabout while we wait to receive the permanent ones.

“There has unfortunately been a delay in them arriving, however this will not affect cyclists or motorists when using the new improved layout.”

He added: "Before finalising the cycle line markings not only did the councils own Road Safety Team work on the format but in addition there was full consultation with Bournemouth Cycling Forum both at their regular meeting and also separately with their Chairman and other members on two occasions in the Town Hall to be sure that all possible safety aspects were considered and included."

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7:12pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Linguist says...

Councillor Michael Filer, Cabinet Member for Transport, Cleansing and Waste, said: “The Richmond Hill roundabout improvements have essentially been completed and the scheme is fully operating. The new design includes new traffic signals while improving cycle safety with new cycle lanes which meet the required width of two metres.

Sooooo Cllr Filer knows better than cycling expert Jason Falconer . I really hope that no cyclist is harmed in the near future, but if they are, then cllr Filer, i hope you are sued to hell and back. You're not only pompous but have no b***s when it comes to listening to an expert and taking his advice. I wonder sometimes how you can carry on.
Councillor Michael Filer, Cabinet Member for Transport, Cleansing and Waste, said: “The Richmond Hill roundabout improvements have essentially been completed and the scheme is fully operating. The new design includes new traffic signals while improving cycle safety with new cycle lanes which meet the required width of two metres. Sooooo Cllr Filer knows better than cycling expert Jason Falconer . I really hope that no cyclist is harmed in the near future, but if they are, then cllr Filer, i hope you are sued to hell and back. You're not only pompous but have no b***s when it comes to listening to an expert and taking his advice. I wonder sometimes how you can carry on. Linguist

6:30am Tue 3 Dec 13

manyogie says...

Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.
Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples. manyogie

6:33am Tue 3 Dec 13

retry69 says...

A typical Councillors response, if I have read the article correctly not one of Jason Falconers concerns has been answered by Cllr.Filer
A typical Councillors response, if I have read the article correctly not one of Jason Falconers concerns has been answered by Cllr.Filer retry69

7:30am Tue 3 Dec 13

steve518 says...

Typical council reply, total bs, doesn't directly reply to any of the comments made. Drove past the new lane last week, as a cyclist as well as a motorist I was horrified by the layout, I will not be using it when out on my bike. Let's just hope that there in no serious injuries or a death because of it. Councillor filer you have been warned but I imagine that you have not taken s single word on board.
Typical council reply, total bs, doesn't directly reply to any of the comments made. Drove past the new lane last week, as a cyclist as well as a motorist I was horrified by the layout, I will not be using it when out on my bike. Let's just hope that there in no serious injuries or a death because of it. Councillor filer you have been warned but I imagine that you have not taken s single word on board. steve518

7:36am Tue 3 Dec 13

tbpoole says...

Linguist wrote:
Councillor Michael Filer, Cabinet Member for Transport, Cleansing and Waste, said: “The Richmond Hill roundabout improvements have essentially been completed and the scheme is fully operating. The new design includes new traffic signals while improving cycle safety with new cycle lanes which meet the required width of two metres.

Sooooo Cllr Filer knows better than cycling expert Jason Falconer . I really hope that no cyclist is harmed in the near future, but if they are, then cllr Filer, i hope you are sued to hell and back. You're not only pompous but have no b***s when it comes to listening to an expert and taking his advice. I wonder sometimes how you can carry on.
No, what about the lorry driver being sued? There's no such thing as a dangerous road; only dangerous drivers.
[quote][p][bold]Linguist[/bold] wrote: Councillor Michael Filer, Cabinet Member for Transport, Cleansing and Waste, said: “The Richmond Hill roundabout improvements have essentially been completed and the scheme is fully operating. The new design includes new traffic signals while improving cycle safety with new cycle lanes which meet the required width of two metres. Sooooo Cllr Filer knows better than cycling expert Jason Falconer . I really hope that no cyclist is harmed in the near future, but if they are, then cllr Filer, i hope you are sued to hell and back. You're not only pompous but have no b***s when it comes to listening to an expert and taking his advice. I wonder sometimes how you can carry on.[/p][/quote]No, what about the lorry driver being sued? There's no such thing as a dangerous road; only dangerous drivers. tbpoole

7:45am Tue 3 Dec 13

Hickery says...

I was shocked when I first saw the new layout. You don't need to be an expert to see that the new layout on approach is lunacy. Please swallow your pride and scrub it asap!?
I was shocked when I first saw the new layout. You don't need to be an expert to see that the new layout on approach is lunacy. Please swallow your pride and scrub it asap!? Hickery

8:17am Tue 3 Dec 13

mac340v8 says...

As a driving instructor of 28 years experience, I can honestly say the new layout of the Richmond hill roundabout is madness.
As a driving instructor of 28 years experience, I can honestly say the new layout of the Richmond hill roundabout is madness. mac340v8

8:18am Tue 3 Dec 13

Chris@Bmouth says...

Waiting to receive the permanent lights........ffs
Waiting to receive the permanent lights........ffs Chris@Bmouth

8:49am Tue 3 Dec 13

Holes Bay Curve says...

manyogie wrote:
Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.
Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators.
If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists.
As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples!
[quote][p][bold]manyogie[/bold] wrote: Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.[/p][/quote]Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators. If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists. As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples! Holes Bay Curve

9:04am Tue 3 Dec 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

@Holes Bay Curve - you are correct about putting bikes in front of cars. However, the problem with the Richmond Hill setup is that the ASL (shown in the picture) is about 30 yards away from the danger point which is the Richmond Hill exit where cars want to turn left across the path of cyclists carrying on down the hill.
The promised trial of staggered lights will give cyclists a small head start but this will not be enough for them to clear the junction before the traffic reaches them.
@Holes Bay Curve - you are correct about putting bikes in front of cars. However, the problem with the Richmond Hill setup is that the ASL (shown in the picture) is about 30 yards away from the danger point which is the Richmond Hill exit where cars want to turn left across the path of cyclists carrying on down the hill. The promised trial of staggered lights will give cyclists a small head start but this will not be enough for them to clear the junction before the traffic reaches them. mikey2gorgeous

9:09am Tue 3 Dec 13

InkZ says...

ok, I cycle through this junction every day, here's some proper feedback.

1) Cars just ignore the lane cutting right across it like it's not there.
2) If they acknowledge the lane then you have to cycle up their blind spot hoping they spot you before moving across to turn left
3) If you manage to survive actually getting up to the roundabout you are now in between two lanes of traffic. If someone in the left lane decides they are in the wrong lane you get squeezed between two cars as they go straight across (had this happen).
4) If you make it to the traffic lights and they are red, this is your best scenario because you can get in front of the cars so you are in the lane to go straight down Richmond hill.
5) If you are unlucky enough to hit the lights as they go green, you now have a load of bunched up cars either side of you and you are squeezed between two lanes and getting in the lane to go down Richmond Hill is actually impossible (had this happen this morning).

Before all this nonsense I would approach from Cemetry Junction, get in front of the cars in the right hand lane and progress across the roundabout in primary position and be in the correct lane to go down Richmond hill. The only danger I ever felt were the cars coming up the slip road might pull out in front of me, but I just watched them like a hawk. I now feel in Danger in 3 different positions on this junction.

If the council actually listened instead of blindly painting green lines to meet their cycle safety quota we might actually be able to get some half decent roads.

Coming to town from Winton direction, the most dangerous points are the cycle lane on Wimborne Road just after the road about at the top of Winton heading towards the cemetry because cars always cut the corner through the lane, or drift in to it while on the phone (these happen to me frequently) and now Richmond hill roundabout which wasn't an issue before.

If you can't segregate the lane, then don't bother making one, they are more dangerous than being part of the traffic.

The correct thing for me to do at Richmond Hill now is to ignore the cycle lane and pull in front of the traffic in the right hand lane. How much abuse do you think I would get for doing that?
ok, I cycle through this junction every day, here's some proper feedback. 1) Cars just ignore the lane cutting right across it like it's not there. 2) If they acknowledge the lane then you have to cycle up their blind spot hoping they spot you before moving across to turn left 3) If you manage to survive actually getting up to the roundabout you are now in between two lanes of traffic. If someone in the left lane decides they are in the wrong lane you get squeezed between two cars as they go straight across (had this happen). 4) If you make it to the traffic lights and they are red, this is your best scenario because you can get in front of the cars so you are in the lane to go straight down Richmond hill. 5) If you are unlucky enough to hit the lights as they go green, you now have a load of bunched up cars either side of you and you are squeezed between two lanes and getting in the lane to go down Richmond Hill is actually impossible (had this happen this morning). Before all this nonsense I would approach from Cemetry Junction, get in front of the cars in the right hand lane and progress across the roundabout in primary position and be in the correct lane to go down Richmond hill. The only danger I ever felt were the cars coming up the slip road might pull out in front of me, but I just watched them like a hawk. I now feel in Danger in 3 different positions on this junction. If the council actually listened instead of blindly painting green lines to meet their cycle safety quota we might actually be able to get some half decent roads. Coming to town from Winton direction, the most dangerous points are the cycle lane on Wimborne Road just after the road about at the top of Winton heading towards the cemetry because cars always cut the corner through the lane, or drift in to it while on the phone (these happen to me frequently) and now Richmond hill roundabout which wasn't an issue before. If you can't segregate the lane, then don't bother making one, they are more dangerous than being part of the traffic. The correct thing for me to do at Richmond Hill now is to ignore the cycle lane and pull in front of the traffic in the right hand lane. How much abuse do you think I would get for doing that? InkZ

9:10am Tue 3 Dec 13

suzigirl says...

Are there no pavements then?
Are there no pavements then? suzigirl

9:15am Tue 3 Dec 13

a.g.o.g. says...

THINK - ?
Ha-ha
Ha!
THINK - ? Ha-ha Ha! a.g.o.g.

9:26am Tue 3 Dec 13

Eddie's dog says...

Road traffic engineers are the problem.
The artistic side of the brain ( nice curves, hatching, and as many different 'road calming' / sleeping policemen layouts as possible) should not take precedence over the engineering of proper road widths, lorry turning areas, safe cycling zones, etc.
But in the rte 'design studio' they all think they are David Hockney.............
Road traffic engineers are the problem. The artistic side of the brain ( nice curves, hatching, and as many different 'road calming' / sleeping policemen layouts as possible) should not take precedence over the engineering of proper road widths, lorry turning areas, safe cycling zones, etc. But in the rte 'design studio' they all think they are David Hockney............. Eddie's dog

9:26am Tue 3 Dec 13

B'mth 56 says...

Holes Bay Curve wrote:
manyogie wrote:
Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.
Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators.
If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists.
As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples!
To someone who is new to the area and driving at night the cycle lane is not the easiest thing to see in the world! Put that together with the amount of cyclists that do not have lights on their bikes and you have an ACCIDENT!
[quote][p][bold]Holes Bay Curve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manyogie[/bold] wrote: Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.[/p][/quote]Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators. If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists. As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples![/p][/quote]To someone who is new to the area and driving at night the cycle lane is not the easiest thing to see in the world! Put that together with the amount of cyclists that do not have lights on their bikes and you have an ACCIDENT! B'mth 56

9:45am Tue 3 Dec 13

PokesdownMark says...

I've not needed to use the new road layout. But if these cycle lanes have broken white lines then it is legal for vehicles to cross into them. It sounds like they SHOULD have solid white lines to give cyclists the protection they deserve. But there may not have been sufficient space to use solid white lines.... which was the clue, wasn't it? The blindingly obvious clue.
I've not needed to use the new road layout. But if these cycle lanes have broken white lines then it is legal for vehicles to cross into them. It sounds like they SHOULD have solid white lines to give cyclists the protection they deserve. But there may not have been sufficient space to use solid white lines.... which was the clue, wasn't it? The blindingly obvious clue. PokesdownMark

9:59am Tue 3 Dec 13

Garth the Tractor Boy says...

A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing.

It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak.

In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe?

They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do.

When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching.

To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more.

Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there?
A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing. It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak. In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe? They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do. When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching. To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more. Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there? Garth the Tractor Boy

10:02am Tue 3 Dec 13

Ash_69 says...

I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole.

The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly.

Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :) Ash_69

10:07am Tue 3 Dec 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

B'mth 56 wrote:
Holes Bay Curve wrote:
manyogie wrote:
Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.
Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators.
If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists.
As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples!
To someone who is new to the area and driving at night the cycle lane is not the easiest thing to see in the world! Put that together with the amount of cyclists that do not have lights on their bikes and you have an ACCIDENT!
I agree the cycle lane markings are hard to see.

However, if you are new to the area and driving at night I would urge you to slow down so you can see cyclists, pedestrians, animals and any obstacles in the road in good time. It's YOUR responsibility to not hit things, whether or not they should have lights.
[quote][p][bold]B'mth 56[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holes Bay Curve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manyogie[/bold] wrote: Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.[/p][/quote]Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators. If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists. As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples![/p][/quote]To someone who is new to the area and driving at night the cycle lane is not the easiest thing to see in the world! Put that together with the amount of cyclists that do not have lights on their bikes and you have an ACCIDENT![/p][/quote]I agree the cycle lane markings are hard to see. However, if you are new to the area and driving at night I would urge you to slow down so you can see cyclists, pedestrians, animals and any obstacles in the road in good time. It's YOUR responsibility to not hit things, whether or not they should have lights. mikey2gorgeous

10:10am Tue 3 Dec 13

hrryseccombe says...

The culture of unaccountability and indeed indifference to the needs of it's residents, allows this situation to occur where town halls inability to engage and listen is directly putting lives at risk.
The culture of unaccountability and indeed indifference to the needs of it's residents, allows this situation to occur where town halls inability to engage and listen is directly putting lives at risk. hrryseccombe

10:11am Tue 3 Dec 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

Ash_69 wrote:
I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole.

The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly.

Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
[quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all. mikey2gorgeous

10:46am Tue 3 Dec 13

suzigirl says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
B'mth 56 wrote:
Holes Bay Curve wrote:
manyogie wrote: Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.
Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators. If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists. As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples!
To someone who is new to the area and driving at night the cycle lane is not the easiest thing to see in the world! Put that together with the amount of cyclists that do not have lights on their bikes and you have an ACCIDENT!
I agree the cycle lane markings are hard to see. However, if you are new to the area and driving at night I would urge you to slow down so you can see cyclists, pedestrians, animals and any obstacles in the road in good time. It's YOUR responsibility to not hit things, whether or not they should have lights.
I just don't believe some of these comments regarding wearing the right clothing/lights on at night. Whatever mode of transport it is up to the individual to be seen at night. I ride a motorbike and use my lights day and night so I don't see how cyclists are different!
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B'mth 56[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holes Bay Curve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manyogie[/bold] wrote: Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.[/p][/quote]Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators. If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists. As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples![/p][/quote]To someone who is new to the area and driving at night the cycle lane is not the easiest thing to see in the world! Put that together with the amount of cyclists that do not have lights on their bikes and you have an ACCIDENT![/p][/quote]I agree the cycle lane markings are hard to see. However, if you are new to the area and driving at night I would urge you to slow down so you can see cyclists, pedestrians, animals and any obstacles in the road in good time. It's YOUR responsibility to not hit things, whether or not they should have lights.[/p][/quote]I just don't believe some of these comments regarding wearing the right clothing/lights on at night. Whatever mode of transport it is up to the individual to be seen at night. I ride a motorbike and use my lights day and night so I don't see how cyclists are different! suzigirl

10:52am Tue 3 Dec 13

cw10tt says...

The road design is utter madness, dangerous and not thought out. I am a very keen cyclist and i would love to take Mr Filer on the back of my tandem so he can see the real problem. A cyclist will follow the cycle lane straight in front of a car who feels he has priority, question is who has priority? The green markings will not be seen in heavy rain and will wear out very soon.
The road design is utter madness, dangerous and not thought out. I am a very keen cyclist and i would love to take Mr Filer on the back of my tandem so he can see the real problem. A cyclist will follow the cycle lane straight in front of a car who feels he has priority, question is who has priority? The green markings will not be seen in heavy rain and will wear out very soon. cw10tt

11:17am Tue 3 Dec 13

a.g.o.g. says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote:
I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole.

The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly.

Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..! a.g.o.g.

11:22am Tue 3 Dec 13

speedy231278 says...

It's a stupid layout, and the traffic lights are completely unnecessary. The fact that there have already been accidents and near misses after the 'improvement' just shows that it's the utterly asinine idea that everyone - including cyclists - said it was before the council even started to waste our money on it. A cycle lane in the middle of the entrance to a roundabout is just asking for accidents.
It's a stupid layout, and the traffic lights are completely unnecessary. The fact that there have already been accidents and near misses after the 'improvement' just shows that it's the utterly asinine idea that everyone - including cyclists - said it was before the council even started to waste our money on it. A cycle lane in the middle of the entrance to a roundabout is just asking for accidents. speedy231278

11:37am Tue 3 Dec 13

bobthedestroyer says...

Probably designed by a non-motorist. This is a failed attempt to try and srug off the report that Bournemouth is dangerous for cyclists. May have been safer if they had put a cycle lane circling the entire roundabout and lit it up like a Christmas tree at night.

This design has deliberately put cyclists in harms way.

When the first cyclist is knocked off, both impacted parties should sue the Council for creating the dangerous situation in the first place.

The money should have been spent improving the underpass and lighting it up like a Christmas tree.
Probably designed by a non-motorist. This is a failed attempt to try and srug off the report that Bournemouth is dangerous for cyclists. May have been safer if they had put a cycle lane circling the entire roundabout and lit it up like a Christmas tree at night. This design has deliberately put cyclists in harms way. When the first cyclist is knocked off, both impacted parties should sue the Council for creating the dangerous situation in the first place. The money should have been spent improving the underpass and lighting it up like a Christmas tree. bobthedestroyer

11:39am Tue 3 Dec 13

BIGTONE says...

Now that any problems, concerns or suggestions have been aired in public and nothing is done,that will make it easier for someone to sue the Council if an incident occurs.
Now that any problems, concerns or suggestions have been aired in public and nothing is done,that will make it easier for someone to sue the Council if an incident occurs. BIGTONE

11:46am Tue 3 Dec 13

fedupwithjobsworths says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
B'mth 56 wrote:
Holes Bay Curve wrote:
manyogie wrote: Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.
Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators. If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists. As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples!
To someone who is new to the area and driving at night the cycle lane is not the easiest thing to see in the world! Put that together with the amount of cyclists that do not have lights on their bikes and you have an ACCIDENT!
I agree the cycle lane markings are hard to see. However, if you are new to the area and driving at night I would urge you to slow down so you can see cyclists, pedestrians, animals and any obstacles in the road in good time. It's YOUR responsibility to not hit things, whether or not they should have lights.
......and it is also the cyclists responsibility to use lights at night and obey the highway code.
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B'mth 56[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holes Bay Curve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manyogie[/bold] wrote: Putting bikes in front of cars at busy junctions is murderous, a bike cannot accelerate as fast as a car, simples.[/p][/quote]Actually, putting cyclists ahead of motorists at traffic lights can be a life saver because the motorist (doing a left hand turn) can hardly fail to notice the bike. I, however would not stop in front of a vehicle on my bike - but position myself ahead-left of the vehicle if safe to do so. Like wise, as a motorist for 30 years I would take due care of the cyclists ahead of my vehicle and provide warning to following vehicles by correct use of indicators. If motorists slowed down and expect the unexpected then many accidents could be prevented - that's not to say that many cycle lanes are just plain dangerous and presumably designed by box ticking NON cyclists. As for the 'them and us' debate , many cyclist are just as bad as many motorists - simples![/p][/quote]To someone who is new to the area and driving at night the cycle lane is not the easiest thing to see in the world! Put that together with the amount of cyclists that do not have lights on their bikes and you have an ACCIDENT![/p][/quote]I agree the cycle lane markings are hard to see. However, if you are new to the area and driving at night I would urge you to slow down so you can see cyclists, pedestrians, animals and any obstacles in the road in good time. It's YOUR responsibility to not hit things, whether or not they should have lights.[/p][/quote]......and it is also the cyclists responsibility to use lights at night and obey the highway code. fedupwithjobsworths

11:47am Tue 3 Dec 13

suzigirl says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy! suzigirl

12:06pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Redgolfer says...

Garth the Tractor Boy wrote:
A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing.

It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak.

In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe?

They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do.

When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching.

To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more.

Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there?
Filer RESIGN, you have NOT GOT A CLUE????????????????
???
[quote][p][bold]Garth the Tractor Boy[/bold] wrote: A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing. It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak. In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe? They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do. When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching. To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more. Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there?[/p][/quote]Filer RESIGN, you have NOT GOT A CLUE???????????????? ??? Redgolfer

1:46pm Tue 3 Dec 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

suzigirl wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
If your husband wasn't looking properly what difference would it have made if the cyclist had lights on?
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy![/p][/quote]If your husband wasn't looking properly what difference would it have made if the cyclist had lights on? mikey2gorgeous

2:01pm Tue 3 Dec 13

The Engineer says...

Redgolfer wrote:
Garth the Tractor Boy wrote:
A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing.

It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak.

In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe?

They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do.

When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching.

To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more.

Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there?
Filer RESIGN, you have NOT GOT A CLUE????????????????

???
Exactly, since when have non-technical, Nano IQ councillors and jobsworths been capable of rational thought?
Are they sure that they've 'taken on board' and understood the advice given by the Road Safety Team; have they taken any advice from the local cycling fraternity?
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garth the Tractor Boy[/bold] wrote: A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing. It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak. In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe? They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do. When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching. To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more. Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there?[/p][/quote]Filer RESIGN, you have NOT GOT A CLUE???????????????? ???[/p][/quote]Exactly, since when have non-technical, Nano IQ councillors and jobsworths been capable of rational thought? Are they sure that they've 'taken on board' and understood the advice given by the Road Safety Team; have they taken any advice from the local cycling fraternity? The Engineer

2:11pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Kiki1973 says...

The lights seem to have slowed things down considerably, which can only be a plus, but the cycle lane is impossible to get across in a car without going over some of the (solid lined = no crossing) green lane. I hope that the lights are actually forcing everyone to slow down and pay attention, not just me, as you need to watch the bike lane like a hawk whatever vehicle you're in control of.
The lights seem to have slowed things down considerably, which can only be a plus, but the cycle lane is impossible to get across in a car without going over some of the (solid lined = no crossing) green lane. I hope that the lights are actually forcing everyone to slow down and pay attention, not just me, as you need to watch the bike lane like a hawk whatever vehicle you're in control of. Kiki1973

2:12pm Tue 3 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

suzigirl wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy![/p][/quote]Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching? jobsworthwatch

2:17pm Tue 3 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

I have driven through the new layout and am confident that sooner rather than later someone on a cycle is very likely to be seriously injured or far worse.

£Thousands of public money has been spent turning a mildly unsatisfactory roundabout into a cyclist's death trap.

Well done Councillor Filer and all concerned for this utter madness.
I have driven through the new layout and am confident that sooner rather than later someone on a cycle is very likely to be seriously injured or far worse. £Thousands of public money has been spent turning a mildly unsatisfactory roundabout into a cyclist's death trap. Well done Councillor Filer and all concerned for this utter madness. muscliffman

2:35pm Tue 3 Dec 13

PokesdownMark says...

Some years ago I heard 2nd hand that nobody in the councils road department held a driving license. Not a single one. Perhaps the echo could sniff out a story here - though I certainly hope things have changed?
Some years ago I heard 2nd hand that nobody in the councils road department held a driving license. Not a single one. Perhaps the echo could sniff out a story here - though I certainly hope things have changed? PokesdownMark

2:38pm Tue 3 Dec 13

hadvar says...

Papering over the cracks of a crumbling and dangerous transport system. For one of the largest conurbations in the country, the transport system is a joke. They obviously have money burning a hole in their trousers, so they wizz it away on nonesense that simply isn't going to help. This particular 'improvement' is dangerous. Matter of time before there is a KSI stat here. Mr Filler should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for making such phenomonally stupid comments. If cycling is an critical part of the transport policy, fine. Treat it like one. Separate the cyclists from the traffic on proper, arterial cycle routes.
Papering over the cracks of a crumbling and dangerous transport system. For one of the largest conurbations in the country, the transport system is a joke. They obviously have money burning a hole in their trousers, so they wizz it away on nonesense that simply isn't going to help. This particular 'improvement' is dangerous. Matter of time before there is a KSI stat here. Mr Filler should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for making such phenomonally stupid comments. If cycling is an critical part of the transport policy, fine. Treat it like one. Separate the cyclists from the traffic on proper, arterial cycle routes. hadvar

2:41pm Tue 3 Dec 13

suzigirl says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?
HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy![/p][/quote]Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?[/p][/quote]HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! suzigirl

2:46pm Tue 3 Dec 13

InkZ says...

suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?
HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
What does opening a car door on a cyclist have to do with Richmond Hill roundabout?
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy![/p][/quote]Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?[/p][/quote]HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE![/p][/quote]What does opening a car door on a cyclist have to do with Richmond Hill roundabout? InkZ

3:19pm Tue 3 Dec 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
Some years ago I heard 2nd hand that nobody in the councils road department held a driving license. Not a single one. Perhaps the echo could sniff out a story here - though I certainly hope things have changed?
You probably read it on here.

Did you also know that Cllr Filer is colourblind and Cllr Beesley only has one testicle? David Cameron has 6 toes and Boris Johnson is an idiot.

(Caution - only one of the above is true!)

Would you like to buy some warranties or invest in a pyramid scheme?
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: Some years ago I heard 2nd hand that nobody in the councils road department held a driving license. Not a single one. Perhaps the echo could sniff out a story here - though I certainly hope things have changed?[/p][/quote]You probably read it on here. Did you also know that Cllr Filer is colourblind and Cllr Beesley only has one testicle? David Cameron has 6 toes and Boris Johnson is an idiot. (Caution - only one of the above is true!) Would you like to buy some warranties or invest in a pyramid scheme? mikey2gorgeous

4:09pm Tue 3 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?
HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy![/p][/quote]Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?[/p][/quote]HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE![/p][/quote]So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science. jobsworthwatch

4:14pm Tue 3 Dec 13

bobthedestroyer says...

The Engineer wrote:
Redgolfer wrote:
Garth the Tractor Boy wrote:
A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing.

It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak.

In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe?

They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do.

When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching.

To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more.

Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there?
Filer RESIGN, you have NOT GOT A CLUE????????????????


???
Exactly, since when have non-technical, Nano IQ councillors and jobsworths been capable of rational thought?
Are they sure that they've 'taken on board' and understood the advice given by the Road Safety Team; have they taken any advice from the local cycling fraternity?
The officers initiate the problem then the Cllrs just approve it, they dare not go against the officers plans
[quote][p][bold]The Engineer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garth the Tractor Boy[/bold] wrote: A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing. It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak. In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe? They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do. When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching. To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more. Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there?[/p][/quote]Filer RESIGN, you have NOT GOT A CLUE???????????????? ???[/p][/quote]Exactly, since when have non-technical, Nano IQ councillors and jobsworths been capable of rational thought? Are they sure that they've 'taken on board' and understood the advice given by the Road Safety Team; have they taken any advice from the local cycling fraternity?[/p][/quote]The officers initiate the problem then the Cllrs just approve it, they dare not go against the officers plans bobthedestroyer

4:20pm Tue 3 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

Good picture of the diligent cyclist patiently waiting for the green light. Wonder if he looked over his right shoulder at the cars revving up on the 'starting grid' before he pushing off? If he did I bet had to stop before the top of Richmond Hill to change his pants!
Good picture of the diligent cyclist patiently waiting for the green light. Wonder if he looked over his right shoulder at the cars revving up on the 'starting grid' before he pushing off? If he did I bet had to stop before the top of Richmond Hill to change his pants! jobsworthwatch

4:33pm Tue 3 Dec 13

suzigirl says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?
HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science.
Roads don't move, kerbs don't move, parked black cars don't move, pedestrians would be crossing either front or back of parked car - cyclist is moving but thank heavens you wrote "Obviously the cyclist should have lights" which is the point I was making - I bet you you could argue with yourself!
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy![/p][/quote]Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?[/p][/quote]HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE![/p][/quote]So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science.[/p][/quote]Roads don't move, kerbs don't move, parked black cars don't move, pedestrians would be crossing either front or back of parked car - cyclist is moving but thank heavens you wrote "Obviously the cyclist should have lights" which is the point I was making - I bet you you could argue with yourself! suzigirl

4:35pm Tue 3 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
The Engineer wrote:
Redgolfer wrote:
Garth the Tractor Boy wrote:
A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing.

It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak.

In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe?

They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do.

When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching.

To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more.

Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there?
Filer RESIGN, you have NOT GOT A CLUE????????????????



???
Exactly, since when have non-technical, Nano IQ councillors and jobsworths been capable of rational thought?
Are they sure that they've 'taken on board' and understood the advice given by the Road Safety Team; have they taken any advice from the local cycling fraternity?
The officers initiate the problem then the Cllrs just approve it, they dare not go against the officers plans
Obviously, with only a Nano IQ how can they possibly understand anything they are being told by the Road Safety Team and consultants; and that's assuming that they are fit for purpose too!
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Engineer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garth the Tractor Boy[/bold] wrote: A "new and IMPROVED layout"? I think Councillor Michael Filer needs his head testing. It is a prime example of a Council undertaking unnecessary 'improvements' simply because they have a grant to improve cycling safety - 'use it or lose it' so to speak. In my opinion they have turned a decent free flowing roundabout into an absolute nightmare. Since when has cycling in between two lanes been safe? They have failed to put ANY road markings on the slip road entering the roundabout. I have seen many cars in the left hand lane wanting to go straight over as that is the logical thing to do. When coming round the roundabout from the other direction you cannot see if there are queues in the left hand lane until you are in the yellow hatching, hence you end up waiting in the hatching. To make matters worse, in the time they were undertaking the 'improvements' I have witnessed 3 accidents with cars coming off the slip road and have previously seen many many more. Why didn't the Council remedy this REAL PROBLEM instead of trying to fix a problem that wasn't there?[/p][/quote]Filer RESIGN, you have NOT GOT A CLUE???????????????? ???[/p][/quote]Exactly, since when have non-technical, Nano IQ councillors and jobsworths been capable of rational thought? Are they sure that they've 'taken on board' and understood the advice given by the Road Safety Team; have they taken any advice from the local cycling fraternity?[/p][/quote]The officers initiate the problem then the Cllrs just approve it, they dare not go against the officers plans[/p][/quote]Obviously, with only a Nano IQ how can they possibly understand anything they are being told by the Road Safety Team and consultants; and that's assuming that they are fit for purpose too! jobsworthwatch

4:40pm Tue 3 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?
HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science.
Roads don't move, kerbs don't move, parked black cars don't move, pedestrians would be crossing either front or back of parked car - cyclist is moving but thank heavens you wrote "Obviously the cyclist should have lights" which is the point I was making - I bet you you could argue with yourself!
Read it again, if something moves its more visible than if its stationary its not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy![/p][/quote]Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?[/p][/quote]HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE![/p][/quote]So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science.[/p][/quote]Roads don't move, kerbs don't move, parked black cars don't move, pedestrians would be crossing either front or back of parked car - cyclist is moving but thank heavens you wrote "Obviously the cyclist should have lights" which is the point I was making - I bet you you could argue with yourself![/p][/quote]Read it again, if something moves its more visible than if its stationary its not rocket science. jobsworthwatch

4:53pm Tue 3 Dec 13

suzigirl says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?
HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science.
Roads don't move, kerbs don't move, parked black cars don't move, pedestrians would be crossing either front or back of parked car - cyclist is moving but thank heavens you wrote "Obviously the cyclist should have lights" which is the point I was making - I bet you you could argue with yourself!
Read it again, if something moves its more visible than if its stationary its not rocket science.
At what speed?
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy![/p][/quote]Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?[/p][/quote]HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE![/p][/quote]So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science.[/p][/quote]Roads don't move, kerbs don't move, parked black cars don't move, pedestrians would be crossing either front or back of parked car - cyclist is moving but thank heavens you wrote "Obviously the cyclist should have lights" which is the point I was making - I bet you you could argue with yourself![/p][/quote]Read it again, if something moves its more visible than if its stationary its not rocket science.[/p][/quote]At what speed? suzigirl

5:22pm Tue 3 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
Some years ago I heard 2nd hand that nobody in the councils road department held a driving license. Not a single one. Perhaps the echo could sniff out a story here - though I certainly hope things have changed?
I did not read it on here but I was also once aware that a remarkable number of Officers in the Town Hall who were heavily involved in highways and transport did not have driving licenses. I do not know the current position.

A very similar situation I am aware of also exists within the Government Department of Transport where some senior figures cannot and never have driven a car, yet they sit in positions of authority and judgement on many important road transport matters.

It does explain quite a lot!
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: Some years ago I heard 2nd hand that nobody in the councils road department held a driving license. Not a single one. Perhaps the echo could sniff out a story here - though I certainly hope things have changed?[/p][/quote]I did not read it on here but I was also once aware that a remarkable number of Officers in the Town Hall who were heavily involved in highways and transport did not have driving licenses. I do not know the current position. A very similar situation I am aware of also exists within the Government Department of Transport where some senior figures cannot and never have driven a car, yet they sit in positions of authority and judgement on many important road transport matters. It does explain quite a lot! muscliffman

6:08pm Tue 3 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)
I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.
you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..!
"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy!
Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?
HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science.
Roads don't move, kerbs don't move, parked black cars don't move, pedestrians would be crossing either front or back of parked car - cyclist is moving but thank heavens you wrote "Obviously the cyclist should have lights" which is the point I was making - I bet you you could argue with yourself!
Read it again, if something moves its more visible than if its stationary its not rocket science.
At what speed?
cycling speed?
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: I've not had the joy of riding this on my bike yet, but I did by car he other day. When coming down to cross the roundabout and go down Richmond Hill, I stayed in the right hand lane as clearly indicated. There was a bit of a queue as the space on the roundabout was taken so impatient drivers behind then jump to the left hand lane which is meant as a filter to the A338 only straight over the cycle lanes and cut up other cars to get to Richmond hill. One even continued round to the A338 towards Poole. The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout that this makes this a danger area. If a cyclist was in the way, would the driver see them as they were looking right to jump across quickly. Luckily I don't work on Richmond Hill anymore and have a "Nicer" cycle down castle lane instead :)[/p][/quote]I did suggest to the road safety dept that came up with these plans that they could simply close the east-bound slip-road but this was greeted with laughter and dismissed with no consideration at all.[/p][/quote]you appear to qualify for job in the highways dept..![/p][/quote]"The drivers seem to be so concerned about beating the traffic and ignoring the layout" Cyclists do this as well i.e. cycling on pavements and red traffic light jumping! Bad motorists and bad cyclists and lest I forget again bad motorcyclists! Last night when my husband opened his car door he just missed a cyclist on the road with no lights and dark clothing on - lucky boy![/p][/quote]Didn't look before he opened the door then? You saw the cyclist when he had passed but not when he was approaching?[/p][/quote]HE HAD NO LIGHTS ON AND IT WAS DARK AND HE HAD DARK CLOTHES ON. HE ONLY NOTICED THE CYCLIST BECAUSE HE FELT HIM PASS BY THE CAR DOOR. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VISIBLE IF HE HAD LIGHTS! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE![/p][/quote]So you can see the road, the kerb, pedestrians and everything else that doesn't sport lights that lines the sides of our roads; how many black parked cars without lights have you driven into? Obviously the cyclist should have lights but he is no different to all of the other non illuminated objects on and along the sides of our roads, The cyclist was moving and would be more visible compared to all the other non illuminated stationary hazards. Sorry, no excuses, it's not rocket science.[/p][/quote]Roads don't move, kerbs don't move, parked black cars don't move, pedestrians would be crossing either front or back of parked car - cyclist is moving but thank heavens you wrote "Obviously the cyclist should have lights" which is the point I was making - I bet you you could argue with yourself![/p][/quote]Read it again, if something moves its more visible than if its stationary its not rocket science.[/p][/quote]At what speed?[/p][/quote]cycling speed? jobsworthwatch

9:41pm Tue 3 Dec 13

O'Reilly says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
Good picture of the diligent cyclist patiently waiting for the green light. Wonder if he looked over his right shoulder at the cars revving up on the 'starting grid' before he pushing off? If he did I bet had to stop before the top of Richmond Hill to change his pants!
You want to try going round Hyde Park Corner -in the rush hour - on a bicycle.......I have when I was younger, still wake up in cold sweats thinking of my foolishness.........
...............
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: Good picture of the diligent cyclist patiently waiting for the green light. Wonder if he looked over his right shoulder at the cars revving up on the 'starting grid' before he pushing off? If he did I bet had to stop before the top of Richmond Hill to change his pants![/p][/quote]You want to try going round Hyde Park Corner -in the rush hour - on a bicycle.......I have when I was younger, still wake up in cold sweats thinking of my foolishness......... ............... O'Reilly

10:27pm Tue 3 Dec 13

tbpoole says...

tbpoole wrote:
Linguist wrote:
Councillor Michael Filer, Cabinet Member for Transport, Cleansing and Waste, said: “The Richmond Hill roundabout improvements have essentially been completed and the scheme is fully operating. The new design includes new traffic signals while improving cycle safety with new cycle lanes which meet the required width of two metres.

Sooooo Cllr Filer knows better than cycling expert Jason Falconer . I really hope that no cyclist is harmed in the near future, but if they are, then cllr Filer, i hope you are sued to hell and back. You're not only pompous but have no b***s when it comes to listening to an expert and taking his advice. I wonder sometimes how you can carry on.
No, what about the lorry driver being sued? There's no such thing as a dangerous road; only dangerous drivers.
Obviously 28 car drivers voted thumbs down to my last comment because none of them like to face the truth. Does the new road layout give you an excuse to mow down cyclists? Explain how exactly?
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linguist[/bold] wrote: Councillor Michael Filer, Cabinet Member for Transport, Cleansing and Waste, said: “The Richmond Hill roundabout improvements have essentially been completed and the scheme is fully operating. The new design includes new traffic signals while improving cycle safety with new cycle lanes which meet the required width of two metres. Sooooo Cllr Filer knows better than cycling expert Jason Falconer . I really hope that no cyclist is harmed in the near future, but if they are, then cllr Filer, i hope you are sued to hell and back. You're not only pompous but have no b***s when it comes to listening to an expert and taking his advice. I wonder sometimes how you can carry on.[/p][/quote]No, what about the lorry driver being sued? There's no such thing as a dangerous road; only dangerous drivers.[/p][/quote]Obviously 28 car drivers voted thumbs down to my last comment because none of them like to face the truth. Does the new road layout give you an excuse to mow down cyclists? Explain how exactly? tbpoole

9:52am Wed 4 Dec 13

Dorset Logic says...

I cycle and drive a car, So many of the lanes in the area are nod's towards looking good, and not aimed at protecting cyclists.

Cycle from the willet arms down to wimborne, you cross junctions and house drives, you have to look left, right and behind you as you cycle. Yet cycle on the correct side of the road (a wide road) and you don't get the same issues.

Cycle along the side of the dual carriageway from the end of Canford heath to the bottom of alderney / wallisdown on the 2 foot wide track which borders immediately beside the road with cars - legally hitting 50, inches away and try to feel safe.

Unfortunately the drivers for these lanes are not safety of the cyclist or improved traffic flow, IMHO.
I cycle and drive a car, So many of the lanes in the area are nod's towards looking good, and not aimed at protecting cyclists. Cycle from the willet arms down to wimborne, you cross junctions and house drives, you have to look left, right and behind you as you cycle. Yet cycle on the correct side of the road (a wide road) and you don't get the same issues. Cycle along the side of the dual carriageway from the end of Canford heath to the bottom of alderney / wallisdown on the 2 foot wide track which borders immediately beside the road with cars - legally hitting 50, inches away and try to feel safe. Unfortunately the drivers for these lanes are not safety of the cyclist or improved traffic flow, IMHO. Dorset Logic

12:28pm Wed 4 Dec 13

suzigirl says...

Dorset Logic wrote:
I cycle and drive a car, So many of the lanes in the area are nod's towards looking good, and not aimed at protecting cyclists. Cycle from the willet arms down to wimborne, you cross junctions and house drives, you have to look left, right and behind you as you cycle. Yet cycle on the correct side of the road (a wide road) and you don't get the same issues. Cycle along the side of the dual carriageway from the end of Canford heath to the bottom of alderney / wallisdown on the 2 foot wide track which borders immediately beside the road with cars - legally hitting 50, inches away and try to feel safe. Unfortunately the drivers for these lanes are not safety of the cyclist or improved traffic flow, IMHO.
How do you think pedestrians feel when they have to constantly be on the look out for rogue cyclists on the pavements! I seen a cyclist going through the red traffic lights on the Ashley Road crossroads AT SPEED last night - what a plonker!
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote: I cycle and drive a car, So many of the lanes in the area are nod's towards looking good, and not aimed at protecting cyclists. Cycle from the willet arms down to wimborne, you cross junctions and house drives, you have to look left, right and behind you as you cycle. Yet cycle on the correct side of the road (a wide road) and you don't get the same issues. Cycle along the side of the dual carriageway from the end of Canford heath to the bottom of alderney / wallisdown on the 2 foot wide track which borders immediately beside the road with cars - legally hitting 50, inches away and try to feel safe. Unfortunately the drivers for these lanes are not safety of the cyclist or improved traffic flow, IMHO.[/p][/quote]How do you think pedestrians feel when they have to constantly be on the look out for rogue cyclists on the pavements! I seen a cyclist going through the red traffic lights on the Ashley Road crossroads AT SPEED last night - what a plonker! suzigirl

11:33pm Wed 4 Dec 13

nodder1 says...

O'Reilly wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
Good picture of the diligent cyclist patiently waiting for the green light. Wonder if he looked over his right shoulder at the cars revving up on the 'starting grid' before he pushing off? If he did I bet had to stop before the top of Richmond Hill to change his pants!
You want to try going round Hyde Park Corner -in the rush hour - on a bicycle.......I have when I was younger, still wake up in cold sweats thinking of my foolishness.........

...............
Oreilly, yes thats the sign of the dedicated. Fortunately now only troglodytes are still unaware of the massive need this country faces for ACTIVE TRAVEL
[quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: Good picture of the diligent cyclist patiently waiting for the green light. Wonder if he looked over his right shoulder at the cars revving up on the 'starting grid' before he pushing off? If he did I bet had to stop before the top of Richmond Hill to change his pants![/p][/quote]You want to try going round Hyde Park Corner -in the rush hour - on a bicycle.......I have when I was younger, still wake up in cold sweats thinking of my foolishness......... ...............[/p][/quote]Oreilly, yes thats the sign of the dedicated. Fortunately now only troglodytes are still unaware of the massive need this country faces for ACTIVE TRAVEL nodder1

9:29am Thu 5 Dec 13

Roundabout Willie says...

Finally a name for the "individual" responsible for this fiasco. I live by this roundabout and there are just 2 problems, neither of which has been addressed. These are the northbound slip back on to Wessex Way, always dangerous and pedestrians walking round the roundabout instead of using the subway. The council have now turned the whole thing into a dangerous bottleneck especially for cyclists.
Considering the state of many roads in the area what a complete waste of our money.
I really hope that the first person to be injured or even killed following this idiotic scheme sues this idiot. Better still prosecute him for wasting public funds.
Finally a name for the "individual" responsible for this fiasco. I live by this roundabout and there are just 2 problems, neither of which has been addressed. These are the northbound slip back on to Wessex Way, always dangerous and pedestrians walking round the roundabout instead of using the subway. The council have now turned the whole thing into a dangerous bottleneck especially for cyclists. Considering the state of many roads in the area what a complete waste of our money. I really hope that the first person to be injured or even killed following this idiotic scheme sues this idiot. Better still prosecute him for wasting public funds. Roundabout Willie

2:53pm Thu 26 Dec 13

ollieblackspec23 says...

This is me in this picture on my specilized hardrock pro I have to agree the new bike lane is very dangerous because I have to cross lanes to either go down richmond hill or go down to horseshoe common !!
This is me in this picture on my specilized hardrock pro I have to agree the new bike lane is very dangerous because I have to cross lanes to either go down richmond hill or go down to horseshoe common !! ollieblackspec23

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