Council tax benefits slashed (From Bournemouth Echo)

Yep and the government are giving Hugh tax brakes to the wealthy. Some one has to pay for it!!!

'Pensioners (read, those most likely to vote Tory) will be protected.'

Good. Everyone should have to pay their share whether they're working or not.

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Yep and the government are giving Hugh tax brakes to the wealthy. Some one has to pay for it!!!

Which tax breaks are they then?

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Yep and the government are giving Hugh tax brakes to the wealthy. Some one has to pay for it!!!

Which tax breaks are they then?

There lots go look. The most underhand thing has been to reduce the staff at HMRC the tax office. Their snowed under with investigations which they will give up on thus giving the wealthy tax dodgers accounts no problems with their creative accounting.

Council tax should be assessed on ability to pay then the rich would pay the same proportionate rate as the leas well off then we could do away with council tax benefit altogether and save a fortune on admin work.

Hessenford wrote:
Council tax should be assessed on ability to pay then the rich would pay the same proportionate rate as the leas well off then we could do away with council tax benefit altogether and save a fortune on admin work.

Land value tax is the only way forward for us and its by far the fairest system. Extremely easy to set up and would reduce other taxes considerably across the board. The best bit is every one pays and you can't offshore your liability. it would give estate agents another job doing valuations too.

It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

BournemouthMum wrote:
Good. Everyone should have to pay their share whether they're working or not.

Unless they are a pensioner in which case they get everything handed to them on a plate at our expense

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Yep and the government are giving Hugh tax brakes to the wealthy. Some one has to pay for it!!!

Which tax breaks are they then?

There lots go look. The most underhand thing has been to reduce the staff at HMRC the tax office. Their snowed under with investigations which they will give up on thus giving the wealthy tax dodgers accounts no problems with their creative accounting.

If there's lot's it'll be easy to name a couple then. Go on.

(If you need to 'go look').

*lots

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

You had better hope that you don't live long enough to ever be a pensioner.

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Yep and the government are giving Hugh tax brakes to the wealthy. Some one has to pay for it!!!

Which tax breaks are they then?

There lots go look. The most underhand thing has been to reduce the staff at HMRC the tax office. Their snowed under with investigations which they will give up on thus giving the wealthy tax dodgers accounts no problems with their creative accounting.

If there's lot's it'll be easy to name a couple then. Go on.

(If you need to 'go look').

Gone very quiet.

Couldn't find any?

People keep spouting off tired old cliches but ask them a direct question and they are clueless.

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

scrumpyjack wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Yep and the government are giving Hugh tax brakes to the wealthy. Some one has to pay for it!!!

Which tax breaks are they then?

There lots go look. The most underhand thing has been to reduce the staff at HMRC the tax office. Their snowed under with investigations which they will give up on thus giving the wealthy tax dodgers accounts no problems with their creative accounting.

If there's lot's it'll be easy to name a couple then. Go on.

(If you need to 'go look').

Gone very quiet.

Couldn't find any?

People keep spouting off tired old cliches but ask them a direct question and they are clueless.

Didn't the tax rate for high earners go down from 50% to 45%? I might have imagined that. Wealthy people who retire can get a massive tax free lump sum from their pension scheme which was increase and Is supposed to cost the government £1.6 billion a year in lost tax.I suppose the cliches of death and taxes are still true today. Anyway I don't like Osbourne he looks a wrong un you know!!!

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Blimey the dailymail has got you big time. Everything you have said could be a regular headline.

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Blimey the dailymail has got you big time. Everything you have said could be a regular headline.

There you go again telling everybody you know best but when asked a simple question you conveniently appear not to see that.

Everybody now knows exactly what your little pieces of wisdom are worth, absolutely nothing.

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Blimey the dailymail has got you big time. Everything you have said could be a regular headline.

There you go again telling everybody you know best but when asked a simple question you conveniently appear not to see that.

Everybody now knows exactly what your little pieces of wisdom are worth, absolutely nothing.

If you look further up the comments you will see I did reply to you demands, may be you should get off you high horse you def should get down to spec savers. Maybe thats why you don't like the look of people when you see pictures of young people you can't see properly. Hope your not driving still...

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

I deal with a lot of 'pensioners' and they are not all 'either starving or freezing to death',

Welcome to the real world my friend a HUGE amount of them are living very comfortable lives thank you very much.

You know why? They didn't borrow they saved. They didn't buy it until they could afford it.

Simple but true.


The ones without money? Same as today peed it up against the wall, smoked it away whatever.

It has nothing to do with income, I have dealt with people who have earned not much more than 'minimum wage' and they saved and saved and went without and its amazing how much they put away.

Some have more money in retirement than they did when they were working because they kept on saving for their retirement.

I wonder if that will be true in years to come/ Well actually I don't it's a rhetorical question..

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Yep and the government are giving Hugh tax brakes to the wealthy. Some one has to pay for it!!!

Which tax breaks are they then?

There lots go look. The most underhand thing has been to reduce the staff at HMRC the tax office. Their snowed under with investigations which they will give up on thus giving the wealthy tax dodgers accounts no problems with their creative accounting.

If there's lot's it'll be easy to name a couple then. Go on.

(If you need to 'go look').

Gone very quiet.

Couldn't find any?

People keep spouting off tired old cliches but ask them a direct question and they are clueless.

Didn't the tax rate for high earners go down from 50% to 45%? I might have imagined that. Wealthy people who retire can get a massive tax free lump sum from their pension scheme which was increase and Is supposed to cost the government £1.6 billion a year in lost tax.I suppose the cliches of death and taxes are still true today. Anyway I don't like Osbourne he looks a wrong un you know!!!

Is that it?

The increase in the top rate was the first since 1988 and was an abject failure. It affected less than 1% of the population and therefore was not in fact generating any where near the revenue they were expecting and was in fact alienating a lot of people who already pay a LOT of tax and was quckly put away as a failed exercise.

As for your "wealthy people who retire" comment. Oh for goodness sake. ALL people who have a pension are entitled to a tax free lump sum when they commute the pot.

If that the best you can come up with.... .

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Blimey the dailymail has got you big time. Everything you have said could be a regular headline.

There you go again telling everybody you know best but when asked a simple question you conveniently appear not to see that.

Everybody now knows exactly what your little pieces of wisdom are worth, absolutely nothing.

If you look further up the comments you will see I did reply to you demands, may be you should get off you high horse you def should get down to spec savers. Maybe thats why you don't like the look of people when you see pictures of young people you can't see properly. Hope your not driving still...

Yet more cliches.

Just so you know I am 42.

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Yep and the government are giving Hugh tax brakes to the wealthy. Some one has to pay for it!!!

Which tax breaks are they then?

There lots go look. The most underhand thing has been to reduce the staff at HMRC the tax office. Their snowed under with investigations which they will give up on thus giving the wealthy tax dodgers accounts no problems with their creative accounting.

If there's lot's it'll be easy to name a couple then. Go on.

(If you need to 'go look').

Gone very quiet.

Couldn't find any?

People keep spouting off tired old cliches but ask them a direct question and they are clueless.

Didn't the tax rate for high earners go down from 50% to 45%? I might have imagined that. Wealthy people who retire can get a massive tax free lump sum from their pension scheme which was increase and Is supposed to cost the government £1.6 billion a year in lost tax.I suppose the cliches of death and taxes are still true today. Anyway I don't like Osbourne he looks a wrong un you know!!!

Is that it?

The increase in the top rate was the first since 1988 and was an abject failure. It affected less than 1% of the population and therefore was not in fact generating any where near the revenue they were expecting and was in fact alienating a lot of people who already pay a LOT of tax and was quckly put away as a failed exercise.

As for your "wealthy people who retire" comment. Oh for goodness sake. ALL people who have a pension are entitled to a tax free lump sum when they commute the pot.

If that the best you can come up with.... .

I am at work currently. Doing the things that made a difference for the older generation but clearly won't work out for my generation. Problem is I have never felt so robbed as I do now. Everyone I know feels the same but I will keep my nose to the grind. The truth is us younger lot and the real working people are being hit much harder than the older generation. I don't doubt they had it hard during the war (as Albert would say) but the current government are and have ruined the economy. The tax take us to low on the wealthy but that's what the Tories do. In 10 years time they will be history and unelectable. They can't even get inflation under control and are letting rich foreigners buy up London making houses more expensive pricing my children out of the UK. So keep up the good work when we leave you will only have Eastern European to serve you.

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Blimey the dailymail has got you big time. Everything you have said could be a regular headline.

There you go again telling everybody you know best but when asked a simple question you conveniently appear not to see that.

Everybody now knows exactly what your little pieces of wisdom are worth, absolutely nothing.

If you look further up the comments you will see I did reply to you demands, may be you should get off you high horse you def should get down to spec savers. Maybe thats why you don't like the look of people when you see pictures of young people you can't see properly. Hope your not driving still...

Yet more cliches.

Just so you know I am 42.

If your 42 then you sound like your much older. ;-)

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Blimey the dailymail has got you big time. Everything you have said could be a regular headline.

There you go again telling everybody you know best but when asked a simple question you conveniently appear not to see that.

Everybody now knows exactly what your little pieces of wisdom are worth, absolutely nothing.

If you look further up the comments you will see I did reply to you demands, may be you should get off you high horse you def should get down to spec savers. Maybe thats why you don't like the look of people when you see pictures of young people you can't see properly. Hope your not driving still...

Yet more cliches.

Just so you know I am 42.

If your 42 then you sound like your much older. ;-)

I'm sorry but that happens when you understand things.

I'm sure you're very nice and work very hard but please don't fall into the trap of waiving your fist and saying it's all the Governments fault.

I voted Labour for years and years and where did that get us?

Oh and just so you know, that most of the people who were around and were 'involved' during the war are now dead so don't assume all old people were there.They weren't, it ended nearly 68 years ago.

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Blimey the dailymail has got you big time. Everything you have said could be a regular headline.

Hate the daily mail, just look around you, the benefits bill is through the roof, is it pensioners doing this, of course not, it the scroungers who pump out children like there's no tomorrow, its the lazy layabouts who cant hold down a job or just not wanting to work, open your eyes and look around you or are you defending the younger scroungers because perhaps you are one.

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Blimey the dailymail has got you big time. Everything you have said could be a regular headline.

Hate the daily mail, just look around you, the benefits bill is through the roof, is it pensioners doing this, of course not, it the scroungers who pump out children like there's no tomorrow, its the lazy layabouts who cant hold down a job or just not wanting to work, open your eyes and look around you or are you defending the younger scroungers because perhaps you are one.

Just some numbers there are around 5 million 16 to 24 year olds in the uk, 20% are unemployed so 1 million. There are currently 3 million over 80 years on pensions add in the the 65 to 79 year olds I think that altogether is far more expensive than the 1 million young unemployed. The older gen have paid in so have done their bit, the difference is most younger people have not had the same chance to pay into the system. There will be those that don't want to work but that is a much smaller % of that age group. Most young people I know think that the over forties should pay an extra green tax for wasting all the fossil fuels especially gas to make electricity what a joke that is. Why should the younger generation pay they haven't used hardly any of it !!! If you get my point!!!

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Dr Strangelove wrote:

Hessenford wrote:

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
It's infuriating that pensioners should be exempted from this and all other benefit cuts for no reason apart from the fact that they are more likely to vote Tory. This means that the rest of us have to pay more and more to support their universal entitlements to bus passes, winter fuel allowance etc etc even though their generation are better of than any before or since

How do you work that one out when pensioners are either starving or freezing to death because that can only afford one or the other.
Universal entitlements are wrong I agree, why should the well off get bus passes and winter fuel allowances while others suffer.
Rather than have a go at the elderly you should be having a go at the skiving younger generation who produce kids all over the place and remain on benefits for the rest of their lives an receive much more money than pensioners.

The birth rate in the younger gen has gone down 16 to 25 year olds. The birth rate has gone up for the over 25 year olds. Its a dailymail myth that your quoting.

The benefits system is a way of life for todays younger generation, they see it as a way of life, a pensioner couple live on less than £200 per week compared to a couple with one child on thousands per year, plus my taxes are used to send their lovely off spring to some profiteering playschool while they sit at home smoking, drinking and watching their sky tv which I pay for, yep pensioners should be exempt from cuts.

Blimey the dailymail has got you big time. Everything you have said could be a regular headline.

Hate the daily mail, just look around you, the benefits bill is through the roof, is it pensioners doing this, of course not, it the scroungers who pump out children like there's no tomorrow, its the lazy layabouts who cant hold down a job or just not wanting to work, open your eyes and look around you or are you defending the younger scroungers because perhaps you are one.

Just some numbers there are around 5 million 16 to 24 year olds in the uk, 20% are unemployed so 1 million. There are currently 3 million over 80 years on pensions add in the the 65 to 79 year olds I think that altogether is far more expensive than the 1 million young unemployed. The older gen have paid in so have done their bit, the difference is most younger people have not had the same chance to pay into the system. There will be those that don't want to work but that is a much smaller % of that age group. Most young people I know think that the over forties should pay an extra green tax for wasting all the fossil fuels especially gas to make electricity what a joke that is. Why should the younger generation pay they haven't used hardly any of it !!! If you get my point!!!

£177 per week for a state pension couple plus a few other small benefits equates to around £10,000 per year at a conservative estimate.
Lazy young couple with two kids on benefits £26,000 per year plus other benefits, plus pensioners have a limited lifespan, these skiving baby factories of today's generation will be claiming for as many years as they possibly can because they are better off than working.
And of course pensioners are unable to work through age related health problems, the only problem with today's younger generationis that they cant unstick there a**e from the sofa.