Bliss and Chilli White closures 'not a surprise'

Bournemouth Echo: Bliss and Chilli White bars close in Bournemouth Bliss and Chilli White bars close in Bournemouth

TWO Bournemouth nightspots have closed their doors without warning.

Bliss and Chilli White in St Peter’s Road, Bournemouth are “temporarily closed,” according to their websites.

On Bliss’s Facebook page, a message simply states: “Due to circumstances beyond our control, Bliss will not be open tonight.” And on social networking site Twitter, a message said: “Due to unforeseen circumstances we are not open tonight, we’ll keep you updated with what’s going on as and when we know.”

Customers who had booked tables at Bliss for this weekend have also had their bookings cancelled.

Both venues are part of the Yellowhammer Bars estate, which is run by Volante Management.

Last year the company reported disappointing financial results and sold off a number of venues. And subsidiary Company Time, which operated around 20 venues, including Bliss in Bournemouth, was placed into administration this time last year.

The company said last year: “Reduced consumer spending has continued to hit the sector hard and we report an 18 per cent decline in year-on-year same-outlet sales.”

In the lack of any official explanation, disappointed clubbers have been posting messages on social networking site Twitter.

One tweet said the news had “thrown the whole of Bournemouth Uni into a frenzy” while another said: “I need confirmation of the potential closure of arguably the best night out in Bournemouth – Bliss Tuesdays, anyone?!”

Bournemouth’s night-time economy co-ordinator Jon Shipp, inset, said: “This comes as a surprise. I’m hoping that whatever issues there may be will be fully resolved. The premises are key participants in a lot of our initiatives to improve standards in Bournemouth’s night-time economy and hopefully they still will be.”

But Bournemouth cabinet member Cllr Dave Smith, whose portfolio includes the night-time economy, said he “wasn’t the least bit surprised.”

“This is a very difficult business to be in these days,” he said.

“Pre-loading is a big issue and it remains to be seen whether the minimum alcohol pricing strategy will have any effect on that.

“People are spending less when they’re out and bars and clubs are staying open longer, which increases their costs.

“If these venues do not reopen, maybe there will be an opportunity to move away from the noisy vertical drinking establishments and have a different sort of night-time economy in Bournemouth.”

Attempts to speak to someone at Yellowhammer Bars were unsuccessful.

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10:02am Wed 23 Jan 13

Couchy125 says...

I can't say I'm shocked at this story. I work most nights in the economy. And the decline is staggering. To be honest.
I can't say I'm shocked at this story. I work most nights in the economy. And the decline is staggering. To be honest. Couchy125
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10:04am Wed 23 Jan 13

Azphreal says...

With so many bars and clubs i am surprised more have not closed.
With so many bars and clubs i am surprised more have not closed. Azphreal
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10:06am Wed 23 Jan 13

Couchy125 says...

The place everybody is going at the moment is vodka revaluation. I will give them 2 years.
The place everybody is going at the moment is vodka revaluation. I will give them 2 years. Couchy125
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10:19am Wed 23 Jan 13

Redgolfer says...

About the time scale of most clubs that are the ''IN'' place at the moment, plus you cannot get a Taxi after 22.00hrs outside of both venue's in the countries top 10 violent road, thanks to Cllr Filler.
About the time scale of most clubs that are the ''IN'' place at the moment, plus you cannot get a Taxi after 22.00hrs outside of both venue's in the countries top 10 violent road, thanks to Cllr Filler. Redgolfer
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10:23am Wed 23 Jan 13

Tripod says...

What do they expect!
Bournemouth has become a night-time no-go zone for the majority, if you arn't on a pub-crawl, stag or hen night or just out to get drunk, you go elswhere.
What do they expect! Bournemouth has become a night-time no-go zone for the majority, if you arn't on a pub-crawl, stag or hen night or just out to get drunk, you go elswhere. Tripod
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10:23am Wed 23 Jan 13

cherrydave says...

• many a night out i've spent queuing to get in bournemouth bars with cash in my pocket and every intention of spending it on drinks
• whilst waiting, various people have constantly queue jumped after having a word with the door staff who have no intention of spending a penny once inside
• after waiting a while I’ll generally give up and try somewhere else
• who would have thought a bar that takes little income by filling it with cherry picked clientele would not make any money?
• many a night out i've spent queuing to get in bournemouth bars with cash in my pocket and every intention of spending it on drinks • whilst waiting, various people have constantly queue jumped after having a word with the door staff who have no intention of spending a penny once inside • after waiting a while I’ll generally give up and try somewhere else • who would have thought a bar that takes little income by filling it with cherry picked clientele would not make any money? cherrydave
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10:54am Wed 23 Jan 13

aerolover says...

Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting. aerolover
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11:05am Wed 23 Jan 13

BIGTONE says...

Too expensive. Reality check.
Too expensive. Reality check. BIGTONE
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11:07am Wed 23 Jan 13

l'anglais says...

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
[quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy. l'anglais
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11:10am Wed 23 Jan 13

speedy231278 says...

Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else!
Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else! speedy231278
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11:17am Wed 23 Jan 13

tricky1007 says...

We went out to a lovey restaurant on Sat Called cristalla, Betweeen 3 of us we spent £200, I would never want to spend that sort of money in the town center because the bars are full of drunken idiots on either a stag/hen do, or the average age is 18! People do still have a few pennies to spend but they choose where to spend it. People with £5 in their pocket go to the bars in town, with drinks at a £1, those with £50 in their pockets spend it elsewhere!!
We went out to a lovey restaurant on Sat Called cristalla, Betweeen 3 of us we spent £200, I would never want to spend that sort of money in the town center because the bars are full of drunken idiots on either a stag/hen do, or the average age is 18! People do still have a few pennies to spend but they choose where to spend it. People with £5 in their pocket go to the bars in town, with drinks at a £1, those with £50 in their pockets spend it elsewhere!! tricky1007
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11:19am Wed 23 Jan 13

nobbythesheep says...

I remember thinking £2.20 for a pint at the opera house was a rip off. Now they are charging around £4 a pint!! What did they think would happen? Bournemouth is a shadow of the place I used to go out in, almost a ghost town in some areas
I remember thinking £2.20 for a pint at the opera house was a rip off. Now they are charging around £4 a pint!! What did they think would happen? Bournemouth is a shadow of the place I used to go out in, almost a ghost town in some areas nobbythesheep
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11:19am Wed 23 Jan 13

Ivan Opinion says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else!
clearly not - they will go elsewhere
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else![/p][/quote]clearly not - they will go elsewhere Ivan Opinion
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11:20am Wed 23 Jan 13

BmthNewshound says...

Not really surprised with this news. The bars are aimed at students and younger people who don't have much money and are struggling to make ends meet with high property rents, student loans etc.
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The safety side is also an issue. I know younger people who now socialise in Winton, Westbourne, Ashley Cross etc because the town centre isn’t safe.
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The situation isn't helped by geriatric councillors love/hate relationship with the night-time economy. St Peters Road is looking very run down but rather than encouraging investment in regeneration in established areas like St Peters Road, Old Christchurch Road, Holdenhurst Road etc, they are encouraging development on the towns car parks. If these developments go ahead they will simply shift the night time economy to a different area and exasperate the decline and decay in St Peters Road etc.
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Bournemouth’s daytime town centre economy is in terminal decline and the night-time economy is going the same way. As long as the people of Bournemouth are stupid enough to keep voting for Beesley, Filler and co the situation will only get worse. Bournemouth Council needs to take a long hard look at what is happening to the town, stop living in cloud cuckoo land and start to take responsibility before its too late.
Not really surprised with this news. The bars are aimed at students and younger people who don't have much money and are struggling to make ends meet with high property rents, student loans etc. . The safety side is also an issue. I know younger people who now socialise in Winton, Westbourne, Ashley Cross etc because the town centre isn’t safe. . The situation isn't helped by geriatric councillors love/hate relationship with the night-time economy. St Peters Road is looking very run down but rather than encouraging investment in regeneration in established areas like St Peters Road, Old Christchurch Road, Holdenhurst Road etc, they are encouraging development on the towns car parks. If these developments go ahead they will simply shift the night time economy to a different area and exasperate the decline and decay in St Peters Road etc. . Bournemouth’s daytime town centre economy is in terminal decline and the night-time economy is going the same way. As long as the people of Bournemouth are stupid enough to keep voting for Beesley, Filler and co the situation will only get worse. Bournemouth Council needs to take a long hard look at what is happening to the town, stop living in cloud cuckoo land and start to take responsibility before its too late. BmthNewshound
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12:17pm Wed 23 Jan 13

ol'bag lady says...

l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
Saucy git! - are you for real?
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]Saucy git! - are you for real? ol'bag lady
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12:19pm Wed 23 Jan 13

BarrHumbug says...

Have they not cottoned on yet that their target audience, those that the other commenter said jump the queues and when their in don't buy anything, all get drunk at home before they go out on a cheap bottles of plonk from Tesco's.
Have they not cottoned on yet that their target audience, those that the other commenter said jump the queues and when their in don't buy anything, all get drunk at home before they go out on a cheap bottles of plonk from Tesco's. BarrHumbug
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12:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Redgolfer says...

l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
WHY should I DO as the above poster suggests, still working hard with 6 years mortgage to pay, if people want money then WORK for it, like we all have too.
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]WHY should I DO as the above poster suggests, still working hard with 6 years mortgage to pay, if people want money then WORK for it, like we all have too. Redgolfer
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12:58pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bbird says...

Have the money (well enough for an occasional meal out!!), but nowhere to go! Touristy food in town, and Thursday to Sunday evenings are no go. If we must have a chain, at least a JAMIES please. And clean up the town centre.
Have the money (well enough for an occasional meal out!!), but nowhere to go! Touristy food in town, and Thursday to Sunday evenings are no go. If we must have a chain, at least a JAMIES please. And clean up the town centre. bbird
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1:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Ivan Opinion says...

Please dont forget in all your comments that peoples jobs are at stake here... And with all due respect - remove the nighttime economy from Bournemouth and its game over -- a tough pill to swallow perhaps- but it is also true..
Please dont forget in all your comments that peoples jobs are at stake here... And with all due respect - remove the nighttime economy from Bournemouth and its game over -- a tough pill to swallow perhaps- but it is also true.. Ivan Opinion
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1:13pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bosco1 says...

ol'bag lady wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
Saucy git! - are you for real?
Im nearing 60 and why should I give all that iv Worked and earnt away to KIds to P*ss up the wall.!!Im not and old foggie enjoy life and I decide what to do with my cash.Thank you !!
[quote][p][bold]ol'bag lady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]Saucy git! - are you for real?[/p][/quote]Im nearing 60 and why should I give all that iv Worked and earnt away to KIds to P*ss up the wall.!!Im not and old foggie enjoy life and I decide what to do with my cash.Thank you !! bosco1
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1:15pm Wed 23 Jan 13

corngoat says...

l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
What planet are you on? Reasing equity in property envolves taking out a loan or moving house - why should they have to do either?
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]What planet are you on? Reasing equity in property envolves taking out a loan or moving house - why should they have to do either? corngoat
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1:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13

MissBournemouth says...

Not all of us young people get drunk and get into fights, the majority of us don't it’s the minority that do spoil it so please don’t tar us all with the same brush. Im sure when you were 18-21 you were out as and when you could with your friends enjoying a night out and yes sometimes it can be noisy but give us a break we are just enjoying ourselves and making the most of our youth before we have to settle down and get in the real world.
Not all of us young people get drunk and get into fights, the majority of us don't it’s the minority that do spoil it so please don’t tar us all with the same brush. Im sure when you were 18-21 you were out as and when you could with your friends enjoying a night out and yes sometimes it can be noisy but give us a break we are just enjoying ourselves and making the most of our youth before we have to settle down and get in the real world. MissBournemouth
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1:35pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Bournefre says...

The last time I went into Toko it was about £5 a pint. I had one and left because everyone in there was falling about drunk.
So much for increasing the price reducing the drunkenness.
The last time I went into Toko it was about £5 a pint. I had one and left because everyone in there was falling about drunk. So much for increasing the price reducing the drunkenness. Bournefre
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1:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13

wonderway says...

bet the real reason for closure was richard carr's consultancies fees being transfered to off shore accounts lol
bet the real reason for closure was richard carr's consultancies fees being transfered to off shore accounts lol wonderway
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1:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Arthur Maureen says...

Bournemouth at night is rubbish, avoid at all costs.
Bournemouth at night is rubbish, avoid at all costs. Arthur Maureen
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1:51pm Wed 23 Jan 13

H2o-hara says...

I expect it's a result of there perhaps being too many clubs in Bournemouth that customers are spoiled for choice on where to go . Shops have the same problem as well as pubs and clubs .
I expect it's a result of there perhaps being too many clubs in Bournemouth that customers are spoiled for choice on where to go . Shops have the same problem as well as pubs and clubs . H2o-hara
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1:52pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bbird says...

When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us. bbird
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2:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Clubber5206 says...

Not all clubs and bars are struggling. I could name half a dozen who are doing much higher numbers than the last few years (I won't name them, but they're the ones still open...). The key is entertainment, people no longer want £1 drinks or the problems that £1 drinks bring, they just want a good and safe night out. Look back at Bliss and Chilli Whites last few months - what entertainment have they had, other than music playing? Literally nothing, so people have just gone elsewhere. There's not less people out, they're just in higher class establishments.
Not all clubs and bars are struggling. I could name half a dozen who are doing much higher numbers than the last few years (I won't name them, but they're the ones still open...). The key is entertainment, people no longer want £1 drinks or the problems that £1 drinks bring, they just want a good and safe night out. Look back at Bliss and Chilli Whites last few months - what entertainment have they had, other than music playing? Literally nothing, so people have just gone elsewhere. There's not less people out, they're just in higher class establishments. Clubber5206
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2:18pm Wed 23 Jan 13

rozmister says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else!
Students don't go out on the weekends because they can't afford the drinks prices and their schedule means they can go out any night of the week. Students go out on weekday nights (with the exception of events at the Firestation - the SU club) and this is reflected by the fact there's no student nights with discounted drinks on the weekend!

It's local young people who are 'tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else'. People who work Monday - Friday and then let off all their steam on the weekend by wasting their money on ridiculous amounts of booze and finish the night off with a scrap in the street!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else![/p][/quote]Students don't go out on the weekends because they can't afford the drinks prices and their schedule means they can go out any night of the week. Students go out on weekday nights (with the exception of events at the Firestation - the SU club) and this is reflected by the fact there's no student nights with discounted drinks on the weekend! It's local young people who are 'tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else'. People who work Monday - Friday and then let off all their steam on the weekend by wasting their money on ridiculous amounts of booze and finish the night off with a scrap in the street! rozmister
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2:25pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Clubber5206 says...

rozmister wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else!
Students don't go out on the weekends because they can't afford the drinks prices and their schedule means they can go out any night of the week. Students go out on weekday nights (with the exception of events at the Firestation - the SU club) and this is reflected by the fact there's no student nights with discounted drinks on the weekend!

It's local young people who are 'tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else'. People who work Monday - Friday and then let off all their steam on the weekend by wasting their money on ridiculous amounts of booze and finish the night off with a scrap in the street!
I think the majority of trouble on the streets is caused by out of towners, who take advantage of cheap hotels offseason to have a messy weekend away. The problem is there are so many hotels in town, to cope with summer tourism, that it is dirt cheap offseason to drive down from Reading or London and spend the weekend getting into a state.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else![/p][/quote]Students don't go out on the weekends because they can't afford the drinks prices and their schedule means they can go out any night of the week. Students go out on weekday nights (with the exception of events at the Firestation - the SU club) and this is reflected by the fact there's no student nights with discounted drinks on the weekend! It's local young people who are 'tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else'. People who work Monday - Friday and then let off all their steam on the weekend by wasting their money on ridiculous amounts of booze and finish the night off with a scrap in the street![/p][/quote]I think the majority of trouble on the streets is caused by out of towners, who take advantage of cheap hotels offseason to have a messy weekend away. The problem is there are so many hotels in town, to cope with summer tourism, that it is dirt cheap offseason to drive down from Reading or London and spend the weekend getting into a state. Clubber5206
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2:30pm Wed 23 Jan 13

mikeba says...

MissBournemouth wrote:
Not all of us young people get drunk and get into fights, the majority of us don't it’s the minority that do spoil it so please don’t tar us all with the same brush. Im sure when you were 18-21 you were out as and when you could with your friends enjoying a night out and yes sometimes it can be noisy but give us a break we are just enjoying ourselves and making the most of our youth before we have to settle down and get in the real world.
Yes Miss Bournemouth .. you are absolutely correct ... the MINORITY spoil everything for everyone. In my 60`s .. have always enjoyed a good night out without the need to get "blotto" ... merry is good enough. Now even that is spoiled by the MINORITY being the cause of the government looking to increase the price of alcohol to stop binge drinking. Wonderful ... then you and I (the MAJORITY) .. will again be suffering at the hands of the MINORITY. Please enjoy your next night out!!!
[quote][p][bold]MissBournemouth[/bold] wrote: Not all of us young people get drunk and get into fights, the majority of us don't it’s the minority that do spoil it so please don’t tar us all with the same brush. Im sure when you were 18-21 you were out as and when you could with your friends enjoying a night out and yes sometimes it can be noisy but give us a break we are just enjoying ourselves and making the most of our youth before we have to settle down and get in the real world.[/p][/quote]Yes Miss Bournemouth .. you are absolutely correct ... the MINORITY spoil everything for everyone. In my 60`s .. have always enjoyed a good night out without the need to get "blotto" ... merry is good enough. Now even that is spoiled by the MINORITY being the cause of the government looking to increase the price of alcohol to stop binge drinking. Wonderful ... then you and I (the MAJORITY) .. will again be suffering at the hands of the MINORITY. Please enjoy your next night out!!! mikeba
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2:32pm Wed 23 Jan 13

spooki says...

I went in a couple of clubs in my early twenties with some friends and was so staggered by the 'youngsters' in there, we felt old! I personally would rather spend the evening talking and listening to my friends not trying to shout over the music. Shame for the staff though, and the regulars.
I went in a couple of clubs in my early twenties with some friends and was so staggered by the 'youngsters' in there, we felt old! I personally would rather spend the evening talking and listening to my friends not trying to shout over the music. Shame for the staff though, and the regulars. spooki
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2:46pm Wed 23 Jan 13

rozmister says...

Clubber5206 wrote:
rozmister wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else!
Students don't go out on the weekends because they can't afford the drinks prices and their schedule means they can go out any night of the week. Students go out on weekday nights (with the exception of events at the Firestation - the SU club) and this is reflected by the fact there's no student nights with discounted drinks on the weekend!

It's local young people who are 'tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else'. People who work Monday - Friday and then let off all their steam on the weekend by wasting their money on ridiculous amounts of booze and finish the night off with a scrap in the street!
I think the majority of trouble on the streets is caused by out of towners, who take advantage of cheap hotels offseason to have a messy weekend away. The problem is there are so many hotels in town, to cope with summer tourism, that it is dirt cheap offseason to drive down from Reading or London and spend the weekend getting into a state.
I could well believe that - I don't go out a lot in Bournemouth anymore (although I am the right age to be the target audience for nightclubs) but when I do I meet SO many people on hen or stag dos!

I suppose in some ways Bournemouth is the Southern equivalent to Blackpool although I'm not sure the locals would be happy about that.
[quote][p][bold]Clubber5206[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else![/p][/quote]Students don't go out on the weekends because they can't afford the drinks prices and their schedule means they can go out any night of the week. Students go out on weekday nights (with the exception of events at the Firestation - the SU club) and this is reflected by the fact there's no student nights with discounted drinks on the weekend! It's local young people who are 'tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else'. People who work Monday - Friday and then let off all their steam on the weekend by wasting their money on ridiculous amounts of booze and finish the night off with a scrap in the street![/p][/quote]I think the majority of trouble on the streets is caused by out of towners, who take advantage of cheap hotels offseason to have a messy weekend away. The problem is there are so many hotels in town, to cope with summer tourism, that it is dirt cheap offseason to drive down from Reading or London and spend the weekend getting into a state.[/p][/quote]I could well believe that - I don't go out a lot in Bournemouth anymore (although I am the right age to be the target audience for nightclubs) but when I do I meet SO many people on hen or stag dos! I suppose in some ways Bournemouth is the Southern equivalent to Blackpool although I'm not sure the locals would be happy about that. rozmister
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2:54pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Old Colonial says...

"........closed without warning, sparking fears they may be in financial trouble."

Yes, the population of Bournemouth is quaking in it's boots!
"........closed without warning, sparking fears they may be in financial trouble." Yes, the population of Bournemouth is quaking in it's boots! Old Colonial
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3:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13

super_soup says...

The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true.

There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers!

There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba).

Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night.

Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised!
The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true. There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers! There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba). Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night. Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised! super_soup
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3:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

HRH of Boscombe says...

Chilli White deserve to close for ripping off China White.
Chilli White deserve to close for ripping off China White. HRH of Boscombe
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3:30pm Wed 23 Jan 13

PokesdownMark says...

super_soup wrote:
The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true.

There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers!

There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba).

Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night.

Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised!
Very much my thoughts. Also the 'berbs like Westbourne and Charminster are upcoming and must be making a dent in the run of the mill, town centre laggards.
[quote][p][bold]super_soup[/bold] wrote: The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true. There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers! There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba). Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night. Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised![/p][/quote]Very much my thoughts. Also the 'berbs like Westbourne and Charminster are upcoming and must be making a dent in the run of the mill, town centre laggards. PokesdownMark
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3:34pm Wed 23 Jan 13

PokesdownMark says...

l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
Ah but latent value tied up in property is not cash. It is scarcity.
If you try to monetize it bad things happen. You'll remember the credit crunch which was triggered by attempts to monetize the inflated, unreal value of housing in the US?
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]Ah but latent value tied up in property is not cash. It is scarcity. If you try to monetize it bad things happen. You'll remember the credit crunch which was triggered by attempts to monetize the inflated, unreal value of housing in the US? PokesdownMark
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3:57pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Bournefre says...

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan? Bournefre
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4:12pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bbird says...

super_soup wrote:
The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true.

There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers!

There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba).

Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night.

Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised!
Just checked one of the suggested restaurant's websites....... "We cater for hen & stag nights, birthdays, romantic couples, leaving-do celebrations, private parties, students... in fact for any occasion!!!"
And checking then other out on Trip Advisor "There was a 4 piece jazz band playing but the music was very loud and obtrusive" & another "I booked for a hen do party do of 16"

NO THANK YOU. (And with many menus stuck in the dark ages ... Prawn cocktail, parma ham & melon etc. And Italian restaurants not even owned or run by Italians with food masquerading as Italian....Jamie is different he's an honorary one)
[quote][p][bold]super_soup[/bold] wrote: The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true. There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers! There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba). Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night. Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised![/p][/quote]Just checked one of the suggested restaurant's websites....... "We cater for hen & stag nights, birthdays, romantic couples, leaving-do celebrations, private parties, students... in fact for any occasion!!!" And checking then other out on Trip Advisor "There was a 4 piece jazz band playing but the music was very loud and obtrusive" & another "I booked for a hen do party do of 16" NO THANK YOU. (And with many menus stuck in the dark ages ... Prawn cocktail, parma ham & melon etc. And Italian restaurants not even owned or run by Italians with food masquerading as Italian....Jamie is different he's an honorary one) bbird
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4:23pm Wed 23 Jan 13

super_soup says...

bbird says...
"...Jamie is different he's an honorary one"

Please don't tell me you think that Jamie Oliver provides authentic Italian food at his restaurants....
bbird says... "...Jamie is different he's an honorary one" Please don't tell me you think that Jamie Oliver provides authentic Italian food at his restaurants.... super_soup
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4:24pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Buddles says...

super_soup wrote:
The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true.

There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers!

There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba).

Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night.

Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised!
There maybe nice(r) places to go to but the horrible bit is trying to get home and you still unwittingly get caught by the vomiting brigade, males and females either fighting or giving public performances of the Kama Sutra and swivel-eyed idiots who dearly want to send you to A&E because they think that you have "looked at them a bit funny, like"!!
[quote][p][bold]super_soup[/bold] wrote: The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true. There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers! There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba). Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night. Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised![/p][/quote]There maybe nice(r) places to go to but the horrible bit is trying to get home and you still unwittingly get caught by the vomiting brigade, males and females either fighting or giving public performances of the Kama Sutra and swivel-eyed idiots who dearly want to send you to A&E because they think that you have "looked at them a bit funny, like"!! Buddles
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4:25pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bbird says...

Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?[/p][/quote]Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress. bbird
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4:26pm Wed 23 Jan 13

High Treason says...

Never go near the place in the evenings and rarely during the day. Much better shopping and evening atmosphere elsewhere.
Look at the violence reported in the Echo whereas in the 60's/70's I could walk from the town centre at midnight (no buses) and never see any aggro with rarely a drunk in sight. But then if you were drunk in public it was a 10 shilling fine regardless. Now its a lift home by the boys in blue.
Never go near the place in the evenings and rarely during the day. Much better shopping and evening atmosphere elsewhere. Look at the violence reported in the Echo whereas in the 60's/70's I could walk from the town centre at midnight (no buses) and never see any aggro with rarely a drunk in sight. But then if you were drunk in public it was a 10 shilling fine regardless. Now its a lift home by the boys in blue. High Treason
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4:26pm Wed 23 Jan 13

O'Reilly says...

l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
No chance baby! We are spending the inheritance.... so, do one froggie!
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]No chance baby! We are spending the inheritance.... so, do one froggie! O'Reilly
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4:33pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bbird says...

super_soup wrote:
bbird says...
"...Jamie is different he's an honorary one"

Please don't tell me you think that Jamie Oliver provides authentic Italian food at his restaurants....
For a chain restaurant I personally think it's pretty good, and at least the menu is inspired by 'real Italian food'. But for decent Italian food, yes, you need to go to Italy. Or Da Mario in Queens Road does a really good pizza, made in a wood fired oven (pretty unique in the area?) ... But he is an exception in a foodie desert.
[quote][p][bold]super_soup[/bold] wrote: bbird says... "...Jamie is different he's an honorary one" Please don't tell me you think that Jamie Oliver provides authentic Italian food at his restaurants....[/p][/quote]For a chain restaurant I personally think it's pretty good, and at least the menu is inspired by 'real Italian food'. But for decent Italian food, yes, you need to go to Italy. Or Da Mario in Queens Road does a really good pizza, made in a wood fired oven (pretty unique in the area?) ... But he is an exception in a foodie desert. bbird
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4:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Mcfly77 says...

Just adds to the enormous amount of empty shop/bar frontage in Bournemouth.
Just adds to the enormous amount of empty shop/bar frontage in Bournemouth. Mcfly77
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5:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13

tramp_about_town says...

They are taking a leaf out of Kinson Schools book and closing because of the gas smell.
They are taking a leaf out of Kinson Schools book and closing because of the gas smell. tramp_about_town
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5:09pm Wed 23 Jan 13

madras says...

l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
Or keep it on the basis that they will need to fund their own care, potentially nursing home and other fees when they are no longer able to look after it themselves - that'll then 'release' their 'cash' into the economy...
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]Or keep it on the basis that they will need to fund their own care, potentially nursing home and other fees when they are no longer able to look after it themselves - that'll then 'release' their 'cash' into the economy... madras
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5:18pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Chiqqy says...

I don't go out in Bournemouth anymore really. Might meet friends up at the Flirt cafe but I rarely venture into any of the Bournemouth bars or clubs. Music is atrocious and the type of people who frequent some of these places puts me off. I see what happens all the time as I work on the West Cliff and my route home is through town sometimes at night.
I don't go out in Bournemouth anymore really. Might meet friends up at the Flirt cafe but I rarely venture into any of the Bournemouth bars or clubs. Music is atrocious and the type of people who frequent some of these places puts me off. I see what happens all the time as I work on the West Cliff and my route home is through town sometimes at night. Chiqqy
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5:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Bournefre says...

bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.
So what was the actual problem?
You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out.
I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?[/p][/quote]Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.[/p][/quote]So what was the actual problem? You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out. I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead. Bournefre
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6:30pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bbird says...

Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.
So what was the actual problem?
You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out.
I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.
We were new to this otherwise wonderful town and now know better!
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?[/p][/quote]Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.[/p][/quote]So what was the actual problem? You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out. I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.[/p][/quote]We were new to this otherwise wonderful town and now know better! bbird
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6:38pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bbird says...

bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.
So what was the actual problem?
You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out.
I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.
We were new to this otherwise wonderful town and now know better!
NB uncouth=in a manner that may be considered rude or offensive (so not "purely on appearance"). I would also add intimidating!
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?[/p][/quote]Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.[/p][/quote]So what was the actual problem? You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out. I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.[/p][/quote]We were new to this otherwise wonderful town and now know better![/p][/quote]NB uncouth=in a manner that may be considered rude or offensive (so not "purely on appearance"). I would also add intimidating! bbird
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7:20pm Wed 23 Jan 13

rayc says...

l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
Any advice how I could go about that without paying a large amount of it to the Chancellor?
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]Any advice how I could go about that without paying a large amount of it to the Chancellor? rayc
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7:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Bournefre says...

bbird wrote:
bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.
So what was the actual problem?
You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out.
I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.
We were new to this otherwise wonderful town and now know better!
NB uncouth=in a manner that may be considered rude or offensive (so not "purely on appearance"). I would also add intimidating!
They were probably more scared of you than you were of them.
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?[/p][/quote]Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.[/p][/quote]So what was the actual problem? You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out. I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.[/p][/quote]We were new to this otherwise wonderful town and now know better![/p][/quote]NB uncouth=in a manner that may be considered rude or offensive (so not "purely on appearance"). I would also add intimidating![/p][/quote]They were probably more scared of you than you were of them. Bournefre
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7:53pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
I wish they did though 'cos I would laugh myself into a coma watching that compilation on YouTube!!!
[quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]I wish they did though 'cos I would laugh myself into a coma watching that compilation on YouTube!!! Letcommonsenseprevail
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10:29pm Wed 23 Jan 13

ragj195 says...

l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
I don't think you understand what equity is. It's the value of your home minus your outstanding mortgage and is only worth anything if you sell your house.

If you haven't got a mortgage then releasing some equity would involve either selling your home or re-mortgaging your home and taken on the subsequent or increase in monthly premiums.

Anyone that has spent 25 years paying off their mortgage has in my eyes fully earned the value of their properties. When they purchased their property 50 years ago wages were as small as the house prices.
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]I don't think you understand what equity is. It's the value of your home minus your outstanding mortgage and is only worth anything if you sell your house. If you haven't got a mortgage then releasing some equity would involve either selling your home or re-mortgaging your home and taken on the subsequent or increase in monthly premiums. Anyone that has spent 25 years paying off their mortgage has in my eyes fully earned the value of their properties. When they purchased their property 50 years ago wages were as small as the house prices. ragj195
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11:06pm Wed 23 Jan 13

MrPitiful says...

super_soup wrote:
The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true.

There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers!

There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba).

Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night.

Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised!
100% agree with 100% of the content of this post!
[quote][p][bold]super_soup[/bold] wrote: The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true. There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers! There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba). Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night. Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised![/p][/quote]100% agree with 100% of the content of this post! MrPitiful
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11:14pm Wed 23 Jan 13

MrPitiful says...

Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend.

No answers anywhere on Google!

Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated.

I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)
Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend. No answers anywhere on Google! Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated. I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!) MrPitiful
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11:35pm Wed 23 Jan 13

davidhaz says...

Not enough bars that play rock music. Its all rap and tecno rubbish or dubstep whatever. Everywhere in town is plastic and horrible. All owned by the big chains so no character. All bland and all the same. We used to have privately owned places with character. The owners played music and bands they liked, they decorated their clubs in an original way. They attracted like minded people. Different types of people went to different places. There was probably more fights then (pre-cameras) but the papers didnt moan about it so much. There was also 30% or more clubs and bars were over 21 with a dress code. Now everywheres so desperate for business they let anyone in everywhere...... All the bars are focused on under 25s and all the bars and all the restaurants are owned by big chains with no character. To top it off what was £1.30 a pint when i started drinking is now £4 or more in places like bliss and chilli white. We need to close a few hotels and turn them into flats so we dont have so many cheap stag only hotels, close a few bars. Lower business rates so private owners can afford to run bars again and tell our government to stop taxing beer and gas n electricity to the point where the cost of running a business just isn't worth it then maybe we will have cheaper beer again. Vote ukip LibLabCon will just continue to leach off us until we're bankrupt just in time for the new global government to "rescue us" and take over!!!! rant over
Not enough bars that play rock music. Its all rap and tecno rubbish or dubstep whatever. Everywhere in town is plastic and horrible. All owned by the big chains so no character. All bland and all the same. We used to have privately owned places with character. The owners played music and bands they liked, they decorated their clubs in an original way. They attracted like minded people. Different types of people went to different places. There was probably more fights then (pre-cameras) but the papers didnt moan about it so much. There was also 30% or more clubs and bars were over 21 with a dress code. Now everywheres so desperate for business they let anyone in everywhere...... All the bars are focused on under 25s and all the bars and all the restaurants are owned by big chains with no character. To top it off what was £1.30 a pint when i started drinking is now £4 or more in places like bliss and chilli white. We need to close a few hotels and turn them into flats so we dont have so many cheap stag only hotels, close a few bars. Lower business rates so private owners can afford to run bars again and tell our government to stop taxing beer and gas n electricity to the point where the cost of running a business just isn't worth it then maybe we will have cheaper beer again. Vote ukip LibLabCon will just continue to leach off us until we're bankrupt just in time for the new global government to "rescue us" and take over!!!! rant over davidhaz
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12:02am Thu 24 Jan 13

Astrium says...

It's a shame that jobs may be lost as a result of this venue closing, however you can not run a business that employs bullish door staff who only let people in that they like, know or are attractive.
The place never has the right amount of staff on to serve you so as a result less money is spent.
If you use your nose the place smells of sick.
What is the attraction of queuing for ages to get in or not to a venue like this.
Maybe they should turn the place back in to a furniture store!
It's a shame that jobs may be lost as a result of this venue closing, however you can not run a business that employs bullish door staff who only let people in that they like, know or are attractive. The place never has the right amount of staff on to serve you so as a result less money is spent. If you use your nose the place smells of sick. What is the attraction of queuing for ages to get in or not to a venue like this. Maybe they should turn the place back in to a furniture store! Astrium
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1:31am Thu 24 Jan 13

Ivan Opinion says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend.

No answers anywhere on Google!

Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated.

I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)
In the 90s.. chilliwhite was an empty building- mary shelley was hartleys and bliss was maples..
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend. No answers anywhere on Google! Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated. I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)[/p][/quote]In the 90s.. chilliwhite was an empty building- mary shelley was hartleys and bliss was maples.. Ivan Opinion
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4:25am Thu 24 Jan 13

Linguist says...

bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.
bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself.
As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty.
Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong.
As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?[/p][/quote]Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.[/p][/quote]bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself. As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty. Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong. As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like. Linguist
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8:41am Thu 24 Jan 13

Holdenhurst says...

Ivan Opinion wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend.

No answers anywhere on Google!

Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated.

I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)
In the 90s.. chilliwhite was an empty building- mary shelley was hartleys and bliss was maples..
If I recall correctly the IRA tried to firebomb Maples.
[quote][p][bold]Ivan Opinion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend. No answers anywhere on Google! Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated. I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)[/p][/quote]In the 90s.. chilliwhite was an empty building- mary shelley was hartleys and bliss was maples..[/p][/quote]If I recall correctly the IRA tried to firebomb Maples. Holdenhurst
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8:42am Thu 24 Jan 13

Dibbles2 says...

It really does astound me that nobody has commented on the people who have lost their jobs. Those are the people who spend money in th local economy and without our pubs and clubs Bournemouth would undoubtedly become a ghost town whilst it took years to regenerate. Dont bite the hand that feeds you people. Whether you like it or not there are thousands of people in Poole and Bournemouth whos jobs are teetering on a knife edge in the current economic climate and that just in this industry. Some staff havent been paid for weeks, bills are not being paid, closures like this also put other companies out of business. But as long your alright jack!
It really does astound me that nobody has commented on the people who have lost their jobs. Those are the people who spend money in th local economy and without our pubs and clubs Bournemouth would undoubtedly become a ghost town whilst it took years to regenerate. Dont bite the hand that feeds you people. Whether you like it or not there are thousands of people in Poole and Bournemouth whos jobs are teetering on a knife edge in the current economic climate and that just in this industry. Some staff havent been paid for weeks, bills are not being paid, closures like this also put other companies out of business. But as long your alright jack! Dibbles2
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9:01am Thu 24 Jan 13

Ivan Opinion says...

Holdenhurst wrote:
Ivan Opinion wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend.

No answers anywhere on Google!

Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated.

I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)
In the 90s.. chilliwhite was an empty building- mary shelley was hartleys and bliss was maples..
If I recall correctly the IRA tried to firebomb Maples.
yes 1993 .... 20 years thats gone fast !
[quote][p][bold]Holdenhurst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ivan Opinion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend. No answers anywhere on Google! Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated. I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)[/p][/quote]In the 90s.. chilliwhite was an empty building- mary shelley was hartleys and bliss was maples..[/p][/quote]If I recall correctly the IRA tried to firebomb Maples.[/p][/quote]yes 1993 .... 20 years thats gone fast ! Ivan Opinion
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9:15am Thu 24 Jan 13

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Not really surprised with this news. The bars are aimed at students and younger people who don't have much money and are struggling to make ends meet with high property rents, student loans etc.
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The safety side is also an issue. I know younger people who now socialise in Winton, Westbourne, Ashley Cross etc because the town centre isn’t safe.
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The situation isn't helped by geriatric councillors love/hate relationship with the night-time economy. St Peters Road is looking very run down but rather than encouraging investment in regeneration in established areas like St Peters Road, Old Christchurch Road, Holdenhurst Road etc, they are encouraging development on the towns car parks. If these developments go ahead they will simply shift the night time economy to a different area and exasperate the decline and decay in St Peters Road etc.
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Bournemouth’s daytime town centre economy is in terminal decline and the night-time economy is going the same way. As long as the people of Bournemouth are stupid enough to keep voting for Beesley, Filler and co the situation will only get worse. Bournemouth Council needs to take a long hard look at what is happening to the town, stop living in cloud cuckoo land and start to take responsibility before its too late.
Yep very true...
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Not really surprised with this news. The bars are aimed at students and younger people who don't have much money and are struggling to make ends meet with high property rents, student loans etc. . The safety side is also an issue. I know younger people who now socialise in Winton, Westbourne, Ashley Cross etc because the town centre isn’t safe. . The situation isn't helped by geriatric councillors love/hate relationship with the night-time economy. St Peters Road is looking very run down but rather than encouraging investment in regeneration in established areas like St Peters Road, Old Christchurch Road, Holdenhurst Road etc, they are encouraging development on the towns car parks. If these developments go ahead they will simply shift the night time economy to a different area and exasperate the decline and decay in St Peters Road etc. . Bournemouth’s daytime town centre economy is in terminal decline and the night-time economy is going the same way. As long as the people of Bournemouth are stupid enough to keep voting for Beesley, Filler and co the situation will only get worse. Bournemouth Council needs to take a long hard look at what is happening to the town, stop living in cloud cuckoo land and start to take responsibility before its too late.[/p][/quote]Yep very true... Tom 'Boscombe' Jones
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9:18am Thu 24 Jan 13

Holdenhurst says...

davidhaz wrote:
Not enough bars that play rock music. Its all rap and tecno rubbish or dubstep whatever. Everywhere in town is plastic and horrible. All owned by the big chains so no character. All bland and all the same. We used to have privately owned places with character. The owners played music and bands they liked, they decorated their clubs in an original way. They attracted like minded people. Different types of people went to different places. There was probably more fights then (pre-cameras) but the papers didnt moan about it so much. There was also 30% or more clubs and bars were over 21 with a dress code. Now everywheres so desperate for business they let anyone in everywhere...... All the bars are focused on under 25s and all the bars and all the restaurants are owned by big chains with no character. To top it off what was £1.30 a pint when i started drinking is now £4 or more in places like bliss and chilli white. We need to close a few hotels and turn them into flats so we dont have so many cheap stag only hotels, close a few bars. Lower business rates so private owners can afford to run bars again and tell our government to stop taxing beer and gas n electricity to the point where the cost of running a business just isn't worth it then maybe we will have cheaper beer again. Vote ukip LibLabCon will just continue to leach off us until we're bankrupt just in time for the new global government to "rescue us" and take over!!!! rant over
There are still a few places that stray away from the well worn path. The Anvil and Soundcircus are both independents and cater for the rock/metal crowd. The Winchester puts on everything from Techno (which wouldn't get played in any commercial bar) through to sixties psychedelic rock and even small scale theatre. Smokin' Aces is another independent that does things it's own way. Even Sixty Million Postcards, despite being part of a chain caters to an alternative crowd with plenty of live music.
[quote][p][bold]davidhaz[/bold] wrote: Not enough bars that play rock music. Its all rap and tecno rubbish or dubstep whatever. Everywhere in town is plastic and horrible. All owned by the big chains so no character. All bland and all the same. We used to have privately owned places with character. The owners played music and bands they liked, they decorated their clubs in an original way. They attracted like minded people. Different types of people went to different places. There was probably more fights then (pre-cameras) but the papers didnt moan about it so much. There was also 30% or more clubs and bars were over 21 with a dress code. Now everywheres so desperate for business they let anyone in everywhere...... All the bars are focused on under 25s and all the bars and all the restaurants are owned by big chains with no character. To top it off what was £1.30 a pint when i started drinking is now £4 or more in places like bliss and chilli white. We need to close a few hotels and turn them into flats so we dont have so many cheap stag only hotels, close a few bars. Lower business rates so private owners can afford to run bars again and tell our government to stop taxing beer and gas n electricity to the point where the cost of running a business just isn't worth it then maybe we will have cheaper beer again. Vote ukip LibLabCon will just continue to leach off us until we're bankrupt just in time for the new global government to "rescue us" and take over!!!! rant over[/p][/quote]There are still a few places that stray away from the well worn path. The Anvil and Soundcircus are both independents and cater for the rock/metal crowd. The Winchester puts on everything from Techno (which wouldn't get played in any commercial bar) through to sixties psychedelic rock and even small scale theatre. Smokin' Aces is another independent that does things it's own way. Even Sixty Million Postcards, despite being part of a chain caters to an alternative crowd with plenty of live music. Holdenhurst
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9:19am Thu 24 Jan 13

ABCD1 says...

Good news.
Lets hope it is replaced with good quality restaurant or something to deter the folk that go out on a 'social' but end up causing trouble.

Maybe it is time for Bournemouth to smarten itself up and improve the clientele.

We don't need all these drinking holes.

Happy Days
Good news. Lets hope it is replaced with good quality restaurant or something to deter the folk that go out on a 'social' but end up causing trouble. Maybe it is time for Bournemouth to smarten itself up and improve the clientele. We don't need all these drinking holes. Happy Days ABCD1
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9:44am Thu 24 Jan 13

bbird says...

Linguist wrote:
bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.
bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself.
As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty.
Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong.
As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.
The club bars may not have been open, but I can assure you that in the summer the stags are out at that time. I remember sitting in Ask (Lansdowne) early evening another time transfixed as one after another groups of fancy dressed revellers streamed down the road. Yes, many good natured & harmless, but not all. And recently on the train back from Southampton at 5/6pm, 20 or so beer swilling stags boarded - we had seen them and moved to the Quiet Carriage - yes, you guessed they joined us & were noisy & rude. Interestingly, the ticket collector didn't challenge or move them on. So we changed carriage. Hardly a good advertisement for Bournemouth & tourists who may otherwise come here & spend food money.
[quote][p][bold]Linguist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?[/p][/quote]Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.[/p][/quote]bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself. As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty. Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong. As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.[/p][/quote]The club bars may not have been open, but I can assure you that in the summer the stags are out at that time. I remember sitting in Ask (Lansdowne) early evening another time transfixed as one after another groups of fancy dressed revellers streamed down the road. Yes, many good natured & harmless, but not all. And recently on the train back from Southampton at 5/6pm, 20 or so beer swilling stags boarded - we had seen them and moved to the Quiet Carriage - yes, you guessed they joined us & were noisy & rude. Interestingly, the ticket collector didn't challenge or move them on. So we changed carriage. Hardly a good advertisement for Bournemouth & tourists who may otherwise come here & spend food money. bbird
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10:15am Thu 24 Jan 13

MJD says...

What jolly good news. Lets hope a few more soon join them.
What jolly good news. Lets hope a few more soon join them. MJD
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10:16am Thu 24 Jan 13

aerolover says...

ragj195 wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
I don't think you understand what equity is. It's the value of your home minus your outstanding mortgage and is only worth anything if you sell your house.

If you haven't got a mortgage then releasing some equity would involve either selling your home or re-mortgaging your home and taken on the subsequent or increase in monthly premiums.

Anyone that has spent 25 years paying off their mortgage has in my eyes fully earned the value of their properties. When they purchased their property 50 years ago wages were as small as the house prices.
When I bought my first home the mortgage rate was near 10% and it went up. I worked TWO job because my wife was looking after OUR 2 children. When the rate went up we paid the extra and went without something. We now have a reasonable life style with some savings. The savings rate is rubbish, oh for the savers rate when we were buying. Some young people need to realise you don't get something for nothing and hard work pays off in the end.
In the 60's we did go out in the town centre, Pavillion Sunday night, top rank on a Monday and a few other club during the week if we wanted. Never much trouble from drunks only hassle from drug pushers.
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]I don't think you understand what equity is. It's the value of your home minus your outstanding mortgage and is only worth anything if you sell your house. If you haven't got a mortgage then releasing some equity would involve either selling your home or re-mortgaging your home and taken on the subsequent or increase in monthly premiums. Anyone that has spent 25 years paying off their mortgage has in my eyes fully earned the value of their properties. When they purchased their property 50 years ago wages were as small as the house prices.[/p][/quote]When I bought my first home the mortgage rate was near 10% and it went up. I worked TWO job because my wife was looking after OUR 2 children. When the rate went up we paid the extra and went without something. We now have a reasonable life style with some savings. The savings rate is rubbish, oh for the savers rate when we were buying. Some young people need to realise you don't get something for nothing and hard work pays off in the end. In the 60's we did go out in the town centre, Pavillion Sunday night, top rank on a Monday and a few other club during the week if we wanted. Never much trouble from drunks only hassle from drug pushers. aerolover
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11:31am Thu 24 Jan 13

rozmister says...

bbird wrote:
Linguist wrote:
bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.
bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself.
As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty.
Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong.
As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.
The club bars may not have been open, but I can assure you that in the summer the stags are out at that time. I remember sitting in Ask (Lansdowne) early evening another time transfixed as one after another groups of fancy dressed revellers streamed down the road. Yes, many good natured & harmless, but not all. And recently on the train back from Southampton at 5/6pm, 20 or so beer swilling stags boarded - we had seen them and moved to the Quiet Carriage - yes, you guessed they joined us & were noisy & rude. Interestingly, the ticket collector didn't challenge or move them on. So we changed carriage. Hardly a good advertisement for Bournemouth & tourists who may otherwise come here & spend food money.
Saying that many are good natured & harmless but not all acknowledges the complete flaw in your point. The fact of the matter is there will always be a few bad eggs; whether it's people in fancy dress, older people, children, police officers, etc.

Thousands of people go out in Bournemouth every weekend it's inevitable that a handful of those people will be nasty and fight and behave in an antisocial manner.

The problem isn't that they're in fancy dress and daring to walk through the town while you eat in a restaurant - the problem is your perception of all stag/hen dos/people in fancy dress as being bad news.
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linguist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?[/p][/quote]Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.[/p][/quote]bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself. As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty. Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong. As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.[/p][/quote]The club bars may not have been open, but I can assure you that in the summer the stags are out at that time. I remember sitting in Ask (Lansdowne) early evening another time transfixed as one after another groups of fancy dressed revellers streamed down the road. Yes, many good natured & harmless, but not all. And recently on the train back from Southampton at 5/6pm, 20 or so beer swilling stags boarded - we had seen them and moved to the Quiet Carriage - yes, you guessed they joined us & were noisy & rude. Interestingly, the ticket collector didn't challenge or move them on. So we changed carriage. Hardly a good advertisement for Bournemouth & tourists who may otherwise come here & spend food money.[/p][/quote]Saying that many are good natured & harmless but not all acknowledges the complete flaw in your point. The fact of the matter is there will always be a few bad eggs; whether it's people in fancy dress, older people, children, police officers, etc. Thousands of people go out in Bournemouth every weekend it's inevitable that a handful of those people will be nasty and fight and behave in an antisocial manner. The problem isn't that they're in fancy dress and daring to walk through the town while you eat in a restaurant - the problem is your perception of all stag/hen dos/people in fancy dress as being bad news. rozmister
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11:49am Thu 24 Jan 13

InkZ says...

I think the longer opening hours could have hurt the clubs in a way.

When I started going out in town in the late 90's all the clubs kicked you out at 2, and you couldn't get in after 11.30.

This meant you went out much earlier, and we never drank at home. Pre drinks would be in a pub. Now Pre drinks are done at home.

I remember when Bliss opened it was the most expensive bar in town, £3 a pint!! and Bar Med was still the trendy bar to go.

The best places to drink in town now are actually the strip clubs. You get nice seats, music isn't too loud, you get table service and there's no trouble. I'm sure the prudes will disagree though ;)
I think the longer opening hours could have hurt the clubs in a way. When I started going out in town in the late 90's all the clubs kicked you out at 2, and you couldn't get in after 11.30. This meant you went out much earlier, and we never drank at home. Pre drinks would be in a pub. Now Pre drinks are done at home. I remember when Bliss opened it was the most expensive bar in town, £3 a pint!! and Bar Med was still the trendy bar to go. The best places to drink in town now are actually the strip clubs. You get nice seats, music isn't too loud, you get table service and there's no trouble. I'm sure the prudes will disagree though ;) InkZ
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12:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Bournemouthfan2 says...

ABCD1 wrote:
Good news.
Lets hope it is replaced with good quality restaurant or something to deter the folk that go out on a 'social' but end up causing trouble.

Maybe it is time for Bournemouth to smarten itself up and improve the clientele.

We don't need all these drinking holes.

Happy Days
Whille ABCD1 is celebrating the closure of these clubs without a care in the world, I would like to send my condolences to those staff who now may be out of a job and will probably struggle to find another.
Bournemouth town centre stopped being a family resort years ago, my parents used to own a hotel and saw a downturn in the family market as long ago as in the 70's when cheap holidays abroad became available, hoteliers had to do something to stay in business and I guess that they had to encourage the short breaks which appeals to the younger market.
My nightclub years were during the 80's and I do not think that the town has got much worse! There were plenty of clubs around then, but now they are more concentrated in one place.
People that are posting negative comments will just have to accept that things have moved on. I do not think that the closure of most of the pubs and clubs will suddenly turn the town into a family resort.
Bournemouth now has a large student population which is being catered for by the various clubs, students are providing much needed employment in the town which is a boost during the winter times when the summer trade is not here.
Would the critical reviewers rather all these bars and clubs be shut down, leaving the staff unemployed and a further burden on the local economy? It would seem so from some of the comments!
[quote][p][bold]ABCD1[/bold] wrote: Good news. Lets hope it is replaced with good quality restaurant or something to deter the folk that go out on a 'social' but end up causing trouble. Maybe it is time for Bournemouth to smarten itself up and improve the clientele. We don't need all these drinking holes. Happy Days[/p][/quote]Whille ABCD1 is celebrating the closure of these clubs without a care in the world, I would like to send my condolences to those staff who now may be out of a job and will probably struggle to find another. Bournemouth town centre stopped being a family resort years ago, my parents used to own a hotel and saw a downturn in the family market as long ago as in the 70's when cheap holidays abroad became available, hoteliers had to do something to stay in business and I guess that they had to encourage the short breaks which appeals to the younger market. My nightclub years were during the 80's and I do not think that the town has got much worse! There were plenty of clubs around then, but now they are more concentrated in one place. People that are posting negative comments will just have to accept that things have moved on. I do not think that the closure of most of the pubs and clubs will suddenly turn the town into a family resort. Bournemouth now has a large student population which is being catered for by the various clubs, students are providing much needed employment in the town which is a boost during the winter times when the summer trade is not here. Would the critical reviewers rather all these bars and clubs be shut down, leaving the staff unemployed and a further burden on the local economy? It would seem so from some of the comments! Bournemouthfan2
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4:15pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...

Good riddance, I put it down to the violent chavs that run rampant. Not worth the risk, I wouldn't dare go for a night out down there, and neither would my son!

Used to love going to clubs like Berlins back in the late 90's, Bournemouth was a safe place to go out back then.

Not now, he'd rather go to an "oldskool" warehouse party reunion elsewhere in the country.
Good riddance, I put it down to the violent chavs that run rampant. Not worth the risk, I wouldn't dare go for a night out down there, and neither would my son! Used to love going to clubs like Berlins back in the late 90's, Bournemouth was a safe place to go out back then. Not now, he'd rather go to an "oldskool" warehouse party reunion elsewhere in the country. Bournesouthmouth Downpokes
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4:23pm Thu 24 Jan 13

J Swain says...

Well we all love to hate Carr but he was responsible for both of these venues creation and they have gone downhill since he went bust so RIP.
Well we all love to hate Carr but he was responsible for both of these venues creation and they have gone downhill since he went bust so RIP. J Swain
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4:38pm Thu 24 Jan 13

ragj195 says...

rozmister wrote:
bbird wrote:
Linguist wrote:
bbird wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.
Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?
Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.
bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself.
As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty.
Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong.
As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.
The club bars may not have been open, but I can assure you that in the summer the stags are out at that time. I remember sitting in Ask (Lansdowne) early evening another time transfixed as one after another groups of fancy dressed revellers streamed down the road. Yes, many good natured & harmless, but not all. And recently on the train back from Southampton at 5/6pm, 20 or so beer swilling stags boarded - we had seen them and moved to the Quiet Carriage - yes, you guessed they joined us & were noisy & rude. Interestingly, the ticket collector didn't challenge or move them on. So we changed carriage. Hardly a good advertisement for Bournemouth & tourists who may otherwise come here & spend food money.
Saying that many are good natured & harmless but not all acknowledges the complete flaw in your point. The fact of the matter is there will always be a few bad eggs; whether it's people in fancy dress, older people, children, police officers, etc.

Thousands of people go out in Bournemouth every weekend it's inevitable that a handful of those people will be nasty and fight and behave in an antisocial manner.

The problem isn't that they're in fancy dress and daring to walk through the town while you eat in a restaurant - the problem is your perception of all stag/hen dos/people in fancy dress as being bad news.
Spot on. People read an Echo story about the occasional assault and assume that it will happen to them. Comments on here using terms like "no go zone" are normally from people who have rarely if ever gone into Bournemouth at night time. The fact is there's always been the occasional bit of trouble in town, as there would be in any town center. Unless you go looking for trouble it's unlikely to come your way. When was the last time you heard of an assault on a family or a middle aged couple in the town center? Doesn't happen as it normally isolated to groups of lads clashing, which is nothing new.

People might not like the stag groups. They might feel intimidated by them but that's their problem and doesn't justify many of the comments people make about the town center.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linguist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent). No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening. The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?[/p][/quote]Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.[/p][/quote]bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself. As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty. Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong. As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.[/p][/quote]The club bars may not have been open, but I can assure you that in the summer the stags are out at that time. I remember sitting in Ask (Lansdowne) early evening another time transfixed as one after another groups of fancy dressed revellers streamed down the road. Yes, many good natured & harmless, but not all. And recently on the train back from Southampton at 5/6pm, 20 or so beer swilling stags boarded - we had seen them and moved to the Quiet Carriage - yes, you guessed they joined us & were noisy & rude. Interestingly, the ticket collector didn't challenge or move them on. So we changed carriage. Hardly a good advertisement for Bournemouth & tourists who may otherwise come here & spend food money.[/p][/quote]Saying that many are good natured & harmless but not all acknowledges the complete flaw in your point. The fact of the matter is there will always be a few bad eggs; whether it's people in fancy dress, older people, children, police officers, etc. Thousands of people go out in Bournemouth every weekend it's inevitable that a handful of those people will be nasty and fight and behave in an antisocial manner. The problem isn't that they're in fancy dress and daring to walk through the town while you eat in a restaurant - the problem is your perception of all stag/hen dos/people in fancy dress as being bad news.[/p][/quote]Spot on. People read an Echo story about the occasional assault and assume that it will happen to them. Comments on here using terms like "no go zone" are normally from people who have rarely if ever gone into Bournemouth at night time. The fact is there's always been the occasional bit of trouble in town, as there would be in any town center. Unless you go looking for trouble it's unlikely to come your way. When was the last time you heard of an assault on a family or a middle aged couple in the town center? Doesn't happen as it normally isolated to groups of lads clashing, which is nothing new. People might not like the stag groups. They might feel intimidated by them but that's their problem and doesn't justify many of the comments people make about the town center. ragj195
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4:44pm Thu 24 Jan 13

J Swain says...

The big issue is I guess you are all old and bored.
The big issue is I guess you are all old and bored. J Swain
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4:48pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Dont drop litter says...

Redgolfer wrote:
About the time scale of most clubs that are the ''IN'' place at the moment, plus you cannot get a Taxi after 22.00hrs outside of both venue's in the countries top 10 violent road, thanks to Cllr Filler.
I think you'll find the violence is not being caused by the Councillors - it's the drunken 20ish year olds full of MCAT or whatever.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: About the time scale of most clubs that are the ''IN'' place at the moment, plus you cannot get a Taxi after 22.00hrs outside of both venue's in the countries top 10 violent road, thanks to Cllr Filler.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the violence is not being caused by the Councillors - it's the drunken 20ish year olds full of MCAT or whatever. Dont drop litter
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4:50pm Thu 24 Jan 13

bbird says...

Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
ABCD1 wrote:
Good news.
Lets hope it is replaced with good quality restaurant or something to deter the folk that go out on a 'social' but end up causing trouble.

Maybe it is time for Bournemouth to smarten itself up and improve the clientele.

We don't need all these drinking holes.

Happy Days
Whille ABCD1 is celebrating the closure of these clubs without a care in the world, I would like to send my condolences to those staff who now may be out of a job and will probably struggle to find another.
Bournemouth town centre stopped being a family resort years ago, my parents used to own a hotel and saw a downturn in the family market as long ago as in the 70's when cheap holidays abroad became available, hoteliers had to do something to stay in business and I guess that they had to encourage the short breaks which appeals to the younger market.
My nightclub years were during the 80's and I do not think that the town has got much worse! There were plenty of clubs around then, but now they are more concentrated in one place.
People that are posting negative comments will just have to accept that things have moved on. I do not think that the closure of most of the pubs and clubs will suddenly turn the town into a family resort.
Bournemouth now has a large student population which is being catered for by the various clubs, students are providing much needed employment in the town which is a boost during the winter times when the summer trade is not here.
Would the critical reviewers rather all these bars and clubs be shut down, leaving the staff unemployed and a further burden on the local economy? It would seem so from some of the comments!
I think we all want Bournemouth to prosper and provide plenty of work, and be a safe resort.

Like any large seaside town there is room for everyone. We should all, old & young, rich & poor, residents & tourists, be able to enjoy our wonderful position.

Many older people, and families, are fed up with travelling abroad. Yes in the 70s the trend was to go on package tours.

But the staycation has arrived. The stress of flying, delays, strikes, problems in obtaining & cost with medical insurance have contributed no doubt. . But people are out off staying in the UK by several factors, not just the weather. If we improved our hotels, restaurants & cafes (more outdoor seating), had some exciting privately owned shops & a Westfield style shopping mall, and offered more culture (a world class modern art gallery) .... then perhaps we would attract more visitors, not just from the UK but also from abroad.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ABCD1[/bold] wrote: Good news. Lets hope it is replaced with good quality restaurant or something to deter the folk that go out on a 'social' but end up causing trouble. Maybe it is time for Bournemouth to smarten itself up and improve the clientele. We don't need all these drinking holes. Happy Days[/p][/quote]Whille ABCD1 is celebrating the closure of these clubs without a care in the world, I would like to send my condolences to those staff who now may be out of a job and will probably struggle to find another. Bournemouth town centre stopped being a family resort years ago, my parents used to own a hotel and saw a downturn in the family market as long ago as in the 70's when cheap holidays abroad became available, hoteliers had to do something to stay in business and I guess that they had to encourage the short breaks which appeals to the younger market. My nightclub years were during the 80's and I do not think that the town has got much worse! There were plenty of clubs around then, but now they are more concentrated in one place. People that are posting negative comments will just have to accept that things have moved on. I do not think that the closure of most of the pubs and clubs will suddenly turn the town into a family resort. Bournemouth now has a large student population which is being catered for by the various clubs, students are providing much needed employment in the town which is a boost during the winter times when the summer trade is not here. Would the critical reviewers rather all these bars and clubs be shut down, leaving the staff unemployed and a further burden on the local economy? It would seem so from some of the comments![/p][/quote]I think we all want Bournemouth to prosper and provide plenty of work, and be a safe resort. Like any large seaside town there is room for everyone. We should all, old & young, rich & poor, residents & tourists, be able to enjoy our wonderful position. Many older people, and families, are fed up with travelling abroad. Yes in the 70s the trend was to go on package tours. But the staycation has arrived. The stress of flying, delays, strikes, problems in obtaining & cost with medical insurance have contributed no doubt. . But people are out off staying in the UK by several factors, not just the weather. If we improved our hotels, restaurants & cafes (more outdoor seating), had some exciting privately owned shops & a Westfield style shopping mall, and offered more culture (a world class modern art gallery) .... then perhaps we would attract more visitors, not just from the UK but also from abroad. bbird
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4:52pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Dont drop litter says...

l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
Go out and earn you own money you worthless scrounger. Despite what you may think mortgages have always been unaffordable for most people and wages weren't always so high. Go out and ask one of those 'old foggies' how much they earned when they took out their first mortage - you learn something.
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]Go out and earn you own money you worthless scrounger. Despite what you may think mortgages have always been unaffordable for most people and wages weren't always so high. Go out and ask one of those 'old foggies' how much they earned when they took out their first mortage - you learn something. Dont drop litter
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4:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13

J Swain says...

Brink back Richard Carr he filled the bars before all is forgiven he still has Millions to invest
Brink back Richard Carr he filled the bars before all is forgiven he still has Millions to invest J Swain
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5:53pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Bournefre says...

MJD wrote:
What jolly good news. Lets hope a few more soon join them.
Just wait until you get to that age.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: What jolly good news. Lets hope a few more soon join them.[/p][/quote]Just wait until you get to that age. Bournefre
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10:07pm Thu 24 Jan 13

rusty james says...

J Swain wrote:
The big issue is I guess you are all old and bored.
There it is. The diamond in the rough.
[quote][p][bold]J Swain[/bold] wrote: The big issue is I guess you are all old and bored.[/p][/quote]There it is. The diamond in the rough. rusty james
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11:46pm Thu 24 Jan 13

MrPitiful says...

Word on the street is one of these will be back up & running by next weekend after some internal structure/refurb work - not sure how true it is.

Anyhow, plenty of folk out of work because of this at what is already a tough time.
Also, those rejoicing in the closures are a little short-sighted. Bournemouth is now firmly established as a drinking/stag & hen/party location and this Summer will see similar numbers arrive at weekends & similar numbers of uni students during the week.
These people are still going to "bar-crawl". The only difference being they will now be even more concentrated around the venues still open which to my mind increases the possibility of trouble.

Having said that, trouble in town is rare when you consider the numbers we get at weekends. Somebody on here has already stated the point that you don't get families or shoppers being attacked by drunks in Bournemouth, you just get the drinkers having fisticuffs between themselves just like in any other town in the UK on any given weekend.
Word on the street is one of these will be back up & running by next weekend after some internal structure/refurb work - not sure how true it is. Anyhow, plenty of folk out of work because of this at what is already a tough time. Also, those rejoicing in the closures are a little short-sighted. Bournemouth is now firmly established as a drinking/stag & hen/party location and this Summer will see similar numbers arrive at weekends & similar numbers of uni students during the week. These people are still going to "bar-crawl". The only difference being they will now be even more concentrated around the venues still open which to my mind increases the possibility of trouble. Having said that, trouble in town is rare when you consider the numbers we get at weekends. Somebody on here has already stated the point that you don't get families or shoppers being attacked by drunks in Bournemouth, you just get the drinkers having fisticuffs between themselves just like in any other town in the UK on any given weekend. MrPitiful
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12:14am Fri 25 Jan 13

ragj195 says...

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
Good riddance, I put it down to the violent chavs that run rampant. Not worth the risk, I wouldn't dare go for a night out down there, and neither would my son!

Used to love going to clubs like Berlins back in the late 90's, Bournemouth was a safe place to go out back then.

Not now, he'd rather go to an "oldskool" warehouse party reunion elsewhere in the country.
You obviously took to many "trips" to Berlins, you're now suffering from paranoia!

What do you think will happen to you if you went down town now? Get mugged by someone in a Spider-Man costume? Berlins wasn't exactly trouble free.
[quote][p][bold]Bournesouthmouth Downpokes[/bold] wrote: Good riddance, I put it down to the violent chavs that run rampant. Not worth the risk, I wouldn't dare go for a night out down there, and neither would my son! Used to love going to clubs like Berlins back in the late 90's, Bournemouth was a safe place to go out back then. Not now, he'd rather go to an "oldskool" warehouse party reunion elsewhere in the country.[/p][/quote]You obviously took to many "trips" to Berlins, you're now suffering from paranoia! What do you think will happen to you if you went down town now? Get mugged by someone in a Spider-Man costume? Berlins wasn't exactly trouble free. ragj195
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6:19am Fri 25 Jan 13

guisselle says...

rayc wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
Any advice how I could go about that without paying a large amount of it to the Chancellor?
My Father did equity release and after
mum died sold the family home and
we have no idea where the money
went. Sadly he died at aged 89 and
he bitterly regretted taking out the
equity. I think Palmer and Snell
benefited!
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]Any advice how I could go about that without paying a large amount of it to the Chancellor?[/p][/quote]My Father did equity release and after mum died sold the family home and we have no idea where the money went. Sadly he died at aged 89 and he bitterly regretted taking out the equity. I think Palmer and Snell benefited! guisselle
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3:00pm Fri 25 Jan 13

KerriR says...

Two less places for people to get drunk/puke/fight and generally be obnoxious.
I used to go out in Bournemouth but it's turned into a town full of chavs and trouble.
Two less places for people to get drunk/puke/fight and generally be obnoxious. I used to go out in Bournemouth but it's turned into a town full of chavs and trouble. KerriR
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3:44pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Martinesque says...

J Swain wrote:
Brink back Richard Carr he filled the bars before all is forgiven he still has Millions to invest
Yeah, cause we really need more identikit cheesy nightclubs.....
[quote][p][bold]J Swain[/bold] wrote: Brink back Richard Carr he filled the bars before all is forgiven he still has Millions to invest[/p][/quote]Yeah, cause we really need more identikit cheesy nightclubs..... Martinesque
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5:57pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Dibbles2 says...

J Swain wrote:
Well we all love to hate Carr but he was responsible for both of these venues creation and they have gone downhill since he went bust so RIP.
He got rid of them because he was going bust so hats off to the others for keeping it going for so after Carrs demise.
[quote][p][bold]J Swain[/bold] wrote: Well we all love to hate Carr but he was responsible for both of these venues creation and they have gone downhill since he went bust so RIP.[/p][/quote]He got rid of them because he was going bust so hats off to the others for keeping it going for so after Carrs demise. Dibbles2
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6:04pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Dibbles2 says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Word on the street is one of these will be back up & running by next weekend after some internal structure/refurb work - not sure how true it is.

Anyhow, plenty of folk out of work because of this at what is already a tough time.
Also, those rejoicing in the closures are a little short-sighted. Bournemouth is now firmly established as a drinking/stag & hen/party location and this Summer will see similar numbers arrive at weekends & similar numbers of uni students during the week.
These people are still going to "bar-crawl". The only difference being they will now be even more concentrated around the venues still open which to my mind increases the possibility of trouble.

Having said that, trouble in town is rare when you consider the numbers we get at weekends. Somebody on here has already stated the point that you don't get families or shoppers being attacked by drunks in Bournemouth, you just get the drinkers having fisticuffs between themselves just like in any other town in the UK on any given weekend.
HMMMMMM strange because Yellow Hammer Bars have vacated their offices. They owe businesses in Bournemouth vast amounts of money. I cant believe anyone was surpised as its been on the cards for well over a year as was HMV. I always find it strange that those at the top always still manage to maintain their lives of luxury Carr included whilst small businesses suffer.
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Word on the street is one of these will be back up & running by next weekend after some internal structure/refurb work - not sure how true it is. Anyhow, plenty of folk out of work because of this at what is already a tough time. Also, those rejoicing in the closures are a little short-sighted. Bournemouth is now firmly established as a drinking/stag & hen/party location and this Summer will see similar numbers arrive at weekends & similar numbers of uni students during the week. These people are still going to "bar-crawl". The only difference being they will now be even more concentrated around the venues still open which to my mind increases the possibility of trouble. Having said that, trouble in town is rare when you consider the numbers we get at weekends. Somebody on here has already stated the point that you don't get families or shoppers being attacked by drunks in Bournemouth, you just get the drinkers having fisticuffs between themselves just like in any other town in the UK on any given weekend.[/p][/quote]HMMMMMM strange because Yellow Hammer Bars have vacated their offices. They owe businesses in Bournemouth vast amounts of money. I cant believe anyone was surpised as its been on the cards for well over a year as was HMV. I always find it strange that those at the top always still manage to maintain their lives of luxury Carr included whilst small businesses suffer. Dibbles2
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6:06pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Dibbles2 says...

ragj195 wrote:
Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
Good riddance, I put it down to the violent chavs that run rampant. Not worth the risk, I wouldn't dare go for a night out down there, and neither would my son!

Used to love going to clubs like Berlins back in the late 90's, Bournemouth was a safe place to go out back then.

Not now, he'd rather go to an "oldskool" warehouse party reunion elsewhere in the country.
You obviously took to many "trips" to Berlins, you're now suffering from paranoia!

What do you think will happen to you if you went down town now? Get mugged by someone in a Spider-Man costume? Berlins wasn't exactly trouble free.
Spot on Berlins had a terrible reputation and was riddled with drugs.
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournesouthmouth Downpokes[/bold] wrote: Good riddance, I put it down to the violent chavs that run rampant. Not worth the risk, I wouldn't dare go for a night out down there, and neither would my son! Used to love going to clubs like Berlins back in the late 90's, Bournemouth was a safe place to go out back then. Not now, he'd rather go to an "oldskool" warehouse party reunion elsewhere in the country.[/p][/quote]You obviously took to many "trips" to Berlins, you're now suffering from paranoia! What do you think will happen to you if you went down town now? Get mugged by someone in a Spider-Man costume? Berlins wasn't exactly trouble free.[/p][/quote]Spot on Berlins had a terrible reputation and was riddled with drugs. Dibbles2
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9:14pm Fri 25 Jan 13

MrPitiful says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
Word on the street is one of these will be back up & running by next weekend after some internal structure/refurb work - not sure how true it is.

Anyhow, plenty of folk out of work because of this at what is already a tough time.
Also, those rejoicing in the closures are a little short-sighted. Bournemouth is now firmly established as a drinking/stag & hen/party location and this Summer will see similar numbers arrive at weekends & similar numbers of uni students during the week.
These people are still going to "bar-crawl". The only difference being they will now be even more concentrated around the venues still open which to my mind increases the possibility of trouble.

Having said that, trouble in town is rare when you consider the numbers we get at weekends. Somebody on here has already stated the point that you don't get families or shoppers being attacked by drunks in Bournemouth, you just get the drinkers having fisticuffs between themselves just like in any other town in the UK on any given weekend.
HMMMMMM strange because Yellow Hammer Bars have vacated their offices. They owe businesses in Bournemouth vast amounts of money. I cant believe anyone was surpised as its been on the cards for well over a year as was HMV. I always find it strange that those at the top always still manage to maintain their lives of luxury Carr included whilst small businesses suffer.
Yellow Hammer HQ is based up in Gloucestershire. They are still trading from the offices with what I believe is a full compliment of staff. The cuts are apparentlyinvolving certain venues in their portfolio that aren't coining it in as much as some of the others. They actually reported an operating profit last year despite a drop in figures etc.

I don't know of any suppliers or businesses they owe vast amounts of money to - in fact, the several small businesses/suppliers I do know of who deal with them regulalrly have advised me of no aparent problems at all & the closures are a bit of a shock to them.

Guess we'll have to see what happens!
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Word on the street is one of these will be back up & running by next weekend after some internal structure/refurb work - not sure how true it is. Anyhow, plenty of folk out of work because of this at what is already a tough time. Also, those rejoicing in the closures are a little short-sighted. Bournemouth is now firmly established as a drinking/stag & hen/party location and this Summer will see similar numbers arrive at weekends & similar numbers of uni students during the week. These people are still going to "bar-crawl". The only difference being they will now be even more concentrated around the venues still open which to my mind increases the possibility of trouble. Having said that, trouble in town is rare when you consider the numbers we get at weekends. Somebody on here has already stated the point that you don't get families or shoppers being attacked by drunks in Bournemouth, you just get the drinkers having fisticuffs between themselves just like in any other town in the UK on any given weekend.[/p][/quote]HMMMMMM strange because Yellow Hammer Bars have vacated their offices. They owe businesses in Bournemouth vast amounts of money. I cant believe anyone was surpised as its been on the cards for well over a year as was HMV. I always find it strange that those at the top always still manage to maintain their lives of luxury Carr included whilst small businesses suffer.[/p][/quote]Yellow Hammer HQ is based up in Gloucestershire. They are still trading from the offices with what I believe is a full compliment of staff. The cuts are apparentlyinvolving certain venues in their portfolio that aren't coining it in as much as some of the others. They actually reported an operating profit last year despite a drop in figures etc. I don't know of any suppliers or businesses they owe vast amounts of money to - in fact, the several small businesses/suppliers I do know of who deal with them regulalrly have advised me of no aparent problems at all & the closures are a bit of a shock to them. Guess we'll have to see what happens! MrPitiful
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7:39pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Mike Pickering says...

It's as much a generational as an economic measure; the people who would spend all their disposable income on gaudy, boozy nights out at places like this and whose cash fuelled the openings of places like this at that time are now in their late 20s and early 30s, and have have enough of that life. As well as many of them having children, settling down, etc. The newer generation naturally need to distance themselves culturally from it, and many don't dress think or drink like them. Unchanged, of course, are the deliquent armies of chavs who've looked, spoken and acted the same since the 80s - sports gear, mush, foightin' - goo arn, nen - mesh - less ave ya. Unchaged and unchanging, the flotsam of the sink estates has always drifted into the town center, making up 5% of the footfall but responsible for 50% of the fights, 90% of which they start. You can spot them a mile off. Hooray students might be rude and thoughtless, people dressed up like firemen or scooby doo might have sick on them and chant nonsense, but what anyone who has ever been out regularly in the town over the last 30 years can tell you is that what you have to watch for are the younger locals whose world and outlook consists of their status within a few streets' radius which they attain and maintain with reputations for violence when in town, attacking people they perceive as middle-class, office workers, students, tourists.
As was ever thus, in pubs, discos, on the beach, in the gardens, even in the old Ice Rink this crude pantomime took place.
I, is talkin to you, mush - why int you luckin at me, mush, eh ? eh? What you lookin at, mush ?
et cetera, et bloddy cetera.
It's as much a generational as an economic measure; the people who would spend all their disposable income on gaudy, boozy nights out at places like this and whose cash fuelled the openings of places like this at that time are now in their late 20s and early 30s, and have have enough of that life. As well as many of them having children, settling down, etc. The newer generation naturally need to distance themselves culturally from it, and many don't dress think or drink like them. Unchanged, of course, are the deliquent armies of chavs who've looked, spoken and acted the same since the 80s - sports gear, mush, foightin' - goo arn, nen - mesh - less ave ya. Unchaged and unchanging, the flotsam of the sink estates has always drifted into the town center, making up 5% of the footfall but responsible for 50% of the fights, 90% of which they start. You can spot them a mile off. Hooray students might be rude and thoughtless, people dressed up like firemen or scooby doo might have sick on them and chant nonsense, but what anyone who has ever been out regularly in the town over the last 30 years can tell you is that what you have to watch for are the younger locals whose world and outlook consists of their status within a few streets' radius which they attain and maintain with reputations for violence when in town, attacking people they perceive as middle-class, office workers, students, tourists. As was ever thus, in pubs, discos, on the beach, in the gardens, even in the old Ice Rink this crude pantomime took place. I, is talkin to you, mush - why int you luckin at me, mush, eh ? eh? What you lookin at, mush ? et cetera, et bloddy cetera. Mike Pickering
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2:54pm Mon 28 Jan 13

jane05901 says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
It really does astound me that nobody has commented on the people who have lost their jobs. Those are the people who spend money in th local economy and without our pubs and clubs Bournemouth would undoubtedly become a ghost town whilst it took years to regenerate. Dont bite the hand that feeds you people. Whether you like it or not there are thousands of people in Poole and Bournemouth whos jobs are teetering on a knife edge in the current economic climate and that just in this industry. Some staff havent been paid for weeks, bills are not being paid, closures like this also put other companies out of business. But as long your alright jack!
Couldn't agree more with this!!! Closing 2 bars in Bournemouth is not going to change the way the town centre is, nor is it going to change the way it operates, it will simply move the 'trouble ' elsewhere.

YHB is still up and running and are still trading more then 10 venues so people suggesting the whole company has gone have absolutely no proof so are literally just making things up. The truth is, nobody actually knows what is going on, not the echo, none of you guys. So only time will tell!!

But it is definitely not a good trait to be happy because of someone else's misery or kick people when they are down.
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: It really does astound me that nobody has commented on the people who have lost their jobs. Those are the people who spend money in th local economy and without our pubs and clubs Bournemouth would undoubtedly become a ghost town whilst it took years to regenerate. Dont bite the hand that feeds you people. Whether you like it or not there are thousands of people in Poole and Bournemouth whos jobs are teetering on a knife edge in the current economic climate and that just in this industry. Some staff havent been paid for weeks, bills are not being paid, closures like this also put other companies out of business. But as long your alright jack![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more with this!!! Closing 2 bars in Bournemouth is not going to change the way the town centre is, nor is it going to change the way it operates, it will simply move the 'trouble ' elsewhere. YHB is still up and running and are still trading more then 10 venues so people suggesting the whole company has gone have absolutely no proof so are literally just making things up. The truth is, nobody actually knows what is going on, not the echo, none of you guys. So only time will tell!! But it is definitely not a good trait to be happy because of someone else's misery or kick people when they are down. jane05901
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11:01pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Mr_JTS says...

tricky1007 wrote:
We went out to a lovey restaurant on Sat Called cristalla, Betweeen 3 of us we spent £200, I would never want to spend that sort of money in the town center because the bars are full of drunken idiots on either a stag/hen do, or the average age is 18! People do still have a few pennies to spend but they choose where to spend it. People with £5 in their pocket go to the bars in town, with drinks at a £1, those with £50 in their pockets spend it elsewhere!!
I'm 18 and had a £60 night in Bonsai the other night... I must be doing something wrong
[quote][p][bold]tricky1007[/bold] wrote: We went out to a lovey restaurant on Sat Called cristalla, Betweeen 3 of us we spent £200, I would never want to spend that sort of money in the town center because the bars are full of drunken idiots on either a stag/hen do, or the average age is 18! People do still have a few pennies to spend but they choose where to spend it. People with £5 in their pocket go to the bars in town, with drinks at a £1, those with £50 in their pockets spend it elsewhere!![/p][/quote]I'm 18 and had a £60 night in Bonsai the other night... I must be doing something wrong Mr_JTS
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11:59am Tue 29 Jan 13

guisselle says...

Holdenhurst wrote:
davidhaz wrote:
Not enough bars that play rock music. Its all rap and tecno rubbish or dubstep whatever. Everywhere in town is plastic and horrible. All owned by the big chains so no character. All bland and all the same. We used to have privately owned places with character. The owners played music and bands they liked, they decorated their clubs in an original way. They attracted like minded people. Different types of people went to different places. There was probably more fights then (pre-cameras) but the papers didnt moan about it so much. There was also 30% or more clubs and bars were over 21 with a dress code. Now everywheres so desperate for business they let anyone in everywhere...... All the bars are focused on under 25s and all the bars and all the restaurants are owned by big chains with no character. To top it off what was £1.30 a pint when i started drinking is now £4 or more in places like bliss and chilli white. We need to close a few hotels and turn them into flats so we dont have so many cheap stag only hotels, close a few bars. Lower business rates so private owners can afford to run bars again and tell our government to stop taxing beer and gas n electricity to the point where the cost of running a business just isn't worth it then maybe we will have cheaper beer again. Vote ukip LibLabCon will just continue to leach off us until we're bankrupt just in time for the new global government to "rescue us" and take over!!!! rant over
There are still a few places that stray away from the well worn path. The Anvil and Soundcircus are both independents and cater for the rock/metal crowd. The Winchester puts on everything from Techno (which wouldn't get played in any commercial bar) through to sixties psychedelic rock and even small scale theatre. Smokin' Aces is another independent that does things it's own way. Even Sixty Million Postcards, despite being part of a chain caters to an alternative crowd with plenty of live music.
Yay! Sixty million postcards is ace!
[quote][p][bold]Holdenhurst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidhaz[/bold] wrote: Not enough bars that play rock music. Its all rap and tecno rubbish or dubstep whatever. Everywhere in town is plastic and horrible. All owned by the big chains so no character. All bland and all the same. We used to have privately owned places with character. The owners played music and bands they liked, they decorated their clubs in an original way. They attracted like minded people. Different types of people went to different places. There was probably more fights then (pre-cameras) but the papers didnt moan about it so much. There was also 30% or more clubs and bars were over 21 with a dress code. Now everywheres so desperate for business they let anyone in everywhere...... All the bars are focused on under 25s and all the bars and all the restaurants are owned by big chains with no character. To top it off what was £1.30 a pint when i started drinking is now £4 or more in places like bliss and chilli white. We need to close a few hotels and turn them into flats so we dont have so many cheap stag only hotels, close a few bars. Lower business rates so private owners can afford to run bars again and tell our government to stop taxing beer and gas n electricity to the point where the cost of running a business just isn't worth it then maybe we will have cheaper beer again. Vote ukip LibLabCon will just continue to leach off us until we're bankrupt just in time for the new global government to "rescue us" and take over!!!! rant over[/p][/quote]There are still a few places that stray away from the well worn path. The Anvil and Soundcircus are both independents and cater for the rock/metal crowd. The Winchester puts on everything from Techno (which wouldn't get played in any commercial bar) through to sixties psychedelic rock and even small scale theatre. Smokin' Aces is another independent that does things it's own way. Even Sixty Million Postcards, despite being part of a chain caters to an alternative crowd with plenty of live music.[/p][/quote]Yay! Sixty million postcards is ace! guisselle
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12:03pm Tue 29 Jan 13

guisselle says...

ragj195 wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
I don't think you understand what equity is. It's the value of your home minus your outstanding mortgage and is only worth anything if you sell your house.

If you haven't got a mortgage then releasing some equity would involve either selling your home or re-mortgaging your home and taken on the subsequent or increase in monthly premiums.

Anyone that has spent 25 years paying off their mortgage has in my eyes fully earned the value of their properties. When they purchased their property 50 years ago wages were as small as the house prices.
Equity release is not a good idea and
our family home got sold over our
heads by the greedy estate agents.
Its not just the money its the family
heritage going back to the 1920's.
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]I don't think you understand what equity is. It's the value of your home minus your outstanding mortgage and is only worth anything if you sell your house. If you haven't got a mortgage then releasing some equity would involve either selling your home or re-mortgaging your home and taken on the subsequent or increase in monthly premiums. Anyone that has spent 25 years paying off their mortgage has in my eyes fully earned the value of their properties. When they purchased their property 50 years ago wages were as small as the house prices.[/p][/quote]Equity release is not a good idea and our family home got sold over our heads by the greedy estate agents. Its not just the money its the family heritage going back to the 1920's. guisselle
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12:24pm Tue 29 Jan 13

guisselle says...

Mike Pickering wrote:
It's as much a generational as an economic measure; the people who would spend all their disposable income on gaudy, boozy nights out at places like this and whose cash fuelled the openings of places like this at that time are now in their late 20s and early 30s, and have have enough of that life. As well as many of them having children, settling down, etc. The newer generation naturally need to distance themselves culturally from it, and many don't dress think or drink like them. Unchanged, of course, are the deliquent armies of chavs who've looked, spoken and acted the same since the 80s - sports gear, mush, foightin' - goo arn, nen - mesh - less ave ya. Unchaged and unchanging, the flotsam of the sink estates has always drifted into the town center, making up 5% of the footfall but responsible for 50% of the fights, 90% of which they start. You can spot them a mile off. Hooray students might be rude and thoughtless, people dressed up like firemen or scooby doo might have sick on them and chant nonsense, but what anyone who has ever been out regularly in the town over the last 30 years can tell you is that what you have to watch for are the younger locals whose world and outlook consists of their status within a few streets' radius which they attain and maintain with reputations for violence when in town, attacking people they perceive as middle-class, office workers, students, tourists.
As was ever thus, in pubs, discos, on the beach, in the gardens, even in the old Ice Rink this crude pantomime took place.
I, is talkin to you, mush - why int you luckin at me, mush, eh ? eh? What you lookin at, mush ?
et cetera, et bloddy cetera.
Ha ha ha Mike you are spot on, it was
ever thus I'm afraid and my mother did
warn me about the outside world of
muggle country! Unfortunately the
word education does not always reach
muggle world!
[quote][p][bold]Mike Pickering[/bold] wrote: It's as much a generational as an economic measure; the people who would spend all their disposable income on gaudy, boozy nights out at places like this and whose cash fuelled the openings of places like this at that time are now in their late 20s and early 30s, and have have enough of that life. As well as many of them having children, settling down, etc. The newer generation naturally need to distance themselves culturally from it, and many don't dress think or drink like them. Unchanged, of course, are the deliquent armies of chavs who've looked, spoken and acted the same since the 80s - sports gear, mush, foightin' - goo arn, nen - mesh - less ave ya. Unchaged and unchanging, the flotsam of the sink estates has always drifted into the town center, making up 5% of the footfall but responsible for 50% of the fights, 90% of which they start. You can spot them a mile off. Hooray students might be rude and thoughtless, people dressed up like firemen or scooby doo might have sick on them and chant nonsense, but what anyone who has ever been out regularly in the town over the last 30 years can tell you is that what you have to watch for are the younger locals whose world and outlook consists of their status within a few streets' radius which they attain and maintain with reputations for violence when in town, attacking people they perceive as middle-class, office workers, students, tourists. As was ever thus, in pubs, discos, on the beach, in the gardens, even in the old Ice Rink this crude pantomime took place. I, is talkin to you, mush - why int you luckin at me, mush, eh ? eh? What you lookin at, mush ? et cetera, et bloddy cetera.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha Mike you are spot on, it was ever thus I'm afraid and my mother did warn me about the outside world of muggle country! Unfortunately the word education does not always reach muggle world! guisselle
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12:26pm Tue 29 Jan 13

guisselle says...

O'Reilly wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.
Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.
No chance baby! We are spending the inheritance.... so, do one froggie!
What have you no children to leave it
to oh how heartless?
[quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.[/p][/quote]Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.[/p][/quote]No chance baby! We are spending the inheritance.... so, do one froggie![/p][/quote]What have you no children to leave it to oh how heartless? guisselle
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12:28pm Tue 29 Jan 13

guisselle says...

MissBournemouth wrote:
Not all of us young people get drunk and get into fights, the majority of us don't it’s the minority that do spoil it so please don’t tar us all with the same brush. Im sure when you were 18-21 you were out as and when you could with your friends enjoying a night out and yes sometimes it can be noisy but give us a break we are just enjoying ourselves and making the most of our youth before we have to settle down and get in the real world.
Well said Miss Bournemouth and enjoy
being young as long as you can, once
you have a family your life isn't your
own although its rewarding to have a
family!
[quote][p][bold]MissBournemouth[/bold] wrote: Not all of us young people get drunk and get into fights, the majority of us don't it’s the minority that do spoil it so please don’t tar us all with the same brush. Im sure when you were 18-21 you were out as and when you could with your friends enjoying a night out and yes sometimes it can be noisy but give us a break we are just enjoying ourselves and making the most of our youth before we have to settle down and get in the real world.[/p][/quote]Well said Miss Bournemouth and enjoy being young as long as you can, once you have a family your life isn't your own although its rewarding to have a family! guisselle
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