Travel revolution ready for unveiling (From Bournemouth Echo)

I hope the plans include a new road linking the 3 towns, Poole, Bournemouth and Christchurch.
As well as a motorway link from Cadnam to Honiton.
I doubt it though, more likely they will introduce Bike and Bus lanes.

Waste of time and money.

It seems this is not about improving the roads for cars it is £12m to encourage people to walk, cycle and use public transport?

The words of Jim Royale spring to mind.

Well clearly this is going to be flop from the start, £12million quid buys you next to nothing from a road building perspective and clearly encouraging people to walk and cycle when it rains on average over 200 days a year is destined to fail. Plus I like many others liek my car and dont like sharing buses with chavs, smelly homeless people and badly kids!

The only thing that would releave traffic congestion in this area would be an eleveated mutli lane road (costing hundred of millions, so a no go) linking the towns up or an incredibly complex one-way system which would annoy the hell out people attempting short trips.

Probably better off spending the money on a new IMAX given this councils history of wasting taxpayers money!

As soon as a positive story breaks you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners are first out the trap.Rather than nothing happening moneys is being spent on improvements, why not wait before criticising to see the whole picture or better still move out of Bournemouth and leave it to us residents that care and appreciate when something good happens

Bournemouth council needs to let go of the romantic notion it has of us all cycling and walking to work, to the shops, visiting etc. Asides from the practicalities we don't have the weather. We don't need another cycle path we need road improvements and not the ones that consist of adding more traffic lights! We also need less parking restrictions!

It could only appear in this paper couldnt it,someone suggesting that we cannot walk or cycle to work or the shops because of the weather!

Are they going to double the number of buses running from Poole to Castlepoint?
I mean, there's already 5 (half empty) buses every 10 minutes blocking the roads and causing traffic jams.

"The launch will include details of planned improvements for those who want to walk, cycle or use the bus"

Any improvements for those who want to use a car? I just wondered.

Stop people from driving so that "More visitors could also be attracted to the area". Genius! Nice to see these people justifying their wages.

When they said travel revolution, I stupidly thought they'd be abolishing all the silly speed limits that are there for revenue generation, providing a less awful bus service, and a better, cheaper rail service as well. Never mind....

It will be a travel revolution!

We will all be going round in circles

Its main aim is to encourage walking, cycling and the use of public transport....... That shouldn't cost £12m.
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Given the demographics of the 3 towns (ie higher than average population of elderly people) is such a scheme even practical ?
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Unless you have a bus pass travelling by bus is expensive, with fare constantly rising whilst the service gets worse.
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I personally only rarely use the bus - people talking loudly on their phones, being forced to listen to other peoples iPods, having someone sit next to you who could do with a good wash - why would I want to pay for such an unpleasant experience. Introduce a club class section on the bus and I might change my mind.
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It takes me 10mins to get to Castlepoint by car, to walk to the bus stop and catch the bus it would take over an hour. Its too far to walk and you'd be mad to ride a bike around Castlepoint.

retry69 wrote:
As soon as a positive story breaks you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners are first out the trap.Rather than nothing happening moneys is being spent on improvements, why not wait before criticising to see the whole picture or better still move out of Bournemouth and leave it to us residents that care and appreciate when something good happens

Who considers the intended use of this money an improvement to our traffic problems?

The couple of hundred cyclists out there or the couple of thousand motorists?

If I can see a white elephant I do not wish to treat it as if it "were in the room".

I tell you what as soon as someone doesn't agree with a plan you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners will be having a go at them telling them they're wrong.

Linguist wrote:
Are they going to double the number of buses running from Poole to Castlepoint?
I mean, there's already 5 (half empty) buses every 10 minutes blocking the roads and causing traffic jams.

There's one every 10 mins (scheduled as such) goes down Stour Road.

Can't say I've seen it even close to being half full (or half empty eh?).

scrumpyjack wrote:

retry69 wrote:
As soon as a positive story breaks you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners are first out the trap.Rather than nothing happening moneys is being spent on improvements, why not wait before criticising to see the whole picture or better still move out of Bournemouth and leave it to us residents that care and appreciate when something good happens

Who considers the intended use of this money an improvement to our traffic problems?

The couple of hundred cyclists out there or the couple of thousand motorists?

If I can see a white elephant I do not wish to treat it as if it "were in the room".

I tell you what as soon as someone doesn't agree with a plan you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners will be having a go at them telling them they're wrong.

Of course when my planned re-tests of the over 50s is passed and becomes law those couple of thousand motorists will be reduced to a couple of hundred so the money will be probably split even dont you think

Now I can live with that.

scrumpyjack wrote:
Now I can live with that.

ideal, problem solved,i look forward to your support

Wow more money for improvements like the £160,000 to put a cycle way from 3 cross to hurn so people can cycle to work because the public transport is rubbish.
Now we have £12,000,000 to waste on similar projects. Someone is going to get rich on the back of this and it won't be made any better.
Spend the money resurfacing all the local roads that would help

retry69 wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

retry69 wrote:
As soon as a positive story breaks you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners are first out the trap.Rather than nothing happening moneys is being spent on improvements, why not wait before criticising to see the whole picture or better still move out of Bournemouth and leave it to us residents that care and appreciate when something good happens

Who considers the intended use of this money an improvement to our traffic problems?

The couple of hundred cyclists out there or the couple of thousand motorists?

If I can see a white elephant I do not wish to treat it as if it "were in the room".

I tell you what as soon as someone doesn't agree with a plan you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners will be having a go at them telling them they're wrong.

Of course when my planned re-tests of the over 50s is passed and becomes law those couple of thousand motorists will be reduced to a couple of hundred so the money will be probably split even dont you think

Are you also going to pay for the operations that will allow me and many others to be able to ride a bike or walk home from a bus stop with a weeks groceries?

Are you also going to pay for the operations that will allow me and many others to be able to ride a bike or walk home from a bus stop with a weeks groceries?

You could go every few days and carry a bit less each time.

Linguist wrote:

retry69 wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

retry69 wrote:
As soon as a positive story breaks you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners are first out the trap.Rather than nothing happening moneys is being spent on improvements, why not wait before criticising to see the whole picture or better still move out of Bournemouth and leave it to us residents that care and appreciate when something good happens

Who considers the intended use of this money an improvement to our traffic problems?

The couple of hundred cyclists out there or the couple of thousand motorists?

If I can see a white elephant I do not wish to treat it as if it "were in the room".

I tell you what as soon as someone doesn't agree with a plan you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners will be having a go at them telling them they're wrong.

Of course when my planned re-tests of the over 50s is passed and becomes law those couple of thousand motorists will be reduced to a couple of hundred so the money will be probably split even dont you think

Are you also going to pay for the operations that will allow me and many others to be able to ride a bike or walk home from a bus stop with a weeks groceries?

most supermarkets will deliver but whats your particular point?

Linguist are you saying that you are over 50 and know you would not pass a re-test?

scrumpyjack wrote:

retry69 wrote: As soon as a positive story breaks you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners are first out the trap.Rather than nothing happening moneys is being spent on improvements, why not wait before criticising to see the whole picture or better still move out of Bournemouth and leave it to us residents that care and appreciate when something good happens

Who considers the intended use of this money an improvement to our traffic problems? The couple of hundred cyclists out there or the couple of thousand motorists? If I can see a white elephant I do not wish to treat it as if it "were in the room". I tell you what as soon as someone doesn't agree with a plan you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners will be having a go at them telling them they're wrong.

I think the point is to convert some of those people using their cars into people using their bikes or walking. Leaving space for those who actually need to use their motor vehicles eg tradesmen, emergency services and the disabled.

It's quite clear that what's needed is a high speed monorail (or underground railway under the existing roads), although given these councils' past track record I wouldn't dare trust them with it, or it'll be funded by selling off the beaches for flats and 'monorail huts' and it'll frequently break down and only shave 5 minutes off your journey time once an hour like the twin sails bridge.

Whilst I don't disagree, I did chuckle at the way Jeremy Clarkson is casually referred to as a 'motormouth' like it's a given fact!

Retry69, I believe the accident rate for drivers starts to climb from late 60's. The graph of age vs accident is flat until then. So although I have sympathy for retesting you may want to raise your starting age. I'd rather retest everyone every 10 years regardless. Or immediately if they acquire 9 points.

PokesdownMark wrote:
Retry69, I believe the accident rate for drivers starts to climb from late 60's. The graph of age vs accident is flat until then. So although I have sympathy for retesting you may want to raise your starting age. I'd rather retest everyone every 10 years regardless. Or immediately if they acquire 9 points.

There are more incidents at junctions by the over 50s than any age group, leaving it till 60 is far too late they need taking off the road before they do more damage.I would imagine half the road signs were not in use when they passed their tests so they havent a clue what most of them mean and they have no idea of speed or limits

Another waste of public money. We need a decent road system, not more ruddy bus and cycle lanes!

What a laugh, it takes 90 minutes on the bus from Boscombe to Fleets Bridge it takes 2hrs to London by National Express why is there no limited stop service to Bournemouth from Poole takes 10 mins by train, to come up with this idea is a freebie not millions of pounds.

FNS-man wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

retry69 wrote: As soon as a positive story breaks you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners are first out the trap.Rather than nothing happening moneys is being spent on improvements, why not wait before criticising to see the whole picture or better still move out of Bournemouth and leave it to us residents that care and appreciate when something good happens

Who considers the intended use of this money an improvement to our traffic problems? The couple of hundred cyclists out there or the couple of thousand motorists? If I can see a white elephant I do not wish to treat it as if it "were in the room". I tell you what as soon as someone doesn't agree with a plan you can bet anything you like the usual Bournemouth moaners and groaners will be having a go at them telling them they're wrong.

I think the point is to convert some of those people using their cars into people using their bikes or walking. Leaving space for those who actually need to use their motor vehicles eg tradesmen, emergency services and the disabled.

Yes - it's ok I worked that out for myself.

The point is people will not give up their cars. £12m will be thrown at an idea that only looks good on paper but will not actually do anyting in reality.

retry69 wrote:

PokesdownMark wrote:
Retry69, I believe the accident rate for drivers starts to climb from late 60's. The graph of age vs accident is flat until then. So although I have sympathy for retesting you may want to raise your starting age. I'd rather retest everyone every 10 years regardless. Or immediately if they acquire 9 points.

There are more incidents at junctions by the over 50s than any age group, leaving it till 60 is far too late they need taking off the road before they do more damage.I would imagine half the road signs were not in use when they passed their tests so they havent a clue what most of them mean and they have no idea of speed or limits

Ok so you claim there are more accidents at junction by the over 50s age group. But that isn't an age group. It's certain to be true that there are more accidents at junctions by over 40s than by over 50s because the size of the population in that category is larger.
To be able to discern you need an age vs accident graph with age bands like 51 to 55, 56 to 60, 61 to 65 etc... You can find many graphs like this from safety organisations in many countries. They all show no significant increases in accidents until late 60s.

PokesdownMark wrote:

retry69 wrote:

PokesdownMark wrote:
Retry69, I believe the accident rate for drivers starts to climb from late 60's. The graph of age vs accident is flat until then. So although I have sympathy for retesting you may want to raise your starting age. I'd rather retest everyone every 10 years regardless. Or immediately if they acquire 9 points.

There are more incidents at junctions by the over 50s than any age group, leaving it till 60 is far too late they need taking off the road before they do more damage.I would imagine half the road signs were not in use when they passed their tests so they havent a clue what most of them mean and they have no idea of speed or limits

Ok so you claim there are more accidents at junction by the over 50s age group. But that isn't an age group. It's certain to be true that there are more accidents at junctions by over 40s than by over 50s because the size of the population in that category is larger.
To be able to discern you need an age vs accident graph with age bands like 51 to 55, 56 to 60, 61 to 65 etc... You can find many graphs like this from safety organisations in many countries. They all show no significant increases in accidents until late 60s.

Nah wrong on all accounts! I didnt claim there are more accidents at junctions by the over 50s.It is an age group probably the most important one 50 till death.You do not need graphs to understand my point just get out on the road more often and observe.Making compulsory re-tests for over 50s is an obvious step in road safety it need not mean a reduction in motorists as the over 50s may pass with flying colours but in my humble opinion i think not so either way the roads will be safer.Whats the problem?

Repairing the roads from many many potholes maybe the first place to start .......oh sorry no money for this, will be the answer.
Comments please from council?

Wallisdown wrote:
Well clearly this is going to be flop from the start, £12million quid buys you next to nothing from a road building perspective and clearly encouraging people to walk and cycle when it rains on average over 200 days a year is destined to fail. Plus I like many others liek my car and dont like sharing buses with chavs, smelly homeless people and badly kids!

The only thing that would releave traffic congestion in this area would be an eleveated mutli lane road (costing hundred of millions, so a no go) linking the towns up or an incredibly complex one-way system which would annoy the hell out people attempting short trips.

Probably better off spending the money on a new IMAX given this councils history of wasting taxpayers money!

Snob! Im ashamed to say I live in Wallisdown if such snobs like you exist!

If they want to revolutionise travel in the area start fixing the filter traffic lights that prevent cars from moving for no good reason. Extend the pathetic 200 yards cycle lanes that do nothing for cyclists, and get rid of bus lanes that serve no purpose other than to create traffic jams way before there start points and therefore the buses cant get out either! Lets put double yellow lines where they are needed and not just paint them for the sheer hell of it and stop charging people to park outside their own homes! Ban Tesco express from sticking stores on every available piece of land causing traffic mayhem in some places. Oh and get the likes of Fire FM to stop repeating the same traffic info everyday and reporting traffic jams where there are none and start reporting on the real problems! Rant over!