Police continue hunt for hit and run driver

Bournemouth Echo: Cyclist injured in Cooper Dean flyover crash Cyclist injured in Cooper Dean flyover crash

POLICE are still hunting a hit and run driver involved in a collision which left a cyclist seriously injured.

A female cyclist was seriously injured on the road's busy Cooper Dean flyover on Saturday.

The northbound carriageway of the Wessex Way was closed and traffic diverted while the 36-year-old casualty was treated and police investigators examined the scene.

A Dorset police spokeswoman said the driver of the vehicle involved had failed to stop after the cyclist was knocked off her bike at around 7.45 am.

The injured woman is being treated at Southampton hospital for serious injuries and police are appealing for witnesses.

They are urging the driver of the vehicle, which will have a damaged headlight, to contact them.

Police returned to the scene to continue their investigation early on Sunday morning.

 

 

Comments (68)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

9:26am Sat 27 Apr 13

rorusmaximus says...

Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.
Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal. rorusmaximus
  • Score: 0

9:35am Sat 27 Apr 13

B0Un3M0uTh says...

It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc.

I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care.

The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous.

Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention.

All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse!

P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?
It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc. I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care. The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous. Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention. All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse! P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!? B0Un3M0uTh
  • Score: 0

9:56am Sat 27 Apr 13

Rikaroony says...

Cyclist vs Drivers .....

ROUND ONE.

DING, DING.

Some driver are completely useless drivers, some cyclists are useless at riding safely.
THAT'S LIFE DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE.
Cyclist vs Drivers ..... ROUND ONE. DING, DING. Some driver are completely useless drivers, some cyclists are useless at riding safely. THAT'S LIFE DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE. Rikaroony
  • Score: 0

10:16am Sat 27 Apr 13

MandinVerwood says...

rorusmaximus wrote:
Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.
no,no, & no.

Why?
[quote][p][bold]rorusmaximus[/bold] wrote: Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.[/p][/quote]no,no, & no. Why? MandinVerwood
  • Score: 0

10:17am Sat 27 Apr 13

MandinVerwood says...

Cyclists this, cyclists that... Blah Blah Blah.
Cyclists this, cyclists that... Blah Blah Blah. MandinVerwood
  • Score: 0

10:23am Sat 27 Apr 13

Cookie Jar says...

B0Un3M0uTh wrote:
It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc.

I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care.

The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous.

Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention.

All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse!

P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?
B0Un3M0uTh I find your comments extremely presumptuous and offensive to myself and other road users!
I too cycle, drive and hold different licenses - it doesn't make me any different to anyone else other than having a bit more training and having had to take more tests!

I was involved in a collision with a cyclist a few years back. And NO I was not at fault and YES I was concentrating!

It was late at night, stormy, rainy, pitch black. The first thing I knew of the cyclist was when he was riding my bonnet instead of his bike!

= no lights, no helmet, dressed in black, no hi vis jacket, no reflectors.... The list is endless.... Luckily for him (and me) he was not injured!!! He got straight up and apologised for not having any of the above!

It shook me up no end!
Stop presuming before the facts are made clear! EVERYONE should have road sense. Not just bikers and car drivers but pedestrians too!!
[quote][p][bold]B0Un3M0uTh[/bold] wrote: It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc. I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care. The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous. Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention. All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse! P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?[/p][/quote]B0Un3M0uTh I find your comments extremely presumptuous and offensive to myself and other road users! I too cycle, drive and hold different licenses - it doesn't make me any different to anyone else other than having a bit more training and having had to take more tests! I was involved in a collision with a cyclist a few years back. And NO I was not at fault and YES I was concentrating! It was late at night, stormy, rainy, pitch black. The first thing I knew of the cyclist was when he was riding my bonnet instead of his bike! = no lights, no helmet, dressed in black, no hi vis jacket, no reflectors.... The list is endless.... Luckily for him (and me) he was not injured!!! He got straight up and apologised for not having any of the above! It shook me up no end! Stop presuming before the facts are made clear! EVERYONE should have road sense. Not just bikers and car drivers but pedestrians too!! Cookie Jar
  • Score: 0

10:24am Sat 27 Apr 13

Lord Spring says...

rorusmaximus wrote:
Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.
So you have never seen the Sunday morning time trials.
.
There was quite a breeze this morning and one is exposed to it in an elevated position
[quote][p][bold]rorusmaximus[/bold] wrote: Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.[/p][/quote]So you have never seen the Sunday morning time trials. . There was quite a breeze this morning and one is exposed to it in an elevated position Lord Spring
  • Score: 0

11:02am Sat 27 Apr 13

ohnonothimagen says...

rorusmaximus wrote:
Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.
inadvisable but not illegal
[quote][p][bold]rorusmaximus[/bold] wrote: Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.[/p][/quote]inadvisable but not illegal ohnonothimagen
  • Score: 0

11:21am Sat 27 Apr 13

Jim_Springbourne says...

Certainly not illegal, but anyone attempting it must have a death wish. Not the flyover itself necessarily, but those slip roads.
Certainly not illegal, but anyone attempting it must have a death wish. Not the flyover itself necessarily, but those slip roads. Jim_Springbourne
  • Score: 0

11:25am Sat 27 Apr 13

tricky1007 says...

Cookie Jar wrote:
B0Un3M0uTh wrote:
It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc.

I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care.

The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous.

Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention.

All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse!

P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?
B0Un3M0uTh I find your comments extremely presumptuous and offensive to myself and other road users!
I too cycle, drive and hold different licenses - it doesn't make me any different to anyone else other than having a bit more training and having had to take more tests!

I was involved in a collision with a cyclist a few years back. And NO I was not at fault and YES I was concentrating!

It was late at night, stormy, rainy, pitch black. The first thing I knew of the cyclist was when he was riding my bonnet instead of his bike!

= no lights, no helmet, dressed in black, no hi vis jacket, no reflectors.... The list is endless.... Luckily for him (and me) he was not injured!!! He got straight up and apologised for not having any of the above!

It shook me up no end!
Stop presuming before the facts are made clear! EVERYONE should have road sense. Not just bikers and car drivers but pedestrians too!!
Maybe cyclists who do this should get 12 months in prison as well, and any of them without hi viz should get 3 months as they are hard to see on the road!! (obviously i am being silly) one thing that should happen is all bikes should have an mot to declare them road worthy same as a car, all bikes should be insured, and all riders should have to pass a test, If you want to share the road with cars, you should have the same level of training, then you can get on your high horse about car drivers
[quote][p][bold]Cookie Jar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B0Un3M0uTh[/bold] wrote: It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc. I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care. The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous. Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention. All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse! P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?[/p][/quote]B0Un3M0uTh I find your comments extremely presumptuous and offensive to myself and other road users! I too cycle, drive and hold different licenses - it doesn't make me any different to anyone else other than having a bit more training and having had to take more tests! I was involved in a collision with a cyclist a few years back. And NO I was not at fault and YES I was concentrating! It was late at night, stormy, rainy, pitch black. The first thing I knew of the cyclist was when he was riding my bonnet instead of his bike! = no lights, no helmet, dressed in black, no hi vis jacket, no reflectors.... The list is endless.... Luckily for him (and me) he was not injured!!! He got straight up and apologised for not having any of the above! It shook me up no end! Stop presuming before the facts are made clear! EVERYONE should have road sense. Not just bikers and car drivers but pedestrians too!![/p][/quote]Maybe cyclists who do this should get 12 months in prison as well, and any of them without hi viz should get 3 months as they are hard to see on the road!! (obviously i am being silly) one thing that should happen is all bikes should have an mot to declare them road worthy same as a car, all bikes should be insured, and all riders should have to pass a test, If you want to share the road with cars, you should have the same level of training, then you can get on your high horse about car drivers tricky1007
  • Score: 0

11:25am Sat 27 Apr 13

cyco44 says...

rorusmaximus wrote:
Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.
Cycling on a dual carriageway is not illegal, bicycles are legally permitted to use all public roads except motorways. This incident happened at 7.49 on a Saturday morning when traffic levels are much lower. I often cycle along dual carriageways and on the whole feel much safer on them because they are normally much wider and straighter and motorists generally see you and can react far earlier than they would on a narrow winding single lane road.
[quote][p][bold]rorusmaximus[/bold] wrote: Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.[/p][/quote]Cycling on a dual carriageway is not illegal, bicycles are legally permitted to use all public roads except motorways. This incident happened at 7.49 on a Saturday morning when traffic levels are much lower. I often cycle along dual carriageways and on the whole feel much safer on them because they are normally much wider and straighter and motorists generally see you and can react far earlier than they would on a narrow winding single lane road. cyco44
  • Score: 0

11:25am Sat 27 Apr 13

Chris the plumber says...

in most of Europe the car driver is at fault unless she or he can prove other wise !!! a few countries have opted out of this including the UK and Romania.
The law will be adopted in Scotland first then England and wales will follow giving drivers something to think about when overtaking a cyclist. or pulling out of junctions.
More Power To Your Pedels !!
in most of Europe the car driver is at fault unless she or he can prove other wise !!! a few countries have opted out of this including the UK and Romania. The law will be adopted in Scotland first then England and wales will follow giving drivers something to think about when overtaking a cyclist. or pulling out of junctions. More Power To Your Pedels !! Chris the plumber
  • Score: 0

11:35am Sat 27 Apr 13

Cherry19 says...

What on earth is happening on our roads lately! Every time I see the news there is another serious accident and often seems to be due other drivers driving dangerously or carelessly ...and this is the second incident where the driver has just driven off - what kind of person does this?! This time, I hope the Police release all the details they know about the driver so we can keep an eye out for their car, unlike the delay with poor Jade Clark's accident.

We need the Police to have more of a presence on the roads, patrolling, instead of relying on speed cameras to catch speeders - we need positive action by the Police to intercept these dangerous, reckless drivers who we all see on the roads every day.

Best wishes to the injured cyclist.
What on earth is happening on our roads lately! Every time I see the news there is another serious accident and often seems to be due other drivers driving dangerously or carelessly ...and this is the second incident where the driver has just driven off - what kind of person does this?! This time, I hope the Police release all the details they know about the driver so we can keep an eye out for their car, unlike the delay with poor Jade Clark's accident. We need the Police to have more of a presence on the roads, patrolling, instead of relying on speed cameras to catch speeders - we need positive action by the Police to intercept these dangerous, reckless drivers who we all see on the roads every day. Best wishes to the injured cyclist. Cherry19
  • Score: 0

11:35am Sat 27 Apr 13

cyco44 says...

Jim_Springbourne wrote:
Certainly not illegal, but anyone attempting it must have a death wish. Not the flyover itself necessarily, but those slip roads.
If you notice on the Wessex Way and a lot of other dual carriageways there are special markings on the slip roads especially for cyclist to help negotiate them more safely, where the cyclist has to wait until it is safe to proceed.
[quote][p][bold]Jim_Springbourne[/bold] wrote: Certainly not illegal, but anyone attempting it must have a death wish. Not the flyover itself necessarily, but those slip roads.[/p][/quote]If you notice on the Wessex Way and a lot of other dual carriageways there are special markings on the slip roads especially for cyclist to help negotiate them more safely, where the cyclist has to wait until it is safe to proceed. cyco44
  • Score: 0

11:38am Sat 27 Apr 13

rorusmaximus says...

I stand corrected. It's just unadvisable, very dangerous and probably halves your life expectancy.
I stand corrected. It's just unadvisable, very dangerous and probably halves your life expectancy. rorusmaximus
  • Score: 0

11:56am Sat 27 Apr 13

live-and-let-live says...

come on now people. if there isnt a sign saying "CYCLIST AHEAD" how can todays drivers possibly know of a pending hazard. lets have more lights more signs, more road markings. we cant have anyone being expected to think for themselves.
i hope the cyclist makes a full and speedy recovery.
come on now people. if there isnt a sign saying "CYCLIST AHEAD" how can todays drivers possibly know of a pending hazard. lets have more lights more signs, more road markings. we cant have anyone being expected to think for themselves. i hope the cyclist makes a full and speedy recovery. live-and-let-live
  • Score: 0

12:13pm Sat 27 Apr 13

cycletourer says...

Would not choose to cycle on this road myself but for people to say it is dangerous to do so is not the case.In theory cycling on this type of road should be safer than around town for many reasons.
All the traffic is heading in the same direction.There are no parked cars to move around which means you are cycling near the center of the road.You do not have to turn right.The road is a good width.Generally long distance visibility is much better.The fact that cars are moving faster than a cycle should not be an issue either.Cars move faster than a cyclist on all roads.
Just a few thoughts and best wishes to the cyclist involved.
Would not choose to cycle on this road myself but for people to say it is dangerous to do so is not the case.In theory cycling on this type of road should be safer than around town for many reasons. All the traffic is heading in the same direction.There are no parked cars to move around which means you are cycling near the center of the road.You do not have to turn right.The road is a good width.Generally long distance visibility is much better.The fact that cars are moving faster than a cycle should not be an issue either.Cars move faster than a cyclist on all roads. Just a few thoughts and best wishes to the cyclist involved. cycletourer
  • Score: 0

12:16pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Tig says...

More to the point, the driver left her lying there and drove off. Amazingly callous....
Still, they caught the driver that mowed down Jade, in Ringwood, and they will catch this one too.
More to the point, the driver left her lying there and drove off. Amazingly callous.... Still, they caught the driver that mowed down Jade, in Ringwood, and they will catch this one too. Tig
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Sat 27 Apr 13

afcb-mark says...

Another hit and run, fancy leaving her lying there seriously injured. This 36 year old woman in Southampton hospital so most likely with serious head injuries so stop the arguing about whether bikes should be on this road or not and give a thought to this poor woman and her family. I hope she makes a good recovery.
Another hit and run, fancy leaving her lying there seriously injured. This 36 year old woman in Southampton hospital so most likely with serious head injuries so stop the arguing about whether bikes should be on this road or not and give a thought to this poor woman and her family. I hope she makes a good recovery. afcb-mark
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Sat 27 Apr 13

catfan says...

rorusmaximus wrote:
Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.
I'm not a cyclist (and I certainly do criticise some cycling - particularly as it affects pedestrians) but I totally agree that motorists don't allow space when they are passing cyclists and don't slow down either.
I don't think half of them are aware that the width of a car door is required for overtaking a cyclist.
I also agree if more cyclists wore high-viz jackets or strips on their coats there would be some less accidents.
Particularly at night.
But hit and runs are unforgiveable - I hope this lady recovers.
Personally (whilst I have cycled) don't think I would choose to go on an overpass like Coopers Dean - or anywhere round that section.
[quote][p][bold]rorusmaximus[/bold] wrote: Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.[/p][/quote]I'm not a cyclist (and I certainly do criticise some cycling - particularly as it affects pedestrians) but I totally agree that motorists don't allow space when they are passing cyclists and don't slow down either. I don't think half of them are aware that the width of a car door is required for overtaking a cyclist. I also agree if more cyclists wore high-viz jackets or strips on their coats there would be some less accidents. Particularly at night. But hit and runs are unforgiveable - I hope this lady recovers. Personally (whilst I have cycled) don't think I would choose to go on an overpass like Coopers Dean - or anywhere round that section. catfan
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Sat 27 Apr 13

travelled says...

I think I am more considerate to cyclists than they are to me in my car!! Whilst we are on about the law and cyclists, why are they not insured, so if they scratch my car they pay up?
I think I am more considerate to cyclists than they are to me in my car!! Whilst we are on about the law and cyclists, why are they not insured, so if they scratch my car they pay up? travelled
  • Score: 0

12:38pm Sat 27 Apr 13

stone dweller says...

catfan wrote:
rorusmaximus wrote:
Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.
I'm not a cyclist (and I certainly do criticise some cycling - particularly as it affects pedestrians) but I totally agree that motorists don't allow space when they are passing cyclists and don't slow down either.
I don't think half of them are aware that the width of a car door is required for overtaking a cyclist.
I also agree if more cyclists wore high-viz jackets or strips on their coats there would be some less accidents.
Particularly at night.
But hit and runs are unforgiveable - I hope this lady recovers.
Personally (whilst I have cycled) don't think I would choose to go on an overpass like Coopers Dean - or anywhere round that section.
Why do you keep saying I I I I I I I I I I
its so annoying, let it go .
theres a lady in hospital for goodness sake.
[quote][p][bold]catfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rorusmaximus[/bold] wrote: Surely cycling over the flyover is unadvisable, very dangerous and illegal.[/p][/quote]I'm not a cyclist (and I certainly do criticise some cycling - particularly as it affects pedestrians) but I totally agree that motorists don't allow space when they are passing cyclists and don't slow down either. I don't think half of them are aware that the width of a car door is required for overtaking a cyclist. I also agree if more cyclists wore high-viz jackets or strips on their coats there would be some less accidents. Particularly at night. But hit and runs are unforgiveable - I hope this lady recovers. Personally (whilst I have cycled) don't think I would choose to go on an overpass like Coopers Dean - or anywhere round that section.[/p][/quote]Why do you keep saying I I I I I I I I I I its so annoying, let it go . theres a lady in hospital for goodness sake. stone dweller
  • Score: 0

12:49pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Adrian XX says...

travelled wrote:
I think I am more considerate to cyclists than they are to me in my car!! Whilst we are on about the law and cyclists, why are they not insured, so if they scratch my car they pay up?
I think for obvious practical reasons. Cyclists don't have a registration plate so it is impossible to track uninsured cyclists. Cyclists aren't propelling a ton of metal around so are far less likely to cause injury. Accidents caused by cyclists are rare and on the whole only cause minor damage.

If you are going to insist cyclists are insured, then you may as well insist all pedestrians are insured. On shared pedestrian/cycle paths, it is the cyclists who are paying attention and not the pedestrians. Pedestrians sometimes make sudden moves without thinking, causing cyclists to swerve and possibly causing serious injury.
[quote][p][bold]travelled[/bold] wrote: I think I am more considerate to cyclists than they are to me in my car!! Whilst we are on about the law and cyclists, why are they not insured, so if they scratch my car they pay up?[/p][/quote]I think for obvious practical reasons. Cyclists don't have a registration plate so it is impossible to track uninsured cyclists. Cyclists aren't propelling a ton of metal around so are far less likely to cause injury. Accidents caused by cyclists are rare and on the whole only cause minor damage. If you are going to insist cyclists are insured, then you may as well insist all pedestrians are insured. On shared pedestrian/cycle paths, it is the cyclists who are paying attention and not the pedestrians. Pedestrians sometimes make sudden moves without thinking, causing cyclists to swerve and possibly causing serious injury. Adrian XX
  • Score: 0

12:50pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Adrian XX says...

I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one?
I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one? Adrian XX
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Sat 27 Apr 13

madras says...

Regardless of the rights and wrongs (1) I hope the lady makes a full recovery and (2) cannot understand the mentality of someone driving off and leaving her
Regardless of the rights and wrongs (1) I hope the lady makes a full recovery and (2) cannot understand the mentality of someone driving off and leaving her madras
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Sat 27 Apr 13

High Treason says...

Motorists need to realise that a cyclist can veer of course when going up hills and in windy conditions. I have noticed how much easier to see a cyclist who wears bright clothing, so many wear dull garments that they blend in with the surroundings.
Motorists need to realise that a cyclist can veer of course when going up hills and in windy conditions. I have noticed how much easier to see a cyclist who wears bright clothing, so many wear dull garments that they blend in with the surroundings. High Treason
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Sat 27 Apr 13

bobsworthforever says...

Just seen two lycra louts behaving dangerously approached no right turn road turned right across the flow of traffic then weaved in and out of queing traffic at traffic lights ignored red light and carried on at shopping centre cycled on pavement to put on wet weather gear. As for cycling on a Dual Carriageway terribly dangerous thing to do surely must have some responsibility for their own safety.
Just seen two lycra louts behaving dangerously approached no right turn road turned right across the flow of traffic then weaved in and out of queing traffic at traffic lights ignored red light and carried on at shopping centre cycled on pavement to put on wet weather gear. As for cycling on a Dual Carriageway terribly dangerous thing to do surely must have some responsibility for their own safety. bobsworthforever
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Sat 27 Apr 13

cycletourer says...

Adrian XX wrote:
I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one?
Never used one myself.Generally i find i do not have any issues whilst cycling.I cover a lot of miles (1000 average per month) and i dont think ive ever had cause to feel unsafe.I at best respect other's on the road and find it is returned.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one?[/p][/quote]Never used one myself.Generally i find i do not have any issues whilst cycling.I cover a lot of miles (1000 average per month) and i dont think ive ever had cause to feel unsafe.I at best respect other's on the road and find it is returned. cycletourer
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Lord Spring says...

Unfortunately the ambulance had to pass yards away from this incident and drive all the way to Springbourne and back to get to the scene.
Unfortunately the ambulance had to pass yards away from this incident and drive all the way to Springbourne and back to get to the scene. Lord Spring
  • Score: 0

1:18pm Sat 27 Apr 13

cycopath says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Unfortunately the ambulance had to pass yards away from this incident and drive all the way to Springbourne and back to get to the scene.
The usual inclusion of irrelevant comments ?
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the ambulance had to pass yards away from this incident and drive all the way to Springbourne and back to get to the scene.[/p][/quote]The usual inclusion of irrelevant comments ? cycopath
  • Score: 0

1:19pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Lord Spring says...

cyco44 wrote:
Jim_Springbourne wrote:
Certainly not illegal, but anyone attempting it must have a death wish. Not the flyover itself necessarily, but those slip roads.
If you notice on the Wessex Way and a lot of other dual carriageways there are special markings on the slip roads especially for cyclist to help negotiate them more safely, where the cyclist has to wait until it is safe to proceed.
Those lines were installed after the death of a cyclist many years ago, I believe a former police inspector was the car driver.
[quote][p][bold]cyco44[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim_Springbourne[/bold] wrote: Certainly not illegal, but anyone attempting it must have a death wish. Not the flyover itself necessarily, but those slip roads.[/p][/quote]If you notice on the Wessex Way and a lot of other dual carriageways there are special markings on the slip roads especially for cyclist to help negotiate them more safely, where the cyclist has to wait until it is safe to proceed.[/p][/quote]Those lines were installed after the death of a cyclist many years ago, I believe a former police inspector was the car driver. Lord Spring
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Sat 27 Apr 13

bourne free says...

Tig wrote:
More to the point, the driver left her lying there and drove off. Amazingly callous....
Still, they caught the driver that mowed down Jade, in Ringwood, and they will catch this one too.
How can you just drive off leaving this person laying in the road ?
[quote][p][bold]Tig[/bold] wrote: More to the point, the driver left her lying there and drove off. Amazingly callous.... Still, they caught the driver that mowed down Jade, in Ringwood, and they will catch this one too.[/p][/quote]How can you just drive off leaving this person laying in the road ? bourne free
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Sat 27 Apr 13

beachcomber1 says...

much the same as the cyclist who mowed down a pensioner on the pavement and cycled off (sept 11?) and another cyclist who ran over a 4 year old on the pavement and rode off (nov 11?).

the major difference being the pedestrians were run over on the pavement, where no cyclist should be.
much the same as the cyclist who mowed down a pensioner on the pavement and cycled off (sept 11?) and another cyclist who ran over a 4 year old on the pavement and rode off (nov 11?). the major difference being the pedestrians were run over on the pavement, where no cyclist should be. beachcomber1
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Sat 27 Apr 13

agp1337 says...

Adrian XX wrote:
travelled wrote:
I think I am more considerate to cyclists than they are to me in my car!! Whilst we are on about the law and cyclists, why are they not insured, so if they scratch my car they pay up?
I think for obvious practical reasons. Cyclists don't have a registration plate so it is impossible to track uninsured cyclists. Cyclists aren't propelling a ton of metal around so are far less likely to cause injury. Accidents caused by cyclists are rare and on the whole only cause minor damage.

If you are going to insist cyclists are insured, then you may as well insist all pedestrians are insured. On shared pedestrian/cycle paths, it is the cyclists who are paying attention and not the pedestrians. Pedestrians sometimes make sudden moves without thinking, causing cyclists to swerve and possibly causing serious injury.
Great. Does this also apply to all the cyclists who ride on pavements which don't have cycle paths, even cycling quickly round blind corners?
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]travelled[/bold] wrote: I think I am more considerate to cyclists than they are to me in my car!! Whilst we are on about the law and cyclists, why are they not insured, so if they scratch my car they pay up?[/p][/quote]I think for obvious practical reasons. Cyclists don't have a registration plate so it is impossible to track uninsured cyclists. Cyclists aren't propelling a ton of metal around so are far less likely to cause injury. Accidents caused by cyclists are rare and on the whole only cause minor damage. If you are going to insist cyclists are insured, then you may as well insist all pedestrians are insured. On shared pedestrian/cycle paths, it is the cyclists who are paying attention and not the pedestrians. Pedestrians sometimes make sudden moves without thinking, causing cyclists to swerve and possibly causing serious injury.[/p][/quote]Great. Does this also apply to all the cyclists who ride on pavements which don't have cycle paths, even cycling quickly round blind corners? agp1337
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Sat 27 Apr 13

EGHH says...

Better lower the speed limit to 15 mph!
Better lower the speed limit to 15 mph! EGHH
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Sat 27 Apr 13

ShuttleX says...

tricky1007 wrote:
Cookie Jar wrote:
B0Un3M0uTh wrote:
It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc.

I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care.

The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous.

Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention.

All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse!

P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?
B0Un3M0uTh I find your comments extremely presumptuous and offensive to myself and other road users!
I too cycle, drive and hold different licenses - it doesn't make me any different to anyone else other than having a bit more training and having had to take more tests!

I was involved in a collision with a cyclist a few years back. And NO I was not at fault and YES I was concentrating!

It was late at night, stormy, rainy, pitch black. The first thing I knew of the cyclist was when he was riding my bonnet instead of his bike!

= no lights, no helmet, dressed in black, no hi vis jacket, no reflectors.... The list is endless.... Luckily for him (and me) he was not injured!!! He got straight up and apologised for not having any of the above!

It shook me up no end!
Stop presuming before the facts are made clear! EVERYONE should have road sense. Not just bikers and car drivers but pedestrians too!!
Maybe cyclists who do this should get 12 months in prison as well, and any of them without hi viz should get 3 months as they are hard to see on the road!! (obviously i am being silly) one thing that should happen is all bikes should have an mot to declare them road worthy same as a car, all bikes should be insured, and all riders should have to pass a test, If you want to share the road with cars, you should have the same level of training, then you can get on your high horse about car drivers
B0Un3M0uTh, you wrote ".....The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist"

Would you be so kind as to point me to the actual LAW you refer to? All I can find in the highway code is.."....give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car" Nowhere can I find it is the LAW (which means it would be illegal to break it) to give a cyclist a car width. I'm sure you will be able to set me right.
[quote][p][bold]tricky1007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cookie Jar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B0Un3M0uTh[/bold] wrote: It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc. I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care. The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous. Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention. All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse! P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?[/p][/quote]B0Un3M0uTh I find your comments extremely presumptuous and offensive to myself and other road users! I too cycle, drive and hold different licenses - it doesn't make me any different to anyone else other than having a bit more training and having had to take more tests! I was involved in a collision with a cyclist a few years back. And NO I was not at fault and YES I was concentrating! It was late at night, stormy, rainy, pitch black. The first thing I knew of the cyclist was when he was riding my bonnet instead of his bike! = no lights, no helmet, dressed in black, no hi vis jacket, no reflectors.... The list is endless.... Luckily for him (and me) he was not injured!!! He got straight up and apologised for not having any of the above! It shook me up no end! Stop presuming before the facts are made clear! EVERYONE should have road sense. Not just bikers and car drivers but pedestrians too!![/p][/quote]Maybe cyclists who do this should get 12 months in prison as well, and any of them without hi viz should get 3 months as they are hard to see on the road!! (obviously i am being silly) one thing that should happen is all bikes should have an mot to declare them road worthy same as a car, all bikes should be insured, and all riders should have to pass a test, If you want to share the road with cars, you should have the same level of training, then you can get on your high horse about car drivers[/p][/quote]B0Un3M0uTh, you wrote ".....The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist" Would you be so kind as to point me to the actual LAW you refer to? All I can find in the highway code is.."....give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car" Nowhere can I find it is the LAW (which means it would be illegal to break it) to give a cyclist a car width. I'm sure you will be able to set me right. ShuttleX
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Avengerboy says...

To be honest it's time the Echo stopped comments on articles like this, the very first one being a prime example.
To be honest it's time the Echo stopped comments on articles like this, the very first one being a prime example. Avengerboy
  • Score: 0

5:17pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Avengerboy says...

We can only assume the older you get the more bile you spit?
We can only assume the older you get the more bile you spit? Avengerboy
  • Score: 0

5:35pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Lord Spring says...

cycopath wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
Unfortunately the ambulance had to pass yards away from this incident and drive all the way to Springbourne and back to get to the scene.
The usual inclusion of irrelevant comments ?
Cycopaths are they not odd.
[quote][p][bold]cycopath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the ambulance had to pass yards away from this incident and drive all the way to Springbourne and back to get to the scene.[/p][/quote]The usual inclusion of irrelevant comments ?[/p][/quote]Cycopaths are they not odd. Lord Spring
  • Score: 0

6:26pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Bournemouth2014 says...

Nice to see everyone wishing the poor woman a speedy recovery!
Nice to see everyone wishing the poor woman a speedy recovery! Bournemouth2014
  • Score: 0

6:27pm Sat 27 Apr 13

goatty says...

Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing.
I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning.
Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads
Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing. I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning. Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads goatty
  • Score: 0

6:28pm Sat 27 Apr 13

dizzy17 says...

omg people have to much time on there hands !!!! hope the cyclist recovers well .
omg people have to much time on there hands !!!! hope the cyclist recovers well . dizzy17
  • Score: 0

6:56pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Turtlebay says...

B0Un3M0uTh says... "P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?"

No I haven't and looking at the photograph of the empty road with the Police Car parked in the off side lane, there is no cycle lane!
B0Un3M0uTh says... "P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?" No I haven't and looking at the photograph of the empty road with the Police Car parked in the off side lane, there is no cycle lane! Turtlebay
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Sat 27 Apr 13

FNS-man says...

goatty wrote:
Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing.
I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning.
Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads
Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side.

Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows.

There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote: Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing. I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning. Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads[/p][/quote]Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side. Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows. There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting. FNS-man
  • Score: 0

7:54pm Sat 27 Apr 13

BIGTONE says...

Adrian XX wrote:
I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one?
What's the point of that if you get hit from behind?
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one?[/p][/quote]What's the point of that if you get hit from behind? BIGTONE
  • Score: 0

11:02pm Sat 27 Apr 13

cycletourer says...

ShuttleX wrote:
tricky1007 wrote:
Cookie Jar wrote:
B0Un3M0uTh wrote:
It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc.

I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care.

The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous.

Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention.

All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse!

P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?
B0Un3M0uTh I find your comments extremely presumptuous and offensive to myself and other road users!
I too cycle, drive and hold different licenses - it doesn't make me any different to anyone else other than having a bit more training and having had to take more tests!

I was involved in a collision with a cyclist a few years back. And NO I was not at fault and YES I was concentrating!

It was late at night, stormy, rainy, pitch black. The first thing I knew of the cyclist was when he was riding my bonnet instead of his bike!

= no lights, no helmet, dressed in black, no hi vis jacket, no reflectors.... The list is endless.... Luckily for him (and me) he was not injured!!! He got straight up and apologised for not having any of the above!

It shook me up no end!
Stop presuming before the facts are made clear! EVERYONE should have road sense. Not just bikers and car drivers but pedestrians too!!
Maybe cyclists who do this should get 12 months in prison as well, and any of them without hi viz should get 3 months as they are hard to see on the road!! (obviously i am being silly) one thing that should happen is all bikes should have an mot to declare them road worthy same as a car, all bikes should be insured, and all riders should have to pass a test, If you want to share the road with cars, you should have the same level of training, then you can get on your high horse about car drivers
B0Un3M0uTh, you wrote ".....The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist"

Would you be so kind as to point me to the actual LAW you refer to? All I can find in the highway code is.."....give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car" Nowhere can I find it is the LAW (which means it would be illegal to break it) to give a cyclist a car width. I'm sure you will be able to set me right.
Correct rule 163 states that when overtaking a vunerable road user allow as much room as if you were overtaking a car.The photo used by the highway code as an example shows a car over taking a cyclist with a good cars width between them.Obviously passing a vunerable road user with only inches to spare is a bit silly and would show a lack of driving skill when it comes to judging distance.Im sure of which you can assure us you are not one of these.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tricky1007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cookie Jar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B0Un3M0uTh[/bold] wrote: It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc. I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care. The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous. Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention. All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse! P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?[/p][/quote]B0Un3M0uTh I find your comments extremely presumptuous and offensive to myself and other road users! I too cycle, drive and hold different licenses - it doesn't make me any different to anyone else other than having a bit more training and having had to take more tests! I was involved in a collision with a cyclist a few years back. And NO I was not at fault and YES I was concentrating! It was late at night, stormy, rainy, pitch black. The first thing I knew of the cyclist was when he was riding my bonnet instead of his bike! = no lights, no helmet, dressed in black, no hi vis jacket, no reflectors.... The list is endless.... Luckily for him (and me) he was not injured!!! He got straight up and apologised for not having any of the above! It shook me up no end! Stop presuming before the facts are made clear! EVERYONE should have road sense. Not just bikers and car drivers but pedestrians too!![/p][/quote]Maybe cyclists who do this should get 12 months in prison as well, and any of them without hi viz should get 3 months as they are hard to see on the road!! (obviously i am being silly) one thing that should happen is all bikes should have an mot to declare them road worthy same as a car, all bikes should be insured, and all riders should have to pass a test, If you want to share the road with cars, you should have the same level of training, then you can get on your high horse about car drivers[/p][/quote]B0Un3M0uTh, you wrote ".....The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist" Would you be so kind as to point me to the actual LAW you refer to? All I can find in the highway code is.."....give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car" Nowhere can I find it is the LAW (which means it would be illegal to break it) to give a cyclist a car width. I'm sure you will be able to set me right.[/p][/quote]Correct rule 163 states that when overtaking a vunerable road user allow as much room as if you were overtaking a car.The photo used by the highway code as an example shows a car over taking a cyclist with a good cars width between them.Obviously passing a vunerable road user with only inches to spare is a bit silly and would show a lack of driving skill when it comes to judging distance.Im sure of which you can assure us you are not one of these. cycletourer
  • Score: 0

12:44am Sun 28 Apr 13

JonCris says...

Someone stated that "cyclists have a legal right to ride two abreast" AND "Car drivers are legally required to give one cars width when overtaking cyclists"

Both wrong, & whilst it may be advised by the highway code there are NO laws that state the cyclist can ride two abreast. In fact they can BUT are advised to ride in single file when in traffic or traveling along a busy road. To cause an obstruction on the Queens Highway is an offence and that could include maintaining two abreast whereby reverting to single file allows following traffic to pass safely. Also drivers are expected to allow a 'safe' distance when passing a cyclist. It is not determined by a distance proscribed by law
Someone stated that "cyclists have a legal right to ride two abreast" AND "Car drivers are legally required to give one cars width when overtaking cyclists" Both wrong, & whilst it may be advised by the highway code there are NO laws that state the cyclist can ride two abreast. In fact they can BUT are advised to ride in single file when in traffic or traveling along a busy road. To cause an obstruction on the Queens Highway is an offence and that could include maintaining two abreast whereby reverting to single file allows following traffic to pass safely. Also drivers are expected to allow a 'safe' distance when passing a cyclist. It is not determined by a distance proscribed by law JonCris
  • Score: 0

1:22am Sun 28 Apr 13

FNS-man says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Adrian XX wrote:
I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one?
What's the point of that if you get hit from behind?
It demonstrates that you were hit from behind.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one?[/p][/quote]What's the point of that if you get hit from behind?[/p][/quote]It demonstrates that you were hit from behind. FNS-man
  • Score: 0

9:00am Sun 28 Apr 13

spooki says...

The important thing here is that a woman was injured.
Yes it is also important who did what: if it was someone else's fault, I suppose they could say they didn't realise they'd hit her or the bicycle? But to leave someone injured on a busy road is just terrible.
I hope the lady recovers.
The important thing here is that a woman was injured. Yes it is also important who did what: if it was someone else's fault, I suppose they could say they didn't realise they'd hit her or the bicycle? But to leave someone injured on a busy road is just terrible. I hope the lady recovers. spooki
  • Score: 0

9:12am Sun 28 Apr 13

munchies says...

BIGTONE wrote:
FNS-man wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Adrian XX wrote:
I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one?
What's the point of that if you get hit from behind?
It demonstrates that you were hit from behind.
And who cares how you were hit if you are left for dead in the road. Ohhhh yep.....a helmet cam will sort all of that out.......dickheads.
Nice turn of phrase, helps the comments along.Hope the lady recovers and the driver sees sense
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: I think this is a very good reason to have a helmet camera. Which of the cyclists here actually have one?[/p][/quote]What's the point of that if you get hit from behind?[/p][/quote]It demonstrates that you were hit from behind.[/p][/quote]And who cares how you were hit if you are left for dead in the road. Ohhhh yep.....a helmet cam will sort all of that out.......dickheads.[/p][/quote]Nice turn of phrase, helps the comments along.Hope the lady recovers and the driver sees sense munchies
  • Score: 0

9:46am Sun 28 Apr 13

goatty says...

FNS-man wrote:
goatty wrote:
Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing.
I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning.
Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads
Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side.

Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows.

There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.
What a ridiculous post! So cyclists earn more and are allowed to undertake traffic without any regards to traffic!
You are obviously a Greeny who hates cars and think we all should go back to bikes and horses.
Oh and by the way I shall say what I want and when I want. Its a free country
[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote: Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing. I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning. Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads[/p][/quote]Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side. Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows. There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous post! So cyclists earn more and are allowed to undertake traffic without any regards to traffic! You are obviously a Greeny who hates cars and think we all should go back to bikes and horses. Oh and by the way I shall say what I want and when I want. Its a free country goatty
  • Score: 0

9:50am Sun 28 Apr 13

munchies says...

goatty wrote:
FNS-man wrote:
goatty wrote:
Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing.
I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning.
Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads
Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side.

Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows.

There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.
What a ridiculous post! So cyclists earn more and are allowed to undertake traffic without any regards to traffic!
You are obviously a Greeny who hates cars and think we all should go back to bikes and horses.
Oh and by the way I shall say what I want and when I want. Its a free country
Trouble is Goatty your preious attempts at leaving comments have proved to be untruthful and complete rubbish so although you do have your right to say what you want try a comic an save us the anguish of reading your drivel
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote: Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing. I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning. Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads[/p][/quote]Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side. Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows. There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous post! So cyclists earn more and are allowed to undertake traffic without any regards to traffic! You are obviously a Greeny who hates cars and think we all should go back to bikes and horses. Oh and by the way I shall say what I want and when I want. Its a free country[/p][/quote]Trouble is Goatty your preious attempts at leaving comments have proved to be untruthful and complete rubbish so although you do have your right to say what you want try a comic an save us the anguish of reading your drivel munchies
  • Score: 0

10:05am Sun 28 Apr 13

psbcycle says...

If the the poor cyclist had exited at the slip road, negotiated the correct lane for the roundabout beneath (or used 2 pedestrian crossings), then rejoined the slip road on again, she would have lost about 5 minutes time, and lots of effort/momentum.

If the road planners had half an ounce of common sense/foresight they could perhaps have included a footpath-width track on even one side of the Spur road for walkers and cyclists.

Just what alternative route do you suggest a cyclist takes to reach say Ringwood? This lack of provision/foresight is prevalent across much of the region, which is precisely why some use the seafront to commute.

I cycle on the road except for the short distance along Castle Lane from Cooper Dean flyover to Tesco, which instead necessitates crossing slip lanes no fewer than 11 times in perhaps half a mile! Cars in comparision have to stop/give way just 3 times.

My husband and I are both keen cyclists, but we wouldn't be comfortable with our children cycling this area. Car is King in Dorset.
If the the poor cyclist had exited at the slip road, negotiated the correct lane for the roundabout beneath (or used 2 pedestrian crossings), then rejoined the slip road on again, she would have lost about 5 minutes time, and lots of effort/momentum. If the road planners had half an ounce of common sense/foresight they could perhaps have included a footpath-width track on even one side of the Spur road for walkers and cyclists. Just what alternative route do you suggest a cyclist takes to reach say Ringwood? This lack of provision/foresight is prevalent across much of the region, which is precisely why some use the seafront to commute. I cycle on the road except for the short distance along Castle Lane from Cooper Dean flyover to Tesco, which instead necessitates crossing slip lanes no fewer than 11 times in perhaps half a mile! Cars in comparision have to stop/give way just 3 times. My husband and I are both keen cyclists, but we wouldn't be comfortable with our children cycling this area. Car is King in Dorset. psbcycle
  • Score: 0

11:35am Sun 28 Apr 13

scrumpyjack says...

FNS-man wrote:
goatty wrote:
Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing.
I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning.
Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads
Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side.

Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows.

There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote: Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing. I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning. Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads[/p][/quote]Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side. Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows. There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.[/p][/quote]Well said. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 0

11:50am Sun 28 Apr 13

MandinVerwood says...

I hope the lady is okay. I can see her bike was a Cannondale road bike, so it is to be expected that she was upper speeds of cyclists, although the flyover climb itself would have slowed her down a bit.

I really hope that she makes a full recovery and is back on a bike soon. Even more important I hope that the B*ded in the car does the right thing and hands themselves in as soon as possible to the police. I don't know if they were entilitled to drive or not, but please do the right thing now.

As for the comments, as if the cyclists should have been suing the flyover, I have to cycle across the roundabout to JPMorgan if I commute from Verwood and come down Castle Lane East. To come of the A338 and take on the drivers at the traffic lights grand-prix is more dangerous, then going across the flyover. And what to the road planners think, well they direct cyclists across it. The only consideration they have is after the flyover and before the slip road on, they have put lanes in to take cyclists out to the left hand side. (Look at Google maps to see where). So the road authorities think that this was a safe place to cycle.
I hope the lady is okay. I can see her bike was a Cannondale road bike, so it is to be expected that she was upper speeds of cyclists, although the flyover climb itself would have slowed her down a bit. I really hope that she makes a full recovery and is back on a bike soon. Even more important I hope that the B*ded in the car does the right thing and hands themselves in as soon as possible to the police. I don't know if they were entilitled to drive or not, but please do the right thing now. As for the comments, as if the cyclists should have been suing the flyover, I have to cycle across the roundabout to JPMorgan if I commute from Verwood and come down Castle Lane East. To come of the A338 and take on the drivers at the traffic lights grand-prix is more dangerous, then going across the flyover. And what to the road planners think, well they direct cyclists across it. The only consideration they have is after the flyover and before the slip road on, they have put lanes in to take cyclists out to the left hand side. (Look at Google maps to see where). So the road authorities think that this was a safe place to cycle. MandinVerwood
  • Score: 0

1:28pm Sun 28 Apr 13

Boredofthiscountry says...

B0Un3M0uTh wrote:
It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc.

I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care.

The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous.

Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention.

All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse!

P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?
And by the same token, cyclists who cycle through red lights and almost get hit while I'm turning right should go to prison as well? am I right? EVERYONE needs to obey the law of the road, it's not all down to car drivers
[quote][p][bold]B0Un3M0uTh[/bold] wrote: It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc. I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care. The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous. Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention. All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse! P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?[/p][/quote]And by the same token, cyclists who cycle through red lights and almost get hit while I'm turning right should go to prison as well? am I right? EVERYONE needs to obey the law of the road, it's not all down to car drivers Boredofthiscountry
  • Score: 0

6:32pm Sun 28 Apr 13

FNS-man says...

goatty wrote:
FNS-man wrote:
goatty wrote:
Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing.
I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning.
Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads
Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side.

Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows.

There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.
What a ridiculous post! So cyclists earn more and are allowed to undertake traffic without any regards to traffic!
You are obviously a Greeny who hates cars and think we all should go back to bikes and horses.
Oh and by the way I shall say what I want and when I want. Its a free country
Yes and yes. Another example of motorists not understanding what is legal for bikes to do, and getting annoyed when they are cycling perfectly within the rules.
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote: Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing. I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning. Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads[/p][/quote]Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side. Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows. There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous post! So cyclists earn more and are allowed to undertake traffic without any regards to traffic! You are obviously a Greeny who hates cars and think we all should go back to bikes and horses. Oh and by the way I shall say what I want and when I want. Its a free country[/p][/quote]Yes and yes. Another example of motorists not understanding what is legal for bikes to do, and getting annoyed when they are cycling perfectly within the rules. FNS-man
  • Score: 0

6:34pm Sun 28 Apr 13

cycletourer says...

Boredofthiscountry wrote:
B0Un3M0uTh wrote:
It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc.

I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care.

The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous.

Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention.

All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse!

P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?
And by the same token, cyclists who cycle through red lights and almost get hit while I'm turning right should go to prison as well? am I right? EVERYONE needs to obey the law of the road, it's not all down to car drivers
.....and the cyclist who rides on the pavement,the cyclist who rides without lights at night and the driver who uses a mobile phone whilst driving and the driver who fails to keep to the speed limit not forgeting the pedestrian who walks out in front of a cyclist because they assumed as they could not hear anything the road must be empty or perhaps the elderly lady who takes a bit longer on the crossing than other's (obstucting the highway surly???)
Send the lot of them down i hear you shout.100 years hard labour and no parole. Take the prisoner down.
[quote][p][bold]Boredofthiscountry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B0Un3M0uTh[/bold] wrote: It is when car drivers abilities are so below par these days and the typical comment when a cyclist is hit is, "Sorry, didn't see you there" which translates as, "Sorry, I wasn't paying any attention" etc. I'm a driver of two vehicles, have all license types and am an avid cyclist both on and off road, no accidents with anyone thus far and feel that should the law change and poor car drivers whom hit cyclists given 9 points plus a 12 month jail term, would very quickly start to drive with more care. The law clearly identifies that two cyclists may ride abreast, and that car drivers are legally required to provide one car's width from the cyclist. In my experience, If I get 6 inches the car drivers are being generous. Go ahead, cycle with traffic racing past you when a gust of wind hits you, see how easy it is to maintain your road position and see how much the car drivers / van drivers pay attention. All cyclist should have to wear hi-vis and a helmet + lights, that should become law but all motor vehicle drivers need to wise up as they are getting worse! P.S, There is actually a cycle lane down the majority of this road, not noticed it!?!?!?!?[/p][/quote]And by the same token, cyclists who cycle through red lights and almost get hit while I'm turning right should go to prison as well? am I right? EVERYONE needs to obey the law of the road, it's not all down to car drivers[/p][/quote].....and the cyclist who rides on the pavement,the cyclist who rides without lights at night and the driver who uses a mobile phone whilst driving and the driver who fails to keep to the speed limit not forgeting the pedestrian who walks out in front of a cyclist because they assumed as they could not hear anything the road must be empty or perhaps the elderly lady who takes a bit longer on the crossing than other's (obstucting the highway surly???) Send the lot of them down i hear you shout.100 years hard labour and no parole. Take the prisoner down. cycletourer
  • Score: 0

1:53am Mon 29 Apr 13

JonCris says...

The PRINCIPAL 'road user' is a pedestrian as he/her can go down a one way street the wrong way & cross a road anywhere except where it is expressly not allowed In other words a pedestrian can 'jaywalk' with impunity provided they do not endanger another Under the law EVERYTHING is legal UNLESS expressly forbidden.
The PRINCIPAL 'road user' is a pedestrian as he/her can go down a one way street the wrong way & cross a road anywhere except where it is expressly not allowed In other words a pedestrian can 'jaywalk' with impunity provided they do not endanger another Under the law EVERYTHING is legal UNLESS expressly forbidden. JonCris
  • Score: 0

6:44am Mon 29 Apr 13

retry69 says...

JonCris wrote:
The PRINCIPAL 'road user' is a pedestrian as he/her can go down a one way street the wrong way & cross a road anywhere except where it is expressly not allowed In other words a pedestrian can 'jaywalk' with impunity provided they do not endanger another Under the law EVERYTHING is legal UNLESS expressly forbidden.
Its always amazes me how an article such as this regarding a seriously hurt road user can be reduced to childish nonsense such as described in the last 2 comments although perhaps that is a little harsh on a childs thinking
[quote][p][bold]JonCris[/bold] wrote: The PRINCIPAL 'road user' is a pedestrian as he/her can go down a one way street the wrong way & cross a road anywhere except where it is expressly not allowed In other words a pedestrian can 'jaywalk' with impunity provided they do not endanger another Under the law EVERYTHING is legal UNLESS expressly forbidden.[/p][/quote]Its always amazes me how an article such as this regarding a seriously hurt road user can be reduced to childish nonsense such as described in the last 2 comments although perhaps that is a little harsh on a childs thinking retry69
  • Score: 0

9:17am Mon 29 Apr 13

Arthur Maureen says...

goatty wrote:
FNS-man wrote:
goatty wrote:
Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing.
I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning.
Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads
Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side.

Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows.

There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.
What a ridiculous post! So cyclists earn more and are allowed to undertake traffic without any regards to traffic!
You are obviously a Greeny who hates cars and think we all should go back to bikes and horses.
Oh and by the way I shall say what I want and when I want. Its a free country
You are indeed the moron of the day. Lord Spring, as usual following closely behind.
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote: Only the other morning I witnessed a lady on a cycle with a trailer on the slip road going towards Ringwood on the A31. There was chaos and she was oblivious to the chaos and to the danger she was in and causing. I was also a witness to a nasty incident involving a bike. We were all stationary at a junction allowing a car from the opposite direction to turn into a side road. This bike hurtled down the inside of the stationary traffic and collided side on with the car turning. Both of these incidents go to prove that cyclists need to be more aware of cars and not to quickly blame the motorists, who by the way pay to use the roads[/p][/quote]Or in other words, she was cycling completely legally and the car turning should have seen her. The car was turning across traffic coming in the other direction. Bikes are allowed to pass stationary or slow-moving cars on either side. Also everyone pays to use the roads. They are paid for out of general taxation and local taxes. And as commuters who cycle in general earn more than those who don't, then they are paying relatively more for the roads. The amount in VED that is paid is massively less than the cost of motoring, as every study shows. There is a woman a death's door here. Can you please think before posting.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous post! So cyclists earn more and are allowed to undertake traffic without any regards to traffic! You are obviously a Greeny who hates cars and think we all should go back to bikes and horses. Oh and by the way I shall say what I want and when I want. Its a free country[/p][/quote]You are indeed the moron of the day. Lord Spring, as usual following closely behind. Arthur Maureen
  • Score: 0

5:49pm Wed 1 May 13

rogace says...

another accident in Dorset...

you would have to pay me a lot of money to be foolish enough to cycle over that flyover or cycle on any 50 mph dual carriageway...its pure lunacy,
i am sorry the person got hit and hurt BUT its stupidity to have cycled on the a338 end of, and think its safe for you to do so.

sad indeed that someone gets hurt or killed but more worrying is the trend of the driver fleeing the scene...
gutless selfish drivers who flee because they are usually banned or have no licence/mot/insuranc
e as well.

you will get caught...

i cycle and i drive and i am pretty shocked at the standards of both many drivers and cyclists in this county.
another accident in Dorset... you would have to pay me a lot of money to be foolish enough to cycle over that flyover or cycle on any 50 mph dual carriageway...its pure lunacy, i am sorry the person got hit and hurt BUT its stupidity to have cycled on the a338 end of, and think its safe for you to do so. sad indeed that someone gets hurt or killed but more worrying is the trend of the driver fleeing the scene... gutless selfish drivers who flee because they are usually banned or have no licence/mot/insuranc e as well. you will get caught... i cycle and i drive and i am pretty shocked at the standards of both many drivers and cyclists in this county. rogace
  • Score: 0

6:00pm Wed 1 May 13

rogace says...

another accident in Dorset...

you would have to pay me a lot of money to be foolish enough to cycle over that flyover or cycle on any 50 mph dual carriageway...its pure lunacy,
i am sorry the person got hit and hurt BUT its stupidity to have cycled on the a338 end of, and think its safe for you to do so.

sad indeed that someone gets hurt or killed but more worrying is the trend of the driver fleeing the scene...
gutless selfish drivers who flee because they are usually banned or have no licence/mot/insuranc
e as well.

you will get caught...

i cycle and i drive and i am pretty shocked at the standards of both many drivers and cyclists in this county.
another accident in Dorset... you would have to pay me a lot of money to be foolish enough to cycle over that flyover or cycle on any 50 mph dual carriageway...its pure lunacy, i am sorry the person got hit and hurt BUT its stupidity to have cycled on the a338 end of, and think its safe for you to do so. sad indeed that someone gets hurt or killed but more worrying is the trend of the driver fleeing the scene... gutless selfish drivers who flee because they are usually banned or have no licence/mot/insuranc e as well. you will get caught... i cycle and i drive and i am pretty shocked at the standards of both many drivers and cyclists in this county. rogace
  • Score: 0

8:53am Thu 2 May 13

Northstand_dan says...

rorusmaximus wrote:
I stand corrected. It's just unadvisable, very dangerous and probably halves your life expectancy.
There are certain things which non-cyclists don't appreciate. As the picture implies, the cyclist had a 'probable' expensive bike, which is a Cannondale. These bikes are likely to be owned by 'serious' cyclists - when I say 'serious' i mean someone who is an enthusiast or someone who 'trains' and races / or a Triathlete. She, (in the context of the article) may have either been training at this early time of the morning or doing a commute. If you are very fit, it is possible to maintain an averagely high speed of 22-27+ mph over a journey. Using the flyover at Cooper Dean is not unheard of - infact I have ridden over it during the day/rush hour and part of a 40mile loop at weekends. Not all motorists look out for cyclists..(and i say that because I drive myself, tow a caravan and consider myself 'experienced' ) as I did not pass my test until i was in my mid 20's so I had always ridden a bike first, car 2nd.. I can see both points of view and no doubt some of you will feel incensed that I dont know what im talking about, infact I feel I do- To me, the fact the motorist fled the scene tells me that they were doing something 'wrong' before they hit the cyclist, if I ever knocked a cyclist off their bike, I'd be the first to stop, help them up and spend the rest of my time berating myself if it was my fault. The fact that I am more aware of cyclists 'generally' means i look out for them, and motorcycles more often and give them more room and drive accordingly.... As a motoring nation, we need to stop 'hating' cyclists and just take a little more time and be more understanding... I've also been knocked off my own bike and had several near misses and it isn't something I'd like to repeat which is why I mostly try and stick to quieter routes. It would be nice if everyone just realised that some cyclists also own cars and they're perfectly capable and aware of other road users, the world would be a better place..
[quote][p][bold]rorusmaximus[/bold] wrote: I stand corrected. It's just unadvisable, very dangerous and probably halves your life expectancy.[/p][/quote]There are certain things which non-cyclists don't appreciate. As the picture implies, the cyclist had a 'probable' expensive bike, which is a Cannondale. These bikes are likely to be owned by 'serious' cyclists - when I say 'serious' i mean someone who is an enthusiast or someone who 'trains' and races / or a Triathlete. She, (in the context of the article) may have either been training at this early time of the morning or doing a commute. If you are very fit, it is possible to maintain an averagely high speed of 22-27+ mph over a journey. Using the flyover at Cooper Dean is not unheard of - infact I have ridden over it during the day/rush hour and part of a 40mile loop at weekends. Not all motorists look out for cyclists..(and i say that because I drive myself, tow a caravan and consider myself 'experienced' ) as I did not pass my test until i was in my mid 20's so I had always ridden a bike first, car 2nd.. I can see both points of view and no doubt some of you will feel incensed that I dont know what im talking about, infact I feel I do- To me, the fact the motorist fled the scene tells me that they were doing something 'wrong' before they hit the cyclist, if I ever knocked a cyclist off their bike, I'd be the first to stop, help them up and spend the rest of my time berating myself if it was my fault. The fact that I am more aware of cyclists 'generally' means i look out for them, and motorcycles more often and give them more room and drive accordingly.... As a motoring nation, we need to stop 'hating' cyclists and just take a little more time and be more understanding... I've also been knocked off my own bike and had several near misses and it isn't something I'd like to repeat which is why I mostly try and stick to quieter routes. It would be nice if everyone just realised that some cyclists also own cars and they're perfectly capable and aware of other road users, the world would be a better place.. Northstand_dan
  • Score: 0

9:16am Thu 2 May 13

Tig says...

The driver has now been caught.
.
http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/news/10
393367.Man_arrested_
following_hit_and_ru
n_on_Cooper_Dean_fly
over/?ref=mr
The driver has now been caught. . http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 393367.Man_arrested_ following_hit_and_ru n_on_Cooper_Dean_fly over/?ref=mr Tig
  • Score: 0

9:23am Thu 2 May 13

retry69 says...

Northstand_dan wrote:
rorusmaximus wrote:
I stand corrected. It's just unadvisable, very dangerous and probably halves your life expectancy.
There are certain things which non-cyclists don't appreciate. As the picture implies, the cyclist had a 'probable' expensive bike, which is a Cannondale. These bikes are likely to be owned by 'serious' cyclists - when I say 'serious' i mean someone who is an enthusiast or someone who 'trains' and races / or a Triathlete. She, (in the context of the article) may have either been training at this early time of the morning or doing a commute. If you are very fit, it is possible to maintain an averagely high speed of 22-27+ mph over a journey. Using the flyover at Cooper Dean is not unheard of - infact I have ridden over it during the day/rush hour and part of a 40mile loop at weekends. Not all motorists look out for cyclists..(and i say that because I drive myself, tow a caravan and consider myself 'experienced' ) as I did not pass my test until i was in my mid 20's so I had always ridden a bike first, car 2nd.. I can see both points of view and no doubt some of you will feel incensed that I dont know what im talking about, infact I feel I do- To me, the fact the motorist fled the scene tells me that they were doing something 'wrong' before they hit the cyclist, if I ever knocked a cyclist off their bike, I'd be the first to stop, help them up and spend the rest of my time berating myself if it was my fault. The fact that I am more aware of cyclists 'generally' means i look out for them, and motorcycles more often and give them more room and drive accordingly.... As a motoring nation, we need to stop 'hating' cyclists and just take a little more time and be more understanding... I've also been knocked off my own bike and had several near misses and it isn't something I'd like to repeat which is why I mostly try and stick to quieter routes. It would be nice if everyone just realised that some cyclists also own cars and they're perfectly capable and aware of other road users, the world would be a better place..
Of course everything you have stated makes common sense and i firmly believe that the responsible road-user whatever mode of transport are aware of what is happening around them.The "i hate cyclist" brigade are diminishing quickly now as it comes more apparant that 75% are just wind up merchants who have run their course and the 25% remaining realise what little knowledge they have of life on our roads today.
[quote][p][bold]Northstand_dan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rorusmaximus[/bold] wrote: I stand corrected. It's just unadvisable, very dangerous and probably halves your life expectancy.[/p][/quote]There are certain things which non-cyclists don't appreciate. As the picture implies, the cyclist had a 'probable' expensive bike, which is a Cannondale. These bikes are likely to be owned by 'serious' cyclists - when I say 'serious' i mean someone who is an enthusiast or someone who 'trains' and races / or a Triathlete. She, (in the context of the article) may have either been training at this early time of the morning or doing a commute. If you are very fit, it is possible to maintain an averagely high speed of 22-27+ mph over a journey. Using the flyover at Cooper Dean is not unheard of - infact I have ridden over it during the day/rush hour and part of a 40mile loop at weekends. Not all motorists look out for cyclists..(and i say that because I drive myself, tow a caravan and consider myself 'experienced' ) as I did not pass my test until i was in my mid 20's so I had always ridden a bike first, car 2nd.. I can see both points of view and no doubt some of you will feel incensed that I dont know what im talking about, infact I feel I do- To me, the fact the motorist fled the scene tells me that they were doing something 'wrong' before they hit the cyclist, if I ever knocked a cyclist off their bike, I'd be the first to stop, help them up and spend the rest of my time berating myself if it was my fault. The fact that I am more aware of cyclists 'generally' means i look out for them, and motorcycles more often and give them more room and drive accordingly.... As a motoring nation, we need to stop 'hating' cyclists and just take a little more time and be more understanding... I've also been knocked off my own bike and had several near misses and it isn't something I'd like to repeat which is why I mostly try and stick to quieter routes. It would be nice if everyone just realised that some cyclists also own cars and they're perfectly capable and aware of other road users, the world would be a better place..[/p][/quote]Of course everything you have stated makes common sense and i firmly believe that the responsible road-user whatever mode of transport are aware of what is happening around them.The "i hate cyclist" brigade are diminishing quickly now as it comes more apparant that 75% are just wind up merchants who have run their course and the 25% remaining realise what little knowledge they have of life on our roads today. retry69
  • Score: 0

12:16pm Sun 5 May 13

Russ Westbourne says...

The person hit is a friend of mine. Interesting to note some of the comments here, and then to think again if you would have actually said what you have given that you know the person...

She is a very roadworthy and careful cyclist and the fact is the driver drove off, and has since been caught.

Luckily she is recovering but has sustained some serious injuries.

I hope the despicable idiot responsible suffers for this as much as possible and is locked up.
The person hit is a friend of mine. Interesting to note some of the comments here, and then to think again if you would have actually said what you have given that you know the person... She is a very roadworthy and careful cyclist and the fact is the driver drove off, and has since been caught. Luckily she is recovering but has sustained some serious injuries. I hope the despicable idiot responsible suffers for this as much as possible and is locked up. Russ Westbourne
  • Score: 0

8:26am Thu 16 May 13

Daysie says...

I think that no matter what laws are introduced, how much training you make people do, and how much name calling there is, there will always be people who are stupid, dangerous, and dont care. There will always be both car drivers and biker riders who behave like idiots and flaunt the laws just as there will be others who drive sensibly and keep to the law. For every car driver who knocks off a cyclist there will be many others who would slow down and give a wide berth. just as for every cyclist who runs red lights, etc. there will be many others who keep to the cycle paths and wear hi-viz for example. As a cyclist AND car driver myself, the best thing I can do when on my bike is keep myself as safe as possible. this means having good lights, good brakes, wearing hi-viz, obeying the road laws and not cycling somewhere that is dangerous.
It is such a shame that this woman was knocked off and I am glad she is OK, and unbelievable that the car driver drove off, however I do think that by cycling on a dual carriageway over a flyover she was putting herself at risk simply by being there, as no matter what the speed limit you will always get people driving at 80-90 mph because they can, and not looking for cyclists.
The council should provide better cycle routes, sure, but cyclists should use them.
Take the bridge into wimborne for example, there is a cycle route down one side, 2 cycle/pedestrian crossings, and a cycle/pedestrian bridge, but i still see cyclists using the road straight over the bridge and risking being squashed against the wall. Why?
There is a perfectly wide cycle path down to fleetsbridge from darbys corner, crossings, and an underground cycle path through the roundabout but i still see cyclists on the road, jumping the red light, and going round the roundabout, WHY would they put themselves at risk? jsut so they can blame the car driver when they are hit?
At the same time, the amount of people driving their cars while clearly not aware of what is happening around them is frightening
Clearly there will always be people who can't drive or cycle responsibly.
And the rest of us should emply what is called 'defensive driving' - basically you assume that anything can happen, everyone else is an idiot, and you allow for it!
I think that no matter what laws are introduced, how much training you make people do, and how much name calling there is, there will always be people who are stupid, dangerous, and dont care. There will always be both car drivers and biker riders who behave like idiots and flaunt the laws just as there will be others who drive sensibly and keep to the law. For every car driver who knocks off a cyclist there will be many others who would slow down and give a wide berth. just as for every cyclist who runs red lights, etc. there will be many others who keep to the cycle paths and wear hi-viz for example. As a cyclist AND car driver myself, the best thing I can do when on my bike is keep myself as safe as possible. this means having good lights, good brakes, wearing hi-viz, obeying the road laws and not cycling somewhere that is dangerous. It is such a shame that this woman was knocked off and I am glad she is OK, and unbelievable that the car driver drove off, however I do think that by cycling on a dual carriageway over a flyover she was putting herself at risk simply by being there, as no matter what the speed limit you will always get people driving at 80-90 mph because they can, and not looking for cyclists. The council should provide better cycle routes, sure, but cyclists should use them. Take the bridge into wimborne for example, there is a cycle route down one side, 2 cycle/pedestrian crossings, and a cycle/pedestrian bridge, but i still see cyclists using the road straight over the bridge and risking being squashed against the wall. Why? There is a perfectly wide cycle path down to fleetsbridge from darbys corner, crossings, and an underground cycle path through the roundabout but i still see cyclists on the road, jumping the red light, and going round the roundabout, WHY would they put themselves at risk? jsut so they can blame the car driver when they are hit? At the same time, the amount of people driving their cars while clearly not aware of what is happening around them is frightening Clearly there will always be people who can't drive or cycle responsibly. And the rest of us should emply what is called 'defensive driving' - basically you assume that anything can happen, everyone else is an idiot, and you allow for it! Daysie
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree