Consultation over £1m grant for Ashley Road is delayed

Bournemouth Echo: GRANT: Ashley Road in Parkstone GRANT: Ashley Road in Parkstone

A CONSULTATION over how to spend £1million in grant money on Parkstone’s Ashley Road will start later than planned, locals have been told.

The Borough of Poole had expected to be consulting already over how to spend the money from the Local Sustainable Transport Fund, which is part of an £12million scheme to improve the A35 corridor through the conurbation.

Transport manager Steve Tite said the consultation had been delayed after a council committee considered criticisms of the way a road system was planned around the town’s two bridges.

“I think it’s really the select committee that has made us re-think our process to make sure we are fully engaging with the community. You haven’t missed it,” he told Newtown and Parkstone residents at an area meeting.

Cllr Brian Clements, who chaired the select committee, said: “Probably the most significant outcome from it was a view that we really have to make our planners and our highways people work very closely together to try and make sure these schemes address the needs of people.

“It’s not to be just about getting cars moving as fast as we possibly can. We have to look at pedestrian interests.”

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6:06pm Sun 20 Jan 13

dorsetspeed says...

"our process to make sure we are fully engaging with the community"

"to try and make sure these schemes address the needs of people"

I'm almost speechless, and that takes some doing I can tell you. Here's the last email I sent to Poole Council that was ignored:

Dear Xena,
Does your delay in responding mean that there is not in fact an open and properly thought out case for the bridge / road system in Poole? That the views of the public have not been properly considered? That the compromises (as there always are) have not been properly acknowledged, understood, and balanced? That there is no forward plan (costs, timescale, priorities, etc) for dealing with the compromises?
I googled “poole council bridge road” and could only find bad news.
Please, if Poole Council have done this properly, responsibly and competently, can you point me to any evidence? The lack of enthusiasm to provide it is only indicating at the moment that Poole Council have simply made this up as it went along, and what we have ended up with – an unreliable and probably incorrectly positioned bridge with traffic control an 8 year old could have designed better and a dangerous, inefficient connecting road system the inevitable result.
The sad thing is that this obviously fits with everything else, such as:
-traffic lights on Fleetsbridge roundabout that increase congestion and probably accidents, which the council lied about bringing a £300k annual saving and then covered up / ignored the complaint
-absurd speed limit reductions, speed camera installations and support of Dorset Road Safe, which no one should be in any doubt by now, is simply money making with no interest whatsoever in saving life (and hence costing life)
-on the same theme, a parking camera car introduced on the promise of protecting school zigzags and then used instead to target anything that moves – and just to provide the icing on the cake, is frequently seen parked in a “keep clear” zone near the Dolphin shopping centre.
-traffic “calming” that is a nightmare for those it was meant to protect (Sterte),
-traffic “calming” that makes the roads more dangerous (Creekmoor),
Etc etc.

How much more damage, danger and waste will we have to suffer before someone does something (I believe the buck stops with Cllr Atkinson which is why I’m now waiting for a response from her).
"our process to make sure we are fully engaging with the community" "to try and make sure these schemes address the needs of people" I'm almost speechless, and that takes some doing I can tell you. Here's the last email I sent to Poole Council that was ignored: Dear Xena, Does your delay in responding mean that there is not in fact an open and properly thought out case for the bridge / road system in Poole? That the views of the public have not been properly considered? That the compromises (as there always are) have not been properly acknowledged, understood, and balanced? That there is no forward plan (costs, timescale, priorities, etc) for dealing with the compromises? I googled “poole council bridge road” and could only find bad news. Please, if Poole Council have done this properly, responsibly and competently, can you point me to any evidence? The lack of enthusiasm to provide it is only indicating at the moment that Poole Council have simply made this up as it went along, and what we have ended up with – an unreliable and probably incorrectly positioned bridge with traffic control an 8 year old could have designed better and a dangerous, inefficient connecting road system the inevitable result. The sad thing is that this obviously fits with everything else, such as: -traffic lights on Fleetsbridge roundabout that increase congestion and probably accidents, which the council lied about bringing a £300k annual saving and then covered up / ignored the complaint -absurd speed limit reductions, speed camera installations and support of Dorset Road Safe, which no one should be in any doubt by now, is simply money making with no interest whatsoever in saving life (and hence costing life) -on the same theme, a parking camera car introduced on the promise of protecting school zigzags and then used instead to target anything that moves – and just to provide the icing on the cake, is frequently seen parked in a “keep clear” zone near the Dolphin shopping centre. -traffic “calming” that is a nightmare for those it was meant to protect (Sterte), -traffic “calming” that makes the roads more dangerous (Creekmoor), Etc etc. How much more damage, danger and waste will we have to suffer before someone does something (I believe the buck stops with Cllr Atkinson which is why I’m now waiting for a response from her). dorsetspeed

6:10pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Ebb Tide says...

Whilst we all want to see the right solution for Ashley Road (especially a solution that keeps the businesses thriving and the residents safer) no doubt someone somewhere in the locality is organising a "consultation panel" / "local forum" with the intent of assisting the Employees of the BoP in their crystallisation and procurement of the right solution without delay - money seems to evaporate too quickly these days !!

Any such local assistance would be most productive if it were provided with a timetable showing the dates for production of relevant material, the dates for local consultations and approvals and the dates for the starts and ends of the various packages of physical work.

It is hoped that the locally elected Councillors are on the case - it is suspected that they could do with some assistance in ensuring the right solution is found quickly. Total reliance upon BoP Employees (collaborating or otherwise) seems unfair since local people know about living and working in the Ashley Road area very well and that knowledge should be harnessed.

It is noted that your report gives no detail about the length of the "delay". Could it be as much as a month ??
Whilst we all want to see the right solution for Ashley Road (especially a solution that keeps the businesses thriving and the residents safer) no doubt someone somewhere in the locality is organising a "consultation panel" / "local forum" with the intent of assisting the Employees of the BoP in their crystallisation and procurement of the right solution without delay - money seems to evaporate too quickly these days !! Any such local assistance would be most productive if it were provided with a timetable showing the dates for production of relevant material, the dates for local consultations and approvals and the dates for the starts and ends of the various packages of physical work. It is hoped that the locally elected Councillors are on the case - it is suspected that they could do with some assistance in ensuring the right solution is found quickly. Total reliance upon BoP Employees (collaborating or otherwise) seems unfair since local people know about living and working in the Ashley Road area very well and that knowledge should be harnessed. It is noted that your report gives no detail about the length of the "delay". Could it be as much as a month ?? Ebb Tide

8:56pm Sun 20 Jan 13

BIGTONE says...

This story reads to me........stuff Ashley road.....we will divert funds to sort out our **** up on the twin fails project.
This story reads to me........stuff Ashley road.....we will divert funds to sort out our **** up on the twin fails project. BIGTONE

8:59pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Black Pirate says...

I think the select committee criticised the Highways Engineers for failing to consult with local people which they were told to do 2 years ago by another independent report! Makes you wonder how many independent reports the Transportation Department need to do things properly. They need to take a leaf out of how other depts like Leisure and Planning now engage with the community. I only hope they do Ashley Road properly and not waste money like up at Seaview!
I think the select committee criticised the Highways Engineers for failing to consult with local people which they were told to do 2 years ago by another independent report! Makes you wonder how many independent reports the Transportation Department need to do things properly. They need to take a leaf out of how other depts like Leisure and Planning now engage with the community. I only hope they do Ashley Road properly and not waste money like up at Seaview! Black Pirate

7:42am Mon 21 Jan 13

mmmmmmm says...

I doubt that speed safe is just about raising cash.

On Sterte road the traffic calming may be badly done but vehicles travelling at 20 mph is so much better.
I doubt that speed safe is just about raising cash. On Sterte road the traffic calming may be badly done but vehicles travelling at 20 mph is so much better. mmmmmmm

8:11am Mon 21 Jan 13

dorsetspeed says...

mmmmmmm wrote:
I doubt that speed safe is just about raising cash.

On Sterte road the traffic calming may be badly done but vehicles travelling at 20 mph is so much better.
Not according to those that live there
[quote][p][bold]mmmmmmm[/bold] wrote: I doubt that speed safe is just about raising cash. On Sterte road the traffic calming may be badly done but vehicles travelling at 20 mph is so much better.[/p][/quote]Not according to those that live there dorsetspeed

8:13am Mon 21 Jan 13

mmmmmmm says...

Are you sure?

Do the rsidents say "if only people would drive faster along this road"?

It's just badly executed,the 20 mph limit is great.
Are you sure? Do the rsidents say "if only people would drive faster along this road"? It's just badly executed,the 20 mph limit is great. mmmmmmm

9:59am Mon 21 Jan 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

What has the money from the LTSB bid for the A35 corridor to do with Ashley Rd?

The arterial routes to Bournemouth from poole are the A35 (Bournemouth Rd) and A3049 (Wallisdown Rd).

We need to stop this non-arterial shopping street being used for non-public motorised through traffic (and Winton too!).
What has the money from the LTSB bid for the A35 corridor to do with Ashley Rd? The arterial routes to Bournemouth from poole are the A35 (Bournemouth Rd) and A3049 (Wallisdown Rd). We need to stop this non-arterial shopping street being used for non-public motorised through traffic (and Winton too!). mikey2gorgeous

1:50pm Mon 21 Jan 13

dorsetspeed says...

mmmmmmm wrote:
Are you sure?

Do the rsidents say "if only people would drive faster along this road"?

It's just badly executed,the 20 mph limit is great.
... not if it doesn't work because the calming doesn't work, "They say the speed humps do not keep traffic speeds down in narrow Sterte Road, the 20mph speed limit is widely ignored"

http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/news/di
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[quote][p][bold]mmmmmmm[/bold] wrote: Are you sure? Do the rsidents say "if only people would drive faster along this road"? It's just badly executed,the 20 mph limit is great.[/p][/quote]... not if it doesn't work because the calming doesn't work, "They say the speed humps do not keep traffic speeds down in narrow Sterte Road, the 20mph speed limit is widely ignored" http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/di stricts/poole/955281 8.Sterte_residents_f ear_long_term_damage _to_homes_from_traff ic_calming/ dorsetspeed

2:05pm Mon 21 Jan 13

mikey2gorgeous says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
mmmmmmm wrote:
Are you sure?

Do the rsidents say "if only people would drive faster along this road"?

It's just badly executed,the 20 mph limit is great.
... not if it doesn't work because the calming doesn't work, "They say the speed humps do not keep traffic speeds down in narrow Sterte Road, the 20mph speed limit is widely ignored"

http://www.bournemou

thecho.co.uk/news/di

stricts/poole/955281

8.Sterte_residents_f

ear_long_term_damage

_to_homes_from_traff

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Sterte Rd needs filtered permeability - it should be closed to private motor traffic at some point along it so all rat-running traffic has to use the main roads instead. Speed humps could then be removed and local children could play safely.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mmmmmmm[/bold] wrote: Are you sure? Do the rsidents say "if only people would drive faster along this road"? It's just badly executed,the 20 mph limit is great.[/p][/quote]... not if it doesn't work because the calming doesn't work, "They say the speed humps do not keep traffic speeds down in narrow Sterte Road, the 20mph speed limit is widely ignored" http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/di stricts/poole/955281 8.Sterte_residents_f ear_long_term_damage _to_homes_from_traff ic_calming/[/p][/quote]Sterte Rd needs filtered permeability - it should be closed to private motor traffic at some point along it so all rat-running traffic has to use the main roads instead. Speed humps could then be removed and local children could play safely. mikey2gorgeous

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