Dorset Tories: Eastleigh result will have no effect on 2015 election

Dorset Tories: Eastleigh result will have no effect on 2015 election Dorset Tories: Eastleigh result will have no effect on 2015 election

BOURNEMOUTH East Tory MP Tobias Ellwood today described the Eastleigh by-election result as “disappointing” but insisted it was “a massive protest vote.”

The Conservatives were beaten into third place by UKIP as the Lib Dems held on to the seat. Read all about it here.

He said: “Obviously it is disappointing, but there is a history of disappointing results in by-elections. We need to look no further than Christchurch.

“But we need to reflect on why many Conservatives stayed at home or gave their support to other parties. There is a lot of pain being felt and the government is being punished; we need to listen on issues such as immigration although we are now finally coming out with a more robust message on Europe.

“By-elections need to be taken as standalone snapshots, rather than a prediction of what is to come in the future at general elections.

“UKip claim there are four million Bulgarians coming to Britain when there are only seven million here in the first place. If they want to be taken seriously their policies will come under greater scrutiny. You can say very popular things when you are in opposition and you know your manifesto is not going to be tested.”

He added: “While we need to reflect I think we need to remain committed to making difficult decisions to get the economy back into order.”

Poole MP Robert Syms said the Eastleigh by-election result was: “People just showing they are a bit frustrated. We have a big job to do, it's taking a long time and will take a long time. People get a bit fed up with the government. They still understand why we are doing what we are doing.”

The assistant government whip said the combined vote of the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives was over 50 per cent, proving people were still voting for the coalition government.

With Conservatives pushed into third place by UKIP he said: “It was a good result for them. But they don't have a single seat in the House of Commons. They have taken the role that Liberal Democrats had before they were in government, of the protest party.”

He said by-elections were a “free hit” and had little bearing on what would happen in a general election.

“We don't want to be complacent in government. It's certainly a shot across the bows. We have got to do a better job of explaining what we are trying to do.”

Annette Brooke, MP for Mid Dorset and North Poole, said: “I’m absolutely delighted. What it shows for us is we’re working really well on the ground and we have been successful, even in very difficult circumstances. The public like our approach within constituencies. We are very hands on with local issues.”

She said the Lib Dems and their Tory coalition partners, who were knocked into third place, had to “fight it out on their own merits,”

“There will be some change in the dynamic of the coalition I’m sure,” she added.

“For all the things I don’t like, as people know, I believe in the coalition, I believe in its necessity for economic stability.”

She said there would have been “more damage” to the coalition had the Liberal Democrats, who were defending the seat, lost it, but added: “There was always going to be a winner and a loser here within the coalition.”

Bournemouth West Tory MP Conor Burns said: “I’m not surprised by the result or that UKip has done so well because I made 14 visits to Eastleigh during the by-election campaign.

“I picked up a real desire to send out a message that people are frustrated and feeling the pain. They want the government to listen; I think it was a protest vote but we would do well to listen. Anyone who dismissed this result is very foolish.

“This is a clarion call to all of us to get out more, listen more and become more involved in our local communities. People’s living standards are being squeezed and we must ensure that people’s bills do not rise, in these difficult times. I will be looking to the Chancellor to make a cost of living budget.”

 

The Eastleigh result is in no small part a consequence of withered local organisation caused by an absence of Council leadership or vision

— Conor Burns MP (@Conor_BurnsMP) March 1, 2013
 

But South Dorset Conservative MP Richard Drax said he wanted Cameron to learn a lesson from the by-election.

He said: “I'm not at all surprised by the result. I've always felt that when party puts strategy before principle, voters tend to see straight through it.

“I would like to see our party act in a more Conservative way. What I mean by that is by tackling the big issues rather than tinkering at the edges.”

Mr Drax believes immigration is not coming down far enough and the European Union referendum, pledged by David Cameron if Conservatives are in Government following the next general election, is not enough.

He added: “I have, along with other colleagues, put forward a motion that we ought to have some legislation in this Parliament that would tie a future Government into having such a vote.

“We need to act and stop talking, but that is not to say the Government is not acting to tackle many problems. It is. But I just worry voters want Governments to do what they voted them in to do. They want politicians to be principled; they are fed up with spin and rhetoric.”

However, the Conservative MP also suggested mid-term blues could also explain the unprecedented UKIP result.

“Governments in power traditionally get a bit of a hammering mid-term”, he said. “But this doesn't mean we should be complacent.”

 

Comments(33)

afcb-mark says...
11:48am Fri 1 Mar 13

These politicians are living on a different planet from the rest of us. 'Showing a bit of frustration' more likely the people have had enough. This so called protest vote is going to continue and rock the boat for all the so called major parties. UKIP are definitely on the up and about time to.

HRH of Boscombe says...
11:55am Fri 1 Mar 13

Keep telling yourself that Ellwood. These people were people who don't normally vote but are fed up with the lies and incompetence of the Tories.
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A solomn pledge we would have a referendum before the last general election. Now sCameron's trying the same old trick/lie for the next one.
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He's cried wolf and now no-one believes a word your whole party say. Can't wait to see you kicked out with your tail between your legs.

The Liberal says...
11:57am Fri 1 Mar 13

Tobias Elwood: “UKip claim there are four million Bulgarians coming to Britain when there are only seven million here in the first place.”

I take it this is a misquote and he said/meant 'there' rather then 'here'?!

Azphreal says...
12:01pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Hmm the Government attack the old and the disabled and let big companies get away with not paying tax,they said they were going to do something about immigration and didnt (funny that after this result they are saying its down) and how much of their manifesto have they actually even TRIED to accomplish? People are getting sick of the two faced actions of this Government and the 'all in together big society' does not seem to expect the rich to be 'in it together'.

High Treason says...
12:34pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Amazing how the new immigration figures were published just before the election. Those figures are only a guesstimate and when the new influx arrive next year more will vote UKIP.

BmthNewshound says...
12:45pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Arrogance has cost many an MP their seat. The Tories have let their supporters down by allowing the LibDems to dictate policies. Whilst Labour left the country facing an economic catastrophe the Tories and LibDems have spent too much time compromising to appease their own parties instead of facing the problems head on and dealing with them. Rather than having a coalition which promised to govern in the national interest we have a government which dithers and performs so many u-turns that its difficult to see what they have done to get us out of the mess we’re in.
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UKIP seems to be appealing to Bournemouth Tories core supporters, the silver voters. They play to the xenophobic wrinklies who believe everything they read in the Daily Mail. The fact that UKIP don’t have any policies on the economy, environment, health and social care, education etc seems to pass people by.
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It used to be the case that people said Vote LibDem get Labour, now the Tories have to rebuild trust and convince people that if they Vote UKIP at the next election they’ll be handing Labour the keys to Number 10. I wish them luck.

muscliffman says...
12:46pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Well they are right "Dorset Tories: Eastleigh result will have no effect on 2015 election" because with hopeless Cameron and his out of touch toffs at the helm they were heading for disaster anyway!

I think we are all tired of the three old parties and their fading repute. None of the three current, weak but notably wealthy, leaders could be called strong, inspirational or controversial either - and that is actually what we want.

UKIP seem to have such a person, love him or hate him, Nigel Farage with his views does have something about him and he gets our attention.

In my opinion this latest result is not a normal protest vote and has the feel of something bigger. Perhaps time for the political 'left' to find an equivilant vehicle to UKIP and the constructive political fun can begin.

Hessenford says...
1:41pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Tory MP Tobias Ellwood said "You can say very popular things when you are in opposition and you know your manifesto is not going to be tested.”
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You mean like your party did in opposition and then reneged when you came into power.
Same old rhetoric, same old Tories, arrogant through and through.

benjamin says...
1:43pm Fri 1 Mar 13

I guess that there are not as many gay couples in Eastleigh as David Cameron thought.

HRH of Boscombe says...
2:30pm Fri 1 Mar 13

BmthNewshound wrote:
Arrogance has cost many an MP their seat. The Tories have let their supporters down by allowing the LibDems to dictate policies. Whilst Labour left the country facing an economic catastrophe the Tories and LibDems have spent too much time compromising to appease their own parties instead of facing the problems head on and dealing with them. Rather than having a coalition which promised to govern in the national interest we have a government which dithers and performs so many u-turns that its difficult to see what they have done to get us out of the mess we’re in. . UKIP seems to be appealing to Bournemouth Tories core supporters, the silver voters. They play to the xenophobic wrinklies who believe everything they read in the Daily Mail. The fact that UKIP don’t have any policies on the economy, environment, health and social care, education etc seems to pass people by. . It used to be the case that people said Vote LibDem get Labour, now the Tories have to rebuild trust and convince people that if they Vote UKIP at the next election they’ll be handing Labour the keys to Number 10. I wish them luck.
What's the point of other party's policies when then can be superseded/over-rule
d by the EU.
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We don't even have a democracy while we remain in the EU as far as I'm concerned.
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You may change your tune when you come home to find 20 Romanians squatting in your house.

joncon says...
3:40pm Fri 1 Mar 13

It seems that by elections results are great and relevant if you win them - as per the lib dem reaction to this - and not important if you don't. As per their reaction to all other by elections.

Protest votes dont last though. Where are the SDP now?

muscliffman says...
3:51pm Fri 1 Mar 13

joncon wrote:
It seems that by elections results are great and relevant if you win them - as per the lib dem reaction to this - and not important if you don't. As per their reaction to all other by elections.

Protest votes dont last though. Where are the SDP now?
"Where are the SDP now?"

They merged with the old Liberal Party to form the Liberal Democrats. So they are currently in the Government..........
.....

O'Reilly says...
3:54pm Fri 1 Mar 13

I'm only surprised that the people of Eastleigh voted the Lib-Dems back in after the recent shenanigans in the Party. I think the postal vote won it for them in the end.

EGHH says...
4:22pm Fri 1 Mar 13

I wouldn't trust anything UKIP said about immigration personally. UKIP said on BBC TV last Sunday that they expect 5 million Bulgarians to "Flood into the UK", the entire population of Bulgaria is only 7,476,000 according to the current World Bank figures.

Has UKIP got any policies other than immigration? What are their defence, economic, social, policing etc. policies?

Even the UKIP supporter on Radio Solent this morning seemed vague and admitted they only have a firm policy on immigration. They really are a joke party!

Wasted vote I think!!

sea poole says...
4:23pm Fri 1 Mar 13

'We've got a big job to do...' Have you, Mr Syms (MP for Poole -Missing Person). So when are YOU going to start? After all, you seem to be preoccupied with your expenses forms...

politicaltrainspotter says...
4:30pm Fri 1 Mar 13

What i give to see Ellwood dumped on his backside at the 2015 election.If there's a God in heaven what's he waiting for.

ctrewyou says...
4:53pm Fri 1 Mar 13

High Treason wrote:
Amazing how the new immigration figures were published just before the election. Those figures are only a guesstimate and when the new influx arrive next year more will vote UKIP.
But there wont be any 'influx' of anybody. Any Romanians / Bulgarians wanting to move here for benefit reasons have already done so as hey are EU members. The only changes coming will allow people from those countries to work here, and as we are in the middle of a recession, people from those countries dont want to come here to work as there are more jobs in heir own countries. Any talk of 'influxes' and 'floods' of immigrants only come from the right wing press wanting to scare people into voting Conservative / UKIP. It is not based on facts of any kind.

John T says...
5:02pm Fri 1 Mar 13

sea poole wrote:
'We've got a big job to do...' Have you, Mr Syms (MP for Poole -Missing Person). So when are YOU going to start? After all, you seem to be preoccupied with your expenses forms...
I think you may find that Robert meant that he had 'a big job to do' shifting some more taxpayer funded bedroom furniture between his various homes this weekend!

gileto says...
5:06pm Fri 1 Mar 13

BmthNewshound wrote:
Arrogance has cost many an MP their seat. The Tories have let their supporters down by allowing the LibDems to dictate policies. Whilst Labour left the country facing an economic catastrophe the Tories and LibDems have spent too much time compromising to appease their own parties instead of facing the problems head on and dealing with them. Rather than having a coalition which promised to govern in the national interest we have a government which dithers and performs so many u-turns that its difficult to see what they have done to get us out of the mess we’re in.
.
UKIP seems to be appealing to Bournemouth Tories core supporters, the silver voters. They play to the xenophobic wrinklies who believe everything they read in the Daily Mail. The fact that UKIP don’t have any policies on the economy, environment, health and social care, education etc seems to pass people by.
.
It used to be the case that people said Vote LibDem get Labour, now the Tories have to rebuild trust and convince people that if they Vote UKIP at the next election they’ll be handing Labour the keys to Number 10. I wish them luck.
Why just quote the Daily Mail? You could have also quoted the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and so on, all of which are now following the Daily Mail's example of not namby-pambying about when it comes to EC immigrants and how little benefit the silent majority of indigenous British feel that they give us - pressure on housing, jobs, hospitals, roads, energy resources, schools, translation services (which we all pay for, somehow when they can't be bothered to learn the language). It's inevitably only a short length of time before the majority of dailies jump on the Daily Mail anti-Europe bandwagon. The EC and economic immigration is starting to really HURT the UK taxpayer (that's why EC accounts certainly lack credibility - http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/worldnew
s/europe/eu/9657673/
Audit-seriously-unde
rmines-credibility-o
f-EU-spending.html) - and whilst a lot of us have had this belief for years, unsurprisingly our nation as a whole is now at last starting to awake from it's liberal slumber....

Rabbitman64 says...
5:23pm Fri 1 Mar 13

I don't think the present Tory Incompetence is likely to effect the election result of 2015, however they are not dealing very well with the economy. Things are not improving even though everything is not black. Some unemployed people have gone into self-employment because of a lack of work, without an upturn in the economy they are likely to go bankrupt and be back on the dole, other people have been forced to do unpaid work or lose benefits! I myself have spent three months working out of the last thirty-four months that this government has been in power, despite having over twenty-five years work experience, completion of sixteen jobs and a total of seven Higher Education Qualifications. I used to think that working hard would result in a good living, this has proved to be nothing but immature youth because of this dreadful & useless Tory Government?

ctrewyou says...
6:01pm Fri 1 Mar 13

gileto wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
Arrogance has cost many an MP their seat. The Tories have let their supporters down by allowing the LibDems to dictate policies. Whilst Labour left the country facing an economic catastrophe the Tories and LibDems have spent too much time compromising to appease their own parties instead of facing the problems head on and dealing with them. Rather than having a coalition which promised to govern in the national interest we have a government which dithers and performs so many u-turns that its difficult to see what they have done to get us out of the mess we’re in.
.
UKIP seems to be appealing to Bournemouth Tories core supporters, the silver voters. They play to the xenophobic wrinklies who believe everything they read in the Daily Mail. The fact that UKIP don’t have any policies on the economy, environment, health and social care, education etc seems to pass people by.
.
It used to be the case that people said Vote LibDem get Labour, now the Tories have to rebuild trust and convince people that if they Vote UKIP at the next election they’ll be handing Labour the keys to Number 10. I wish them luck.
Why just quote the Daily Mail? You could have also quoted the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and so on, all of which are now following the Daily Mail's example of not namby-pambying about when it comes to EC immigrants and how little benefit the silent majority of indigenous British feel that they give us - pressure on housing, jobs, hospitals, roads, energy resources, schools, translation services (which we all pay for, somehow when they can't be bothered to learn the language). It's inevitably only a short length of time before the majority of dailies jump on the Daily Mail anti-Europe bandwagon. The EC and economic immigration is starting to really HURT the UK taxpayer (that's why EC accounts certainly lack credibility - http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/news/worldnew

s/europe/eu/9657673/

Audit-seriously-unde

rmines-credibility-o

f-EU-spending.html) - and whilst a lot of us have had this belief for years, unsurprisingly our nation as a whole is now at last starting to awake from it's liberal slumber....
We get a lot more out of Eurpoe than we put in. The NHS would collapse without foreign workers. The price of British food would go through the roof, as British workers are too lazy to take the jobs and would rather be on benefits. The cost of buying anything made in Europe would rise (cars etc), and jobs in the UK would be lost as American and Japanese firms want acess to the European market so would leave Britain.
You may not realise, but Britain is in recession, so the level of economic migration is insignificant, people can get better jobs in their own countries.
The Conservatives realise the benefits of being in the EU, it's only UKIP who are scaremongering, about migration. They seriously believ that 4 million Bulgarians are going to 'flood' into Britain? That is to stupid to even respond to, as that would mean over half the entire population of the country somehow feel they would be better off in Britain? Dont think so.

stevobath says...
6:32pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Why'd Conservatives stayed at home?...M'mmmm

portia6 says...
1:52am Sat 2 Mar 13

benjamin wrote:
I guess that there are not as many gay couples in Eastleigh as David Cameron thought.
Ooh shut door as quoted by Larry
Grayson!

portia6 says...
2:01am Sat 2 Mar 13

portia6 wrote:
benjamin wrote:
I guess that there are not as many gay couples in Eastleigh as David Cameron thought.
Ooh shut door as quoted by Larry
Grayson!
Shut that door! Probably a few closet
ones who cares?

EGHH says...
7:06am Sat 2 Mar 13

Here is a thought.

If the UK pulls out of the EU (a stupid idea!) EU employment rights and holiday regulations will no longer apply.

It was not the British Govt. that agreed a legally entitled to 5.6 weeks paid holiday per year (known as statutory leave entitlement or annual leave).

It is a EU minimum requirement. The UK leaves the EU and this will disappear overnight.

Why do you think right-wing Tories and the right-wing UKIP wants us out? Its so workers can be exploited.

Be careful what you wish for!

ctrewyou says...
7:18am Sat 2 Mar 13

bourne free wrote:
ctrewyou wrote:
gileto wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
Arrogance has cost many an MP their seat. The Tories have let their supporters down by allowing the LibDems to dictate policies. Whilst Labour left the country facing an economic catastrophe the Tories and LibDems have spent too much time compromising to appease their own parties instead of facing the problems head on and dealing with them. Rather than having a coalition which promised to govern in the national interest we have a government which dithers and performs so many u-turns that its difficult to see what they have done to get us out of the mess we’re in.
.
UKIP seems to be appealing to Bournemouth Tories core supporters, the silver voters. They play to the xenophobic wrinklies who believe everything they read in the Daily Mail. The fact that UKIP don’t have any policies on the economy, environment, health and social care, education etc seems to pass people by.
.
It used to be the case that people said Vote LibDem get Labour, now the Tories have to rebuild trust and convince people that if they Vote UKIP at the next election they’ll be handing Labour the keys to Number 10. I wish them luck.
Why just quote the Daily Mail? You could have also quoted the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and so on, all of which are now following the Daily Mail's example of not namby-pambying about when it comes to EC immigrants and how little benefit the silent majority of indigenous British feel that they give us - pressure on housing, jobs, hospitals, roads, energy resources, schools, translation services (which we all pay for, somehow when they can't be bothered to learn the language). It's inevitably only a short length of time before the majority of dailies jump on the Daily Mail anti-Europe bandwagon. The EC and economic immigration is starting to really HURT the UK taxpayer (that's why EC accounts certainly lack credibility - http://www.telegraph



.co.uk/news/worldnew



s/europe/eu/9657673/



Audit-seriously-unde



rmines-credibility-o



f-EU-spending.html) - and whilst a lot of us have had this belief for years, unsurprisingly our nation as a whole is now at last starting to awake from it's liberal slumber....
We get a lot more out of Eurpoe than we put in. The NHS would collapse without foreign workers. The price of British food would go through the roof, as British workers are too lazy to take the jobs and would rather be on benefits. The cost of buying anything made in Europe would rise (cars etc), and jobs in the UK would be lost as American and Japanese firms want acess to the European market so would leave Britain.
You may not realise, but Britain is in recession, so the level of economic migration is insignificant, people can get better jobs in their own countries.
The Conservatives realise the benefits of being in the EU, it's only UKIP who are scaremongering, about migration. They seriously believ that 4 million Bulgarians are going to 'flood' into Britain? That is to stupid to even respond to, as that would mean over half the entire population of the country somehow feel they would be better off in Britain? Dont think so.
chewyou - what a load of cr-p in your post .
Which bits are incorrect, exactly?
American and Japanese firms want us to be out of the EU, so they can pay higher tariffs to export to Europe? We have enough British doctors and nurses, and cooks and cleaners in the NHS to get rid of all the foreign staff? Over half the entire population of a country is looking to emigrate to Britain as soon as they get the chance? We are all looking forward to getting out of the EU and paying higher taxes and duties on fuel and food? Even the Conservatives are not so stupid as to think it's a good idea to get out of the EU.

Baywolf says...
9:05am Sat 2 Mar 13

Deluded and arrogant to the last, just like Osbourne, this is so Tory refusing to accept defeat and understand that it's a party for the haves, it's the old school, blue tie better than you party, always has been always will be. A certain German chancellor held onto his belief that his way was right and that a wave of good fortune would save the country...

Clunge says...
10:13am Sat 2 Mar 13

Leaving a market of 500 million people would be stupid. Farage was a City trader, he is rich. Leaving the EU might not bother him, but it would bother someone working for Nissan or Honda in the UK, because those factories will move to Europe.
It is not the EU that is the problem, it is the ruling elite in the UK, the judges for instance. France has 10million muslims, is signatory to the same EU regulations and Human Rights Act as us, yet they ban the burkha in public. can you ever imagine our left wing judges allowing such a sensible act here? So most of the anti EU Daily Mail drivel is a result of the way our legal system interprets the rules, the rest of the EU just get on and ignore the bits they don't like.
We need a secular society. Scrap the house of lords. Why should a priest, rabbi, Imman or crony have a say on laws that effect me? Elect a second chamber if need be.
Then cull the welfare bill, compel our chav generation to work, limit child benefit to two kids, food vouchers rather than cash. Then slash the taxes for workers when the economy picks up.
As for the scare stories about eastern european immigration. I would rather welcome hard working, white, christians here than continue opening the door to non whites from africa and pakistan for instance, thats just my opinion, some won't like it. We can use existing laws to deal with immigrants who break the law, but generally they only stay if there are job vacancies.
It says a lot that a hard working eastern european girl can be found cleaning hotel rooms in Bournemouth for low wages, whilst a fat,lazy english breeding machine can sit doing nothing in her flat provided by a Housing Association.
It's time the basics were sorted out.

gileto says...
10:47am Sat 2 Mar 13

ctrewyou wrote:
gileto wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
Arrogance has cost many an MP their seat. The Tories have let their supporters down by allowing the LibDems to dictate policies. Whilst Labour left the country facing an economic catastrophe the Tories and LibDems have spent too much time compromising to appease their own parties instead of facing the problems head on and dealing with them. Rather than having a coalition which promised to govern in the national interest we have a government which dithers and performs so many u-turns that its difficult to see what they have done to get us out of the mess we’re in.
.
UKIP seems to be appealing to Bournemouth Tories core supporters, the silver voters. They play to the xenophobic wrinklies who believe everything they read in the Daily Mail. The fact that UKIP don’t have any policies on the economy, environment, health and social care, education etc seems to pass people by.
.
It used to be the case that people said Vote LibDem get Labour, now the Tories have to rebuild trust and convince people that if they Vote UKIP at the next election they’ll be handing Labour the keys to Number 10. I wish them luck.
Why just quote the Daily Mail? You could have also quoted the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and so on, all of which are now following the Daily Mail's example of not namby-pambying about when it comes to EC immigrants and how little benefit the silent majority of indigenous British feel that they give us - pressure on housing, jobs, hospitals, roads, energy resources, schools, translation services (which we all pay for, somehow when they can't be bothered to learn the language). It's inevitably only a short length of time before the majority of dailies jump on the Daily Mail anti-Europe bandwagon. The EC and economic immigration is starting to really HURT the UK taxpayer (that's why EC accounts certainly lack credibility - http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/news/worldnew


s/europe/eu/9657673/


Audit-seriously-unde


rmines-credibility-o


f-EU-spending.html) - and whilst a lot of us have had this belief for years, unsurprisingly our nation as a whole is now at last starting to awake from it's liberal slumber....
We get a lot more out of Eurpoe than we put in. The NHS would collapse without foreign workers. The price of British food would go through the roof, as British workers are too lazy to take the jobs and would rather be on benefits. The cost of buying anything made in Europe would rise (cars etc), and jobs in the UK would be lost as American and Japanese firms want acess to the European market so would leave Britain.
You may not realise, but Britain is in recession, so the level of economic migration is insignificant, people can get better jobs in their own countries.
The Conservatives realise the benefits of being in the EU, it's only UKIP who are scaremongering, about migration. They seriously believ that 4 million Bulgarians are going to 'flood' into Britain? That is to stupid to even respond to, as that would mean over half the entire population of the country somehow feel they would be better off in Britain? Dont think so.
The NHS wouldn't collapse without more EC workers - there would less of them needing NHS treatment to fall back on of course.
Don't forget there's the little matter of Welfare Reform which will have to change the attitude of baby machines and the lazy. However many Bulgarians/Romanians turn up from 2014 it will be too many in an already overcrowded nation whose infrastructure cannot cope already, particularly with benefit/NHS tourists and the levels of immigrants turning to crime (when police resources laughingly are constantly being squeezed!).

Clunge says...
12:23pm Sat 2 Mar 13

gileto,
400,000 Brits live in Spain, 150,000 in France, 100,000 in Germany and 30,000 live in Italy, not to mention all the other EU Countries that is home to British Citizens. So other countries are "burdened" by us Brits. I think being able to live elsewhere in the EU is good, you may disagree.
The 500,000 Poles in the vast majority are hard working, but if labour conditions and wages are better elsewhere, or their own economy improves as the recession eases, many will go elsewhere so the numbers will drop. They are also paying vast sums in tax, that our own workshy are not. Until we compel 500,000 British unemployed into work, the work has to be done by someone else, and in this case the Eastern Europeans. It's not their fault, its the fault of us, the politicians, the voters and our own citizens for creating this something for nothing culture.

ctrewyou says...
2:45pm Sat 2 Mar 13

gileto wrote:
ctrewyou wrote:
gileto wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
Arrogance has cost many an MP their seat. The Tories have let their supporters down by allowing the LibDems to dictate policies. Whilst Labour left the country facing an economic catastrophe the Tories and LibDems have spent too much time compromising to appease their own parties instead of facing the problems head on and dealing with them. Rather than having a coalition which promised to govern in the national interest we have a government which dithers and performs so many u-turns that its difficult to see what they have done to get us out of the mess we’re in.
.
UKIP seems to be appealing to Bournemouth Tories core supporters, the silver voters. They play to the xenophobic wrinklies who believe everything they read in the Daily Mail. The fact that UKIP don’t have any policies on the economy, environment, health and social care, education etc seems to pass people by.
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It used to be the case that people said Vote LibDem get Labour, now the Tories have to rebuild trust and convince people that if they Vote UKIP at the next election they’ll be handing Labour the keys to Number 10. I wish them luck.
Why just quote the Daily Mail? You could have also quoted the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and so on, all of which are now following the Daily Mail's example of not namby-pambying about when it comes to EC immigrants and how little benefit the silent majority of indigenous British feel that they give us - pressure on housing, jobs, hospitals, roads, energy resources, schools, translation services (which we all pay for, somehow when they can't be bothered to learn the language). It's inevitably only a short length of time before the majority of dailies jump on the Daily Mail anti-Europe bandwagon. The EC and economic immigration is starting to really HURT the UK taxpayer (that's why EC accounts certainly lack credibility - http://www.telegraph



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s/europe/eu/9657673/



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f-EU-spending.html) - and whilst a lot of us have had this belief for years, unsurprisingly our nation as a whole is now at last starting to awake from it's liberal slumber....
We get a lot more out of Eurpoe than we put in. The NHS would collapse without foreign workers. The price of British food would go through the roof, as British workers are too lazy to take the jobs and would rather be on benefits. The cost of buying anything made in Europe would rise (cars etc), and jobs in the UK would be lost as American and Japanese firms want acess to the European market so would leave Britain.
You may not realise, but Britain is in recession, so the level of economic migration is insignificant, people can get better jobs in their own countries.
The Conservatives realise the benefits of being in the EU, it's only UKIP who are scaremongering, about migration. They seriously believ that 4 million Bulgarians are going to 'flood' into Britain? That is to stupid to even respond to, as that would mean over half the entire population of the country somehow feel they would be better off in Britain? Dont think so.
The NHS wouldn't collapse without more EC workers - there would less of them needing NHS treatment to fall back on of course.
Don't forget there's the little matter of Welfare Reform which will have to change the attitude of baby machines and the lazy. However many Bulgarians/Romanians turn up from 2014 it will be too many in an already overcrowded nation whose infrastructure cannot cope already, particularly with benefit/NHS tourists and the levels of immigrants turning to crime (when police resources laughingly are constantly being squeezed!).
I think if you consider the proportion of immigrants v British people 'turning to crime' you would realise the rubbish put out by the Mail / Express etc is purely hate-driven and racist nonsense.
In economic hard times, a nation turns on its migrants, exactly the same as happened in Germany in the 1930's. It is really easy to blame all the ills of society on immigrants and other groups, and allows peope show their true colours. Yesterday it was the Poles, today it's the Bugarians and Romanians. Tomorrow it could be the Jews, then they will come for me...
Most 'health tourists' dont come to Britain because they get a better service and have shorter waiting times in other countries.
As far as being overcrowded, I remember a school project when we worked out that you could fit the entire population of the world...on the Isle of Wight (standing shoulder to shoulder)

goatty says...
10:31pm Sat 2 Mar 13

Cameron should leave and join the Liberals as he is more of a Liberal than a Conservative. Worst Tory leader we have ever had. Spineless and totally powerless over the banks and Europe.
The Tories need to get back to the Right of centre and start acting like Tories. Shut the borders, stop all benefits for immigrants for 5 years until they have contributed enough tax, get tough on crime and yobs and have a referendum on Europe this year. Also renationalise the energy supply. This should be run as a non profit organisation for the good of the people, not for the greed of fat cats at the public expense.
Set up a national bank to start lending money again. Without bank lending the country will never kick start. The banks have put their two fingers up to cameron after his pleading to them to lend. Tax them hard and scarp the bonus system as it is obscene where 1 in 5 children are in poverty and go to school hungry where greedy bankers enjoy millions of pounds of bonus get by fiddling and committing fraud on Libor and mis selling.
Why won't Cameron do any of this and why has he lost all grass root support?? because he is a Liberal!!!!

The Liberal says...
10:33am Mon 4 Mar 13

BmthNewshound wrote:
Arrogance has cost many an MP their seat. The Tories have let their supporters down by allowing the LibDems to dictate policies. Whilst Labour left the country facing an economic catastrophe the Tories and LibDems have spent too much time compromising to appease their own parties instead of facing the problems head on and dealing with them. Rather than having a coalition which promised to govern in the national interest we have a government which dithers and performs so many u-turns that its difficult to see what they have done to get us out of the mess we’re in.
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UKIP seems to be appealing to Bournemouth Tories core supporters, the silver voters. They play to the xenophobic wrinklies who believe everything they read in the Daily Mail. The fact that UKIP don’t have any policies on the economy, environment, health and social care, education etc seems to pass people by.
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It used to be the case that people said Vote LibDem get Labour, now the Tories have to rebuild trust and convince people that if they Vote UKIP at the next election they’ll be handing Labour the keys to Number 10. I wish them luck.
Actually, UKIP do have policies on those things and they're pretty scary. Take a look at this report in The Independent:
 
http://ind.pn/WoeiMb

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