UPDATED: Man arrested as vandals strike at Poole cemetery for second time (From Bournemouth Echo)
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UPDATED: Man arrested as vandals strike at Poole cemetery for second time
7:00am Tuesday 12th February 2013 in News By Juliette Astrup
Vandals strike at Poole cemetery for second time
MORE than 20 graves have been vandalised at Poole Cemetery – the second attack there in two weeks.
Mindless vandals kicked over headstones – breaking some in half – ripped out flower pots, and threw floral tributes, leaving a trail of destruction at the Dorchester Road cemetery in the early hours of Sunday morning.
It comes as a fresh blow to families left distraught after the graves of loved ones elsewhere in the same cemetery were desecrated at the end of January.
Then 25 graves, including that of a six-month-old baby and a World War One veteran, were wrecked – leaving family members who came to pay their respects devastated to discover the damage.
Stonemasons were already at work yesterday morning trying to repair some of the destruction – but Robin Case, of Excalibur Stone, said some headstones too badly damaged to be righted would have to be laid respectfully over the top of the graves.
Mr Case, who had also restored damage from the previous attack a fortnight earlier, told the Echo he believed the heavy stones had been kicked over – and would have needed a “determined effort” to topple.
“It’s despicable,” he told the Echo.
This time the graves were in the older park of the cemetery and were around 60 or 70 years old.
But the news of the vandalism has already caused anxiety for families with loved ones buried there more recently.
Neigh-bours of the cemetery were also shocked to hear of the second spate of vandalism.
Lindy Shackford, 63, of Dorchester Road, said: “It’s just mindless. I think it’s awful – but I don’t know what can be done aside from putting a guard outside.”
Andrew Flockhart, strategic director at Borough of Poole, said: “We are extremely saddened to learn of this second incident.” Both the council and the police do carry out regular patrols of the cemetery.
“However, following these incidents we will be reviewing our security arrangements in due course.”
Police are investigating the latest incident, and have arrested a 33-year-old man from Poole on suspicion of criminal damage. He is helping officers with their enquiries.
Dorset Police has asked witnesses and anyone with information to contact them on 101 quoting incident number 10:152, or call Crimstoppers on 0800 555111.
Police arrested a 23-year-old in connection with the first incident of vandalism in the cemetery. He has been released on police bail.
Comments(71)
AndyAFCB
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12:50pm Mon 11 Feb 13
homerjsimpson1979
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1:16pm Mon 11 Feb 13
I will then teach them a lesson they won't forget in a hurry!!
Dirty scum
Capricorn 1
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1:18pm Mon 11 Feb 13
There was a case of this in Southampton and the vandals were on some strange drug.
How horrendous.
Pablo23
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1:25pm Mon 11 Feb 13
Maybe when members of their family die they may realise.
nonnisrevenge
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1:26pm Mon 11 Feb 13
scrumpyjack
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1:37pm Mon 11 Feb 13
Capricorn 1 wrote:That was East Europeans and was certainly not "waccy baccy".
Are they on some kind of waccy baccy?
There was a case of this in Southampton and the vandals were on some strange drug.
How horrendous.
I can't remember the name of the drug but was something to do with female menopause and could be bought over the counter in chemists and was banned in Poland so they bought it here.
jacko225
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1:50pm Mon 11 Feb 13
Pablo23 wrote:Wondered how long it would take...
I would guess it to be youngsters who have no concept of the offense it might cause, or the ability to empathise with others. They see it as a bit of a laugh and a way to get into the papers no doubt.
Maybe when members of their family die they may realise.
"Damage in Poole must be youngsters quick blame them!" Must be nice to be able to know who commits crimes without evidence.
Not every youngster is like that what you said. Just remember that.
On topic - for this to happen once is disgusting; twice is just ridiculous. Hope whoever did this is caught.
lelbel
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1:52pm Mon 11 Feb 13
rich53
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1:54pm Mon 11 Feb 13
LocalHound
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2:02pm Mon 11 Feb 13
downmoor-ch63
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2:23pm Mon 11 Feb 13
LocalHound wrote:I think that if the quality of the cctv was anywhere near the quality of that in yellow buses, whether they were in a graveyard or city centres, the culprits would be easy to identify, it would also help to reduce crime, bearing in mind the reduction of the police force in the coming years.
An idea would be to have a night vision cctv camera system set up, so if there are any future incidents then those responsible would be caught on camera and this in turn could be used as evidence. Im sure it would not cost too much to have such a set up in place. Worth a thought.
spooki
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2:26pm Mon 11 Feb 13
notapeopleperson
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3:02pm Mon 11 Feb 13
jacko225 wrote:so who do you think it is then jacko, the oaps waging war on graveyards? i don't think so! i would class a youngster to be under 35, and i will eat my hat if the culprits are over 35, the term youngster doesn't necessarily mean teenager
Pablo23 wrote:Wondered how long it would take...
I would guess it to be youngsters who have no concept of the offense it might cause, or the ability to empathise with others. They see it as a bit of a laugh and a way to get into the papers no doubt.
Maybe when members of their family die they may realise.
"Damage in Poole must be youngsters quick blame them!" Must be nice to be able to know who commits crimes without evidence.
Not every youngster is like that what you said. Just remember that.
On topic - for this to happen once is disgusting; twice is just ridiculous. Hope whoever did this is caught.
djkent
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3:05pm Mon 11 Feb 13
phil1965
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3:18pm Mon 11 Feb 13
jacko225
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3:58pm Mon 11 Feb 13
notapeopleperson wrote:What do I think it is? Some mindless criminal who needs to get a life rather than upsetting people they've never met before.
jacko225 wrote:so who do you think it is then jacko, the oaps waging war on graveyards? i don't think so! i would class a youngster to be under 35, and i will eat my hat if the culprits are over 35, the term youngster doesn't necessarily mean teenager
Pablo23 wrote:Wondered how long it would take...
I would guess it to be youngsters who have no concept of the offense it might cause, or the ability to empathise with others. They see it as a bit of a laugh and a way to get into the papers no doubt.
Maybe when members of their family die they may realise.
"Damage in Poole must be youngsters quick blame them!" Must be nice to be able to know who commits crimes without evidence.
Not every youngster is like that what you said. Just remember that.
On topic - for this to happen once is disgusting; twice is just ridiculous. Hope whoever did this is caught.
Youngster? Under 35? Really?
goatty
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4:02pm Mon 11 Feb 13
Its called a deterrent
Linguist
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4:11pm Mon 11 Feb 13
heathwalker
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4:25pm Mon 11 Feb 13
so please give a name or names, so justice can be done, be it by the family's or the authority's,
scrumpyjack
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4:37pm Mon 11 Feb 13
jacko225 wrote:Yeah its bound to be some 'Last of the Summer Wine' types.
Pablo23 wrote:Wondered how long it would take...
I would guess it to be youngsters who have no concept of the offense it might cause, or the ability to empathise with others. They see it as a bit of a laugh and a way to get into the papers no doubt.
Maybe when members of their family die they may realise.
"Damage in Poole must be youngsters quick blame them!" Must be nice to be able to know who commits crimes without evidence.
Not every youngster is like that what you said. Just remember that.
On topic - for this to happen once is disgusting; twice is just ridiculous. Hope whoever did this is caught.
Morrigan
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5:09pm Mon 11 Feb 13
LocalHound wrote:I telephoned the Cemeteries Department last time this happened and was told emphatically that it would not be something they would consider.
An idea would be to have a night vision cctv camera system set up, so if there are any future incidents then those responsible would be caught on camera and this in turn could be used as evidence. Im sure it would not cost too much to have such a set up in place. Worth a thought.
I even suggested that anyone with family buried there could pay a nominal fee of a £1 or £2 but the lady I spoke to said it was not practical - and neither was putting in lighting systems or installing a warden on site...... so despite their talk, Poole Council seem not to give a hoot about the damage and upset that has been caused and they certainly seem not in a hurry to work out how they can prevent it happening again - as this second attack now proves :o/
spooki
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5:30pm Mon 11 Feb 13
djkent wrote:Yeah cos all of us oo live on council estates is well rough innit? Good grief, why don't you climb down from your ivory penthouse and stop stereotyping those of us who live on council estates. These 'people' could be anyone, yes, even someone in your lovely neighbourhood.
terrible wheres then police surpose they are on the wessex way doing pointless car checks they should be on these coucil estates getting the little sod that has done this
At least I know some grammar and can spell 'couNcil'...
GAHmusic
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5:52pm Mon 11 Feb 13
BIGTONE
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6:21pm Mon 11 Feb 13
How many times do you want it to happen? You are responsible for the well keeping of the graves on your property.
SORT IT OUT NOW.
fossilmole
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8:57pm Mon 11 Feb 13
Five minutes of being interviewed by Messers Smith & Wesson will sort this waste of DNA.
Wild dogs would be put down??????
Wageslave
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9:17pm Mon 11 Feb 13
rotcoddam
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11:33pm Mon 11 Feb 13
extorting unprecendented sums of money out of us they
fail to provide these posts. The claim lack of funds the truth is councils one way and another are extracting millions more each year than they ever have at any time in the past and charging for maany of their services whichnused to be included with the rates and dropping many services alltogether
spryte67
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8:51am Tue 12 Feb 13
rozmister
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9:50am Tue 12 Feb 13
jacko225 wrote:Saying you would GUESS it was youngsters doesn't mean you think all youngsters are bad; it means in this type of crime the poster feels it's most likely to be a young person. They could well be right under 25's account for the majority of vandalism related arrests. As well the point that some young people may not yet understand the emotional hardship of death is very valid - some people who are under 25 haven't lost someone they're close to yet or don't consider the emotional consequences of their actions.
Pablo23 wrote:Wondered how long it would take...
I would guess it to be youngsters who have no concept of the offense it might cause, or the ability to empathise with others. They see it as a bit of a laugh and a way to get into the papers no doubt.
Maybe when members of their family die they may realise.
"Damage in Poole must be youngsters quick blame them!" Must be nice to be able to know who commits crimes without evidence.
Not every youngster is like that what you said. Just remember that.
On topic - for this to happen once is disgusting; twice is just ridiculous. Hope whoever did this is caught.
Before you have a go at me too I'm a youngster (23) and I think this time perhaps you're being a bit oversensitive about comments about young people. You have to accept young people do account for certain social problems in our community whereas other crimes are more typically associated with a broader age range.
Rocketdog
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9:56am Tue 12 Feb 13
Bournesouthmouth Downpokes
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9:59am Tue 12 Feb 13
homerjsimpson1979 wrote:*Like
Hunt this vile scum down and send them to me..
I will then teach them a lesson they won't forget in a hurry!!
Dirty scum
lelbel
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10:00am Tue 12 Feb 13
Bournesouthmouth Downpokes
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10:03am Tue 12 Feb 13
spooki wrote:no spooki, actually djkent is right!
djkent wrote:Yeah cos all of us oo live on council estates is well rough innit? Good grief, why don't you climb down from your ivory penthouse and stop stereotyping those of us who live on council estates. These 'people' could be anyone, yes, even someone in your lovely neighbourhood.
terrible wheres then police surpose they are on the wessex way doing pointless car checks they should be on these coucil estates getting the little sod that has done this
At least I know some grammar and can spell 'couNcil'...
LocalHound
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10:03am Tue 12 Feb 13
Morrigan wrote:Although i am lucky enough to have my family still with me i can understand the anger and frustration from people who have loved ones buried at this site. Hopefully this will be the last of it. I wonder if the lady from Poole Council has a loved one buried their, probably not. Have a heart Poole Council. We the residents of Poole would like to see some positive action, this in turn would show that Poole Council do actually care.
LocalHound wrote: An idea would be to have a night vision cctv camera system set up, so if there are any future incidents then those responsible would be caught on camera and this in turn could be used as evidence. Im sure it would not cost too much to have such a set up in place. Worth a thought.I telephoned the Cemeteries Department last time this happened and was told emphatically that it would not be something they would consider. I even suggested that anyone with family buried there could pay a nominal fee of a £1 or £2 but the lady I spoke to said it was not practical - and neither was putting in lighting systems or installing a warden on site...... so despite their talk, Poole Council seem not to give a hoot about the damage and upset that has been caused and they certainly seem not in a hurry to work out how they can prevent it happening again - as this second attack now proves :o/
ianexams
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10:07am Tue 12 Feb 13
The world is sinking in it`s own sewer?
Bournesouthmouth Downpokes
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10:16am Tue 12 Feb 13
lelbel wrote:Allow me to assist you lelbel! Luckily my mother's, brother's, 2 grandparents and uncle's headstones are not here, but in a beautiful place somewhere in the middle of England, otherwise there'd be hell to pay! Excuse the pun...
LOW LIFE DISPICABLE SCUM BAGS,my daughters headstone is at this cemetary,I hope whoevers doing this doesnt lose a baby or any member of their family,then you may realise how hard it is.How someone could do this I will never know,hope you cant sleep at night.If I get my hands on you I will kill you
Kiki1973
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10:17am Tue 12 Feb 13
ianexams wrote:Whilst I'm not sure we would get away with flogging, I certainly see nothing wrong with public shaming. Rules aren't arbitratry, codes of conduct aren't fluid and every action has a consequence. Seems people are no longer aware of what is and isn't acceptable in a civilised society... maybe very public reminders are the way forward?
These THUGS are in the gutter, they don`t belong to society. Think the softly softly attitude taken by the courts is totally unacceptable they should be publically flogged in Poole Town Centre so the public can see the faces of these mindless thugs. The world is sinking in it`s own sewer?
The Liberal
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10:23am Tue 12 Feb 13
canfordcherry
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10:37am Tue 12 Feb 13
theDmonster
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11:25am Tue 12 Feb 13
justme20092009
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12:05pm Tue 12 Feb 13
The Liberal
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12:05pm Tue 12 Feb 13
theDmonster wrote:Theoretically, if over £5,000 worth of damage is caused and so the case is heard at Crown Court, the maximum sentence is ten years. Highly unlikely though.
What would the sentence (?) be for a crime like this? I would assume that it is unlikely to be prison, is it?
A man was sentenced to four years for wrecking graves in a Wolverhampton cemetery in 2011, but he had only just been released on licence from prison.
s-pb2
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12:18pm Tue 12 Feb 13
rozmister wrote:No criticism from me, very valid points, plus Pablo's original comments valid too.
jacko225 wrote:Saying you would GUESS it was youngsters doesn't mean you think all youngsters are bad; it means in this type of crime the poster feels it's most likely to be a young person. They could well be right under 25's account for the majority of vandalism related arrests. As well the point that some young people may not yet understand the emotional hardship of death is very valid - some people who are under 25 haven't lost someone they're close to yet or don't consider the emotional consequences of their actions.
Pablo23 wrote:Wondered how long it would take...
I would guess it to be youngsters who have no concept of the offense it might cause, or the ability to empathise with others. They see it as a bit of a laugh and a way to get into the papers no doubt.
Maybe when members of their family die they may realise.
"Damage in Poole must be youngsters quick blame them!" Must be nice to be able to know who commits crimes without evidence.
Not every youngster is like that what you said. Just remember that.
On topic - for this to happen once is disgusting; twice is just ridiculous. Hope whoever did this is caught.
Before you have a go at me too I'm a youngster (23) and I think this time perhaps you're being a bit oversensitive about comments about young people. You have to accept young people do account for certain social problems in our community whereas other crimes are more typically associated with a broader age range.
So many people are growing up these days with no real concept of what is right or wrong. Whoever did this saw it as a bit of life and dont care what the stones mean to the deceased loved ones.
But id go as far as saying theres so many young people these days desensitised to death, that the concept of death, even when close to them will still not mean much. To many now its just what happens when life ends and you get a Facebook RIP page
bourne free
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12:34pm Tue 12 Feb 13
theDmonster
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12:39pm Tue 12 Feb 13
Remember what happened to the landlord who got arrested when that girl went missing in Bristol? All the papers said it was him and it wasn't.
So I don't agree with naming and shaming at this stage
apm1954
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1:10pm Tue 12 Feb 13
stevobath
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1:18pm Tue 12 Feb 13
djkent wrote:What a crass,stereotypical statement.Yes.All of us who grew up on council estates are hooligans,theives & vandals.
terrible wheres then police surpose they are on the wessex way doing pointless car checks they should be on these coucil estates getting the little sod that has done this
Yes all crime of this kind can be traced back to council estates.
Frankly you're offensive.
calmdowndear
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1:20pm Tue 12 Feb 13
be wrong,however once someone has been charged with the damage then the echo should release a full front page photo with name,if the echo decide not
to do so then we should urge people to boycott the paper untill they do the right thing and let society know what scumbags are walking are streets,and stuff thier human rights who done this has no regards for rights of the living or the dead.
Pablo23
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1:23pm Tue 12 Feb 13
rozmister wrote:Well said. And I was only saying if I had to make a guess based on probability and previous cases of vandalism, it would more likely be youngsters.
jacko225 wrote:Saying you would GUESS it was youngsters doesn't mean you think all youngsters are bad; it means in this type of crime the poster feels it's most likely to be a young person. They could well be right under 25's account for the majority of vandalism related arrests. As well the point that some young people may not yet understand the emotional hardship of death is very valid - some people who are under 25 haven't lost someone they're close to yet or don't consider the emotional consequences of their actions.
Pablo23 wrote:Wondered how long it would take...
I would guess it to be youngsters who have no concept of the offense it might cause, or the ability to empathise with others. They see it as a bit of a laugh and a way to get into the papers no doubt.
Maybe when members of their family die they may realise.
"Damage in Poole must be youngsters quick blame them!" Must be nice to be able to know who commits crimes without evidence.
Not every youngster is like that what you said. Just remember that.
On topic - for this to happen once is disgusting; twice is just ridiculous. Hope whoever did this is caught.
Before you have a go at me too I'm a youngster (23) and I think this time perhaps you're being a bit oversensitive about comments about young people. You have to accept young people do account for certain social problems in our community whereas other crimes are more typically associated with a broader age range.
I think in a way it would be more palettable to think young people did it, being more impulsive, rebelious and without the full life experience. Maybe after a few cans of White Lightning or whatever it is they drink these days.
I find it a lot more disturbing to think a sober adult would go out and do something like this.
rich53
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2:09pm Tue 12 Feb 13
oscardoombug
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2:28pm Tue 12 Feb 13
oscardoombug
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2:59pm Tue 12 Feb 13
skydriver
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3:32pm Tue 12 Feb 13
ferdie46
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3:35pm Tue 12 Feb 13
theDmonster
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4:30pm Tue 12 Feb 13
skydriver wrote:I'm sure he will be named, but once it has been proved it was him.
This lout should be named and shamed , sod what the law says about identity, he should be punished big time. I don't want to hear the do gooders out there saying comments such as, it's his background, he has a health problem or some other daft excuse, better still let the public deal with him even better one who has had a family members grave smashed. Now there's food for thought.
Someone earlier said after he has been charged, but again, it should be once it's been to court.
Ebb Tide
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5:00pm Tue 12 Feb 13
skydriver wrote:We all know 'his or her honour' has the unenviable task of sentencing.
This lout should be named and shamed , sod what the law says about identity, he should be punished big time. I don't want to hear the do gooders out there saying comments such as, it's his background, he has a health problem or some other daft excuse, better still let the public deal with him even better one who has had a family members grave smashed. Now there's food for thought.
It is to be hoped that the culprit(s) are found quickly by the police with the help of those that can, so that due justice will be seen to be done.
I am affronted, like so many, and would not want to account for my actions should I ever have the responsibility of 're-programming' the offender(s).
In addition to the public disturbance issues that concern the police, it is also hoped the culprit(s) will be sued for the physical damage and the worry they have visited upon those affected by such inane destruction. Like lunches there are no free memorials to our loved ones - all must be paid for !!
oscardoombug
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5:18pm Tue 12 Feb 13
Roband65
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6:10pm Tue 12 Feb 13
LJT1966
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7:45pm Tue 12 Feb 13
rich53 wrote:Bringing back the stocks would be a good idea. Mind you it wouldn't be rotten tomatoes the public would want to throw. Scum bag.
If this person is the one who damaged these headstones, i think it's only fair he should be put on display in falkland square for everyone to see.
LJT1966
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7:45pm Tue 12 Feb 13
oscardoombug wrote:Hear hear!!
hate to say it as its sounds so awful, bring back the stocks.. let them be seen and suffer humiliation, balls to human rights.....where are the human rights of those they have taken?
MJD
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8:48pm Tue 12 Feb 13
AndyAFCB wrote:How can you read their brain dead heads.
These people need their heads read, unacceptable behaviour.
westhowewarriors
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10:49am Wed 13 Feb 13
that would be justice.
if it was one of my family members grave that had been targeted, god forgive me for what i would do to the c***s.
ferdie46
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12:52pm Wed 13 Feb 13
CC C-siders
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5:46pm Wed 13 Feb 13
Pablo23 wrote:Well said Jacko.
rozmister wrote:Well said. And I was only saying if I had to make a guess based on probability and previous cases of vandalism, it would more likely be youngsters.
jacko225 wrote:Saying you would GUESS it was youngsters doesn't mean you think all youngsters are bad; it means in this type of crime the poster feels it's most likely to be a young person. They could well be right under 25's account for the majority of vandalism related arrests. As well the point that some young people may not yet understand the emotional hardship of death is very valid - some people who are under 25 haven't lost someone they're close to yet or don't consider the emotional consequences of their actions.
Pablo23 wrote:Wondered how long it would take...
I would guess it to be youngsters who have no concept of the offense it might cause, or the ability to empathise with others. They see it as a bit of a laugh and a way to get into the papers no doubt.
Maybe when members of their family die they may realise.
"Damage in Poole must be youngsters quick blame them!" Must be nice to be able to know who commits crimes without evidence.
Not every youngster is like that what you said. Just remember that.
On topic - for this to happen once is disgusting; twice is just ridiculous. Hope whoever did this is caught.
Before you have a go at me too I'm a youngster (23) and I think this time perhaps you're being a bit oversensitive about comments about young people. You have to accept young people do account for certain social problems in our community whereas other crimes are more typically associated with a broader age range.
I think in a way it would be more palettable to think young people did it, being more impulsive, rebelious and without the full life experience. Maybe after a few cans of White Lightning or whatever it is they drink these days.
I find it a lot more disturbing to think a sober adult would go out and do something like this.
How can you point at youngsters when the article clearly states that a 33 year old man has been arrested!
18 years old = adult
33 yera old yobbo = waste of space that should know better and if he doesn't send him off cleaning the streets - preferably in wearing a tutu.
What a prize coward he is - name and shame I say!!
s-pb2
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12:22am Thu 14 Feb 13
guisselle
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6:01pm Thu 14 Feb 13
older graves about 1940.
guisselle
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6:01pm Thu 14 Feb 13
older graves about 1940.
cycletourer
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7:58pm Thu 14 Feb 13
homerjsimpson1979 wrote:this is England ,the land where the lawless can roam free without worrying.The moment a hand is laid on these scum,you become the criminal,they the victim.Sad but very true.
Hunt this vile scum down and send them to me..
I will then teach them a lesson they won't forget in a hurry!!
Dirty scum
heathwalker
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4:09pm Fri 15 Feb 13
the police are always up that rd (why), then the bail hostels in Dale Valley rd ! Echo 15 Dec rapist convicted ,, from Dale Valley rd, what chance do we have,,,
mikeymagic2
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6:15pm Fri 15 Feb 13
BournemouthMum says...
12:42pm Mon 11 Feb 13