UPDATED: Pensioner fights for life after collision with Yellow Bus (From Bournemouth Echo)

Hope she is ok.

Let's hope they check this bus for defects, it is very old & dependent upon who is driving, can be a nightmare to travel on.

Very surprised this does not happen more often in Bournemouth Square, buses are frequently pulling into traffic without a thought for other road users or those who may be crossing the road.

Ganmor wrote:
Let's hope they check this bus for defects, it is very old & dependent upon who is driving, can be a nightmare to travel on.

Very surprised this does not happen more often in Bournemouth Square, buses are frequently pulling into traffic without a thought for other road users or those who may be crossing the road.

Let's wait for the outcome of the investigation before making such comments.
Buses are more rigourously checked than any other vehicle on the road. Old does not mean unsafe.
Meanwhile, thoughts are with the lady and her family and the bus driver who must be going through hell.

Echo…… You make it sound as though the accident occurred at 16:30 and the Police didn’t arrive until nearly an hour later at 17:24, I would hope to think that this was not the case!!!!!! Police arriving at a possible code 200 RTC and hour later, shocking, let’s hope you have got that slightly wrong.

sunny1966 wrote:
Echo…… You make it sound as though the accident occurred at 16:30 and the Police didn’t arrive until nearly an hour later at 17:24, I would hope to think that this was not the case!!!!!! Police arriving at a possible code 200 RTC and hour later, shocking, let’s hope you have got that slightly wrong.

Another error :-) Keep them coming guys!

No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

It's a terrible junction due to the accumulation of buses on the rank on the actual bend. Having had a bus drive into me on the same junction as they decided to cut across all 3 lanes I'm amazed that more incidents aren't happening already(well to be honest the ones that have already happened are too many). I appreciate that the hospital needs the bus stops but it's maybe time they consider a safer option to stop both lanes of traffic having to second guess what a bus may or may not be doing around that corner. Move the stops into the hospital grounds or provide a more enclosed bus "station" away from the actual junction

woby_tide wrote:
It's a terrible junction due to the accumulation of buses on the rank on the actual bend. Having had a bus drive into me on the same junction as they decided to cut across all 3 lanes I'm amazed that more incidents aren't happening already(well to be honest the ones that have already happened are too many). I appreciate that the hospital needs the bus stops but it's maybe time they consider a safer option to stop both lanes of traffic having to second guess what a bus may or may not be doing around that corner. Move the stops into the hospital grounds or provide a more enclosed bus "station" away from the actual junction

Hope she is ok, but couldn't agree more with this comment.

At the end of the day some of these loony toons who design our roads and traffic intersections must have as much brains as journalists.

I can point out many sections of roads throughout Bournemouth where road vehicles and pedestrians don't mix well due to road layout or traffic lights or just plain being a two way street that should only be a one way or even a give way sign that should be an actuall stop sign.

"At the end of the day some of these loony toons who design our roads and traffic intersections must have as much brains as journalists."
I suspect half of the town and road planners in the county haven't got a driving licence, or at best never drive through the roads and towns they themselves have set up.
Just look at Poole's officially flawed one way system - clearly not designed by anyone who knows anything about Poole, roads in general, or cars.
Don't even get me started on Winchester or Wimborne.
Yet these jerks are still paid regardless - probably quite well - by us the ever-frustrated taxpayer.

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately?

The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

Why did they need to close the road for hours? Take some photos, and have done with it. All the buses have multiple cameras, GPS and brake logging on them, so they don't need to measure everything because they'll be able to watch the unfortunate incident when they play the video back and know exactly who did what.

The road was closed because the police have to treat it like any other crime scene. The victim's age is a huge factor in the likelihood of what will happen. Or perhaps, if it was your relative, you'd just like the police to come along and take a few photos and then open the road because road users were inconvenienced?
This junction must be a nightmare for pedestrians, different lights show varying instructions at various times.
The victim probably had a green light on one part of the crossing and a red light on another. It confuses the best of us, how an elderly person copes with the phasing, goodness knows.

djd wrote:

Ganmor wrote:
Let's hope they check this bus for defects, it is very old & dependent upon who is driving, can be a nightmare to travel on.

Very surprised this does not happen more often in Bournemouth Square, buses are frequently pulling into traffic without a thought for other road users or those who may be crossing the road.

Let's wait for the outcome of the investigation before making such comments.
Buses are more rigourously checked than any other vehicle on the road. Old does not mean unsafe.
Meanwhile, thoughts are with the lady and her family and the bus driver who must be going through hell.

What an odd and factually ignorant comment "Let's hope they check this bus for defects, it is very old & dependent upon who is driving, can be a nightmare to travel on."

Unlike our cars, buses are commercial vehicles designed and built to operate for at least twenty years or often longer - and usually do. As 'djd' also points out they are subject to intensive statutory maintenance and annual DoT certification tests throughout their years on the road. And why exactly is this specific bus a 'nightmare' to travel on, it will not be restricted to this 33 route and could be deployed on numerous other services, the chances of riding on this same (actual) bus every day are very remote!

Thoughts must be with the lady for a speedy recovery and of course the bus driver - for whom 'nightmares' have certainly come true.

Whoever designed that area needs to actually use and see exactly what kind of c**k up it really is. All kinds of traffic get stuck there, there's too much coming and going for such a small space. Surely the bus stops could go further up and away from the whole junction? As it is now its a scrum to get to the bus you want. Hope the lady is ok.

djd wrote:

Ganmor wrote:
Let's hope they check this bus for defects, it is very old & dependent upon who is driving, can be a nightmare to travel on.

Very surprised this does not happen more often in Bournemouth Square, buses are frequently pulling into traffic without a thought for other road users or those who may be crossing the road.

Let's wait for the outcome of the investigation before making such comments.
Buses are more rigourously checked than any other vehicle on the road. Old does not mean unsafe.
Meanwhile, thoughts are with the lady and her family and the bus driver who must be going through hell.

nothing better to do with your time IDIOT !!!

FNS-man wrote:

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately?

The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

AND CAR DRIVERS EVEN WORSE ,spend a day on my bus and see what danger they put other people at .

FNS-man wrote:

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately?

The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

Many times i have asked what a "professional driver" is and never had an answer until now,dont agree with some of your examples but never the less it is interesting.Hope the lady recovers well and is ok

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

I beg to differ. I was recently followed off the Wessex Way (northbound) down to the Cooper Dean roundabout. For 90% of the slip road a local bus driver was approximately no more than 2ft from my rear bumper. When I informed him that in my opinion he was an idiot and driving like one, I was rewarded with a 2 fingered salute of disregard.

There are too many buses for a town this size. I watched 5 buses all trying to get into the same bus stop last week. We need to keep yellow buses in Bournemouth and W & D to Poole, instead of their drivers fighting over the few passengers there are.

As Maggie Thatcher is alleged to have said "A man who, beyond the age of 26, finds himself on a bus can count himself as a failure"

EGHH wrote:
There are too many buses for a town this size. I watched 5 buses all trying to get into the same bus stop last week. We need to keep yellow buses in Bournemouth and W & D to Poole, instead of their drivers fighting over the few passengers there are. As Maggie Thatcher is alleged to have said "A man who, beyond the age of 26, finds himself on a bus can count himself as a failure"

Yes, too many buses, that's the problem. That's what is causing all the congestion. Definitely. Not all the cars. It's the buses.

As HG Wells (someone not hated by a huge percentage of the population) said:

"Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I have hope for the human race."

I have a similar sentiment when someone takes the bus rather than their car.

Ganmor wrote:
Let's hope they check this bus for defects, it is very old & dependent upon who is driving, can be a nightmare to travel on.

Very surprised this does not happen more often in Bournemouth Square, buses are frequently pulling into traffic without a thought for other road users or those who may be crossing the road.

All public service vehicles (PSV)and goods vehicles be it brand new or 20 years old are stringently inspected EVERY six weeks to VOSA standards failure to comply will result in the operator losing there licence

We have a choice of yellow or red buses on ashley cross. A lot of older people won't get on the yellow buses because the drivers don't wait for you to sit down before pulling off. They prefer to wait for a red bus to use their passes.

FNS-man wrote:

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately?

The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

I definitely agree with the comments about taxi drivers. They are far too hand in glove with the police in my opinion as the police go to them as informants and they are then rewarded as a group with being allowed to get away with atrocious driving that should result in losing their licenses. This relationship also undermines general confidence of the public in the police knowing that they work with such a group who can blatantly get away with such antisocial behaviour.

ashleycross wrote:
We have a choice of yellow or red buses on ashley cross. A lot of older people won't get on the yellow buses because the drivers don't wait for you to sit down before pulling off. They prefer to wait for a red bus to use their passes.

Not that old chestnut again!

If bus drivers had to wait at every single bus stop along the route for people to sit down before moving off the area's roads would grind to a complete halt!

When you choose to use a bus moving safely upon the travelling vehicle usually goes with the territory, it always has done.

Regretably those who are not confident in their agility to do this should perhaps not be putting themselves (and others) at risk by even getting on buses.

"A man who, beyond the age of 26, finds himself on a bus can count himself as a failure"”

What a callous comment that that troll poster made (not maggie ).

Many people ( not necessarily elderly ) are disabled and/or sight impaired and unable to drive a car. Many families can only afford one car ( if that ! ).

Why criticise bus users ? How smug !

I do wish that everyone had an hour driving a HGV and/or a PSV while learning to drive.
Some of the ignorance on here is frighting.

retry69 wrote:

FNS-man wrote:

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately?

The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

Many times i have asked what a "professional driver" is and never had an answer until now,dont agree with some of your examples but never the less it is interesting.Hope the lady recovers well and is ok

Google the word professional or you could try the wizard of oz.

The clue is in the first three syllables.

ashleycross wrote:

FNS-man wrote:

Cherry19 wrote: No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately? The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

I definitely agree with the comments about taxi drivers. They are far too hand in glove with the police in my opinion as the police go to them as informants and they are then rewarded as a group with being allowed to get away with atrocious driving that should result in losing their licenses. This relationship also undermines general confidence of the public in the police knowing that they work with such a group who can blatantly get away with such antisocial behaviour.

Tit

ragj195 wrote:

retry69 wrote:

FNS-man wrote:

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately?

The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

Many times i have asked what a "professional driver" is and never had an answer until now,dont agree with some of your examples but never the less it is interesting.Hope the lady recovers well and is ok

Google the word professional or you could try the wizard of oz.

The clue is in the first three syllables.

Yeah done that the explainations dont cover the examples quoted perhaps you can enlighten me?

I agree with Cherry 19 with the addendum ..."knowingly" risk.... Until someone has tried to drive something 40 foot long, 3 foot wide and the wheels 6 feet behind you it is hard to anticipate how much room they take. Then take into account some have mirrors on that are smaller than most vans and have an automatic gearbox trying to drive about 18 tons from a standing start!
I used to drive the 120 ton target tank in Sennelager Ranges. I could NOT use the same set of skills I would use in my 1.2 ton family car. (No tillers for a start). Which is probably why the Highway Code tells us to pay careful attention to large vehicles. Too many of us only see a large, slow lumbering vehicle. A bus driver also gets taught NOT to break quickly. His priority in law is his passengers. If he throws them from their seats he can be personally sued by each one.
Oh. Those driving for "Hire or Reward" are classed as professionals. It does not take into account their driving ability.

retry69 wrote:

ragj195 wrote:

retry69 wrote:

FNS-man wrote:

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately?

The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

Many times i have asked what a "professional driver" is and never had an answer until now,dont agree with some of your examples but never the less it is interesting.Hope the lady recovers well and is ok

Google the word professional or you could try the wizard of oz.

The clue is in the first three syllables.

Yeah done that the explainations dont cover the examples quoted perhaps you can enlighten me?

"A professional is a person who is engaged in a certain activity, or occupation, for gain or compensation as means of livelihood; such as a permanent career, not as an amateur or pastime"

So a bus driver is a professional driver because their occupation is driving a bus. It's pretty straightforward.

ragj195 wrote:

retry69 wrote:

ragj195 wrote:

retry69 wrote:

FNS-man wrote:

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately?

The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

Many times i have asked what a "professional driver" is and never had an answer until now,dont agree with some of your examples but never the less it is interesting.Hope the lady recovers well and is ok

Google the word professional or you could try the wizard of oz.

The clue is in the first three syllables.

Yeah done that the explainations dont cover the examples quoted perhaps you can enlighten me?

"A professional is a person who is engaged in a certain activity, or occupation, for gain or compensation as means of livelihood; such as a permanent career, not as an amateur or pastime"

So a bus driver is a professional driver because their occupation is driving a bus. It's pretty straightforward.

Nah the wizard of oz had a better expalination and it didnt include bus drivers or taxi drivers SORRY

retry69 wrote:

ragj195 wrote:

retry69 wrote:

ragj195 wrote:

retry69 wrote:

FNS-man wrote:

Cherry19 wrote:
No professional driver would risk their career and income by deliberating driving recklessly ... I work in a shop right next to a traffic light crossing and I see pedestrians not waiting for lights to change, people not using the 'green cross code' and parents not teaching this to their kids either, more and more we see pedestrians sauntering across the roads without a care in the world ... with no regard to the traffic!

Rubbish. I have seen many cases of driving that is reckless by buses, taxis, lorries and delivery vans. What about that well-publicised case where the bus driver actually side-swiped a cyclist deliberately?

The only professional drivers I vaguely trust on the road are firemen and ambulance drivers.

Many times i have asked what a "professional driver" is and never had an answer until now,dont agree with some of your examples but never the less it is interesting.Hope the lady recovers well and is ok

Google the word professional or you could try the wizard of oz.

The clue is in the first three syllables.

Yeah done that the explainations dont cover the examples quoted perhaps you can enlighten me?

"A professional is a person who is engaged in a certain activity, or occupation, for gain or compensation as means of livelihood; such as a permanent career, not as an amateur or pastime"

So a bus driver is a professional driver because their occupation is driving a bus. It's pretty straightforward.

Nah the wizard of oz had a better expalination and it didnt include bus drivers or taxi drivers SORRY

Yes but although he was a professional wizard he wasn't a real one or very good one! Probably a bit like how you see many professional drivers.

EGHH wrote:
There are too many buses for a town this size. I watched 5 buses all trying to get into the same bus stop last week. We need to keep yellow buses in Bournemouth and W & D to Poole, instead of their drivers fighting over the few passengers there are.

As Maggie Thatcher is alleged to have said "A man who, beyond the age of 26, finds himself on a bus can count himself as a failure"

I hardly think the opinion of someone who closed down this country's manufacturing industry and created the worst air pollution from her ruthless and outdated promotion of cars that was and still is totally out of line with the rest of Europe is someone whose opinion should be respected, More likely a reason to respect bus users as modern forward thinking considerate members of society.