UPDATED: Councils meet to set council tax - but Poole's budget is dramatically overturned

by Steven Smith, Katie Clark and Diana Henderson

THREE councils met to set their council tax on Tuesday evening - with one meeting dramatically overturning the leadership's budget.

Poole's Conservatives, who are the largest group on a hung council, saw their plans for a 1.95 per cent tax rise defeated by an alliance of Liberal Democrats and the Poole People group.

The opposition's proposal for a council tax freeze was then approved instead.

Council leader Cllr Elaine Atkinson - now left to implement a budget she did not agree with - said she would not resign and pledged to work with other parties.

In Bournemouth, the Conservative-dominated council approved the budget in a 20-minute meeting.

The council backed a 0.7 per cent cut in its share of council tax. The cut means that the total bill will remain frozen even when increased charges by the police and fire authorities are added in.

Leader Cllr John Beesley said the budget and council tax would help those struggling in tough times while protecting frontline services.

Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them.

The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property.

Christchurch's share of the council tax is 11 per cent of the total bill.

Cllr Mike Duckworth, cabinet member for performance, said: “We recognise increases are difficult but the proposed increase is below inflation."

He added: "Council tax has not risen for two years. This is one of our key income streams, however, representing 61 per cent of our net budget.

"Recent feedback from the public consultation on the budget indicated that people preferred small manageable increases rather than large ad hoc ones."

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3:15pm Tue 26 Feb 13

EGHH says...

If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour.
If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour. EGHH

4:23pm Tue 26 Feb 13

sea poole says...

EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?
EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...? sea poole

5:42pm Tue 26 Feb 13

John T says...

sea poole wrote:
EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?
Probably to earn about 1% interest for the Council taxpayers whose money it is, and 5% for the poor bankers who have brought such misery on this country and the World.
I very much doubt if the Lib Dem Councillors will vote for this increase, when they have proposed an alternative budget with no increase in Council Tax. The outcome will depend on how the so-called Poole People vote!
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?[/p][/quote]Probably to earn about 1% interest for the Council taxpayers whose money it is, and 5% for the poor bankers who have brought such misery on this country and the World. I very much doubt if the Lib Dem Councillors will vote for this increase, when they have proposed an alternative budget with no increase in Council Tax. The outcome will depend on how the so-called Poole People vote! John T

5:53pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Hessenford says...

Any council tax rises along with increased prices in everything else will just make the decline of these towns high streets accelerate as everybody will have even less money to spend.
Any council tax rises along with increased prices in everything else will just make the decline of these towns high streets accelerate as everybody will have even less money to spend. Hessenford

6:31pm Tue 26 Feb 13

live-and-let-live says...

EGHH wrote:
If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour.
i thought the conservative government had told councils to freeze council tax?
[quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour.[/p][/quote]i thought the conservative government had told councils to freeze council tax? live-and-let-live

7:28pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Hobad1 says...

sea poole wrote:
EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?
Probably put aside for next year's bridge repairs.
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?[/p][/quote]Probably put aside for next year's bridge repairs. Hobad1

7:39pm Tue 26 Feb 13

muscliffman says...

sea poole wrote:
EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?
sea poole - have you not heard of pension pots, for themselves naturally?
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?[/p][/quote]sea poole - have you not heard of pension pots, for themselves naturally? muscliffman

7:49pm Tue 26 Feb 13

EGHH says...

live-and-let-live wrote:
EGHH wrote:
If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour.
i thought the conservative government had told councils to freeze council tax?
yes they did' but some councils decided to increase. Pickles is annoyed but won't do anything about it. Also if they keep below 2% they don't have ask the people.

I can't be the only one that is feed up with councils seeing the town's inhabitants as cash cows.
[quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour.[/p][/quote]i thought the conservative government had told councils to freeze council tax?[/p][/quote]yes they did' but some councils decided to increase. Pickles is annoyed but won't do anything about it. Also if they keep below 2% they don't have ask the people. I can't be the only one that is feed up with councils seeing the town's inhabitants as cash cows. EGHH

9:52pm Tue 26 Feb 13

EGHH says...

good news that Poole council has voted against the minority Tory plan to increase tax by 1.95%
good news that Poole council has voted against the minority Tory plan to increase tax by 1.95% EGHH

9:52pm Tue 26 Feb 13

EGHH says...

good news that Poole council has voted against the minority Tory plan to increase tax by 1.95%
good news that Poole council has voted against the minority Tory plan to increase tax by 1.95% EGHH

9:54pm Tue 26 Feb 13

live-and-let-live says...

EGHH wrote:
live-and-let-live wrote:
EGHH wrote: If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour.
i thought the conservative government had told councils to freeze council tax?
yes they did' but some councils decided to increase. Pickles is annoyed but won't do anything about it. Also if they keep below 2% they don't have ask the people. I can't be the only one that is feed up with councils seeing the town's inhabitants as cash cows.
so why are you saying the libdems are obeying their tory masters? when they are obviously doing the opposite?
[quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour.[/p][/quote]i thought the conservative government had told councils to freeze council tax?[/p][/quote]yes they did' but some councils decided to increase. Pickles is annoyed but won't do anything about it. Also if they keep below 2% they don't have ask the people. I can't be the only one that is feed up with councils seeing the town's inhabitants as cash cows.[/p][/quote]so why are you saying the libdems are obeying their tory masters? when they are obviously doing the opposite? live-and-let-live

10:12pm Tue 26 Feb 13

muscliffman says...

Would be nice for the people of Poole to learn exactly who voted in favour of taking even more cash from them.

Over to the journalists.........
and then back to the voters at the next opportunity!
Would be nice for the people of Poole to learn exactly who voted in favour of taking even more cash from them. Over to the journalists......... and then back to the voters at the next opportunity! muscliffman

10:30pm Tue 26 Feb 13

EGHH says...

live-and-let-live wrote:
EGHH wrote:
live-and-let-live wrote:
EGHH wrote: If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour.
i thought the conservative government had told councils to freeze council tax?
yes they did' but some councils decided to increase. Pickles is annoyed but won't do anything about it. Also if they keep below 2% they don't have ask the people. I can't be the only one that is feed up with councils seeing the town's inhabitants as cash cows.
so why are you saying the libdems are obeying their tory masters? when they are obviously doing the opposite?
I can only assume the local LibDems have still got integrity unlike their leader.
[quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: If Poole increases it Council Tax it will show everybody the LibDems would sooner obey their Tory masters than stand up for the hard pressed people of the town. Come the next election the voters will take their revenge on them if they do vote in favour.[/p][/quote]i thought the conservative government had told councils to freeze council tax?[/p][/quote]yes they did' but some councils decided to increase. Pickles is annoyed but won't do anything about it. Also if they keep below 2% they don't have ask the people. I can't be the only one that is feed up with councils seeing the town's inhabitants as cash cows.[/p][/quote]so why are you saying the libdems are obeying their tory masters? when they are obviously doing the opposite?[/p][/quote]I can only assume the local LibDems have still got integrity unlike their leader. EGHH

10:50pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Hessenford says...

So Christchurch has approved a tax rise of 1.95%, I hope they all sleep at night knowing that people who haven't had a pay rise in over 2 years are going to be hit once again in the pocket by faceless public sector bureaucrats on massive pensions and perks which we pay for.
So Christchurch has approved a tax rise of 1.95%, I hope they all sleep at night knowing that people who haven't had a pay rise in over 2 years are going to be hit once again in the pocket by faceless public sector bureaucrats on massive pensions and perks which we pay for. Hessenford

12:32am Wed 27 Feb 13

Mike_French says...

" Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them.

The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. "

So a band D property is only liable for approx £6.63p C/Tax per anumn?
How interesting......
" Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them. The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. " So a band D property is only liable for approx £6.63p C/Tax per anumn? How interesting...... Mike_French

12:34am Wed 27 Feb 13

John T says...

muscliffman wrote:
sea poole wrote:
EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?
sea poole - have you not heard of pension pots, for themselves naturally?
For one moment there, muscliffman, I thought you were referring to the bankers' unnatural pension pots.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?[/p][/quote]sea poole - have you not heard of pension pots, for themselves naturally?[/p][/quote]For one moment there, muscliffman, I thought you were referring to the bankers' unnatural pension pots. John T

1:24am Wed 27 Feb 13

Mike_French says...

Mike_French wrote:
" Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them.

The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. "

So a band D property is only liable for approx £6.63p C/Tax per anumn?
How interesting......
*Typo*

" Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them.

The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. "

So a band D property is only liable for approx £166.00p C/Tax per anumn?
How interesting......
[quote][p][bold]Mike_French[/bold] wrote: " Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them. The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. " So a band D property is only liable for approx £6.63p C/Tax per anumn? How interesting......[/p][/quote]*Typo* " Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them. The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. " So a band D property is only liable for approx £166.00p C/Tax per anumn? How interesting...... Mike_French

1:25am Wed 27 Feb 13

Mike_French says...

Mike_French wrote:
" Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them.

The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. "

So a band D property is only liable for approx £6.63p C/Tax per anumn?
How interesting......
" Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them.

The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. "

So a band D property is only liable for approx £166.00p C/Tax per anumn?
How interesting......
[quote][p][bold]Mike_French[/bold] wrote: " Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them. The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. " So a band D property is only liable for approx £6.63p C/Tax per anumn? How interesting......[/p][/quote]" Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them. The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. " So a band D property is only liable for approx £166.00p C/Tax per anumn? How interesting...... Mike_French

7:35am Wed 27 Feb 13

Baywolf says...

While councillors spin the fact that any increase is well below inflation the fact is that householders pay have been frozen for three years and in real terms their current pay is well below the rate of current inflation, currently on 2010 levels. Any increase however slight is a rise on an already diminished income. So papering it over with platitudes of well it's only a slight increase is just as bad as saying its a large one. Well done Poole for chucking the whole idea out, now that Atkinson woman will have to earn her £32,000
While councillors spin the fact that any increase is well below inflation the fact is that householders pay have been frozen for three years and in real terms their current pay is well below the rate of current inflation, currently on 2010 levels. Any increase however slight is a rise on an already diminished income. So papering it over with platitudes of well it's only a slight increase is just as bad as saying its a large one. Well done Poole for chucking the whole idea out, now that Atkinson woman will have to earn her £32,000 Baywolf

8:37am Wed 27 Feb 13

Carolyn43 says...

Now we can look forward to an increase in parking charges to make up for what the Tories have lost in council tax.
Now we can look forward to an increase in parking charges to make up for what the Tories have lost in council tax. Carolyn43

9:34am Wed 27 Feb 13

live-and-let-live says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Now we can look forward to an increase in parking charges to make up for what the Tories have lost in council tax.
maybe, but we can choose not to pay to park. well, ok, not everyone has that choice but some of us do. we can choose not to have a green bin which will cut our costs. with council tax, there isnt any choice. its just snatched from our banks.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: Now we can look forward to an increase in parking charges to make up for what the Tories have lost in council tax.[/p][/quote]maybe, but we can choose not to pay to park. well, ok, not everyone has that choice but some of us do. we can choose not to have a green bin which will cut our costs. with council tax, there isnt any choice. its just snatched from our banks. live-and-let-live

9:46am Wed 27 Feb 13

Carolyn43 says...

live-and-let-live wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
Now we can look forward to an increase in parking charges to make up for what the Tories have lost in council tax.
maybe, but we can choose not to pay to park. well, ok, not everyone has that choice but some of us do. we can choose not to have a green bin which will cut our costs. with council tax, there isnt any choice. its just snatched from our banks.
Whatever they decide, they'll get the money they want from us somehow - or at least from some of us.
[quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: Now we can look forward to an increase in parking charges to make up for what the Tories have lost in council tax.[/p][/quote]maybe, but we can choose not to pay to park. well, ok, not everyone has that choice but some of us do. we can choose not to have a green bin which will cut our costs. with council tax, there isnt any choice. its just snatched from our banks.[/p][/quote]Whatever they decide, they'll get the money they want from us somehow - or at least from some of us. Carolyn43

10:26am Wed 27 Feb 13

Darren Slade says...

Mike_French wrote:
" Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them.

The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. "

So a band D property is only liable for approx £6.63p C/Tax per anumn?
How interesting......
As mentioned further on in the copy, Christchurch's precept only accounts for 11 per cent of householders' bills. Dorset County Council charges the largest share and then there are the precepts for the police authority, fire authority and (where applicable) parish council.
[quote][p][bold]Mike_French[/bold] wrote: " Christchurch risked the wrath of local government secretary Eric Pickles by increasing its council tax by 1.95 per cent. Mr Pickles has criticised councils who raise their bills by just under the two per cent cap he imposed on them. The increase will amount to £3.40 a year for a Band D property. " So a band D property is only liable for approx £6.63p C/Tax per anumn? How interesting......[/p][/quote]As mentioned further on in the copy, Christchurch's precept only accounts for 11 per cent of householders' bills. Dorset County Council charges the largest share and then there are the precepts for the police authority, fire authority and (where applicable) parish council. Darren Slade

11:36am Wed 27 Feb 13

muscliffman says...

John T wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
sea poole wrote:
EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?
sea poole - have you not heard of pension pots, for themselves naturally?
For one moment there, muscliffman, I thought you were referring to the bankers' unnatural pension pots.
Two 'wrongs' don't make a 'right' though do they?
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: EGHH- I hope cllrs remember that there is £21,000,000 in Poole's reserves...for what purpose...?[/p][/quote]sea poole - have you not heard of pension pots, for themselves naturally?[/p][/quote]For one moment there, muscliffman, I thought you were referring to the bankers' unnatural pension pots.[/p][/quote]Two 'wrongs' don't make a 'right' though do they? muscliffman

1:55pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Branksome Boy says...

I have just found out that the government has changed the rules regarding payment of Council Tax. In the past Poole Council has insisted on payment over 10 months rather than the usual 12 months. But the council now must allow you to pay over 12 months if you ask for it. It might help peoples budgets but remember you have to ring the council and ask for your bill to be paid over 12 months. I'm sure Poole Council will not be advertising the change in policy!
I have just found out that the government has changed the rules regarding payment of Council Tax. In the past Poole Council has insisted on payment over 10 months rather than the usual 12 months. But the council now must allow you to pay over 12 months if you ask for it. It might help peoples budgets but remember you have to ring the council and ask for your bill to be paid over 12 months. I'm sure Poole Council will not be advertising the change in policy! Branksome Boy

3:36pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Branksome Boy wrote:
I have just found out that the government has changed the rules regarding payment of Council Tax. In the past Poole Council has insisted on payment over 10 months rather than the usual 12 months. But the council now must allow you to pay over 12 months if you ask for it. It might help peoples budgets but remember you have to ring the council and ask for your bill to be paid over 12 months. I'm sure Poole Council will not be advertising the change in policy!
Or email financial services with your details as I did.
Power to the people!
[quote][p][bold]Branksome Boy[/bold] wrote: I have just found out that the government has changed the rules regarding payment of Council Tax. In the past Poole Council has insisted on payment over 10 months rather than the usual 12 months. But the council now must allow you to pay over 12 months if you ask for it. It might help peoples budgets but remember you have to ring the council and ask for your bill to be paid over 12 months. I'm sure Poole Council will not be advertising the change in policy![/p][/quote]Or email financial services with your details as I did. Power to the people! Victor_Meldrew_Lives!

9:57pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Yankee1 says...

So will they be shopping for a new limo for the Mayor of Christchurch?
So will they be shopping for a new limo for the Mayor of Christchurch? Yankee1

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