BREAKING NEWS: V Club licence revoked (From Bournemouth Echo)

They'll need to think carefully about this, the towns only growth industries are jobsworths and the pub economy.

Close it for good................

It does seem extraordinary (or not) that

"... he was promised by Richard Carr last December that a health and safety audit was to be carried out."

"... Richard Carr was his contact at V at that time."

".. four "very short" emails from Richard Carr"

"further clarification from Richard Carr"

when we have always been told that Mr Carr's involvement with this club was never no more than as a consultant.

The suggestion being that it was very 'hands off' and was merely of an advisory nature.

From the above it certainly seems to confirm the contrary - something most have known for a long while.. And also know that whatever 'smoke and mirrors' might occur over the ownership at this enquiry Richard Carr will continue to run this club, if it re-opens.

The club should not be shut
(i just commented this on a now month-old story but feel this article more relevant)

The bouncers or the club shouldn't be taking a hit for the attack - this could have happened anywhere from the dirtiest boscombe cafe to my nans back garden.

But if it is true that the door staff let the criminal go they can not be forgiven, it is their job after all.

While i am aware that that there is a certain danger in detaining a criminal of such calibre, the role of a bouncer is to oversee the safety of an event, rather than checking themselves out (or their bouncer buddies) in the mirror, with the occasional question of 'how much do you lift'.

From my experience of going out in Bournemouth i have never once found myself in trouble at a club but have seen a lot happen. Often the bouncers will provoke people for a reaction purely because of their shiny jacket and steroid problem (we can all tell, why else would you be so angry all the time).

Reading of the female bouncer being the most helpful, i am not suprised at all because they must not get so caught up in the homoerotic nature of a male bouncers job and it is good to know that atleast the women will be looking out for our safetly!

To conclude if you are a bouncer and reading this maybe pop to mums for a cuppa, give her a cuddle and watch countdown - the worst you could do is grow a few braincells-you do need them...

I'm not sure how the above has any relevance.

The hearing is about how the club is ran overall, with a far wider remit than someone's gripe about the doormen.

We need to know that venues like this are being ran by fit and proper people, not someone who's activities after yet another bankruptcy leaving hundreds of thousands of pounds owed the Insolvency Service called his “unfit conduct".

What is wrong with you all this is just a witchhunt to close another venue we will be left with plastic PLC bars and a club that stinks (Elements) perhaps we should also take the buses off the road read this;
http://www.bbc.co.uk
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The reason only the girl bouncer attended the wounded bloke was she was trained in trauma injuries oh and by the way V is the only venue in town that has one of these.
With regard to the management it always appeared to be well run to me and I have been going to clubs run by r carr for years if they are so incompetant how did they run events all over the world with "SLINKY" including the BIC.
Something is going on here and the Police are out to get him love him or hate the town will be worse off without him.
I had the best days of my life at the Opera House and they were on his case then always with drug dogs in the que.
We all know that drug dogs are useless you just take them before you go in the club!
Fingers crossed !

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This makes for interesting reading.

When you read through the report the council have been chasing up V since November and due to their softly softly approach nothing was done. It was only this stabbing incident that caused the closure.
I think that the council need to have a look at their role in this incident.

Why are enforcement officers accepting non compliance from an establishment in which up to 700 members of the public are at risk?

Why did the Council not have proper contact details for the owners and operators of the site?

Do not be ridiculous of course they had there details!

Read the report and the emails, they were asking Richard Carr by email as the consultant and he was giving one line replies, they wrote to the venue address instead of the operators registered address. The so called NEW operator was already in the background and is referred to in the emails and letters of the council.
If this venue is to be allowed to open the council should ensure that all the relevant paperwork is in place with proper controls. They have let the operators get away with shambolic running by the look of this!

You cannot tell me that they did not have an e mail address for the management that is rubbish the new license was only granted in October, this is just stiching up the club wake up and smeel the coffee. This is just another blebgate or hillsborough just smaller. Oh by the way the club came runner up in best bar none in september which checks all there proceedures!!!! FACT

Lets face it the Council don't want the club to re-open.
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Whilst they don't mind making money out of the night-time economy the council would rather it didn't exist. If the puritan council weren't so such a money grabbing lot they would have introduced prohibition by now.

clubber999 wrote:
You cannot tell me that they did not have an e mail address for the management that is rubbish the new license was only granted in October, this is just stiching up the club wake up and smeel the coffee. This is just another blebgate or hillsborough just smaller. Oh by the way the club came runner up in best bar none in september which checks all there proceedures!!!! FACT

Read the report.
Look at Richard Carr's replies, Look at the replies from the Manager of the Club who was on the application to the council for the license who then try to absolve himself of responsibiity by saying he is only an assistant manager. He then fails to supply the relevant documentation to the council.
The council should have been all over this way in advance

Interesting report from the Echo while it lasted! Its very apparent that the management of this club have a complete disregard towards the relevant authorities, who are interested in making sure people are safe. It makes me wonder whether the management of Richard Carr and Gary Bennetton have any compassion towards Mr Selby or any duty of care towards Mr Selby or whether they just view him as an inconvenience.

"and I have been going to clubs run by r carr for years "

You don't appear to be too bright. richard Carr s forbidden to run anything for ten years. He has always claimed he was not running this place.

Is he lying, again ?

The council need to take a firm approach and close this wretched place down - until such time as decent, honest and trustworthy owners and operaters can be found.

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Bob49 wrote:
I'm not sure how the above has any relevance.

The hearing is about how the club is ran overall, with a far wider remit than someone's gripe about the doormen.

We need to know that venues like this are being ran by fit and proper people, not someone who's activities after yet another bankruptcy leaving hundreds of thousands of pounds owed the Insolvency Service called his “unfit conduct".

I AGREE wholeheartedly with you Bob49 and just maybe the authorities might like to read all the information about the activities of Mr. Carr in reguard of information supplied or not supplied by him.

frshcw wrote:
The club should not be shut
(i just commented this on a now month-old story but feel this article more relevant)

The bouncers or the club shouldn't be taking a hit for the attack - this could have happened anywhere from the dirtiest boscombe cafe to my nans back garden.

But if it is true that the door staff let the criminal go they can not be forgiven, it is their job after all.

While i am aware that that there is a certain danger in detaining a criminal of such calibre, the role of a bouncer is to oversee the safety of an event, rather than checking themselves out (or their bouncer buddies) in the mirror, with the occasional question of 'how much do you lift'.

From my experience of going out in Bournemouth i have never once found myself in trouble at a club but have seen a lot happen. Often the bouncers will provoke people for a reaction purely because of their shiny jacket and steroid problem (we can all tell, why else would you be so angry all the time).

Reading of the female bouncer being the most helpful, i am not suprised at all because they must not get so caught up in the homoerotic nature of a male bouncers job and it is good to know that atleast the women will be looking out for our safetly!

To conclude if you are a bouncer and reading this maybe pop to mums for a cuppa, give her a cuddle and watch countdown - the worst you could do is grow a few braincells-you do need them...

Before questioniong why the doorstaff let the guy go you need to understand how difficult the job entailed is and just to point this out this is something that happened a couple of weeks ago at the club i happen to be a doorman at.

A male was escorted from the premises for grabbing a girl he'd never met before by the throat on the dancefloor (assault in the eyes of the law), due to police being parked up in the area for no other reason than there was space to park the male was walked to the police car by another doorman and before the doorman could explain what had happend the police officers in the car told him " leave him alone and go back to the door or you'll be charged with assault" again the doorman tried to explain and even pointed to the girl who had come to the door crying and their response was the same, in the end the doorman had no choice but to release the guy and he was left to go on his way

Unless punters actually want to make a formal complaint to the police that arrive on scene there is nothing the doorstaff can do but let these people go even if someone has had their nose spread across their face, unless the victim can 100% say or choose to say to the police that the person the doorteam is holding actually caused the injury. You're not allowed to detain people without 100% certainty of the incident that has happend because it can be twisted around and the doorstaff involved in keeping the guy where they are can be prosecuted for unlawful arrest and even sued for defamation of character. Only when cctv has been viewed by the police will any follow up be considered because of the alcohol factor.

I'm not disputing the fact that there are some doorstaff that do the job to have a scrap, pick up women or just to make up numbers and so on but to tar all of us with that brush is a bit out of order, and not all doorstaff take gear have you ever considered the reason some are angry is because they have spent the last few hours dealing with people that are quick to judge them just because of the job they are doing but will be the first to ask for the doorstaffs help when there is a problem, and the abuse that they get from drunk people or people that have a chip on their shoulder for some reason that have been denied or removed from the premises so that everyone else can carry on enjoying themselves without the possiblity that that person could ruin it for them.

In regards to your closing comment about popping round our mums, most of us do and we enjoy a nice cuppa but wouldnt go as far as watching countdown, just because we are doing the job doesnt mean we are lacking braincells, i know alot of doorstaff and most are easily the most qualified and educated people i know having done and passed university courses. I myself have 12 GCSEs ranging from D and above an NVQ and 3 A Levels (not bad for someone that needs a braincell is it?)

Bob49 you are incorrect he runs a consultancy firm and is able to do all of the things you say he can not I worked for him once at the Opera House and to be frank think this is a sad day for us all where are we going to go there is not one decent club left in Bournemouth!

I have had enough of this clap trap for one I do not and have never owned V I have been a consultant from the start creating yet another succesful venue for Bournemouth Yesterday was a sham a discrace that in England the Police have manipulated the council to revoke the License the new owners would have done a good job and where they go from here will be very expensive and the Police know this.
You may love me or hate me but I am sure that most of you have never met me but in this lovely green eyed town what should I expect. The main thing is this 50+ people have lost there jobs and yes you are correct these actions have created a big problem for the previous club owners as there are creditors to be paid. But the Councillors and the Police do not care about this. The clubs closure is a travesty for Bournemouth and for the 3000 people a week who used to go to V but guess what the authorities will still all get there pay cheques at the end of the month and they do not give a dam.And for the record I do not have a stash of money and I am out of work but guess what I will be back because I will get back up dust myself down and find away forward but guess what Bournemouth and me are done.And lastly I hear they are going to rename it Bournemouth-on-Sea a far cry from the clubbing Capital of the south.I will just jog your memory's this is what I created for the area; Zig Zag, Mariners Wharf,The Venue,Cage and Zoo,Opera House,Slinky,Slam,Ur

ban,Bliss,Toko,Oyste

r Quay,Jimmy's Bar,Bent,Crank,Mint,

Wiggle and then V so all of the people who make derogatory comments about me perhaps you should consider how many people have worked for me and how much wealth that has created especially for Bob49 the Taxi driver and all of your mates! And after 25 years in the Industry including being the Chairman of a PLC Listed Company, do you not find it odd that all of a sudden I am not a fit and proper person to be involved in a Licensed premises.”

carr58 wrote:
I have had enough of this clap trap for one I do not and have never owned V I have been a consultant from the start creating yet another succesful venue for Bournemouth Yesterday was a sham a discrace that in England the Police have manipulated the council to revoke the License the new owners would have done a good job and where they go from here will be very expensive and the Police know this.
You may love me or hate me but I am sure that most of you have never met me but in this lovely green eyed town what should I expect. The main thing is this 50+ people have lost there jobs and yes you are correct these actions have created a big problem for the previous club owners as there are creditors to be paid. But the Councillors and the Police do not care about this. The clubs closure is a travesty for Bournemouth and for the 3000 people a week who used to go to V but guess what the authorities will still all get there pay cheques at the end of the month and they do not give a dam.And for the record I do not have a stash of money and I am out of work but guess what I will be back because I will get back up dust myself down and find away forward but guess what Bournemouth and me are done.And lastly I hear they are going to rename it Bournemouth-on-Sea a far cry from the clubbing Capital of the south.I will just jog your memory's this is what I created for the area; Zig Zag, Mariners Wharf,The Venue,Cage and Zoo,Opera House,Slinky,Slam,Ur


ban,Bliss,Toko,Oyste


r Quay,Jimmy's Bar,Bent,Crank,Mint,


Wiggle and then V so all of the people who make derogatory comments about me perhaps you should consider how many people have worked for me and how much wealth that has created especially for Bob49 the Taxi driver and all of your mates! And after 25 years in the Industry including being the Chairman of a PLC Listed Company, do you not find it odd that all of a sudden I am not a fit and proper person to be involved in a Licensed premises.”

boo hooo Jog on!!!