Poole council leader vows: I won't resign

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Poole residents will not be facing a council tax rise this year after Liberal Democrats and Poole People councillors combined to outvote the Conservatives.

They crushed the administration’s proposal for a 1.95 per cent council tax increase and the only rise residents will face is the fire and police precept - £8.51 a year on a Band D property.

In a highly charged meeting of Borough of Poole last night, in which all 42 councillors took their seats, council leader Cllr Elaine Atkinson warned of an “abyss” to be faced in future years, but pledged to carry on after losing by two votes.

“I’m leader of this council and I propose to stay,” she said. “I still haven’t worked out how we are going to fill that £14-16million gap. I am sure we will all work together to find a way to fill it.”

Despite an impassioned plea for councillors to be “leaders” and dire warnings that the council could face bankruptcy by 2015/16, her amendment to spend £500,000 of specific earmarked reserve to invest in growth, provided it was match funded, was voted down.

Cllr Phil Eades, Liberal Democrat said this was an 11th hour proposal which they had no chance to evaluate. “The funding is from a specific reserve of just over £1m whose express purpose is to support the medium term financial plan. This doesn’t support it in any way,” he said.

Lib Dem financial spokesman, Cllr David Brown put forward an alternative budget for a zero tax rise, with savings in senior management and cabinet member’s allowances and the £1m earmarked reserve used across three years.

Cllr Mark Howell, leader of Poole People, said there were more efficiencies and savings that could be made along with a radical overhaul of management. “We have a responsibility to taxpayers in Poole to make these changes before asking them to pay more council tax,” he said. 

But chief executive John McBride warned: “The focus is on a short term discussion about balancing next year’s budget. Nobody has commented on the £13m we have to find in the following two years.”

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8:23am Wed 27 Feb 13

jobsworthwatch says...

This is the equivalent of a vote of 'no confidence. Call an election immediately!
This is the equivalent of a vote of 'no confidence. Call an election immediately! jobsworthwatch
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8:40am Wed 27 Feb 13

Carolyn43 says...

They'll find other ways of making us pay, of that you can be certain.
They'll find other ways of making us pay, of that you can be certain. Carolyn43
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8:43am Wed 27 Feb 13

Time_Traveller says...

Bye bye, Mrs Atkinson. Please close the door quietly on your way out .....
Bye bye, Mrs Atkinson. Please close the door quietly on your way out ..... Time_Traveller
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8:51am Wed 27 Feb 13

Celestine71 says...

And so, when services are continued to be cut because there is no money, in fact less, who will the residents of the Borough be blaming then?? People get real! Managers make the decisions and they sure as hell aren't going to do themselves out of jobs are they, despite massive evidence of the Borough being top heavy - especially in Social Sevices. So we either pay more, or lose Services. This vote means a loss of Services. Unless someone does some serious managerial clean up work and that just ain't gunna happen!
And so, when services are continued to be cut because there is no money, in fact less, who will the residents of the Borough be blaming then?? People get real! Managers make the decisions and they sure as hell aren't going to do themselves out of jobs are they, despite massive evidence of the Borough being top heavy - especially in Social Sevices. So we either pay more, or lose Services. This vote means a loss of Services. Unless someone does some serious managerial clean up work and that just ain't gunna happen! Celestine71
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8:58am Wed 27 Feb 13

Time_Traveller says...

Celestine71 wrote:
And so, when services are continued to be cut because there is no money, in fact less, who will the residents of the Borough be blaming then?? People get real! Managers make the decisions and they sure as hell aren't going to do themselves out of jobs are they, despite massive evidence of the Borough being top heavy - especially in Social Sevices. So we either pay more, or lose Services. This vote means a loss of Services. Unless someone does some serious managerial clean up work and that just ain't gunna happen!
The loss of vote doesn't necessarily mean we will lose services - if the Council decided to use up some of their multi-million pound pot of money stashed away, a loss of services *could* be avoided.

After all, what are they stashing it away for exactly? If they hadn't noticed it is a rainy day NOW and they need to cut their coat according to their cloth by trimming down so many executive jobs from the top and so many councillors. Why does each Ward need TWO?

They will of course cut services and blame each other for not agreeing to the increase, but it is high time they realised that they cannot keep expecting their electorate to keep stumping up money they simply don't have.

The only cuts needed are in the number of pointless and faceless job positions within the Old Boy Network that *is* Poole Borough Council .....
[quote][p][bold]Celestine71[/bold] wrote: And so, when services are continued to be cut because there is no money, in fact less, who will the residents of the Borough be blaming then?? People get real! Managers make the decisions and they sure as hell aren't going to do themselves out of jobs are they, despite massive evidence of the Borough being top heavy - especially in Social Sevices. So we either pay more, or lose Services. This vote means a loss of Services. Unless someone does some serious managerial clean up work and that just ain't gunna happen![/p][/quote]The loss of vote doesn't necessarily mean we will lose services - if the Council decided to use up some of their multi-million pound pot of money stashed away, a loss of services *could* be avoided. After all, what are they stashing it away for exactly? If they hadn't noticed it is a rainy day NOW and they need to cut their coat according to their cloth by trimming down so many executive jobs from the top and so many councillors. Why does each Ward need TWO? They will of course cut services and blame each other for not agreeing to the increase, but it is high time they realised that they cannot keep expecting their electorate to keep stumping up money they simply don't have. The only cuts needed are in the number of pointless and faceless job positions within the Old Boy Network that *is* Poole Borough Council ..... Time_Traveller
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9:17am Wed 27 Feb 13

Carolyn43 says...

"After all, what are they stashing it away for exactly? If they hadn't noticed it is a rainy day NOW and they need to cut their coat according to their cloth by trimming down so many executive jobs from the top and so many councillors. Why does each Ward need TWO?"
.......
Many wards have three councillors.
"After all, what are they stashing it away for exactly? If they hadn't noticed it is a rainy day NOW and they need to cut their coat according to their cloth by trimming down so many executive jobs from the top and so many councillors. Why does each Ward need TWO?" ....... Many wards have three councillors. Carolyn43
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9:22am Wed 27 Feb 13

Meerkat22 says...

“I still haven’t worked out how we are going to fill that £14-16million gap. I am sure we will all work together to find a way to fill it.”

Here is an idea, get rid of some of the fat cat wages earned by most management in the council!! Stop spending money in areas that don't need it!!
“I still haven’t worked out how we are going to fill that £14-16million gap. I am sure we will all work together to find a way to fill it.” Here is an idea, get rid of some of the fat cat wages earned by most management in the council!! Stop spending money in areas that don't need it!! Meerkat22
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9:34am Wed 27 Feb 13

Branksome Boy says...

Perhaps Councillor Atkinson would like to take a pay cut! No I didn't think so! She is an extremely pompous woman who has no thought for anyone but herself and should never have been given the job in the 1st place. I want to know how much the council reserves are? No one at the top table at the council seem to want to tell us!
Perhaps Councillor Atkinson would like to take a pay cut! No I didn't think so! She is an extremely pompous woman who has no thought for anyone but herself and should never have been given the job in the 1st place. I want to know how much the council reserves are? No one at the top table at the council seem to want to tell us! Branksome Boy
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9:44am Wed 27 Feb 13

sea poole says...

Have to find £13,000,000-£14,00
0,000 in the following two years? Remind me- how much have we in the reserves 'coffers?' Oh, yes, £21,000,000 and it would still leave us with £7m+ in reserves...and I'm sure that our Chancellor will have our economy booming by then. Problem solved...
Have to find £13,000,000-£14,00 0,000 in the following two years? Remind me- how much have we in the reserves 'coffers?' Oh, yes, £21,000,000 and it would still leave us with £7m+ in reserves...and I'm sure that our Chancellor will have our economy booming by then. Problem solved... sea poole
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10:08am Wed 27 Feb 13

BIGTONE says...

She won't resign.
She wants to cream the taxpayer for years to come......
She won't resign. She wants to cream the taxpayer for years to come...... BIGTONE
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10:09am Wed 27 Feb 13

The Cerne Giant says...

Bleeding Heck

It does strike me that their are an abundance of Echo readers who would make perfect councillors . . . . .
Bleeding Heck It does strike me that their are an abundance of Echo readers who would make perfect councillors . . . . . The Cerne Giant
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10:25am Wed 27 Feb 13

justme20092009 says...

save some money,,sack most of the housing benifit staff as they are all useless
save some money,,sack most of the housing benifit staff as they are all useless justme20092009
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10:33am Wed 27 Feb 13

Baywolf says...

I know that sacking staff earning 18,000 a year and keeping councillors on at 30,000 a year plus expenses seems to me a false economy so yes I would make a good councillor and I certainly wouldn't entertain the notion that 30,000 would justify my position either.
I know that sacking staff earning 18,000 a year and keeping councillors on at 30,000 a year plus expenses seems to me a false economy so yes I would make a good councillor and I certainly wouldn't entertain the notion that 30,000 would justify my position either. Baywolf
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10:47am Wed 27 Feb 13

justme20092009 says...

sack her
sack her justme20092009
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10:48am Wed 27 Feb 13

live-and-let-live says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
This is the equivalent of a vote of 'no confidence. Call an election immediately!
no it isnt a vote of no confidence.
no, we dont want an election.
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: This is the equivalent of a vote of 'no confidence. Call an election immediately![/p][/quote]no it isnt a vote of no confidence. no, we dont want an election. live-and-let-live
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10:50am Wed 27 Feb 13

s-pb2 says...

For those who want Poole to merge with Bournemouth, no chance!!! We dont want Poole's financial problems over here.
For those who want Poole to merge with Bournemouth, no chance!!! We dont want Poole's financial problems over here. s-pb2
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11:21am Wed 27 Feb 13

Molecatcher says...

“I’m leader of this council and I propose to stay,” she said. “I still haven’t worked out how we are going to fill that £14-16million gap. I am sure we will all work together to find a way to fill it.”

Cllr Atkinson, just do the decent thing and resign. What is it about you politicians?...

Pah! Yes, I am sure they will find more imaginative ways of getting your hard-earned... Watch out folks...
“I’m leader of this council and I propose to stay,” she said. “I still haven’t worked out how we are going to fill that £14-16million gap. I am sure we will all work together to find a way to fill it.” Cllr Atkinson, just do the decent thing and resign. What is it about you politicians?... Pah! Yes, I am sure they will find more imaginative ways of getting your hard-earned... Watch out folks... Molecatcher
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11:29am Wed 27 Feb 13

speedy231278 says...

I expect they'll put up parking charges to cover it.
I expect they'll put up parking charges to cover it. speedy231278
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11:47am Wed 27 Feb 13

BmthNewshound says...

The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement
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Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare.
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I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.
The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement . Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare. . I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years. BmthNewshound
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11:52am Wed 27 Feb 13

s-pb2 says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement
.
Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare.
.
I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.
The irony is amongst all of this is that the social care departments are generally understaffed, with workers having ridiculously high and ever increasing workloads. I agree that Cllr Atkinson's proposal was the right one.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement . Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare. . I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.[/p][/quote]The irony is amongst all of this is that the social care departments are generally understaffed, with workers having ridiculously high and ever increasing workloads. I agree that Cllr Atkinson's proposal was the right one. s-pb2
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11:55am Wed 27 Feb 13

rayc says...

There's plenty of money. How much is the Three Towns Travel 'Improvement' scheme going to cost? £12m to basically create bus lanes so there is obviously cash around for some pet schemes.
There's plenty of money. How much is the Three Towns Travel 'Improvement' scheme going to cost? £12m to basically create bus lanes so there is obviously cash around for some pet schemes. rayc
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11:59am Wed 27 Feb 13

muscliffman says...

This is interesting "dire warnings that the council could face bankruptcy by 2015/16".

Firstly with their current reserves that seems to be an impossible position.

Secondly, what if they did? Bankruptcy for an individual or Corporate body wipes the slate clean. Debts are written off, end of. Pick yourself up, or form a new Company providing you have not broken the rules, and start afresh.

Translated into a Council legal entity situation this would surely also clear all employment contracts/obligation
s and crucially the massive pensions burden and allow for a fresh and efficient new start. All the fat-cats out in one easy go.

Maybe the way to go, bankrupt Poole, Bournemouth and Christchurch Councils and start again with a new financially clean 'City' authority. Bet they will like that idea in their civic ivory towers!!
This is interesting "dire warnings that the council could face bankruptcy by 2015/16". Firstly with their current reserves that seems to be an impossible position. Secondly, what if they did? Bankruptcy for an individual or Corporate body wipes the slate clean. Debts are written off, end of. Pick yourself up, or form a new Company providing you have not broken the rules, and start afresh. Translated into a Council legal entity situation this would surely also clear all employment contracts/obligation s and crucially the massive pensions burden and allow for a fresh and efficient new start. All the fat-cats out in one easy go. Maybe the way to go, bankrupt Poole, Bournemouth and Christchurch Councils and start again with a new financially clean 'City' authority. Bet they will like that idea in their civic ivory towers!! muscliffman
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12:00pm Wed 27 Feb 13

harrythered says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement
.
Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare.
.
I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.
What a contradiction. You say that there are non jobs, little empires and increased headcount then you say the budget should go up. Why? Get to grips with and get rid of the non jobs and little empires - JUST DO IT NOW! Oh and merge Bournemouth Poole and Christchurch Councils - that should save a few more million.
Well done to all the Councillors who voted against the increase.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement . Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare. . I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.[/p][/quote]What a contradiction. You say that there are non jobs, little empires and increased headcount then you say the budget should go up. Why? Get to grips with and get rid of the non jobs and little empires - JUST DO IT NOW! Oh and merge Bournemouth Poole and Christchurch Councils - that should save a few more million. Well done to all the Councillors who voted against the increase. harrythered
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12:11pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Hessenford says...

Over the last few years every household in the country as had to adjust it's budget because of wage freezes and price hikes, councils are no different, live within your means Mrs Atkinson, cut out the pies my dear.
Over the last few years every household in the country as had to adjust it's budget because of wage freezes and price hikes, councils are no different, live within your means Mrs Atkinson, cut out the pies my dear. Hessenford
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12:15pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Gordon Cann says...

Is the Poole Conservative Council part of the same Conservative Party which has George Osborne as Chancellor and which has led this country into a double dip recession or who had Lady Thatcher as Prime Minister, who began the process of deregulating the banks with all the consequences we now see?
Is the Poole Conservative Council part of the same Conservative Party which has George Osborne as Chancellor and which has led this country into a double dip recession or who had Lady Thatcher as Prime Minister, who began the process of deregulating the banks with all the consequences we now see? Gordon Cann
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12:17pm Wed 27 Feb 13

dorsetred says...

REMEMBER 25% of Rates paid, go directly to SERVICE TOP HEAVY and in most cases undeserved second PENSIONS. WE ARE ALL IN THIS TO_GETHER.
REMEMBER 25% of Rates paid, go directly to SERVICE TOP HEAVY and in most cases undeserved second PENSIONS. WE ARE ALL IN THIS TO_GETHER. dorsetred
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12:20pm Wed 27 Feb 13

boblister says...

There is TOO much waste and staffing levels are TOO high, there were 50+ people in the planning dept, why? There is hardly any building going on, so reduce the staffing now.

I could provide £150,000 extra per year by adding 100 more Beach Huts and £60,000 instantly by converting the poor performing income Short Term Rental Huts to Annual rental.
Short term rental could be serviced from the Annual Tenants.
There is TOO much waste and staffing levels are TOO high, there were 50+ people in the planning dept, why? There is hardly any building going on, so reduce the staffing now. I could provide £150,000 extra per year by adding 100 more Beach Huts and £60,000 instantly by converting the poor performing income Short Term Rental Huts to Annual rental. Short term rental could be serviced from the Annual Tenants. boblister
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12:56pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Ebb Tide says...

Do I detect democracy working so that the Council is actually recognising the realities being experienced by the electorate ?

Surely not ! We must see what happens next and then next, to check that our elected representatives are really starting to 'control' (not manage !) the vast machine that is intended to serve us all.

Everybody in public service, wants to know that their efforts are meaningful and valuable to society and not just part of a misguided 'ego trip' being taken by a few.
Do I detect democracy working so that the Council is actually recognising the realities being experienced by the electorate ? Surely not ! We must see what happens next and then next, to check that our elected representatives are really starting to 'control' (not manage !) the vast machine that is intended to serve us all. Everybody in public service, wants to know that their efforts are meaningful and valuable to society and not just part of a misguided 'ego trip' being taken by a few. Ebb Tide
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1:01pm Wed 27 Feb 13

joncon says...

Stop moaning and write to your councillors about it. Posting comments here will have no effect
Stop moaning and write to your councillors about it. Posting comments here will have no effect joncon
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1:14pm Wed 27 Feb 13

chiefwolf2 says...

They can save £500,000 by running the CCTV control with volunteers! like they do in other towns and cities
They can save £500,000 by running the CCTV control with volunteers! like they do in other towns and cities chiefwolf2
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1:16pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Ebb Tide says...

joncon wrote:
Stop moaning and write to your councillors about it. Posting comments here will have no effect
Some of them find it quite illuminating and sets the letters they do receive in context !!
[quote][p][bold]joncon[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning and write to your councillors about it. Posting comments here will have no effect[/p][/quote]Some of them find it quite illuminating and sets the letters they do receive in context !! Ebb Tide
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1:47pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Branksome Boy says...

Just a note to let everyone in Poole know that the government has changed the rules on council tax - you can now insist that you pay over 12 monthly payments rather than the 10 months that Poole insist on now! Just make sure you ring them before the end of March! Please let everyone know about the change as Poole Council won't advertise the change!
Just a note to let everyone in Poole know that the government has changed the rules on council tax - you can now insist that you pay over 12 monthly payments rather than the 10 months that Poole insist on now! Just make sure you ring them before the end of March! Please let everyone know about the change as Poole Council won't advertise the change! Branksome Boy
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2:05pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Baysider says...

Instead of blaming the council for trying to plug a serious shortfall in it's funding with an increase for the fiorst time in years yet still seriously below inflation why not blame those responsible for the shortfall in the first place i.e. George Osbourne, Eric Pickles, Danny Alexander and the rest of this incompetent bunch of losers currently running the country into the ground?

One thing they have done really well is pushing the responsibility for cuts to our public services onto local authorities and then standing back with thier arms folded saying it's nothing to do with them and there's plenty of mugs on hee today who have fallen for it yet again.

As for all this nonsense about 'top heavy' overstaffing, get real, this result means further cuts to YOUR services which WILL effect you or yours sooner rather than later.
Instead of blaming the council for trying to plug a serious shortfall in it's funding with an increase for the fiorst time in years yet still seriously below inflation why not blame those responsible for the shortfall in the first place i.e. George Osbourne, Eric Pickles, Danny Alexander and the rest of this incompetent bunch of losers currently running the country into the ground? One thing they have done really well is pushing the responsibility for cuts to our public services onto local authorities and then standing back with thier arms folded saying it's nothing to do with them and there's plenty of mugs on hee today who have fallen for it yet again. As for all this nonsense about 'top heavy' overstaffing, get real, this result means further cuts to YOUR services which WILL effect you or yours sooner rather than later. Baysider
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2:13pm Wed 27 Feb 13

sea poole says...

live-and-let-live -With your comment, which cllr are you...?
live-and-let-live -With your comment, which cllr are you...? sea poole
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2:26pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Dr Strangelove says...

sea poole wrote:
Have to find £13,000,000-£14,00

0,000 in the following two years? Remind me- how much have we in the reserves 'coffers?' Oh, yes, £21,000,000 and it would still leave us with £7m+ in reserves...and I'm sure that our Chancellor will have our economy booming by then. Problem solved...
Not much chance of a booming economy for years osbournes policies have made things worce than they would have been if Alastair darling had been chancellor.
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Have to find £13,000,000-£14,00 0,000 in the following two years? Remind me- how much have we in the reserves 'coffers?' Oh, yes, £21,000,000 and it would still leave us with £7m+ in reserves...and I'm sure that our Chancellor will have our economy booming by then. Problem solved...[/p][/quote]Not much chance of a booming economy for years osbournes policies have made things worce than they would have been if Alastair darling had been chancellor. Dr Strangelove
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2:28pm Wed 27 Feb 13

skydriver says...

If she was employed by me she would have been fired long ago, and then find one one who can do the job, so best she can do is go, quietly , she will never hold any other form of position.
If she was employed by me she would have been fired long ago, and then find one one who can do the job, so best she can do is go, quietly , she will never hold any other form of position. skydriver
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2:32pm Wed 27 Feb 13

MJD says...

Watch out of the big fat pay rise the Conservatives give themselves. That's next.
Good to see the Poole Peoples party and Liberals working together.
Watch out of the big fat pay rise the Conservatives give themselves. That's next. Good to see the Poole Peoples party and Liberals working together. MJD
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2:52pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Idea5any1? says...

I've just read his comment trail, and I have to say I am heartened to hear more people in public office being held to account for their actions and poor decision making.

Borough of Poole might be having problems this week but it seems they are not the only ones, Dorset County Council was taken to task at the weekend about the waste of public money spent lighting the car park at Queen Elizabeth's School Wimborne, (see Saturday's echo)
I've just read his comment trail, and I have to say I am heartened to hear more people in public office being held to account for their actions and poor decision making. Borough of Poole might be having problems this week but it seems they are not the only ones, Dorset County Council was taken to task at the weekend about the waste of public money spent lighting the car park at Queen Elizabeth's School Wimborne, (see Saturday's echo) Idea5any1?
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2:57pm Wed 27 Feb 13

BmthNewshound says...

harrythered wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement
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Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare.
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I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.
What a contradiction. You say that there are non jobs, little empires and increased headcount then you say the budget should go up. Why? Get to grips with and get rid of the non jobs and little empires - JUST DO IT NOW! Oh and merge Bournemouth Poole and Christchurch Councils - that should save a few more million.
Well done to all the Councillors who voted against the increase.
A zero or below inflation increase means that in real terms the value of the council tax collected is going down. Reducing headcount is the right thing to do but that costs money - redundancies don't come cheap and the public sector redundancy payments are generally more generous than the minimum allowed under employment legislation. The councils will have agreements with unions which will mean redundancies will be a long drawn out process which means they just can't do it now.
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On the merger of Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch - I'm all for the merger of Bournemouth and Poole, Christchurch is slowing merging with East Dorset so should be left to get on with it. If Bournemouth & Poole merged it would save £millions but there are too many councillors with their noses in the trough for that to happen.
[quote][p][bold]harrythered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement . Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare. . I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.[/p][/quote]What a contradiction. You say that there are non jobs, little empires and increased headcount then you say the budget should go up. Why? Get to grips with and get rid of the non jobs and little empires - JUST DO IT NOW! Oh and merge Bournemouth Poole and Christchurch Councils - that should save a few more million. Well done to all the Councillors who voted against the increase.[/p][/quote]A zero or below inflation increase means that in real terms the value of the council tax collected is going down. Reducing headcount is the right thing to do but that costs money - redundancies don't come cheap and the public sector redundancy payments are generally more generous than the minimum allowed under employment legislation. The councils will have agreements with unions which will mean redundancies will be a long drawn out process which means they just can't do it now. . On the merger of Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch - I'm all for the merger of Bournemouth and Poole, Christchurch is slowing merging with East Dorset so should be left to get on with it. If Bournemouth & Poole merged it would save £millions but there are too many councillors with their noses in the trough for that to happen. BmthNewshound
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3:01pm Wed 27 Feb 13

BmthNewshound says...

s-pb2 wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement
.
Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare.
.
I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.
The irony is amongst all of this is that the social care departments are generally understaffed, with workers having ridiculously high and ever increasing workloads. I agree that Cllr Atkinson's proposal was the right one.
The problem is that the services looking after the most vulnerable in our society are not "sexy" and have become cinderela services compared to the ugly sister vanity projects.
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Councillors are more interested in bolstering their own ego's than concentrating on providing core council services.
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement . Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare. . I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.[/p][/quote]The irony is amongst all of this is that the social care departments are generally understaffed, with workers having ridiculously high and ever increasing workloads. I agree that Cllr Atkinson's proposal was the right one.[/p][/quote]The problem is that the services looking after the most vulnerable in our society are not "sexy" and have become cinderela services compared to the ugly sister vanity projects. . Councillors are more interested in bolstering their own ego's than concentrating on providing core council services. BmthNewshound
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3:10pm Wed 27 Feb 13

apm1954 says...

"TAXI" for atkinson
"TAXI" for atkinson apm1954
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3:14pm Wed 27 Feb 13

guisselle says...

Branksome Boy wrote:
Perhaps Councillor Atkinson would like to take a pay cut! No I didn't think so! She is an extremely pompous woman who has no thought for anyone but herself and should never have been given the job in the 1st place. I want to know how much the council reserves are? No one at the top table at the council seem to want to tell us!
She seems to be indomitable a bit
scary really!
[quote][p][bold]Branksome Boy[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Councillor Atkinson would like to take a pay cut! No I didn't think so! She is an extremely pompous woman who has no thought for anyone but herself and should never have been given the job in the 1st place. I want to know how much the council reserves are? No one at the top table at the council seem to want to tell us![/p][/quote]She seems to be indomitable a bit scary really! guisselle
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3:22pm Wed 27 Feb 13

guisselle says...

Branksome Boy wrote:
Perhaps Councillor Atkinson would like to take a pay cut! No I didn't think so! She is an extremely pompous woman who has no thought for anyone but herself and should never have been given the job in the 1st place. I want to know how much the council reserves are? No one at the top table at the council seem to want to tell us!
She seems to be indomitable a bit
scary really!
[quote][p][bold]Branksome Boy[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Councillor Atkinson would like to take a pay cut! No I didn't think so! She is an extremely pompous woman who has no thought for anyone but herself and should never have been given the job in the 1st place. I want to know how much the council reserves are? No one at the top table at the council seem to want to tell us![/p][/quote]She seems to be indomitable a bit scary really! guisselle
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4:24pm Wed 27 Feb 13

manyogie says...

Cake and eat it.
Cake and eat it. manyogie
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5:08pm Wed 27 Feb 13

harrythered says...

Baysider wrote:
Instead of blaming the council for trying to plug a serious shortfall in it's funding with an increase for the fiorst time in years yet still seriously below inflation why not blame those responsible for the shortfall in the first place i.e. George Osbourne, Eric Pickles, Danny Alexander and the rest of this incompetent bunch of losers currently running the country into the ground?

One thing they have done really well is pushing the responsibility for cuts to our public services onto local authorities and then standing back with thier arms folded saying it's nothing to do with them and there's plenty of mugs on hee today who have fallen for it yet again.

As for all this nonsense about 'top heavy' overstaffing, get real, this result means further cuts to YOUR services which WILL effect you or yours sooner rather than later.
So you were quite happy with double inflation rises year after year were you and seeing no improvement in service to go with it. Just a job creation scheme. The sooner they get on with some real cutting the better.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Instead of blaming the council for trying to plug a serious shortfall in it's funding with an increase for the fiorst time in years yet still seriously below inflation why not blame those responsible for the shortfall in the first place i.e. George Osbourne, Eric Pickles, Danny Alexander and the rest of this incompetent bunch of losers currently running the country into the ground? One thing they have done really well is pushing the responsibility for cuts to our public services onto local authorities and then standing back with thier arms folded saying it's nothing to do with them and there's plenty of mugs on hee today who have fallen for it yet again. As for all this nonsense about 'top heavy' overstaffing, get real, this result means further cuts to YOUR services which WILL effect you or yours sooner rather than later.[/p][/quote]So you were quite happy with double inflation rises year after year were you and seeing no improvement in service to go with it. Just a job creation scheme. The sooner they get on with some real cutting the better. harrythered
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5:39pm Wed 27 Feb 13

ashleycross says...

On the spot litter fines would pay for poole to do away with any council tax!
On the spot litter fines would pay for poole to do away with any council tax! ashleycross
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6:39pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Hobad1 says...

Councillor Elaine Atkinson is just the prettiest girl in the whole world.
Councillor Elaine Atkinson is just the prettiest girl in the whole world. Hobad1
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8:56pm Wed 27 Feb 13

miniminime says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
They'll find other ways of making us pay, of that you can be certain.
Probably microchip our wheelie bins and make us pay for how much rubbish they collect !
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: They'll find other ways of making us pay, of that you can be certain.[/p][/quote]Probably microchip our wheelie bins and make us pay for how much rubbish they collect ! miniminime
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10:08pm Wed 27 Feb 13

s-pb2 says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
s-pb2 wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement
.
Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare.
.
I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.
The irony is amongst all of this is that the social care departments are generally understaffed, with workers having ridiculously high and ever increasing workloads. I agree that Cllr Atkinson's proposal was the right one.
The problem is that the services looking after the most vulnerable in our society are not "sexy" and have become cinderela services compared to the ugly sister vanity projects.
.
Councillors are more interested in bolstering their own ego's than concentrating on providing core council services.
This is twice in a row ive agreed with you, whats the matter with me?

Seriously though, your point is spot on. Its unlikely that most councillors even understand what social care do, yet social care takes such a huge chunk of the council tax.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: The real problem is that our council chambers of full of councillors who lack the skills and experience to perform the jobs they are elected to do. Over the years they have sat back allowing councils to increase headcount to mask incompetent management. They have allowed the creation of "non-jobs" to help council officers build their own little empires. For years councils have operated behind a curtain of secrecy. Restructuring the council to make it more efficient and reducing headcount may be the right thing to do, but it is expensive to implement . Now that money is tight the chickens are coming home to roost and the failings of councils to manage themselves in a proper manner are being laid bare. . I think that Elaine Atkinsons proposal for a modest increase increase was the right thing to do. Even with this below inflation increase significant savings would still have to be made. If you factor in inflation freezing council tax actually mean reducing it in real terms which can only mean bigger increases in the future. Council reserves and reducing headcount will help in the short term. By refusing to face up to the financial realities councillors are only creating problems for future years.[/p][/quote]The irony is amongst all of this is that the social care departments are generally understaffed, with workers having ridiculously high and ever increasing workloads. I agree that Cllr Atkinson's proposal was the right one.[/p][/quote]The problem is that the services looking after the most vulnerable in our society are not "sexy" and have become cinderela services compared to the ugly sister vanity projects. . Councillors are more interested in bolstering their own ego's than concentrating on providing core council services.[/p][/quote]This is twice in a row ive agreed with you, whats the matter with me? Seriously though, your point is spot on. Its unlikely that most councillors even understand what social care do, yet social care takes such a huge chunk of the council tax. s-pb2
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11:03pm Wed 27 Feb 13

awishes says...

Although no fan of Councillor Atkinson, she should be commended for at least
trying to recoup some of the money that the Government have taken away from the Borough by reducing central grants during a period of inflation.
I agree that nobody likes to pay extra Council tax if they can help it so understand the motivation behind some of the comments on here but cannot understand the level of vitriol which is depressing. I do know personally some of the evil Poole public sector workers who are of course responsible for the collapse of the world economy. Mind you , if even more of them do get made redundant as advocated by several posters I'm cheered by the prospect of them obtaining alternative employment as teachers of basic spelling and grammar to Echo reading morons.
Although no fan of Councillor Atkinson, she should be commended for at least trying to recoup some of the money that the Government have taken away from the Borough by reducing central grants during a period of inflation. I agree that nobody likes to pay extra Council tax if they can help it so understand the motivation behind some of the comments on here but cannot understand the level of vitriol which is depressing. I do know personally some of the evil Poole public sector workers who are of course responsible for the collapse of the world economy. Mind you , if even more of them do get made redundant as advocated by several posters I'm cheered by the prospect of them obtaining alternative employment as teachers of basic spelling and grammar to Echo reading morons. awishes
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7:54am Thu 28 Feb 13

tbpoole says...

Hobad1 wrote:
Councillor Elaine Atkinson is just the prettiest girl in the whole world.
...and the way she looks affects her ability how exactly? Do explain!
[quote][p][bold]Hobad1[/bold] wrote: Councillor Elaine Atkinson is just the prettiest girl in the whole world.[/p][/quote]...and the way she looks affects her ability how exactly? Do explain! tbpoole
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2:36am Sat 2 Mar 13

portia6 says...

Well its a man's world as you can see
not only in politics but especially the
church.
Well its a man's world as you can see not only in politics but especially the church. portia6
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