UPDATED: Drawing pins on the road and route signs vandalised - vandals target New Forest cycle event

Bournemouth Echo: Drawing pins on the road and route signs vandalised - vandals target New Forest cycle event Drawing pins on the road and route signs vandalised - vandals target New Forest cycle event

THE safety of hundreds of cyclists was threatened during a major sports event when drawing pins were thrown on to the road and more than 1,000 route signs vandalised.

Organisers of UK Cycling’s New Forest Spring Sportive were forced to take drastic action at the start of the two-day event when the participants were put in jeopardy by the reckless actions of the vandals.

Marshals had to sweep up the tacks off the road in Boldre – but some tyres were still punctured.

Riders have also spoken of one group of people in the road, shouting at the passing cyclists and deliberately obstructing them as they passed.

And event organisers also found that more than 1,000 direction and safety signs had been removed or defaced, forcing safety teams to replace them before the 1,850 cyclists set off.

Heavy rain added to the organisers’ problems, forcing them to cancel the second day as the hosting field in Brockenhurst became waterlogged.

Martin Barden, director of UK Cycling, said there were no injuries but he was “appalled” at the action of the vandals.

He said: “A small minority of people have taken to vigilante lengths to stop the events. Their behaviour is unacceptable.

“[They] have tried to ruin the day for everyone and tried to endanger cyclists.

“Luckily that hasn’t happened, due to sheer luck, but the attempt to injure a cyclist has been there.

“I think it is appalling. It’s all been reported to the police.

“It is a very small-minded type of attitude. If we hadn’t been on top of it, it could have caused serious harm.”

Mr Barden added that some cars were also being driven at slow speeds, causing a slow-moving roadblock.

But he said that most cyclists were unaware of any problems and that many had enjoyed the day, despite the weather.

He also said that the majority of the New Forest residents were welcoming to the cyclists for the fifth annual event.

Nic Stevenson, 29, who took part in the event said despite the best efforts of the organisers, there was still some evidence of signage being tampered with.

If road markings had not been painted on the road surface, he said, there could have been problems as some directions were pointing the opposite way.

Nic, who grew up in Highcliffe and now lives in London, also spoke of a group of 12-15 people between the first and second feed station, who were in the road shouting at cyclists as they went by.

“There were a couple of younger women and what appeared to be families there – they looked to be local people”, Nic said.

“We got the impression someone was trying to pick a fight.

“They were definitely trying to provoke people.

“They were shouting things like “We don’t want you in our forest”.

“There wasn’t any violence but it was definitely intimidating and talking to other people, they had also come across the same group.

“However, there was a marshal in place before you got to them, warning you to slow down, so the organisers had really done their best.

"And I saw a police car heading in that direction as well once we were through, although I don’t know the reason why.”

Nic added: “With something like this people tend to remember the worst bit not the best bit.

“There were a lot of signs out saying “we welcome the sportive riders here” and people cheering riders on.

“I honestly don’t understand why people wouldn’t want lots of people visiting the area.

“Many will never have been to the New Forest before and could have been return visitors.”
 

The event had attracted criticism in the week leading up to it, with some residents of the New Forest claiming that cyclists were an increasing nuisance as they flocked to the park to enjoy its breathtaking views.

Mr Barden said that the number of participants had been kept low out of respect to those living there.

“We could have had 10,000 people here but we reduced the figures. We did it consciously to be considerate to the local residents. The same courtesy has not been extended the other way, in some parts,” he added.

Ian Wild, chairman of Boldre Parish Council, said he thought that the vandals’ actions were “reprehensible”.

“It could have caused accidents and could have potentially been very serious.

Anyone who cycled over the tacks could have been injured. If someone had done that, that’s reprehensible,” he said.

Over an 86-mile circuit cyclists were able to visit Lymington, Brockenhurst, Lyndhurst, Landford, Hale, Godshill, Hyde and Sway. There was also a shorter route of 58 miles.

Earlier this week Dr Julian Lewis, MP for New Forest East, wrote to transport minister Norman Baker calling for a formal licensing system for cycle events to be introduced.

He was unavailable for further comment yesterday.

Before the weekend’s event, a spokesman for the New Forest Equestrian Association said that there was a big risk to horses and riders from such events, especially when cyclists came up quickly and silently from behind.

Mr Barden said that the Forest ride event would now be rescheduled for later in the year.

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9:51am Mon 15 Apr 13

Upkeep says...

There some very strange people who live in that forest.
There some very strange people who live in that forest. Upkeep
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10:01am Mon 15 Apr 13

l'anglais says...

"Get of my land!"

Any chance of a civil war generated by cyclists and Horsey types.

It would be a bit unfair, as the Cyclists will vastly outnumber them.

So the Horsey's could call in the yachties as reinforcement.

Someone call Channel 4, that would be far better tele than their usual trash.
"Get of my land!" Any chance of a civil war generated by cyclists and Horsey types. It would be a bit unfair, as the Cyclists will vastly outnumber them. So the Horsey's could call in the yachties as reinforcement. Someone call Channel 4, that would be far better tele than their usual trash. l'anglais
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10:05am Mon 15 Apr 13

purbeckgirl says...

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed? purbeckgirl
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10:29am Mon 15 Apr 13

BoscVegas says...

1,000 signs does seem a bit excessive. and I bet its the organisers don't bother collecting them all afterward. Gotta love the effort that went into sabotaging it though - british eccentricity at its best.
1,000 signs does seem a bit excessive. and I bet its the organisers don't bother collecting them all afterward. Gotta love the effort that went into sabotaging it though - british eccentricity at its best. BoscVegas
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10:41am Mon 15 Apr 13

scrumpyjack says...

purbeckgirl wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?
Can't say I have experienced the same.

But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users.
[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote: I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Can't say I have experienced the same. But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users. scrumpyjack
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11:02am Mon 15 Apr 13

PUZZLED ONE says...

I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards.
I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards. PUZZLED ONE
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11:06am Mon 15 Apr 13

bluto999 says...

purbeckgirl wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?
I feel no sympathy at all with this criminal activity.
Why would it be better to close the roads?
[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote: I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]I feel no sympathy at all with this criminal activity. Why would it be better to close the roads? bluto999
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11:12am Mon 15 Apr 13

Hugo808 says...

purbeckgirl wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?
Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.

It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.
[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote: I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you. It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it. Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me. Hugo808
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11:18am Mon 15 Apr 13

MandinVerwood says...

PUZZLED ONE wrote:
I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards.
Of course they do. These events take months of planning and approval from the council & police is given first.

Then I have also seen the people take down the signs and clean up afterwards too.

So if the proper authorities have given permission and are making money out of this too, what rights does it give a mindless few to destroy other peoples property or put people at risk?
[quote][p][bold]PUZZLED ONE[/bold] wrote: I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards.[/p][/quote]Of course they do. These events take months of planning and approval from the council & police is given first. Then I have also seen the people take down the signs and clean up afterwards too. So if the proper authorities have given permission and are making money out of this too, what rights does it give a mindless few to destroy other peoples property or put people at risk? MandinVerwood
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11:22am Mon 15 Apr 13

MandinVerwood says...

There were also reports on the Southampton daily echo, that a local cyclist out for a ride and not associated with the event, became a victim of the tacks put down, it caused them to crash and a broken collar bone was the result. This then involved an ambulance call out on top of that.
There were also reports on the Southampton daily echo, that a local cyclist out for a ride and not associated with the event, became a victim of the tacks put down, it caused them to crash and a broken collar bone was the result. This then involved an ambulance call out on top of that. MandinVerwood
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11:26am Mon 15 Apr 13

Franks Tank says...

So 2000 cyclists come to the forest for a day out and see signs ripped down and tacks spread across the road.
What, I ask you, do you think the impression they took away with them was?
What do you think they are now telling their friend, family and work colleges about their experiences?
Where do you think all these people might reconsider coming for their holiday later in the year?
I hope the proprietors of the small businesses, guest houses, tea rooms and pubs will still be happy to shake the hand of these parochial nimbys during the low season.
New tourist slogan for the Forest should be "COME TO THE NEW FOREST, BRITAINS UNFRIENDLY NATIONAL PARK".
So 2000 cyclists come to the forest for a day out and see signs ripped down and tacks spread across the road. What, I ask you, do you think the impression they took away with them was? What do you think they are now telling their friend, family and work colleges about their experiences? Where do you think all these people might reconsider coming for their holiday later in the year? I hope the proprietors of the small businesses, guest houses, tea rooms and pubs will still be happy to shake the hand of these parochial nimbys during the low season. New tourist slogan for the Forest should be "COME TO THE NEW FOREST, BRITAINS UNFRIENDLY NATIONAL PARK". Franks Tank
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11:30am Mon 15 Apr 13

Franks Tank says...

+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++
More than 2000 cars are expected to bring Lyndurst to a standstill and turn it into a "no go zone" every weekend throughout the summer.
Anyone else see this story?
+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++ More than 2000 cars are expected to bring Lyndurst to a standstill and turn it into a "no go zone" every weekend throughout the summer. Anyone else see this story? Franks Tank
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11:31am Mon 15 Apr 13

uvox44 says...

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage. And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record... uvox44
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11:38am Mon 15 Apr 13

Capricorn 1 says...

Hugo808 wrote:
purbeckgirl wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?
Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.

It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.
Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle?
[quote][p][bold]Hugo808[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote: I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you. It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it. Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.[/p][/quote]Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it. So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle? Capricorn 1
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11:45am Mon 15 Apr 13

Gooby! says...

Capricorn 1 wrote:
Hugo808 wrote:
purbeckgirl wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?
Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.

It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.
Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle?
No not all of them. Some are locals. Some live close enough to cycle to the event. Some camp in the area some bring thier families, stay in local accomodation for a few nights. Some drive in, do the event, stop for a nice meal and to warm up, chat to their buddies in a pub. A few drive in, do the event and leave? Is that a problem?

Many tourists drive in, go for a ride on many of the marked routes, bring a pic nic and leave.

Is there a point you are making?
[quote][p][bold]Capricorn 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugo808[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote: I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you. It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it. Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.[/p][/quote]Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it. So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle?[/p][/quote]No not all of them. Some are locals. Some live close enough to cycle to the event. Some camp in the area some bring thier families, stay in local accomodation for a few nights. Some drive in, do the event, stop for a nice meal and to warm up, chat to their buddies in a pub. A few drive in, do the event and leave? Is that a problem? Many tourists drive in, go for a ride on many of the marked routes, bring a pic nic and leave. Is there a point you are making? Gooby!
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11:53am Mon 15 Apr 13

Capricorn 1 says...

Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes.

Yes- there is a point.

The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case.
Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes. Yes- there is a point. The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case. Capricorn 1
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12:05pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Gooby! says...

Capricorn 1 wrote:
Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes.

Yes- there is a point.

The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case.
With that logic, name an event that is totally pollution free?
[quote][p][bold]Capricorn 1[/bold] wrote: Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes. Yes- there is a point. The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case.[/p][/quote]With that logic, name an event that is totally pollution free? Gooby!
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12:19pm Mon 15 Apr 13

retry69 says...

You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness
You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness retry69
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12:28pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Hewhoshallnotbenamed says...

Having been a victim of drawing pins being scattered on the road, not at this event but another organised event, this mindless act is lucky not to cause serious harm to someone.

I suffered from a broken collarbone, broken arm, cuts and bruises over my face and concussion, I spent 2 nights in hospital whilst they kept me in for monitoring. My life was saved by my Helmet, which is a compulsory measure at these events. The damage to my helmet caused it to split in two, it also buckled my wheel on my bike costing me in excess of £400 to fix. I now have insurance on my bike and myself if such an event should happen again.

I also drive for my living, which means travelling right across the country usually racking up 20,000 miles a year, I see all kind of idiots on Bikes and Cars, and unfortunately its the minority of people on both that cause issues for the others and tarnish each others reputation, this country is miles behind some of our European counterparts where they actively encourage safe cycling.
Having been a victim of drawing pins being scattered on the road, not at this event but another organised event, this mindless act is lucky not to cause serious harm to someone. I suffered from a broken collarbone, broken arm, cuts and bruises over my face and concussion, I spent 2 nights in hospital whilst they kept me in for monitoring. My life was saved by my Helmet, which is a compulsory measure at these events. The damage to my helmet caused it to split in two, it also buckled my wheel on my bike costing me in excess of £400 to fix. I now have insurance on my bike and myself if such an event should happen again. I also drive for my living, which means travelling right across the country usually racking up 20,000 miles a year, I see all kind of idiots on Bikes and Cars, and unfortunately its the minority of people on both that cause issues for the others and tarnish each others reputation, this country is miles behind some of our European counterparts where they actively encourage safe cycling. Hewhoshallnotbenamed
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12:29pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Franks Tank says...

retry69 wrote:
You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness
There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness[/p][/quote]There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route. Franks Tank
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12:43pm Mon 15 Apr 13

retry69 says...

Franks Tank wrote:
retry69 wrote:
You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness
There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route.
so i understand completely sickening
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness[/p][/quote]There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route.[/p][/quote]so i understand completely sickening retry69
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1:09pm Mon 15 Apr 13

kingstonpaul says...

How depressing. Why do the comments after an incident like this have to degenerate into tribal factionalism?
Come on people, grow up, try and get on, and respect that the Forest is there for a multitude of users, whether it's two-wheels, four-wheels, four-legs, two-legs, etc
How depressing. Why do the comments after an incident like this have to degenerate into tribal factionalism? Come on people, grow up, try and get on, and respect that the Forest is there for a multitude of users, whether it's two-wheels, four-wheels, four-legs, two-legs, etc kingstonpaul
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1:11pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic says...

Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day? If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years. Dorset Logic
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1:23pm Mon 15 Apr 13

madras says...

As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...
As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed... madras
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1:26pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Gooby! says...

madras wrote:
As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...
eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.

University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker.

Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks.
[quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...[/p][/quote]eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes. University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker. Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks. Gooby!
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1:32pm Mon 15 Apr 13

litespeed says...

Thanks to all the police and wiggle support workers who made this such a great event. Its a shame some mindless idiots sought to sabotage or injure other human beings
From what i saw there were many more people along the route supporting the riders and offering encouragement than there were protesters. On balance more people enjoyed having the event than protested against it.
There is room for cars, horses and cyclists in the area. People just need to get on with their lives and I truly hope that the catch those idiotic fools who sought to ruin an event and injure participants.
Thanks to all the police and wiggle support workers who made this such a great event. Its a shame some mindless idiots sought to sabotage or injure other human beings From what i saw there were many more people along the route supporting the riders and offering encouragement than there were protesters. On balance more people enjoyed having the event than protested against it. There is room for cars, horses and cyclists in the area. People just need to get on with their lives and I truly hope that the catch those idiotic fools who sought to ruin an event and injure participants. litespeed
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2:01pm Mon 15 Apr 13

charliethebikemonger says...

"eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.”"...

the NF only has a dozen or so miles of legal off road. There is miles and miles of gravel roads where cycling is banned.
"eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.”"... the NF only has a dozen or so miles of legal off road. There is miles and miles of gravel roads where cycling is banned. charliethebikemonger
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2:22pm Mon 15 Apr 13

portia6 says...

Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
Good point Dorset Logic! Some locals
really are small-minded, I can't believe
that they would stoop to throwing tacks
on the roads. The Forest will just be
like a deserted town and businesses
will suffer!
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote: Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day? If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.[/p][/quote]Good point Dorset Logic! Some locals really are small-minded, I can't believe that they would stoop to throwing tacks on the roads. The Forest will just be like a deserted town and businesses will suffer! portia6
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2:26pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Frank Spencer says...

Really depressing to read about these foolhardy goings on. Particularly the potential danger caused to the wildlife and other users by putting tacks down on the roads. Most of the quieter roads are well used by the ponies, cattle etc. Yes it is also dangerous to walkers, horse riders, dog walkers and children but the wild animals are the ones most likely to suffer if they get one or more tacks stuck in them and don't get attention. There are some real unpleasant idiots locally it would appear.
Really depressing to read about these foolhardy goings on. Particularly the potential danger caused to the wildlife and other users by putting tacks down on the roads. Most of the quieter roads are well used by the ponies, cattle etc. Yes it is also dangerous to walkers, horse riders, dog walkers and children but the wild animals are the ones most likely to suffer if they get one or more tacks stuck in them and don't get attention. There are some real unpleasant idiots locally it would appear. Frank Spencer
  • Score: 0

2:41pm Mon 15 Apr 13

PigWhistle0709 says...

Gooby! wrote:
madras wrote:
As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...
eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.

University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker.

Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks.
I regularly cycled across the Forest for more than two years between village A and B, mostly on the road but saving about three miles by riding through an inclosure. At the time, any gravel and possibly muddy track could be cycled on. A few years later restrictions were introduced that meant only certain waymarked gravel tracks could be used, so you could still cycle on the Forest but not necessarily if you wanted to get to where you had to be. This seems to be the track closing event refered to.
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...[/p][/quote]eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes. University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker. Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks.[/p][/quote]I regularly cycled across the Forest for more than two years between village A and B, mostly on the road but saving about three miles by riding through an inclosure. At the time, any gravel and possibly muddy track could be cycled on. A few years later restrictions were introduced that meant only certain waymarked gravel tracks could be used, so you could still cycle on the Forest but not necessarily if you wanted to get to where you had to be. This seems to be the track closing event refered to. PigWhistle0709
  • Score: 0

2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

PigWhistle0709 says...

Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote: Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day? If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.[/p][/quote]A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous... PigWhistle0709
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Mon 15 Apr 13

samjdavis says...

Can we get rid of all the horses in the New Forest too?

They are a nuisance and slow down my journey no end.

The point of life is to get from A to B as quick as possible, so lets please make this happen.
Can we get rid of all the horses in the New Forest too? They are a nuisance and slow down my journey no end. The point of life is to get from A to B as quick as possible, so lets please make this happen. samjdavis
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Mon 15 Apr 13

PigWhistle0709 says...

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.
As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear. The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day. It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation. The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free. It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without. PigWhistle0709
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Freddddd says...

I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy.
I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy. Freddddd
  • Score: 1

3:25pm Mon 15 Apr 13

cycletourer says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
purbeckgirl wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?
Can't say I have experienced the same.

But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users.
Does that include closing the roads around Schools twice a day when you have a large quantity of people using them.Got no problems with that.Ease congestion and everyone can walk to school.The NHS is now saved from obesity.
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote: I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Can't say I have experienced the same. But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users.[/p][/quote]Does that include closing the roads around Schools twice a day when you have a large quantity of people using them.Got no problems with that.Ease congestion and everyone can walk to school.The NHS is now saved from obesity. cycletourer
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Mon 15 Apr 13

macjames says...

I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route.

Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar.
I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route. Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar. macjames
  • Score: 0

3:33pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Mrspud28 says...

Inbred brainless locals at work here I'm afraid. They clearly don't realise the importance of tourism in the new forest.
Inbred brainless locals at work here I'm afraid. They clearly don't realise the importance of tourism in the new forest. Mrspud28
  • Score: 0

3:43pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Gooby! says...

PigWhistle0709 wrote:
As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.
No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun.

This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights.

I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say.
[quote][p][bold]PigWhistle0709[/bold] wrote: As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear. The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day. It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation. The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free. It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.[/p][/quote]No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun. This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights. I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say. Gooby!
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3:49pm Mon 15 Apr 13

cycletourer says...

macjames wrote:
I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route.

Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar.
These are Cyclist.Just that word is enough to put hatred their way.It's something we get use to unfortuantly.
[quote][p][bold]macjames[/bold] wrote: I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route. Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar.[/p][/quote]These are Cyclist.Just that word is enough to put hatred their way.It's something we get use to unfortuantly. cycletourer
  • Score: 0

4:35pm Mon 15 Apr 13

hadvar says...

Whatever else is said, surely putting tacks on the road is going to harm the wildlife that these people are claiming they want to protect. Completely hatstand. William I probably didn't torch every village twixt Test and Avon to produce a new hunting ground. He probably did so after a 10 minute conversation with the locals...
Whatever else is said, surely putting tacks on the road is going to harm the wildlife that these people are claiming they want to protect. Completely hatstand. William I probably didn't torch every village twixt Test and Avon to produce a new hunting ground. He probably did so after a 10 minute conversation with the locals... hadvar
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4:47pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic says...

PigWhistle0709 says...
2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...



Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point.
PigWhistle0709 says... 2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13 Dorset Logic wrote: Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day? If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years. A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous... Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point. Dorset Logic
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5:00pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Drifterjoe5 says...

Absolute disgrace, what these small mided people did not only endangered cyclist, but also the wildlife and livestock in the forest. If you are slowed down on a country road by a cyclist then good, speeding cars kill people and animals. If it takes you 10 minutes longer in your 4x4 to get to you champagne party on your yacht it wont kill you. Some cyclists are unsafe but at the end of the day the only life they really endanger is their own, but when you drive too fast in the forest you put others at risk. These people forget the income that visiting cyclist generate for the New Forest.
Slow down, enjoy the view & get over yourself your journey is not more important than my life!!
Absolute disgrace, what these small mided people did not only endangered cyclist, but also the wildlife and livestock in the forest. If you are slowed down on a country road by a cyclist then good, speeding cars kill people and animals. If it takes you 10 minutes longer in your 4x4 to get to you champagne party on your yacht it wont kill you. Some cyclists are unsafe but at the end of the day the only life they really endanger is their own, but when you drive too fast in the forest you put others at risk. These people forget the income that visiting cyclist generate for the New Forest. Slow down, enjoy the view & get over yourself your journey is not more important than my life!! Drifterjoe5
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5:13pm Mon 15 Apr 13

andydixon says...

I really don't understand the attitudes of the minority of locals. What is their point? We live in the New Forest so no-one else can come here? We pay road tax so we own the road? It's our forest so we can pollute it with dangerous tacks? Everyone identified as involved with using threatening behaviour or littering/vandalism should be promptly prosecuted.
As for Miss Sibley, I suspect her nose was put out of joint as she hadn't organised the event.
I really don't understand the attitudes of the minority of locals. What is their point? We live in the New Forest so no-one else can come here? We pay road tax so we own the road? It's our forest so we can pollute it with dangerous tacks? Everyone identified as involved with using threatening behaviour or littering/vandalism should be promptly prosecuted. As for Miss Sibley, I suspect her nose was put out of joint as she hadn't organised the event. andydixon
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5:21pm Mon 15 Apr 13

andydixon says...

Strangely enough, my girlfriend and I had a day of cycling in the New Forest planned for the summer.
Somehow, I suspect we will be looking for somewhere more friendly.
Strangely enough, my girlfriend and I had a day of cycling in the New Forest planned for the summer. Somehow, I suspect we will be looking for somewhere more friendly. andydixon
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5:30pm Mon 15 Apr 13

manyogie says...

A small minority?
With over a 1000 signs damaged, that does'nt sound like the act of a 'small minority to me, anyway, these days, the minority rule!
A small minority? With over a 1000 signs damaged, that does'nt sound like the act of a 'small minority to me, anyway, these days, the minority rule! manyogie
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5:42pm Mon 15 Apr 13

loadabull says...

I know I posted my concern the other day, but I think that whoever is responsible for this, is incredibly cowardly and nasty.
What a hideous person they must be, to think that it is acceptable to scatter tacks onto the road. Once again one lunatic is likely to have destroyed any chance of dialogue between the parties concerned. The Forest is big enough and if well organised and marshalled the events should not be an issue.
I know I posted my concern the other day, but I think that whoever is responsible for this, is incredibly cowardly and nasty. What a hideous person they must be, to think that it is acceptable to scatter tacks onto the road. Once again one lunatic is likely to have destroyed any chance of dialogue between the parties concerned. The Forest is big enough and if well organised and marshalled the events should not be an issue. loadabull
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5:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Bob49 says...

"It seems for some people unless you ride a horse you are not welcome to the New Forest.

How much damage to the New Forest's reputation and of it's tourism industry have these people done?”"

and damage to the many walkways and footpaths as well.

For those who naively believe there isn't a 'them and us' mentality amongst some living out there then actions like these should suggest to them otherwise.

I suspect that had this been the result of activity from hunt saboteurs then certain sections of the media would have gone into meltdown in their negative portrayal of those responsible, but as this is the 'horsey set' little will be said.
"It seems for some people unless you ride a horse you are not welcome to the New Forest. How much damage to the New Forest's reputation and of it's tourism industry have these people done?”" and damage to the many walkways and footpaths as well. For those who naively believe there isn't a 'them and us' mentality amongst some living out there then actions like these should suggest to them otherwise. I suspect that had this been the result of activity from hunt saboteurs then certain sections of the media would have gone into meltdown in their negative portrayal of those responsible, but as this is the 'horsey set' little will be said. Bob49
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6:21pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Frank Spencer says...

PigWhistle0709 wrote:
As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.
Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too?
[quote][p][bold]PigWhistle0709[/bold] wrote: As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear. The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day. It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation. The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free. It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.[/p][/quote]Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too? Frank Spencer
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6:22pm Mon 15 Apr 13

ashleycross says...

It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area.
It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area. ashleycross
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6:27pm Mon 15 Apr 13

O'Reilly says...

Cripes!! this story could have been lifted from the Beano. Sounds like the kind of thing Dennis the Menace would get up to.
Cripes!! this story could have been lifted from the Beano. Sounds like the kind of thing Dennis the Menace would get up to. O'Reilly
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6:55pm Mon 15 Apr 13

eaststandman says...

ashleycross wrote:
It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area.
Clearly none of you were born, live or work in the New Forest.

Very few motorists or cyclists (who have all arrived in the forest by car by the way) have the ability to abide by the highway code.

Maybe all the 'inbred' visitors to the forest either by car or cycle could take their litter home - that would be less polluting!
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area.[/p][/quote]Clearly none of you were born, live or work in the New Forest. Very few motorists or cyclists (who have all arrived in the forest by car by the way) have the ability to abide by the highway code. Maybe all the 'inbred' visitors to the forest either by car or cycle could take their litter home - that would be less polluting! eaststandman
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7:08pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic says...

I think they need a new wind farm.
I think they need a new wind farm. Dorset Logic
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7:11pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic says...

Wonder which committee was behind this. Middle England, home of the good
Wonder which committee was behind this. Middle England, home of the good Dorset Logic
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7:14pm Mon 15 Apr 13

GAHmusic says...

Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists.
Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists. GAHmusic
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7:16pm Mon 15 Apr 13

retry69 says...

GAHmusic wrote:
Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists.
Obviously not taking this serious
[quote][p][bold]GAHmusic[/bold] wrote: Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists.[/p][/quote]Obviously not taking this serious retry69
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7:17pm Mon 15 Apr 13

GAHmusic says...

And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-)
And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-) GAHmusic
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7:30pm Mon 15 Apr 13

cycletourer says...

GAHmusic wrote:
And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-)
Agree and there are alot of bad on both sides.I see more bad road users on bicycles than i do in car users.Around the Charminster and Talbot Village area is very poor when it comes to bad cycling where you have a lot of students both foreign and home.
[quote][p][bold]GAHmusic[/bold] wrote: And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-)[/p][/quote]Agree and there are alot of bad on both sides.I see more bad road users on bicycles than i do in car users.Around the Charminster and Talbot Village area is very poor when it comes to bad cycling where you have a lot of students both foreign and home. cycletourer
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8:02pm Mon 15 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

Further to my criticism of some members of the NFEA. I think it pretty ironic they have this as their objectives:

"To preserve the tradition of freedom to ride in the New Forest without charge or restriction of access.

To liaise with the Forestry Commission, English Nature and other statutory bodies in the conservation of the New Forest and its wildlife.

To represent all who seek to ride in the New Forest."

So why are they trying to restrict the freedoms of cyclists? Seems a tad hypocritical no? I applaud their objectives, I don't object to any point and support them. But what is good for one...
Further to my criticism of some members of the NFEA. I think it pretty ironic they have this as their objectives: "To preserve the tradition of freedom to ride in the New Forest without charge or restriction of access. To liaise with the Forestry Commission, English Nature and other statutory bodies in the conservation of the New Forest and its wildlife. To represent all who seek to ride in the New Forest." So why are they trying to restrict the freedoms of cyclists? Seems a tad hypocritical no? I applaud their objectives, I don't object to any point and support them. But what is good for one... ForestGrump
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8:16pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Turtlebay says...

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.
"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals." No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us. Turtlebay
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8:20pm Mon 15 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

Intereseting point Turtlebay, but do you own the roads as well?
Intereseting point Turtlebay, but do you own the roads as well? ForestGrump
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8:20pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Mocov1 says...

Freddddd wrote:
I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy.
What a pity that one of our French neighbours won't be joining us for the May bank holiday! How will we cope?
[quote][p][bold]Freddddd[/bold] wrote: I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy.[/p][/quote]What a pity that one of our French neighbours won't be joining us for the May bank holiday! How will we cope? Mocov1
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9:21pm Mon 15 Apr 13

englandman05 says...

the roads are busy enough, how about a cross country route, making use of the miles and miles of forest that's available...
the roads are busy enough, how about a cross country route, making use of the miles and miles of forest that's available... englandman05
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9:22pm Mon 15 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

What I don't understand is if horse riding and cycling is such a dangerous combination. Why do we allow Horse and Cycle rides in the New Forest?

Are we not mad? Apparently the Rt. Hon. Desmond Swayne MP will be starting it. So I suppose it must be safe!

I am not knocking the great causes this event supports, just wondering why the horses aren't spooked by all the bikes at this event. Or is it just Sportive bikes and riders that send horses doolally?

It is for charity, so please do sign up!:

http://www.horseorcy
cle.co.uk/
What I don't understand is if horse riding and cycling is such a dangerous combination. Why do we allow Horse and Cycle rides in the New Forest? Are we not mad? Apparently the Rt. Hon. Desmond Swayne MP will be starting it. So I suppose it must be safe! I am not knocking the great causes this event supports, just wondering why the horses aren't spooked by all the bikes at this event. Or is it just Sportive bikes and riders that send horses doolally? It is for charity, so please do sign up!: http://www.horseorcy cle.co.uk/ ForestGrump
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9:44pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Gooby! says...

Turtlebay wrote:
"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.
Really? The roads are yours? Do you have some sort of "right" to them that other occupants of this country do not have. This ride was not cross country, this ride was not on mountain bikes across the commons. It was on the road.

I have no problem with the new forest not being a National Park. It is then land for building. You can live with that.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: "Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals." No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.[/p][/quote]Really? The roads are yours? Do you have some sort of "right" to them that other occupants of this country do not have. This ride was not cross country, this ride was not on mountain bikes across the commons. It was on the road. I have no problem with the new forest not being a National Park. It is then land for building. You can live with that. Gooby!
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1:18am Tue 16 Apr 13

PigWhistle0709 says...

Gooby! wrote:
PigWhistle0709 wrote:
As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.
No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun.

This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights.

I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say.
A race licence may very well be needed for a competition but if it is in effect a competition there's no difference if you can get away with saying it isn't one. The 'whole different set of equipment and far more dedication' is up to the individual whether in an officially recognised race / competition or out on their own for the day.
Everything else you menrtion - setting challenges, seeing new scenery, setting a new distance and improving your time and enjoying a new route on which you will see things you don't see every weekend - do not require that you do it at the same time as a few thousand others and pay some organisation for 'permission' to do it. You could just organise it for yourself.
I 'celebrate' my cycling mostly on my own and indulge in it regularly, get fitter as a result and find it 'fun' (except when a winter howling gale is head-on, I admit) but don't do it for sponsorship - it's my mode of transport. Maybe I'm not serious about it, then.
This wasn't a National Park until recently, it still is Crown Land and was / still is in part administered by the Forestry Comission and the Court of Verderers. It did not need a third layer of interference (NFNPA) and throughout has been available to any who wish to visit it. You always could come here and ride your sporty bike as much as you like, but it seems you chose not to until someone suggested you could do it in a crowd. Your very definition of it as a sport suggests competition.
If you read again you will see that I did not suggest less business, just that one variety is preferable to another, and it'snot a stupid thing to say just because you are abusive enough to say it is.
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PigWhistle0709[/bold] wrote: As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear. The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day. It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation. The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free. It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.[/p][/quote]No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun. This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights. I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say.[/p][/quote]A race licence may very well be needed for a competition but if it is in effect a competition there's no difference if you can get away with saying it isn't one. The 'whole different set of equipment and far more dedication' is up to the individual whether in an officially recognised race / competition or out on their own for the day. Everything else you menrtion - setting challenges, seeing new scenery, setting a new distance and improving your time and enjoying a new route on which you will see things you don't see every weekend - do not require that you do it at the same time as a few thousand others and pay some organisation for 'permission' to do it. You could just organise it for yourself. I 'celebrate' my cycling mostly on my own and indulge in it regularly, get fitter as a result and find it 'fun' (except when a winter howling gale is head-on, I admit) but don't do it for sponsorship - it's my mode of transport. Maybe I'm not serious about it, then. This wasn't a National Park until recently, it still is Crown Land and was / still is in part administered by the Forestry Comission and the Court of Verderers. It did not need a third layer of interference (NFNPA) and throughout has been available to any who wish to visit it. You always could come here and ride your sporty bike as much as you like, but it seems you chose not to until someone suggested you could do it in a crowd. Your very definition of it as a sport suggests competition. If you read again you will see that I did not suggest less business, just that one variety is preferable to another, and it'snot a stupid thing to say just because you are abusive enough to say it is. PigWhistle0709
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1:35am Tue 16 Apr 13

PigWhistle0709 says...

Dorset Logic wrote:
PigWhistle0709 says...
2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...



Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point.
My point is - I seem to have assumed you had basic knowledge of the Forest - that the place was established when Bill the Conqueror said "that's mine" and, with a few changes in attitude from preserving the deer for hunting to preserving the oaks for shipbuilding (back in the day, from our point of view), it has remained the same since.
My point, and my point again (since you ask twice) is to agree with your apparent first view that the Forest shouldn't be covered in houses and concrete - as you suggest the baby boomers would allow - but to disagree with your second that as we now have cars, bikes and an increasing population we should build on the thing and destroy that close on 1 000 years of relativly very stable environment that attracts both those who want to experience it and those who want to use it as a convenient open space.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote: PigWhistle0709 says... 2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13 Dorset Logic wrote: Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day? If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years. A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous... Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point.[/p][/quote]My point is - I seem to have assumed you had basic knowledge of the Forest - that the place was established when Bill the Conqueror said "that's mine" and, with a few changes in attitude from preserving the deer for hunting to preserving the oaks for shipbuilding (back in the day, from our point of view), it has remained the same since. My point, and my point again (since you ask twice) is to agree with your apparent first view that the Forest shouldn't be covered in houses and concrete - as you suggest the baby boomers would allow - but to disagree with your second that as we now have cars, bikes and an increasing population we should build on the thing and destroy that close on 1 000 years of relativly very stable environment that attracts both those who want to experience it and those who want to use it as a convenient open space. PigWhistle0709
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1:50am Tue 16 Apr 13

PigWhistle0709 says...

Frank Spencer wrote:
PigWhistle0709 wrote:
As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.
Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too?
I think so - there is little difference in the risk from perfectly legal traffic to cycle racers and to runners, so let massed cyling events - if we have to have them - be organised by (say) the NPA, or Forestry Commission, with closed roads and other safety arrangements in place and any profits accruing going to the public rather than the private sector. This would necessaily be done in full consultation with all concerned- 'stakeholders' is I understand the popular expression - and hence be more likely to reduce the potential for confrontation we have seen reported here
[quote][p][bold]Frank Spencer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PigWhistle0709[/bold] wrote: As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear. The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day. It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation. The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free. It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.[/p][/quote]Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too?[/p][/quote]I think so - there is little difference in the risk from perfectly legal traffic to cycle racers and to runners, so let massed cyling events - if we have to have them - be organised by (say) the NPA, or Forestry Commission, with closed roads and other safety arrangements in place and any profits accruing going to the public rather than the private sector. This would necessaily be done in full consultation with all concerned- 'stakeholders' is I understand the popular expression - and hence be more likely to reduce the potential for confrontation we have seen reported here PigWhistle0709
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3:03am Tue 16 Apr 13

andydixon says...

I have a suggestion. We need to implement a border. Let those that want to live in the forest do so and close them off. We can live the urban life with our supermarkets, shops etc. They can forage and ride horses and drive 4x4's around to their hearts content. Only allow people through (strictly on foot or horse, no tatty bicycles) with jerry cans to top up their fuel and charge tax for the 'border-crossing'.
P.s. Horsey types being innocent as they are worried about thumb-tacks? Have you seen what they hammer the shoes on with? It's a shame all wildlife, and indeed pets aren't so resiliant.
"Shame" is an appropriate word. I hope those responsible are reading this and feel some.
I have a suggestion. We need to implement a border. Let those that want to live in the forest do so and close them off. We can live the urban life with our supermarkets, shops etc. They can forage and ride horses and drive 4x4's around to their hearts content. Only allow people through (strictly on foot or horse, no tatty bicycles) with jerry cans to top up their fuel and charge tax for the 'border-crossing'. P.s. Horsey types being innocent as they are worried about thumb-tacks? Have you seen what they hammer the shoes on with? It's a shame all wildlife, and indeed pets aren't so resiliant. "Shame" is an appropriate word. I hope those responsible are reading this and feel some. andydixon
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3:08am Tue 16 Apr 13

portia6 says...

Property prices in Brockenhurst are
very expensive I hear.
Property prices in Brockenhurst are very expensive I hear. portia6
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9:01am Tue 16 Apr 13

Dorset Logic says...

always thought the forest was full of horse ....
always thought the forest was full of horse .... Dorset Logic
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9:03am Tue 16 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful.

As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop?

Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office?

Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone.

Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same.

Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise?

I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep.

"First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win."
~ Mahatma Gandhi
I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi ForestGrump
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10:05am Tue 16 Apr 13

johngoodger says...

The New forest is a National Park for the benefit of all - not a private domain just for people who actually live there.
Let's have many more events like this one which was excellently organised.
no noise, No emissions just people out to enjoy themselves.
The New forest is a National Park for the benefit of all - not a private domain just for people who actually live there. Let's have many more events like this one which was excellently organised. no noise, No emissions just people out to enjoy themselves. johngoodger
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1:25pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Arthur Maureen says...

Turtlebay wrote:
"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.
Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: "Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals." No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.[/p][/quote]Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it. Arthur Maureen
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1:59pm Tue 16 Apr 13

jadealana says...

Obviously the people who done this need to seriously get a life!! And some friends! They obviously have nothing in their lives and are extremely bored and have a pointless existence because why else would anyone do such a nasty, perfectic act likes this? What is going on with the world!?
Obviously the people who done this need to seriously get a life!! And some friends! They obviously have nothing in their lives and are extremely bored and have a pointless existence because why else would anyone do such a nasty, perfectic act likes this? What is going on with the world!? jadealana
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5:12pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Village Idiot says...

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!
You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here! The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings! Go break a spoke!!! Village Idiot
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7:43pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Arthur Maureen says...

Village Idiot wrote:
You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!
Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. Arthur
[quote][p][bold]Village Idiot[/bold] wrote: You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here! The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings! Go break a spoke!!![/p][/quote]Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. Arthur Arthur Maureen
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7:56pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Village Idiot says...

Arthur Maureen wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:
You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!
Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. Arthur
Numbskull, moron, inbred, troll, redneck!
Impressively descriptive of someone you've never met. Still I suppose you may say the same about my comments of some of you.
Having had published books of walking in the New Forest over the past 40 years I believe I have a right to my views without you reverting to name calling. I abhor hunting and do not own land within the New Forest, so am not feudal either.
Still, it takes all manner of folk to generate this amount of stupidity that you have brought upon yourself and the other cyclists with your 'holier than thou' attitude. Hey ho. I'm off to buy some more tacks, for my horseshoes!
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Maureen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Village Idiot[/bold] wrote: You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here! The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings! Go break a spoke!!![/p][/quote]Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. Arthur[/p][/quote]Numbskull, moron, inbred, troll, redneck! Impressively descriptive of someone you've never met. Still I suppose you may say the same about my comments of some of you. Having had published books of walking in the New Forest over the past 40 years I believe I have a right to my views without you reverting to name calling. I abhor hunting and do not own land within the New Forest, so am not feudal either. Still, it takes all manner of folk to generate this amount of stupidity that you have brought upon yourself and the other cyclists with your 'holier than thou' attitude. Hey ho. I'm off to buy some more tacks, for my horseshoes! Village Idiot
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8:21pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Turtlebay says...

Arthur Maureen wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.
Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.
I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst.

Arthur, perhaps you'd enjoy having access to your house blocked whilst 2000 cyclists ride past? Hmm?
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Maureen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: "Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals." No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.[/p][/quote]Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.[/p][/quote]I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst. Arthur, perhaps you'd enjoy having access to your house blocked whilst 2000 cyclists ride past? Hmm? Turtlebay
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8:21pm Tue 16 Apr 13

andydixon says...

Arthur, I suspect what the villiage idiot is saying is meant firmly 'tongue-in-cheek'. At least I certainly hope so! Either that or his name is truly fitting!
Turtlebay, good for you that you own your own NF (so apt!) property. Did the cyclists do any damage within it? Did they come jumping your fences and pulling wheelies on your front lawn? If not, but you don't like them anyway then I hope you can provide your number plate so that if you ever park in MY local town car park or in MY street then i can hammer nails through your tyres and give you a good slap when you get a puncture. Seems fair justice as most people don't fall off a car that's been maliciously vandalised. Maybe next tuesday would be a fitting time.
Arthur, I suspect what the villiage idiot is saying is meant firmly 'tongue-in-cheek'. At least I certainly hope so! Either that or his name is truly fitting! Turtlebay, good for you that you own your own NF (so apt!) property. Did the cyclists do any damage within it? Did they come jumping your fences and pulling wheelies on your front lawn? If not, but you don't like them anyway then I hope you can provide your number plate so that if you ever park in MY local town car park or in MY street then i can hammer nails through your tyres and give you a good slap when you get a puncture. Seems fair justice as most people don't fall off a car that's been maliciously vandalised. Maybe next tuesday would be a fitting time. andydixon
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10:04pm Tue 16 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

Village Idiot wrote:
You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!
LMLCAO (the LC stands for "lycra clad").

Genius, I repeat, Genius, Sir!

Monty Python have nothing on you.

You have made my day. Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Village Idiot[/bold] wrote: You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here! The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings! Go break a spoke!!![/p][/quote]LMLCAO (the LC stands for "lycra clad"). Genius, I repeat, Genius, Sir! Monty Python have nothing on you. You have made my day. Thank you. ForestGrump
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11:11am Wed 17 Apr 13

Arthur Maureen says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Arthur Maureen wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.
Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.
I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst.

Arthur, perhaps you'd enjoy having access to your house blocked whilst 2000 cyclists ride past? Hmm?
Get over this concept of you forest dwellers and the rest of the world!! you just live there, big deal! to make such a big thing of the ocassional weekend when events like these are held is petty, xenophobic and gives a really bad impression to others contemplating visiting the forest of the folk living within. You own your house, yes but fortunately the common land, roads etc etc NO and long may that continue.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur Maureen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: "Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals." No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.[/p][/quote]Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.[/p][/quote]I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst. Arthur, perhaps you'd enjoy having access to your house blocked whilst 2000 cyclists ride past? Hmm?[/p][/quote]Get over this concept of you forest dwellers and the rest of the world!! you just live there, big deal! to make such a big thing of the ocassional weekend when events like these are held is petty, xenophobic and gives a really bad impression to others contemplating visiting the forest of the folk living within. You own your house, yes but fortunately the common land, roads etc etc NO and long may that continue. Arthur Maureen
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11:52am Wed 17 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

The sad thing is that not every resident of the New Forest is opposed to it. Far from it!

It just seems that those who shout loudest are heard. Now the world can get to hear about how appalling a small minority (just like a small minority of cyclists) of New Forest residents can behave.

It is very sad. It is also extremely sad that not one New Forest MP has expressed their displeasure of these violent acts. Do they lack backbone? Moral fibre? Or do they really approve of the violence? We can only guess.

Do they want the New Forest to appear like some "Deliverance" like, no go backwater? It would appear so to me. Very sad. And absolutely dreadful for anyone relying on tourism. Which is about the only industry the area has. Shameful.

Dreadful news for the local people that need work. Delightful for anyone who have the luxury of owning a holiday home in the Forest, which it seems the MPs are really representing. 40% of property in Burley is a second home... The locals will have to go further and further to get work. Which is ironic when we could encourage more events like this. Oh, but then it would disturb the privileged few. Sorry forgot about that.

The MPs response? Roll tumbleweed soundtrack...
The sad thing is that not every resident of the New Forest is opposed to it. Far from it! It just seems that those who shout loudest are heard. Now the world can get to hear about how appalling a small minority (just like a small minority of cyclists) of New Forest residents can behave. It is very sad. It is also extremely sad that not one New Forest MP has expressed their displeasure of these violent acts. Do they lack backbone? Moral fibre? Or do they really approve of the violence? We can only guess. Do they want the New Forest to appear like some "Deliverance" like, no go backwater? It would appear so to me. Very sad. And absolutely dreadful for anyone relying on tourism. Which is about the only industry the area has. Shameful. Dreadful news for the local people that need work. Delightful for anyone who have the luxury of owning a holiday home in the Forest, which it seems the MPs are really representing. 40% of property in Burley is a second home... The locals will have to go further and further to get work. Which is ironic when we could encourage more events like this. Oh, but then it would disturb the privileged few. Sorry forgot about that. The MPs response? Roll tumbleweed soundtrack... ForestGrump
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11:58am Wed 17 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

Oh, just to make it clear. I live in the New Forest, pay council tax. My wife rides ponies, I cycle and we both drive cars.

We will be also be expressing our displeasure with the current MPs come voting time.
Oh, just to make it clear. I live in the New Forest, pay council tax. My wife rides ponies, I cycle and we both drive cars. We will be also be expressing our displeasure with the current MPs come voting time. ForestGrump
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1:29pm Wed 17 Apr 13

Trolley Cub says...

Times were when the poor lived in the country and the rich lived in the local manor,grand estate or castle.
Then the poor were removed and told to go live in the towns and cities.
In the south of England you have to be basically rich to live in the country, especially in the New Forest.
Obviously these protesters are outraged because they think that just because they live in the New Forest no one else has the right to be there.
Having lived in a town in the general area,I've experienced the backward, congenitally ignorant,sickening attitude these people come out with.
This ridiculous fracas says alot about the remaining state of the nation, especially in that part of the South.
Lets be honest,it has nothing to do with cyclists but it does seem very strange that at the moment the UK has some of the best cyclists sportsman in the world.
Other countries have major cycling sporting events that attract millions of viewers and tens of thousands of spectators,why not the New Forest, you are an embarrassment,shame on you!
Times were when the poor lived in the country and the rich lived in the local manor,grand estate or castle. Then the poor were removed and told to go live in the towns and cities. In the south of England you have to be basically rich to live in the country, especially in the New Forest. Obviously these protesters are outraged because they think that just because they live in the New Forest no one else has the right to be there. Having lived in a town in the general area,I've experienced the backward, congenitally ignorant,sickening attitude these people come out with. This ridiculous fracas says alot about the remaining state of the nation, especially in that part of the South. Lets be honest,it has nothing to do with cyclists but it does seem very strange that at the moment the UK has some of the best cyclists sportsman in the world. Other countries have major cycling sporting events that attract millions of viewers and tens of thousands of spectators,why not the New Forest, you are an embarrassment,shame on you! Trolley Cub
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1:48pm Wed 17 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

I agree, Sir. I think it has nothing whatsoever to do with cycling. It could have been any group.

I personally think it is a backlash to the anti-hunting, country sports laws etc.

"If we can't do our sport, let's not let anyone else have fun".

I could be wrong but that's what I believe.
I agree, Sir. I think it has nothing whatsoever to do with cycling. It could have been any group. I personally think it is a backlash to the anti-hunting, country sports laws etc. "If we can't do our sport, let's not let anyone else have fun". I could be wrong but that's what I believe. ForestGrump
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2:21pm Wed 17 Apr 13

Alfonso999 says...

I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks.
I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks. Alfonso999
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4:25pm Wed 17 Apr 13

Alfonso999 says...

ForestGrump wrote:
I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
Anyone know the address of UK Cycling in Fordingbridge? Can't seem to find it.Their registered address is Poole.
[quote][p][bold]ForestGrump[/bold] wrote: I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi[/p][/quote]Anyone know the address of UK Cycling in Fordingbridge? Can't seem to find it.Their registered address is Poole. Alfonso999
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5:56pm Wed 17 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

Alfonso999 wrote:
I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks.
Yes, it was a shame about the weather, and it looks like it still must be wet as the Mopley RC Showjumping Day on Sunday, April 21, 2013 has been cancelled also due to the wet ground conditions still at New Park.
[quote][p][bold]Alfonso999[/bold] wrote: I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks.[/p][/quote]Yes, it was a shame about the weather, and it looks like it still must be wet as the Mopley RC Showjumping Day on Sunday, April 21, 2013 has been cancelled also due to the wet ground conditions still at New Park. ForestGrump
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6:03pm Wed 17 Apr 13

ForestGrump says...

Alfonso999 wrote:
ForestGrump wrote:
I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
Anyone know the address of UK Cycling in Fordingbridge? Can't seem to find it.Their registered address is Poole.
The BBC and other media reported that they were in Fordingbridge.

You could try asking them:
http://www.ukcycling
events.co.uk/contact
/
[quote][p][bold]Alfonso999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForestGrump[/bold] wrote: I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi[/p][/quote]Anyone know the address of UK Cycling in Fordingbridge? Can't seem to find it.Their registered address is Poole.[/p][/quote]The BBC and other media reported that they were in Fordingbridge. You could try asking them: http://www.ukcycling events.co.uk/contact / ForestGrump
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6:15pm Wed 17 Apr 13

Alfonso999 says...

ForestGrump wrote:
Alfonso999 wrote:
ForestGrump wrote: I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
Anyone know the address of UK Cycling in Fordingbridge? Can't seem to find it.Their registered address is Poole.
The BBC and other media reported that they were in Fordingbridge. You could try asking them: http://www.ukcycling events.co.uk/contact /
No response. Just wondered if anyone knew...
[quote][p][bold]ForestGrump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfonso999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForestGrump[/bold] wrote: I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi[/p][/quote]Anyone know the address of UK Cycling in Fordingbridge? Can't seem to find it.Their registered address is Poole.[/p][/quote]The BBC and other media reported that they were in Fordingbridge. You could try asking them: http://www.ukcycling events.co.uk/contact /[/p][/quote]No response. Just wondered if anyone knew... Alfonso999
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9:10pm Wed 17 Apr 13

andydixon says...

I loved the comment about "Would you like 2000 cyclists riding past your house"
Absolutely classic! WAY better than anything Monty Python came up with. "Is it a cyclist? I believe so dear, he is on one of those penny parthings with both wheels the same size. Is he alive? No Dear, he isn't moving much and just fell off his saddle but that's because I tacked the road. Oh well, finish him orrff quickly with the range rover before anyone sees. LOL.
Remember, a lot of us town dwellers have far more than 2000 noisy, polluting cars a day passing our houses. ONE OF THEM IS PROBABLY YOURS. If you wish to swap your cars for cycles to come and visit our areas on a daily basis from monday to friday, I would really appreciate it. It would allow us to ride our bikes or walk around in comfort, quietness and safety. Possibly, one day the roads will be safe enough for you to come and ride your horses here.
I loved the comment about "Would you like 2000 cyclists riding past your house" Absolutely classic! WAY better than anything Monty Python came up with. "Is it a cyclist? I believe so dear, he is on one of those penny parthings with both wheels the same size. Is he alive? No Dear, he isn't moving much and just fell off his saddle but that's because I tacked the road. Oh well, finish him orrff quickly with the range rover before anyone sees. LOL. Remember, a lot of us town dwellers have far more than 2000 noisy, polluting cars a day passing our houses. ONE OF THEM IS PROBABLY YOURS. If you wish to swap your cars for cycles to come and visit our areas on a daily basis from monday to friday, I would really appreciate it. It would allow us to ride our bikes or walk around in comfort, quietness and safety. Possibly, one day the roads will be safe enough for you to come and ride your horses here. andydixon
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1:04pm Thu 18 Apr 13

Dorset Logic says...

It's coming to me.
I'm getting,

A strong smell of silk cravat,
Mixed with a tinge of Subaru Forester,
colluding with a slight dose of Wallflower intertwined with cat repellent.
Notes of a strong Daily Mail belief in ones perceived rights being infringed
and a strong nose that leans towards a sadness that one didn't think of the idea themselves and take the cash.
All this is melded with an overpowering bouquet of Xenaphobia which doesn't break down or mellow with age.
It's coming to me. I'm getting, A strong smell of silk cravat, Mixed with a tinge of Subaru Forester, colluding with a slight dose of Wallflower intertwined with cat repellent. Notes of a strong Daily Mail belief in ones perceived rights being infringed and a strong nose that leans towards a sadness that one didn't think of the idea themselves and take the cash. All this is melded with an overpowering bouquet of Xenaphobia which doesn't break down or mellow with age. Dorset Logic
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3:34pm Thu 18 Apr 13

Alfonso999 says...

Did someone suggest reintroducing the Poll Tax or did I miss something?Why make comments personal?
Did someone suggest reintroducing the Poll Tax or did I miss something?Why make comments personal? Alfonso999
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1:27pm Sat 20 Apr 13

ekimnoslen says...

purbeckgirl wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?
Why do they not ride on the footpaths in the usual way?
[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote: I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Why do they not ride on the footpaths in the usual way? ekimnoslen
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