Visiting vessels? They’ve not been moved in years: legal action taken over Poole Quay Boat Haven

Bournemouth Echo: Malcolm Shakesby; Rodney Pattison; Dave Wilson, regional director MDL; John Smith; Eamonn Feeney, managing director of MDL Marinas Group; front Robin Culpan, director Dorset Lake Shipyard and Lorraine Murdoch Malcolm Shakesby; Rodney Pattison; Dave Wilson, regional director MDL; John Smith; Eamonn Feeney, managing director of MDL Marinas Group; front Robin Culpan, director Dorset Lake Shipyard and Lorraine Murdoch

FOUR Poole Harbour businesses have begun legal action to take the council to court over the boat haven on the quay.

The marinas and boatyards are seeking a judicial review at the High Court in a bid to confirm what constitutes a “visiting vessel”.

They claim the Poole Quay Boat Haven, now owned by Poole Harbour Commissioners, moors boats that have not been moved for years, is competing with their business and stagnating the vitality of the waterfront.

Salterns Marina at Lilliput and three Hamworthy concerns Davis’s Boatyard, Cobbs Quay and Dorset Lake Shipyard are seeking a judicial review, with a short hearing due on May 24, which they hope will lead to a full case.

However Borough of Poole says it is close to a new legal agreement and hopes to avoid costly court action.

John Smith, managing director of Salterns Marina said: “I want the visitor’s haven to be operating for visitors, so it’s a busy, vibrant facility which benefits the whole of Poole.”

Eamonn Feeney, managing director of MDL Marinas Group which owns Cobbs Quay said: “We are a group of local business people who have been forced to go to court to get common sense and fair play restored. We hope the judge sees it the way we do.”

Robin Culpan, director of Dorset Lake Shipyard said other south coast marinas had restrictions of a week or slightly longer for visiting yachts. “There are so many permanent boats in there,” he said.

Lorraine Murdoch, partner in Davis’s Boatyard said they had fought against a large marina 31 years ago, “Because of it ruining all our businesses. Here we are fighting it again.”

The group’s solicitor, Paul Thomas said: “We are asking the judge for a definition of what the words ‘visiting vessel’ means. The judge has already indicated it is not a three-month rolling contract.”

*The original 106 planning agreement signed in 2000 by Borough of Poole, Poole Harbour Commissioners and Poole and District Fishermen’s Association stated that from April to October all of the berths must be available for visiting vessels.

“There was never a definition of what a visiting vessel was. It fell short, it was defective,” said Andy Dearing, Borough of Poole planning enforcement manager.

He said: “During the summer I was satisfied there were enough berths for visiting vessels. I never received any complaints from people visiting by boat that they couldn’t get into the boat haven.”

Now negotiating with the original signatories on a new 106 agreement, which would give a visiting vessel a maximum stay of 30 nights between April and October, and reduce the number of visitor berths from 105 to 80.

Jim Stewart, chief executive of Poole Harbour Commissioners said they were in talks with Borough of Poole and other parties to try to find a solution.

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5:19pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Old Colonial says...

Thank you all, and more power to your elbows.

As a small boat owner it was beginning to look as though the Haven was becoming a cross between a car park for the super-yacht fraternity, and a used boat lot for Sunseeker.

Let's see some 'real' boats in there and give the quay back its atmosphere.
Thank you all, and more power to your elbows. As a small boat owner it was beginning to look as though the Haven was becoming a cross between a car park for the super-yacht fraternity, and a used boat lot for Sunseeker. Let's see some 'real' boats in there and give the quay back its atmosphere. Old Colonial

6:53pm Tue 9 Apr 13

i have heard it all now says...

Best of luck to you all,The Harbour Board will be satisfied when they have a Marina from the Quay across to Brownsea.
Best of luck to you all,The Harbour Board will be satisfied when they have a Marina from the Quay across to Brownsea. i have heard it all now

7:04pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Fishermansfriend1979 says...

Its about time someone stood up to the Harbour commissioners they seem to rail road plans through for their own gain as a local lad who grow up using our beautiful harbour and love it for what it is. Lets attract more visitors in the summer months to enjoy Poole the visitors marina is always full with same boats that never move. Who are the commissioners are they local? did they grow up on and around the harbour? The Harbour Master is from Scotland! Do they care like us
Its about time someone stood up to the Harbour commissioners they seem to rail road plans through for their own gain as a local lad who grow up using our beautiful harbour and love it for what it is. Lets attract more visitors in the summer months to enjoy Poole the visitors marina is always full with same boats that never move. Who are the commissioners are they local? did they grow up on and around the harbour? The Harbour Master is from Scotland! Do they care like us Fishermansfriend1979

7:11pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Reader Echo says...

This is the best news I have heard on the new PHC marina.

I hope the judicial review will go a long way to prevent PHC ever being able to destroy the harbour how they want to.

All that drives PHC is money and pure greed!
This is the best news I have heard on the new PHC marina. I hope the judicial review will go a long way to prevent PHC ever being able to destroy the harbour how they want to. All that drives PHC is money and pure greed! Reader Echo

7:28pm Tue 9 Apr 13

hiphiphooray says...

My family and I have enjoyed boating in Poole harbour for many years. Many times over the last few summers I have seen a "FULL" board at the entrance to the Poole Quay Yacht Haven...only to see that the majority of the boats in there are the same ones that are there all year round! NOT visitors! I've rarely seen people even aboard many of these vessels. I'm sure that the businesses on Poole quay would welcome a marina that can welcome many more visitors to Poole..we have seen many businesses struggling since the PYH marina has allowed permanent berths which restricts hugely the amount of visiting boats to Poole. This should be about the people and for the good of Poole. The purpose of the marina is to attract visitors not restrict them. Bring back visitors and here's to those individuals and businesses for standing up this ludicrous situation and speaking for the majority of us.
My family and I have enjoyed boating in Poole harbour for many years. Many times over the last few summers I have seen a "FULL" board at the entrance to the Poole Quay Yacht Haven...only to see that the majority of the boats in there are the same ones that are there all year round! NOT visitors! I've rarely seen people even aboard many of these vessels. I'm sure that the businesses on Poole quay would welcome a marina that can welcome many more visitors to Poole..we have seen many businesses struggling since the PYH marina has allowed permanent berths which restricts hugely the amount of visiting boats to Poole. This should be about the people and for the good of Poole. The purpose of the marina is to attract visitors not restrict them. Bring back visitors and here's to those individuals and businesses for standing up this ludicrous situation and speaking for the majority of us. hiphiphooray

7:48pm Tue 9 Apr 13

ts12345 says...

I was stood by the marina office only yesterday and on the side it also quote 125 visitor berths, I thought to my self those boats have been there for years. It is more like 20 visitor berths.
You can even rent the berths yearly so I don't think it is right, an when ever I take my boat there it is always full with the same boats.
Be good this summer if it is avalible to use.
Shame we can't beet against the quay? Who owns the signs that says no berthing along the quay, something should be done.
I was stood by the marina office only yesterday and on the side it also quote 125 visitor berths, I thought to my self those boats have been there for years. It is more like 20 visitor berths. You can even rent the berths yearly so I don't think it is right, an when ever I take my boat there it is always full with the same boats. Be good this summer if it is avalible to use. Shame we can't beet against the quay? Who owns the signs that says no berthing along the quay, something should be done. ts12345

8:07pm Tue 9 Apr 13

rotcoddam says...

Trouble is that like so uch legislation an amount of common sense should be applied. To say it was badly done because the concept of what a visitor was was not clearly defined is total and complete nonsense any sane person understands visitors do not stay for protracted periods.
Trouble is that like so uch legislation an amount of common sense should be applied. To say it was badly done because the concept of what a visitor was was not clearly defined is total and complete nonsense any sane person understands visitors do not stay for protracted periods. rotcoddam

8:54pm Tue 9 Apr 13

drmiss79 says...

Great news, the majority of those boats are not visitors and should be moored elsewhere. PHC have been bullies for too long.
Great news, the majority of those boats are not visitors and should be moored elsewhere. PHC have been bullies for too long. drmiss79

11:21pm Tue 9 Apr 13

ashleycross says...

Could they also mention that Poole council doesn't bother enforcing the non smoking or littering legislation on their own property, the bus station, whilst they are bringing this action over the council not enforcing the planning restrictions on Poole Harbour Commissioners.
Could they also mention that Poole council doesn't bother enforcing the non smoking or littering legislation on their own property, the bus station, whilst they are bringing this action over the council not enforcing the planning restrictions on Poole Harbour Commissioners. ashleycross

11:23pm Tue 9 Apr 13

ashleycross says...

And where does the council's tourism department stand on all this?
And where does the council's tourism department stand on all this? ashleycross

11:33pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Yankee1 says...

ashleycross wrote:
And where does the council's tourism department stand on all this?
It is declaring Poole a 'world class tourist centre' on a par with Cannes, Palm Beach or Barcelona. After all, its members 'hold portfolios'.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: And where does the council's tourism department stand on all this?[/p][/quote]It is declaring Poole a 'world class tourist centre' on a par with Cannes, Palm Beach or Barcelona. After all, its members 'hold portfolios'. Yankee1

7:24am Wed 10 Apr 13

ashleycross says...

Perhaps the owners of fishy fishy should join in this action and ask for damages as compensation for their restaurant going bust, so should the owners of the units that won't rent out.
I used to love the south east asian restaurant that was on the first floor looking over the harbour but that has gone. Visiting yachts on the quay might have improved the trade there as well
Perhaps the owners of fishy fishy should join in this action and ask for damages as compensation for their restaurant going bust, so should the owners of the units that won't rent out. I used to love the south east asian restaurant that was on the first floor looking over the harbour but that has gone. Visiting yachts on the quay might have improved the trade there as well ashleycross

7:24am Wed 10 Apr 13

ashleycross says...

Perhaps the owners of fishy fishy should join in this action and ask for damages as compensation for their restaurant going bust, so should the owners of the units that won't rent out.
I used to love the south east asian restaurant that was on the first floor looking over the harbour but that has gone. Visiting yachts on the quay might have improved the trade there as well
Perhaps the owners of fishy fishy should join in this action and ask for damages as compensation for their restaurant going bust, so should the owners of the units that won't rent out. I used to love the south east asian restaurant that was on the first floor looking over the harbour but that has gone. Visiting yachts on the quay might have improved the trade there as well ashleycross

7:52am Wed 10 Apr 13

master plan says...

Working on yachts all my working life so I have seen a lot and I'm sure poole boat haven has only 8 visiting berths well that's only because Sunseeker use them all the others have had the same boats for years!
Working on yachts all my working life so I have seen a lot and I'm sure poole boat haven has only 8 visiting berths well that's only because Sunseeker use them all the others have had the same boats for years! master plan

8:42am Wed 10 Apr 13

ashleycross says...

If all the businesses that have lost trade over this alleged practice join in the action and ask for damages that might get things moving. Damages are available in a judicial review action and other parties can ask to be joined to the action. Mentioning the fact that visiting yachts can no longer along the quay as they used to do, making it a thriving vibrant place on a summers evening would be useful. It probably explains the shift to ashley cross now that the quay is dull as ditch water because of this.
If all the businesses that have lost trade over this alleged practice join in the action and ask for damages that might get things moving. Damages are available in a judicial review action and other parties can ask to be joined to the action. Mentioning the fact that visiting yachts can no longer along the quay as they used to do, making it a thriving vibrant place on a summers evening would be useful. It probably explains the shift to ashley cross now that the quay is dull as ditch water because of this. ashleycross

8:57am Wed 10 Apr 13

Fishermansfriend1979 says...

ashleycross wrote:
If all the businesses that have lost trade over this alleged practice join in the action and ask for damages that might get things moving. Damages are available in a judicial review action and other parties can ask to be joined to the action. Mentioning the fact that visiting yachts can no longer along the quay as they used to do, making it a thriving vibrant place on a summers evening would be useful. It probably explains the shift to ashley cross now that the quay is dull as ditch water because of this.
The local shops bars and restaurants should get behind this, what if the new big marina goes ahead parking in the town is bad enough without 900 new boat owners. Also perminate boats don't bring tade to the quay people will get on their and go else where that's what they are for!!! Visitors is what we need!!!
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: If all the businesses that have lost trade over this alleged practice join in the action and ask for damages that might get things moving. Damages are available in a judicial review action and other parties can ask to be joined to the action. Mentioning the fact that visiting yachts can no longer along the quay as they used to do, making it a thriving vibrant place on a summers evening would be useful. It probably explains the shift to ashley cross now that the quay is dull as ditch water because of this.[/p][/quote]The local shops bars and restaurants should get behind this, what if the new big marina goes ahead parking in the town is bad enough without 900 new boat owners. Also perminate boats don't bring tade to the quay people will get on their and go else where that's what they are for!!! Visitors is what we need!!! Fishermansfriend1979

9:15am Wed 10 Apr 13

johnny j says...

The coucil and especialy PHC are both ageing dinosaurs who are both clutching at straws in their battle for a quick buck.
The demise of the Quay area has been dramitic over the last few years.
The footfall is down year on year and it would seem to me, that one of the ways to generate, at least some increase in this would be to encourage visiting boats, both big and small.
As a keen boater I have seen the "Marina Full" sign many times, including last year, which wasnt a particulaly good one weather wise!!
I walk past Poole Quay Boat Haven many times in a week and see tha same boats, month after month, infact there is one boat that I beleive to be a President motor Yacht that is berthed near to the quay wall that looks like a "live aboard" as most evenings the lights are on, as is the TV!!!!!
The irony of the picture of Jim Stewart in the Echo yesterday, shows him inset into a general shot of the marina, and guess what, I believe the Sunseeker behind him is a permanent berth holder!!!!
I REST MY CASE.
Good luck to the local private companies taking on these DINOSAURS, who are killing the Town, tourism and the Harbour.
I FEEL SMOKE ON THE WATER!
The coucil and especialy PHC are both ageing dinosaurs who are both clutching at straws in their battle for a quick buck. The demise of the Quay area has been dramitic over the last few years. The footfall is down year on year and it would seem to me, that one of the ways to generate, at least some increase in this would be to encourage visiting boats, both big and small. As a keen boater I have seen the "Marina Full" sign many times, including last year, which wasnt a particulaly good one weather wise!! I walk past Poole Quay Boat Haven many times in a week and see tha same boats, month after month, infact there is one boat that I beleive to be a President motor Yacht that is berthed near to the quay wall that looks like a "live aboard" as most evenings the lights are on, as is the TV!!!!! The irony of the picture of Jim Stewart in the Echo yesterday, shows him inset into a general shot of the marina, and guess what, I believe the Sunseeker behind him is a permanent berth holder!!!! I REST MY CASE. Good luck to the local private companies taking on these DINOSAURS, who are killing the Town, tourism and the Harbour. I FEEL SMOKE ON THE WATER! johnny j

10:24am Wed 10 Apr 13

Poole Harbour Girl says...

Just STOP PBC and PHC!!! You’ve had it your own way for long enough. You’ve blundered on without any thought or consideration, feathering your own nest and it’s time for you to be held accountable for your actions and not compound your errors with further unwarranted development regarding waterside services. A ‘visitor’ by definition is someone who stays for a short period, but you seemed to have turned a blind eye to this. With your fanciful ideas of developing a new marina for the future….what are you thinking! Wake up and smell the …..RECESSION! You need to start listening to the businesses around you who are already aware of just how difficult it is in the current financial climate and look at a practicable strategy and make sure that volume and value add up without detriment to existing businesses. Enough is enough!
Just STOP PBC and PHC!!! You’ve had it your own way for long enough. You’ve blundered on without any thought or consideration, feathering your own nest and it’s time for you to be held accountable for your actions and not compound your errors with further unwarranted development regarding waterside services. A ‘visitor’ by definition is someone who stays for a short period, but you seemed to have turned a blind eye to this. With your fanciful ideas of developing a new marina for the future….what are you thinking! Wake up and smell the …..RECESSION! You need to start listening to the businesses around you who are already aware of just how difficult it is in the current financial climate and look at a practicable strategy and make sure that volume and value add up without detriment to existing businesses. Enough is enough! Poole Harbour Girl

11:37am Wed 10 Apr 13

master plan says...

Here you go a customer of mine from Guernsey has phoned me he is sailing his predator108 Sunseeker over next week and low and behold there are no visitor berths at poole boat haven so southampton or lymington will benefit from his daily fee.
Here you go a customer of mine from Guernsey has phoned me he is sailing his predator108 Sunseeker over next week and low and behold there are no visitor berths at poole boat haven so southampton or lymington will benefit from his daily fee. master plan

11:41am Wed 10 Apr 13

apm1954 says...

what did you expect i at the time was the only cllr that stood up against the marina you could say i told you so
what did you expect i at the time was the only cllr that stood up against the marina you could say i told you so apm1954

11:44am Wed 10 Apr 13

johnny j says...

Here you go a customer of mine from Guernsey has phoned me he is sailing his predator108 Sunseeker over next week and low and behold there are no visitor berths at poole boat haven so southampton or lymington will benefit from his daily fee.”
Ask your customer to contact one of the far superior, privately run, marinas in Poole, who have better facilities anyway.
Here you go a customer of mine from Guernsey has phoned me he is sailing his predator108 Sunseeker over next week and low and behold there are no visitor berths at poole boat haven so southampton or lymington will benefit from his daily fee.” Ask your customer to contact one of the far superior, privately run, marinas in Poole, who have better facilities anyway. johnny j

12:28pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Poole Mariner says...

Finally someone has the guts to stand up to the Harbour commissioners. They do not have Poole Harbour's best interests at heart, they are only concerned with making a profit, even if its at the expense of Poole Quay and the long established Marina operators that have been successfully servicing the mariners of Poole for many years.
Poole Quay has been dying of death for many years, and the breach of the 106 agreement is clearly adding to this, keeping away visitors, and filling the marina with long terms boats. I wish that a consortium of business owners on the quay that are suffering would join this fight!!!!!
Finally someone has the guts to stand up to the Harbour commissioners. They do not have Poole Harbour's best interests at heart, they are only concerned with making a profit, even if its at the expense of Poole Quay and the long established Marina operators that have been successfully servicing the mariners of Poole for many years. Poole Quay has been dying of death for many years, and the breach of the 106 agreement is clearly adding to this, keeping away visitors, and filling the marina with long terms boats. I wish that a consortium of business owners on the quay that are suffering would join this fight!!!!! Poole Mariner

12:32pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Poole Mariner says...

And how fitting that the picture of Poole harbour commisioner JIM STEWART featured in this story shows one of the boats that has been moored there for over 5 years lol.... Caught Red Handed!!!!!!! Shame on you PHC
And how fitting that the picture of Poole harbour commisioner JIM STEWART featured in this story shows one of the boats that has been moored there for over 5 years lol.... Caught Red Handed!!!!!!! Shame on you PHC Poole Mariner

12:41pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Jolly Pirate says...

I remember when PHC first proposed this Marina many years ago, it was a very unpopular move back then, and they managed to sway public opinion because it was for 'visitors ony'. This was to bring extra business to the quay and to prevent the problems of boats mooring 3,4 or even 5 a breast along the quay.
Well surprise surprise PHC have lied through their teeth and have been caught breaking the rules for their own personal gain, and at the detriment of the quay and the other marine operators in the harbour. The commisioners job is to run a TRUST PORT, not to become a commercial entity which ruins other business and goes into direct competition with their own stakeholders, what the hell is going on? I think its time for a shake up!!!!
I remember when PHC first proposed this Marina many years ago, it was a very unpopular move back then, and they managed to sway public opinion because it was for 'visitors ony'. This was to bring extra business to the quay and to prevent the problems of boats mooring 3,4 or even 5 a breast along the quay. Well surprise surprise PHC have lied through their teeth and have been caught breaking the rules for their own personal gain, and at the detriment of the quay and the other marine operators in the harbour. The commisioners job is to run a TRUST PORT, not to become a commercial entity which ruins other business and goes into direct competition with their own stakeholders, what the hell is going on? I think its time for a shake up!!!! Jolly Pirate

12:51pm Wed 10 Apr 13

johnny j says...

In response to many other posters on here.
I am sure that many of the business owners along the quay are not aware of PHCs "massaging".
I am sure that if they were, then there could be a serious escalation of "SMOKE ON THE WATER"
I will personally make some of them aware of the situation, as I know most of them anyway.
Could be interesting!
In response to many other posters on here. I am sure that many of the business owners along the quay are not aware of PHCs "massaging". I am sure that if they were, then there could be a serious escalation of "SMOKE ON THE WATER" I will personally make some of them aware of the situation, as I know most of them anyway. Could be interesting! johnny j

12:58pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Jolly Pirate says...

johnny j wrote:
In response to many other posters on here.
I am sure that many of the business owners along the quay are not aware of PHCs "massaging".
I am sure that if they were, then there could be a serious escalation of "SMOKE ON THE WATER"
I will personally make some of them aware of the situation, as I know most of them anyway.
Could be interesting!
Johnny, please tell us more about this 'Massaging'??
[quote][p][bold]johnny j[/bold] wrote: In response to many other posters on here. I am sure that many of the business owners along the quay are not aware of PHCs "massaging". I am sure that if they were, then there could be a serious escalation of "SMOKE ON THE WATER" I will personally make some of them aware of the situation, as I know most of them anyway. Could be interesting![/p][/quote]Johnny, please tell us more about this 'Massaging'?? Jolly Pirate

1:42pm Wed 10 Apr 13

johnny j says...

Jolly Pirate wrote:
johnny j wrote:
In response to many other posters on here.
I am sure that many of the business owners along the quay are not aware of PHCs "massaging".
I am sure that if they were, then there could be a serious escalation of "SMOKE ON THE WATER"
I will personally make some of them aware of the situation, as I know most of them anyway.
Could be interesting!
Johnny, please tell us more about this 'Massaging'??
"Massaging" the truth for their own financial greed and gain.
Their revenues have fallen so much that PHC have had to stoop to underhand tactics, whilst they clutch at straws.
[quote][p][bold]Jolly Pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny j[/bold] wrote: In response to many other posters on here. I am sure that many of the business owners along the quay are not aware of PHCs "massaging". I am sure that if they were, then there could be a serious escalation of "SMOKE ON THE WATER" I will personally make some of them aware of the situation, as I know most of them anyway. Could be interesting![/p][/quote]Johnny, please tell us more about this 'Massaging'??[/p][/quote]"Massaging" the truth for their own financial greed and gain. Their revenues have fallen so much that PHC have had to stoop to underhand tactics, whilst they clutch at straws. johnny j

2:16pm Wed 10 Apr 13

waterlilly says...

Surely any idiot knows what a visiting boat is............... accept Andy Dearing, the Enforcement Team Manager of Poole Council.

How can the council let this happen?
Surely any idiot knows what a visiting boat is............... accept Andy Dearing, the Enforcement Team Manager of Poole Council. How can the council let this happen? waterlilly

2:23pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Jolly Pirate says...

It seems that PHC are totally incapable of running a Marina for Visitors, so Poole Council have allowed this to happen to avoid a massive financial blunder and egg on their faces
It seems that PHC are totally incapable of running a Marina for Visitors, so Poole Council have allowed this to happen to avoid a massive financial blunder and egg on their faces Jolly Pirate

2:32pm Wed 10 Apr 13

BournemouthLocal says...

This is brilliant news! Good luck I say!
It would be great for Poole Quay tourism to actually have a visiting berth area that you can actually visit!!!! Many a time we have wanted to moor up at the quay to go for a bite to eat after a day out on the water and not been able too. Yarmouth have got it right - Poole take some notice!!!
This is brilliant news! Good luck I say! It would be great for Poole Quay tourism to actually have a visiting berth area that you can actually visit!!!! Many a time we have wanted to moor up at the quay to go for a bite to eat after a day out on the water and not been able too. Yarmouth have got it right - Poole take some notice!!! BournemouthLocal

2:46pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Fishermansfriend1979 says...

Jolly Pirate wrote:
It seems that PHC are totally incapable of running a Marina for Visitors, so Poole Council have allowed this to happen to avoid a massive financial blunder and egg on their faces
So the planning department turn a blind eye because the harbour commissioners Are not able to make money running visitors Marina!! I'm struggling for cash at the moment perhaps I'll build a block of flats in my back garden they won't mind will they!! What a joke!!
[quote][p][bold]Jolly Pirate[/bold] wrote: It seems that PHC are totally incapable of running a Marina for Visitors, so Poole Council have allowed this to happen to avoid a massive financial blunder and egg on their faces[/p][/quote]So the planning department turn a blind eye because the harbour commissioners Are not able to make money running visitors Marina!! I'm struggling for cash at the moment perhaps I'll build a block of flats in my back garden they won't mind will they!! What a joke!! Fishermansfriend1979

2:56pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Jolly Pirate says...

BournemouthLocal wrote:
This is brilliant news! Good luck I say!
It would be great for Poole Quay tourism to actually have a visiting berth area that you can actually visit!!!! Many a time we have wanted to moor up at the quay to go for a bite to eat after a day out on the water and not been able too. Yarmouth have got it right - Poole take some notice!!!
Heres another working example of a potential visitor that has had trouble of mooring at Poole Quay!!
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthLocal[/bold] wrote: This is brilliant news! Good luck I say! It would be great for Poole Quay tourism to actually have a visiting berth area that you can actually visit!!!! Many a time we have wanted to moor up at the quay to go for a bite to eat after a day out on the water and not been able too. Yarmouth have got it right - Poole take some notice!!![/p][/quote]Heres another working example of a potential visitor that has had trouble of mooring at Poole Quay!! Jolly Pirate

3:07pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Fishermansfriend1979 says...

waterlilly wrote:
Surely any idiot knows what a visiting boat is............... accept Andy Dearing, the Enforcement Team Manager of Poole Council.

How can the council let this happen?
I expect a little "private deal" will be done behind the scenes and the planning permission changed.

Why am I so cynical! Is it even legal if it's not the good of the businesses on poole quay.
[quote][p][bold]waterlilly[/bold] wrote: Surely any idiot knows what a visiting boat is............... accept Andy Dearing, the Enforcement Team Manager of Poole Council. How can the council let this happen?[/p][/quote]I expect a little "private deal" will be done behind the scenes and the planning permission changed. Why am I so cynical! Is it even legal if it's not the good of the businesses on poole quay. Fishermansfriend1979

4:02pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Poole Harbour Girl says...

"It is the responsibility of Poole Harbour Commissioners to ensure that all the varied interests of the port operate in harmony, both for the common good and for the long-term sustainability of the whole harbour and its stakeholders."

PHC is a trust port - not much TRUST being shown at this moment in time.
"It is the responsibility of Poole Harbour Commissioners to ensure that all the varied interests of the port operate in harmony, both for the common good and for the long-term sustainability of the whole harbour and its stakeholders." PHC is a trust port - not much TRUST being shown at this moment in time. Poole Harbour Girl

4:08pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Jolly Pirate says...

The marine businesses in Poole have trusted PHC to look after and monitor the harbour for all, but instead what they're doing is trying to build a monopoly to drive others out of business
The marine businesses in Poole have trusted PHC to look after and monitor the harbour for all, but instead what they're doing is trying to build a monopoly to drive others out of business Jolly Pirate

6:48pm Wed 10 Apr 13

ashleycross says...

Anyone putting on a coach trip up to the Royal Courts of Justice to see this preliminary hearing then? Should be a great atmosphere in the public gallery. Maybe something for the new chamber of commerce?
Anyone putting on a coach trip up to the Royal Courts of Justice to see this preliminary hearing then? Should be a great atmosphere in the public gallery. Maybe something for the new chamber of commerce? ashleycross

9:22am Thu 11 Apr 13

Red Leader 1 says...

The ambiance of Poole Quay disappeared when this maritime "car park" and associated quayside building monstrosity appeared, catering for rich incomers at the expense of local people.

No surprise with the recession that other marina's are looking around to try and bolster their incomes while PHC presses on with their plan to quadruple the size of their operation at the Quay.

I suggest that if those businesses want some answers to their questions, they should direct their questions to the gent on their right in the photo. After all, he presided over the PHC operation for many years as its chairman. Maybe they already have!
The ambiance of Poole Quay disappeared when this maritime "car park" and associated quayside building monstrosity appeared, catering for rich incomers at the expense of local people. No surprise with the recession that other marina's are looking around to try and bolster their incomes while PHC presses on with their plan to quadruple the size of their operation at the Quay. I suggest that if those businesses want some answers to their questions, they should direct their questions to the gent on their right in the photo. After all, he presided over the PHC operation for many years as its chairman. Maybe they already have! Red Leader 1

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