Special Constable on phone when she collided with biker David Bartholomew (From Bournemouth Echo)

Scoty2hotty wrote:
So much for Dorset Police's "No Excuses" campaign... I received three points for having my phone on my lap whilst on loud speaker so it must be an offence!!

RIP David..

lelbel wrote:
what a lying toe rag and she works with the police omg,that poor man all because of her stupidity,hope she can live with herself,condolences to his family

dvdr wrote:
Yet another lying police employee, and yet another not to be prosecuted (in case the prosecution results in a conviction?).

Where does this stop? Can anyone in the police service be believed any more?

There was a time when I trusted the police, but it is hard to do so now. Who knows what untruths and misdeeds they perform, and hide? At least, a prosecution should have gone ahead, so that we could all see what was going on in our police force. Acquittal may well have been the result of a prosecution, but at least the behaviour of one of those who so diligently pursue the rest of us could have been publicly explored. Someone has been killed because of her actions, and she is relieved of all open forum examination - this is just not right!

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Alot on hear think the verdict was incorrect. We have a Mr martyn underhill who I believe is our crime commissioner what about a letter to him. It does sound like the "result" is iffy in the extreme!!!

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Alot on hear think the verdict was incorrect. We have a Mr martyn underhill who I believe is our crime commissioner what about a letter to him. It does sound like the "result" is iffy in the extreme!!!

rayc wrote:

Scoty2hotty wrote:
So much for Dorset Police's "No Excuses" campaign... I received three points for having my phone on my lap whilst on loud speaker so it must be an offence!!

RIP David..

I've always believed that most of the people involved in the enforcement of the No Excuse campaign do the very things that they prosecute drivers for, whether it be Police Officers, magistrates, speed camera operatives, Driver Awareness Course instructors, council officials and Councillors.

afcb-mark wrote:
No doubt she will soon be back on the streets issuing tickets to people to make more money and perhaps even twisting the truth a bit!! She is not someone to look up to she is a wannabe copper and a liar. She is also a disgrace to the Dorset Police force and I hope she has been sacked.

jill M wrote:

dvdr wrote:
Yet another lying police employee, and yet another not to be prosecuted (in case the prosecution results in a conviction?).

Where does this stop? Can anyone in the police service be believed any more?

There was a time when I trusted the police, but it is hard to do so now. Who knows what untruths and misdeeds they perform, and hide? At least, a prosecution should have gone ahead, so that we could all see what was going on in our police force. Acquittal may well have been the result of a prosecution, but at least the behaviour of one of those who so diligently pursue the rest of us could have been publicly explored. Someone has been killed because of her actions, and she is relieved of all open forum examination - this is just not right!

Is a special constable a police employee, as I always thought they weren't paid a salary? And if the case was submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service, and they decided to take no further action, how can this be the fault of the police?

rayc wrote:
As an aside it is a salutary lesson not to turn right out of a junction unless you can be sure that nothing is overtaking the vehicles you can see approaching from your right. It may seem that you have enough time to complete your turn before the lead vehicle arrives but as in this tragic case it is not always without consequences.

Phixer wrote:
It appears that the WPC was driving 'without due care and attention' which must be sufficient to warrant a prosecution where someone has been killed.

LNZ1 57 wrote:
I was David Bartholomews partner, I would just like to thank everyone for their supportive comments. Out of fairness, I do feel the need to point out that the investigating officers who presented this case to the Crown Prosecution Service and then subsequently appealed the decision not to prosecute, have tried their utmost to get justice for David and get this heard in a court of law, the CPS seem to have appointed themselves both Judge and Jury and disallowed its progress!

pitbull74 wrote:
There are hundreds of regular officers within Dorset Police who go about their duty every day, serving the community to the best of their ability. There are also a minority that let all of those hard working officers down. This minority eventually get found out and get pushed out of the job.
The car driver was a volunteer who has not had the same police training as her regular colleagues, the driving course that she mentioned in court would have been a round the block can you drive a car test. Not an emergency response course. Yes she should have known better, Yes she should have told the truth from the start and NO she she should not remain in the post of constable. I expect she only did a few hours a month anyway.
The real police officers in the case have as they always do, strive to bring to justice those responsible for such offences. CPS saw fit not to bring the case to court, not the police.
Remember its always the bad stories about the police that make the news, not the hundreds of good ones. Thats not news is it? thats them just doing their job. Police officers are a cross section of the community, normal people doing a thankless job.
My thoughts are with the family of David, but please dont let this womans actions tarnish your views on the real police officers out there.

Redgolfer wrote:

pitbull74 wrote:
There are hundreds of regular officers within Dorset Police who go about their duty every day, serving the community to the best of their ability. There are also a minority that let all of those hard working officers down. This minority eventually get found out and get pushed out of the job.
The car driver was a volunteer who has not had the same police training as her regular colleagues, the driving course that she mentioned in court would have been a round the block can you drive a car test. Not an emergency response course. Yes she should have known better, Yes she should have told the truth from the start and NO she she should not remain in the post of constable. I expect she only did a few hours a month anyway.
The real police officers in the case have as they always do, strive to bring to justice those responsible for such offences. CPS saw fit not to bring the case to court, not the police.
Remember its always the bad stories about the police that make the news, not the hundreds of good ones. Thats not news is it? thats them just doing their job. Police officers are a cross section of the community, normal people doing a thankless job.
My thoughts are with the family of David, but please dont let this womans actions tarnish your views on the real police officers out there.

Great Post, there are good and bad in ALL walk's of life and would not it be a bad world with out the Police and so nice to read his widow's words in defence of what has happened, my thoughts are with his family!!!

85tromby wrote:
This isn't the first time I've seen a copper on their mobile phone whilst driving. I know she wasn't in a marked car but there have been times when I've seen a copper on their phone whilst driving. Plus are their radios not just as much a distraction as a mobile phone? It seems to be one law for police officers and another for the general public!

Barty Jnr wrote:
I am David's son, James Bartholomew.

I would firstly like to thank all the Local authorities that helped during and after the initial incident – in particular the officers that have helped with the case and the emergency services and hospital staff that where possible did above and beyond all they could.

We as a family have had everything disclosed to us, and rest assured the officers that we have come in to contact with during the entire ordeal have been nothing but professional and honourable. Their priority throughout every step of the case was to seek justice for my father and my family. I cannot thank enough the officers in direct relation to the inquest. As some have said, there will always be elements to this that the outside parties will never know of, but for those present at the inquest yesterday, it painted a questionable picture of dishonesty, lies and fiction, but none of which the police manufactured nor attempted to conceal.

To say the most upsetting element of this would be the injustice done to my father would be a lie, for that would be losing my father, my idol and hero and seeing the pain caused to Lindsey and the complete heartache and devastation to my sister and family. All we have ever hoped was that we receive some answers to our many questions and we can hold our heads high and proud to have been his children, family and partner throughout this ordeal.

To all the acting officers that have helped my family – thank you for your respect, honour, professionalism and compassion. You are shining examples of your profession in what for us has been a dark time.

jill M wrote:

Barty Jnr wrote: I am David's son, James Bartholomew. I would firstly like to thank all the Local authorities that helped during and after the initial incident – in particular the officers that have helped with the case and the emergency services and hospital staff that where possible did above and beyond all they could. We as a family have had everything disclosed to us, and rest assured the officers that we have come in to contact with during the entire ordeal have been nothing but professional and honourable. Their priority throughout every step of the case was to seek justice for my father and my family. I cannot thank enough the officers in direct relation to the inquest. As some have said, there will always be elements to this that the outside parties will never know of, but for those present at the inquest yesterday, it painted a questionable picture of dishonesty, lies and fiction, but none of which the police manufactured nor attempted to conceal. To say the most upsetting element of this would be the injustice done to my father would be a lie, for that would be losing my father, my idol and hero and seeing the pain caused to Lindsey and the complete heartache and devastation to my sister and family. All we have ever hoped was that we receive some answers to our many questions and we can hold our heads high and proud to have been his children, family and partner throughout this ordeal. To all the acting officers that have helped my family – thank you for your respect, honour, professionalism and compassion. You are shining examples of your profession in what for us has been a dark time.

Thankyou so much for your post, perhaps people might stop blaming the whole police force now for something that one individual did. Whatever the outcome, nothing can bring back your father, and you have my heartfelt sympathy.

85tromby wrote:
This isn't the first time I've seen a copper on their mobile phone whilst driving. I know she wasn't in a marked car but there have been times when I've seen a copper on their phone whilst driving. Plus are their radios not just as much a distraction as a mobile phone? It seems to be one law for police officers and another for the general public!

The Warlock wrote:
She should of know better not to be using a mobile phone while driving considering shes part of the police force. As usual though one set of rules for us and one set of rules for them! Double standards as usual!

rayc wrote:
The report in the Daily Mail has a statement from the CPS which details the reasons that they did not proceed with a prosecution of the driver.
Perhaps the Echo could update their report to include it.
An extract from it says:
"'In order to charge Ms Carpenter with an offence of death by careless driving or death by dangerous driving we had to prove that her driving fell below or far below the standard required at the time of the collision.
'Two drivers who were the closest to the collision stated that when Ms Carpenter pulled out her manoeuvre was safe and did not inconvenience them.
'This supported Ms Carpenter's account, which stated that she checked both ways before pulling out."

I make no comment either way, just posting to pass information.

85tromby wrote:
This isn't the first time I've seen a copper on their mobile phone whilst driving. I know she wasn't in a marked car but there have been times when I've seen a copper on their phone whilst driving. Plus are their radios not just as much a distraction as a mobile phone? It seems to be one law for police officers and another for the general public!

ds corfemullen wrote:
same old story one rule for them and another for us

what i think wrote:
no excuse should be treated like anyone else would. absolute disgrace, take her licence, throw the book at her. for dorset police to show any kind of fairness they should come out and tell us all how they are going to deal with this offence. poor show police :-(

ty taylor wrote:
She would have to had attended the inquest the same as I had to being one of the witnesses. Unfortunately neither the echo or the mail have reported all the facts, they both probably didnt see each other until the last second as their view of each other could have been restricted by my van. (As has been published neither I or the other witness , who was waiting behind her saw her on the phone, there was nothing in her actions to suggest that she was not paying proper attention). If either I had broken the speed limit in the roadworks area or the vehicles in front of me had not broken the law then there would not have been a bigger enough gap for Ms Carpenter to have emerged from the junction and Mr Bartholomew may still be with us today. Please in the future do not post on these distressing news articles if you were not there and do not know what happened.

pitbull74 wrote:
There are hundreds of regular officers within Dorset Police who go about their duty every day, serving the community to the best of their ability. There are also a minority that let all of those hard working officers down. This minority eventually get found out and get pushed out of the job.
The car driver was a volunteer who has not had the same police training as her regular colleagues, the driving course that she mentioned in court would have been a round the block can you drive a car test. Not an emergency response course. Yes she should have known better, Yes she should have told the truth from the start and NO she she should not remain in the post of constable. I expect she only did a few hours a month anyway.
The real police officers in the case have as they always do, strive to bring to justice those responsible for such offences. CPS saw fit not to bring the case to court, not the police.
Remember its always the bad stories about the police that make the news, not the hundreds of good ones. Thats not news is it? thats them just doing their job. Police officers are a cross section of the community, normal people doing a thankless job.
My thoughts are with the family of David, but please dont let this womans actions tarnish your views on the real police officers out there.

nosuchluck54 wrote:
As you were unaware she was on the phone to which she admits to now after having lied to the police you did not know all the facts and obviously did not have a clear view as to what she was doing so ease off the patronising remarks ay

jill M wrote:

Barty Jnr wrote:
I am David's son, James Bartholomew.

I would firstly like to thank all the Local authorities that helped during and after the initial incident – in particular the officers that have helped with the case and the emergency services and hospital staff that where possible did above and beyond all they could.

We as a family have had everything disclosed to us, and rest assured the officers that we have come in to contact with during the entire ordeal have been nothing but professional and honourable. Their priority throughout every step of the case was to seek justice for my father and my family. I cannot thank enough the officers in direct relation to the inquest. As some have said, there will always be elements to this that the outside parties will never know of, but for those present at the inquest yesterday, it painted a questionable picture of dishonesty, lies and fiction, but none of which the police manufactured nor attempted to conceal.

To say the most upsetting element of this would be the injustice done to my father would be a lie, for that would be losing my father, my idol and hero and seeing the pain caused to Lindsey and the complete heartache and devastation to my sister and family. All we have ever hoped was that we receive some answers to our many questions and we can hold our heads high and proud to have been his children, family and partner throughout this ordeal.

To all the acting officers that have helped my family – thank you for your respect, honour, professionalism and compassion. You are shining examples of your profession in what for us has been a dark time.

Thankyou so much for your post, perhaps people might stop blaming the whole police force now for something that one individual did. Whatever the outcome, nothing can bring back your father, and you have my heartfelt sympathy.

ty taylor wrote:

nosuchluck54 wrote:
As you were unaware she was on the phone to which she admits to now after having lied to the police you did not know all the facts and obviously did not have a clear view as to what she was doing so ease off the patronising remarks ay

I am not supporting Ms Carpenter but am giving facts that the press have not. Also I did have a clear view as my van was the last vehicle that Mr Batholowmew overtook.

Babybop wrote:
Okay for her to give out points for the public being on their phone. She kills someone while on her phone, lies about it and gets away Scott free. And they wonder why the public have lost trust in the force!

scrumpyjack wrote:

Babybop wrote:
Okay for her to give out points for the public being on their phone. She kills someone while on her phone, lies about it and gets away Scott free. And they wonder why the public have lost trust in the force!

Why have they lost trust in the force?

speedy231278 wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Babybop wrote:
Okay for her to give out points for the public being on their phone. She kills someone while on her phone, lies about it and gets away Scott free. And they wonder why the public have lost trust in the force!

Why have they lost trust in the force?

Probably because of people like this!