V club's new boss makes Carr and Beedham ban part of licence application

Bournemouth Echo: V club's new boss makes Carr and Beedham ban part of licence application V club's new boss makes Carr and Beedham ban part of licence application

THE new operators of Bournemouth’s V Club will attempt to gain a new licence next week – and have pledged to formally bar Richard Carr and former operator James Beedham if successful.

A total ban on either of the former operators entering the premises at any time is one of many conditions being proposed by new owner Gary Bennetton, who is hoping to reopen the popular venue.

The proposed conditions also include a ban on Mr Carr, Mr Beedham and any of their respective family members having a financial interest in V Club or being able to work there.

The ban extends to any limited company, partnership or legal entity that they or their relatives have a financial interest in.

V Club has been closed since February, when it was the scene of a serious stabbing incident that left 29-year-old clubber Ben Selby scarred for life.

Its licence was formally revoked in March and the venue has since been transferred from Mr Beedham to Mr Bennetton.

Prior to its closure, the premises was being run as one big “superclub” but it has now reverted back to V Club and Hamptons.

The owners of Hamptons were successful in gaining a licence earlier this month.

However, Dorset Police is objecting to V Club’s new application, which will go before councillors next Tuesday.

Their letter states: “The premises has a reputation and client base that have been shown to cause unacceptable levels of crime and disorder both inside and around the premises.

“The new applicants have not sufficiently addressed how they intend to resolve this particular issue.

Dorset Police have been in negotiation with the applicants over these matters but have as yet not been able to reach any agreement.”

And Bournemouth town centre councillor Dave Smith has also objected.

He said he wanted the venue to be more of a restaurant and added: “Can the new proposed proprietor convince the board that he does not have any connections to the old proprietor who has a history of allowing ‘crime’ to flourish in the premises?”

Mr Carr told the Echo he did not want to make any comment on V Club’s application at this time but said he wished the new operators luck in getting a licence.

Mr Bennetton was unavailable for comment when the Echo tried to contact him yesterday.

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8:49am Fri 26 Apr 13

KLH says...

Hamptons - I went down to the council offices yesterday to speak to someone from Licencing to ask exactly what conditions Hamptons have to abide by as supposedly there are strict conditions or something and as a nearby resident I would like to know what they are. (recently reported in the Echo) I got told that they haven't been granted yet - so what is happening, they are doing a lot of work on the premises...
Hamptons - I went down to the council offices yesterday to speak to someone from Licencing to ask exactly what conditions Hamptons have to abide by as supposedly there are strict conditions or something and as a nearby resident I would like to know what they are. (recently reported in the Echo) I got told that they haven't been granted yet - so what is happening, they are doing a lot of work on the premises... KLH
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8:51am Fri 26 Apr 13

speedy231278 says...

“The premises has a reputation and client base that have been shown to cause unacceptable levels of crime and disorder both inside and around the premises.

“The new applicants have not sufficiently addressed how they intend to resolve this particular issue."

Sounds like almost every club and bar in Bournemouth to me.....
“The premises has a reputation and client base that have been shown to cause unacceptable levels of crime and disorder both inside and around the premises. “The new applicants have not sufficiently addressed how they intend to resolve this particular issue." Sounds like almost every club and bar in Bournemouth to me..... speedy231278
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9:27am Fri 26 Apr 13

Talkingheadera says...

If anyone thinks Carr is not involved then they are deluded.
Guaranteed he is and if I could put a bet on it I would certainly do so.
If anyone thinks Carr is not involved then they are deluded. Guaranteed he is and if I could put a bet on it I would certainly do so. Talkingheadera
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9:53am Fri 26 Apr 13

muscliffman says...

It is reported that "A total ban on either of the former operators entering the premises at any time is one of many conditions being proposed by new owner".

Why? A meaningless gesture which actually reinforces the very concerns it was doubtless intended to quash!
It is reported that "A total ban on either of the former operators entering the premises at any time is one of many conditions being proposed by new owner". Why? A meaningless gesture which actually reinforces the very concerns it was doubtless intended to quash! muscliffman
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10:49am Fri 26 Apr 13

Redgolfer says...

SHUT down Hampton's now as the licensing department were conned by ''new owners'' and as for the new conditions on V bar, why would anybody just transfer ownership from one to another.
I am in agreement with other poster's concerns about former owners INVOLVEMENT, !!!!!!!
SHUT down Hampton's now as the licensing department were conned by ''new owners'' and as for the new conditions on V bar, why would anybody just transfer ownership from one to another. I am in agreement with other poster's concerns about former owners INVOLVEMENT, !!!!!!! Redgolfer
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11:23am Fri 26 Apr 13

KLH says...

The only way to make sure Carr isn't anything to do with either venue make sure neither can operate as licenced premises, whatever the 'new owners' say.

Both venues need a complete change of use.
The only way to make sure Carr isn't anything to do with either venue make sure neither can operate as licenced premises, whatever the 'new owners' say. Both venues need a complete change of use. KLH
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11:34am Fri 26 Apr 13

simcal says...

KLH wrote:
The only way to make sure Carr isn't anything to do with either venue make sure neither can operate as licenced premises, whatever the 'new owners' say.

Both venues need a complete change of use.
Since when did Bournemouth become a soviet state. Central planning died with the collapse of the former USSR. You are deluded to think the council can dictate what makes commercial sense. Only got to look at the Imax, Surf reef etc to realise council hopeless when it comes to commercial ventures.
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: The only way to make sure Carr isn't anything to do with either venue make sure neither can operate as licenced premises, whatever the 'new owners' say. Both venues need a complete change of use.[/p][/quote]Since when did Bournemouth become a soviet state. Central planning died with the collapse of the former USSR. You are deluded to think the council can dictate what makes commercial sense. Only got to look at the Imax, Surf reef etc to realise council hopeless when it comes to commercial ventures. simcal
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12:21pm Fri 26 Apr 13

THawkes says...

“The premises has a reputation and client base that have been shown to cause unacceptable levels of crime and disorder both inside and around the premises.

“The new applicants have not sufficiently addressed how they intend to resolve this particular issue.

Dorset Police have been in negotiation with the applicants over these matters but have as yet not been able to reach any agreement.”


What planet are they on, as the same client base are still going to be about but just visiting other premises!

The premises are not the root of the evil, it's the clients that need addressing, not by the owners but by society.
“The premises has a reputation and client base that have been shown to cause unacceptable levels of crime and disorder both inside and around the premises. “The new applicants have not sufficiently addressed how they intend to resolve this particular issue. Dorset Police have been in negotiation with the applicants over these matters but have as yet not been able to reach any agreement.” What planet are they on, as the same client base are still going to be about but just visiting other premises! The premises are not the root of the evil, it's the clients that need addressing, not by the owners but by society. THawkes
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1:33pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Bob49 says...

"You are deluded to think the council can dictate what makes commercial sense"

eh ?

I think you will find this is a matter of previous operators "allowing crime to flourish in the premises".

The council has a legal duty to ensure that those holding the license are 'fit and proper' and that the premises re suitable.

Nothing whatsoever to do with 'commercial sense'.

Curiously Mr Carr is deemed to be a former operator where where has always claimed to be a mere consultant. Why would the new owner and/or the council think that Mr Carr was a previous operator ?
"You are deluded to think the council can dictate what makes commercial sense" eh ? I think you will find this is a matter of previous operators "allowing crime to flourish in the premises". The council has a legal duty to ensure that those holding the license are 'fit and proper' and that the premises re suitable. Nothing whatsoever to do with 'commercial sense'. Curiously Mr Carr is deemed to be a former operator where where has always claimed to be a mere consultant. Why would the new owner and/or the council think that Mr Carr was a previous operator ? Bob49
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2:30pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Talkingheadera says...

Because they aren't stupid!
Everyone knows Jim Beedham is carrs lapdog and did not have the funds to have bought the lease.
He was a manager for Carr and does what he's told.
Because they aren't stupid! Everyone knows Jim Beedham is carrs lapdog and did not have the funds to have bought the lease. He was a manager for Carr and does what he's told. Talkingheadera
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2:58pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Glashen says...

Bob49 wrote:
"You are deluded to think the council can dictate what makes commercial sense"

eh ?

I think you will find this is a matter of previous operators "allowing crime to flourish in the premises".

The council has a legal duty to ensure that those holding the license are 'fit and proper' and that the premises re suitable.

Nothing whatsoever to do with 'commercial sense'.

Curiously Mr Carr is deemed to be a former operator where where has always claimed to be a mere consultant. Why would the new owner and/or the council think that Mr Carr was a previous operator ?
Well probably because it was him they were dealing with judging by earlier reports.
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You are right about the council's duties it isn't up to them to make conditions that make commercial sense, particularly when you consider that the original consent was a restaurant with entertainment and what we had was clearly a mega night club. It is interesting that now the council and the police are finally flexing their muscles, the squealing that is emanating from certain quarters. I think the adage if it isn't hurting it isn't working could apply here.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "You are deluded to think the council can dictate what makes commercial sense" eh ? I think you will find this is a matter of previous operators "allowing crime to flourish in the premises". The council has a legal duty to ensure that those holding the license are 'fit and proper' and that the premises re suitable. Nothing whatsoever to do with 'commercial sense'. Curiously Mr Carr is deemed to be a former operator where where has always claimed to be a mere consultant. Why would the new owner and/or the council think that Mr Carr was a previous operator ?[/p][/quote]Well probably because it was him they were dealing with judging by earlier reports. - You are right about the council's duties it isn't up to them to make conditions that make commercial sense, particularly when you consider that the original consent was a restaurant with entertainment and what we had was clearly a mega night club. It is interesting that now the council and the police are finally flexing their muscles, the squealing that is emanating from certain quarters. I think the adage if it isn't hurting it isn't working could apply here. Glashen
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3:04pm Fri 26 Apr 13

extraextra says...

Give the new owner a chance, it's getting annoying, the people on here constantly making negative comments and i bet my mortgage they don't even use the nightlife in Bournemouth. Trust me I am no fan of Richard Carr, but the new owner seems to have to right idea. (i.e banning carr)

Unfortunately Richard Carr has already destroyed the majority of the clubs in Bournemouth, which generate the town plenty of money each year.

Bournemouth was at one point 2nd in the UK for the best nightlife, which in turn attracted people to Bournemouth and generated money for local businesses (hotels, cafes, shops etc).

Better security, in-house cctv operator, stricter door staff and and a little more pro-active thinking is the answer.
Give the new owner a chance, it's getting annoying, the people on here constantly making negative comments and i bet my mortgage they don't even use the nightlife in Bournemouth. Trust me I am no fan of Richard Carr, but the new owner seems to have to right idea. (i.e banning carr) Unfortunately Richard Carr has already destroyed the majority of the clubs in Bournemouth, which generate the town plenty of money each year. Bournemouth was at one point 2nd in the UK for the best nightlife, which in turn attracted people to Bournemouth and generated money for local businesses (hotels, cafes, shops etc). Better security, in-house cctv operator, stricter door staff and and a little more pro-active thinking is the answer. extraextra
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3:19pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Brock_and_Roll says...

My experiences of Mr Carr go back about 25 years and I think its fair to say that leopards do not change their spots.

The default assumption to anything he, or his representatives say should be to assume that it is at best economical with the truth.

Only the other day Carr squeeked his way off a couple of charges of failing to provide driver information. You can draw your own conclusions as to whether the police decision not to charge him on this was connected to his changing his plea to guilty for a lesser offence of speeding.

As of course you would expect from an undischarged bankrupt, Carr was driving a flash BMW when nicked was traced to Lagoon Road Poole, a valuable property.

Further it is almost amazing to note that the last 31 limited companies that Carr has been involved in have ended up dissolved. You would think that no one in their right mind would want to employ this guy as a "consultant" yet for some mysterious reason they do and he seems able to maintain the lifestyle of of a "successful businessman"........


A few years ago he did threaten to leave the area, but as with many other things, this proved to be a falso dawn!
My experiences of Mr Carr go back about 25 years and I think its fair to say that leopards do not change their spots. The default assumption to anything he, or his representatives say should be to assume that it is at best economical with the truth. Only the other day Carr squeeked his way off a couple of charges of failing to provide driver information. You can draw your own conclusions as to whether the police decision not to charge him on this was connected to his changing his plea to guilty for a lesser offence of speeding. As of course you would expect from an undischarged bankrupt, Carr was driving a flash BMW when nicked was traced to Lagoon Road Poole, a valuable property. Further it is almost amazing to note that the last 31 limited companies that Carr has been involved in have ended up dissolved. You would think that no one in their right mind would want to employ this guy as a "consultant" yet for some mysterious reason they do and he seems able to maintain the lifestyle of of a "successful businessman"........ A few years ago he did threaten to leave the area, but as with many other things, this proved to be a falso dawn! Brock_and_Roll
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3:44pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Bob49 says...

"....best nightlife, which in turn attracted people to Bournemouth and generated money for local businesses (hotels, cafes, shops etc)"

What !

Cafes and shops are closed when night clubs are open.

The only folk using hotels are stag and hen parties which are paying the minimum rate, and the same hotels are failing to re-invest and so those hotels are on a constant downward slope.

What has to be set against the money these clubs were making was the loss in real spending from those who began to give Bournemouth a very, very wide berth.

Travel back to the 70's and 80's and Bournemouth had a very vibrant nightlife with up to 40 clubs of various size and shape, five casinos and numerous late night cafes and restaurants - yet still retained it's 'upmarket' image.

How much of the subsequent change is cause or effect with clubs like V club is a bigger debate. However individual cases cannot simply be ignored because of the wider picture.

Businesses that generate almost all of their income via cash will all too often attract the 'wrong kind' - something that clearly has been highlighted here. Maybe this was a case of 'closing the door after the horse has bolted', but at least we are seeing the council trying to stop the horse sneaking back into the stable via a back door.
"....best nightlife, which in turn attracted people to Bournemouth and generated money for local businesses (hotels, cafes, shops etc)" What ! Cafes and shops are closed when night clubs are open. The only folk using hotels are stag and hen parties which are paying the minimum rate, and the same hotels are failing to re-invest and so those hotels are on a constant downward slope. What has to be set against the money these clubs were making was the loss in real spending from those who began to give Bournemouth a very, very wide berth. Travel back to the 70's and 80's and Bournemouth had a very vibrant nightlife with up to 40 clubs of various size and shape, five casinos and numerous late night cafes and restaurants - yet still retained it's 'upmarket' image. How much of the subsequent change is cause or effect with clubs like V club is a bigger debate. However individual cases cannot simply be ignored because of the wider picture. Businesses that generate almost all of their income via cash will all too often attract the 'wrong kind' - something that clearly has been highlighted here. Maybe this was a case of 'closing the door after the horse has bolted', but at least we are seeing the council trying to stop the horse sneaking back into the stable via a back door. Bob49
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3:52pm Fri 26 Apr 13

hoppy says...

Ah !! Carr & Mitchell & a few more like them.
Same old story,but they all seem to survive !! I wonder how & why ??
No matter how much financial misery they cause innocent people,suppliers,sub contractors etc. etc.they all seem to maintain a very good lifestyle.Pillars of the community all of them.It has always been the same the bigger the rogue you are the more successful you become but always at the expense of someone else.Just keep going bust & start again but do not forget to cover your back & keep in with the right people.
None of them have done me any harm but I know quite a few people who have lost out through no fault of their own.
Ah !! Carr & Mitchell & a few more like them. Same old story,but they all seem to survive !! I wonder how & why ?? No matter how much financial misery they cause innocent people,suppliers,sub contractors etc. etc.they all seem to maintain a very good lifestyle.Pillars of the community all of them.It has always been the same the bigger the rogue you are the more successful you become but always at the expense of someone else.Just keep going bust & start again but do not forget to cover your back & keep in with the right people. None of them have done me any harm but I know quite a few people who have lost out through no fault of their own. hoppy
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4:12pm Fri 26 Apr 13

KLH says...

Can the council compulsory purchase V and Hamptons?

Have Hampton's banned Carr?
Can the council compulsory purchase V and Hamptons? Have Hampton's banned Carr? KLH
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4:13pm Fri 26 Apr 13

KLH says...

Can the council compulsory purchase V and Hamptons?

Have Hampton's banned Carr?
Can the council compulsory purchase V and Hamptons? Have Hampton's banned Carr? KLH
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4:29pm Fri 26 Apr 13

extraextra says...

Bob49 wrote:
"....best nightlife, which in turn attracted people to Bournemouth and generated money for local businesses (hotels, cafes, shops etc)"

What !

Cafes and shops are closed when night clubs are open.

The only folk using hotels are stag and hen parties which are paying the minimum rate, and the same hotels are failing to re-invest and so those hotels are on a constant downward slope.

What has to be set against the money these clubs were making was the loss in real spending from those who began to give Bournemouth a very, very wide berth.

Travel back to the 70's and 80's and Bournemouth had a very vibrant nightlife with up to 40 clubs of various size and shape, five casinos and numerous late night cafes and restaurants - yet still retained it's 'upmarket' image.

How much of the subsequent change is cause or effect with clubs like V club is a bigger debate. However individual cases cannot simply be ignored because of the wider picture.

Businesses that generate almost all of their income via cash will all too often attract the 'wrong kind' - something that clearly has been highlighted here. Maybe this was a case of 'closing the door after the horse has bolted', but at least we are seeing the council trying to stop the horse sneaking back into the stable via a back door.
Agreed cafe's & shops are closed at night but people travelling to Bournemouth to use our night life have the eat and sleep so this creates revenue for the smaller local businesses within the day time.

Agreed Bournemouth are attracting the wrong crowd and hence if you up your game, improve the security / management and have a no tolerance policy, hopefully this will deter the cider drinking rocky bow-bowers.

Unfortunately Richard Carr has run too many clubs in Bournemouth recklessly and anyone opening a club now, find it acceptable to continue to run them in the same way.

Hopefully the new owner of V will change this and set a new standard.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "....best nightlife, which in turn attracted people to Bournemouth and generated money for local businesses (hotels, cafes, shops etc)" What ! Cafes and shops are closed when night clubs are open. The only folk using hotels are stag and hen parties which are paying the minimum rate, and the same hotels are failing to re-invest and so those hotels are on a constant downward slope. What has to be set against the money these clubs were making was the loss in real spending from those who began to give Bournemouth a very, very wide berth. Travel back to the 70's and 80's and Bournemouth had a very vibrant nightlife with up to 40 clubs of various size and shape, five casinos and numerous late night cafes and restaurants - yet still retained it's 'upmarket' image. How much of the subsequent change is cause or effect with clubs like V club is a bigger debate. However individual cases cannot simply be ignored because of the wider picture. Businesses that generate almost all of their income via cash will all too often attract the 'wrong kind' - something that clearly has been highlighted here. Maybe this was a case of 'closing the door after the horse has bolted', but at least we are seeing the council trying to stop the horse sneaking back into the stable via a back door.[/p][/quote]Agreed cafe's & shops are closed at night but people travelling to Bournemouth to use our night life have the eat and sleep so this creates revenue for the smaller local businesses within the day time. Agreed Bournemouth are attracting the wrong crowd and hence if you up your game, improve the security / management and have a no tolerance policy, hopefully this will deter the cider drinking rocky bow-bowers. Unfortunately Richard Carr has run too many clubs in Bournemouth recklessly and anyone opening a club now, find it acceptable to continue to run them in the same way. Hopefully the new owner of V will change this and set a new standard. extraextra
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4:30pm Fri 26 Apr 13

rozmister says...

Bob49 wrote:
"....best nightlife, which in turn attracted people to Bournemouth and generated money for local businesses (hotels, cafes, shops etc)"

What !

Cafes and shops are closed when night clubs are open.

The only folk using hotels are stag and hen parties which are paying the minimum rate, and the same hotels are failing to re-invest and so those hotels are on a constant downward slope.

What has to be set against the money these clubs were making was the loss in real spending from those who began to give Bournemouth a very, very wide berth.

Travel back to the 70's and 80's and Bournemouth had a very vibrant nightlife with up to 40 clubs of various size and shape, five casinos and numerous late night cafes and restaurants - yet still retained it's 'upmarket' image.

How much of the subsequent change is cause or effect with clubs like V club is a bigger debate. However individual cases cannot simply be ignored because of the wider picture.

Businesses that generate almost all of their income via cash will all too often attract the 'wrong kind' - something that clearly has been highlighted here. Maybe this was a case of 'closing the door after the horse has bolted', but at least we are seeing the council trying to stop the horse sneaking back into the stable via a back door.
How many town centres do you think are like that these days? Any more so than Bournemouth?

There's still restaurants in Bournemouth that it's hard to get a table in on a Friday or Saturday night. In fact if you don't book 2 weeks in advance you might as well not bother! The Christmas market was busy well into the night on Fridays & Saturdays.The idea that everyone's giving Bournemouth a wide berth and it's a no go area at night is rubbish.

Bournemouth town centre is dying on it's arse because everyone goes out to Castlepoint now where the parking is free and the shops are open late. It's not the night clubs that killed it it's Castlepoint. You just don't get the same footfall you used to because people are shopping up there and then going for dinner at Nandos or Frankie & Bennys. People are still spending their cash in the borough they're just spending it elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "....best nightlife, which in turn attracted people to Bournemouth and generated money for local businesses (hotels, cafes, shops etc)" What ! Cafes and shops are closed when night clubs are open. The only folk using hotels are stag and hen parties which are paying the minimum rate, and the same hotels are failing to re-invest and so those hotels are on a constant downward slope. What has to be set against the money these clubs were making was the loss in real spending from those who began to give Bournemouth a very, very wide berth. Travel back to the 70's and 80's and Bournemouth had a very vibrant nightlife with up to 40 clubs of various size and shape, five casinos and numerous late night cafes and restaurants - yet still retained it's 'upmarket' image. How much of the subsequent change is cause or effect with clubs like V club is a bigger debate. However individual cases cannot simply be ignored because of the wider picture. Businesses that generate almost all of their income via cash will all too often attract the 'wrong kind' - something that clearly has been highlighted here. Maybe this was a case of 'closing the door after the horse has bolted', but at least we are seeing the council trying to stop the horse sneaking back into the stable via a back door.[/p][/quote]How many town centres do you think are like that these days? Any more so than Bournemouth? There's still restaurants in Bournemouth that it's hard to get a table in on a Friday or Saturday night. In fact if you don't book 2 weeks in advance you might as well not bother! The Christmas market was busy well into the night on Fridays & Saturdays.The idea that everyone's giving Bournemouth a wide berth and it's a no go area at night is rubbish. Bournemouth town centre is dying on it's arse because everyone goes out to Castlepoint now where the parking is free and the shops are open late. It's not the night clubs that killed it it's Castlepoint. You just don't get the same footfall you used to because people are shopping up there and then going for dinner at Nandos or Frankie & Bennys. People are still spending their cash in the borough they're just spending it elsewhere. rozmister
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5:01pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Bob49 says...

oh dear what a load of contradictory old tosh rozmister posts - might help if he or she actually replied to what I wrote rather than making up stuff instead.

My post was in reply to an earlier post that falsely claimed that 'clubbers' brought in business because they used cafes and shops.

I never claimed that the town centre was "is dying on it's arse " (your words) merely that folk who would normally have came here and spent in the cafes and shops, stayed in the hotels are instead giving the town a wide berth. Those people, NOT everyone as you changed it to (check the booking figures).

As I stated there are far bigger reasons why Bournemouth has changed, however making silly claims (as with the original post) that drunks falling about and urinating in the street are bringing business to cafes and shops is nonsense, as is the claim that they have not had a detrimental effect upon visitor numbers.
oh dear what a load of contradictory old tosh rozmister posts - might help if he or she actually replied to what I wrote rather than making up stuff instead. My post was in reply to an earlier post that falsely claimed that 'clubbers' brought in business because they used cafes and shops. I never claimed that the town centre was "is dying on it's arse " (your words) merely that folk who would normally have came here and spent in the cafes and shops, stayed in the hotels are instead giving the town a wide berth. Those people, NOT everyone as you changed it to (check the booking figures). As I stated there are far bigger reasons why Bournemouth has changed, however making silly claims (as with the original post) that drunks falling about and urinating in the street are bringing business to cafes and shops is nonsense, as is the claim that they have not had a detrimental effect upon visitor numbers. Bob49
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7:34pm Fri 26 Apr 13

cycletourer says...

Sell it to the Catholic church.Allow them to return it to a place of sin and as we all know it will be covered up for many years to come.A lesson in History and takes the heat of the council.
Sell it to the Catholic church.Allow them to return it to a place of sin and as we all know it will be covered up for many years to come.A lesson in History and takes the heat of the council. cycletourer
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9:16pm Fri 26 Apr 13

LordLilliput says...

Bob49 wrote:
oh dear what a load of contradictory old tosh rozmister posts - might help if he or she actually replied to what I wrote rather than making up stuff instead.

My post was in reply to an earlier post that falsely claimed that 'clubbers' brought in business because they used cafes and shops.

I never claimed that the town centre was "is dying on it's arse " (your words) merely that folk who would normally have came here and spent in the cafes and shops, stayed in the hotels are instead giving the town a wide berth. Those people, NOT everyone as you changed it to (check the booking figures).

As I stated there are far bigger reasons why Bournemouth has changed, however making silly claims (as with the original post) that drunks falling about and urinating in the street are bringing business to cafes and shops is nonsense, as is the claim that they have not had a detrimental effect upon visitor numbers.
You clearly have a lot to say about what is wrong with Bournemouth. What do you suggest it's solution be?
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: oh dear what a load of contradictory old tosh rozmister posts - might help if he or she actually replied to what I wrote rather than making up stuff instead. My post was in reply to an earlier post that falsely claimed that 'clubbers' brought in business because they used cafes and shops. I never claimed that the town centre was "is dying on it's arse " (your words) merely that folk who would normally have came here and spent in the cafes and shops, stayed in the hotels are instead giving the town a wide berth. Those people, NOT everyone as you changed it to (check the booking figures). As I stated there are far bigger reasons why Bournemouth has changed, however making silly claims (as with the original post) that drunks falling about and urinating in the street are bringing business to cafes and shops is nonsense, as is the claim that they have not had a detrimental effect upon visitor numbers.[/p][/quote]You clearly have a lot to say about what is wrong with Bournemouth. What do you suggest it's solution be? LordLilliput
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11:01pm Fri 26 Apr 13

cosham saint says...

Clouds, Zig Zag, Alcatraz, Bumbles, Madisons to name but a few. Whatever happened to turn Bournemouth into such a hell hole at night...Ah yes the man from thr Wimpy in Boscombe Mr Carr and his kind together with the crazy 24 hour drinking culture, who the hell wants to get bladdered at 5am...?
Clouds, Zig Zag, Alcatraz, Bumbles, Madisons to name but a few. Whatever happened to turn Bournemouth into such a hell hole at night...Ah yes the man from thr Wimpy in Boscombe Mr Carr and his kind together with the crazy 24 hour drinking culture, who the hell wants to get bladdered at 5am...? cosham saint
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12:11am Sat 27 Apr 13

rozmister says...

Bob49 wrote:
oh dear what a load of contradictory old tosh rozmister posts - might help if he or she actually replied to what I wrote rather than making up stuff instead.

My post was in reply to an earlier post that falsely claimed that 'clubbers' brought in business because they used cafes and shops.

I never claimed that the town centre was "is dying on it's arse " (your words) merely that folk who would normally have came here and spent in the cafes and shops, stayed in the hotels are instead giving the town a wide berth. Those people, NOT everyone as you changed it to (check the booking figures).

As I stated there are far bigger reasons why Bournemouth has changed, however making silly claims (as with the original post) that drunks falling about and urinating in the street are bringing business to cafes and shops is nonsense, as is the claim that they have not had a detrimental effect upon visitor numbers.
The town centre is dying on it's arse in my opinion. All the empty buildings tell that story for themselves. There's a shopping centre type building in the Triangle that's been empty the whole time I've lived here (5 years) so that's not really a good sign.

You're clearly privy to booking and visitor figures that the general public can't see. Would you like to share these details?

The visitor numbers aren't tailing off solely because of drunks falling about and urinating in the street. Perhaps it's because foreign travel is cheaper than ever, perhaps it's because people expect more than just a beach and very expensive tacky attractions who knows - like you said there's far bigger reasons Bournemouth has changed. To try and say it's because of drunks scaring tourists away is naive.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: oh dear what a load of contradictory old tosh rozmister posts - might help if he or she actually replied to what I wrote rather than making up stuff instead. My post was in reply to an earlier post that falsely claimed that 'clubbers' brought in business because they used cafes and shops. I never claimed that the town centre was "is dying on it's arse " (your words) merely that folk who would normally have came here and spent in the cafes and shops, stayed in the hotels are instead giving the town a wide berth. Those people, NOT everyone as you changed it to (check the booking figures). As I stated there are far bigger reasons why Bournemouth has changed, however making silly claims (as with the original post) that drunks falling about and urinating in the street are bringing business to cafes and shops is nonsense, as is the claim that they have not had a detrimental effect upon visitor numbers.[/p][/quote]The town centre is dying on it's arse in my opinion. All the empty buildings tell that story for themselves. There's a shopping centre type building in the Triangle that's been empty the whole time I've lived here (5 years) so that's not really a good sign. You're clearly privy to booking and visitor figures that the general public can't see. Would you like to share these details? The visitor numbers aren't tailing off solely because of drunks falling about and urinating in the street. Perhaps it's because foreign travel is cheaper than ever, perhaps it's because people expect more than just a beach and very expensive tacky attractions who knows - like you said there's far bigger reasons Bournemouth has changed. To try and say it's because of drunks scaring tourists away is naive. rozmister
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5:55pm Sat 27 Apr 13

JimDorset says...

There are plenty of places for youngsters to go and enjoy themselves but very few for those 40 and over: we too would like a good venue for an evening out: could not this building become an upscale theatre-restaurant which would truly be an asset to the town.
There are plenty of places for youngsters to go and enjoy themselves but very few for those 40 and over: we too would like a good venue for an evening out: could not this building become an upscale theatre-restaurant which would truly be an asset to the town. JimDorset
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10:39am Sun 28 Apr 13

gameon says...

Does this gary benetton really expect us to beleive that Fatty Carr and his sidekick beedham have been barred from that dive in trying to win over the Police and councillors in there licencing decision yea right !!!
Does this gary benetton really expect us to beleive that Fatty Carr and his sidekick beedham have been barred from that dive in trying to win over the Police and councillors in there licencing decision yea right !!! gameon
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5:41pm Mon 29 Apr 13

TheRandom says...

People just do what they wanna do now though. If people want to go out and get drunk, try to pick up girls or get into a fight over them, which I suppose most fights are in these places, maybe there's not much you can do to stop that.

V will re-open, with strict conditions, and people will still go there as that's what they enjoy doing at weekends.

The crime aspect is just people fighting over stupid things when they're drunk, which also probably happens in other venues and in their homes too. Everyone knows someone who is an arsehole when they're drunk. Is what society is now. Student lifestyle, get **** and get laid.

The police and council get all up tight about stuff like that because generally they aren't part of that culture, and the idea trying to open up a theatre that isn't council owned is a retarded one.

I don't live in Bournemouth town centre but everyone is well aware what English night time culture is all about so it is your choice if you want to be a part of it or not.

But don't be an old **** whinging about it if you're never out at 1am in the morning in Bournemouth Town Centre and just sit there saying 'oh it's so bad all these drunks we have stumbling about at 2am' when you're never even there to see it and just read about it in papers!
People just do what they wanna do now though. If people want to go out and get drunk, try to pick up girls or get into a fight over them, which I suppose most fights are in these places, maybe there's not much you can do to stop that. V will re-open, with strict conditions, and people will still go there as that's what they enjoy doing at weekends. The crime aspect is just people fighting over stupid things when they're drunk, which also probably happens in other venues and in their homes too. Everyone knows someone who is an arsehole when they're drunk. Is what society is now. Student lifestyle, get **** and get laid. The police and council get all up tight about stuff like that because generally they aren't part of that culture, and the idea trying to open up a theatre that isn't council owned is a retarded one. I don't live in Bournemouth town centre but everyone is well aware what English night time culture is all about so it is your choice if you want to be a part of it or not. But don't be an old **** whinging about it if you're never out at 1am in the morning in Bournemouth Town Centre and just sit there saying 'oh it's so bad all these drunks we have stumbling about at 2am' when you're never even there to see it and just read about it in papers! TheRandom
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