Cyclists fury as crash driver escapes court action

Mike Anwyll with his damaged bike

Mike Anwyll with his damaged bike

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A CYCLIST who was knocked over in a designated cycle lane has hit out at the punishment meted out to the driver.

Mike Anwyll needed hospital treatment for cuts and bruises and his bike was a write-off after the accident on Gravel Hill.

But Mike was staggered to learn from Dorset Police that the woman driver had been offered a Driver Awareness Course.

The 51-year-old electrician said: “It felt like a bomb had gone off under the bike – I didn’t realise what had happened at first.

“My issue is not really with the driver. It’s with the police over the lack of consistency in these things.

“For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport.

“On the other hand, I get knocked over by someone who loses control, mounts the pavement and crosses a grass verge on to the designated cycle path. This doesn’t make sense.”

In a letter to Mike, a Dorset Police official said: “I have concluded that the driver was sufficiently blameworthy to justify further police action.

“In view of the poor driving judgement shown, I intend to make an offer of attendance on a driver awareness course.  

The letter also states: “While there is sufficient evidence to justify a prosecution, there is no provision in law for a magistrate to order such retraining and the imposition of a fine and penalty points will not do anything to correct poor driving habits.”

Mike, who cycles to work every day added: “I find that a really strange admission to make, that fines and points don’t have any effect as far as driving habits are concerned.”

He said the woman had blamed a steering problem for the incident, but there now seemed to be no evidence of that.

He has 21 days to respond to police with his views.

A spokesman for Dorset Police refused to discuss individual cases but said: “Every case is different and all the evidence will have been looked at.”

DORSET Police decided the driver in Mike Anwyll’s collision met the criteria for a driver awareness course.

This criteria included the fact that police felt there was enough evidence to prove she was driving without due care and attention and could be prosecuted in a magistrates’ court.

This could still happen if the driver does not pay for and attend the course. The collision had to be non-injury or slight injury to qualify – Mr Anwyll was recorded as suffering slight injury.

The driver awareness course is a national government initiative designed to be more effective than a fine and penalty points in effecting future driver behaviour.

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9:02am Tue 26 Mar 13

jeebuscripes says...

Mike doesn't actually say what he would like to happen to the lady in this article.
Mike doesn't actually say what he would like to happen to the lady in this article. jeebuscripes
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9:05am Tue 26 Mar 13

tricky1007 says...

“For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport.

Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!?
So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after?
“For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport. Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!? So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after? tricky1007
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9:08am Tue 26 Mar 13

Bournemouth2014 says...

What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done. Bournemouth2014
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9:08am Tue 26 Mar 13

N Smith says...

I attended a driver awareness course and five of the people on the course had been there several times.?????!!!
I attended a driver awareness course and five of the people on the course had been there several times.?????!!! N Smith
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9:10am Tue 26 Mar 13

bmthlad69 says...

tricky1007 wrote:
“For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport.

Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!?
So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after?
Not sure what he is after as surely he can still go for compensation?

She is being put on a driver awareness course anyway so not sure why he is so upset.
[quote][p][bold]tricky1007[/bold] wrote: “For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport. Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!? So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after?[/p][/quote]Not sure what he is after as surely he can still go for compensation? She is being put on a driver awareness course anyway so not sure why he is so upset. bmthlad69
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9:14am Tue 26 Mar 13

bourne free says...

She is probably a "special constable" !
She is probably a "special constable" ! bourne free
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9:15am Tue 26 Mar 13

bmthlad69 says...

Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further. bmthlad69
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9:15am Tue 26 Mar 13

ben111 says...

Helmet cam needed
Helmet cam needed ben111
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9:16am Tue 26 Mar 13

Bournemouth2014 says...

Also this headline 'Motorist mounted pavement and crossed grass verge to drive into me' - but police won't charge her - is totally misleading!
Also this headline 'Motorist mounted pavement and crossed grass verge to drive into me' - but police won't charge her - is totally misleading! Bournemouth2014
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9:19am Tue 26 Mar 13

jeebuscripes says...

Bournemouth2014 wrote:
Also this headline 'Motorist mounted pavement and crossed grass verge to drive into me' - but police won't charge her - is totally misleading!
I agree, there is implied intent on her behalf. She wasn't trying to drive into him.

An exaggerated, attention-grabbing headline that suggests the woman has got away with attempted murder.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: Also this headline 'Motorist mounted pavement and crossed grass verge to drive into me' - but police won't charge her - is totally misleading![/p][/quote]I agree, there is implied intent on her behalf. She wasn't trying to drive into him. An exaggerated, attention-grabbing headline that suggests the woman has got away with attempted murder. jeebuscripes
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9:27am Tue 26 Mar 13

Horridbloke says...

Why is he wearing a helmet in that photo?
Why is he wearing a helmet in that photo? Horridbloke
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9:31am Tue 26 Mar 13

coops1965 says...

bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
So are you two off duty coppers or what.
What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions.
I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement.
She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.
[quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple. coops1965
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9:35am Tue 26 Mar 13

moost says...

Is it not madness that drivers dont get any requalification! Having been on a driver awareness i have to say it was not the lecture i had expected and it was informative. I attended being quite negative but left feeling i had actually scrapped some of the rust off !! If were all honest we as drivers should have refresher course every 5 yrs as things change. U did feel however the course fee was far too high!!
Is it not madness that drivers dont get any requalification! Having been on a driver awareness i have to say it was not the lecture i had expected and it was informative. I attended being quite negative but left feeling i had actually scrapped some of the rust off !! If were all honest we as drivers should have refresher course every 5 yrs as things change. U did feel however the course fee was far too high!! moost
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9:48am Tue 26 Mar 13

speedy231278 says...

There's a very simple reason that she's going to be offered a driving course. They're usually done by ex traffic cops, so it makes sense for their mates to put plenty of business their way. Brown envelopes at the ready, no doubt.
There's a very simple reason that she's going to be offered a driving course. They're usually done by ex traffic cops, so it makes sense for their mates to put plenty of business their way. Brown envelopes at the ready, no doubt. speedy231278
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9:57am Tue 26 Mar 13

res ipsa loquitur says...

For those agreeing with the police decision not to prosecute, please can you explain in what circumstances you think a prosecution for driving without due care and attention would be appropriate?
For the police to differentiate on the basis of the extent of injuries suffered is plainly nonsense.
3 points and a fine for doing 36mph in a 30mph limit and causing no accident. No points and no fine for losing control of your vehicle and driving off the road.
If I promise that I will never improve my driving if caught speeding can I be excused from any fine or points?
For those agreeing with the police decision not to prosecute, please can you explain in what circumstances you think a prosecution for driving without due care and attention would be appropriate? For the police to differentiate on the basis of the extent of injuries suffered is plainly nonsense. 3 points and a fine for doing 36mph in a 30mph limit and causing no accident. No points and no fine for losing control of your vehicle and driving off the road. If I promise that I will never improve my driving if caught speeding can I be excused from any fine or points? res ipsa loquitur
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10:04am Tue 26 Mar 13

muscliffman says...

The picture caption states "Motorist mounted pavement and crossed grass verge to drive into me"

This implies intent on the part of the car driver, is this really the case?

The 'driving courses' are of course a nice little earner and very much part of the 'system'.
The picture caption states "Motorist mounted pavement and crossed grass verge to drive into me" This implies intent on the part of the car driver, is this really the case? The 'driving courses' are of course a nice little earner and very much part of the 'system'. muscliffman
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10:05am Tue 26 Mar 13

Bournemouth2014 says...

coops1965 wrote:
bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
So are you two off duty coppers or what.
What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions.
I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement.
She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.
Accidents do happen! What do you suggest she gets? You said could have been a lot worse and I'm sure if it was alot worse the punishment would reflect that!
[quote][p][bold]coops1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.[/p][/quote]Accidents do happen! What do you suggest she gets? You said could have been a lot worse and I'm sure if it was alot worse the punishment would reflect that! Bournemouth2014
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10:07am Tue 26 Mar 13

LC Tanner says...

The police letter/statement says "the imposition of a fine and penalty points will not do anything to correct poor driving habits.”
Does this mean that all the fines and points given for speeding etc are for some other reason?
The police letter/statement says "the imposition of a fine and penalty points will not do anything to correct poor driving habits.” Does this mean that all the fines and points given for speeding etc are for some other reason? LC Tanner
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10:11am Tue 26 Mar 13

uvox44 says...

hmmm amazing when it's a car driver hitting a cyclist how the majority of comments are supportative of them not being prosecuted- i'd put (a lot) of money that if it was a story about a cyclist crashing into a pedestrian we'd have the same people baying for prison sentences and draconcian new laws to stop the menance of "rogue" cyclists- does the word hypocritical ring a (bicycle) bell anyone?
hmmm amazing when it's a car driver hitting a cyclist how the majority of comments are supportative of them not being prosecuted- i'd put (a lot) of money that if it was a story about a cyclist crashing into a pedestrian we'd have the same people baying for prison sentences and draconcian new laws to stop the menance of "rogue" cyclists- does the word hypocritical ring a (bicycle) bell anyone? uvox44
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10:15am Tue 26 Mar 13

sam427 says...

I got knocked off my bike in a cycle lane as well. The driver drove round me and left me in the road! It took about a year for the police to take the driver to court, a guilty verdict was given, but that was it nothing happened. I'm not able to claim the cost of damage to my bike against the driver or his insurance. It was about a month before I could walk again without anything hurting! The police wont do anything to help me recover the cost to my bike or put the guilty verdict in writing so I can ask my car insurance company.....
I got knocked off my bike in a cycle lane as well. The driver drove round me and left me in the road! It took about a year for the police to take the driver to court, a guilty verdict was given, but that was it nothing happened. I'm not able to claim the cost of damage to my bike against the driver or his insurance. It was about a month before I could walk again without anything hurting! The police wont do anything to help me recover the cost to my bike or put the guilty verdict in writing so I can ask my car insurance company..... sam427
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10:28am Tue 26 Mar 13

jeebuscripes says...

Horridbloke wrote:
Why is he wearing a helmet in that photo?
Ha. Exactly.

Crazy Echo photographer.
[quote][p][bold]Horridbloke[/bold] wrote: Why is he wearing a helmet in that photo?[/p][/quote]Ha. Exactly. Crazy Echo photographer. jeebuscripes
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10:33am Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

"he said the woman blamed a steering problem for the incident,but now there seemed to be no evidence of that" REALLY someone loses control,mounts the pavement ,crosses a grass verge onto a designated cycle path floors a cyclist, i think there is plenty of evidence that there was a huge steering problem probably originating from the drivers seat
"he said the woman blamed a steering problem for the incident,but now there seemed to be no evidence of that" REALLY someone loses control,mounts the pavement ,crosses a grass verge onto a designated cycle path floors a cyclist, i think there is plenty of evidence that there was a huge steering problem probably originating from the drivers seat retry69
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10:47am Tue 26 Mar 13

Repo says...

Do you have to 'pass' a drivers awareness course or merely attend ?
Do you have to 'pass' a drivers awareness course or merely attend ? Repo
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10:53am Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

As soon as you attempt to ride a bike on the road you become a second class and disposable citizen. The police are target driven and prosecuting "speeders" is a higher value than someone who kills/ hurts / endangers a cyclist.
As soon as you attempt to ride a bike on the road you become a second class and disposable citizen. The police are target driven and prosecuting "speeders" is a higher value than someone who kills/ hurts / endangers a cyclist. Gooby!
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11:08am Tue 26 Mar 13

saynomore says...

The driver was probably so shocked to see a cyclist actually using a cycle lane she lost control at the sight of it.
The driver was probably so shocked to see a cyclist actually using a cycle lane she lost control at the sight of it. saynomore
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11:26am Tue 26 Mar 13

reeve007 says...

retry69 wrote:
"he said the woman blamed a steering problem for the incident,but now there seemed to be no evidence of that" REALLY someone loses control,mounts the pavement ,crosses a grass verge onto a designated cycle path floors a cyclist, i think there is plenty of evidence that there was a huge steering problem probably originating from the drivers seat
Failure of the NUT holding steering wheel !!!
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: "he said the woman blamed a steering problem for the incident,but now there seemed to be no evidence of that" REALLY someone loses control,mounts the pavement ,crosses a grass verge onto a designated cycle path floors a cyclist, i think there is plenty of evidence that there was a huge steering problem probably originating from the drivers seat[/p][/quote]Failure of the NUT holding steering wheel !!! reeve007
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11:30am Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

reeve007 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
"he said the woman blamed a steering problem for the incident,but now there seemed to be no evidence of that" REALLY someone loses control,mounts the pavement ,crosses a grass verge onto a designated cycle path floors a cyclist, i think there is plenty of evidence that there was a huge steering problem probably originating from the drivers seat
Failure of the NUT holding steering wheel !!!
Its a cliche i was tempted to use but didnt but of course you are right
[quote][p][bold]reeve007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: "he said the woman blamed a steering problem for the incident,but now there seemed to be no evidence of that" REALLY someone loses control,mounts the pavement ,crosses a grass verge onto a designated cycle path floors a cyclist, i think there is plenty of evidence that there was a huge steering problem probably originating from the drivers seat[/p][/quote]Failure of the NUT holding steering wheel !!![/p][/quote]Its a cliche i was tempted to use but didnt but of course you are right retry69
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11:33am Tue 26 Mar 13

grazzer says...

Many comments on here are wholly inaccurate.lf a motorist is charged with doing 36mph in a 30 limit it is true to say that they will be liable to a fine and a 3 point penalty but they will ALSO have the option of attending a driver awareness course..One reader claimed that when he attended a driver awareness course some drivers were there for the 5th. time.Well you can only attend a course if you haven't been on one in the previous 3 years so to reach 5 visits you would have to attend one every 3 rears for 15 years and as they haven't even been in existence for that length of time,this is sheer nonsense
Fining this woman would do nothing to improve her driving skills.lt would be far more beneficial to subject her to an intensive retraining followed by a stringent retest before being allowed to drive again. Many people will probably disagree with this which means you are more interested in punishment than improving road safety
Many comments on here are wholly inaccurate.lf a motorist is charged with doing 36mph in a 30 limit it is true to say that they will be liable to a fine and a 3 point penalty but they will ALSO have the option of attending a driver awareness course..One reader claimed that when he attended a driver awareness course some drivers were there for the 5th. time.Well you can only attend a course if you haven't been on one in the previous 3 years so to reach 5 visits you would have to attend one every 3 rears for 15 years and as they haven't even been in existence for that length of time,this is sheer nonsense Fining this woman would do nothing to improve her driving skills.lt would be far more beneficial to subject her to an intensive retraining followed by a stringent retest before being allowed to drive again. Many people will probably disagree with this which means you are more interested in punishment than improving road safety grazzer
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11:36am Tue 26 Mar 13

Repo says...

I apologize. Another comparison of British Justice..........
Poor driving that almost killed a person = 1 week Drivers awareness course. Swapping speeding points with your wife = 8 months in Jail.
I apologize. Another comparison of British Justice.......... Poor driving that almost killed a person = 1 week Drivers awareness course. Swapping speeding points with your wife = 8 months in Jail. Repo
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11:42am Tue 26 Mar 13

saynomore says...

Repo wrote:
I apologize. Another comparison of British Justice..........
Poor driving that almost killed a person = 1 week Drivers awareness course. Swapping speeding points with your wife = 8 months in Jail.
No, that was for perverting the course of justice,quite different.
[quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: I apologize. Another comparison of British Justice.......... Poor driving that almost killed a person = 1 week Drivers awareness course. Swapping speeding points with your wife = 8 months in Jail.[/p][/quote]No, that was for perverting the course of justice,quite different. saynomore
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11:45am Tue 26 Mar 13

mikeba says...

Rights or wrongs ... not sure. Inconsistencies ... definitely!!! I was towing my caravan a couple of years ago and was hit in the rear by an uninsured driver who also did not have permission to be driving the car ... but could the police prove that? No? It took two police cars to attend the scene and neither could produce a breathalyser ... although they said it was mandatory. So I had to suffer the £4000 insurance loss ... policy excess and increased premium. The fault driver ... small fine and points !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rights or wrongs ... not sure. Inconsistencies ... definitely!!! I was towing my caravan a couple of years ago and was hit in the rear by an uninsured driver who also did not have permission to be driving the car ... but could the police prove that? No? It took two police cars to attend the scene and neither could produce a breathalyser ... although they said it was mandatory. So I had to suffer the £4000 insurance loss ... policy excess and increased premium. The fault driver ... small fine and points !!!!!!!!!!!!! mikeba
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11:47am Tue 26 Mar 13

X Old Bill says...

There used to a very effective sanction available to the Courts of:
'Required to retake a driving test'. - Which meant that the full driving licence was effectively suspended until such time as the driver could show an ability to control a vehicle without supervision.
I wonder if that is still available and used nowadays? or, has the Driver Awareness course replaced it?
There used to a very effective sanction available to the Courts of: 'Required to retake a driving test'. - Which meant that the full driving licence was effectively suspended until such time as the driver could show an ability to control a vehicle without supervision. I wonder if that is still available and used nowadays? or, has the Driver Awareness course replaced it? X Old Bill
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11:49am Tue 26 Mar 13

master plan says...

It's a joke how cyclist are treated my friend was almost killed by someone not indicating into a side road 4 years later he is still dealing with the problems that driver caused yet the driver was breath tested and sent on his way probably had to go on the drivers course
It's a joke how cyclist are treated my friend was almost killed by someone not indicating into a side road 4 years later he is still dealing with the problems that driver caused yet the driver was breath tested and sent on his way probably had to go on the drivers course master plan
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11:56am Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.
Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance. colbel
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11:57am Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

X Old Bill wrote:
There used to a very effective sanction available to the Courts of:
'Required to retake a driving test'. - Which meant that the full driving licence was effectively suspended until such time as the driver could show an ability to control a vehicle without supervision.
I wonder if that is still available and used nowadays? or, has the Driver Awareness course replaced it?
How long ago was that?
[quote][p][bold]X Old Bill[/bold] wrote: There used to a very effective sanction available to the Courts of: 'Required to retake a driving test'. - Which meant that the full driving licence was effectively suspended until such time as the driver could show an ability to control a vehicle without supervision. I wonder if that is still available and used nowadays? or, has the Driver Awareness course replaced it?[/p][/quote]How long ago was that? retry69
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12:03pm Tue 26 Mar 13

master plan says...

I'm not only a cyclist but I also have a family car plus a van which I pay tax and insurance for both especially more insurance on my van. Why should I have to pay more insurance and tax on something that has zero poluations on the earth get real!!!
I'm not only a cyclist but I also have a family car plus a van which I pay tax and insurance for both especially more insurance on my van. Why should I have to pay more insurance and tax on something that has zero poluations on the earth get real!!! master plan
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12:04pm Tue 26 Mar 13

uvox44 says...

colbel says...
11:56am Tue 26 Mar 13
Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.

What has that got to do with this? Are you saying this cyclist being knocked off his bike is justified because some cyclists are idiots? Maybe you'd like to supply figures for the number of drivers killed by cyclists versus the number of cyclists killed by drivers? Or would such facts embarrass your ill-thought out ramblings?
colbel says... 11:56am Tue 26 Mar 13 Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance. What has that got to do with this? Are you saying this cyclist being knocked off his bike is justified because some cyclists are idiots? Maybe you'd like to supply figures for the number of drivers killed by cyclists versus the number of cyclists killed by drivers? Or would such facts embarrass your ill-thought out ramblings? uvox44
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12:07pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

And what abt the cycling pro tests they used to have or have they been replaced by telling the cyclist do what you like ride like an idiot and wherever you like with all disregard to pedestrian s and then moan when someone hits you.
And what abt the cycling pro tests they used to have or have they been replaced by telling the cyclist do what you like ride like an idiot and wherever you like with all disregard to pedestrian s and then moan when someone hits you. colbel
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12:08pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

colbel wrote:
Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.
I too drive a lot of miles more than i want, and i see far more dangerous behaviour by fellow motorists than cyclists and you should know by now that road tax has no place for discussion on this topic
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.[/p][/quote]I too drive a lot of miles more than i want, and i see far more dangerous behaviour by fellow motorists than cyclists and you should know by now that road tax has no place for discussion on this topic retry69
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12:13pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.
No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL. colbel
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12:16pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

colbel wrote:
No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.
you dont!
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.[/p][/quote]you dont! retry69
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12:17pm Tue 26 Mar 13

moost says...

sam427 wrote:
I got knocked off my bike in a cycle lane as well. The driver drove round me and left me in the road! It took about a year for the police to take the driver to court, a guilty verdict was given, but that was it nothing happened. I'm not able to claim the cost of damage to my bike against the driver or his insurance. It was about a month before I could walk again without anything hurting! The police wont do anything to help me recover the cost to my bike or put the guilty verdict in writing so I can ask my car insurance company.....
The police are not there to collect your debts. The police merely collect any evidence. You can get court results from the court.
[quote][p][bold]sam427[/bold] wrote: I got knocked off my bike in a cycle lane as well. The driver drove round me and left me in the road! It took about a year for the police to take the driver to court, a guilty verdict was given, but that was it nothing happened. I'm not able to claim the cost of damage to my bike against the driver or his insurance. It was about a month before I could walk again without anything hurting! The police wont do anything to help me recover the cost to my bike or put the guilty verdict in writing so I can ask my car insurance company.....[/p][/quote]The police are not there to collect your debts. The police merely collect any evidence. You can get court results from the court. moost
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12:18pm Tue 26 Mar 13

moost says...

Repo wrote:
I apologize. Another comparison of British Justice..........
Poor driving that almost killed a person = 1 week Drivers awareness course. Swapping speeding points with your wife = 8 months in Jail.
I read slight injury, where has almost killed come from???
[quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: I apologize. Another comparison of British Justice.......... Poor driving that almost killed a person = 1 week Drivers awareness course. Swapping speeding points with your wife = 8 months in Jail.[/p][/quote]I read slight injury, where has almost killed come from??? moost
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12:19pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?
Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ? colbel
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12:20pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Tommo_71 says...

coops1965 wrote:
bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.
At last, some common sense. The consequences could have been a lot worse and the punishment should reflect that.

Clearly driver awareness courses do not work as the same drivers keep attending them.
[quote][p][bold]coops1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.[/p][/quote]At last, some common sense. The consequences could have been a lot worse and the punishment should reflect that. Clearly driver awareness courses do not work as the same drivers keep attending them. Tommo_71
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12:22pm Tue 26 Mar 13

geoffro says...

well you could always claim off your insurance knock for knock
well you could always claim off your insurance knock for knock geoffro
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12:22pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

colbel wrote:
Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?
HELP!!!!
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?[/p][/quote]HELP!!!! retry69
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12:28pm Tue 26 Mar 13

The Liberal says...

colbel wrote:
Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?
I don't want to risk it, which is why my bike is gathering dust in the garage. Which means I use my car all the time instead, thereby helping to clog up the roads. Happy now?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?[/p][/quote]I don't want to risk it, which is why my bike is gathering dust in the garage. Which means I use my car all the time instead, thereby helping to clog up the roads. Happy now? The Liberal
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12:33pm Tue 26 Mar 13

adspacebroker says...

bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
I don't think anyone would argue with the absolute necessity of further driver education. We are in this mess simply due to the current system of driver training and testing. However the Driver Awareness Scheme should be attached to penalty points which is the system used by insurance companies to assess risk. So, in basic terms, replace the fine with the course. If you offend again within 3 years it is 6 points and an extended course. Insurance premiums are then affected.
[quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone would argue with the absolute necessity of further driver education. We are in this mess simply due to the current system of driver training and testing. However the Driver Awareness Scheme should be attached to penalty points which is the system used by insurance companies to assess risk. So, in basic terms, replace the fine with the course. If you offend again within 3 years it is 6 points and an extended course. Insurance premiums are then affected. adspacebroker
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12:36pm Tue 26 Mar 13

uvox44 says...

cobel i'm still waiting for your stats on injuries/deaths caused by cyclists vs those caused by vehicle drivers? Are you having difficulty finding any to back up your bizarre comments?
cobel i'm still waiting for your stats on injuries/deaths caused by cyclists vs those caused by vehicle drivers? Are you having difficulty finding any to back up your bizarre comments? uvox44
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12:38pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

uvox44 wrote:
cobel i'm still waiting for your stats on injuries/deaths caused by cyclists vs those caused by vehicle drivers? Are you having difficulty finding any to back up your bizarre comments?
He is probably onto the DVLA to see where his money goes
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: cobel i'm still waiting for your stats on injuries/deaths caused by cyclists vs those caused by vehicle drivers? Are you having difficulty finding any to back up your bizarre comments?[/p][/quote]He is probably onto the DVLA to see where his money goes retry69
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12:38pm Tue 26 Mar 13

afcb-loyal says...

99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.
99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey. afcb-loyal
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12:41pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Professor Zaroff says...

colbel wrote:
Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?
So you do not like cyclists using the road. And you do not like cyclists using the pavement either.

Come to think of it why should you be paying for those pesky 'pedestrian lanes' that are so often found by the road?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?[/p][/quote]So you do not like cyclists using the road. And you do not like cyclists using the pavement either. Come to think of it why should you be paying for those pesky 'pedestrian lanes' that are so often found by the road? Professor Zaroff
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12:46pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

colbel wrote:
Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?
Wow! another idiot who thinks they pay road tax. That should just about sum up the intelligence of the commentator. Doesnt even know for what they pay tax.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?[/p][/quote]Wow! another idiot who thinks they pay road tax. That should just about sum up the intelligence of the commentator. Doesnt even know for what they pay tax. Gooby!
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12:52pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

afcb-loyal wrote:
99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.
So we can obtain justice when "road owning" cretins like yourself behave in a stupid way and endanger a cyclist. You know backward cretins who believe a tribal following of a 4th rate football team is an identifyable quality.

Is "Lance Armstrong" the only name you know? I think I am Contador!

I bet you are so proud of your white van with the copy of the mirror on the dash.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-loyal[/bold] wrote: 99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.[/p][/quote]So we can obtain justice when "road owning" cretins like yourself behave in a stupid way and endanger a cyclist. You know backward cretins who believe a tribal following of a 4th rate football team is an identifyable quality. Is "Lance Armstrong" the only name you know? I think I am Contador! I bet you are so proud of your white van with the copy of the mirror on the dash. Gooby!
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12:57pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Repo says...

moost wrote:
Repo wrote:
I apologize. Another comparison of British Justice..........
Poor driving that almost killed a person = 1 week Drivers awareness course. Swapping speeding points with your wife = 8 months in Jail.
I read slight injury, where has almost killed come from???
The two outcomes are not mutually exclusive. One is fact and one is potential !
[quote][p][bold]moost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: I apologize. Another comparison of British Justice.......... Poor driving that almost killed a person = 1 week Drivers awareness course. Swapping speeding points with your wife = 8 months in Jail.[/p][/quote]I read slight injury, where has almost killed come from???[/p][/quote]The two outcomes are not mutually exclusive. One is fact and one is potential ! Repo
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1:13pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Then I suggest sam247 you get yourself a no win no fee solicitor and get them to write to his insurance Co and make a claim against the driver responsible and get recovered what is rightly yours. For starters the driver has committed a road traffic offence by veering into a cycle lane and the police are by law have to give details of your accident to your solicitor for him to be able to make any claim on your behalf.
Then I suggest sam247 you get yourself a no win no fee solicitor and get them to write to his insurance Co and make a claim against the driver responsible and get recovered what is rightly yours. For starters the driver has committed a road traffic offence by veering into a cycle lane and the police are by law have to give details of your accident to your solicitor for him to be able to make any claim on your behalf. colbel
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1:20pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Repo says...

adspacebroker wrote:
bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
I don't think anyone would argue with the absolute necessity of further driver education. We are in this mess simply due to the current system of driver training and testing. However the Driver Awareness Scheme should be attached to penalty points which is the system used by insurance companies to assess risk. So, in basic terms, replace the fine with the course. If you offend again within 3 years it is 6 points and an extended course. Insurance premiums are then affected.
What he said ^

In this case surely the driver should have received 5-10 points for a 'CD10' -Driving without due care and attention.

The points system seems fair so why isn't it being used? It is lenient enough to give drivers another chance if they have a one off 'accident', but strict enough that serial offenders should have their license taken away.
[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone would argue with the absolute necessity of further driver education. We are in this mess simply due to the current system of driver training and testing. However the Driver Awareness Scheme should be attached to penalty points which is the system used by insurance companies to assess risk. So, in basic terms, replace the fine with the course. If you offend again within 3 years it is 6 points and an extended course. Insurance premiums are then affected.[/p][/quote]What he said ^ In this case surely the driver should have received 5-10 points for a 'CD10' -Driving without due care and attention. The points system seems fair so why isn't it being used? It is lenient enough to give drivers another chance if they have a one off 'accident', but strict enough that serial offenders should have their license taken away. Repo
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1:26pm Tue 26 Mar 13

uvox44 says...

afcb-loyal - speak for yourself but don't set yourself up as the voice of motorists (well only the irresponsible, impatient ones maybe)- i cycle, i drive a car and i also drive a large vehicle for employment , however unlike you i have a responsible, professional attitude and if i have to wait a few seconds before i can safely pass a cyclist so be it - it's all about attitude and character , something maybe you lack?
afcb-loyal - speak for yourself but don't set yourself up as the voice of motorists (well only the irresponsible, impatient ones maybe)- i cycle, i drive a car and i also drive a large vehicle for employment , however unlike you i have a responsible, professional attitude and if i have to wait a few seconds before i can safely pass a cyclist so be it - it's all about attitude and character , something maybe you lack? uvox44
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1:28pm Tue 26 Mar 13

abc100 says...

I am sure there are some very good cyclists out there, don't ever see any though, all I see everyday are the ones that are up on the pavement, weaving in and out of traffic, jumping red lights and being a pain in the backside. Can somebody tell me what happens if a cyclist damages my car how do I make a claim against them, if its another car you obviously have the details
I am sure there are some very good cyclists out there, don't ever see any though, all I see everyday are the ones that are up on the pavement, weaving in and out of traffic, jumping red lights and being a pain in the backside. Can somebody tell me what happens if a cyclist damages my car how do I make a claim against them, if its another car you obviously have the details abc100
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1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel
Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel colbel
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1:40pm Tue 26 Mar 13

uvox44 says...

well i agree with you on that cobel- seems you can put forward a reasonable and balanced comment when you want to - so why the rants?
well i agree with you on that cobel- seems you can put forward a reasonable and balanced comment when you want to - so why the rants? uvox44
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1:47pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

I have my reasons and sometime I'll let you know and you will prob see where I'm coming from cuz it's still on going so I can't say to much but as you can gather its to do with a cyclists. Oh and by the way as a professional driver myself i always give way to cyclists who abide by the rules of the road the I can't cuz I can't see them as they have no lights on there bikes.
I have my reasons and sometime I'll let you know and you will prob see where I'm coming from cuz it's still on going so I can't say to much but as you can gather its to do with a cyclists. Oh and by the way as a professional driver myself i always give way to cyclists who abide by the rules of the road the I can't cuz I can't see them as they have no lights on there bikes. colbel
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1:52pm Tue 26 Mar 13

RhiaWeston says...

Mike needs to get in touch with the police and tell them he is not satisfied with the further action they wish to take and request that the driver be charged with dangerous driving. It is in his rights to do so and as a road safety campaigner I have spoken with several people who have managed to change the police decision not to charge.

If the driver is found guilty of dangerous driving she faces not only a fine and points but also a compulsory re-test and driving ban, which would go a long way to improving her driving behaviour. If she was convicted of careless driving she would also face a possible re-test and ban. This would be far more effective than a driver awareness course.
Mike needs to get in touch with the police and tell them he is not satisfied with the further action they wish to take and request that the driver be charged with dangerous driving. It is in his rights to do so and as a road safety campaigner I have spoken with several people who have managed to change the police decision not to charge. If the driver is found guilty of dangerous driving she faces not only a fine and points but also a compulsory re-test and driving ban, which would go a long way to improving her driving behaviour. If she was convicted of careless driving she would also face a possible re-test and ban. This would be far more effective than a driver awareness course. RhiaWeston
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1:55pm Tue 26 Mar 13

spooki says...

Like everything else, we only seem to notice the bad ones, whether it's teens, OAPS, drivers or cyclists. I drove from Townsend to Moordown and back this morning and came across five idiot drivers. How many good ones did I see? Don't know. How many good cyclists are there out there? Loads. We only notice the muppets causing havoc whether it's cyclists crossing red lights, weaving in & out of traffic, cycling using no hands because theyre texting, men cycling with their knees stuck out, whatever.
This woman driver should have been held accountable for this mans accident.
When we pass our driving tests that's it. Testing over. You could pass then immediately drive home like Lewis Hamilton with a headache.
Like everything else, we only seem to notice the bad ones, whether it's teens, OAPS, drivers or cyclists. I drove from Townsend to Moordown and back this morning and came across five idiot drivers. How many good ones did I see? Don't know. How many good cyclists are there out there? Loads. We only notice the muppets causing havoc whether it's cyclists crossing red lights, weaving in & out of traffic, cycling using no hands because theyre texting, men cycling with their knees stuck out, whatever. This woman driver should have been held accountable for this mans accident. When we pass our driving tests that's it. Testing over. You could pass then immediately drive home like Lewis Hamilton with a headache. spooki
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1:57pm Tue 26 Mar 13

uvox44 says...

I agree cyclists in dark clothing without lights are a menace - when i cycle at night /in dim conditions I'm lit up with very bright LED lights - however i think it is a minority of cyclists who don't have lights these days, not like a few years ago.
I agree cyclists in dark clothing without lights are a menace - when i cycle at night /in dim conditions I'm lit up with very bright LED lights - however i think it is a minority of cyclists who don't have lights these days, not like a few years ago. uvox44
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2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.
I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm. colbel
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2:07pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Franks Tank says...

Another story:-
Two traffic light cameras in Bournemouth have clocked a staggering 1,876 people jumping red lights in just five months.
We've got quality drivers round here.
Another story:- Two traffic light cameras in Bournemouth have clocked a staggering 1,876 people jumping red lights in just five months. We've got quality drivers round here. Franks Tank
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2:12pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

afcb-loyal wrote:
Gooby! wrote:
afcb-loyal wrote:
99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.
So we can obtain justice when "road owning" cretins like yourself behave in a stupid way and endanger a cyclist. You know backward cretins who believe a tribal following of a 4th rate football team is an identifyable quality.

Is "Lance Armstrong" the only name you know? I think I am Contador!

I bet you are so proud of your white van with the copy of the mirror on the dash.
i could argue with you all day you muppet, you just cant accept that motorists find cyclists a pain in the rear.
bet you work in an office with ya shiny shoes on. oh you daily mail reader.
get in a car and find out how many times you have to avoid tw4ts like you on ya bikes.
I can accept that motorists find cyclists a pain. What I cant do is justify it. A cyclist has just as much right to be on the road as you. That is enshrined in law. If you drive correctly and beware of hazards then only rarely will any hazard cause you and inconvienience. If you are surprised and dismayed that there is a cyclist on the road and your "ownership rights" are somehow challenged then may I suggest that your expectation of the journey is a little unreasonable and your surprise that there may be other road users belies a serious fault in your mental state.

The problem is morons who think that because they are annoyed by something justifies regarding them as a second class and not worth consideration even withinn the constraints of the law.

You know the type - the kind of road going imbecile who thinks they still pay road tax and who thinks that gives them some sort of road owning superiority.

I do work in offices. My shoes are clean and shiney. I dont read the Mail. I own many cars. I have an advanced driving certificate and a race licence. I was tought to drive by an ex-police instructor.

I also own a few bikes and I am appauled by the standard of driving in this country and the standards which our police adhere to.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-loyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-loyal[/bold] wrote: 99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.[/p][/quote]So we can obtain justice when "road owning" cretins like yourself behave in a stupid way and endanger a cyclist. You know backward cretins who believe a tribal following of a 4th rate football team is an identifyable quality. Is "Lance Armstrong" the only name you know? I think I am Contador! I bet you are so proud of your white van with the copy of the mirror on the dash.[/p][/quote]i could argue with you all day you muppet, you just cant accept that motorists find cyclists a pain in the rear. bet you work in an office with ya shiny shoes on. oh you daily mail reader. get in a car and find out how many times you have to avoid tw4ts like you on ya bikes.[/p][/quote]I can accept that motorists find cyclists a pain. What I cant do is justify it. A cyclist has just as much right to be on the road as you. That is enshrined in law. If you drive correctly and beware of hazards then only rarely will any hazard cause you and inconvienience. If you are surprised and dismayed that there is a cyclist on the road and your "ownership rights" are somehow challenged then may I suggest that your expectation of the journey is a little unreasonable and your surprise that there may be other road users belies a serious fault in your mental state. The problem is morons who think that because they are annoyed by something justifies regarding them as a second class and not worth consideration even withinn the constraints of the law. You know the type - the kind of road going imbecile who thinks they still pay road tax and who thinks that gives them some sort of road owning superiority. I do work in offices. My shoes are clean and shiney. I dont read the Mail. I own many cars. I have an advanced driving certificate and a race licence. I was tought to drive by an ex-police instructor. I also own a few bikes and I am appauled by the standard of driving in this country and the standards which our police adhere to. Gooby!
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2:16pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

colbel wrote:
I have my reasons and sometime I'll let you know and you will prob see where I'm coming from cuz it's still on going so I can't say to much but as you can gather its to do with a cyclists. Oh and by the way as a professional driver myself i always give way to cyclists who abide by the rules of the road the I can't cuz I can't see them as they have no lights on there bikes.
Sorry guys cant resist, what driving to you do that you are classed as a professional driver?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: I have my reasons and sometime I'll let you know and you will prob see where I'm coming from cuz it's still on going so I can't say to much but as you can gather its to do with a cyclists. Oh and by the way as a professional driver myself i always give way to cyclists who abide by the rules of the road the I can't cuz I can't see them as they have no lights on there bikes.[/p][/quote]Sorry guys cant resist, what driving to you do that you are classed as a professional driver? retry69
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2:17pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Franks Tank says...

ipayroadtax.com
ipayroadtax.com Franks Tank
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2:22pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
I have my reasons and sometime I'll let you know and you will prob see where I'm coming from cuz it's still on going so I can't say to much but as you can gather its to do with a cyclists. Oh and by the way as a professional driver myself i always give way to cyclists who abide by the rules of the road the I can't cuz I can't see them as they have no lights on there bikes.
Sorry guys cant resist, what driving to you do that you are classed as a professional driver?
retry, love it.....hahahahaha. big thumbs up to you.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: I have my reasons and sometime I'll let you know and you will prob see where I'm coming from cuz it's still on going so I can't say to much but as you can gather its to do with a cyclists. Oh and by the way as a professional driver myself i always give way to cyclists who abide by the rules of the road the I can't cuz I can't see them as they have no lights on there bikes.[/p][/quote]Sorry guys cant resist, what driving to you do that you are classed as a professional driver?[/p][/quote]retry, love it.....hahahahaha. big thumbs up to you. Imaximus
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2:27pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

Imaximus wrote:
retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
I have my reasons and sometime I'll let you know and you will prob see where I'm coming from cuz it's still on going so I can't say to much but as you can gather its to do with a cyclists. Oh and by the way as a professional driver myself i always give way to cyclists who abide by the rules of the road the I can't cuz I can't see them as they have no lights on there bikes.
Sorry guys cant resist, what driving to you do that you are classed as a professional driver?
retry, love it.....hahahahaha. big thumbs up to you.
Yeah im sorry but it is purely research honest!
[quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: I have my reasons and sometime I'll let you know and you will prob see where I'm coming from cuz it's still on going so I can't say to much but as you can gather its to do with a cyclists. Oh and by the way as a professional driver myself i always give way to cyclists who abide by the rules of the road the I can't cuz I can't see them as they have no lights on there bikes.[/p][/quote]Sorry guys cant resist, what driving to you do that you are classed as a professional driver?[/p][/quote]retry, love it.....hahahahaha. big thumbs up to you.[/p][/quote]Yeah im sorry but it is purely research honest! retry69
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2:27pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Hessenford says...

It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories.
The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other.
The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint.
There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse.
Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel.
It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories. The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other. The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint. There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse. Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel. Hessenford
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2:28pm Tue 26 Mar 13

afcb-loyal says...

GOOBY
You say you were trained by an ex police instructor, then in the next sentence you say you are appalled at the standards which our police adhere too.
Classic...
Its true what the other people have said we only seem to notice the bad drivers/cyclists the main proportion of both are pretty good.
I am off to read about my 4th rate football team now, have a good afternoon and be safe cycling home.
GOOBY You say you were trained by an ex police instructor, then in the next sentence you say you are appalled at the standards which our police adhere too. Classic... Its true what the other people have said we only seem to notice the bad drivers/cyclists the main proportion of both are pretty good. I am off to read about my 4th rate football team now, have a good afternoon and be safe cycling home. afcb-loyal
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2:29pm Tue 26 Mar 13

manjo27 says...

bmthlad69 wrote:
tricky1007 wrote:
“For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport.

Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!?
So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after?
Not sure what he is after as surely he can still go for compensation?

She is being put on a driver awareness course anyway so not sure why he is so upset.
I had the misfortune to let a police officer run into my car on his push bike, he did not need any treatment as he said he was not hurt. I was done for dangerous driving and got banned for 12 months and 100 hours unpaid work. All this and he even rode through a red light and got no punishment A rule for the Police and a rule for the rest of us. It stinks.
[quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tricky1007[/bold] wrote: “For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport. Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!? So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after?[/p][/quote]Not sure what he is after as surely he can still go for compensation? She is being put on a driver awareness course anyway so not sure why he is so upset.[/p][/quote]I had the misfortune to let a police officer run into my car on his push bike, he did not need any treatment as he said he was not hurt. I was done for dangerous driving and got banned for 12 months and 100 hours unpaid work. All this and he even rode through a red light and got no punishment A rule for the Police and a rule for the rest of us. It stinks. manjo27
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2:31pm Tue 26 Mar 13

mikeba says...

Hessenford wrote:
It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories.
The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other.
The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint.
There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse.
Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel.
Just about says it all ... the real storyline was lost ages ago!!!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories. The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other. The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint. There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse. Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel.[/p][/quote]Just about says it all ... the real storyline was lost ages ago!!! mikeba
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2:31pm Tue 26 Mar 13

lisa-louise says...

Driving awareness course is no good, The bloke could of come off worse, and imagine if it was a school child, A scary thing to go threw. She should of been given points on her licence.
Driving awareness course is no good, The bloke could of come off worse, and imagine if it was a school child, A scary thing to go threw. She should of been given points on her licence. lisa-louise
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2:34pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cycletourer says...

colbel wrote:
Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?
Road tax as a Tax paid by motorist to use the roads and pay for the upkeep of the roads was abolished in 1937.What motorist pay now in the form of the Disc is V.E.D (vehicle excise duty) which is a tax based on engine size an emisions,hense the reason different cars pay different amounts.There are 109 models of cars on the uk market that are tax exempt so do not pay V.E.D.These are class A vehicles and no there not all hybrid cars.The up keep of the roads is paid for through local taxation so anyone who pays Council tax etc is contributing to the upkeep of our road system regardless of wether they drive/cycle or walk.Perhaps the You Dont pay road tax brigade should start turning against the drivers who still live at home with mummy and daddy and probably make no contribution to the roads because its their parents who pay the counci tax.For those who dont understand the V.E.D system,a bicycle would fall into the Class A vehicle band so would be exempt from Payment.Just thought i'd clear that one up for you.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?[/p][/quote]Road tax as a Tax paid by motorist to use the roads and pay for the upkeep of the roads was abolished in 1937.What motorist pay now in the form of the Disc is V.E.D (vehicle excise duty) which is a tax based on engine size an emisions,hense the reason different cars pay different amounts.There are 109 models of cars on the uk market that are tax exempt so do not pay V.E.D.These are class A vehicles and no there not all hybrid cars.The up keep of the roads is paid for through local taxation so anyone who pays Council tax etc is contributing to the upkeep of our road system regardless of wether they drive/cycle or walk.Perhaps the You Dont pay road tax brigade should start turning against the drivers who still live at home with mummy and daddy and probably make no contribution to the roads because its their parents who pay the counci tax.For those who dont understand the V.E.D system,a bicycle would fall into the Class A vehicle band so would be exempt from Payment.Just thought i'd clear that one up for you. cycletourer
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2:55pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

Hessenford wrote:
It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories.
The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other.
The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint.
There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse.
Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel.
I think you are being a little harsh towards the commenters, i think you will find that most of the regular contributors try and find a common ground between all road users in an attempt to try to understand all sides of the issue unfortunately others who cannot take constructive criticism go over the top and drag the discussion down to depths of insults and offensive remarks these are the ones that probably cause the problems on our roads whatever their mode of transport and of course you dont have to read the comments if you are getting fed up with it the choice is yours after all
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories. The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other. The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint. There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse. Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel.[/p][/quote]I think you are being a little harsh towards the commenters, i think you will find that most of the regular contributors try and find a common ground between all road users in an attempt to try to understand all sides of the issue unfortunately others who cannot take constructive criticism go over the top and drag the discussion down to depths of insults and offensive remarks these are the ones that probably cause the problems on our roads whatever their mode of transport and of course you dont have to read the comments if you are getting fed up with it the choice is yours after all retry69
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3:07pm Tue 26 Mar 13

X Old Bill says...

cycletourer wrote:
colbel wrote:
Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?
Road tax as a Tax paid by motorist to use the roads and pay for the upkeep of the roads was abolished in 1937.What motorist pay now in the form of the Disc is V.E.D (vehicle excise duty) which is a tax based on engine size an emisions,hense the reason different cars pay different amounts.There are 109 models of cars on the uk market that are tax exempt so do not pay V.E.D.These are class A vehicles and no there not all hybrid cars.The up keep of the roads is paid for through local taxation so anyone who pays Council tax etc is contributing to the upkeep of our road system regardless of wether they drive/cycle or walk.Perhaps the You Dont pay road tax brigade should start turning against the drivers who still live at home with mummy and daddy and probably make no contribution to the roads because its their parents who pay the counci tax.For those who dont understand the V.E.D system,a bicycle would fall into the Class A vehicle band so would be exempt from Payment.Just thought i'd clear that one up for you.
As you say, the VED is based on the carbon dioxide emissions of the vehicle.
Maybe the subliminal logic of the anti-cycling people is that; Cyclists breathe and in doing so emit carbon dioxide, therefore they should either be taxed or prevented from breathing. The same goes for pedestrians of course and anyone else using a public road without a tin suit.
[quote][p][bold]cycletourer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Road tax has a lot to do with it as cyclists use the road oh yes and pavements with no lights on there bike. If drivers are so bad why would. cyclists want to risk your lives going on them then ?[/p][/quote]Road tax as a Tax paid by motorist to use the roads and pay for the upkeep of the roads was abolished in 1937.What motorist pay now in the form of the Disc is V.E.D (vehicle excise duty) which is a tax based on engine size an emisions,hense the reason different cars pay different amounts.There are 109 models of cars on the uk market that are tax exempt so do not pay V.E.D.These are class A vehicles and no there not all hybrid cars.The up keep of the roads is paid for through local taxation so anyone who pays Council tax etc is contributing to the upkeep of our road system regardless of wether they drive/cycle or walk.Perhaps the You Dont pay road tax brigade should start turning against the drivers who still live at home with mummy and daddy and probably make no contribution to the roads because its their parents who pay the counci tax.For those who dont understand the V.E.D system,a bicycle would fall into the Class A vehicle band so would be exempt from Payment.Just thought i'd clear that one up for you.[/p][/quote]As you say, the VED is based on the carbon dioxide emissions of the vehicle. Maybe the subliminal logic of the anti-cycling people is that; Cyclists breathe and in doing so emit carbon dioxide, therefore they should either be taxed or prevented from breathing. The same goes for pedestrians of course and anyone else using a public road without a tin suit. X Old Bill
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3:23pm Tue 26 Mar 13

res ipsa loquitur says...

What makes the decision not to prosecute so hard to believe is that we are not talking about a cycle lane in the road itself. This was a cycle path separated from the road by a not insignificant grass verge. How much further below the minimum acceptable standard of driving would this driver have had to go before Dorset Police considered it appropriate to prosecute her? Judging by their letter, apparently as far as she likes provided she promises not to improve her driving if she is fined or given penalty points. You really could not make it up!
What makes the decision not to prosecute so hard to believe is that we are not talking about a cycle lane in the road itself. This was a cycle path separated from the road by a not insignificant grass verge. How much further below the minimum acceptable standard of driving would this driver have had to go before Dorset Police considered it appropriate to prosecute her? Judging by their letter, apparently as far as she likes provided she promises not to improve her driving if she is fined or given penalty points. You really could not make it up! res ipsa loquitur
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3:55pm Tue 26 Mar 13

uvox44 says...

maybe it would be a good idea to arrange for an Echo reporter who was a competent cyclist to spend some time riding around the area and they could give impartial views on the standard of driving ?
maybe it would be a good idea to arrange for an Echo reporter who was a competent cyclist to spend some time riding around the area and they could give impartial views on the standard of driving ? uvox44
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4:12pm Tue 26 Mar 13

res ipsa loquitur says...

colbel wrote:
How can you compare the two incidents are you mad or what.
How? Well let's see.
Both incidents involve a car and a bike (scooter). Both (apparently) involve the car knocking the person on the bike off. In both cases the police consider there to be sufficient evidence to prosecute the drivers. In both cases the riders were apparently blameless.
Is that enough?
Tragically one rider was killed. Mercifully the other rider escaped relatively unharmed.

And if I was mad, how would I know?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: How can you compare the two incidents are you mad or what.[/p][/quote]How? Well let's see. Both incidents involve a car and a bike (scooter). Both (apparently) involve the car knocking the person on the bike off. In both cases the police consider there to be sufficient evidence to prosecute the drivers. In both cases the riders were apparently blameless. Is that enough? Tragically one rider was killed. Mercifully the other rider escaped relatively unharmed. And if I was mad, how would I know? res ipsa loquitur
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4:19pm Tue 26 Mar 13

The Liberal says...

colbel wrote:
Yeah ur Gooby we do own the road cuz we pay road tax not like you Bradley Wiggin lovers with ur tight fitting Lycra on racing around on pavements knocking pedestrians over and cycling off sticking one finger up to the poor person knocked down.
1. Road tax was abolished in 1937.
 
2. I assume what you are referring to is vehicle excise duty (VED). This is, in fact, a tax on your vehicle. So a more accurate name would be 'car tax'.
 
3. The revenue from VED is not a pot of money used specifically for road maintenance. It is simply another tax collected by government and is put together with the other tax money to fund all public services.
 
4. Nor does paying VED entitle you to claim ownership of the road. I think you will find that most roads are owned by the Highways Agency or local authority.
 
5. To follow your logic, electric cars shouldn't be allowed to use the roads since they pay a zero rate of VED.
 
6. It's Bradley Wiggins with an S. Considering the guy won the Tour de France and Olympic gold, one would think you might have the decency to get his name right.
 
7. A pedestrian being knocked over by a cyclist is very rare. In fact, a pedestrian on the pavement is statistically far more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a motor vehicle than a bicycle.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Yeah ur Gooby we do own the road cuz we pay road tax not like you Bradley Wiggin lovers with ur tight fitting Lycra on racing around on pavements knocking pedestrians over and cycling off sticking one finger up to the poor person knocked down.[/p][/quote]1. Road tax was abolished in 1937.   2. I assume what you are referring to is vehicle excise duty (VED). This is, in fact, a tax on your vehicle. So a more accurate name would be 'car tax'.   3. The revenue from VED is not a pot of money used specifically for road maintenance. It is simply another tax collected by government and is put together with the other tax money to fund all public services.   4. Nor does paying VED entitle you to claim ownership of the road. I think you will find that most roads are owned by the Highways Agency or local authority.   5. To follow your logic, electric cars shouldn't be allowed to use the roads since they pay a zero rate of VED.   6. It's Bradley Wiggins with an S. Considering the guy won the Tour de France and Olympic gold, one would think you might have the decency to get his name right.   7. A pedestrian being knocked over by a cyclist is very rare. In fact, a pedestrian on the pavement is statistically far more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a motor vehicle than a bicycle. The Liberal
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4:19pm Tue 26 Mar 13

uberbloke says...

res ipsa loquitur wrote:
colbel wrote:
How can you compare the two incidents are you mad or what.
How? Well let's see.
Both incidents involve a car and a bike (scooter). Both (apparently) involve the car knocking the person on the bike off. In both cases the police consider there to be sufficient evidence to prosecute the drivers. In both cases the riders were apparently blameless.
Is that enough?
Tragically one rider was killed. Mercifully the other rider escaped relatively unharmed.

And if I was mad, how would I know?
>And if I was mad, how would I know?

Simple, you'd be commenting on a story on the Echo website... because the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
[quote][p][bold]res ipsa loquitur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: How can you compare the two incidents are you mad or what.[/p][/quote]How? Well let's see. Both incidents involve a car and a bike (scooter). Both (apparently) involve the car knocking the person on the bike off. In both cases the police consider there to be sufficient evidence to prosecute the drivers. In both cases the riders were apparently blameless. Is that enough? Tragically one rider was killed. Mercifully the other rider escaped relatively unharmed. And if I was mad, how would I know?[/p][/quote]>And if I was mad, how would I know? Simple, you'd be commenting on a story on the Echo website... because the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. uberbloke
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4:24pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

afcb-loyal wrote:
GOOBY
You say you were trained by an ex police instructor, then in the next sentence you say you are appalled at the standards which our police adhere too.
Classic...
Its true what the other people have said we only seem to notice the bad drivers/cyclists the main proportion of both are pretty good.
I am off to read about my 4th rate football team now, have a good afternoon and be safe cycling home.
My EX-police driving instructor did not ever send a letter saying;

"imposition of a fine and penalty points will not do anything to correct poor driving habits.”

Its a bit cold today so I brought the car to work but thanks for caring.

On my drive home, I will not "avoid tw4ts like you on ya bikes" I will slow to a sensible speed, wait for an opportunity to overtake, then calmly move around the cyclist and continue with my journey. I may well think to myself "that cyclist is brave on a cold day like today, good on him" but I will behave with courtesy and both of us will get on with our day.

Due to the austere times we face there may well be some poorly equipped cyclists out there, I am pretty certain there is. Because I am sure in this knowledge I will drive appropriately and mind my speed around junctions, parked cars and obstacles that would obscure my view of any hazard (be it cold old lady or cyclist or kid or child on a moped).

If I am very unlucky I will see some ill educated knuckle dragger race up to a cyclist. slam on the brakes - probably shout "Tw4T", tear round the cyclist in the face of traffic not giving enough room to the cyclist, himself or oncoming traffic and come close to causing an accident. Then I will mutter "afcb-loyal, what a tw4t!"
[quote][p][bold]afcb-loyal[/bold] wrote: GOOBY You say you were trained by an ex police instructor, then in the next sentence you say you are appalled at the standards which our police adhere too. Classic... Its true what the other people have said we only seem to notice the bad drivers/cyclists the main proportion of both are pretty good. I am off to read about my 4th rate football team now, have a good afternoon and be safe cycling home.[/p][/quote]My EX-police driving instructor did not ever send a letter saying; "imposition of a fine and penalty points will not do anything to correct poor driving habits.” Its a bit cold today so I brought the car to work but thanks for caring. On my drive home, I will not "avoid tw4ts like you on ya bikes" I will slow to a sensible speed, wait for an opportunity to overtake, then calmly move around the cyclist and continue with my journey. I may well think to myself "that cyclist is brave on a cold day like today, good on him" but I will behave with courtesy and both of us will get on with our day. Due to the austere times we face there may well be some poorly equipped cyclists out there, I am pretty certain there is. Because I am sure in this knowledge I will drive appropriately and mind my speed around junctions, parked cars and obstacles that would obscure my view of any hazard (be it cold old lady or cyclist or kid or child on a moped). If I am very unlucky I will see some ill educated knuckle dragger race up to a cyclist. slam on the brakes - probably shout "Tw4T", tear round the cyclist in the face of traffic not giving enough room to the cyclist, himself or oncoming traffic and come close to causing an accident. Then I will mutter "afcb-loyal, what a tw4t!" Gooby!
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4:31pm Tue 26 Mar 13

victor meldrew 17 says...

The reasons why driver awareness courses are used a lot,
government gets money for course,
driver keeps paying tax on all fuel used,vehicle tax,ins premium tax,cost of all servicing spares etc,all create tax revenue.
If driver gets banned,government not only loses all of the above,but if driver loses job,no more income tax,probable unemployment benefit costs,its just simple economics.
The reasons why driver awareness courses are used a lot, government gets money for course, driver keeps paying tax on all fuel used,vehicle tax,ins premium tax,cost of all servicing spares etc,all create tax revenue. If driver gets banned,government not only loses all of the above,but if driver loses job,no more income tax,probable unemployment benefit costs,its just simple economics. victor meldrew 17
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4:39pm Tue 26 Mar 13

guinnessdaze says...

Seems that my first post has dissolved,strange that,not offensive in the least..questions..th
at's all.
Seems that my first post has dissolved,strange that,not offensive in the least..questions..th at's all. guinnessdaze
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4:43pm Tue 26 Mar 13

BIGTONE says...

ben111 wrote:
Helmet cam needed
Wouldn't have been any good. By the sound of his statement he didn't see it coming so he must have been hit from behind.
[quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: Helmet cam needed[/p][/quote]Wouldn't have been any good. By the sound of his statement he didn't see it coming so he must have been hit from behind. BIGTONE
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4:51pm Tue 26 Mar 13

jquain says...

The poor guy could of ended up like Jade Clark. The fact that this lady allegedly left the course of the road makes her driving seem worse than 'the Volvo drivers' and she should be punished as such.

Obviously we don't know all the facts though.
The poor guy could of ended up like Jade Clark. The fact that this lady allegedly left the course of the road makes her driving seem worse than 'the Volvo drivers' and she should be punished as such. Obviously we don't know all the facts though. jquain
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4:52pm Tue 26 Mar 13

SeafaringMan says...

The Echo headline reads "Cyclists fury as crash driver escapes court action", do you mean "Cyclist's fury", or "Cyclists' fury", or does the Echo sub-editor not understand the difference?
The Echo headline reads "Cyclists fury as crash driver escapes court action", do you mean "Cyclist's fury", or "Cyclists' fury", or does the Echo sub-editor not understand the difference? SeafaringMan
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4:59pm Tue 26 Mar 13

golfer33 says...

colbel wrote:
Then I suggest sam247 you get yourself a no win no fee solicitor and get them to write to his insurance Co and make a claim against the driver responsible and get recovered what is rightly yours. For starters the driver has committed a road traffic offence by veering into a cycle lane and the police are by law have to give details of your accident to your solicitor for him to be able to make any claim on your behalf.
I agree, go throu the no win no fee solicitor. They know very quickly if its worth taking her to court for damages.
I am surprised she did not offer to pay to fix his bike.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Then I suggest sam247 you get yourself a no win no fee solicitor and get them to write to his insurance Co and make a claim against the driver responsible and get recovered what is rightly yours. For starters the driver has committed a road traffic offence by veering into a cycle lane and the police are by law have to give details of your accident to your solicitor for him to be able to make any claim on your behalf.[/p][/quote]I agree, go throu the no win no fee solicitor. They know very quickly if its worth taking her to court for damages. I am surprised she did not offer to pay to fix his bike. golfer33
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5:00pm Tue 26 Mar 13

PigWhistle0709 says...

Could be worse - if the motorist had done it deliberately, admitted it in police statments and in court, invented an oncoming vehicle as an excuse for launching the car at the cyclist in order to get him off the road so they could proceed without waiting for a safe time to overtake, then the cyclist would be prosecuted with the full strength of the plice, cps and local beaks applied to defending the right to attack with a car... mind, that was Hampshire and this is Dorset constabulary - they do things differently there and once had two guys close to being jailed just for shouting at people on the verge, not launching their car at them.
Could be worse - if the motorist had done it deliberately, admitted it in police statments and in court, invented an oncoming vehicle as an excuse for launching the car at the cyclist in order to get him off the road so they could proceed without waiting for a safe time to overtake, then the cyclist would be prosecuted with the full strength of the plice, cps and local beaks applied to defending the right to attack with a car... mind, that was Hampshire and this is Dorset constabulary - they do things differently there and once had two guys close to being jailed just for shouting at people on the verge, not launching their car at them. PigWhistle0709
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5:11pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Professor Zaroff says...

Gooby! wrote:
afcb-loyal wrote:
GOOBY
You say you were trained by an ex police instructor, then in the next sentence you say you are appalled at the standards which our police adhere too.
Classic...
Its true what the other people have said we only seem to notice the bad drivers/cyclists the main proportion of both are pretty good.
I am off to read about my 4th rate football team now, have a good afternoon and be safe cycling home.
My EX-police driving instructor did not ever send a letter saying;

"imposition of a fine and penalty points will not do anything to correct poor driving habits.”

Its a bit cold today so I brought the car to work but thanks for caring.

On my drive home, I will not "avoid tw4ts like you on ya bikes" I will slow to a sensible speed, wait for an opportunity to overtake, then calmly move around the cyclist and continue with my journey. I may well think to myself "that cyclist is brave on a cold day like today, good on him" but I will behave with courtesy and both of us will get on with our day.

Due to the austere times we face there may well be some poorly equipped cyclists out there, I am pretty certain there is. Because I am sure in this knowledge I will drive appropriately and mind my speed around junctions, parked cars and obstacles that would obscure my view of any hazard (be it cold old lady or cyclist or kid or child on a moped).

If I am very unlucky I will see some ill educated knuckle dragger race up to a cyclist. slam on the brakes - probably shout "Tw4T", tear round the cyclist in the face of traffic not giving enough room to the cyclist, himself or oncoming traffic and come close to causing an accident. Then I will mutter "afcb-loyal, what a tw4t!"
Funnily you are the first person to mention it - as a car driver the biggest (and by far most dangerous) bike related inconvenience I encounter is oncoming cars coming into my path to overtake a cyclist.

Horribly, I expect there are those here that will blame even that on the cyclist.
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-loyal[/bold] wrote: GOOBY You say you were trained by an ex police instructor, then in the next sentence you say you are appalled at the standards which our police adhere too. Classic... Its true what the other people have said we only seem to notice the bad drivers/cyclists the main proportion of both are pretty good. I am off to read about my 4th rate football team now, have a good afternoon and be safe cycling home.[/p][/quote]My EX-police driving instructor did not ever send a letter saying; "imposition of a fine and penalty points will not do anything to correct poor driving habits.” Its a bit cold today so I brought the car to work but thanks for caring. On my drive home, I will not "avoid tw4ts like you on ya bikes" I will slow to a sensible speed, wait for an opportunity to overtake, then calmly move around the cyclist and continue with my journey. I may well think to myself "that cyclist is brave on a cold day like today, good on him" but I will behave with courtesy and both of us will get on with our day. Due to the austere times we face there may well be some poorly equipped cyclists out there, I am pretty certain there is. Because I am sure in this knowledge I will drive appropriately and mind my speed around junctions, parked cars and obstacles that would obscure my view of any hazard (be it cold old lady or cyclist or kid or child on a moped). If I am very unlucky I will see some ill educated knuckle dragger race up to a cyclist. slam on the brakes - probably shout "Tw4T", tear round the cyclist in the face of traffic not giving enough room to the cyclist, himself or oncoming traffic and come close to causing an accident. Then I will mutter "afcb-loyal, what a tw4t!"[/p][/quote]Funnily you are the first person to mention it - as a car driver the biggest (and by far most dangerous) bike related inconvenience I encounter is oncoming cars coming into my path to overtake a cyclist. Horribly, I expect there are those here that will blame even that on the cyclist. Professor Zaroff
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5:30pm Tue 26 Mar 13

scrumpyjack says...

Gooby! wrote:
afcb-loyal wrote:
GOOBY
You say you were trained by an ex police instructor, then in the next sentence you say you are appalled at the standards which our police adhere too.
Classic...
Its true what the other people have said we only seem to notice the bad drivers/cyclists the main proportion of both are pretty good.
I am off to read about my 4th rate football team now, have a good afternoon and be safe cycling home.
My EX-police driving instructor did not ever send a letter saying;

"imposition of a fine and penalty points will not do anything to correct poor driving habits.”

Its a bit cold today so I brought the car to work but thanks for caring.

On my drive home, I will not "avoid tw4ts like you on ya bikes" I will slow to a sensible speed, wait for an opportunity to overtake, then calmly move around the cyclist and continue with my journey. I may well think to myself "that cyclist is brave on a cold day like today, good on him" but I will behave with courtesy and both of us will get on with our day.

Due to the austere times we face there may well be some poorly equipped cyclists out there, I am pretty certain there is. Because I am sure in this knowledge I will drive appropriately and mind my speed around junctions, parked cars and obstacles that would obscure my view of any hazard (be it cold old lady or cyclist or kid or child on a moped).

If I am very unlucky I will see some ill educated knuckle dragger race up to a cyclist. slam on the brakes - probably shout "Tw4T", tear round the cyclist in the face of traffic not giving enough room to the cyclist, himself or oncoming traffic and come close to causing an accident. Then I will mutter "afcb-loyal, what a tw4t!"
In parlence he will get...Back of the net!
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-loyal[/bold] wrote: GOOBY You say you were trained by an ex police instructor, then in the next sentence you say you are appalled at the standards which our police adhere too. Classic... Its true what the other people have said we only seem to notice the bad drivers/cyclists the main proportion of both are pretty good. I am off to read about my 4th rate football team now, have a good afternoon and be safe cycling home.[/p][/quote]My EX-police driving instructor did not ever send a letter saying; "imposition of a fine and penalty points will not do anything to correct poor driving habits.” Its a bit cold today so I brought the car to work but thanks for caring. On my drive home, I will not "avoid tw4ts like you on ya bikes" I will slow to a sensible speed, wait for an opportunity to overtake, then calmly move around the cyclist and continue with my journey. I may well think to myself "that cyclist is brave on a cold day like today, good on him" but I will behave with courtesy and both of us will get on with our day. Due to the austere times we face there may well be some poorly equipped cyclists out there, I am pretty certain there is. Because I am sure in this knowledge I will drive appropriately and mind my speed around junctions, parked cars and obstacles that would obscure my view of any hazard (be it cold old lady or cyclist or kid or child on a moped). If I am very unlucky I will see some ill educated knuckle dragger race up to a cyclist. slam on the brakes - probably shout "Tw4T", tear round the cyclist in the face of traffic not giving enough room to the cyclist, himself or oncoming traffic and come close to causing an accident. Then I will mutter "afcb-loyal, what a tw4t!"[/p][/quote]In parlence he will get...Back of the net! scrumpyjack
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5:39pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Tango Charlie says...

Where there is blame, there is a claim. The police had indicated that she is blameworthy, so a no win no fee solicitor seems to be the way to go. She won't have a leg to stand on. Claim for mental trauma and anguish too. She soon wont be able to afford her next insurance installments.
Where there is blame, there is a claim. The police had indicated that she is blameworthy, so a no win no fee solicitor seems to be the way to go. She won't have a leg to stand on. Claim for mental trauma and anguish too. She soon wont be able to afford her next insurance installments. Tango Charlie
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5:53pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Frank Spencer says...

coops1965 wrote:
bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
So are you two off duty coppers or what.
What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions.
I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement.
She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.
Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-(
[quote][p][bold]coops1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.[/p][/quote]Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-( Frank Spencer
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5:53pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Frank Spencer says...

coops1965 wrote:
bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
So are you two off duty coppers or what.
What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions.
I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement.
She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.
Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-(
[quote][p][bold]coops1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.[/p][/quote]Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-( Frank Spencer
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5:53pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Frank Spencer says...

coops1965 wrote:
bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
So are you two off duty coppers or what.
What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions.
I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement.
She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.
Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-(
[quote][p][bold]coops1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.[/p][/quote]Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-( Frank Spencer
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5:53pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Frank Spencer says...

coops1965 wrote:
bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
So are you two off duty coppers or what.
What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions.
I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement.
She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.
Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-(
[quote][p][bold]coops1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.[/p][/quote]Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-( Frank Spencer
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5:56pm Tue 26 Mar 13

scrumpyjack says...

Frank Spencer wrote:
coops1965 wrote:
bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
So are you two off duty coppers or what.
What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions.
I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement.
She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.
Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-(
I think we get your username....
[quote][p][bold]Frank Spencer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coops1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.[/p][/quote]Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-([/p][/quote]I think we get your username.... scrumpyjack
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5:56pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

Frank Spencer wrote:
coops1965 wrote:
bmthlad69 wrote:
Bournemouth2014 wrote:
What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.
Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.
So are you two off duty coppers or what.
What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions.
I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement.
She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.
Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-(
point taken
[quote][p][bold]Frank Spencer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coops1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmthlad69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournemouth2014[/bold] wrote: What's the point in fining her in court? A driver awareness course is the best option. Its not all about throwing the book at people for accidents! Claim off her insurance for the bike - job done.[/p][/quote]Agreed as accidents do happen and there is no need for it to go any further.[/p][/quote]So are you two off duty coppers or what. What do you mean accidents happen, no they do not, people happen and she is responsible for her actions. I an not saying hang the woman out to dry but this could have been a lot worse, remember Nelly Mole from New Milton who killed people through mounting the pavement. She should be held accountable for her actions, Simple.[/p][/quote]Thank god it was not someone pushing a pushchair on the shared path. But I guess cyclist's lives aren't so important. :-([/p][/quote]point taken retry69
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5:58pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Frank Spencer says...

retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories.
The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other.
The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint.
There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse.
Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel.
I think you are being a little harsh towards the commenters, i think you will find that most of the regular contributors try and find a common ground between all road users in an attempt to try to understand all sides of the issue unfortunately others who cannot take constructive criticism go over the top and drag the discussion down to depths of insults and offensive remarks these are the ones that probably cause the problems on our roads whatever their mode of transport and of course you dont have to read the comments if you are getting fed up with it the choice is yours after all
Hmmm have you ever thought about having a go at stand up comedy?
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories. The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other. The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint. There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse. Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel.[/p][/quote]I think you are being a little harsh towards the commenters, i think you will find that most of the regular contributors try and find a common ground between all road users in an attempt to try to understand all sides of the issue unfortunately others who cannot take constructive criticism go over the top and drag the discussion down to depths of insults and offensive remarks these are the ones that probably cause the problems on our roads whatever their mode of transport and of course you dont have to read the comments if you are getting fed up with it the choice is yours after all[/p][/quote]Hmmm have you ever thought about having a go at stand up comedy? Frank Spencer
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6:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Frank Spencer says...

One factor that may come into play for our friends in the constabulary. Fines in court go to central government. A proportion of the money from driver awareness courses say with the local force who organise them.
One factor that may come into play for our friends in the constabulary. Fines in court go to central government. A proportion of the money from driver awareness courses say with the local force who organise them. Frank Spencer
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6:15pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.
Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses. colbel
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6:18pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

Frank Spencer wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories.
The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other.
The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint.
There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse.
Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel.
I think you are being a little harsh towards the commenters, i think you will find that most of the regular contributors try and find a common ground between all road users in an attempt to try to understand all sides of the issue unfortunately others who cannot take constructive criticism go over the top and drag the discussion down to depths of insults and offensive remarks these are the ones that probably cause the problems on our roads whatever their mode of transport and of course you dont have to read the comments if you are getting fed up with it the choice is yours after all
Hmmm have you ever thought about having a go at stand up comedy?
There is no comedy about it, most serious commenters would applaud all road users behaving amicably towards each other the trouble is the blinkered trolls get their enjoyment out of this sort of topic,unfortunately their are a few regulars missing from this debate who although i often cross swords with they do have an opinion which should be listened to and not discounted in fact Gooby was my worse critic in a previous life but he is making valid points
[quote][p][bold]Frank Spencer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: It's about time comments were cut of on these types of stories. The same old faces come out in their droves every time, all it takes is some clown to have a go about bad drivers and someone comes back about bad cyclists, as you go down the comments there is nothing about the story in hand, just idiots on both sides arguing with each other and then eventually insulting each other. The Echo obviously don't monitor what is being said until someone raises a complaint. There are never any intelligent post, well perhaps a few, but most of the time its used as a platform for general abuse. Reading the comments here today is like Groundhog day, same old faces same old arguments so come on Echo, by all means report these stories but turn the comments off as I for one get fed up with reading the same old drivel.[/p][/quote]I think you are being a little harsh towards the commenters, i think you will find that most of the regular contributors try and find a common ground between all road users in an attempt to try to understand all sides of the issue unfortunately others who cannot take constructive criticism go over the top and drag the discussion down to depths of insults and offensive remarks these are the ones that probably cause the problems on our roads whatever their mode of transport and of course you dont have to read the comments if you are getting fed up with it the choice is yours after all[/p][/quote]Hmmm have you ever thought about having a go at stand up comedy?[/p][/quote]There is no comedy about it, most serious commenters would applaud all road users behaving amicably towards each other the trouble is the blinkered trolls get their enjoyment out of this sort of topic,unfortunately their are a few regulars missing from this debate who although i often cross swords with they do have an opinion which should be listened to and not discounted in fact Gooby was my worse critic in a previous life but he is making valid points retry69
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6:23pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

colbel wrote:
Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.
Says the world class ignoramus who doesnt even know he doesnt pay road tax!

Well done!
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.[/p][/quote]Says the world class ignoramus who doesnt even know he doesnt pay road tax! Well done! Gooby!
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6:26pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Frank Spencer says...

colbel wrote:
Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.
could we have a translation in English please?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.[/p][/quote]could we have a translation in English please? Frank Spencer
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6:32pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Another cycling muppet on our roads, there we go Mr Perfect is that translated ok for you ?
Another cycling muppet on our roads, there we go Mr Perfect is that translated ok for you ? colbel
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6:49pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Frank Spencer says...

colbel wrote:
Another cycling muppet on our roads, there we go Mr Perfect is that translated ok for you ?
Aren't we discussing car driving standards today and how our friends in the local constabulary decide on who gets to keep the cash? Maybe Hessenford has a point?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Another cycling muppet on our roads, there we go Mr Perfect is that translated ok for you ?[/p][/quote]Aren't we discussing car driving standards today and how our friends in the local constabulary decide on who gets to keep the cash? Maybe Hessenford has a point? Frank Spencer
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6:52pm Tue 26 Mar 13

retry69 says...

Frank Spencer wrote:
colbel wrote:
Another cycling muppet on our roads, there we go Mr Perfect is that translated ok for you ?
Aren't we discussing car driving standards today and how our friends in the local constabulary decide on who gets to keep the cash? Maybe Hessenford has a point?
Now who is doing stand up? Betty! hmmm
[quote][p][bold]Frank Spencer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Another cycling muppet on our roads, there we go Mr Perfect is that translated ok for you ?[/p][/quote]Aren't we discussing car driving standards today and how our friends in the local constabulary decide on who gets to keep the cash? Maybe Hessenford has a point?[/p][/quote]Now who is doing stand up? Betty! hmmm retry69
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7:00pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

colbel wrote:
Another cycling muppet on our roads, there we go Mr Perfect is that translated ok for you ?
or to read between the lines...
an ill informed ignoramous who while taking pride in his ignorance has developed an inferiority complex to those on bikes is about to step away from the keyboard and operate heavy machinery, as a profession? my god....
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Another cycling muppet on our roads, there we go Mr Perfect is that translated ok for you ?[/p][/quote]or to read between the lines... an ill informed ignoramous who while taking pride in his ignorance has developed an inferiority complex to those on bikes is about to step away from the keyboard and operate heavy machinery, as a profession? my god.... Gooby!
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7:16pm Tue 26 Mar 13

tomkatz says...

How strange the Police official admits fines and penalty points will do nothing to correct poor driving habits.Surely penalty points should automatically go with a directive to attend a driver awareness course.
How strange the Police official admits fines and penalty points will do nothing to correct poor driving habits.Surely penalty points should automatically go with a directive to attend a driver awareness course. tomkatz
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7:20pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cpf242 says...

Horridbloke wrote:
Why is he wearing a helmet in that photo?
Because if he wasn't the cycle hating idiots on here would say "You should be wearing a helmet" even though they are not compulsory.
[quote][p][bold]Horridbloke[/bold] wrote: Why is he wearing a helmet in that photo?[/p][/quote]Because if he wasn't the cycle hating idiots on here would say "You should be wearing a helmet" even though they are not compulsory. cpf242
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7:27pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cpf242 says...

colbel wrote:
Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.
And it's about time you lot slowed down,indicated and looked where you are going.Motorists are a law unto themselves.
Plus,there's no such thing as road tax and many cyclists are covered under insurance paid through membership of the CTC.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.[/p][/quote]And it's about time you lot slowed down,indicated and looked where you are going.Motorists are a law unto themselves. Plus,there's no such thing as road tax and many cyclists are covered under insurance paid through membership of the CTC. cpf242
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7:33pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cpf242 says...

colbel wrote:
And what abt the cycling pro tests they used to have or have they been replaced by telling the cyclist do what you like ride like an idiot and wherever you like with all disregard to pedestrian s and then moan when someone hits you.
Pedestrians should look where they are going otherwise they will get hit.
Have you ever been hit up the backside without warning? I'm sure you'd be the first to moan.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: And what abt the cycling pro tests they used to have or have they been replaced by telling the cyclist do what you like ride like an idiot and wherever you like with all disregard to pedestrian s and then moan when someone hits you.[/p][/quote]Pedestrians should look where they are going otherwise they will get hit. Have you ever been hit up the backside without warning? I'm sure you'd be the first to moan. cpf242
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7:34pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cpf242 says...

colbel wrote:
No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.
It's Jeremy Clarkson.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.[/p][/quote]It's Jeremy Clarkson. cpf242
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7:34pm Tue 26 Mar 13

mmmmmmm says...

His lawn needs a trim.
His lawn needs a trim. mmmmmmm
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7:38pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cpf242 says...

afcb-loyal wrote:
99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.
Another fool from the JC School Of Motoring.
Here's hoping for higher fuel costs.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-loyal[/bold] wrote: 99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.[/p][/quote]Another fool from the JC School Of Motoring. Here's hoping for higher fuel costs. cpf242
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7:46pm Tue 26 Mar 13

The Liberal says...

cpf242 wrote:
colbel wrote:
No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.
It's Jeremy Clarkson.
Crikey. If it is, I pity the poor guy who has to sub-edit his newspaper articles.
[quote][p][bold]cpf242[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.[/p][/quote]It's Jeremy Clarkson.[/p][/quote]Crikey. If it is, I pity the poor guy who has to sub-edit his newspaper articles. The Liberal
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7:48pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

You put your name as Gooby don't you mean Gobby.........!!!!
You put your name as Gooby don't you mean Gobby.........!!!! colbel
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7:49pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cpf242 says...

colbel wrote:
Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.
Blimey,cheer up.All that 'professional driving' must be cutting the oxygen to your brain.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.[/p][/quote]Blimey,cheer up.All that 'professional driving' must be cutting the oxygen to your brain. cpf242
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7:53pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Yes and there's plenty of Frank Spencer's riding bikes on our roads/pavements. And also why are these bike shops allowed to sell bike's without lights ?
Yes and there's plenty of Frank Spencer's riding bikes on our roads/pavements. And also why are these bike shops allowed to sell bike's without lights ? colbel
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8:01pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

colbel wrote:
You put your name as Gooby don't you mean Gobby.........!!!!
Is that it? That is the best you can do?
Sigh
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: You put your name as Gooby don't you mean Gobby.........!!!![/p][/quote]Is that it? That is the best you can do? Sigh Gooby!
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8:10pm Tue 26 Mar 13

bobsworthforever says...

Was it light or dark did he have any lights on if it was dark? I passed 3 bikers on Monday at 8 o'clock none had lights on no police about to stop them, but they would have if it had been me in my car.
Was it light or dark did he have any lights on if it was dark? I passed 3 bikers on Monday at 8 o'clock none had lights on no police about to stop them, but they would have if it had been me in my car. bobsworthforever
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8:11pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

colbel wrote:
Yes and there's plenty of Frank Spencer's riding bikes on our roads/pavements. And also why are these bike shops allowed to sell bike's without lights ?
So ... As I am trying to figure out what you are saying. If Mike Anwyll had lights on his bike, some woman would have not done her makeup, swerved across the road, across the pavement and verge into a segregated cycle lane and hit a cyclist?

Yeah- those lights would have made all the difference.

If Mr. Anwyll had lights the police would have done thier job and prosecuted this woman for dangerous driving.

Colbel, you are not playing with a full deck are you? Does your social worker know you are using the computer again?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Yes and there's plenty of Frank Spencer's riding bikes on our roads/pavements. And also why are these bike shops allowed to sell bike's without lights ?[/p][/quote]So ... As I am trying to figure out what you are saying. If Mike Anwyll had lights on his bike, some woman would have not done her makeup, swerved across the road, across the pavement and verge into a segregated cycle lane and hit a cyclist? Yeah- those lights would have made all the difference. If Mr. Anwyll had lights the police would have done thier job and prosecuted this woman for dangerous driving. Colbel, you are not playing with a full deck are you? Does your social worker know you are using the computer again? Gooby!
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8:16pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. colbel
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8:23pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Listen Gobby I will be the first to shake hands with whoever takes her license away for good befor she does some serious damage to someone, but like me you must admit its not always the driver who is to blame and vies versa. See once again ur getting personal RICHARD HEAD.
Listen Gobby I will be the first to shake hands with whoever takes her license away for good befor she does some serious damage to someone, but like me you must admit its not always the driver who is to blame and vies versa. See once again ur getting personal RICHARD HEAD. colbel
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8:27pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

And Gobby at work I bet ur a little yes man to the bosses and going around with ur tongue hanging out. MUPPET.
And Gobby at work I bet ur a little yes man to the bosses and going around with ur tongue hanging out. MUPPET. colbel
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8:36pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.
Nope- colbel you are being insulted because you are an idiot, an illiterate idiot.

A moron who does not understand the law, basic fundamentals of responsibility and even the most basic understanding of taxation. With all that ignorance you still seem very proud of an unreasoned point of view.

I can only assume your last nose picking mission was far more successful that anticipated because you seem to have pulled out your brain. When your body catches up and realises we will all be relieved.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.[/p][/quote]Nope- colbel you are being insulted because you are an idiot, an illiterate idiot. A moron who does not understand the law, basic fundamentals of responsibility and even the most basic understanding of taxation. With all that ignorance you still seem very proud of an unreasoned point of view. I can only assume your last nose picking mission was far more successful that anticipated because you seem to have pulled out your brain. When your body catches up and realises we will all be relieved. Gooby!
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8:52pm Tue 26 Mar 13

pmc_engineering says...

tricky1007 wrote:
“For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport.

Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!?
So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after?
1. "You are usually offered the same drivers awareness course..." Quite right, there are many occasions where a speeding offence (SP30 in this case) can be dealt with by means of a drivers awareness course, but in many cases you never have the option. I know this as a friend of mine has just been caught speeding (SP30) and no course was offered, neither has he ever attended one so your information in unfounded

2. In this case there is no punishment for the car driver who was at fault. A drivers awareness course may help to improve her driving habits and ultimately prevent her from running over another cyclist, but other than the cost of the course (~£125) she has got away without punishment. If there had been no consequence to her driving error then this would be a different story. She was in the wrong, she caused injury to another road user. The awareness course should go without saying, a charge for driving without due care and attention (penalty points and fine) should be on top.
[quote][p][bold]tricky1007[/bold] wrote: “For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport. Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!? So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after?[/p][/quote]1. "You are usually offered the same drivers awareness course..." Quite right, there are many occasions where a speeding offence (SP30 in this case) can be dealt with by means of a drivers awareness course, but in many cases you never have the option. I know this as a friend of mine has just been caught speeding (SP30) and no course was offered, neither has he ever attended one so your information in unfounded 2. In this case there is no punishment for the car driver who was at fault. A drivers awareness course may help to improve her driving habits and ultimately prevent her from running over another cyclist, but other than the cost of the course (~£125) she has got away without punishment. If there had been no consequence to her driving error then this would be a different story. She was in the wrong, she caused injury to another road user. The awareness course should go without saying, a charge for driving without due care and attention (penalty points and fine) should be on top. pmc_engineering
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9:03pm Tue 26 Mar 13

ashleycross says...

This is right by a school that my son attends and cycles to! Maybe if the police used bicycles they would take this more seriously. And another thing, this woman is my age and therefore probably on some kind of prescription medication for her nerves/hormones and/or over the counter sleeping pills. All women drivers of menopausal age should be routinely drugs tested after any accident. They are far worse for driving on drugs than any other age group.
This is right by a school that my son attends and cycles to! Maybe if the police used bicycles they would take this more seriously. And another thing, this woman is my age and therefore probably on some kind of prescription medication for her nerves/hormones and/or over the counter sleeping pills. All women drivers of menopausal age should be routinely drugs tested after any accident. They are far worse for driving on drugs than any other age group. ashleycross
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9:11pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Oi Gobby ain't it time you should be in bed as you must be up for ur paper round in the morning on ur BMX bike wearing ur Lycra shorts and Cycling Gloves, what are they all about bleeding Cycling Gloves. FREAK.
Oi Gobby ain't it time you should be in bed as you must be up for ur paper round in the morning on ur BMX bike wearing ur Lycra shorts and Cycling Gloves, what are they all about bleeding Cycling Gloves. FREAK. colbel
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9:11pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Oi Gobby ain't it time you should be in bed as you must be up for ur paper round in the morning on ur BMX bike wearing ur Lycra shorts and Cycling Gloves, what are they all about bleeding Cycling Gloves. FREAK.
Oi Gobby ain't it time you should be in bed as you must be up for ur paper round in the morning on ur BMX bike wearing ur Lycra shorts and Cycling Gloves, what are they all about bleeding Cycling Gloves. FREAK. colbel
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9:31pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Bournemouth2014 says...

Looks like the bike only needs a new back wheel.
Looks like the bike only needs a new back wheel. Bournemouth2014
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9:46pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Ah that's good I'm so relieved.....!!!
Ah that's good I'm so relieved.....!!! colbel
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9:49pm Tue 26 Mar 13

PokesdownMark says...

RhiaWeston wrote:
Mike needs to get in touch with the police and tell them he is not satisfied with the further action they wish to take and request that the driver be charged with dangerous driving. It is in his rights to do so and as a road safety campaigner I have spoken with several people who have managed to change the police decision not to charge.

If the driver is found guilty of dangerous driving she faces not only a fine and points but also a compulsory re-test and driving ban, which would go a long way to improving her driving behaviour. If she was convicted of careless driving she would also face a possible re-test and ban. This would be far more effective than a driver awareness course.
Yes it seems mad that this drivers insurance company will not know about this very serious driving error. I hope this situation is corrected.
[quote][p][bold]RhiaWeston[/bold] wrote: Mike needs to get in touch with the police and tell them he is not satisfied with the further action they wish to take and request that the driver be charged with dangerous driving. It is in his rights to do so and as a road safety campaigner I have spoken with several people who have managed to change the police decision not to charge. If the driver is found guilty of dangerous driving she faces not only a fine and points but also a compulsory re-test and driving ban, which would go a long way to improving her driving behaviour. If she was convicted of careless driving she would also face a possible re-test and ban. This would be far more effective than a driver awareness course.[/p][/quote]Yes it seems mad that this drivers insurance company will not know about this very serious driving error. I hope this situation is corrected. PokesdownMark
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9:56pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

So a commenter can say how he hates cyclists but I can't correct his grammar without getting my comments blocked. Pathetic.
So a commenter can say how he hates cyclists but I can't correct his grammar without getting my comments blocked. Pathetic. Imaximus
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10:01pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

colbel wrote:
Oi Gobby ain't it time you should be in bed as you must be up for ur paper round in the morning on ur BMX bike wearing ur Lycra shorts and Cycling Gloves, what are they all about bleeding Cycling Gloves. FREAK.
Colbel. ..... Its "your" or are you going to report me. If you are going to argue. Learn English. Richard head is the comment you used.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Oi Gobby ain't it time you should be in bed as you must be up for ur paper round in the morning on ur BMX bike wearing ur Lycra shorts and Cycling Gloves, what are they all about bleeding Cycling Gloves. FREAK.[/p][/quote]Colbel. ..... Its "your" or are you going to report me. If you are going to argue. Learn English. Richard head is the comment you used. Imaximus
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10:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

colbel wrote:
Oi Gobby ain't it time you should be in bed as you must be up for ur paper round in the morning on ur BMX bike wearing ur Lycra shorts and Cycling Gloves, what are they all about bleeding Cycling Gloves. FREAK.
How is your lego. Is it confusing you?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Oi Gobby ain't it time you should be in bed as you must be up for ur paper round in the morning on ur BMX bike wearing ur Lycra shorts and Cycling Gloves, what are they all about bleeding Cycling Gloves. FREAK.[/p][/quote]How is your lego. Is it confusing you? Imaximus
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10:09pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

2 more brain cells and you could be a sunflower.
2 more brain cells and you could be a sunflower. Imaximus
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10:10pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

colbel wrote:
And what abt the cycling pro tests they used to have or have they been replaced by telling the cyclist do what you like ride like an idiot and wherever you like with all disregard to pedestrian s and then moan when someone hits you.
Its "about"
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: And what abt the cycling pro tests they used to have or have they been replaced by telling the cyclist do what you like ride like an idiot and wherever you like with all disregard to pedestrian s and then moan when someone hits you.[/p][/quote]Its "about" Imaximus
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10:13pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

colbel wrote:
No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.
Its "should"
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.[/p][/quote]Its "should" Imaximus
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10:15pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

colbel wrote:
Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.
Its "well"
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.[/p][/quote]Its "well" Imaximus
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10:18pm Tue 26 Mar 13

HRH of Boscombe says...

Not surprised! When do you see the plod out of their swinemobiles these days?
Not surprised! When do you see the plod out of their swinemobiles these days? HRH of Boscombe
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10:26pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

colbel wrote:
Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.
Its "because" and its "nose" and "wiggins" shall I hold your hand as you cross the road........and please stop putting capitals in the middle of a sentence. I shall continue to rip you apart till you stop being stupid.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.[/p][/quote]Its "because" and its "nose" and "wiggins" shall I hold your hand as you cross the road........and please stop putting capitals in the middle of a sentence. I shall continue to rip you apart till you stop being stupid. Imaximus
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10:29pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

I think he's the waterboy
I think he's the waterboy Imaximus
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10:31pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cycletourer says...

Just wondering if any motorist would give me a couple of hundred pounds.Not a loan you wont get it back and I wont tell you what it is for.I am expecting alot of you will because you already hand over your money when it's time to renew your VED disc and it's pretty obvious none of you know what you are actually paying it for.AND IT'S NOT THE ROADS.
Just wondering if any motorist would give me a couple of hundred pounds.Not a loan you wont get it back and I wont tell you what it is for.I am expecting alot of you will because you already hand over your money when it's time to renew your VED disc and it's pretty obvious none of you know what you are actually paying it for.AND IT'S NOT THE ROADS. cycletourer
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10:34pm Tue 26 Mar 13

littlelawn says...

Horridbloke wrote:
Why is he wearing a helmet in that photo?
Because if he wasn't wearing it people would say: "you see! another stupid cyclist not wearing helmet!!". I'm surprised he is not wearing a hiviz jacket too and flashing lights so no drivers can't complain they can't see us!
[quote][p][bold]Horridbloke[/bold] wrote: Why is he wearing a helmet in that photo?[/p][/quote]Because if he wasn't wearing it people would say: "you see! another stupid cyclist not wearing helmet!!". I'm surprised he is not wearing a hiviz jacket too and flashing lights so no drivers can't complain they can't see us! littlelawn
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10:35pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

cycletourer wrote:
Just wondering if any motorist would give me a couple of hundred pounds.Not a loan you wont get it back and I wont tell you what it is for.I am expecting alot of you will because you already hand over your money when it's time to renew your VED disc and it's pretty obvious none of you know what you are actually paying it for.AND IT'S NOT THE ROADS.
Exactly. Great simple post. Well done. Hats off to you.
[quote][p][bold]cycletourer[/bold] wrote: Just wondering if any motorist would give me a couple of hundred pounds.Not a loan you wont get it back and I wont tell you what it is for.I am expecting alot of you will because you already hand over your money when it's time to renew your VED disc and it's pretty obvious none of you know what you are actually paying it for.AND IT'S NOT THE ROADS.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Great simple post. Well done. Hats off to you. Imaximus
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10:46pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.
I cycle, and drive and am also a qualified professional driver who also has transport management certifications. But I can spell "want" "main" "their" "your" "you" "because" next argument please.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.[/p][/quote]I cycle, and drive and am also a qualified professional driver who also has transport management certifications. But I can spell "want" "main" "their" "your" "you" "because" next argument please. Imaximus
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10:53pm Tue 26 Mar 13

littlelawn says...

bobsworthforever wrote:
Was it light or dark did he have any lights on if it was dark? I passed 3 bikers on Monday at 8 o'clock none had lights on no police about to stop them, but they would have if it had been me in my car.
At 8 o'clock? in the morning? if you can't see a cyclist at that time, then you need to have a sight test!
[quote][p][bold]bobsworthforever[/bold] wrote: Was it light or dark did he have any lights on if it was dark? I passed 3 bikers on Monday at 8 o'clock none had lights on no police about to stop them, but they would have if it had been me in my car.[/p][/quote]At 8 o'clock? in the morning? if you can't see a cyclist at that time, then you need to have a sight test! littlelawn
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11:03pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!!
Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!! colbel
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11:09pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

colbel wrote:
Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!!
Its "because" and "you're" and "those and not them" shall I continue......? You are making this too easy. Is red lego your favourite?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!![/p][/quote]Its "because" and "you're" and "those and not them" shall I continue......? You are making this too easy. Is red lego your favourite? Imaximus
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11:17pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

Dear oh dear. And this is a "professional driver"
Dear oh dear. And this is a "professional driver" Imaximus
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11:18pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

No blue actually, has your ageing mother you live with got your hot water bottle ready yet cuz oh sorry Mr Perfect because your type are normally in bed by nine. YOU VERY SAD MAN. OH BUT AS YOU SAY YOUR BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
No blue actually, has your ageing mother you live with got your hot water bottle ready yet cuz oh sorry Mr Perfect because your type are normally in bed by nine. YOU VERY SAD MAN. OH BUT AS YOU SAY YOUR BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. colbel
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11:29pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

Its "because" and my mum's dead but I do have a nice four bedroom house in Christchurch that I share with my wife and two beautiful children. Fair play for knowing nine o'clock though. Didn't think you could count that high. I'm impressed. Well done.
Its "because" and my mum's dead but I do have a nice four bedroom house in Christchurch that I share with my wife and two beautiful children. Fair play for knowing nine o'clock though. Didn't think you could count that high. I'm impressed. Well done. Imaximus
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11:32pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cycletourer says...

Imaximus wrote:
colbel wrote:
Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!!
Its "because" and "you're" and "those and not them" shall I continue......? You are making this too easy. Is red lego your favourite?
Now you've done it ,you have mentioned Lego,they toy that has come from the part of Europe that understands the way in transport that people who can pick up a loaf of bread or a pint of milk without using a gallon of fuel to save shoe leather.**** cycle loving Europeons ;-P
[quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!![/p][/quote]Its "because" and "you're" and "those and not them" shall I continue......? You are making this too easy. Is red lego your favourite?[/p][/quote]Now you've done it ,you have mentioned Lego,they toy that has come from the part of Europe that understands the way in transport that people who can pick up a loaf of bread or a pint of milk without using a gallon of fuel to save shoe leather.**** cycle loving Europeons ;-P cycletourer
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11:53pm Tue 26 Mar 13

cycletourer says...

why does the Echo star out the word D A M N when i post it(Spaced to stop it)Is that such a terrible word.....just asking
why does the Echo star out the word D A M N when i post it(Spaced to stop it)Is that such a terrible word.....just asking cycletourer
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11:53pm Tue 26 Mar 13

colbel says...

Anyway Imaximus sorry abt your mum but just like mine passed away a few years ago but still miss her. Thanks for your comments today and enjoyed it. Hope you or anyone else was not offended by some of my comments if you were, TOUGH. Goodnight.
Anyway Imaximus sorry abt your mum but just like mine passed away a few years ago but still miss her. Thanks for your comments today and enjoyed it. Hope you or anyone else was not offended by some of my comments if you were, TOUGH. Goodnight. colbel
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12:04am Wed 27 Mar 13

Gooby! says...

Imaximus wrote:
colbel wrote:
Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.
Its "because" and its "nose" and "wiggins" shall I hold your hand as you cross the road........and please stop putting capitals in the middle of a sentence. I shall continue to rip you apart till you stop being stupid.
It may take some time.
[quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.[/p][/quote]Its "because" and its "nose" and "wiggins" shall I hold your hand as you cross the road........and please stop putting capitals in the middle of a sentence. I shall continue to rip you apart till you stop being stupid.[/p][/quote]It may take some time. Gooby!
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12:19am Wed 27 Mar 13

colbel says...

Oi Gobby mouth you could not rip wet paper apart and stop trying to be like Imaximus because at least he's not nasty and aggressive like you and has a brain you bleeding pig headed muppet. I'm sure I wiped you off the bottom of my shoe after you had come out of some dirty old dogs backside. God wasted a bleeding good a.se when he put teeth in your mouth because of all the crap that comes out of it.
Oi Gobby mouth you could not rip wet paper apart and stop trying to be like Imaximus because at least he's not nasty and aggressive like you and has a brain you bleeding pig headed muppet. I'm sure I wiped you off the bottom of my shoe after you had come out of some dirty old dogs backside. God wasted a bleeding good a.se when he put teeth in your mouth because of all the crap that comes out of it. colbel
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1:17am Wed 27 Mar 13

cycletourer says...

Gooby! wrote:
Imaximus wrote:
colbel wrote:
Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.
Its "because" and its "nose" and "wiggins" shall I hold your hand as you cross the road........and please stop putting capitals in the middle of a sentence. I shall continue to rip you apart till you stop being stupid.
It may take some time.
mentioned Bradley Wiggens but oh so afraid to say how you know the name because it involves cycling.May i mention Jenson Button,Formula 1,Touring cars,Banger racing,Motor cross,Moto gp and any other form of motor racing.I may cycle but i look past the left from right and see what everyone else see's.And embrace any form of sport where winners become a name you remember.
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Waste of time trying put forward a reasonable reply against you Lycra Loving Bradley Wiggens ( and that's someone I've never heard of before until he cycled somewhere but don't ask me where) Wannabes cuz oh sorryTroll Lover because you can't see further than the end of your noses.[/p][/quote]Its "because" and its "nose" and "wiggins" shall I hold your hand as you cross the road........and please stop putting capitals in the middle of a sentence. I shall continue to rip you apart till you stop being stupid.[/p][/quote]It may take some time.[/p][/quote]mentioned Bradley Wiggens but oh so afraid to say how you know the name because it involves cycling.May i mention Jenson Button,Formula 1,Touring cars,Banger racing,Motor cross,Moto gp and any other form of motor racing.I may cycle but i look past the left from right and see what everyone else see's.And embrace any form of sport where winners become a name you remember. cycletourer
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1:30am Wed 27 Mar 13

colbel says...

Bet you never heard of Wiggens untill he won the Yellow Jersey. And for your information I love my football golf and cricket the rest you stick where the sun don't shine ESP all that Olympics rubbish, oh yeah and what came out of that. The only true winners to me were the Paraolympics in which I watched very day, true hero's to me not them ex public school born with silver spoon in there mouths. .
Bet you never heard of Wiggens untill he won the Yellow Jersey. And for your information I love my football golf and cricket the rest you stick where the sun don't shine ESP all that Olympics rubbish, oh yeah and what came out of that. The only true winners to me were the Paraolympics in which I watched very day, true hero's to me not them ex public school born with silver spoon in there mouths. . colbel
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7:53am Wed 27 Mar 13

retry69 says...

Imaximus wrote:
colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.
I cycle, and drive and am also a qualified professional driver who also has transport management certifications. But I can spell "want" "main" "their" "your" "you" "because" next argument please.
Hi this is not a wind up nor any disrespect to you but can YOU tell me what your actual profession is as when these discussions crop up we have had "professional "drivers post comment and when asked the same question like the guy on here they remain silent,i believe there are many of us who think the term "professional driver" is used by those that are not.Its none of my buisness what you do but it is purely for information.By the way dont bother correcting my grammatical errors,i know my failings but that does not forfeit my right to an opinion LOL
[quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.[/p][/quote]I cycle, and drive and am also a qualified professional driver who also has transport management certifications. But I can spell "want" "main" "their" "your" "you" "because" next argument please.[/p][/quote]Hi this is not a wind up nor any disrespect to you but can YOU tell me what your actual profession is as when these discussions crop up we have had "professional "drivers post comment and when asked the same question like the guy on here they remain silent,i believe there are many of us who think the term "professional driver" is used by those that are not.Its none of my buisness what you do but it is purely for information.By the way dont bother correcting my grammatical errors,i know my failings but that does not forfeit my right to an opinion LOL retry69
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8:44am Wed 27 Mar 13

spragger says...

You often wonder how many of these people hold a Licence. Nowadays if they are not staring at their groin furtively texting away, they are trying to run innocent cyclists over.
She needs a penalty not some daft course which she will not listen to a thing
You often wonder how many of these people hold a Licence. Nowadays if they are not staring at their groin furtively texting away, they are trying to run innocent cyclists over. She needs a penalty not some daft course which she will not listen to a thing spragger
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8:50am Wed 27 Mar 13

Dibbles2 says...

Pot -Kettle.

It has amazed me how many of the same posters that also commented on another recent accident where someone died wanted the driver hung drawn and quartered! All before the facts about him were released!
Pot -Kettle. It has amazed me how many of the same posters that also commented on another recent accident where someone died wanted the driver hung drawn and quartered! All before the facts about him were released! Dibbles2
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8:57am Wed 27 Mar 13

Imaximus says...

retry69 wrote:
Imaximus wrote:
colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.
I cycle, and drive and am also a qualified professional driver who also has transport management certifications. But I can spell "want" "main" "their" "your" "you" "because" next argument please.
Hi this is not a wind up nor any disrespect to you but can YOU tell me what your actual profession is as when these discussions crop up we have had "professional "drivers post comment and when asked the same question like the guy on here they remain silent,i believe there are many of us who think the term "professional driver" is used by those that are not.Its none of my buisness what you do but it is purely for information.By the way dont bother correcting my grammatical errors,i know my failings but that does not forfeit my right to an opinion LOL
Hi retry,
No problem at all. I am currently an operations manager for a large transport company. I have car, motorbike and a cat D licence which is a Bus/Coach licence. I hold a drivers Certificate in Professional Competence (Drivers CPC) and also Managerial CPC in freight transport. I also enjoy cycling a lot. Don't worry, I only troll those that deserve it and you are a good poster. Hope that helps.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.[/p][/quote]I cycle, and drive and am also a qualified professional driver who also has transport management certifications. But I can spell "want" "main" "their" "your" "you" "because" next argument please.[/p][/quote]Hi this is not a wind up nor any disrespect to you but can YOU tell me what your actual profession is as when these discussions crop up we have had "professional "drivers post comment and when asked the same question like the guy on here they remain silent,i believe there are many of us who think the term "professional driver" is used by those that are not.Its none of my buisness what you do but it is purely for information.By the way dont bother correcting my grammatical errors,i know my failings but that does not forfeit my right to an opinion LOL[/p][/quote]Hi retry, No problem at all. I am currently an operations manager for a large transport company. I have car, motorbike and a cat D licence which is a Bus/Coach licence. I hold a drivers Certificate in Professional Competence (Drivers CPC) and also Managerial CPC in freight transport. I also enjoy cycling a lot. Don't worry, I only troll those that deserve it and you are a good poster. Hope that helps. Imaximus
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9:21am Wed 27 Mar 13

retry69 says...

Imaximus wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Imaximus wrote:
colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.
I cycle, and drive and am also a qualified professional driver who also has transport management certifications. But I can spell "want" "main" "their" "your" "you" "because" next argument please.
Hi this is not a wind up nor any disrespect to you but can YOU tell me what your actual profession is as when these discussions crop up we have had "professional "drivers post comment and when asked the same question like the guy on here they remain silent,i believe there are many of us who think the term "professional driver" is used by those that are not.Its none of my buisness what you do but it is purely for information.By the way dont bother correcting my grammatical errors,i know my failings but that does not forfeit my right to an opinion LOL
Hi retry,
No problem at all. I am currently an operations manager for a large transport company. I have car, motorbike and a cat D licence which is a Bus/Coach licence. I hold a drivers Certificate in Professional Competence (Drivers CPC) and also Managerial CPC in freight transport. I also enjoy cycling a lot. Don't worry, I only troll those that deserve it and you are a good poster. Hope that helps.
Thanks for that a far cry from a white van man that considered himself a "professional" driver and also the florist rep who stated the same.I have written letters to the Echo numerous times regarding this hoping that by printing one that we could get it clarified but they have chosen not to,i wonder why? LOL Thanks again
[quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.[/p][/quote]I cycle, and drive and am also a qualified professional driver who also has transport management certifications. But I can spell "want" "main" "their" "your" "you" "because" next argument please.[/p][/quote]Hi this is not a wind up nor any disrespect to you but can YOU tell me what your actual profession is as when these discussions crop up we have had "professional "drivers post comment and when asked the same question like the guy on here they remain silent,i believe there are many of us who think the term "professional driver" is used by those that are not.Its none of my buisness what you do but it is purely for information.By the way dont bother correcting my grammatical errors,i know my failings but that does not forfeit my right to an opinion LOL[/p][/quote]Hi retry, No problem at all. I am currently an operations manager for a large transport company. I have car, motorbike and a cat D licence which is a Bus/Coach licence. I hold a drivers Certificate in Professional Competence (Drivers CPC) and also Managerial CPC in freight transport. I also enjoy cycling a lot. Don't worry, I only troll those that deserve it and you are a good poster. Hope that helps.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that a far cry from a white van man that considered himself a "professional" driver and also the florist rep who stated the same.I have written letters to the Echo numerous times regarding this hoping that by printing one that we could get it clarified but they have chosen not to,i wonder why? LOL Thanks again retry69
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9:30am Wed 27 Mar 13

scrumpyjack says...

colbel wrote:
Bet you never heard of Wiggens untill he won the Yellow Jersey. And for your information I love my football golf and cricket the rest you stick where the sun don't shine ESP all that Olympics rubbish, oh yeah and what came out of that. The only true winners to me were the Paraolympics in which I watched very day, true hero's to me not them ex public school born with silver spoon in there mouths. .
Are you Paul Whitehouse by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Bet you never heard of Wiggens untill he won the Yellow Jersey. And for your information I love my football golf and cricket the rest you stick where the sun don't shine ESP all that Olympics rubbish, oh yeah and what came out of that. The only true winners to me were the Paraolympics in which I watched very day, true hero's to me not them ex public school born with silver spoon in there mouths. .[/p][/quote]Are you Paul Whitehouse by any chance? scrumpyjack
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11:08am Wed 27 Mar 13

MJD says...

Put money on it, the cyclist was not wearing HIGH VIS ???
Put money on it, the cyclist was not wearing HIGH VIS ??? MJD
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11:36am Wed 27 Mar 13

Professor Zaroff says...

MJD wrote:
Put money on it, the cyclist was not wearing HIGH VIS ???
What relevance does this have to the story?
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Put money on it, the cyclist was not wearing HIGH VIS ???[/p][/quote]What relevance does this have to the story? Professor Zaroff
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11:40am Wed 27 Mar 13

uvox44 says...

mjd- are you just a troll or was that meant to be a worthwhile comment? Have you actually read the story or did you just see the word "cyclist"?
mjd- are you just a troll or was that meant to be a worthwhile comment? Have you actually read the story or did you just see the word "cyclist"? uvox44
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11:46am Wed 27 Mar 13

Professor Zaroff says...

Imaximus wrote:
colbel wrote:
No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.
Its "should"
It's "it's"
[quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: No you need to get real cyclist use the road like anyone else so shld pay and why should I have to pay for cycle lanes out of my road tax and road tax is not only to do with pollution.SO YOU GET REAL.[/p][/quote]Its "should"[/p][/quote]It's "it's" Professor Zaroff
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12:15pm Wed 27 Mar 13

grazzer says...

l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads?
l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads? grazzer
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1:59pm Wed 27 Mar 13

hamworthygirl says...

grazzer wrote:
l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads?
Beat me to the same comment, we all have our opinions but we need to put the without insults.
[quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads?[/p][/quote]Beat me to the same comment, we all have our opinions but we need to put the without insults. hamworthygirl
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2:11pm Wed 27 Mar 13

FNS-man says...

littlelawn wrote:
bobsworthforever wrote:
Was it light or dark did he have any lights on if it was dark? I passed 3 bikers on Monday at 8 o'clock none had lights on no police about to stop them, but they would have if it had been me in my car.
At 8 o'clock? in the morning? if you can't see a cyclist at that time, then you need to have a sight test!
And I suppose if the cyclist was more visible, then the motorist wouldn't have lost control of the car, swerved off the road over a grass verge and onto the cycle path? I think you are taking victim-blaming to a whole new level here.

This incident is absolutely terrible. If it had been a child or a pensioner riding along the results could have been a lot worse. How can it not result in some sort of charge?
[quote][p][bold]littlelawn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobsworthforever[/bold] wrote: Was it light or dark did he have any lights on if it was dark? I passed 3 bikers on Monday at 8 o'clock none had lights on no police about to stop them, but they would have if it had been me in my car.[/p][/quote]At 8 o'clock? in the morning? if you can't see a cyclist at that time, then you need to have a sight test![/p][/quote]And I suppose if the cyclist was more visible, then the motorist wouldn't have lost control of the car, swerved off the road over a grass verge and onto the cycle path? I think you are taking victim-blaming to a whole new level here. This incident is absolutely terrible. If it had been a child or a pensioner riding along the results could have been a lot worse. How can it not result in some sort of charge? FNS-man
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2:27pm Wed 27 Mar 13

mikeba says...

grazzer wrote:
l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads?
Absolutely .... makes reading it an absolute nonsense ... most of the writers should be sending their words to the Dandy or the Beano !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads?[/p][/quote]Absolutely .... makes reading it an absolute nonsense ... most of the writers should be sending their words to the Dandy or the Beano !!!!! mikeba
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2:27pm Wed 27 Mar 13

mikeba says...

grazzer wrote:
l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads?
Absolutely .... makes reading it an absolute nonsense ... most of the writers should be sending their words to the Dandy or the Beano !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads?[/p][/quote]Absolutely .... makes reading it an absolute nonsense ... most of the writers should be sending their words to the Dandy or the Beano !!!!! mikeba
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2:58pm Wed 27 Mar 13

weevie says...

BLIMMEY!!! where is this cycle path with a verge between the traffic and the cyclists? Fantastic! Make them ALL like that and you'll see hundreds NOT in cars and many more on bikes.
BLIMMEY!!! where is this cycle path with a verge between the traffic and the cyclists? Fantastic! Make them ALL like that and you'll see hundreds NOT in cars and many more on bikes. weevie
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3:51pm Wed 27 Mar 13

O'Reilly says...

N Smith wrote:
I attended a driver awareness course and five of the people on the course had been there several times.?????!!!
You have to pay to attend these DAC's (about 80 quid + VAT)....You are only allowed to attend the course once.
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: I attended a driver awareness course and five of the people on the course had been there several times.?????!!![/p][/quote]You have to pay to attend these DAC's (about 80 quid + VAT)....You are only allowed to attend the course once. O'Reilly
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4:01pm Wed 27 Mar 13

O'Reilly says...

mikeba wrote:
grazzer wrote:
l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads?
Absolutely .... makes reading it an absolute nonsense ... most of the writers should be sending their words to the Dandy or the Beano !!!!!
Viz might be more appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]mikeba[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: l find it extremely worrying that so many bloggers on this site are unable to voice their opinion or share their views without resorting to personal insults and mud slinging..How can they reasonably expect anyone to respect their views when they are incapable of keeping a civil tongue in their heads?[/p][/quote]Absolutely .... makes reading it an absolute nonsense ... most of the writers should be sending their words to the Dandy or the Beano !!!!![/p][/quote]Viz might be more appropriate. O'Reilly
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4:13pm Wed 27 Mar 13

mikeba says...

O'Reilly wrote:
N Smith wrote:
I attended a driver awareness course and five of the people on the course had been there several times.?????!!!
You have to pay to attend these DAC's (about 80 quid + VAT)....You are only allowed to attend the course once.
Is it not more than one course in a twelve month period???? Not sure myself!
[quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: I attended a driver awareness course and five of the people on the course had been there several times.?????!!![/p][/quote]You have to pay to attend these DAC's (about 80 quid + VAT)....You are only allowed to attend the course once.[/p][/quote]Is it not more than one course in a twelve month period???? Not sure myself! mikeba
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4:18pm Wed 27 Mar 13

no vested interest says...

Ah ha,many comments = contentious issue,that with some,borders on the unreasonable borders of Cognative Dissonance,comes to the attention of expat to online news of hometown in Echo....
Cognative Dissonance,yes well this happens when bias blinds the recipient to the reality of both sides to every debate because said recipients have a vested interest in only one side.
Now and here's the rub,knowing Gravel Hill,the cycle path would of been used by pedestrians too because of the narrowness of road and off road footpath.
Now if the victim in this case had been a woman with a child in a pram and not a cycle user then the car driving biased above comments would of course been baying for blood,ooh yeah I can read you like a book.
Being brought up in the area close to Gravel Hill,going back 40yrs of whittling it piece meal into its present shape,has witnessed a quite a few horrific car crashes and will always be a problem with the traffic flow it carry's.
The chauvinistic comments of the car driving public above whinge and typically moan about cycle users with same old lines of narrow minded rant.
While its always great to be reassured by the constancy of their mean and nasty views on their fellow humans and ignorant attitude of this subject and others in the Echo.
It does sadden me from this distance that attitudes change so slowly or get worse,in such a beautiful part of my county of birth.
Where I live 85% of all cycle users own cars too and so DO pay their road tax and yes we are very proud of the achievements of our cyclist sportsmen and women,which some of the above opionistas seem almost proudly and curmudgeonly ignorant of.
It would be a relief though to see some of these serial opionistas be not so hard hearted,mean spirited and sad.
Beautiful country shame about some of the people that live there,your welcome to it,nice for a visit,would'nt want to live there though......
Ah ha,many comments = contentious issue,that with some,borders on the unreasonable borders of Cognative Dissonance,comes to the attention of expat to online news of hometown in Echo.... Cognative Dissonance,yes well this happens when bias blinds the recipient to the reality of both sides to every debate because said recipients have a vested interest in only one side. Now and here's the rub,knowing Gravel Hill,the cycle path would of been used by pedestrians too because of the narrowness of road and off road footpath. Now if the victim in this case had been a woman with a child in a pram and not a cycle user then the car driving biased above comments would of course been baying for blood,ooh yeah I can read you like a book. Being brought up in the area close to Gravel Hill,going back 40yrs of whittling it piece meal into its present shape,has witnessed a quite a few horrific car crashes and will always be a problem with the traffic flow it carry's. The chauvinistic comments of the car driving public above whinge and typically moan about cycle users with same old lines of narrow minded rant. While its always great to be reassured by the constancy of their mean and nasty views on their fellow humans and ignorant attitude of this subject and others in the Echo. It does sadden me from this distance that attitudes change so slowly or get worse,in such a beautiful part of my county of birth. Where I live 85% of all cycle users own cars too and so DO pay their road tax and yes we are very proud of the achievements of our cyclist sportsmen and women,which some of the above opionistas seem almost proudly and curmudgeonly ignorant of. It would be a relief though to see some of these serial opionistas be not so hard hearted,mean spirited and sad. Beautiful country shame about some of the people that live there,your welcome to it,nice for a visit,would'nt want to live there though...... no vested interest
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5:11pm Wed 27 Mar 13

christchurch long time resident says...

i dont think drivers awareness course should be dismissed completely my friend attented one after speeding and now is disgustingly slower she says the things they showed her she is not taking the risk again by speeding at all, if you did not have to pay for them id put in for one myself maybe it would help my driving , im not a bad driver but i do know there could be improvements and maybe this course could aid in that. if it was free id definatly be putting in to do one. anything that helps make the road safer, she could get points or she can get more aware of what she does while driving, she could of killed him but she didnt so in this case the course could be a good choice, make her more aware of what bad things she does and how not to lose control of the car ??
i have issues like everyone about bikers and motor bikes as ive been followed for miles in an attempt to have a go because its my fault the bikers cant or wont indicate. but in this case its moot.
i hope the course does help this lady as its very scary when people step out in frount of my car its my greatest fear hurting or killing someone .
i dont think drivers awareness course should be dismissed completely my friend attented one after speeding and now is disgustingly slower she says the things they showed her she is not taking the risk again by speeding at all, if you did not have to pay for them id put in for one myself maybe it would help my driving , im not a bad driver but i do know there could be improvements and maybe this course could aid in that. if it was free id definatly be putting in to do one. anything that helps make the road safer, she could get points or she can get more aware of what she does while driving, she could of killed him but she didnt so in this case the course could be a good choice, make her more aware of what bad things she does and how not to lose control of the car ?? i have issues like everyone about bikers and motor bikes as ive been followed for miles in an attempt to have a go because its my fault the bikers cant or wont indicate. but in this case its moot. i hope the course does help this lady as its very scary when people step out in frount of my car its my greatest fear hurting or killing someone . christchurch long time resident
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8:33pm Wed 27 Mar 13

JonCris says...

"if she doesn't pay" is the key phrase 'Driver awareness' is just another money making scam dreamt up by officialdom
"if she doesn't pay" is the key phrase 'Driver awareness' is just another money making scam dreamt up by officialdom JonCris
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9:47pm Wed 27 Mar 13

Curly Jefferson says...

tricky1007 wrote:
“For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport.

Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!?
So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after?
That's not a cheap bike, who pays for that to be fixed?
[quote][p][bold]tricky1007[/bold] wrote: “For instance, my father-in-law was fined and got penalty points for doing 36mph at 4am on his way to the airport. Usually if you have done this sort of speed you are offered the same drivers awareness course, unless you have already attended one recently, so is this just half a story from this guy!? So you think sending the person to court and a bigger fine and maybe 6 points is better than retraining the driver? Or is it more than likely compensation you are after?[/p][/quote]That's not a cheap bike, who pays for that to be fixed? Curly Jefferson
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10:43pm Wed 27 Mar 13

VAGINADINER says...

I think this is getting out of hand and turning into a slanging match.
The woman was obviously at fault, as she actually crossed a grass verge before the impact with the cyclist. Therefore the woman should be penalised by the police for driving without care and attention.
PERSONALLY, I don't think the police can be @rsed with the paperwork anymore...

I was myself involved in a hit and run just over two years ago by Poole's Civic Centre/Park Gates. I hadn't a clue what had happened, but was informed by the police that I had been knocked off my bike and the "driver of the white van" had driven off.
The roads around Poole are becoming a battleground, and the cyclists are coming off worse. I think all the drivers around Poole need to be put on a bicycle and have to ride around to discover just how dangerous it is.
The cycle lanes/green boxes are there for a reason. Some people use these lanes as an extra bit of space for passing, and I'm including motorcyclists here as the amount of them who overtake lines of traffic only to come to rest in the green "CYCLE" (not "MOTORCYCLE") box.. There are bad cyclists out there, (I'm not perfect and I'll admit that!) but the impotus of a cycle plus cyclist hitting another object is CONSIDERABLY less than that of a two-ton car hitting one..
If you don't believe me, try this experiment..
Take a small toffee-hammer in one hand and hit the knuckles on your other hand with it.. (That is the impact of a cyclist hitting a slowly moving car)
Now repeat the experiment with a 4lb lump-hammer.. (That is the impact of a car hitting a slowly moving cyclist)

Now, which one hurts more?

And by the way, some of us cyclists have to use the pavements at times to avoid being hit by the "I pay taxes therefore I own the road" car drivers out there, who DELIBERATELY prevent cyclists from being able to pass when ques have built up at junctions. (Isn't deliberately causing an obstruction an offence?)
Oh, and if anyone says "It wasn't my fault, I just didn't see him" again, think again.. I have more flashing lights on my bike than a one-armed-bandit has when it pays out the jackpot, and I have a Klaxon so you can HEAR when you do wrong, and I now wear a cycle-helmet to prevent (what's left of) my brains being left in the road. (I also have a video-camera with INSTANT PLAYBACK so watch out!)
I'm not small either (I weigh 19st at the moment!) so don't even think of playing "Cyclist bottom pocket" (Bicycle Pool) with me..

We all make mistakes, just TRY not to in future, and keep an eye out for cyclists, because someone's gonna get hurt...

...Rant over
I think this is getting out of hand and turning into a slanging match. The woman was obviously at fault, as she actually crossed a grass verge before the impact with the cyclist. Therefore the woman should be penalised by the police for driving without care and attention. PERSONALLY, I don't think the police can be @rsed with the paperwork anymore... I was myself involved in a hit and run just over two years ago by Poole's Civic Centre/Park Gates. I hadn't a clue what had happened, but was informed by the police that I had been knocked off my bike and the "driver of the white van" had driven off. The roads around Poole are becoming a battleground, and the cyclists are coming off worse. I think all the drivers around Poole need to be put on a bicycle and have to ride around to discover just how dangerous it is. The cycle lanes/green boxes are there for a reason. Some people use these lanes as an extra bit of space for passing, and I'm including motorcyclists here as the amount of them who overtake lines of traffic only to come to rest in the green "CYCLE" (not "MOTORCYCLE") box.. There are bad cyclists out there, (I'm not perfect and I'll admit that!) but the impotus of a cycle plus cyclist hitting another object is CONSIDERABLY less than that of a two-ton car hitting one.. If you don't believe me, try this experiment.. Take a small toffee-hammer in one hand and hit the knuckles on your other hand with it.. (That is the impact of a cyclist hitting a slowly moving car) Now repeat the experiment with a 4lb lump-hammer.. (That is the impact of a car hitting a slowly moving cyclist) Now, which one hurts more? And by the way, some of us cyclists have to use the pavements at times to avoid being hit by the "I pay taxes therefore I own the road" car drivers out there, who DELIBERATELY prevent cyclists from being able to pass when ques have built up at junctions. (Isn't deliberately causing an obstruction an offence?) Oh, and if anyone says "It wasn't my fault, I just didn't see him" again, think again.. I have more flashing lights on my bike than a one-armed-bandit has when it pays out the jackpot, and I have a Klaxon so you can HEAR when you do wrong, and I now wear a cycle-helmet to prevent (what's left of) my brains being left in the road. (I also have a video-camera with INSTANT PLAYBACK so watch out!) I'm not small either (I weigh 19st at the moment!) so don't even think of playing "Cyclist bottom pocket" (Bicycle Pool) with me.. We all make mistakes, just TRY not to in future, and keep an eye out for cyclists, because someone's gonna get hurt... ...Rant over VAGINADINER
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7:32am Thu 28 Mar 13

Sharon65 says...

Sometimes there seems to. Be no rhyme or reason behind the decisions made by the police. I was hit by a car that jumped a red light and was told at the time they were going to charge the driver. She had been suffering headaches but not done anything about them and still had tennis lessons. Two months later I received a letter from the police to say no further action was being taken! Unfair on law abiding citizens who are minding their own business and have all the inconvenience of sorting out the mess.
Sometimes there seems to. Be no rhyme or reason behind the decisions made by the police. I was hit by a car that jumped a red light and was told at the time they were going to charge the driver. She had been suffering headaches but not done anything about them and still had tennis lessons. Two months later I received a letter from the police to say no further action was being taken! Unfair on law abiding citizens who are minding their own business and have all the inconvenience of sorting out the mess. Sharon65
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5:30pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Dibbles2 says...

colbel wrote:
Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!!
And it seems jealousy has gone to yours. Yes Imaximus has all that and quite frankly it does make him better than you!
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!![/p][/quote]And it seems jealousy has gone to yours. Yes Imaximus has all that and quite frankly it does make him better than you! Dibbles2
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5:40pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Dibbles2 says...

colbel says...
2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.”

colbel says...
1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel”

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.

Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
colbel says... 2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13 I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.” colbel says... 1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13 Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel” colbel wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! Dibbles2
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5:40pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Dibbles2 says...

colbel says...
2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.”

colbel says...
1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel”

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.

Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
colbel says... 2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13 I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.” colbel says... 1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13 Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel” colbel wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! Dibbles2
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9:56pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Dont drop litter says...

grazzer wrote:
Many comments on here are wholly inaccurate.lf a motorist is charged with doing 36mph in a 30 limit it is true to say that they will be liable to a fine and a 3 point penalty but they will ALSO have the option of attending a driver awareness course..One reader claimed that when he attended a driver awareness course some drivers were there for the 5th. time.Well you can only attend a course if you haven't been on one in the previous 3 years so to reach 5 visits you would have to attend one every 3 rears for 15 years and as they haven't even been in existence for that length of time,this is sheer nonsense
Fining this woman would do nothing to improve her driving skills.lt would be far more beneficial to subject her to an intensive retraining followed by a stringent retest before being allowed to drive again. Many people will probably disagree with this which means you are more interested in punishment than improving road safety
Actually you're wrong. It is possible to attend more than one driver awareness course if the offences occurred in different regions. I know people who have been caught speeding in Thames Valley and Hampshire and been invited to attend courses on both occasions.
The point of this story is that because no one was hurt, luckily, the Police haven't been consistent. A speeding driver doesn't automatically kill someone but the potential is increased. Crashing a car up the pavement displays a complete lack of competence and control of the vehicle so there is any number of reasons to charge her. Imagine if the cyclist had been a pedestrian - there is no doubt that the driver would have been treated differently.
[quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: Many comments on here are wholly inaccurate.lf a motorist is charged with doing 36mph in a 30 limit it is true to say that they will be liable to a fine and a 3 point penalty but they will ALSO have the option of attending a driver awareness course..One reader claimed that when he attended a driver awareness course some drivers were there for the 5th. time.Well you can only attend a course if you haven't been on one in the previous 3 years so to reach 5 visits you would have to attend one every 3 rears for 15 years and as they haven't even been in existence for that length of time,this is sheer nonsense Fining this woman would do nothing to improve her driving skills.lt would be far more beneficial to subject her to an intensive retraining followed by a stringent retest before being allowed to drive again. Many people will probably disagree with this which means you are more interested in punishment than improving road safety[/p][/quote]Actually you're wrong. It is possible to attend more than one driver awareness course if the offences occurred in different regions. I know people who have been caught speeding in Thames Valley and Hampshire and been invited to attend courses on both occasions. The point of this story is that because no one was hurt, luckily, the Police haven't been consistent. A speeding driver doesn't automatically kill someone but the potential is increased. Crashing a car up the pavement displays a complete lack of competence and control of the vehicle so there is any number of reasons to charge her. Imagine if the cyclist had been a pedestrian - there is no doubt that the driver would have been treated differently. Dont drop litter
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10:00pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Dont drop litter says...

colbel wrote:
Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.
This cyclist was on the pavement you drip.
Did you get help spelling your name on your licence? You don't seem bright enough to have written it on there yourself.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.[/p][/quote]This cyclist was on the pavement you drip. Did you get help spelling your name on your licence? You don't seem bright enough to have written it on there yourself. Dont drop litter
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10:29pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Dont drop litter says...

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.
You don't legally need lights on a motorbike as long as it has a daytime MOT. What difference do cycle lights make when riding on a cycle lane? There shouldn't be any cars on the cycle lane.
If you can't see a cyclist, lights or no lights, you won't see a lamp post or a pedestrian or someone walking a dog.
If you can't keep your car on the black stuff without crashing into things you shouldn't be driving.
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.[/p][/quote]You don't legally need lights on a motorbike as long as it has a daytime MOT. What difference do cycle lights make when riding on a cycle lane? There shouldn't be any cars on the cycle lane. If you can't see a cyclist, lights or no lights, you won't see a lamp post or a pedestrian or someone walking a dog. If you can't keep your car on the black stuff without crashing into things you shouldn't be driving. Dont drop litter
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2:56am Fri 29 Mar 13

Mikeyunibournemouth says...

The usual collection of poorly written ignorant comments from the Bournemouth Echo readership....
The usual collection of poorly written ignorant comments from the Bournemouth Echo readership.... Mikeyunibournemouth
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3:49am Fri 29 Mar 13

colbel says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
colbel wrote:
Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!!
And it seems jealousy has gone to yours. Yes Imaximus has all that and quite frankly it does make him better than you!
Oh Dibbles2 you're such a wonderful character, I just wish I could be as perfect as you, on the other hand maybe not. You're to serious, I bet its a barrel of laughs in your household at Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Oh Imaximus you are so much better than me cuz you can spell better than me and you have a Transport Management Certificate so that's better than me and you are a Professional driver so that's better than me, oh Imaximus ur such a wonderful person. I bet your one of them people who says DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? Powers gone to your head.....!!!![/p][/quote]And it seems jealousy has gone to yours. Yes Imaximus has all that and quite frankly it does make him better than you![/p][/quote]Oh Dibbles2 you're such a wonderful character, I just wish I could be as perfect as you, on the other hand maybe not. You're to serious, I bet its a barrel of laughs in your household at Christmas. colbel
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3:57am Fri 29 Mar 13

colbel says...

Dont drop litter wrote:
colbel wrote:
Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.
This cyclist was on the pavement you drip.
Did you get help spelling your name on your licence? You don't seem bright enough to have written it on there yourself.
Spelling was never one of my best subjects but at least I know what I'm good/bad at, but along with them other to serious muppets can't seem to see anything wrong with yourselves, but at least I'm very rich good looking and took early retirement at 40 and spend my time playing golf watching my favourite football team and helping less fortunate people than myself and they are a lot happier than you bunch of SADOS.
[quote][p][bold]Dont drop litter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.[/p][/quote]This cyclist was on the pavement you drip. Did you get help spelling your name on your licence? You don't seem bright enough to have written it on there yourself.[/p][/quote]Spelling was never one of my best subjects but at least I know what I'm good/bad at, but along with them other to serious muppets can't seem to see anything wrong with yourselves, but at least I'm very rich good looking and took early retirement at 40 and spend my time playing golf watching my favourite football team and helping less fortunate people than myself and they are a lot happier than you bunch of SADOS. colbel
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6:18am Fri 29 Mar 13

retry69 says...

colbel wrote:
Dont drop litter wrote:
colbel wrote:
Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.
This cyclist was on the pavement you drip.
Did you get help spelling your name on your licence? You don't seem bright enough to have written it on there yourself.
Spelling was never one of my best subjects but at least I know what I'm good/bad at, but along with them other to serious muppets can't seem to see anything wrong with yourselves, but at least I'm very rich good looking and took early retirement at 40 and spend my time playing golf watching my favourite football team and helping less fortunate people than myself and they are a lot happier than you bunch of SADOS.
Sorry Colbel due to the lack of proper moderation on this site and the fact my comment regarding the decline in wild birds was removed after all i said was "at least someone cares" i have to step in and say i cannot allow this comment so i am afraid its A YELLOW CARD for you
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dont drop litter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.[/p][/quote]This cyclist was on the pavement you drip. Did you get help spelling your name on your licence? You don't seem bright enough to have written it on there yourself.[/p][/quote]Spelling was never one of my best subjects but at least I know what I'm good/bad at, but along with them other to serious muppets can't seem to see anything wrong with yourselves, but at least I'm very rich good looking and took early retirement at 40 and spend my time playing golf watching my favourite football team and helping less fortunate people than myself and they are a lot happier than you bunch of SADOS.[/p][/quote]Sorry Colbel due to the lack of proper moderation on this site and the fact my comment regarding the decline in wild birds was removed after all i said was "at least someone cares" i have to step in and say i cannot allow this comment so i am afraid its A YELLOW CARD for you retry69
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1:38pm Fri 29 Mar 13

colbel says...

retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
Dont drop litter wrote:
colbel wrote:
Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.
This cyclist was on the pavement you drip.
Did you get help spelling your name on your licence? You don't seem bright enough to have written it on there yourself.
Spelling was never one of my best subjects but at least I know what I'm good/bad at, but along with them other to serious muppets can't seem to see anything wrong with yourselves, but at least I'm very rich good looking and took early retirement at 40 and spend my time playing golf watching my favourite football team and helping less fortunate people than myself and they are a lot happier than you bunch of SADOS.
Sorry Colbel due to the lack of proper moderation on this site and the fact my comment regarding the decline in wild birds was removed after all i said was "at least someone cares" i have to step in and say i cannot allow this comment so i am afraid its A YELLOW CARD for you
Does that mean if I get a another yellow card I will be sent off and suspended ?
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dont drop litter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: Yeah we'll you cyclists ain't perfect, I drive a lot of miles over the year and I see far worse cycling than driving ie cycling on pavements riding with no lights on there bikes and how thick is that I thought you would want to be seen. And it's about time you lot paid some sort of road tax and insurance.[/p][/quote]This cyclist was on the pavement you drip. Did you get help spelling your name on your licence? You don't seem bright enough to have written it on there yourself.[/p][/quote]Spelling was never one of my best subjects but at least I know what I'm good/bad at, but along with them other to serious muppets can't seem to see anything wrong with yourselves, but at least I'm very rich good looking and took early retirement at 40 and spend my time playing golf watching my favourite football team and helping less fortunate people than myself and they are a lot happier than you bunch of SADOS.[/p][/quote]Sorry Colbel due to the lack of proper moderation on this site and the fact my comment regarding the decline in wild birds was removed after all i said was "at least someone cares" i have to step in and say i cannot allow this comment so i am afraid its A YELLOW CARD for you[/p][/quote]Does that mean if I get a another yellow card I will be sent off and suspended ? colbel
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9:52am Sat 30 Mar 13

boardsandphotos says...

afcb-loyal wrote:
99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.
So it's all on the cyclist to change their then, nothing to do with the motorist at all, no responsibility to change or adapt driving style or attitude?

Well thankfully as us cyclists are far more intellectual and more highly evolved (well we all listen to radio 4 after all and all those hours of listening to the pontifications of Melvyn Bragg's 'In our time' must count for something) we'll be able to adapt to our surroundings like properly formed humans have been able to do for some time now.

Whereas the white van man, knuckle dragging ape that probably "reads" The Sun with his mouth open will continue to charge about with little or no regard for other road users all the while taking the higher moral ground of "Bigger vehicle, bigger tax, my road"

So many stereotypes going on here, it's just terrible, but I've had to lower myself down to your level in order to communicate with you effectively, almost as many stereotypes in this comment as made up stats in yours.

I loved those stats by the way too, did you do any research to come up with them or just scribble them down on the back of a fag packet with a crayon?

Why would we wear a helmet cam? I think you've answered your own question, the 99% of cyclists in which you spoke of, are aware that out there somewhere is an angry chimp driving a big white van.

Oh and you are probably eating a bacon sandwich and talking on your mobile phone and driving with your elbow, oh no! I've done it again, there I go with those stereotypes, this is going to make 57% of the people that read this very angry!

Anyway, I've had my say, I'm off to read The times and watch the cricket.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-loyal[/bold] wrote: 99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.[/p][/quote]So it's all on the cyclist to change their then, nothing to do with the motorist at all, no responsibility to change or adapt driving style or attitude? Well thankfully as us cyclists are far more intellectual and more highly evolved (well we all listen to radio 4 after all and all those hours of listening to the pontifications of Melvyn Bragg's 'In our time' must count for something) we'll be able to adapt to our surroundings like properly formed humans have been able to do for some time now. Whereas the white van man, knuckle dragging ape that probably "reads" The Sun with his mouth open will continue to charge about with little or no regard for other road users all the while taking the higher moral ground of "Bigger vehicle, bigger tax, my road" So many stereotypes going on here, it's just terrible, but I've had to lower myself down to your level in order to communicate with you effectively, almost as many stereotypes in this comment as made up stats in yours. I loved those stats by the way too, did you do any research to come up with them or just scribble them down on the back of a fag packet with a crayon? Why would we wear a helmet cam? I think you've answered your own question, the 99% of cyclists in which you spoke of, are aware that out there somewhere is an angry chimp driving a big white van. Oh and you are probably eating a bacon sandwich and talking on your mobile phone and driving with your elbow, oh no! I've done it again, there I go with those stereotypes, this is going to make 57% of the people that read this very angry! Anyway, I've had my say, I'm off to read The times and watch the cricket. boardsandphotos
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1:08pm Sat 30 Mar 13

colbel says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
afcb-loyal wrote:
99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.
So it's all on the cyclist to change their then, nothing to do with the motorist at all, no responsibility to change or adapt driving style or attitude?

Well thankfully as us cyclists are far more intellectual and more highly evolved (well we all listen to radio 4 after all and all those hours of listening to the pontifications of Melvyn Bragg's 'In our time' must count for something) we'll be able to adapt to our surroundings like properly formed humans have been able to do for some time now.

Whereas the white van man, knuckle dragging ape that probably "reads" The Sun with his mouth open will continue to charge about with little or no regard for other road users all the while taking the higher moral ground of "Bigger vehicle, bigger tax, my road"

So many stereotypes going on here, it's just terrible, but I've had to lower myself down to your level in order to communicate with you effectively, almost as many stereotypes in this comment as made up stats in yours.

I loved those stats by the way too, did you do any research to come up with them or just scribble them down on the back of a fag packet with a crayon?

Why would we wear a helmet cam? I think you've answered your own question, the 99% of cyclists in which you spoke of, are aware that out there somewhere is an angry chimp driving a big white van.

Oh and you are probably eating a bacon sandwich and talking on your mobile phone and driving with your elbow, oh no! I've done it again, there I go with those stereotypes, this is going to make 57% of the people that read this very angry!

Anyway, I've had my say, I'm off to read The times and watch the cricket.
Don't agree with all you put, but at least you made some sense and said you're going to watch the cricket.
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-loyal[/bold] wrote: 99% of cyclists are a pain in the ar5e to the motorists the sooner you cyclists realise this and stop moaning the better. attitudes wont change while we have the road system we currently use. Half of you in ya lycra thinking your Lance Armstrong doesnt help you adhere to the motorist either. The way half of you cycle proves you dont care about your own safety, nearly all of you have earphones in ya ears listening to radio 4 and if a motorist can see you have a helmet cam on we know your one of those idiots that is looking for any excuse to claim compensation. why else would you film your journey.[/p][/quote]So it's all on the cyclist to change their then, nothing to do with the motorist at all, no responsibility to change or adapt driving style or attitude? Well thankfully as us cyclists are far more intellectual and more highly evolved (well we all listen to radio 4 after all and all those hours of listening to the pontifications of Melvyn Bragg's 'In our time' must count for something) we'll be able to adapt to our surroundings like properly formed humans have been able to do for some time now. Whereas the white van man, knuckle dragging ape that probably "reads" The Sun with his mouth open will continue to charge about with little or no regard for other road users all the while taking the higher moral ground of "Bigger vehicle, bigger tax, my road" So many stereotypes going on here, it's just terrible, but I've had to lower myself down to your level in order to communicate with you effectively, almost as many stereotypes in this comment as made up stats in yours. I loved those stats by the way too, did you do any research to come up with them or just scribble them down on the back of a fag packet with a crayon? Why would we wear a helmet cam? I think you've answered your own question, the 99% of cyclists in which you spoke of, are aware that out there somewhere is an angry chimp driving a big white van. Oh and you are probably eating a bacon sandwich and talking on your mobile phone and driving with your elbow, oh no! I've done it again, there I go with those stereotypes, this is going to make 57% of the people that read this very angry! Anyway, I've had my say, I'm off to read The times and watch the cricket.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with all you put, but at least you made some sense and said you're going to watch the cricket. colbel
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2:56am Mon 1 Apr 13

colbel says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
colbel says...
2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.”

colbel says...
1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel”

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.

Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!
Muppet
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: colbel says... 2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13 I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.” colbel says... 1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13 Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel” colbel wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!![/p][/quote]Muppet colbel
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6:26am Mon 1 Apr 13

retry69 says...

colbel wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
colbel says...
2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.”

colbel says...
1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel”

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.

Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!
Muppet
Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over!
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: colbel says... 2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13 I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.” colbel says... 1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13 Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel” colbel wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!![/p][/quote]Muppet[/p][/quote]Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over! retry69
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8:39am Mon 1 Apr 13

colbel says...

retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
colbel says...
2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.”

colbel says...
1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel”

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.

Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!!!!!!
Muppet
Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over!
Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!!
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: colbel says... 2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13 I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.” colbel says... 1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13 Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel” colbel wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!![/p][/quote]Muppet[/p][/quote]Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over![/p][/quote]Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!! colbel
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9:04am Mon 1 Apr 13

retry69 says...

colbel wrote:
retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
colbel says...
2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.”

colbel says...
1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel”

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.

Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




!!!!!!
Muppet
Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over!
Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!!
You do that and you need to wrap up, just took the dog for a walk and its pretty cold out there
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: colbel says... 2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13 I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.” colbel says... 1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13 Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel” colbel wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!![/p][/quote]Muppet[/p][/quote]Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over![/p][/quote]Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!![/p][/quote]You do that and you need to wrap up, just took the dog for a walk and its pretty cold out there retry69
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9:56am Mon 1 Apr 13

retry69 says...

retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
colbel says...
2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.”

colbel says...
1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel”

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.

Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





!!!!!!
Muppet
Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over!
Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!!
You do that and you need to wrap up, just took the dog for a walk and its pretty cold out there
And of course they say opposites attract im ugly,broke and useless at sport where as you are,well you know what you are!
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: colbel says... 2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13 I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.” colbel says... 1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13 Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel” colbel wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!![/p][/quote]Muppet[/p][/quote]Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over![/p][/quote]Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!![/p][/quote]You do that and you need to wrap up, just took the dog for a walk and its pretty cold out there[/p][/quote]And of course they say opposites attract im ugly,broke and useless at sport where as you are,well you know what you are! retry69
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10:02am Mon 1 Apr 13

VAGINADINER says...

Calm down dearies!


There's nothing wrong with being ugly, broke and useless at sport....



.....I've been getting away with it for years!
Calm down dearies! There's nothing wrong with being ugly, broke and useless at sport.... .....I've been getting away with it for years! VAGINADINER
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10:52am Mon 1 Apr 13

retry69 says...

VAGINADINER wrote:
Calm down dearies!


There's nothing wrong with being ugly, broke and useless at sport....



.....I've been getting away with it for years!
Love the username lol
[quote][p][bold]VAGINADINER[/bold] wrote: Calm down dearies! There's nothing wrong with being ugly, broke and useless at sport.... .....I've been getting away with it for years![/p][/quote]Love the username lol retry69
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4:24pm Mon 1 Apr 13

colbel says...

retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
colbel says...
2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.”

colbel says...
1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel”

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.

Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






!!!!!!
Muppet
Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over!
Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!!
You do that and you need to wrap up, just took the dog for a walk and its pretty cold out there
And of course they say opposites attract im ugly,broke and useless at sport where as you are,well you know what you are!
Well retry69, you were right it was cold out there, but I took heed in what you said and wrapped up warm. So thank you.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: colbel says... 2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13 I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.” colbel says... 1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13 Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel” colbel wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!![/p][/quote]Muppet[/p][/quote]Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over![/p][/quote]Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!![/p][/quote]You do that and you need to wrap up, just took the dog for a walk and its pretty cold out there[/p][/quote]And of course they say opposites attract im ugly,broke and useless at sport where as you are,well you know what you are![/p][/quote]Well retry69, you were right it was cold out there, but I took heed in what you said and wrapped up warm. So thank you. colbel
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4:26pm Mon 1 Apr 13

retry69 says...

colbel wrote:
retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
retry69 wrote:
colbel wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
colbel says...
2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13

I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.”

colbel says...
1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel”

colbel wrote:
cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument.

Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







!!!!!!
Muppet
Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over!
Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!!
You do that and you need to wrap up, just took the dog for a walk and its pretty cold out there
And of course they say opposites attract im ugly,broke and useless at sport where as you are,well you know what you are!
Well retry69, you were right it was cold out there, but I took heed in what you said and wrapped up warm. So thank you.
welcome back,
[quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colbel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: colbel says... 2:02pm Tue 26 Mar 13 I was told by the police with my accident that its not in the public interests to prosecute and even then I thought what a load of old bull and prob more to do with costs. So good luck Mike and hope you get somewhere and also get that women off the road b4 she does further harm.” colbel says... 1:37pm Tue 26 Mar 13 Listen uvox44 I drive for a living and I know what I see and yes I see a lot of bad driving and also from so called professional drivers and also a lot of bad cyclists and it is becoming a them and us situation on the road and I would say that's not good esp when attitudes change when some people get behind a wheel” colbel wrote: cpf242 at least I have a brain more than some cyclists who wanna ride on a maine rd with no lights on there bikes. And ur like the rest of them cycling muppets you get personal cuz u realise you have no argument. Blimey bit of a switch here dont you think and you wonder why other readers think they are better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!![/p][/quote]Muppet[/p][/quote]Sorry Colbel you have been warned, as much as i respect your opinion you cannot continue with personal abuse so it is a second yellow for you, so off you go and i am confiscating your golf clubs, hand them over![/p][/quote]Funny that retry69, I'm just going off for a game of golf, still, plenty of time for that now with a suspension looming. Well at least you have a sense of humour retry69. Oh yeah will give it another retry........!!!![/p][/quote]You do that and you need to wrap up, just took the dog for a walk and its pretty cold out there[/p][/quote]And of course they say opposites attract im ugly,broke and useless at sport where as you are,well you know what you are![/p][/quote]Well retry69, you were right it was cold out there, but I took heed in what you said and wrapped up warm. So thank you.[/p][/quote]welcome back, retry69
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