Row over outdoor eating plans in Wimborne Square

Bournemouth Echo: Costa Wimborne franchisee Mark Brown and assistant manager Sophie Dayus with their petition Costa Wimborne franchisee Mark Brown and assistant manager Sophie Dayus with their petition

AN ANGRY business owner is battling plans for Wimborne Square that would leave him “at a complete disadvantage”.

Mark Brown, who owns the franchise of Costa Coffee in the town, has spoken out after proposals to split the area into three were submitted to the district council.

The resources committee has now decided to throw the plans open to a public consultation in January, and will defer their decision.

As part of the proposals, only those businesses bordering the divides – Lloyds TSB, Wimborne Interiors and Ockenden and Hemming jewellers – will be allowed to set up outdoor cafe facilities, even though none serve refreshments.

Mr Brown, who has started a petition in the Wimborne branch, said: “The general idea is that only those places will be able to have an al fresco cafe in the square.

“It seems absolutely ridiculous to me that no one else will be able to even bid for a spot in the area.”

At a previous meeting, a consultation featuring responses from organisations including the town council, Wimborne Business Improvement District and the Chamber of Trade and Commerce revealed many were not in favour of tables and chairs in the square for one business.

However, further analysis of the comments made by responders showed that some of the ‘no’ responses may have been ‘yes’ if more than one business was allowed to operate from the designated area.

The Wimborne Town Centre Liaison Group, made up of representatives from many organisations in the town, has now changed its position and supports the provision of outdoor café facilities on the basis that the facilities are only provided by properties fronting on to the Square.

Mr Brown said: “We were initially approached by the district council asking if it was something we’d be interested in.

“We are very much interested as we really feel that it would enhance what we offer.

“It’s very disappointing to see this proposal has now been put forward.”

He added: “Although Costa Coffee is a national chain, we are a local coffee shop invested in the community.

“We have sunk everything into making this work, and it’s very upsetting for all of us.”

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5:36am Mon 2 Dec 13

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change.
Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change. Letcommonsenseprevail

6:52am Mon 2 Dec 13

Talkingheadera says...

Why would anyone take on a costa franchise instead of setting up their own cafe.
I personally try to avoid the chains in favour of independant.
Why would anyone take on a costa franchise instead of setting up their own cafe. I personally try to avoid the chains in favour of independant. Talkingheadera

7:12am Mon 2 Dec 13

Huey says...

Trouble is these outside tables fill up with smokers nursing a coffee and puffing away. Doesn't look or smell very good.
Trouble is these outside tables fill up with smokers nursing a coffee and puffing away. Doesn't look or smell very good. Huey

7:22am Mon 2 Dec 13

arthur1948 says...

Maybe if it were less noisy in Costa it might help....the banging of the coffee making process and music played too high causing people to shout above it doesn't help....
Maybe if it were less noisy in Costa it might help....the banging of the coffee making process and music played too high causing people to shout above it doesn't help.... arthur1948

8:34am Mon 2 Dec 13

boby says...

Come on this is a side story , to the fact that the interior shop
Facing out onto the square is going to be taken over by another present restaurant / coffee serving shop . I do therefore agree that find it remarkable and strange that the council has made this new announcement ???. A bit of a pigs ear . I mean does an interior shop serve coffee , somebody must be in the know . It's just a cover up now .
Therefore I do tend to see the complaint as justified . I
Come on this is a side story , to the fact that the interior shop Facing out onto the square is going to be taken over by another present restaurant / coffee serving shop . I do therefore agree that find it remarkable and strange that the council has made this new announcement ???. A bit of a pigs ear . I mean does an interior shop serve coffee , somebody must be in the know . It's just a cover up now . Therefore I do tend to see the complaint as justified . I boby

8:37am Mon 2 Dec 13

Rustynails says...

I also give Costa & the other fancy name Outlets a big miss, there are several excellent Cafes here in Wimborne serving excellent coffee at half the price.. Support your local Café.. not big Money grabbing, Non Tax paying conglomerates.....
I also give Costa & the other fancy name Outlets a big miss, there are several excellent Cafes here in Wimborne serving excellent coffee at half the price.. Support your local Café.. not big Money grabbing, Non Tax paying conglomerates..... Rustynails

8:42am Mon 2 Dec 13

boby says...

So lloyds tsb is a cafe , I think your missing the point some how .
So lloyds tsb is a cafe , I think your missing the point some how . boby

9:07am Mon 2 Dec 13

ds corfemullen says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change.
Costa is this one of those American companys that try to avoid paying taxes in our country????
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change.[/p][/quote]Costa is this one of those American companys that try to avoid paying taxes in our country???? ds corfemullen

9:08am Mon 2 Dec 13

ds corfemullen says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change.
Costa is this one of those American companys that avoid paying tax in this country????
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change.[/p][/quote]Costa is this one of those American companys that avoid paying tax in this country???? ds corfemullen

9:48am Mon 2 Dec 13

woby_tide says...

ds corfemullen wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change.
Costa is this one of those American companys that avoid paying tax in this country????
Doesn't take long to google something, maybe try in future.

"Costa Coffee is a British multinational coffeehouse company headquartered in Dunstable, United Kingdom, and a wholly owned subsidiary of Whitbread PLC. It is the second largest coffeehouse chain in the world behind Starbucks and the largest in the United Kingdom.

Costa Coffee was founded in London in 1971"
[quote][p][bold]ds corfemullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change.[/p][/quote]Costa is this one of those American companys that avoid paying tax in this country????[/p][/quote]Doesn't take long to google something, maybe try in future. "Costa Coffee is a British multinational coffeehouse company headquartered in Dunstable, United Kingdom, and a wholly owned subsidiary of Whitbread PLC. It is the second largest coffeehouse chain in the world behind Starbucks and the largest in the United Kingdom.[2] Costa Coffee was founded in London in 1971" woby_tide

10:29am Mon 2 Dec 13

boby says...

I think it's a matter of fairness for all the businesses . As that will help competition not for the unfair advantage of one business owners?? . Lets watch what happens in regards to the interior shop ??? . Seems the council are not letting on the real factors ??? . Somebody knows more than they portray
I think it's a matter of fairness for all the businesses . As that will help competition not for the unfair advantage of one business owners?? . Lets watch what happens in regards to the interior shop ??? . Seems the council are not letting on the real factors ??? . Somebody knows more than they portray boby

10:52am Mon 2 Dec 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

I would like to see a café kiosk built on the expanse of paving with some covered and open seating. Half of the building could be the Tourist Information Centre as well. Council build it and run it , profits to the town to fund entertainment etc and to keep it fair and out of the hands of the local restaurant barons. Also some trees planted to give some shade and a Whippy ice cream machine.
I would like to see a café kiosk built on the expanse of paving with some covered and open seating. Half of the building could be the Tourist Information Centre as well. Council build it and run it , profits to the town to fund entertainment etc and to keep it fair and out of the hands of the local restaurant barons. Also some trees planted to give some shade and a Whippy ice cream machine. Telscombe Cliffy

11:30am Mon 2 Dec 13

kinderlingers says...

I can't believe that the Town Planners have managed to ruin the Town Centre, without anyone complaining. Parking has been reduced to about 12 cars, congestion has been brought about in West Borough due to the taxi rank being moved. The bus stop outside of NWB causes constriction of traffic along what should be a two lane through route. And the only entry to the Town Centre is now via a poorly-signed East Borough. Most vehicles having access only by crossing against oncoming traffic!
Shame on you for ruining a once beautiful Town Centre!
I can't believe that the Town Planners have managed to ruin the Town Centre, without anyone complaining. Parking has been reduced to about 12 cars, congestion has been brought about in West Borough due to the taxi rank being moved. The bus stop outside of NWB causes constriction of traffic along what should be a two lane through route. And the only entry to the Town Centre is now via a poorly-signed East Borough. Most vehicles having access only by crossing against oncoming traffic! Shame on you for ruining a once beautiful Town Centre! kinderlingers

11:53am Mon 2 Dec 13

BmthNewshound says...

Lots of confused and mixed messages coming from the Council and various different groups, all with their own agendas.
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Also a lot of confused comments. The Costa Coffee in Wimborne is owned by a local independent company. Costa supply lots of independent coffee shops who may have a different sign above the door but still serve coffee supplied by Costa.
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I often travel from Westbourne to Wimborne and pop into Costa for coffee. The staff are always welcoming and professional, the quality of coffee and food is consistent and judging by the fact that it is always busy it has many supporters.
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Rather than putting obstacles in the way of local high street businesses local Councils should be supporting them. What is worth noting is that whilst the local Council and business groups are bickering over a few tables independent retailers are closing down in Wimborne and being replaced by yet more charity shops which isn't good for the town.
Lots of confused and mixed messages coming from the Council and various different groups, all with their own agendas. . Also a lot of confused comments. The Costa Coffee in Wimborne is owned by a local independent company. Costa supply lots of independent coffee shops who may have a different sign above the door but still serve coffee supplied by Costa. . I often travel from Westbourne to Wimborne and pop into Costa for coffee. The staff are always welcoming and professional, the quality of coffee and food is consistent and judging by the fact that it is always busy it has many supporters. . Rather than putting obstacles in the way of local high street businesses local Councils should be supporting them. What is worth noting is that whilst the local Council and business groups are bickering over a few tables independent retailers are closing down in Wimborne and being replaced by yet more charity shops which isn't good for the town. BmthNewshound

12:59pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Bournemouthfan2 says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Lots of confused and mixed messages coming from the Council and various different groups, all with their own agendas.
.
Also a lot of confused comments. The Costa Coffee in Wimborne is owned by a local independent company. Costa supply lots of independent coffee shops who may have a different sign above the door but still serve coffee supplied by Costa.
.
I often travel from Westbourne to Wimborne and pop into Costa for coffee. The staff are always welcoming and professional, the quality of coffee and food is consistent and judging by the fact that it is always busy it has many supporters.
.
Rather than putting obstacles in the way of local high street businesses local Councils should be supporting them. What is worth noting is that whilst the local Council and business groups are bickering over a few tables independent retailers are closing down in Wimborne and being replaced by yet more charity shops which isn't good for the town.
I agree with Bmthnewshound. It may surprise a lot of people under the impression that all large chains are owned by conglomerates to discover that a lot of these chains are in fact franchises which have been set up by local business people. These people will be paying their VAT/taxes in the same way as any other business, they cannot afford to employ highly paid accounts to help them join tax avoidance schemes as per the likes of Amazon.
To name a few that operate franchises: Macdonalds, Starbucks (recently opened up to franchising) KFC, Dominos, Pappa Johns, Costa. Those are just the ones I can think of, I am sure there are a fair few more.
People are asking why would you take on a franchise rather than opening up a local cafe/restaurant? Just take a look at how many of these are going out of business, unable to survive because so many people would rather go to a known brand, that they know will run to a good standard with a decent product.
Good luck to Mark Brown, he would have put a lot of time, money and effort into building and running his franchise and deserves to be as successful as any other independent/chain.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Lots of confused and mixed messages coming from the Council and various different groups, all with their own agendas. . Also a lot of confused comments. The Costa Coffee in Wimborne is owned by a local independent company. Costa supply lots of independent coffee shops who may have a different sign above the door but still serve coffee supplied by Costa. . I often travel from Westbourne to Wimborne and pop into Costa for coffee. The staff are always welcoming and professional, the quality of coffee and food is consistent and judging by the fact that it is always busy it has many supporters. . Rather than putting obstacles in the way of local high street businesses local Councils should be supporting them. What is worth noting is that whilst the local Council and business groups are bickering over a few tables independent retailers are closing down in Wimborne and being replaced by yet more charity shops which isn't good for the town.[/p][/quote]I agree with Bmthnewshound. It may surprise a lot of people under the impression that all large chains are owned by conglomerates to discover that a lot of these chains are in fact franchises which have been set up by local business people. These people will be paying their VAT/taxes in the same way as any other business, they cannot afford to employ highly paid accounts to help them join tax avoidance schemes as per the likes of Amazon. To name a few that operate franchises: Macdonalds, Starbucks (recently opened up to franchising) KFC, Dominos, Pappa Johns, Costa. Those are just the ones I can think of, I am sure there are a fair few more. People are asking why would you take on a franchise rather than opening up a local cafe/restaurant? Just take a look at how many of these are going out of business, unable to survive because so many people would rather go to a known brand, that they know will run to a good standard with a decent product. Good luck to Mark Brown, he would have put a lot of time, money and effort into building and running his franchise and deserves to be as successful as any other independent/chain. Bournemouthfan2

1:28pm Mon 2 Dec 13

RSI says...

Why is Costa not being given the opportunity to use this area? They have the facilities already in place.
No matter what people say Costa is very popular and is always busy.
It seems that some people / businesses are doing their best to keep Costa from expanding.
Why is Costa not being given the opportunity to use this area? They have the facilities already in place. No matter what people say Costa is very popular and is always busy. It seems that some people / businesses are doing their best to keep Costa from expanding. RSI

1:31pm Mon 2 Dec 13

hadvar says...

Not been to Wimborne for ages. Did they replace the Plane tree?
Not been to Wimborne for ages. Did they replace the Plane tree? hadvar

1:33pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Huey wrote:
Trouble is these outside tables fill up with smokers nursing a coffee and puffing away. Doesn't look or smell very good.
Good point - the shop in Poole is a good example, not a nice sight at all....
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Trouble is these outside tables fill up with smokers nursing a coffee and puffing away. Doesn't look or smell very good.[/p][/quote]Good point - the shop in Poole is a good example, not a nice sight at all.... Letcommonsenseprevail

1:36pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
Lots of confused and mixed messages coming from the Council and various different groups, all with their own agendas.
.
Also a lot of confused comments. The Costa Coffee in Wimborne is owned by a local independent company. Costa supply lots of independent coffee shops who may have a different sign above the door but still serve coffee supplied by Costa.
.
I often travel from Westbourne to Wimborne and pop into Costa for coffee. The staff are always welcoming and professional, the quality of coffee and food is consistent and judging by the fact that it is always busy it has many supporters.
.
Rather than putting obstacles in the way of local high street businesses local Councils should be supporting them. What is worth noting is that whilst the local Council and business groups are bickering over a few tables independent retailers are closing down in Wimborne and being replaced by yet more charity shops which isn't good for the town.
I agree with Bmthnewshound. It may surprise a lot of people under the impression that all large chains are owned by conglomerates to discover that a lot of these chains are in fact franchises which have been set up by local business people. These people will be paying their VAT/taxes in the same way as any other business, they cannot afford to employ highly paid accounts to help them join tax avoidance schemes as per the likes of Amazon.
To name a few that operate franchises: Macdonalds, Starbucks (recently opened up to franchising) KFC, Dominos, Pappa Johns, Costa. Those are just the ones I can think of, I am sure there are a fair few more.
People are asking why would you take on a franchise rather than opening up a local cafe/restaurant? Just take a look at how many of these are going out of business, unable to survive because so many people would rather go to a known brand, that they know will run to a good standard with a decent product.
Good luck to Mark Brown, he would have put a lot of time, money and effort into building and running his franchise and deserves to be as successful as any other independent/chain.
Of course, you're forgetting the power of the brand name. The franchise owners may well be local people, but they are directly benefiting from the system and they can't have it both ways............
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Lots of confused and mixed messages coming from the Council and various different groups, all with their own agendas. . Also a lot of confused comments. The Costa Coffee in Wimborne is owned by a local independent company. Costa supply lots of independent coffee shops who may have a different sign above the door but still serve coffee supplied by Costa. . I often travel from Westbourne to Wimborne and pop into Costa for coffee. The staff are always welcoming and professional, the quality of coffee and food is consistent and judging by the fact that it is always busy it has many supporters. . Rather than putting obstacles in the way of local high street businesses local Councils should be supporting them. What is worth noting is that whilst the local Council and business groups are bickering over a few tables independent retailers are closing down in Wimborne and being replaced by yet more charity shops which isn't good for the town.[/p][/quote]I agree with Bmthnewshound. It may surprise a lot of people under the impression that all large chains are owned by conglomerates to discover that a lot of these chains are in fact franchises which have been set up by local business people. These people will be paying their VAT/taxes in the same way as any other business, they cannot afford to employ highly paid accounts to help them join tax avoidance schemes as per the likes of Amazon. To name a few that operate franchises: Macdonalds, Starbucks (recently opened up to franchising) KFC, Dominos, Pappa Johns, Costa. Those are just the ones I can think of, I am sure there are a fair few more. People are asking why would you take on a franchise rather than opening up a local cafe/restaurant? Just take a look at how many of these are going out of business, unable to survive because so many people would rather go to a known brand, that they know will run to a good standard with a decent product. Good luck to Mark Brown, he would have put a lot of time, money and effort into building and running his franchise and deserves to be as successful as any other independent/chain.[/p][/quote]Of course, you're forgetting the power of the brand name. The franchise owners may well be local people, but they are directly benefiting from the system and they can't have it both ways............ Letcommonsenseprevail

3:14pm Mon 2 Dec 13

apm1954 says...

dont like coffee.
dont like coffee. apm1954

4:44pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Derf says...

So the way this reads is that the owner is moaning about not being allowed to do something he doesn't currently do anyway.


As for being 'a local coffee shop invested in the community' does he buy his coffee from Spicers (or any other local coffee supplier), his pastries etc. from a local bakery and his cups and saucers from a local potter, or does it all get delivered every week on a Whitbread lorry from some central distribution warehouse somewhere?
So the way this reads is that the owner is moaning about not being allowed to do something he doesn't currently do anyway. As for being 'a local coffee shop invested in the community' does he buy his coffee from Spicers (or any other local coffee supplier), his pastries etc. from a local bakery and his cups and saucers from a local potter, or does it all get delivered every week on a Whitbread lorry from some central distribution warehouse somewhere? Derf

7:21pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Abc1970 says...

woby_tide wrote:
ds corfemullen wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai


l
wrote:
Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change.
Costa is this one of those American companys that avoid paying tax in this country????
Doesn't take long to google something, maybe try in future.

"Costa Coffee is a British multinational coffeehouse company headquartered in Dunstable, United Kingdom, and a wholly owned subsidiary of Whitbread PLC. It is the second largest coffeehouse chain in the world behind Starbucks and the largest in the United Kingdom.

Costa Coffee was founded in London in 1971"
Well said, I wish people would get facts before spurting rubbish! Secondly, these coffee shops are franchised, yes they pay to display and use the costa brand, but they are managed and run by LOCAL people, provide jobs for LOCAL people, pay business rates to LOCAL councils and like it or not are a part of our community. How ridiculous is it not to allow costa to use the square, would you really rather have a TSB coffee shop? This would be £5.50 for a coffee then a further £10 for not drinking up quick enough, automatic service charge of another £10, tax on your coffee, another £3, service charge to wash the mug, further £5 and interest on every delayed minute of non payment
[quote][p][bold]woby_tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ds corfemullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Oh, the irony! Costa and Starbucks have put many a locally owned cafe out of business all over the country. Glad to see the boot on the other foot, for a change.[/p][/quote]Costa is this one of those American companys that avoid paying tax in this country????[/p][/quote]Doesn't take long to google something, maybe try in future. "Costa Coffee is a British multinational coffeehouse company headquartered in Dunstable, United Kingdom, and a wholly owned subsidiary of Whitbread PLC. It is the second largest coffeehouse chain in the world behind Starbucks and the largest in the United Kingdom.[2] Costa Coffee was founded in London in 1971"[/p][/quote]Well said, I wish people would get facts before spurting rubbish! Secondly, these coffee shops are franchised, yes they pay to display and use the costa brand, but they are managed and run by LOCAL people, provide jobs for LOCAL people, pay business rates to LOCAL councils and like it or not are a part of our community. How ridiculous is it not to allow costa to use the square, would you really rather have a TSB coffee shop? This would be £5.50 for a coffee then a further £10 for not drinking up quick enough, automatic service charge of another £10, tax on your coffee, another £3, service charge to wash the mug, further £5 and interest on every delayed minute of non payment Abc1970

7:27pm Mon 2 Dec 13

lionheart says...

Derf wrote:
So the way this reads is that the owner is moaning about not being allowed to do something he doesn't currently do anyway.


As for being 'a local coffee shop invested in the community' does he buy his coffee from Spicers (or any other local coffee supplier), his pastries etc. from a local bakery and his cups and saucers from a local potter, or does it all get delivered every week on a Whitbread lorry from some central distribution warehouse somewhere?
At least there's no German market set up yet!

Getting his supplies locally is not the point. You could say that about a host of Wimborne businesses.

The point is he pays local rates and employs local people. Why not have someone with the knowledge to make a decent fist of something in their line of trade on the doorstep.

The Council is thinking too parochial.
[quote][p][bold]Derf[/bold] wrote: So the way this reads is that the owner is moaning about not being allowed to do something he doesn't currently do anyway. As for being 'a local coffee shop invested in the community' does he buy his coffee from Spicers (or any other local coffee supplier), his pastries etc. from a local bakery and his cups and saucers from a local potter, or does it all get delivered every week on a Whitbread lorry from some central distribution warehouse somewhere?[/p][/quote]At least there's no German market set up yet! Getting his supplies locally is not the point. You could say that about a host of Wimborne businesses. The point is he pays local rates and employs local people. Why not have someone with the knowledge to make a decent fist of something in their line of trade on the doorstep. The Council is thinking too parochial. lionheart

7:47pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Derf says...

Don't multi-national chains pay local rates and employ local people then?
Don't multi-national chains pay local rates and employ local people then? Derf

8:09pm Mon 2 Dec 13

simcal says...

Costa sell the best coffee. If they were not so good at it they would not be so succesful.
Costa sell the best coffee. If they were not so good at it they would not be so succesful. simcal

11:15pm Mon 2 Dec 13

boozie says...

The idea of spending money on the square was for safety reasons!!! So why allow hot drinks to be served outside when someone could easily get scolded, or tripping over tables & chairs, or worse still getting injured with a broken piece of crockery, which could so easily happen outside on paving. Plus who is going to be reasponsible for keeping the area clean & tidy, don't tell me the business rates will rise!!!
The idea of spending money on the square was for safety reasons!!! So why allow hot drinks to be served outside when someone could easily get scolded, or tripping over tables & chairs, or worse still getting injured with a broken piece of crockery, which could so easily happen outside on paving. Plus who is going to be reasponsible for keeping the area clean & tidy, don't tell me the business rates will rise!!! boozie

11:47pm Mon 2 Dec 13

AdelaidePete says...

But where can I get a decent cup of tea rather than a cup of hot water with a tea bag? (O.K. I admit it's just the same here).
But where can I get a decent cup of tea rather than a cup of hot water with a tea bag? (O.K. I admit it's just the same here). AdelaidePete

5:23am Tue 3 Dec 13

Phixer says...

boozie wrote:
The idea of spending money on the square was for safety reasons!!! So why allow hot drinks to be served outside when someone could easily get scolded, or tripping over tables & chairs, or worse still getting injured with a broken piece of crockery, which could so easily happen outside on paving. Plus who is going to be reasponsible for keeping the area clean & tidy, don't tell me the business rates will rise!!!
You haven't travelled far have you? With your attitude to life, none of us would get out of bed for fear of hurting ourselves.

Do you go out wearing a padded suit, helmet, goggles, etc., to avoid any possible injury to yourself?
[quote][p][bold]boozie[/bold] wrote: The idea of spending money on the square was for safety reasons!!! So why allow hot drinks to be served outside when someone could easily get scolded, or tripping over tables & chairs, or worse still getting injured with a broken piece of crockery, which could so easily happen outside on paving. Plus who is going to be reasponsible for keeping the area clean & tidy, don't tell me the business rates will rise!!![/p][/quote]You haven't travelled far have you? With your attitude to life, none of us would get out of bed for fear of hurting ourselves. Do you go out wearing a padded suit, helmet, goggles, etc., to avoid any possible injury to yourself? Phixer

6:09am Tue 3 Dec 13

boozie says...

As I stated that area was put in for safety reasons!!!! So putting table & chairs on that area is hazardous to the eldery.The council called it the pedestrian area of the square, when they submitted their plans, not the al fresco dining area.
As I stated that area was put in for safety reasons!!!! So putting table & chairs on that area is hazardous to the eldery.The council called it the pedestrian area of the square, when they submitted their plans, not the al fresco dining area. boozie

8:23am Tue 3 Dec 13

boby says...

The bottom line is somebody has tipped the wink in regards to the interior shop becoming a coffe shop. somebody is in the know. Lets see if the interior shop becomes a coffee shop. ?????. Then we will all know whats gone on

I think it is wholly justified that the owner of costa would be expressing an opinon. He employs great local staff, the place is busy, actually open. He has an opinon like all the business owners in Wimborne

Whats all this twaddle costa this costa that. Thats not the discussion here.
The bottom line is somebody has tipped the wink in regards to the interior shop becoming a coffe shop. somebody is in the know. Lets see if the interior shop becomes a coffee shop. ?????. Then we will all know whats gone on I think it is wholly justified that the owner of costa would be expressing an opinon. He employs great local staff, the place is busy, actually open. He has an opinon like all the business owners in Wimborne Whats all this twaddle costa this costa that. Thats not the discussion here. boby

1:57pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Dorset Logic says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Huey wrote:
Trouble is these outside tables fill up with smokers nursing a coffee and puffing away. Doesn't look or smell very good.
Good point - the shop in Poole is a good example, not a nice sight at all....
yeah I hate seeing people enjoying themselves. It would look better filled up with a miserable bunch of generation ban, taking 3 hours to drink a small coffee and putting the world to rights.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Trouble is these outside tables fill up with smokers nursing a coffee and puffing away. Doesn't look or smell very good.[/p][/quote]Good point - the shop in Poole is a good example, not a nice sight at all....[/p][/quote]yeah I hate seeing people enjoying themselves. It would look better filled up with a miserable bunch of generation ban, taking 3 hours to drink a small coffee and putting the world to rights. Dorset Logic

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