Non-UK born population in Bournemouth rose 108 per cent in 10 years

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BOURNEMOUTH has seen its non-British born population rise by more than 100 per cent in a decade.

Fifteen per cent of the town’s population – 27,414 people – were born outside the UK.

The figure, drawn from the 2011 census, means the town has the highest percentage of non-UK born residents in the south west.

And 10 per cent of the borough’s residents hold only a non-UK passport.

Figures from the Migration Observatory at Oxford University show the number of non-UK born people in Bournemouth rose 108.5 per cent between 2001 and 2011.

Bournemouth councillor Lawrence Williams, cabinet member for tourism, leisure and culture, said a large proportion of migrants would likely be students.

“Bournemouth is a very cosmopolitan town and has always been a popular destination for foreign students,” he said.

“I believe we have the most language school students of any place outside London.

“It brings diversity to the town, as well as money.”

Cllr Williams said like British people living on the continent, Europeans had equal access to services in this country.

“We have recently established a sister arrangement with Zibo in China,” he added.

“They are hoping people from Bournemouth will go there.

“This mixing of cultures makes Bournemouth the vibrant place it is today.”

Meanwhile, the non-UK born population of Purbeck grew at the lowest rate in England and Wales – up by an estimated eight people, or 0.3 per cent.

Dr Carlos Vargas-Silva, senior researcher leading the census project, said: “Many of the larger towns, like Bournemouth, have seen sizable increases in their migrant populations, both numerically and as a share of the population. But many other parts of the region have seen more modest changes.

“Indeed, Purbeck is the only place in England and Wales where the proportion of migrants in the population actually declined during this period.”

He said the migrant population of the south west grew by more than 155,000 – 62 per cent – in 10 years, but was still one of the smallest in England and Wales.

The report’s findings show: Across the south west, about eight per cent of residents – 404,660 – were born outside the UK. This was up 62 per cent since 2001.

Bristol had the highest number of non-UK born residents, but Bournemouth had the highest population share – 15 per cent.

Between 2001 and 2011, the non-UK born population grew the most in Bristol (up 31,815), but the biggest percentage increase was in Bournemouth – up 108.5 per cent.

Residents born in Poland are the most numerous non-UK born group in the south west, followed by residents of Germany, India, Ireland and the US.

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7:35am Mon 14 Oct 13

Mr G_SCS says...

You can only invite so many people to have a piece of birthday cake!!
You can only invite so many people to have a piece of birthday cake!! Mr G_SCS
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8:10am Mon 14 Oct 13

nickynoodah says...

You can always make a bigger cake you know
You can always make a bigger cake you know nickynoodah
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8:35am Mon 14 Oct 13

Chris@Bmouth says...

Out of control.
Out of control. Chris@Bmouth
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8:42am Mon 14 Oct 13

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous.
Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 60

8:58am Mon 14 Oct 13

afcb-mark says...

I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views. afcb-mark
  • Score: 114

9:06am Mon 14 Oct 13

Baysider says...

This story is going to be manna from heaven for the Echo's comments section usual suspects isn't it...
This story is going to be manna from heaven for the Echo's comments section usual suspects isn't it... Baysider
  • Score: -37

9:06am Mon 14 Oct 13

Baysider says...

This story is going to be manna from heaven for the Echo's comments section usual suspects isn't it...
This story is going to be manna from heaven for the Echo's comments section usual suspects isn't it... Baysider
  • Score: -32

9:06am Mon 14 Oct 13

Baysider says...

This story is going to be manna from heaven for the Echo's comments section usual suspects isn't it...
This story is going to be manna from heaven for the Echo's comments section usual suspects isn't it... Baysider
  • Score: -33

9:22am Mon 14 Oct 13

richardcompton3 says...

And I bet most of them live in Boscombe!
And I bet most of them live in Boscombe! richardcompton3
  • Score: 38

9:33am Mon 14 Oct 13

BmthNewshound says...

I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits.
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I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.
I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits. . I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 59

9:42am Mon 14 Oct 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could? mikey2gorgeous
  • Score: -44

10:00am Mon 14 Oct 13

afcb-mark says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits.
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I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.
Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint!
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits. . I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.[/p][/quote]Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint! afcb-mark
  • Score: 37

10:13am Mon 14 Oct 13

afcb-mark says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?
Do I really need to answer that?

Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned.
Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs.
NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly.
No integration- each sticks to their own.
Housing shortages-do I need to go on?
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?[/p][/quote]Do I really need to answer that? Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned. Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs. NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly. No integration- each sticks to their own. Housing shortages-do I need to go on? afcb-mark
  • Score: 82

10:21am Mon 14 Oct 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

afcb-mark wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?
Do I really need to answer that?

Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned.
Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs.
NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly.
No integration- each sticks to their own.
Housing shortages-do I need to go on?
You made a very specific statement and I just want to understand what you're saying.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?[/p][/quote]Do I really need to answer that? Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned. Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs. NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly. No integration- each sticks to their own. Housing shortages-do I need to go on?[/p][/quote]You made a very specific statement and I just want to understand what you're saying. mikey2gorgeous
  • Score: -36

10:21am Mon 14 Oct 13

High Treason says...

afcb-mark wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?
Do I really need to answer that?

Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned.
Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs.
NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly.
No integration- each sticks to their own.
Housing shortages-do I need to go on?
Even the council bows down to them all, their web page is translated into 5 languages, think of the cost of that. You will find Charminster is the immigrant hub with the student mix.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?[/p][/quote]Do I really need to answer that? Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned. Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs. NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly. No integration- each sticks to their own. Housing shortages-do I need to go on?[/p][/quote]Even the council bows down to them all, their web page is translated into 5 languages, think of the cost of that. You will find Charminster is the immigrant hub with the student mix. High Treason
  • Score: 27

10:36am Mon 14 Oct 13

BH1 loyal says...

Victor_Meldrew_Lives
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wrote:
Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous.
Go to Bradford have you never left Bournemouth ?
[quote][p][bold]Victor_Meldrew_Lives ![/bold] wrote: Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous.[/p][/quote]Go to Bradford have you never left Bournemouth ? BH1 loyal
  • Score: 9

10:47am Mon 14 Oct 13

MrPitiful says...

On a side-note - I've never seen Bournemouth town centre from the angle as in the above pic. An interesting perspective of the town. Makes it seem quite small.
On a side-note - I've never seen Bournemouth town centre from the angle as in the above pic. An interesting perspective of the town. Makes it seem quite small. MrPitiful
  • Score: 15

10:49am Mon 14 Oct 13

Loyal2AFCB says...

What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.
What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas. Loyal2AFCB
  • Score: -17

10:52am Mon 14 Oct 13

ben111 says...

Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair.....
Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair..... ben111
  • Score: 28

10:56am Mon 14 Oct 13

Sheldon Cooper says...

Loyal2AFCB wrote:
What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.
British born and bred people moving around Britain????

That is outrageous. Why would anyone want to leave the place where they were born? Why?

I will immediately write to my MP demanding they be sent back to their home towns and leave us to inbreed quite happily thank you very much.

And if I hear one more person bleating on about how national companies have set up here and need certain types of qualified worker that specialise in their business and may not be one available in a 2 mile radius so have to recruit from elsewhere in the UK I will probably be sick with indignation.

Bournemouth for Bournemouth people and everyone else can bugger off. And yes Poole that means you. And you Ringwood.
[quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.[/p][/quote]British born and bred people moving around Britain???? That is outrageous. Why would anyone want to leave the place where they were born? Why? I will immediately write to my MP demanding they be sent back to their home towns and leave us to inbreed quite happily thank you very much. And if I hear one more person bleating on about how national companies have set up here and need certain types of qualified worker that specialise in their business and may not be one available in a 2 mile radius so have to recruit from elsewhere in the UK I will probably be sick with indignation. Bournemouth for Bournemouth people and everyone else can bugger off. And yes Poole that means you. And you Ringwood. Sheldon Cooper
  • Score: 27

11:02am Mon 14 Oct 13

ben111 says...

to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.
to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree. ben111
  • Score: -32

11:09am Mon 14 Oct 13

Sheldon Cooper says...

ben111 wrote:
Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair.....
So what you are saying makes you a genius and if anyone disagrees they are a moron?

Well thank goodness we have you to tell us what the right way to think is.

Thanks Ben.

And if you have a monthly newsletter please let us know as I for one would be very interested in signing up for it.
[quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair.....[/p][/quote]So what you are saying makes you a genius and if anyone disagrees they are a moron? Well thank goodness we have you to tell us what the right way to think is. Thanks Ben. And if you have a monthly newsletter please let us know as I for one would be very interested in signing up for it. Sheldon Cooper
  • Score: -15

11:35am Mon 14 Oct 13

Sheldon Cooper says...

On and I forgot sheep 'bleat' they do not 'bleet'.

Just so you know.
On and I forgot sheep 'bleat' they do not 'bleet'. Just so you know. Sheldon Cooper
  • Score: -4

11:39am Mon 14 Oct 13

Bob Bournemouth says...

afcb-mark wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?
Do I really need to answer that?

Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned.
Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs.
NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly.
No integration- each sticks to their own.
Housing shortages-do I need to go on?
No-one minds immigrants if they are prepared to work and not live off benefits. However, resources are overstretched in lots of areas - you only have to look at the lack of school places for next year's intake.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?[/p][/quote]Do I really need to answer that? Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned. Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs. NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly. No integration- each sticks to their own. Housing shortages-do I need to go on?[/p][/quote]No-one minds immigrants if they are prepared to work and not live off benefits. However, resources are overstretched in lots of areas - you only have to look at the lack of school places for next year's intake. Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: 9

11:50am Mon 14 Oct 13

muscliffman says...

I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it? muscliffman
  • Score: 37

11:57am Mon 14 Oct 13

BmthNewshound says...

afcb-mark wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits.
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I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.
Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint!
I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits.
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My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand.
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Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits. . I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.[/p][/quote]Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint![/p][/quote]I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits. . My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand. . Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 19

11:59am Mon 14 Oct 13

Rally says...

muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Well put, muscliffman.
You do realise that what you say and I agree with here will get both of us branded as racist bigots. :)
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Well put, muscliffman. You do realise that what you say and I agree with here will get both of us branded as racist bigots. :) Rally
  • Score: 20

12:03pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Sheldon Cooper says...

The Liberal wrote:
Sheldon Cooper wrote:
ben111 wrote: to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.
Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair..... morons with "limited education"? Lets = Let's spungers = spoungers them selves = themselves im = I’m its = it’s that believes = who believes that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub "Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub " So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"??? Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?
What's a spounger?
It’s like a sponger but said with a Dorset accent.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.[/p][/quote]Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair..... morons with "limited education"? Lets = Let's spungers = spoungers them selves = themselves im = I’m its = it’s that believes = who believes that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub "Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub " So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"??? Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?[/p][/quote]What's a spounger?[/p][/quote]It’s like a sponger but said with a Dorset accent. Sheldon Cooper
  • Score: 4

12:04pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Loyal2AFCB says...

Sheldon Cooper wrote:
Loyal2AFCB wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.
British born and bred people moving around Britain???? That is outrageous. Why would anyone want to leave the place where they were born? Why? I will immediately write to my MP demanding they be sent back to their home towns and leave us to inbreed quite happily thank you very much. And if I hear one more person bleating on about how national companies have set up here and need certain types of qualified worker that specialise in their business and may not be one available in a 2 mile radius so have to recruit from elsewhere in the UK I will probably be sick with indignation. Bournemouth for Bournemouth people and everyone else can bugger off. And yes Poole that means you. And you Ringwood.
So migrants from the prosperous southeast have not pushed house prices beyond the reach of many people that were born in the area? Migration has not led to almost a vast amount of what was previously open space being concreted over?.Migration from certain cities in the north of England has not brought drugs and the associated crime in its wake? I don't know how long you have lived here but let me tell you something , this area is unrecognisable from how it was 30 years ago and it has undoubtedly changed for the worst.
[quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.[/p][/quote]British born and bred people moving around Britain???? That is outrageous. Why would anyone want to leave the place where they were born? Why? I will immediately write to my MP demanding they be sent back to their home towns and leave us to inbreed quite happily thank you very much. And if I hear one more person bleating on about how national companies have set up here and need certain types of qualified worker that specialise in their business and may not be one available in a 2 mile radius so have to recruit from elsewhere in the UK I will probably be sick with indignation. Bournemouth for Bournemouth people and everyone else can bugger off. And yes Poole that means you. And you Ringwood.[/p][/quote]So migrants from the prosperous southeast have not pushed house prices beyond the reach of many people that were born in the area? Migration has not led to almost a vast amount of what was previously open space being concreted over?.Migration from certain cities in the north of England has not brought drugs and the associated crime in its wake? I don't know how long you have lived here but let me tell you something , this area is unrecognisable from how it was 30 years ago and it has undoubtedly changed for the worst. Loyal2AFCB
  • Score: 22

12:09pm Mon 14 Oct 13

BackOfTheNet says...

What percentage of employees at the NHS were born overseas? Even the Daily Fail admits it's substantially more than in the general populous.

We now have a minimum wage, so anyone that does work is guaranteed a wage, unlike when the Lord of the manor made you work in exchange for whatever he decided you deserved.

Figures in this area will always be skewed by the number of local kids that leave school but can't find the sort of work that could buy a property here. Their only option is to leave the area or stay living with their parents.
What percentage of employees at the NHS were born overseas? Even the Daily Fail admits it's substantially more than in the general populous. We now have a minimum wage, so anyone that does work is guaranteed a wage, unlike when the Lord of the manor made you work in exchange for whatever he decided you deserved. Figures in this area will always be skewed by the number of local kids that leave school but can't find the sort of work that could buy a property here. Their only option is to leave the area or stay living with their parents. BackOfTheNet
  • Score: 16

12:11pm Mon 14 Oct 13

ben111 says...

Sheldon Cooper wrote:
ben111 wrote:
to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.
Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair.....

morons with "limited education"?

Lets = Let's

spungers = spoungers

them selves = themselves

im = I’m

its = it’s

that believes = who believes

that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub


"Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub "

So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"???

Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?
Being dyslexic, I welcome the critic
[quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.[/p][/quote]Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair..... morons with "limited education"? Lets = Let's spungers = spoungers them selves = themselves im = I’m its = it’s that believes = who believes that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub "Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub " So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"??? Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?[/p][/quote]Being dyslexic, I welcome the critic ben111
  • Score: 7

12:14pm Mon 14 Oct 13

The Liberal says...

BackOfTheNet wrote:
What percentage of employees at the NHS were born overseas? Even the Daily Fail admits it's substantially more than in the general populous.

We now have a minimum wage, so anyone that does work is guaranteed a wage, unlike when the Lord of the manor made you work in exchange for whatever he decided you deserved.

Figures in this area will always be skewed by the number of local kids that leave school but can't find the sort of work that could buy a property here. Their only option is to leave the area or stay living with their parents.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when certain people on here need medical treatment and are met by a doctor born overseas. ;)
[quote][p][bold]BackOfTheNet[/bold] wrote: What percentage of employees at the NHS were born overseas? Even the Daily Fail admits it's substantially more than in the general populous. We now have a minimum wage, so anyone that does work is guaranteed a wage, unlike when the Lord of the manor made you work in exchange for whatever he decided you deserved. Figures in this area will always be skewed by the number of local kids that leave school but can't find the sort of work that could buy a property here. Their only option is to leave the area or stay living with their parents.[/p][/quote]I'd love to be a fly on the wall when certain people on here need medical treatment and are met by a doctor born overseas. ;) The Liberal
  • Score: 22

12:14pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Mr Mo says...

ben111 wrote:
Sheldon Cooper wrote:
ben111 wrote:
to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.
Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair.....

morons with "limited education"?

Lets = Let's

spungers = spoungers

them selves = themselves

im = I’m

its = it’s

that believes = who believes

that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub


"Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub "

So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"???

Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?
Being dyslexic, I welcome the critic
"Critique"
[quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.[/p][/quote]Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair..... morons with "limited education"? Lets = Let's spungers = spoungers them selves = themselves im = I’m its = it’s that believes = who believes that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub "Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub " So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"??? Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?[/p][/quote]Being dyslexic, I welcome the critic[/p][/quote]"Critique" Mr Mo
  • Score: 4

12:15pm Mon 14 Oct 13

ben111 says...

Mr Mo wrote:
ben111 wrote:
Sheldon Cooper wrote:
ben111 wrote:
to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.
Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair.....

morons with "limited education"?

Lets = Let's

spungers = spoungers

them selves = themselves

im = I’m

its = it’s

that believes = who believes

that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub


"Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub "

So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"???

Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?
Being dyslexic, I welcome the critic
"Critique"
thanks
[quote][p][bold]Mr Mo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.[/p][/quote]Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair..... morons with "limited education"? Lets = Let's spungers = spoungers them selves = themselves im = I’m its = it’s that believes = who believes that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub "Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub " So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"??? Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?[/p][/quote]Being dyslexic, I welcome the critic[/p][/quote]"Critique"[/p][/quote]thanks ben111
  • Score: 11

12:32pm Mon 14 Oct 13

selectortone says...

We need as many immigrants as we can get. They work, they pay tax - how else can we afford all the home-grown dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day?
We need as many immigrants as we can get. They work, they pay tax - how else can we afford all the home-grown dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day? selectortone
  • Score: -3

12:38pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Howdie says...

Sheldon Cooper wrote:
Loyal2AFCB wrote:
What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.
British born and bred people moving around Britain????

That is outrageous. Why would anyone want to leave the place where they were born? Why?

I will immediately write to my MP demanding they be sent back to their home towns and leave us to inbreed quite happily thank you very much.

And if I hear one more person bleating on about how national companies have set up here and need certain types of qualified worker that specialise in their business and may not be one available in a 2 mile radius so have to recruit from elsewhere in the UK I will probably be sick with indignation.

Bournemouth for Bournemouth people and everyone else can bugger off. And yes Poole that means you. And you Ringwood.
but nobody is born in Bournemouth anymore......Poole I thought was the place?
[quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.[/p][/quote]British born and bred people moving around Britain???? That is outrageous. Why would anyone want to leave the place where they were born? Why? I will immediately write to my MP demanding they be sent back to their home towns and leave us to inbreed quite happily thank you very much. And if I hear one more person bleating on about how national companies have set up here and need certain types of qualified worker that specialise in their business and may not be one available in a 2 mile radius so have to recruit from elsewhere in the UK I will probably be sick with indignation. Bournemouth for Bournemouth people and everyone else can bugger off. And yes Poole that means you. And you Ringwood.[/p][/quote]but nobody is born in Bournemouth anymore......Poole I thought was the place? Howdie
  • Score: 2

12:46pm Mon 14 Oct 13

NICO* says...

I'm Italian born and I've been living in this countrly for over 10 years. My wife is English and I have kids who are at school now. I leave and work in Bournemouth.
I can tell you that my kids can speak both languages just fine. They play with English and non-English friends and they will happily have a roast on a rainy day on Sunday and spaghetti for supper. Kids integrate.
Back where I'm from, people have same discussions you have here. We have lots of immigrants (you must have heard what's happen in Lampedusa last week) and, just so you know, there is also a large English community using the NHS equivalent and all the other services.
Most people migrate for necessity (or to have a nice house on the hills of Tuscany) and at one point in time everybody might need to move and get a better life elsewhere.
There is always two sides of a coin.
I'm Italian born and I've been living in this countrly for over 10 years. My wife is English and I have kids who are at school now. I leave and work in Bournemouth. I can tell you that my kids can speak both languages just fine. They play with English and non-English friends and they will happily have a roast on a rainy day on Sunday and spaghetti for supper. Kids integrate. Back where I'm from, people have same discussions you have here. We have lots of immigrants (you must have heard what's happen in Lampedusa last week) and, just so you know, there is also a large English community using the NHS equivalent and all the other services. Most people migrate for necessity (or to have a nice house on the hills of Tuscany) and at one point in time everybody might need to move and get a better life elsewhere. There is always two sides of a coin. NICO*
  • Score: 42

12:46pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Sheldon Cooper says...

ben111 wrote:
Sheldon Cooper wrote:
ben111 wrote: to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.
Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair..... morons with "limited education"? Lets = Let's spungers = spoungers them selves = themselves im = I’m its = it’s that believes = who believes that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub "Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub " So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"??? Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?
Being dyslexic, I welcome the critic
How convenient.
[quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: to everyone negatve voting any comment, At least have the balls to have an opinon on why you disagree.[/p][/quote]Yeah nice one Echo, Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub saying " They said this would appen, They should all go home, stealing our jobs spungers" for people that want a better life for them selves and family can you blame them,,,,,, come on im waiting for the comments from the sheeple programed by the mob/government. bleet bleet its not fair..... morons with "limited education"? Lets = Let's spungers = spoungers them selves = themselves im = I’m its = it’s that believes = who believes that sit in the pub = who sit in the pub "Lets get every moron with limited education that believes everything the SUN and the News tells them, that sit in the pub " So, we are morons if we believe in the "the News"? "the News"??? Now you were saying something about people being morons.....?[/p][/quote]Being dyslexic, I welcome the critic[/p][/quote]How convenient. Sheldon Cooper
  • Score: -9

12:48pm Mon 14 Oct 13

bluto999 says...

Loyal2AFCB wrote:
What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.
This is from the wikipedia page for Bournemouth: "Before it was founded in 1810 by Lewis Tregonwell, the area was a deserted heathland occasionally visited by fisherman and smugglers. "

So, in the last 200 years 100% of the population of Bournemouth has moved there from somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.[/p][/quote]This is from the wikipedia page for Bournemouth: "Before it was founded in 1810 by Lewis Tregonwell, the area was a deserted heathland occasionally visited by fisherman and smugglers. " So, in the last 200 years 100% of the population of Bournemouth has moved there from somewhere else. bluto999
  • Score: 24

12:48pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Sheldon Cooper says...

selectortone wrote:
We need as many immigrants as we can get. They work, they pay tax - how else can we afford all the home-grown dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day?
Would it not make sense to sort out the home-grown scroungers first?
[quote][p][bold]selectortone[/bold] wrote: We need as many immigrants as we can get. They work, they pay tax - how else can we afford all the home-grown dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day?[/p][/quote]Would it not make sense to sort out the home-grown scroungers first? Sheldon Cooper
  • Score: -4

12:50pm Mon 14 Oct 13

hadvar says...

Spooky. So, what this story is telling us is that..... a seaside town with lots of relatively low paid service sector seasonal work, with a university, a large tertiary college, many many language schools, some highly paid financial services jobs that attract internal transfers from the sub-continent..... has a lot of people in it that were not born locally. Who'd have thunk it?
Spooky. So, what this story is telling us is that..... a seaside town with lots of relatively low paid service sector seasonal work, with a university, a large tertiary college, many many language schools, some highly paid financial services jobs that attract internal transfers from the sub-continent..... has a lot of people in it that were not born locally. Who'd have thunk it? hadvar
  • Score: 19

12:57pm Mon 14 Oct 13

l'anglais says...

Wouldn't it be great if everyone who popped out their mothers womb didn't move an inch until they died from someone inbred genetic disorder.

Every street, every village, every inner city slum stuck to their own.
No Australia, NO USA, No ferries, no planes, no cars etc......
No lives the lot of you.......

Trade is about the movement of peoples, and your lives couldn't happen without immigration and emigration.
Wouldn't it be great if everyone who popped out their mothers womb didn't move an inch until they died from someone inbred genetic disorder. Every street, every village, every inner city slum stuck to their own. No Australia, NO USA, No ferries, no planes, no cars etc...... No lives the lot of you....... Trade is about the movement of peoples, and your lives couldn't happen without immigration and emigration. l'anglais
  • Score: 17

12:59pm Mon 14 Oct 13

The Liberal says...

Rally wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?
Do I really need to answer that?

Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned.
Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs.
NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly.
No integration- each sticks to their own.
Housing shortages-do I need to go on?
'What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?'
Voice concerns about illegal immigrants - Muslims in particular - and not get a visit from 'the Thought Police'.
I don't see anyone censoring your views on here, so what are you complaining about? Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you?
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?[/p][/quote]Do I really need to answer that? Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned. Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs. NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly. No integration- each sticks to their own. Housing shortages-do I need to go on?[/p][/quote]'What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?' Voice concerns about illegal immigrants - Muslims in particular - and not get a visit from 'the Thought Police'.[/p][/quote]I don't see anyone censoring your views on here, so what are you complaining about? Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you? The Liberal
  • Score: 18

1:05pm Mon 14 Oct 13

BoscVegas says...

I note that we haven't had many comments from our Romanian, Polish or Lithuanian peers. But to be fair, they are all at work.
I note that we haven't had many comments from our Romanian, Polish or Lithuanian peers. But to be fair, they are all at work. BoscVegas
  • Score: 24

1:11pm Mon 14 Oct 13

lilacfloyd says...

Lol! Bournemouth Echo the super troll.

I bet they rub their hands with glee when they release articles like this. ;)
Lol! Bournemouth Echo the super troll. I bet they rub their hands with glee when they release articles like this. ;) lilacfloyd
  • Score: 9

1:19pm Mon 14 Oct 13

MrPitiful says...

Sing along with me...

"Wherever I lay my hat....That's my hooooome"
Sing along with me... "Wherever I lay my hat....That's my hooooome" MrPitiful
  • Score: -6

1:35pm Mon 14 Oct 13

muscliffman says...

Loyal2AFCB wrote:
Sheldon Cooper wrote:
Loyal2AFCB wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.
British born and bred people moving around Britain???? That is outrageous. Why would anyone want to leave the place where they were born? Why? I will immediately write to my MP demanding they be sent back to their home towns and leave us to inbreed quite happily thank you very much. And if I hear one more person bleating on about how national companies have set up here and need certain types of qualified worker that specialise in their business and may not be one available in a 2 mile radius so have to recruit from elsewhere in the UK I will probably be sick with indignation. Bournemouth for Bournemouth people and everyone else can bugger off. And yes Poole that means you. And you Ringwood.
So migrants from the prosperous southeast have not pushed house prices beyond the reach of many people that were born in the area? Migration has not led to almost a vast amount of what was previously open space being concreted over?.Migration from certain cities in the north of England has not brought drugs and the associated crime in its wake? I don't know how long you have lived here but let me tell you something , this area is unrecognisable from how it was 30 years ago and it has undoubtedly changed for the worst.
I understand your sentiment, but people already residing inside a Country's borders surely 'move' when remaining within them rather than migrate?
[quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.[/p][/quote]British born and bred people moving around Britain???? That is outrageous. Why would anyone want to leave the place where they were born? Why? I will immediately write to my MP demanding they be sent back to their home towns and leave us to inbreed quite happily thank you very much. And if I hear one more person bleating on about how national companies have set up here and need certain types of qualified worker that specialise in their business and may not be one available in a 2 mile radius so have to recruit from elsewhere in the UK I will probably be sick with indignation. Bournemouth for Bournemouth people and everyone else can bugger off. And yes Poole that means you. And you Ringwood.[/p][/quote]So migrants from the prosperous southeast have not pushed house prices beyond the reach of many people that were born in the area? Migration has not led to almost a vast amount of what was previously open space being concreted over?.Migration from certain cities in the north of England has not brought drugs and the associated crime in its wake? I don't know how long you have lived here but let me tell you something , this area is unrecognisable from how it was 30 years ago and it has undoubtedly changed for the worst.[/p][/quote]I understand your sentiment, but people already residing inside a Country's borders surely 'move' when remaining within them rather than migrate? muscliffman
  • Score: -2

1:45pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Dr Strangelove says...

This mass immigration of legal and illegal people has helped keep house prices in their current bubble. It has also depressed wages thus making it impossible for the younger generation to get on the housing market. None of this is good for our children and grandchildren.
This mass immigration of legal and illegal people has helped keep house prices in their current bubble. It has also depressed wages thus making it impossible for the younger generation to get on the housing market. None of this is good for our children and grandchildren. Dr Strangelove
  • Score: 4

1:59pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Square Old Codger says...

BH1 loyal wrote:
Victor_Meldrew_Lives ! wrote: Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous.
Go to Bradford have you never left Bournemouth ?
I know Bradford and the surrounding Towns well, white flight everywhere, the little Church School my wife went to this year has just a single English pupil and that isn't a rare instance either. Fact is that the ethnic grops neither mix or become intergrated. I too believe that the official figures understate the true position. English speaking in my local shopping area is very much in the minority and I have yet to meet a legal immigrant! But given the wars, the slaughter of the innocent, rising sea levels. famine and poverty the numbers can only increase. Just look at recent events in Italy - people are desperate. This Country in now the most overcrowded in Europe and with the population set to reach 80m within a decade will soon be the World leader in population density. That will be twice the substainable population level. Perhaps we need to introduce the Chinese rule, one child only!
[quote][p][bold]BH1 loyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor_Meldrew_Lives ![/bold] wrote: Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous.[/p][/quote]Go to Bradford have you never left Bournemouth ?[/p][/quote]I know Bradford and the surrounding Towns well, white flight everywhere, the little Church School my wife went to this year has just a single English pupil and that isn't a rare instance either. Fact is that the ethnic grops neither mix or become intergrated. I too believe that the official figures understate the true position. English speaking in my local shopping area is very much in the minority and I have yet to meet a legal immigrant! But given the wars, the slaughter of the innocent, rising sea levels. famine and poverty the numbers can only increase. Just look at recent events in Italy - people are desperate. This Country in now the most overcrowded in Europe and with the population set to reach 80m within a decade will soon be the World leader in population density. That will be twice the substainable population level. Perhaps we need to introduce the Chinese rule, one child only! Square Old Codger
  • Score: 16

2:09pm Mon 14 Oct 13

The Liberal says...

muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Try to introduce illegal immigration into the argument, even when the story has nothing to do with it – tick.
 
Use the phrase 'we all know' to support a supposition – tick.
 
Have a sly dig at the Labour party – tick.
 
Have a go at unnamed 'UK authorities' without any citations to back it up – tick.
 
Make some strange, unrelated point (about the UK driving test when, in fact, anyone from an EU/EEA country who has lived here for six months is entitled to take it) – tick.
 
Make a facile analogy about locked front doors that doesn't really stand up to analysis – tick.
 
Makes some thinly veiled comment about immigrants daring to use their own language when talking among themselves – tick.
 
Express the usual rose-tinted nonsense about this not being the country that 'we all' grew up in – tick.
 
Use a straw-man argument about opponents supposedly claiming all immigration is good – tick.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Try to introduce illegal immigration into the argument, even when the story has nothing to do with it – tick.   Use the phrase 'we all know' to support a supposition – tick.   Have a sly dig at the Labour party – tick.   Have a go at unnamed 'UK authorities' without any citations to back it up – tick.   Make some strange, unrelated point (about the UK driving test when, in fact, anyone from an EU/EEA country who has lived here for six months is entitled to take it) – tick.   Make a facile analogy about locked front doors that doesn't really stand up to analysis – tick.   Makes some thinly veiled comment about immigrants daring to use their own language when talking among themselves – tick.   Express the usual rose-tinted nonsense about this not being the country that 'we all' grew up in – tick.   Use a straw-man argument about opponents supposedly claiming all immigration is good – tick. The Liberal
  • Score: 12

2:13pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Better Call Saul! says...

MrPitiful wrote:
On a side-note - I've never seen Bournemouth town centre from the angle as in the above pic. An interesting perspective of the town. Makes it seem quite small.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=vh5kZ4uIU
C0
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: On a side-note - I've never seen Bournemouth town centre from the angle as in the above pic. An interesting perspective of the town. Makes it seem quite small.[/p][/quote]http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=vh5kZ4uIU C0 Better Call Saul!
  • Score: 1

2:37pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Your country has been taken from you???

Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants.

Get a grip.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Your country has been taken from you??? Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants. Get a grip. Baysider
  • Score: 7

2:55pm Mon 14 Oct 13

datc42 says...

Baysider wrote:
This story is going to be manna from heaven for the Echo's comments section usual suspects isn't it...
Ask yourself, who is looking after your parents or grandparents in their old age. Can I recommend that you check out our essential services such as public transport, health care and count the number of Immigrants running these services, if you eliminate the immigrants our way of life will definitely collapse since these people are the ones that are keeping it going....
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: This story is going to be manna from heaven for the Echo's comments section usual suspects isn't it...[/p][/quote]Ask yourself, who is looking after your parents or grandparents in their old age. Can I recommend that you check out our essential services such as public transport, health care and count the number of Immigrants running these services, if you eliminate the immigrants our way of life will definitely collapse since these people are the ones that are keeping it going.... datc42
  • Score: 11

3:11pm Mon 14 Oct 13

FNS-man says...

Square Old Codger wrote:
BH1 loyal wrote:
Victor_Meldrew_Lives ! wrote: Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous.
Go to Bradford have you never left Bournemouth ?
I know Bradford and the surrounding Towns well, white flight everywhere, the little Church School my wife went to this year has just a single English pupil and that isn't a rare instance either. Fact is that the ethnic grops neither mix or become intergrated. I too believe that the official figures understate the true position. English speaking in my local shopping area is very much in the minority and I have yet to meet a legal immigrant! But given the wars, the slaughter of the innocent, rising sea levels. famine and poverty the numbers can only increase. Just look at recent events in Italy - people are desperate. This Country in now the most overcrowded in Europe and with the population set to reach 80m within a decade will soon be the World leader in population density. That will be twice the substainable population level. Perhaps we need to introduce the Chinese rule, one child only!
Which groups of immigrants haven't been integrated? Most of my friends are second-generation immigrants from places such as Iran, Ireland, Pakistan, Goa and Bangladesh. Their parents may have poor English, but they all worked hard and their children are as British as I am, went to university and now have jobs and kids. First-generation immigrants cannot integrate fully, but their children will.

Also, what is wrong about going shopping and hearing people talk in a different language? This keeps coming up, and I can't see what the problem is.
[quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BH1 loyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor_Meldrew_Lives ![/bold] wrote: Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous.[/p][/quote]Go to Bradford have you never left Bournemouth ?[/p][/quote]I know Bradford and the surrounding Towns well, white flight everywhere, the little Church School my wife went to this year has just a single English pupil and that isn't a rare instance either. Fact is that the ethnic grops neither mix or become intergrated. I too believe that the official figures understate the true position. English speaking in my local shopping area is very much in the minority and I have yet to meet a legal immigrant! But given the wars, the slaughter of the innocent, rising sea levels. famine and poverty the numbers can only increase. Just look at recent events in Italy - people are desperate. This Country in now the most overcrowded in Europe and with the population set to reach 80m within a decade will soon be the World leader in population density. That will be twice the substainable population level. Perhaps we need to introduce the Chinese rule, one child only![/p][/quote]Which groups of immigrants haven't been integrated? Most of my friends are second-generation immigrants from places such as Iran, Ireland, Pakistan, Goa and Bangladesh. Their parents may have poor English, but they all worked hard and their children are as British as I am, went to university and now have jobs and kids. First-generation immigrants cannot integrate fully, but their children will. Also, what is wrong about going shopping and hearing people talk in a different language? This keeps coming up, and I can't see what the problem is. FNS-man
  • Score: 10

3:31pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Square Old Codger wrote:
BH1 loyal wrote:
Victor_Meldrew_Lives ! wrote: Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous.
Go to Bradford have you never left Bournemouth ?
I know Bradford and the surrounding Towns well, white flight everywhere, the little Church School my wife went to this year has just a single English pupil and that isn't a rare instance either. Fact is that the ethnic grops neither mix or become intergrated. I too believe that the official figures understate the true position. English speaking in my local shopping area is very much in the minority and I have yet to meet a legal immigrant! But given the wars, the slaughter of the innocent, rising sea levels. famine and poverty the numbers can only increase. Just look at recent events in Italy - people are desperate. This Country in now the most overcrowded in Europe and with the population set to reach 80m within a decade will soon be the World leader in population density. That will be twice the substainable population level. Perhaps we need to introduce the Chinese rule, one child only!
Actually I have been to Bradford about 12 years ago. It was vile.

Hong Kong will look spacious compared to Southern England within 5 years.

Millions of decent English people have left the UK, mainly for warmer weather but also for more space and infrastructure that isn't bursting at the seams.

Spain and France are twice the size of the UK approximately. France has a similar population whilst Spain's population is less than two thirds of ours.
[quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BH1 loyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor_Meldrew_Lives ![/bold] wrote: Go to ASDA 'Beirut' at the Travel Interchange. You wouldn't know you were in England. In fact don't go there, it's horrendous.[/p][/quote]Go to Bradford have you never left Bournemouth ?[/p][/quote]I know Bradford and the surrounding Towns well, white flight everywhere, the little Church School my wife went to this year has just a single English pupil and that isn't a rare instance either. Fact is that the ethnic grops neither mix or become intergrated. I too believe that the official figures understate the true position. English speaking in my local shopping area is very much in the minority and I have yet to meet a legal immigrant! But given the wars, the slaughter of the innocent, rising sea levels. famine and poverty the numbers can only increase. Just look at recent events in Italy - people are desperate. This Country in now the most overcrowded in Europe and with the population set to reach 80m within a decade will soon be the World leader in population density. That will be twice the substainable population level. Perhaps we need to introduce the Chinese rule, one child only![/p][/quote]Actually I have been to Bradford about 12 years ago. It was vile. Hong Kong will look spacious compared to Southern England within 5 years. Millions of decent English people have left the UK, mainly for warmer weather but also for more space and infrastructure that isn't bursting at the seams. Spain and France are twice the size of the UK approximately. France has a similar population whilst Spain's population is less than two thirds of ours. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 2

4:08pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Rally says...

The Liberal wrote:
Rally wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?
Do I really need to answer that?

Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned.
Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs.
NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly.
No integration- each sticks to their own.
Housing shortages-do I need to go on?
'What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?'
Voice concerns about illegal immigrants - Muslims in particular - and not get a visit from 'the Thought Police'.
I don't see anyone censoring your views on here, so what are you complaining about? Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you?
Dear The Liberal,
Are you arguing that freedom of speech is not being slowly but surely eroded in Britain today?
If so, then I suggest that you remove your blinkers and look at, for example, the reactions to the lady who recently commented on the boating accident that caused some 200 deaths.
As far your comment, 'Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you?'
Don't be so wet, lad/lass.
You infer wrongly, plain and simple - which is hardly surprising if you live up to your moniker 'The Liberal'.
Everybody must be allowed freedom of speech, as long as it is not intended to cause trouble, incite violence, etc.
p.s. I don't agree with that lady's comment but I respect her right to say it.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?[/p][/quote]Do I really need to answer that? Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned. Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs. NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly. No integration- each sticks to their own. Housing shortages-do I need to go on?[/p][/quote]'What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?' Voice concerns about illegal immigrants - Muslims in particular - and not get a visit from 'the Thought Police'.[/p][/quote]I don't see anyone censoring your views on here, so what are you complaining about? Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you?[/p][/quote]Dear The Liberal, Are you arguing that freedom of speech is not being slowly but surely eroded in Britain today? If so, then I suggest that you remove your blinkers and look at, for example, the reactions to the lady who recently commented on the boating accident that caused some 200 deaths. As far your comment, 'Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you?' Don't be so wet, lad/lass. You infer wrongly, plain and simple - which is hardly surprising if you live up to your moniker 'The Liberal'. Everybody must be allowed freedom of speech, as long as it is not intended to cause trouble, incite violence, etc. p.s. I don't agree with that lady's comment but I respect her right to say it. Rally
  • Score: 4

4:32pm Mon 14 Oct 13

lilacfloyd says...

Rally wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
Rally wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?
Do I really need to answer that?

Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned.
Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs.
NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly.
No integration- each sticks to their own.
Housing shortages-do I need to go on?
'What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?'
Voice concerns about illegal immigrants - Muslims in particular - and not get a visit from 'the Thought Police'.
I don't see anyone censoring your views on here, so what are you complaining about? Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you?
Dear The Liberal,
Are you arguing that freedom of speech is not being slowly but surely eroded in Britain today?
If so, then I suggest that you remove your blinkers and look at, for example, the reactions to the lady who recently commented on the boating accident that caused some 200 deaths.
As far your comment, 'Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you?'
Don't be so wet, lad/lass.
You infer wrongly, plain and simple - which is hardly surprising if you live up to your moniker 'The Liberal'.
Everybody must be allowed freedom of speech, as long as it is not intended to cause trouble, incite violence, etc.
p.s. I don't agree with that lady's comment but I respect her right to say it.
Everybody must be allowed freedom of speech. Fullstop.
As soon as you say but or "as long as.." it's no longer free speech
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]What 'way of life' exactly? What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?[/p][/quote]Do I really need to answer that? Education-language barriers, crammed classrooms, traditions banned. Reduced wages-too much competition for jobs. NHS-stretched to breaking point, longer waiting times and less resources for the infirm and elderly. No integration- each sticks to their own. Housing shortages-do I need to go on?[/p][/quote]'What are you not able to do that your grandfather could?' Voice concerns about illegal immigrants - Muslims in particular - and not get a visit from 'the Thought Police'.[/p][/quote]I don't see anyone censoring your views on here, so what are you complaining about? Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you?[/p][/quote]Dear The Liberal, Are you arguing that freedom of speech is not being slowly but surely eroded in Britain today? If so, then I suggest that you remove your blinkers and look at, for example, the reactions to the lady who recently commented on the boating accident that caused some 200 deaths. As far your comment, 'Or perhaps you want to be able to state your views without anyone being allowed to disagree with you?' Don't be so wet, lad/lass. You infer wrongly, plain and simple - which is hardly surprising if you live up to your moniker 'The Liberal'. Everybody must be allowed freedom of speech, as long as it is not intended to cause trouble, incite violence, etc. p.s. I don't agree with that lady's comment but I respect her right to say it.[/p][/quote]Everybody must be allowed freedom of speech. Fullstop. As soon as you say but or "as long as.." it's no longer free speech lilacfloyd
  • Score: 5

4:49pm Mon 14 Oct 13

BackOfTheNet says...

There are very good reasons against complete freedom of speech, if you need them explaining to you then you are one of the reasons.
There are very good reasons against complete freedom of speech, if you need them explaining to you then you are one of the reasons. BackOfTheNet
  • Score: -7

5:02pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Bournemouthfan2 says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits.
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I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.
Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint!
I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits.
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My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand.
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Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century.
I have just done a quick search on the origins of the British population and found this (from Wikipedia):

The Anglo-Saxons were the population in Britain partly descended from the Germanic tribes who migrated from continental Europe and settled the south and east of the island beginning in the early 5th century. The Anglo-Saxon period denotes the period of English history after their initial settlement through their creation of the English nation, up to the Norman conquest; that is, between about 550 and 1066. The term Anglo-Saxon is also used for the language, today more correctly called Old English, that was spoken and written by the Anglo-Saxons in England (and parts of south-eastern Scotland) between at least the mid-5th century and the mid-12th century, after which it is known as Middle English.
The Benedictine monk Bede, writing in the early 8th century, identified the English as the descendants of three Germanic tribes:
the Angles, who probably came from Angeln (in modern Germany): Bede wrote that their whole nation came to Britain, leaving their former land empty. The name England (Old English: Engla land or Ængla land) originates from this tribe;
the Saxons, from Lower Saxony (in modern Germany; German: Niedersachsen) and the Low Countries;
the Jutes, possibly from the Jutland peninsula (in modern Denmark; Danish: Jylland).
Their language, Anglo-Saxon or Old English, which derived from Ingvaeonic West Germanic dialects, transformed into Middle English from the 11th century. The language was divided into four main dialects: West Saxon, Mercian, Northumbrian and Kentish.

Yikes! We are all descended from Germans!!
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits. . I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.[/p][/quote]Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint![/p][/quote]I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits. . My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand. . Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century.[/p][/quote]I have just done a quick search on the origins of the British population and found this (from Wikipedia): The Anglo-Saxons were the population in Britain partly descended from the Germanic tribes who migrated from continental Europe and settled the south and east of the island beginning in the early 5th century. The Anglo-Saxon period denotes the period of English history after their initial settlement through their creation of the English nation, up to the Norman conquest; that is, between about 550 and 1066.[1][2] The term Anglo-Saxon is also used for the language, today more correctly called Old English, that was spoken and written by the Anglo-Saxons in England (and parts of south-eastern Scotland) between at least the mid-5th century and the mid-12th century, after which it is known as Middle English.[3] The Benedictine monk Bede, writing in the early 8th century, identified the English as the descendants of three Germanic tribes:[4] the Angles, who probably came from Angeln (in modern Germany): Bede wrote that their whole nation came to Britain,[5] leaving their former land empty. The name England (Old English: Engla land or Ængla land) originates from this tribe;[6] the Saxons, from Lower Saxony (in modern Germany; German: Niedersachsen) and the Low Countries; the Jutes, possibly from the Jutland peninsula (in modern Denmark; Danish: Jylland). Their language, Anglo-Saxon or Old English, which derived from Ingvaeonic West Germanic dialects, transformed into Middle English from the 11th century. The language was divided into four main dialects: West Saxon, Mercian, Northumbrian and Kentish. Yikes! We are all descended from Germans!! Bournemouthfan2
  • Score: 7

5:07pm Mon 14 Oct 13

lilacfloyd says...

BackOfTheNet wrote:
There are very good reasons against complete freedom of speech, if you need them explaining to you then you are one of the reasons.
You are free to express your opinion. :)
[quote][p][bold]BackOfTheNet[/bold] wrote: There are very good reasons against complete freedom of speech, if you need them explaining to you then you are one of the reasons.[/p][/quote]You are free to express your opinion. :) lilacfloyd
  • Score: 5

5:12pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Dorset Logic says...

This is a local shop for local people.
This is a local shop for local people. Dorset Logic
  • Score: 7

5:15pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Megamace says...

VOTE UKIP!! Atleast they have the balls to close the door on Europe!

Never and I repeat NEVER vote for the 3 main parties (con, lab, lib) again!!
Just look at the mess they have left this country in!

Boscombe should be twinned with Poland, because thats the only language you can hear when walking through there!

If you have good qualifications then I recommend you move abroad because this country is over and ruined!! :(
VOTE UKIP!! Atleast they have the balls to close the door on Europe! Never and I repeat NEVER vote for the 3 main parties (con, lab, lib) again!! Just look at the mess they have left this country in! Boscombe should be twinned with Poland, because thats the only language you can hear when walking through there! If you have good qualifications then I recommend you move abroad because this country is over and ruined!! :( Megamace
  • Score: 4

5:19pm Mon 14 Oct 13

muscliffman says...

Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Your country has been taken from you???

Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants.

Get a grip.
I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left.

Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Your country has been taken from you??? Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants. Get a grip.[/p][/quote]I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left. Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately? muscliffman
  • Score: -6

5:30pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Megamace says...

Just wait until Bulgaria and Romania join the EU in January 2014!!!........
Just wait until Bulgaria and Romania join the EU in January 2014!!!........ Megamace
  • Score: 6

5:31pm Mon 14 Oct 13

muscliffman says...

The Liberal wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Try to introduce illegal immigration into the argument, even when the story has nothing to do with it – tick.
 
Use the phrase 'we all know' to support a supposition – tick.
 
Have a sly dig at the Labour party – tick.
 
Have a go at unnamed 'UK authorities' without any citations to back it up – tick.
 
Make some strange, unrelated point (about the UK driving test when, in fact, anyone from an EU/EEA country who has lived here for six months is entitled to take it) – tick.
 
Make a facile analogy about locked front doors that doesn't really stand up to analysis – tick.
 
Makes some thinly veiled comment about immigrants daring to use their own language when talking among themselves – tick.
 
Express the usual rose-tinted nonsense about this not being the country that 'we all' grew up in – tick.
 
Use a straw-man argument about opponents supposedly claiming all immigration is good – tick.
And for someone with completely opposing ideological views you can offer no better an alternative contribution than this?

If you want to demolish someone's argument surely the idea of constructive debate is to at least attempt to build a replacement.......
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Try to introduce illegal immigration into the argument, even when the story has nothing to do with it – tick.   Use the phrase 'we all know' to support a supposition – tick.   Have a sly dig at the Labour party – tick.   Have a go at unnamed 'UK authorities' without any citations to back it up – tick.   Make some strange, unrelated point (about the UK driving test when, in fact, anyone from an EU/EEA country who has lived here for six months is entitled to take it) – tick.   Make a facile analogy about locked front doors that doesn't really stand up to analysis – tick.   Makes some thinly veiled comment about immigrants daring to use their own language when talking among themselves – tick.   Express the usual rose-tinted nonsense about this not being the country that 'we all' grew up in – tick.   Use a straw-man argument about opponents supposedly claiming all immigration is good – tick.[/p][/quote]And for someone with completely opposing ideological views you can offer no better an alternative contribution than this? If you want to demolish someone's argument surely the idea of constructive debate is to at least attempt to build a replacement....... muscliffman
  • Score: -1

5:37pm Mon 14 Oct 13

BIGTONE says...

There is a large number of Spanish in the area applying and getting housing,council tax,job seeker benefits.
Why are they not in the equation ?
There is a large number of Spanish in the area applying and getting housing,council tax,job seeker benefits. Why are they not in the equation ? BIGTONE
  • Score: 7

5:41pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Megamace says...

bluto999 wrote:
Loyal2AFCB wrote:
What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.
This is from the wikipedia page for Bournemouth: "Before it was founded in 1810 by Lewis Tregonwell, the area was a deserted heathland occasionally visited by fisherman and smugglers. "

So, in the last 200 years 100% of the population of Bournemouth has moved there from somewhere else.
And in another 200 years the whole of England will be under concrete thanks to immigration!!
[quote][p][bold]bluto999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.[/p][/quote]This is from the wikipedia page for Bournemouth: "Before it was founded in 1810 by Lewis Tregonwell, the area was a deserted heathland occasionally visited by fisherman and smugglers. " So, in the last 200 years 100% of the population of Bournemouth has moved there from somewhere else.[/p][/quote]And in another 200 years the whole of England will be under concrete thanks to immigration!! Megamace
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Square Old Codger says...

Rally wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
BackOfTheNet wrote: What percentage of employees at the NHS were born overseas? Even the Daily Fail admits it's substantially more than in the general populous. We now have a minimum wage, so anyone that does work is guaranteed a wage, unlike when the Lord of the manor made you work in exchange for whatever he decided you deserved. Figures in this area will always be skewed by the number of local kids that leave school but can't find the sort of work that could buy a property here. Their only option is to leave the area or stay living with their parents.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when certain people on here need medical treatment and are met by a doctor born overseas. ;)
The Liberal wrote: 'I'd love to be a fly on the wall when certain people on here need medical treatment and are met by a doctor born overseas. ;)' I reckon it's the fuzzy hair, necklace of human teeth, bone through the nose, and heavy French accent that upsets some folk. :)
Approx 34% of Doctors ( some 81,600) - the highest number from India (8%)
and Pakistan (9% ) many too from Europe, Germany the highest at 2% ( approx 240,,000 Doctors licensed to practice in the UK) after cutting Nurse Training places, there are NHS recruitment teams in both Spain and Portugal at this moment. Forward Planning!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BackOfTheNet[/bold] wrote: What percentage of employees at the NHS were born overseas? Even the Daily Fail admits it's substantially more than in the general populous. We now have a minimum wage, so anyone that does work is guaranteed a wage, unlike when the Lord of the manor made you work in exchange for whatever he decided you deserved. Figures in this area will always be skewed by the number of local kids that leave school but can't find the sort of work that could buy a property here. Their only option is to leave the area or stay living with their parents.[/p][/quote]I'd love to be a fly on the wall when certain people on here need medical treatment and are met by a doctor born overseas. ;)[/p][/quote]The Liberal wrote: 'I'd love to be a fly on the wall when certain people on here need medical treatment and are met by a doctor born overseas. ;)' I reckon it's the fuzzy hair, necklace of human teeth, bone through the nose, and heavy French accent that upsets some folk. :)[/p][/quote]Approx 34% of Doctors ( some 81,600) - the highest number from India (8%) and Pakistan (9% ) many too from Europe, Germany the highest at 2% ( approx 240,,000 Doctors licensed to practice in the UK) after cutting Nurse Training places, there are NHS recruitment teams in both Spain and Portugal at this moment. Forward Planning!!!! Square Old Codger
  • Score: 5

5:52pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

bluto999 wrote:
Loyal2AFCB wrote:
What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.
This is from the wikipedia page for Bournemouth: "Before it was founded in 1810 by Lewis Tregonwell, the area was a deserted heathland occasionally visited by fisherman and smugglers. "

So, in the last 200 years 100% of the population of Bournemouth has moved there from somewhere else.
Exactly , I challenge someone to define a Bournemouth born and bred. Why are they so different or so unique they must be preserved? What Bournemouth/Dorset traits are we in danger of losing?
[quote][p][bold]bluto999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.[/p][/quote]This is from the wikipedia page for Bournemouth: "Before it was founded in 1810 by Lewis Tregonwell, the area was a deserted heathland occasionally visited by fisherman and smugglers. " So, in the last 200 years 100% of the population of Bournemouth has moved there from somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Exactly , I challenge someone to define a Bournemouth born and bred. Why are they so different or so unique they must be preserved? What Bournemouth/Dorset traits are we in danger of losing? Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: -4

5:57pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Rally wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Well put, muscliffman.
You do realise that what you say and I agree with here will get both of us branded as racist bigots. :)
No you won't , you are just reporting how it is, nothing wrong with that. It's not even a view -it is a fact of life living in Britain in October 2013.
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Well put, muscliffman. You do realise that what you say and I agree with here will get both of us branded as racist bigots. :)[/p][/quote]No you won't , you are just reporting how it is, nothing wrong with that. It's not even a view -it is a fact of life living in Britain in October 2013. Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 6

6:25pm Mon 14 Oct 13

High Treason says...

selectortone wrote:
We need as many immigrants as we can get. They work, they pay tax - how else can we afford all the home-grown dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day?
The number of EU migrants without a job living in Britain is more than 600,000 and they are probably dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day.
[quote][p][bold]selectortone[/bold] wrote: We need as many immigrants as we can get. They work, they pay tax - how else can we afford all the home-grown dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day?[/p][/quote]The number of EU migrants without a job living in Britain is more than 600,000 and they are probably dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day. High Treason
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Mon 14 Oct 13

BackOfTheNet says...

In what year was this country perfect? Is it when women would "feel the back of your hand" for disagreeing and children had nobody to go to when being abused?

Sounds worse in my opinion.
In what year was this country perfect? Is it when women would "feel the back of your hand" for disagreeing and children had nobody to go to when being abused? Sounds worse in my opinion. BackOfTheNet
  • Score: -6

6:33pm Mon 14 Oct 13

BackOfTheNet says...

High Treason wrote:
selectortone wrote:
We need as many immigrants as we can get. They work, they pay tax - how else can we afford all the home-grown dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day?
The number of EU migrants without a job living in Britain is more than 600,000 and they are probably dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day.
This questionable figure includes children, pensioners and spouses. If you believe all of these are claiming then you will believe anything as long at it suits your ideas.

It does, however, remain a statistical fact that a higher percentage of people born here are claiming benefits.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]selectortone[/bold] wrote: We need as many immigrants as we can get. They work, they pay tax - how else can we afford all the home-grown dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day?[/p][/quote]The number of EU migrants without a job living in Britain is more than 600,000 and they are probably dole scroungers sitting in front of their 50 inch flat screens all day.[/p][/quote]This questionable figure includes children, pensioners and spouses. If you believe all of these are claiming then you will believe anything as long at it suits your ideas. It does, however, remain a statistical fact that a higher percentage of people born here are claiming benefits. BackOfTheNet
  • Score: 1

6:52pm Mon 14 Oct 13

live-and-let-live says...

dont we go on eh? over 70 comments and whatever we say, who ever we vote for, nothing. will change. immigrants will keep coming . 1000's every day. we're stuck with it.. we will hear lots of talk but they will keep coming until the standards here are down to the standards of the countries they left behind. only then will the flood stop
dont we go on eh? over 70 comments and whatever we say, who ever we vote for, nothing. will change. immigrants will keep coming . 1000's every day. we're stuck with it.. we will hear lots of talk but they will keep coming until the standards here are down to the standards of the countries they left behind. only then will the flood stop live-and-let-live
  • Score: 11

6:54pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Sheldon Cooper says...

Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote: I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits. . I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.
Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint!
I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits. . My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand. . Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century.
I have just done a quick search on the origins of the British population and found this (from Wikipedia): The Anglo-Saxons were the population in Britain partly descended from the Germanic tribes who migrated from continental Europe and settled the south and east of the island beginning in the early 5th century. The Anglo-Saxon period denotes the period of English history after their initial settlement through their creation of the English nation, up to the Norman conquest; that is, between about 550 and 1066. The term Anglo-Saxon is also used for the language, today more correctly called Old English, that was spoken and written by the Anglo-Saxons in England (and parts of south-eastern Scotland) between at least the mid-5th century and the mid-12th century, after which it is known as Middle English. The Benedictine monk Bede, writing in the early 8th century, identified the English as the descendants of three Germanic tribes: the Angles, who probably came from Angeln (in modern Germany): Bede wrote that their whole nation came to Britain, leaving their former land empty. The name England (Old English: Engla land or Ængla land) originates from this tribe; the Saxons, from Lower Saxony (in modern Germany; German: Niedersachsen) and the Low Countries; the Jutes, possibly from the Jutland peninsula (in modern Denmark; Danish: Jylland). Their language, Anglo-Saxon or Old English, which derived from Ingvaeonic West Germanic dialects, transformed into Middle English from the 11th century. The language was divided into four main dialects: West Saxon, Mercian, Northumbrian and Kentish. Yikes! We are all descended from Germans!!
If you go back far enough you might find we're all from Africa, which would be just as irrelevant.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits. . I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.[/p][/quote]Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint![/p][/quote]I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits. . My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand. . Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century.[/p][/quote]I have just done a quick search on the origins of the British population and found this (from Wikipedia): The Anglo-Saxons were the population in Britain partly descended from the Germanic tribes who migrated from continental Europe and settled the south and east of the island beginning in the early 5th century. The Anglo-Saxon period denotes the period of English history after their initial settlement through their creation of the English nation, up to the Norman conquest; that is, between about 550 and 1066.[1][2] The term Anglo-Saxon is also used for the language, today more correctly called Old English, that was spoken and written by the Anglo-Saxons in England (and parts of south-eastern Scotland) between at least the mid-5th century and the mid-12th century, after which it is known as Middle English.[3] The Benedictine monk Bede, writing in the early 8th century, identified the English as the descendants of three Germanic tribes:[4] the Angles, who probably came from Angeln (in modern Germany): Bede wrote that their whole nation came to Britain,[5] leaving their former land empty. The name England (Old English: Engla land or Ængla land) originates from this tribe;[6] the Saxons, from Lower Saxony (in modern Germany; German: Niedersachsen) and the Low Countries; the Jutes, possibly from the Jutland peninsula (in modern Denmark; Danish: Jylland). Their language, Anglo-Saxon or Old English, which derived from Ingvaeonic West Germanic dialects, transformed into Middle English from the 11th century. The language was divided into four main dialects: West Saxon, Mercian, Northumbrian and Kentish. Yikes! We are all descended from Germans!![/p][/quote]If you go back far enough you might find we're all from Africa, which would be just as irrelevant. Sheldon Cooper
  • Score: 0

6:54pm Mon 14 Oct 13

GeorgeW64 says...

And we needed to read this in the ECHO did we, I only have to walk out the front door and every language spoken is polish, portugese, Spanish Chinese, etc, I have to walk about 4 miles to hear people speak in bloody English.
Anyone who thinks immigration is good for this country is either mad or doesn't have children, what sort of a future do you think they are going to have ? Time to end this madness now and close our borders permanently.
And may God help England.
And we needed to read this in the ECHO did we, I only have to walk out the front door and every language spoken is polish, portugese, Spanish Chinese, etc, I have to walk about 4 miles to hear people speak in bloody English. Anyone who thinks immigration is good for this country is either mad or doesn't have children, what sort of a future do you think they are going to have ? Time to end this madness now and close our borders permanently. And may God help England. GeorgeW64
  • Score: 20

7:10pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Megamace says...

When I was growing up 25 years ago I was proud to be English, now I am embarrassed to be English!
Britain is the laughing stock of the world!!
We need to remove the title "Great" out of Britain and replace it with either "Benefit" or "Immigrant"
The best days of this "once" great country are well and truely over, and its all downhill from here!!
When I was growing up 25 years ago I was proud to be English, now I am embarrassed to be English! Britain is the laughing stock of the world!! We need to remove the title "Great" out of Britain and replace it with either "Benefit" or "Immigrant" The best days of this "once" great country are well and truely over, and its all downhill from here!! Megamace
  • Score: 6

7:25pm Mon 14 Oct 13

brentmeister says...

This is a disgrace!! These parasites have no business in the UK. No one voted for free movement of labour with Spain or Eastern Europe. Conor Burns MP is also a disgrace for demonising British workers on the Sunday politics show. These Lib/Lab/Con politicians are traitors.
This is a disgrace!! These parasites have no business in the UK. No one voted for free movement of labour with Spain or Eastern Europe. Conor Burns MP is also a disgrace for demonising British workers on the Sunday politics show. These Lib/Lab/Con politicians are traitors. brentmeister
  • Score: 5

7:48pm Mon 14 Oct 13

brentmeister says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits.
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I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.
Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint!
I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits.
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My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand.
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Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century.
Who voted or asked for these EU migrants to live and work in the UK? Britain voted for a common market NOT free movement of labour. You mention the Job Centre is full of 'UK born people'. And you have the nerve to call other people names bases on a Tory / Daily Mail stereotype. Deprive employers and private landlords of cheap migrant labour and they would be forced to pay a living wage and reduce housing costs. All British workers want is a living wage and affordable housing/child care. Bigots like you make me sick.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits. . I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.[/p][/quote]Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint![/p][/quote]I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits. . My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand. . Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century.[/p][/quote]Who voted or asked for these EU migrants to live and work in the UK? Britain voted for a common market NOT free movement of labour. You mention the Job Centre is full of 'UK born people'. And you have the nerve to call other people names bases on a Tory / Daily Mail stereotype. Deprive employers and private landlords of cheap migrant labour and they would be forced to pay a living wage and reduce housing costs. All British workers want is a living wage and affordable housing/child care. Bigots like you make me sick. brentmeister
  • Score: 5

7:50pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Ayles 10 says...

I hate the high numbers of immigrants as much as the next person, however being in the hotel industry, its the eastern europeans (mostly) that are happy to put in a good day's graft and not go sick at the drop of a hat. Unfortunately there are too many brits that have been brought up in the benefit culture our government offers them on a plate and scrounge as much as they can without ever having done a day's work in their short lives and probably will never need to. Horribly sad, but true.
I hate the high numbers of immigrants as much as the next person, however being in the hotel industry, its the eastern europeans (mostly) that are happy to put in a good day's graft and not go sick at the drop of a hat. Unfortunately there are too many brits that have been brought up in the benefit culture our government offers them on a plate and scrounge as much as they can without ever having done a day's work in their short lives and probably will never need to. Horribly sad, but true. Ayles 10
  • Score: 3

8:09pm Mon 14 Oct 13

muscliffman says...

Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
bluto999 wrote:
Loyal2AFCB wrote:
What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.
This is from the wikipedia page for Bournemouth: "Before it was founded in 1810 by Lewis Tregonwell, the area was a deserted heathland occasionally visited by fisherman and smugglers. "

So, in the last 200 years 100% of the population of Bournemouth has moved there from somewhere else.
Exactly , I challenge someone to define a Bournemouth born and bred. Why are they so different or so unique they must be preserved? What Bournemouth/Dorset traits are we in danger of losing?
Actually a lot of us slightly older native Bournemouthians migrated from Hampshire to Dorset back in 1974 and we never felt a thing!
[quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluto999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: What about the people living in Bournemouth who have moved here from other parts of the U.K.?. Can anyone produce a statistic for that? In my opinion the huge wave of migration into the area from other parts of the country,particularly London, over the past 30 years or so represents a far greater threat to local identity than a few immigrants from overseas.[/p][/quote]This is from the wikipedia page for Bournemouth: "Before it was founded in 1810 by Lewis Tregonwell, the area was a deserted heathland occasionally visited by fisherman and smugglers. " So, in the last 200 years 100% of the population of Bournemouth has moved there from somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Exactly , I challenge someone to define a Bournemouth born and bred. Why are they so different or so unique they must be preserved? What Bournemouth/Dorset traits are we in danger of losing?[/p][/quote]Actually a lot of us slightly older native Bournemouthians migrated from Hampshire to Dorset back in 1974 and we never felt a thing! muscliffman
  • Score: 9

8:12pm Mon 14 Oct 13

brentmeister says...

brentmeister wrote:
This is a disgrace!! These parasites have no business in the UK. No one voted for free movement of labour with Spain or Eastern Europe. Conor Burns MP is also a disgrace for demonising British workers on the Sunday politics show. These Lib/Lab/Con politicians are traitors.
Correction: Conor Burns MP for Bournemouth West said on Radio 4's Westminster hour that 'on a sunny day British workers wouldn't turn up for work unlike hard working migrants'. Another good reason not to vote Tory at the next election. The man is a bigot and a racist.
[quote][p][bold]brentmeister[/bold] wrote: This is a disgrace!! These parasites have no business in the UK. No one voted for free movement of labour with Spain or Eastern Europe. Conor Burns MP is also a disgrace for demonising British workers on the Sunday politics show. These Lib/Lab/Con politicians are traitors.[/p][/quote]Correction: Conor Burns MP for Bournemouth West said on Radio 4's Westminster hour that 'on a sunny day British workers wouldn't turn up for work unlike hard working migrants'. Another good reason not to vote Tory at the next election. The man is a bigot and a racist. brentmeister
  • Score: 0

8:14pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Crank says...

The ESSENTIAL problem (with the others secondary and sometimes cancelling each other out) is the numbers. The population is already huge for indigenous people, then we have second-generation, but what is so disturbing and potentially very destabilising is the numbers of people, surely? At a level and a rate of increase which is having simply huge repercussions.
The ESSENTIAL problem (with the others secondary and sometimes cancelling each other out) is the numbers. The population is already huge for indigenous people, then we have second-generation, but what is so disturbing and potentially very destabilising is the numbers of people, surely? At a level and a rate of increase which is having simply huge repercussions. Crank
  • Score: 5

8:20pm Mon 14 Oct 13

muscliffman says...

BackOfTheNet wrote:
In what year was this country perfect? Is it when women would "feel the back of your hand" for disagreeing and children had nobody to go to when being abused?

Sounds worse in my opinion.
Ouch! A perfect and very regrettable description of life in the UK right NOW for some women and children in immigrant minorities - or don't you read the news?
[quote][p][bold]BackOfTheNet[/bold] wrote: In what year was this country perfect? Is it when women would "feel the back of your hand" for disagreeing and children had nobody to go to when being abused? Sounds worse in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Ouch! A perfect and very regrettable description of life in the UK right NOW for some women and children in immigrant minorities - or don't you read the news? muscliffman
  • Score: 3

8:21pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Adrian XX says...

Megamace wrote:
Just wait until Bulgaria and Romania join the EU in January 2014!!!........
Oh dear.

Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU on the 1st of January 2007.
[quote][p][bold]Megamace[/bold] wrote: Just wait until Bulgaria and Romania join the EU in January 2014!!!........[/p][/quote]Oh dear. Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU on the 1st of January 2007. Adrian XX
  • Score: 2

8:50pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Sheldon Cooper says...

Adrian XX wrote:
Megamace wrote: Just wait until Bulgaria and Romania join the EU in January 2014!!!........
Oh dear. Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU on the 1st of January 2007.
You know full well they were making reference to the fact they are different in that it is not until the end of 2013 that Bulgarians and Romanians will gain the same rights to work in the UK as other EU citizens.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Megamace[/bold] wrote: Just wait until Bulgaria and Romania join the EU in January 2014!!!........[/p][/quote]Oh dear. Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU on the 1st of January 2007.[/p][/quote]You know full well they were making reference to the fact they are different in that it is not until the end of 2013 that Bulgarians and Romanians will gain the same rights to work in the UK as other EU citizens. Sheldon Cooper
  • Score: 6

9:05pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Your country has been taken from you???

Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants.

Get a grip.
I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left.

Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?
Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket!

Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Your country has been taken from you??? Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants. Get a grip.[/p][/quote]I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left. Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?[/p][/quote]Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket! Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is. Baysider
  • Score: 2

9:09pm Mon 14 Oct 13

fireflier says...

Have you noticed ....HOUSING SHORTAGE !!!!!

Write along by Old Harry Rocks, Beachy Head and the White Cliffs of Dover:-

SORRY ...NO ENTRY....FULL UP.
Have you noticed ....HOUSING SHORTAGE !!!!! Write along by Old Harry Rocks, Beachy Head and the White Cliffs of Dover:- SORRY ...NO ENTRY....FULL UP. fireflier
  • Score: 5

10:29pm Mon 14 Oct 13

muscliffman says...

Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Your country has been taken from you???

Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants.

Get a grip.
I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left.

Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?
Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket!

Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.
I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then!

For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Your country has been taken from you??? Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants. Get a grip.[/p][/quote]I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left. Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?[/p][/quote]Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket! Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.[/p][/quote]I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then! For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz! muscliffman
  • Score: -1

10:45pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Your country has been taken from you???

Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants.

Get a grip.
I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left.

Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?
Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket!

Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.
I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then!

For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz!
Ha, ha. My extreme comments? From the man claiming not to be able to find an English speaker in Winton.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Your country has been taken from you??? Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants. Get a grip.[/p][/quote]I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left. Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?[/p][/quote]Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket! Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.[/p][/quote]I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then! For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz![/p][/quote]Ha, ha. My extreme comments? From the man claiming not to be able to find an English speaker in Winton. Baysider
  • Score: -6

10:45pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Your country has been taken from you???

Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants.

Get a grip.
I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left.

Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?
Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket!

Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.
I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then!

For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz!
Ha, ha. My extreme comments? From the man claiming not to be able to find an English speaker in Winton.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Your country has been taken from you??? Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants. Get a grip.[/p][/quote]I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left. Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?[/p][/quote]Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket! Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.[/p][/quote]I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then! For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz![/p][/quote]Ha, ha. My extreme comments? From the man claiming not to be able to find an English speaker in Winton. Baysider
  • Score: -3

10:48pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Sean de Lear says...

muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
"A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?)."

Children of Immigrant families are bi-lingual
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]"A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?)." Children of Immigrant families are bi-lingual Sean de Lear
  • Score: 0

11:01pm Mon 14 Oct 13

muscliffman says...

Sean de Lear wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
"A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?)."

Children of Immigrant families are bi-lingual
Of course, where did I say they were not?
[quote][p][bold]Sean de Lear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]"A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?)." Children of Immigrant families are bi-lingual[/p][/quote]Of course, where did I say they were not? muscliffman
  • Score: 0

11:02pm Mon 14 Oct 13

rba says...

personally i am fed up with the amount of non brits in bournemouth, its got beyond a joke. come here on vacation, study, tour or do whatever for a short stay, respect the law and community then go home.
personally i am fed up with the amount of non brits in bournemouth, its got beyond a joke. come here on vacation, study, tour or do whatever for a short stay, respect the law and community then go home. rba
  • Score: 6

11:17pm Mon 14 Oct 13

HRH of Boscombe says...

Sheldon Cooper wrote:
On and I forgot sheep 'bleat' they do not 'bleet'.

Just so you know.
Change your name and embarrass yourself moron!
[quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: On and I forgot sheep 'bleat' they do not 'bleet'. Just so you know.[/p][/quote]Change your name and embarrass yourself moron! HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -4

11:26pm Mon 14 Oct 13

muscliffman says...

Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Your country has been taken from you???

Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants.

Get a grip.
I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left.

Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?
Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket!

Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.
I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then!

For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz!
Ha, ha. My extreme comments? From the man claiming not to be able to find an English speaker in Winton.
The traditional lefty refuge of the false quote, loud accusation and no debate - but don't worry we expect nothing else.

You do your cause absolutely no favours by putting new words and meanings into other people's posts and then having a go about them - in fact you appear very confused!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Your country has been taken from you??? Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants. Get a grip.[/p][/quote]I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left. Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?[/p][/quote]Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket! Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.[/p][/quote]I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then! For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz![/p][/quote]Ha, ha. My extreme comments? From the man claiming not to be able to find an English speaker in Winton.[/p][/quote]The traditional lefty refuge of the false quote, loud accusation and no debate - but don't worry we expect nothing else. You do your cause absolutely no favours by putting new words and meanings into other people's posts and then having a go about them - in fact you appear very confused! muscliffman
  • Score: 3

11:28pm Mon 14 Oct 13

Sheldon Cooper says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Sheldon Cooper wrote: On and I forgot sheep 'bleat' they do not 'bleet'. Just so you know.
Change your name and embarrass yourself moron!
Say again?
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheldon Cooper[/bold] wrote: On and I forgot sheep 'bleat' they do not 'bleet'. Just so you know.[/p][/quote]Change your name and embarrass yourself moron![/p][/quote]Say again? Sheldon Cooper
  • Score: 3

12:14am Tue 15 Oct 13

bournemouth barry says...

The Liberal wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Try to introduce illegal immigration into the argument, even when the story has nothing to do with it – tick.
 
Use the phrase 'we all know' to support a supposition – tick.
 
Have a sly dig at the Labour party – tick.
 
Have a go at unnamed 'UK authorities' without any citations to back it up – tick.
 
Make some strange, unrelated point (about the UK driving test when, in fact, anyone from an EU/EEA country who has lived here for six months is entitled to take it) – tick.
 
Make a facile analogy about locked front doors that doesn't really stand up to analysis – tick.
 
Makes some thinly veiled comment about immigrants daring to use their own language when talking among themselves – tick.
 
Express the usual rose-tinted nonsense about this not being the country that 'we all' grew up in – tick.
 
Use a straw-man argument about opponents supposedly claiming all immigration is good – tick.
LIBERALISM is a mental disorder,its people with views like yours that have destroyed this once proud country for the worst, And as for your reference to the Liebour party, Tony and and his human rights blood sucking wife,should be hung for treason to the indigenous people of Britain ! Before i have to nail my front door shut, and be called Racist uneducated right winger bla bla bla ,I've traveled quite a lot of this wonderful planet, One thing i always had for the country/region i was in, was RESPECT !! so if i"m wrong saying enough is enough ,so be it! Right i"m off to find some nails!
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Try to introduce illegal immigration into the argument, even when the story has nothing to do with it – tick.   Use the phrase 'we all know' to support a supposition – tick.   Have a sly dig at the Labour party – tick.   Have a go at unnamed 'UK authorities' without any citations to back it up – tick.   Make some strange, unrelated point (about the UK driving test when, in fact, anyone from an EU/EEA country who has lived here for six months is entitled to take it) – tick.   Make a facile analogy about locked front doors that doesn't really stand up to analysis – tick.   Makes some thinly veiled comment about immigrants daring to use their own language when talking among themselves – tick.   Express the usual rose-tinted nonsense about this not being the country that 'we all' grew up in – tick.   Use a straw-man argument about opponents supposedly claiming all immigration is good – tick.[/p][/quote]LIBERALISM is a mental disorder,its people with views like yours that have destroyed this once proud country for the worst, And as for your reference to the Liebour party, Tony and and his human rights blood sucking wife,should be hung for treason to the indigenous people of Britain ! Before i have to nail my front door shut, and be called Racist uneducated right winger bla bla bla ,I've traveled quite a lot of this wonderful planet, One thing i always had for the country/region i was in, was RESPECT !! so if i"m wrong saying enough is enough ,so be it! Right i"m off to find some nails! bournemouth barry
  • Score: 3

12:15am Tue 15 Oct 13

Jacobsmith95 says...

Is this the Daily Mail?
Is this the Daily Mail? Jacobsmith95
  • Score: -1

12:39am Tue 15 Oct 13

lilacfloyd says...

Jacobsmith95 wrote:
Is this the Daily Mail?
Daily Mail Lite?
[quote][p][bold]Jacobsmith95[/bold] wrote: Is this the Daily Mail?[/p][/quote]Daily Mail Lite? lilacfloyd
  • Score: 0

5:11am Tue 15 Oct 13

Phixer says...

NICO* wrote:
I'm Italian born and I've been living in this countrly for over 10 years. My wife is English and I have kids who are at school now. I leave and work in Bournemouth.
I can tell you that my kids can speak both languages just fine. They play with English and non-English friends and they will happily have a roast on a rainy day on Sunday and spaghetti for supper. Kids integrate.
Back where I'm from, people have same discussions you have here. We have lots of immigrants (you must have heard what's happen in Lampedusa last week) and, just so you know, there is also a large English community using the NHS equivalent and all the other services.
Most people migrate for necessity (or to have a nice house on the hills of Tuscany) and at one point in time everybody might need to move and get a better life elsewhere.
There is always two sides of a coin.
Nice to see a balanced comment.
[quote][p][bold]NICO*[/bold] wrote: I'm Italian born and I've been living in this countrly for over 10 years. My wife is English and I have kids who are at school now. I leave and work in Bournemouth. I can tell you that my kids can speak both languages just fine. They play with English and non-English friends and they will happily have a roast on a rainy day on Sunday and spaghetti for supper. Kids integrate. Back where I'm from, people have same discussions you have here. We have lots of immigrants (you must have heard what's happen in Lampedusa last week) and, just so you know, there is also a large English community using the NHS equivalent and all the other services. Most people migrate for necessity (or to have a nice house on the hills of Tuscany) and at one point in time everybody might need to move and get a better life elsewhere. There is always two sides of a coin.[/p][/quote]Nice to see a balanced comment. Phixer
  • Score: 9

5:13am Tue 15 Oct 13

Afcbpete says...

afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
I totally agree with you, and many others that I've read, although not waded through all the posts by a long way. We almost get accused of being racist for wanting to be ENGLISH!! This country is nothing like the country I wanted my kids/grandkids to grow up in. I for one never voted for a multiracial society, it's something that's been forced on me, and before some clever dick tells me we've been multicultural for centuries, I'm well aware of that, but it's the amount of immigration that has created it to an overwhelming extent, not isolated pockets as it has been over time. I've seen it far too often, where people have come over here to work, but also to use our system to have kids and bring them up. Then on the other side of the coin, where they come over, just to abuse our system and not work at all. So ok, come over here and work, and after let's say 5 years of working, THEN they, or their family members can start to receive benefit entitlement. I've often said to my wife when in Boscombe, that walking around there was no different to being abroad. I don't consider myself racist, but immigration is totally out of control, and I don't feel as though I'm allowed to be English any more, because by being so I'm racist. Well if sticking up for our English way of life, traditions is racist, them fine, I'm racist. If not wanting our way of life swamped by traditions and a way of life brought in from other countries i.e. Mosques/ and especially Minarets, yes I'm racist, and no, I realise as yet thankfully, Minarets haven't hit the Bournemouth skyline to my knowledge, but give it time. I don't see myself a racist one bit, but if you want to come to England, you live by our laws and our ways, not thrust yours down our throats!!!
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you, and many others that I've read, although not waded through all the posts by a long way. We almost get accused of being racist for wanting to be ENGLISH!! This country is nothing like the country I wanted my kids/grandkids to grow up in. I for one never voted for a multiracial society, it's something that's been forced on me, and before some clever dick tells me we've been multicultural for centuries, I'm well aware of that, but it's the amount of immigration that has created it to an overwhelming extent, not isolated pockets as it has been over time. I've seen it far too often, where people have come over here to work, but also to use our system to have kids and bring them up. Then on the other side of the coin, where they come over, just to abuse our system and not work at all. So ok, come over here and work, and after let's say 5 years of working, THEN they, or their family members can start to receive benefit entitlement. I've often said to my wife when in Boscombe, that walking around there was no different to being abroad. I don't consider myself racist, but immigration is totally out of control, and I don't feel as though I'm allowed to be English any more, because by being so I'm racist. Well if sticking up for our English way of life, traditions is racist, them fine, I'm racist. If not wanting our way of life swamped by traditions and a way of life brought in from other countries i.e. Mosques/ and especially Minarets, yes I'm racist, and no, I realise as yet thankfully, Minarets haven't hit the Bournemouth skyline to my knowledge, but give it time. I don't see myself a racist one bit, but if you want to come to England, you live by our laws and our ways, not thrust yours down our throats!!! Afcbpete
  • Score: -2

5:19am Tue 15 Oct 13

Afcbpete says...

Phixer wrote:
NICO* wrote:
I'm Italian born and I've been living in this countrly for over 10 years. My wife is English and I have kids who are at school now. I leave and work in Bournemouth.
I can tell you that my kids can speak both languages just fine. They play with English and non-English friends and they will happily have a roast on a rainy day on Sunday and spaghetti for supper. Kids integrate.
Back where I'm from, people have same discussions you have here. We have lots of immigrants (you must have heard what's happen in Lampedusa last week) and, just so you know, there is also a large English community using the NHS equivalent and all the other services.
Most people migrate for necessity (or to have a nice house on the hills of Tuscany) and at one point in time everybody might need to move and get a better life elsewhere.
There is always two sides of a coin.
Nice to see a balanced comment.
I don't think the numbers migrating between us, France, Italy, Germany (as examples), are the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NICO*[/bold] wrote: I'm Italian born and I've been living in this countrly for over 10 years. My wife is English and I have kids who are at school now. I leave and work in Bournemouth. I can tell you that my kids can speak both languages just fine. They play with English and non-English friends and they will happily have a roast on a rainy day on Sunday and spaghetti for supper. Kids integrate. Back where I'm from, people have same discussions you have here. We have lots of immigrants (you must have heard what's happen in Lampedusa last week) and, just so you know, there is also a large English community using the NHS equivalent and all the other services. Most people migrate for necessity (or to have a nice house on the hills of Tuscany) and at one point in time everybody might need to move and get a better life elsewhere. There is always two sides of a coin.[/p][/quote]Nice to see a balanced comment.[/p][/quote]I don't think the numbers migrating between us, France, Italy, Germany (as examples), are the problem. Afcbpete
  • Score: -8

8:41am Tue 15 Oct 13

cromwell9 says...

Looks like this little iland is going to sink under the wait.
Its obvious we cant go on like this ..
Thats why i am voting UKIP in the next election, so we can sort it out and control our boarders .
If we dont .I CAN SEE TROUBLE AHEAD.
Looks like this little iland is going to sink under the wait. Its obvious we cant go on like this .. Thats why i am voting UKIP in the next election, so we can sort it out and control our boarders . If we dont .I CAN SEE TROUBLE AHEAD. cromwell9
  • Score: 4

9:04am Tue 15 Oct 13

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Your country has been taken from you???

Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants.

Get a grip.
I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left.

Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?
Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket!

Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.
I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then!

For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz!
Ha, ha. My extreme comments? From the man claiming not to be able to find an English speaker in Winton.
The traditional lefty refuge of the false quote, loud accusation and no debate - but don't worry we expect nothing else.

You do your cause absolutely no favours by putting new words and meanings into other people's posts and then having a go about them - in fact you appear very confused!
No confusion at all Muzzy. I'm lucky to live in such a nice town and appreciate that in the scheme of things the problems we do have are really rather minor. Others, as evidenced by your laughable description of your recent shopping trips, prefer to constantly look for negatives and pretend instead that they are living in some post apocalyptic hell hole surrounded by people who, shock horror, speak a bit funny...

If having a bit of perspective on the effects of immigration in Bournemouth makes me some raving lefty as you would say, then so be it but TBF though compared to yourself , Nigel Farage is a flipping commie so I won't be losing too much sleep.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Your country has been taken from you??? Good god you spout utter garbage on here, day after day after day, but that is up there with the worst of it. You live in Bournemouth for heavens sake not some inner city slum full of third world immigrants. Get a grip.[/p][/quote]I normally seem to spout quite popular garbage though unlike some 'Baysider' - but why are your responses always so vacuous, feeble and unreservedly personal? - these are normally the hallmarks of the politically left. Anyway, to your comment "not some inner city slum full of third world....." so we must assume you have not been over to parts of Boscombe lately?[/p][/quote]Deary me, you actually believe this rubbish don't you? You only come across "non-English speaking fellow shoppers" in the WHOLE of Winton did you? Did you really, or are you just making stuff up to support your jaundiced view??? And how dare people talk to each other in their first language in the supermarket! Get some perspective why don't you - try going to Newham, Brent or Tower Hamlets and then coming back and portraying Bournemouth as the sort of third world shanty town you'd have us believe it is.[/p][/quote]I have no idea why I bother to credit your extreme comments with any reply, in this case you have responded twice in classic lefty fashion, because on neither occasion have you made any useful contribution to the discussions whatsoever - nothing new there then! For your information though the only first language in this Country is English - czy rozumiesz![/p][/quote]Ha, ha. My extreme comments? From the man claiming not to be able to find an English speaker in Winton.[/p][/quote]The traditional lefty refuge of the false quote, loud accusation and no debate - but don't worry we expect nothing else. You do your cause absolutely no favours by putting new words and meanings into other people's posts and then having a go about them - in fact you appear very confused![/p][/quote]No confusion at all Muzzy. I'm lucky to live in such a nice town and appreciate that in the scheme of things the problems we do have are really rather minor. Others, as evidenced by your laughable description of your recent shopping trips, prefer to constantly look for negatives and pretend instead that they are living in some post apocalyptic hell hole surrounded by people who, shock horror, speak a bit funny... If having a bit of perspective on the effects of immigration in Bournemouth makes me some raving lefty as you would say, then so be it but TBF though compared to yourself , Nigel Farage is a flipping commie so I won't be losing too much sleep. Baysider
  • Score: -3

9:58am Tue 15 Oct 13

Dorset Logic says...

I think we should tax all foreigners living abroad.
I think we should tax all foreigners living abroad. Dorset Logic
  • Score: 2

10:21am Tue 15 Oct 13

sarlane says...

You want to try living in London. Recently, on my commute to work, the train carriage was "invaded" by a party of primary school children (I suspect all from one class). Among their number was just one - yes, I said one - white English child. If you think things are bad in Bournemouth, you want to try getting out a bit and see what the rest of us have to endure. Fortunately I'll be retiring in two and a half years time and moving - not back to my home town of Bournemouth, either, (it is no longer the Bournemouth I was born, brought up in and lived and worked in for more than 40 years) but much further North.
You want to try living in London. Recently, on my commute to work, the train carriage was "invaded" by a party of primary school children (I suspect all from one class). Among their number was just one - yes, I said one - white English child. If you think things are bad in Bournemouth, you want to try getting out a bit and see what the rest of us have to endure. Fortunately I'll be retiring in two and a half years time and moving - not back to my home town of Bournemouth, either, (it is no longer the Bournemouth I was born, brought up in and lived and worked in for more than 40 years) but much further North. sarlane
  • Score: 3

10:35am Tue 15 Oct 13

The Liberal says...

muscliffman wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!).

We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency.

We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget.

Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?).

I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?
Try to introduce illegal immigration into the argument, even when the story has nothing to do with it – tick.
 
Use the phrase 'we all know' to support a supposition – tick.
 
Have a sly dig at the Labour party – tick.
 
Have a go at unnamed 'UK authorities' without any citations to back it up – tick.
 
Make some strange, unrelated point (about the UK driving test when, in fact, anyone from an EU/EEA country who has lived here for six months is entitled to take it) – tick.
 
Make a facile analogy about locked front doors that doesn't really stand up to analysis – tick.
 
Makes some thinly veiled comment about immigrants daring to use their own language when talking among themselves – tick.
 
Express the usual rose-tinted nonsense about this not being the country that 'we all' grew up in – tick.
 
Use a straw-man argument about opponents supposedly claiming all immigration is good – tick.
And for someone with completely opposing ideological views you can offer no better an alternative contribution than this?

If you want to demolish someone's argument surely the idea of constructive debate is to at least attempt to build a replacement.......
I demolished every single one of your points and you're not happy about it. i get that.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I certainly agree with the comments suggesting these 'official' figures representing the non-English legally here is quite meaningless and almost certainly in my view several 100% below the immigration reality - e.g. if you are here illegally you would of course fill out a census form! We all know our border authorities have been unfit for purpose for decades and at least for some of the time under Labour quite probably intentionally (importing likely votes!). We know our useless UK authorities who have been well known to employ many illegal immigrants have been freely issuing National Insurance numbers to all, opening the doors to the NHS and Benefits to absolutely anyone - no questions. We also know they have even been providing interpreters so anybody can take a UK Driving Test and gain a UK licence - again with no questions about legitimate residency. We all shut and often lock the front doors to our private family homes for exactly the same reasons that we should and used to control and shut the door to our national home - this Country. It did not mean that those outside the door were all our enemies (although some were and some are) and not welcome to come in and even stay when invited, but it did allow us to live securely as we chose and to do and within our own carefully managed budget. Locally I have lately witnessed immense changes. A stroll through Winton where my encounters were all with non-English speaking fellow shoppers, a trip to a nearby large Supermarket where numerous customers and staff alike talked to each other in foreign tongues. A sunny day at home this summer with the windows open overhearing the laughter of a large group of children playing on a nearby Bournemouth suburban green in such a traditionally British way before realising none of them were using a word of English. (How does that work in schools?). I am sure many of us cannot avoid the feeling that the Country we loved, were brought up in, worked in and intended to retire in has unquestionably been somehow taken from us - because it has certainly all but gone. If this immigration fuelled change is all so good, who for? Should the native population really be expected to unquestionably celebrate it?[/p][/quote]Try to introduce illegal immigration into the argument, even when the story has nothing to do with it – tick.   Use the phrase 'we all know' to support a supposition – tick.   Have a sly dig at the Labour party – tick.   Have a go at unnamed 'UK authorities' without any citations to back it up – tick.   Make some strange, unrelated point (about the UK driving test when, in fact, anyone from an EU/EEA country who has lived here for six months is entitled to take it) – tick.   Make a facile analogy about locked front doors that doesn't really stand up to analysis – tick.   Makes some thinly veiled comment about immigrants daring to use their own language when talking among themselves – tick.   Express the usual rose-tinted nonsense about this not being the country that 'we all' grew up in – tick.   Use a straw-man argument about opponents supposedly claiming all immigration is good – tick.[/p][/quote]And for someone with completely opposing ideological views you can offer no better an alternative contribution than this? If you want to demolish someone's argument surely the idea of constructive debate is to at least attempt to build a replacement.......[/p][/quote]I demolished every single one of your points and you're not happy about it. i get that. The Liberal
  • Score: 1

12:12pm Tue 15 Oct 13

The Liberal says...

Afcbpete wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
I totally agree with you, and many others that I've read, although not waded through all the posts by a long way. We almost get accused of being racist for wanting to be ENGLISH!! This country is nothing like the country I wanted my kids/grandkids to grow up in. I for one never voted for a multiracial society, it's something that's been forced on me, and before some clever dick tells me we've been multicultural for centuries, I'm well aware of that, but it's the amount of immigration that has created it to an overwhelming extent, not isolated pockets as it has been over time. I've seen it far too often, where people have come over here to work, but also to use our system to have kids and bring them up. Then on the other side of the coin, where they come over, just to abuse our system and not work at all. So ok, come over here and work, and after let's say 5 years of working, THEN they, or their family members can start to receive benefit entitlement. I've often said to my wife when in Boscombe, that walking around there was no different to being abroad. I don't consider myself racist, but immigration is totally out of control, and I don't feel as though I'm allowed to be English any more, because by being so I'm racist. Well if sticking up for our English way of life, traditions is racist, them fine, I'm racist. If not wanting our way of life swamped by traditions and a way of life brought in from other countries i.e. Mosques/ and especially Minarets, yes I'm racist, and no, I realise as yet thankfully, Minarets haven't hit the Bournemouth skyline to my knowledge, but give it time. I don't see myself a racist one bit, but if you want to come to England, you live by our laws and our ways, not thrust yours down our throats!!!
So, basically, you're saying, ‘I'm not a racist… but I don't like people with a different skin colour, language, culture or religion 'polluting' my country… Nor do I believe in the freedom of worship, as enshrined in UK law.’ Hmm…
[quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you, and many others that I've read, although not waded through all the posts by a long way. We almost get accused of being racist for wanting to be ENGLISH!! This country is nothing like the country I wanted my kids/grandkids to grow up in. I for one never voted for a multiracial society, it's something that's been forced on me, and before some clever dick tells me we've been multicultural for centuries, I'm well aware of that, but it's the amount of immigration that has created it to an overwhelming extent, not isolated pockets as it has been over time. I've seen it far too often, where people have come over here to work, but also to use our system to have kids and bring them up. Then on the other side of the coin, where they come over, just to abuse our system and not work at all. So ok, come over here and work, and after let's say 5 years of working, THEN they, or their family members can start to receive benefit entitlement. I've often said to my wife when in Boscombe, that walking around there was no different to being abroad. I don't consider myself racist, but immigration is totally out of control, and I don't feel as though I'm allowed to be English any more, because by being so I'm racist. Well if sticking up for our English way of life, traditions is racist, them fine, I'm racist. If not wanting our way of life swamped by traditions and a way of life brought in from other countries i.e. Mosques/ and especially Minarets, yes I'm racist, and no, I realise as yet thankfully, Minarets haven't hit the Bournemouth skyline to my knowledge, but give it time. I don't see myself a racist one bit, but if you want to come to England, you live by our laws and our ways, not thrust yours down our throats!!![/p][/quote]So, basically, you're saying, ‘I'm not a racist… but I don't like people with a different skin colour, language, culture or religion 'polluting' my country… Nor do I believe in the freedom of worship, as enshrined in UK law.’ Hmm… The Liberal
  • Score: 6

12:28pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Afcbpete says...

Did I use the word polluting?? No I thought not. Did I say I don't want other religions?? No, I thought not. Just twist something around to suite your argument. why don't you.Do I have a problem with other religions, people of other ethnic origins within reason?? No I don't, but do I want to see Minarets and Gold Domes?? NO I DON'T!!
Did I use the word polluting?? No I thought not. Did I say I don't want other religions?? No, I thought not. Just twist something around to suite your argument. why don't you.Do I have a problem with other religions, people of other ethnic origins within reason?? No I don't, but do I want to see Minarets and Gold Domes?? NO I DON'T!! Afcbpete
  • Score: -10

12:44pm Tue 15 Oct 13

ekimnoslen says...

afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
I am inclined to agree. Foreigners come here and we are made to comply with their demands. If we travel to their countries of origin we are not extended the same courtesy.
We are a European country with a tradition of secular government. Our primary religion is Christianity but we try to respect the beliefs of others. Can the same be said of those countries where Islam is the primary religion. I think not. Islam is a synonym for intolerance and in many cases hatred of other religions. They wish to turn our country into a non secular Islamist state. Resist. The UK may not be perfect but most of the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish, who largely make up the native population do not want this.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]I am inclined to agree. Foreigners come here and we are made to comply with their demands. If we travel to their countries of origin we are not extended the same courtesy. We are a European country with a tradition of secular government. Our primary religion is Christianity but we try to respect the beliefs of others. Can the same be said of those countries where Islam is the primary religion. I think not. Islam is a synonym for intolerance and in many cases hatred of other religions. They wish to turn our country into a non secular Islamist state. Resist. The UK may not be perfect but most of the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish, who largely make up the native population do not want this. ekimnoslen
  • Score: -3

2:41pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Crank says...

It's a great shame to see this debate descend into vicious personal abuse. But it does show how it has become a matter of great concern which our leaders have created for us to deal with as we can, and become a divided nation.
For the record, Nigel Farage is anything but Communist! If only you listened to what UKIP says, you will probably find it has explored all these issues the same as you have, and the remedy is to get out of the EU (not out of Europe) and get our country back.
It's a great shame to see this debate descend into vicious personal abuse. But it does show how it has become a matter of great concern which our leaders have created for us to deal with as we can, and become a divided nation. For the record, Nigel Farage is anything but Communist! If only you listened to what UKIP says, you will probably find it has explored all these issues the same as you have, and the remedy is to get out of the EU (not out of Europe) and get our country back. Crank
  • Score: 12

2:53pm Tue 15 Oct 13

The Liberal says...

Afcbpete wrote:
Did I use the word polluting?? No I thought not. Did I say I don't want other religions?? No, I thought not. Just twist something around to suite your argument. why don't you.Do I have a problem with other religions, people of other ethnic origins within reason?? No I don't, but do I want to see Minarets and Gold Domes?? NO I DON'T!!
So it's okay for others to follow their own religion, just so long as they check it's okay with you first? Wow.
[quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: Did I use the word polluting?? No I thought not. Did I say I don't want other religions?? No, I thought not. Just twist something around to suite your argument. why don't you.Do I have a problem with other religions, people of other ethnic origins within reason?? No I don't, but do I want to see Minarets and Gold Domes?? NO I DON'T!![/p][/quote]So it's okay for others to follow their own religion, just so long as they check it's okay with you first? Wow. The Liberal
  • Score: 11

3:41pm Tue 15 Oct 13

ben1982 says...

afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!!
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!! The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract. ben1982
  • Score: 13

4:23pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Afcbpete says...

The Liberal wrote:
Afcbpete wrote:
Did I use the word polluting?? No I thought not. Did I say I don't want other religions?? No, I thought not. Just twist something around to suite your argument. why don't you.Do I have a problem with other religions, people of other ethnic origins within reason?? No I don't, but do I want to see Minarets and Gold Domes?? NO I DON'T!!
So it's okay for others to follow their own religion, just so long as they check it's okay with you first? Wow.
Dear me, such a shame our education system has let you down so badly that you can't read, never mind, it will improve with age I'm sure, now run along....
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: Did I use the word polluting?? No I thought not. Did I say I don't want other religions?? No, I thought not. Just twist something around to suite your argument. why don't you.Do I have a problem with other religions, people of other ethnic origins within reason?? No I don't, but do I want to see Minarets and Gold Domes?? NO I DON'T!![/p][/quote]So it's okay for others to follow their own religion, just so long as they check it's okay with you first? Wow.[/p][/quote]Dear me, such a shame our education system has let you down so badly that you can't read, never mind, it will improve with age I'm sure, now run along.... Afcbpete
  • Score: -17

4:46pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Pants88 says...

I'm sick of the echo leaving comments open for stories like this, just gives the bigots and yes you ARE BIGOTS the platform to spout horrible xenophobic **** because they don't like foreigners, it's worse in Bournemouth as our average age is higher so the antiquated views of old still haven't been flushed out to where they belong

go on hit the down vote button, you're going to anyway.
I'm sick of the echo leaving comments open for stories like this, just gives the bigots and yes you ARE BIGOTS the platform to spout horrible xenophobic **** because they don't like foreigners, it's worse in Bournemouth as our average age is higher so the antiquated views of old still haven't been flushed out to where they belong go on hit the down vote button, you're going to anyway. Pants88
  • Score: -6

5:48pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Afcbpete says...

Pants88 wrote:
I'm sick of the echo leaving comments open for stories like this, just gives the bigots and yes you ARE BIGOTS the platform to spout horrible xenophobic **** because they don't like foreigners, it's worse in Bournemouth as our average age is higher so the antiquated views of old still haven't been flushed out to where they belong

go on hit the down vote button, you're going to anyway.
It seems from reading your post you also require extra reading lessons, I don't believe many, if any of us are anti foreigners, what we ARE, is Pro England. We just want to retain England for our children and grandchildren as best as possible. For my part, you can call me all the names you like, it doesn't make any difference to MY views, what it does do though, is just makes you look stupid by showing yourself up, because the main basis of your argument is name calling. I don't believe my views to be antiquated, there are many younger, much younger than me that feel the same. Immigration HAS got out of hand, and something has to be done to change things. That has nothing to do with disliking foreigners, it has nothing to do about being a bigot if that's what you wish to call me, it has far more to do with common sense, and frankly if you don't like living in the sort of England as most of us would like to see it, go and live in Romania or Poland :)
[quote][p][bold]Pants88[/bold] wrote: I'm sick of the echo leaving comments open for stories like this, just gives the bigots and yes you ARE BIGOTS the platform to spout horrible xenophobic **** because they don't like foreigners, it's worse in Bournemouth as our average age is higher so the antiquated views of old still haven't been flushed out to where they belong go on hit the down vote button, you're going to anyway.[/p][/quote]It seems from reading your post you also require extra reading lessons, I don't believe many, if any of us are anti foreigners, what we ARE, is Pro England. We just want to retain England for our children and grandchildren as best as possible. For my part, you can call me all the names you like, it doesn't make any difference to MY views, what it does do though, is just makes you look stupid by showing yourself up, because the main basis of your argument is name calling. I don't believe my views to be antiquated, there are many younger, much younger than me that feel the same. Immigration HAS got out of hand, and something has to be done to change things. That has nothing to do with disliking foreigners, it has nothing to do about being a bigot if that's what you wish to call me, it has far more to do with common sense, and frankly if you don't like living in the sort of England as most of us would like to see it, go and live in Romania or Poland :) Afcbpete
  • Score: -18

6:35pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Mr G_SCS says...

Mr G_SCS wrote:
You can only invite so many people to have a piece of birthday cake!!
We can't afford to!!
[quote][p][bold]Mr G_SCS[/bold] wrote: You can only invite so many people to have a piece of birthday cake!![/p][/quote]We can't afford to!! Mr G_SCS
  • Score: 0

7:18pm Tue 15 Oct 13

afcb-mark says...

ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!!
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.
[quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!! The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.[/p][/quote]Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned. afcb-mark
  • Score: -11

8:23pm Tue 15 Oct 13

ben1982 says...

afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!!
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.
Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!! The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.[/p][/quote]Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.[/p][/quote]Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell. ben1982
  • Score: 15

8:48pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Afcbpete says...

ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!!
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.
Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.
Dear oh dear Ben, you ARE making yourself look stupid. NO ONE is saying we don't like foreigners, nor are we saying they can't have the religion of choice, and let's face, it we all differ over politics. So instead of TRYING to be big and clever, do yourself a favour and please just get your facts straight :)
[quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!! The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.[/p][/quote]Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.[/p][/quote]Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.[/p][/quote]Dear oh dear Ben, you ARE making yourself look stupid. NO ONE is saying we don't like foreigners, nor are we saying they can't have the religion of choice, and let's face, it we all differ over politics. So instead of TRYING to be big and clever, do yourself a favour and please just get your facts straight :) Afcbpete
  • Score: -24

9:39pm Tue 15 Oct 13

rba says...

Afcbpete wrote:
Pants88 wrote:
I'm sick of the echo leaving comments open for stories like this, just gives the bigots and yes you ARE BIGOTS the platform to spout horrible xenophobic **** because they don't like foreigners, it's worse in Bournemouth as our average age is higher so the antiquated views of old still haven't been flushed out to where they belong

go on hit the down vote button, you're going to anyway.
It seems from reading your post you also require extra reading lessons, I don't believe many, if any of us are anti foreigners, what we ARE, is Pro England. We just want to retain England for our children and grandchildren as best as possible. For my part, you can call me all the names you like, it doesn't make any difference to MY views, what it does do though, is just makes you look stupid by showing yourself up, because the main basis of your argument is name calling. I don't believe my views to be antiquated, there are many younger, much younger than me that feel the same. Immigration HAS got out of hand, and something has to be done to change things. That has nothing to do with disliking foreigners, it has nothing to do about being a bigot if that's what you wish to call me, it has far more to do with common sense, and frankly if you don't like living in the sort of England as most of us would like to see it, go and live in Romania or Poland :)
Afcpete, that is absolutely spot on
[quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pants88[/bold] wrote: I'm sick of the echo leaving comments open for stories like this, just gives the bigots and yes you ARE BIGOTS the platform to spout horrible xenophobic **** because they don't like foreigners, it's worse in Bournemouth as our average age is higher so the antiquated views of old still haven't been flushed out to where they belong go on hit the down vote button, you're going to anyway.[/p][/quote]It seems from reading your post you also require extra reading lessons, I don't believe many, if any of us are anti foreigners, what we ARE, is Pro England. We just want to retain England for our children and grandchildren as best as possible. For my part, you can call me all the names you like, it doesn't make any difference to MY views, what it does do though, is just makes you look stupid by showing yourself up, because the main basis of your argument is name calling. I don't believe my views to be antiquated, there are many younger, much younger than me that feel the same. Immigration HAS got out of hand, and something has to be done to change things. That has nothing to do with disliking foreigners, it has nothing to do about being a bigot if that's what you wish to call me, it has far more to do with common sense, and frankly if you don't like living in the sort of England as most of us would like to see it, go and live in Romania or Poland :)[/p][/quote]Afcpete, that is absolutely spot on rba
  • Score: -20

10:25pm Tue 15 Oct 13

ben1982 says...

Afcbpete wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!!
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.
Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.
Dear oh dear Ben, you ARE making yourself look stupid. NO ONE is saying we don't like foreigners, nor are we saying they can't have the religion of choice, and let's face, it we all differ over politics. So instead of TRYING to be big and clever, do yourself a favour and please just get your facts straight :)
"It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid." There are all kinds of stupid people that annoy me but what annoys me most is a lazy argument like yours.
[quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!! The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.[/p][/quote]Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.[/p][/quote]Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.[/p][/quote]Dear oh dear Ben, you ARE making yourself look stupid. NO ONE is saying we don't like foreigners, nor are we saying they can't have the religion of choice, and let's face, it we all differ over politics. So instead of TRYING to be big and clever, do yourself a favour and please just get your facts straight :)[/p][/quote]"It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid." There are all kinds of stupid people that annoy me but what annoys me most is a lazy argument like yours. ben1982
  • Score: 21

10:49pm Tue 15 Oct 13

afcb-mark says...

ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!!
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.
Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.
One definition of a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. As you are so intolerant of people on here who's view differs from yours I would say that actually, that makes you the bigot . Grow up Ben and when you do and you have your own children who are denied a place in their local school or your relatives health suffers due to the increased lengthy waiting lists and lack of beds in hospitals put your sensible head back on (if you have one) and you will realise why that has happened. But hey let's invite the whole world onto this small island of ours and sod the consequences.
[quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!! The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.[/p][/quote]Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.[/p][/quote]Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.[/p][/quote]One definition of a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. As you are so intolerant of people on here who's view differs from yours I would say that actually, that makes you the bigot . Grow up Ben and when you do and you have your own children who are denied a place in their local school or your relatives health suffers due to the increased lengthy waiting lists and lack of beds in hospitals put your sensible head back on (if you have one) and you will realise why that has happened. But hey let's invite the whole world onto this small island of ours and sod the consequences. afcb-mark
  • Score: -32

11:02pm Tue 15 Oct 13

afcb-mark says...

afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!!
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.
Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.
One definition of a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. As you are so intolerant of people on here who's view differs from yours I would say that actually, that makes you the bigot . Grow up Ben and when you do and you have your own children who are denied a place in their local school or your relatives health suffers due to the increased lengthy waiting lists and lack of beds in hospitals put your sensible head back on (if you have one) and you will realise why that has happened. But hey let's invite the whole world onto this small island of ours and sod the consequences.
I think you need to get out a bit more Ben instead of sitting on here continually pressing the red arrow. They should have called you Billy instead of Ben...no mates.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!! The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.[/p][/quote]Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.[/p][/quote]Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.[/p][/quote]One definition of a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. As you are so intolerant of people on here who's view differs from yours I would say that actually, that makes you the bigot . Grow up Ben and when you do and you have your own children who are denied a place in their local school or your relatives health suffers due to the increased lengthy waiting lists and lack of beds in hospitals put your sensible head back on (if you have one) and you will realise why that has happened. But hey let's invite the whole world onto this small island of ours and sod the consequences.[/p][/quote]I think you need to get out a bit more Ben instead of sitting on here continually pressing the red arrow. They should have called you Billy instead of Ben...no mates. afcb-mark
  • Score: -38

11:19pm Tue 15 Oct 13

ben1982 says...

afcb-mark wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!!
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.
Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.
One definition of a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. As you are so intolerant of people on here who's view differs from yours I would say that actually, that makes you the bigot . Grow up Ben and when you do and you have your own children who are denied a place in their local school or your relatives health suffers due to the increased lengthy waiting lists and lack of beds in hospitals put your sensible head back on (if you have one) and you will realise why that has happened. But hey let's invite the whole world onto this small island of ours and sod the consequences.
I think you need to get out a bit more Ben instead of sitting on here continually pressing the red arrow. They should have called you Billy instead of Ben...no mates.
The bigot's. The one thing they hate is when you call them racist. The other thing they hate is black people. But they won't say it. I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.
Any concept of one person being superior to another can lead to racism.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!! The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.[/p][/quote]Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.[/p][/quote]Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.[/p][/quote]One definition of a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. As you are so intolerant of people on here who's view differs from yours I would say that actually, that makes you the bigot . Grow up Ben and when you do and you have your own children who are denied a place in their local school or your relatives health suffers due to the increased lengthy waiting lists and lack of beds in hospitals put your sensible head back on (if you have one) and you will realise why that has happened. But hey let's invite the whole world onto this small island of ours and sod the consequences.[/p][/quote]I think you need to get out a bit more Ben instead of sitting on here continually pressing the red arrow. They should have called you Billy instead of Ben...no mates.[/p][/quote]The bigot's. The one thing they hate is when you call them racist. The other thing they hate is black people. But they won't say it. I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said. Any concept of one person being superior to another can lead to racism. ben1982
  • Score: 33

10:26am Wed 16 Oct 13

Afcbpete says...

ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.
If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!!
The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.
Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.
One definition of a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. As you are so intolerant of people on here who's view differs from yours I would say that actually, that makes you the bigot . Grow up Ben and when you do and you have your own children who are denied a place in their local school or your relatives health suffers due to the increased lengthy waiting lists and lack of beds in hospitals put your sensible head back on (if you have one) and you will realise why that has happened. But hey let's invite the whole world onto this small island of ours and sod the consequences.
I think you need to get out a bit more Ben instead of sitting on here continually pressing the red arrow. They should have called you Billy instead of Ben...no mates.
The bigot's. The one thing they hate is when you call them racist. The other thing they hate is black people. But they won't say it. I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.
Any concept of one person being superior to another can lead to racism.
There you go again, stupid comments from a really ignorant person. All you can do is throw accusations and not a scrap of truth, because no one has said anything that you accuse us of.
[quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I bet the number is far higher than quoted, you only need a pair of eyes to see that. Our borders need closing completely and those who do not work or are here illegally need deporting without any questions asked. Our country has changed beyond recognition, our way of life and our traditions are diminishing by the day and our services are stretched to breaking point.If we have a view on that we are classed as racist bigots. I am entitled to an opinion and to free speech. If I get 1000 red arrows for my views so be it...it won't change those views.[/p][/quote]If I get a 1000 red arrows sorry this is the echo not the daily mail and, yes you are a bigot!!!! The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.[/p][/quote]Which comic did you read that in? My views don't make me a bigot...they make me a realist. The country can't cope with this mass immigration and the sooner you wake up to that fact the better for all concerned.[/p][/quote]Definition One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ are bigots. I would like to give you a bit of advice When your IQ rises to 28, sell.[/p][/quote]One definition of a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. As you are so intolerant of people on here who's view differs from yours I would say that actually, that makes you the bigot . Grow up Ben and when you do and you have your own children who are denied a place in their local school or your relatives health suffers due to the increased lengthy waiting lists and lack of beds in hospitals put your sensible head back on (if you have one) and you will realise why that has happened. But hey let's invite the whole world onto this small island of ours and sod the consequences.[/p][/quote]I think you need to get out a bit more Ben instead of sitting on here continually pressing the red arrow. They should have called you Billy instead of Ben...no mates.[/p][/quote]The bigot's. The one thing they hate is when you call them racist. The other thing they hate is black people. But they won't say it. I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said. Any concept of one person being superior to another can lead to racism.[/p][/quote]There you go again, stupid comments from a really ignorant person. All you can do is throw accusations and not a scrap of truth, because no one has said anything that you accuse us of. Afcbpete
  • Score: -47

12:49pm Wed 16 Oct 13

ben1982 says...

(Psychology) hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture
xenophobic I think by judging by your comments yes that's you!!!
perhaps, you should be more afraid of someone exactly like you !!!
Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn like yourself and why not try learning the cultures and lifestyles of others, but also you would be improving your own self-awareness.
(Psychology) hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture xenophobic I think by judging by your comments yes that's you!!! perhaps, you should be more afraid of someone exactly like you !!! Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn like yourself and why not try learning the cultures and lifestyles of others, but also you would be improving your own self-awareness. ben1982
  • Score: 17

1:40pm Wed 16 Oct 13

Afcbpete says...

ben1982 wrote:
(Psychology) hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture
xenophobic I think by judging by your comments yes that's you!!!
perhaps, you should be more afraid of someone exactly like you !!!
Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn like yourself and why not try learning the cultures and lifestyles of others, but also you would be improving your own self-awareness.
I'm fortunate enough to of seen plenty of different cultures and lifestyles, and you're right it's very rewarding. I enjoy travelling the world to see them thanks. So do you want to continue making a clown out of yourself ??? Please, continue, you're doing a good job :)
[quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: (Psychology) hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture xenophobic I think by judging by your comments yes that's you!!! perhaps, you should be more afraid of someone exactly like you !!! Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn like yourself and why not try learning the cultures and lifestyles of others, but also you would be improving your own self-awareness.[/p][/quote]I'm fortunate enough to of seen plenty of different cultures and lifestyles, and you're right it's very rewarding. I enjoy travelling the world to see them thanks. So do you want to continue making a clown out of yourself ??? Please, continue, you're doing a good job :) Afcbpete
  • Score: -19

2:05pm Wed 16 Oct 13

ben1982 says...

Afcbpete wrote:
ben1982 wrote:
(Psychology) hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture
xenophobic I think by judging by your comments yes that's you!!!
perhaps, you should be more afraid of someone exactly like you !!!
Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn like yourself and why not try learning the cultures and lifestyles of others, but also you would be improving your own self-awareness.
I'm fortunate enough to of seen plenty of different cultures and lifestyles, and you're right it's very rewarding. I enjoy travelling the world to see them thanks. So do you want to continue making a clown out of yourself ??? Please, continue, you're doing a good job :)
I never knew whether to pity or congratulate a man on coming to his senses good for you!! on seeing plenty of different cultures and lifestyles, and you're right it's very rewarding. I suspect any worries about Immigration may be unnecessary on your part. Immigration has always happened.Remember, remember always, that all of us, and you and I especially, are descended from immigrants and revolutionists.
[quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ben1982[/bold] wrote: (Psychology) hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture xenophobic I think by judging by your comments yes that's you!!! perhaps, you should be more afraid of someone exactly like you !!! Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn like yourself and why not try learning the cultures and lifestyles of others, but also you would be improving your own self-awareness.[/p][/quote]I'm fortunate enough to of seen plenty of different cultures and lifestyles, and you're right it's very rewarding. I enjoy travelling the world to see them thanks. So do you want to continue making a clown out of yourself ??? Please, continue, you're doing a good job :)[/p][/quote]I never knew whether to pity or congratulate a man on coming to his senses good for you!! on seeing plenty of different cultures and lifestyles, and you're right it's very rewarding. I suspect any worries about Immigration may be unnecessary on your part. Immigration has always happened.Remember, remember always, that all of us, and you and I especially, are descended from immigrants and revolutionists. ben1982
  • Score: 14

2:08pm Wed 16 Oct 13

lilacfloyd says...

ben1982, Afcbpete can you stop now?
It's like watching two children bickering. It's getting boring now.
ben1982, Afcbpete can you stop now? It's like watching two children bickering. It's getting boring now. lilacfloyd
  • Score: 16

8:00am Thu 17 Oct 13

we-shall-see says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits.
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I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.
Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint!
I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits.
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My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand.
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Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century.
My sister works as a care assistant in a nursing home where she is just one of THREE out of 15 staff who are British born and I can tell you that from her experience and from what her manager has often said - many immigrants are given jobs because people are afraid to turn them away incase they get accused of being racist, so the fact that our native population is now on benefits, does not necessarily mean that it is from choice ........
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: I suspect that the increase is down to the draw of jobs in the hospitality and care sectors, jobs which local UK born people think are beneath them or so low paid that they are better off on benefits. . I'd rather welcome non UK born immigrants to Bournemouth who are prepared to work for a living and contribute to the local economy than some of the UK born people who move to certain areas of Bournemouth, simply to exist on benefits and drag the town down.[/p][/quote]Figures show 660,000 immigrants do not work and claim benefits so not quite the one sided picture you are trying to paint![/p][/quote]I’m not painting a one sided picture just trying to bring some balance to the xenophobic views which dominate this column. Go into any hotel or nursing home in Bournemouth and a good proportion of the staff will be non UK born. Yet go down to the job centre and there will be dozens of UK born people who are capable of doing these jobs but would rather sign on and get benefits. . My comment also states that I welcome immigrants who are prepared to work hard and contribute. It makes no difference if your’re from Liverpool or Lithuania you should not be able to make living off welfare benefits a lifestyle choice. The government for all its other failings is finally trying to reduce the number of immigrants who come to the UK simply to abuse our benefits system, a situation the last Labour government let get out of hand. . Final thought - I'm sure if a lot of those making thinly veiled racist comments look back through their own family trees it is highly likely that they will find "foreign blood". My own family can trace its roots back to French Huguenots who fled to UK from France in the 17th Century.[/p][/quote]My sister works as a care assistant in a nursing home where she is just one of THREE out of 15 staff who are British born and I can tell you that from her experience and from what her manager has often said - many immigrants are given jobs because people are afraid to turn them away incase they get accused of being racist, so the fact that our native population is now on benefits, does not necessarily mean that it is from choice ........ we-shall-see
  • Score: 3

4:40pm Thu 17 Oct 13

cromwell9 says...

The Imigrints are here to stay.
So we will all have to live together ,like one big happy family.
Mind you we wont have any countryside to visit ,because it will all be full of lovely little houses,
Then again we can all go down to the beach and have barby
Not to bad then..
The Imigrints are here to stay. So we will all have to live together ,like one big happy family. Mind you we wont have any countryside to visit ,because it will all be full of lovely little houses, Then again we can all go down to the beach and have barby Not to bad then.. cromwell9
  • Score: 0

4:35pm Fri 18 Oct 13

O'Reilly says...

Megamace wrote:
VOTE UKIP!! Atleast they have the balls to close the door on Europe!

Never and I repeat NEVER vote for the 3 main parties (con, lab, lib) again!!
Just look at the mess they have left this country in!

Boscombe should be twinned with Poland, because thats the only language you can hear when walking through there!

If you have good qualifications then I recommend you move abroad because this country is over and ruined!! :(
I think Boscombe is twinned with Bellend Province (Afghanistan).....
[quote][p][bold]Megamace[/bold] wrote: VOTE UKIP!! Atleast they have the balls to close the door on Europe! Never and I repeat NEVER vote for the 3 main parties (con, lab, lib) again!! Just look at the mess they have left this country in! Boscombe should be twinned with Poland, because thats the only language you can hear when walking through there! If you have good qualifications then I recommend you move abroad because this country is over and ruined!! :([/p][/quote]I think Boscombe is twinned with Bellend Province (Afghanistan)..... O'Reilly
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Fri 18 Oct 13

O'Reilly says...

brentmeister wrote:
brentmeister wrote:
This is a disgrace!! These parasites have no business in the UK. No one voted for free movement of labour with Spain or Eastern Europe. Conor Burns MP is also a disgrace for demonising British workers on the Sunday politics show. These Lib/Lab/Con politicians are traitors.
Correction: Conor Burns MP for Bournemouth West said on Radio 4's Westminster hour that 'on a sunny day British workers wouldn't turn up for work unlike hard working migrants'. Another good reason not to vote Tory at the next election. The man is a bigot and a racist.
Ha ,bl**dy, ha.......then Conor Burns has obviously not paid a visit to Boscombe beach during our recent spell of hot weather. i didn't hear many English voices......
[quote][p][bold]brentmeister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brentmeister[/bold] wrote: This is a disgrace!! These parasites have no business in the UK. No one voted for free movement of labour with Spain or Eastern Europe. Conor Burns MP is also a disgrace for demonising British workers on the Sunday politics show. These Lib/Lab/Con politicians are traitors.[/p][/quote]Correction: Conor Burns MP for Bournemouth West said on Radio 4's Westminster hour that 'on a sunny day British workers wouldn't turn up for work unlike hard working migrants'. Another good reason not to vote Tory at the next election. The man is a bigot and a racist.[/p][/quote]Ha ,bl**dy, ha.......then Conor Burns has obviously not paid a visit to Boscombe beach during our recent spell of hot weather. i didn't hear many English voices...... O'Reilly
  • Score: -2

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