Dorset Police precept proposed rise to fund more officers

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HOUSEHOLDS across Dorset could be asked to pay an extra seven pence a week towards Dorset Police’s share of the council tax in order to fund more officers.

The Police and Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill is proposing a 1.95 per cent rise in the policing precept for 2013/14.

In a report to the Police and Crime Panel, he says the increase will help fund measures that include the recruitment of another 12 police officers.

The policing precept is the part of the council tax which goes to pay for Dorset Police, and for 2013/14 it is proposed that this will be £183.51 for a Band D property – a rise of £3.51 on the current year.

Within the PCC’s manifesto there are a number of pledges to the public which require investment over the term of office. Some of these will be met through the redirection of existing resources, but some will result in additional cost.

The main areas of extra cost will be around the recruitment of another 12 police officers, increasing the number of Special Constables, the extension of mobile data and improving support to victims.

Police Officer recruitment in Dorset has been suspended since June 2010.

Although overall numbers are set to fall further as funding continues to decline, recruitment of new officers is important to bring in new blood and will allow for balance within the workforce.

It is intended that, subject to the precept decision, a new intake of 12 officers will be recruited in June 2013.

This will result in a net reduction of 38 officers, rather than the originally anticipated reduction of 50.

Martyn Underhill said “With the extension of the Governments Austerity cuts to 2018 Dorset Police could be faced with not having any Police Officers with less than 8 years service.

“The profile of the Force will become unbalanced and it will make the workforce unstable.
“There is a danger that we will begin to be unrepresentative of the community that we are policing and lose vital skills and leadership potential that new officers can bring”.

Mr Underhill said “The possibility of raising the precept has not been made lightly. This 1.95% option is the best balance between sustaining the Force and seeking to limit the impact on council tax payers”

“I want to ensure security in the home and safety in public places. We need to invest in our force to do this.

"On my visits to towns and villages across Dorset, I have been told repeatedly that people want a more visible force.

"My priority is to keep people in Dorset safe and feeling safe.

"I am asking people for an extra penny a day to sustain frontline policing, to help cut crime”

The proposed precept will be considered by the Police and Crime Panel on 7 February and, if approved, will come into force in April.

 

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8:21am Thu 31 Jan 13

Lord Spring says...

That is 2 pence over the top as the price for having your say is 5 pennys worth
That is 2 pence over the top as the price for having your say is 5 pennys worth Lord Spring
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8:26am Thu 31 Jan 13

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...

Someone call the police, this is daylight robbery!
Someone call the police, this is daylight robbery! Tom 'Boscombe' Jones
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8:33am Thu 31 Jan 13

Hessenford says...

Wont all the rip off driver awareness courses pay for this.
Wont all the rip off driver awareness courses pay for this. Hessenford
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8:37am Thu 31 Jan 13

djd says...

Pay a copper a day for a copper.
Pay a copper a day for a copper. djd
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8:43am Thu 31 Jan 13

jobsworthwatch says...

Would have thought it was obvious how to raise the extra cash.....just pursue the motorist with greater vigour!
Would have thought it was obvious how to raise the extra cash.....just pursue the motorist with greater vigour! jobsworthwatch
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9:00am Thu 31 Jan 13

Alumchiner says...

How much are the senior officers on ? several / tens + of them £ 100,000 plus for running a tin-pot part time country bumpkin Police force. Have a look at your own accounts before asking for more money.
How much are the senior officers on ? several / tens + of them £ 100,000 plus for running a tin-pot part time country bumpkin Police force. Have a look at your own accounts before asking for more money. Alumchiner
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9:22am Thu 31 Jan 13

jobsworthwatch says...

The latest guidelines are that police authorities should employ senior foreign police officers ie police authorities run along the same lines as a premiership football club!
The latest guidelines are that police authorities should employ senior foreign police officers ie police authorities run along the same lines as a premiership football club! jobsworthwatch
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9:34am Thu 31 Jan 13

rayc says...

"HOUSEHOLDS across Dorset could be asked to pay an extra seven pence a week towards Dorset Police’s share of the council tax in order to fund more officers."

I don't think so, they will be told and have no option. Why are Police Forces funded by an archaic system that depends on some nominal value of a property and takes no account of the number of adults in the household?
"HOUSEHOLDS across Dorset could be asked to pay an extra seven pence a week towards Dorset Police’s share of the council tax in order to fund more officers." I don't think so, they will be told and have no option. Why are Police Forces funded by an archaic system that depends on some nominal value of a property and takes no account of the number of adults in the household? rayc
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9:50am Thu 31 Jan 13

speedy231278 says...

Hang on a minute!! I thought the number of bobbies was being cut, and they were being substituted by "Plastic Can't Stop 'Owt"s and volunteer Special Constables? So why are we going to be asked to pay for more full time coppers?

Not that I object to more coppers, but it seems the plan on enforcement seems to change on a weekly basis!
Hang on a minute!! I thought the number of bobbies was being cut, and they were being substituted by "Plastic Can't Stop 'Owt"s and volunteer Special Constables? So why are we going to be asked to pay for more full time coppers? Not that I object to more coppers, but it seems the plan on enforcement seems to change on a weekly basis! speedy231278
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9:52am Thu 31 Jan 13

delta3 says...

What about this ................. We take the PCC salary and use that to fund more beat officers? If you then wanted a PCC why not make it a voluntary position for a part time role.
What about this ................. We take the PCC salary and use that to fund more beat officers? If you then wanted a PCC why not make it a voluntary position for a part time role. delta3
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9:52am Thu 31 Jan 13

speedy231278 says...

Double hang on a minute....!!

"a new intake of 12 officers will be recruited in June 2013.

This will result in a net reduction of 38 officers, rather than the originally anticipated reduction of 50."

Erm, if you reduce by 38, don't you then not have to recruit 12? Or is the plan to retire more senior bobbies and get new ones after they decided to slash the starting wage, therefore freeing up money to lavish on the unnecassary PCC instead?
Double hang on a minute....!! "a new intake of 12 officers will be recruited in June 2013. This will result in a net reduction of 38 officers, rather than the originally anticipated reduction of 50." Erm, if you reduce by 38, don't you then not have to recruit 12? Or is the plan to retire more senior bobbies and get new ones after they decided to slash the starting wage, therefore freeing up money to lavish on the unnecassary PCC instead? speedy231278
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10:11am Thu 31 Jan 13

rayc says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Hang on a minute!! I thought the number of bobbies was being cut, and they were being substituted by "Plastic Can't Stop 'Owt"s and volunteer Special Constables? So why are we going to be asked to pay for more full time coppers?

Not that I object to more coppers, but it seems the plan on enforcement seems to change on a weekly basis!
quote "Not that I object to more coppers, but it seems the plan on enforcement seems to change on a weekly basis!"
I agree that they really don't appear to have their act together and it is a shame that the Echo do not check back in their archives and then question the Police when they come out with the new strategy.

This is the same as their Traffic Officer numbers. In this paper in 2011 they announced they were cutting their Traffic Officers by a third, from 54 to 36. Dorset Police said "fatal and serious injury accidents fell to an all-time low of 346 in 2010. And the number of people who lost their lives on the county’s roads dropped from 21 in 2009 to 10 in 2010." Chief Superintendent Martin Hiles said: “The demand isn’t at the same level as it was a few years ago. Operation No Excuse and the awareness of it is now really huge.” Chief Supt Hiles now wants the former traffic officers to spread the word about the ‘fatal four’ – speeding, drink or drug driving, using mobile phones and not wearing seat belts – to other uniform officers in the county. He added: “I don’t think the fact an officer comes under the traffic department is the deciding factor, I think it’s how much all officers put into road policing.”

A few weeks ago in this newspaper they did a u turn and said that the high number of fatal collisions in 2012 was due to the reduction in numbers. Did Dorset Police make a mistake in cutting Traffic Officer numbers in 2011 in response to a random low fatality rate for 2010?
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Hang on a minute!! I thought the number of bobbies was being cut, and they were being substituted by "Plastic Can't Stop 'Owt"s and volunteer Special Constables? So why are we going to be asked to pay for more full time coppers? Not that I object to more coppers, but it seems the plan on enforcement seems to change on a weekly basis![/p][/quote]quote "Not that I object to more coppers, but it seems the plan on enforcement seems to change on a weekly basis!" I agree that they really don't appear to have their act together and it is a shame that the Echo do not check back in their archives and then question the Police when they come out with the new strategy. This is the same as their Traffic Officer numbers. In this paper in 2011 they announced they were cutting their Traffic Officers by a third, from 54 to 36. Dorset Police said "fatal and serious injury accidents fell to an all-time low of 346 in 2010. And the number of people who lost their lives on the county’s roads dropped from 21 in 2009 to 10 in 2010." Chief Superintendent Martin Hiles said: “The demand isn’t at the same level as it was a few years ago. Operation No Excuse and the awareness of it is now really huge.” Chief Supt Hiles now wants the former traffic officers to spread the word about the ‘fatal four’ – speeding, drink or drug driving, using mobile phones and not wearing seat belts – to other uniform officers in the county. He added: “I don’t think the fact an officer comes under the traffic department is the deciding factor, I think it’s how much all officers put into road policing.” A few weeks ago in this newspaper they did a u turn and said that the high number of fatal collisions in 2012 was due to the reduction in numbers. Did Dorset Police make a mistake in cutting Traffic Officer numbers in 2011 in response to a random low fatality rate for 2010? rayc
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10:33am Thu 31 Jan 13

Lord Spring says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
The latest guidelines are that police authorities should employ senior foreign police officers ie police authorities run along the same lines as a premiership football club!
We will all have to learn Spanish,French , even Scottish and Cockney
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The latest guidelines are that police authorities should employ senior foreign police officers ie police authorities run along the same lines as a premiership football club![/p][/quote]We will all have to learn Spanish,French , even Scottish and Cockney Lord Spring
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11:03am Thu 31 Jan 13

muscliffman says...

It is fairly obvious to most where vast savings could be made, without need for extra funding.

A private sector undertaking would right now be urgently reviewing the number of senior posts, their fat-cat salaries, whilst in the general but more productive front-line work force reconsidering the unusually generous pensions and very youthful retirement deals.

And I think there is a pretty solid consensus about what to do with the expensive PCC post!
It is fairly obvious to most where vast savings could be made, without need for extra funding. A private sector undertaking would right now be urgently reviewing the number of senior posts, their fat-cat salaries, whilst in the general but more productive front-line work force reconsidering the unusually generous pensions and very youthful retirement deals. And I think there is a pretty solid consensus about what to do with the expensive PCC post! muscliffman
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12:20pm Thu 31 Jan 13

phonehome says...

Lord Spring wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The latest guidelines are that police authorities should employ senior foreign police officers ie police authorities run along the same lines as a premiership football club!
We will all have to learn Spanish,French , even Scottish and Cockney
Don't forget Welsh!
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The latest guidelines are that police authorities should employ senior foreign police officers ie police authorities run along the same lines as a premiership football club![/p][/quote]We will all have to learn Spanish,French , even Scottish and Cockney[/p][/quote]Don't forget Welsh! phonehome
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1:49pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Teddy 1 says...

Mixed messages...
Mixed messages... Teddy 1
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2:12pm Thu 31 Jan 13

abidah says...

If the police were to pay people they use as slave labour such as Muslims and stop abuseing them despite their help there might be a few people who would agree with the extra pennies weekly. As it is the increase will happen no matter what the public say in this ridiculous police state.
If the police were to pay people they use as slave labour such as Muslims and stop abuseing them despite their help there might be a few people who would agree with the extra pennies weekly. As it is the increase will happen no matter what the public say in this ridiculous police state. abidah
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2:42pm Thu 31 Jan 13

rayc says...

abidah wrote:
If the police were to pay people they use as slave labour such as Muslims and stop abuseing them despite their help there might be a few people who would agree with the extra pennies weekly. As it is the increase will happen no matter what the public say in this ridiculous police state.
Not wishing to get into an argument but if you believe the UK is a Police state I suggest you visit a few Muslim ones, such as Saudi Arabia. I think you will then find out what a police State is really like. A white identity card for a Muslim a brown one for non-Muslims. Non Muslims banned from even entering the cities of Medinah and Mecca.
[quote][p][bold]abidah[/bold] wrote: If the police were to pay people they use as slave labour such as Muslims and stop abuseing them despite their help there might be a few people who would agree with the extra pennies weekly. As it is the increase will happen no matter what the public say in this ridiculous police state.[/p][/quote]Not wishing to get into an argument but if you believe the UK is a Police state I suggest you visit a few Muslim ones, such as Saudi Arabia. I think you will then find out what a police State is really like. A white identity card for a Muslim a brown one for non-Muslims. Non Muslims banned from even entering the cities of Medinah and Mecca. rayc
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3:29pm Thu 31 Jan 13

muscliffman says...

abidah wrote:
If the police were to pay people they use as slave labour such as Muslims and stop abuseing them despite their help there might be a few people who would agree with the extra pennies weekly. As it is the increase will happen no matter what the public say in this ridiculous police state.
What?
[quote][p][bold]abidah[/bold] wrote: If the police were to pay people they use as slave labour such as Muslims and stop abuseing them despite their help there might be a few people who would agree with the extra pennies weekly. As it is the increase will happen no matter what the public say in this ridiculous police state.[/p][/quote]What? muscliffman
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5:31pm Thu 31 Jan 13

street warrior says...

1.95% increase is that to cover the 10% pay rise for the new chief constable?? When "shes" appointed
More police on the streets! Just look at the restaurant at the bmth hospital at breakfast time I counted 6 armed officers and on sgt there on 28012013, so much for more officers on the street
1.95% increase is that to cover the 10% pay rise for the new chief constable?? When "shes" appointed More police on the streets! Just look at the restaurant at the bmth hospital at breakfast time I counted 6 armed officers and on sgt there on 28012013, so much for more officers on the street street warrior
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5:34pm Thu 31 Jan 13

street warrior says...

Recruit more Specials! The first thing they will want to do is jump in a car, no police officer is interested in walking the beat any more, apart from PCSO's
"Why do police officers have to patrol in pairs when mobile or whne on foot, when PCSO's with no protection are expected to patrol on their own?" Dont make sense
Recruit more Specials! The first thing they will want to do is jump in a car, no police officer is interested in walking the beat any more, apart from PCSO's "Why do police officers have to patrol in pairs when mobile or whne on foot, when PCSO's with no protection are expected to patrol on their own?" Dont make sense street warrior
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5:42pm Thu 31 Jan 13

street warrior says...

Quote From PCC "My priority is to keep people in Dorset safe and feeling safe.

"I am asking people for an extra penny a day to sustain frontline policing, to help cut crime”

Obviously thinks he's in a batman episode, You could have another 50 or 100 police officers and you wont reduce crime, this is mainly to the fact officers dont like walking the beat anymore, they are repoce officer, they are just firefighting crime, respond to one job then back to the police station, what needs to happen is to look at a lot of officers who are in the back offices doing a role they shouldn't be doing, drag them back out on the streets one way of bumping up the numbers
Quote From PCC "My priority is to keep people in Dorset safe and feeling safe. "I am asking people for an extra penny a day to sustain frontline policing, to help cut crime” Obviously thinks he's in a batman episode, You could have another 50 or 100 police officers and you wont reduce crime, this is mainly to the fact officers dont like walking the beat anymore, they are repoce officer, they are just firefighting crime, respond to one job then back to the police station, what needs to happen is to look at a lot of officers who are in the back offices doing a role they shouldn't be doing, drag them back out on the streets one way of bumping up the numbers street warrior
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5:47pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Clunge says...

So street warrior, is it the fact Police officers are actually entitled to eat during a shift, or that they are eating in public that annoys you?

Criminals clearly walk everywhere don't they?!!
So street warrior, is it the fact Police officers are actually entitled to eat during a shift, or that they are eating in public that annoys you? Criminals clearly walk everywhere don't they?!! Clunge
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