New angle on making Parkstone’s Ashley Road crossing safer

Bournemouth Echo: CALL FOR CHANGE: Richard Wilson, centre, and councillors Brian Clements and Marion Poidevin at the junction CALL FOR CHANGE: Richard Wilson, centre, and councillors Brian Clements and Marion Poidevin at the junction

A RADICAL idea is being put forward in a bid to make a hectic Poole road junction safer for pedestrians.

Traders and councillors want to consider creating a “diagonal crossing” on Parkstone’s Ashley Road – along the same lines as one introduced at London’s Oxford Circus.

Many pedestrians already cross diagonally at the junction outside Waitrose, rather than wait up to three-and-a-half minutes to get across two roads.

Poole council will be consulting over how to spend £1million on improving Ashley Road under a grant intended to promote pedestrian use and public transport.

Newtown councillor Brian Clements said people crossed diagonally where Ashley Road met Richmond Road and Churchill Road, despite barriers designed to stop them doing so.

Cllr Clements said: “It’s important to recognise that the ‘desire line’ is diagonal for many people and they do it even though the crossing isn’t designed for it. The sensible thing is to make it safe for them to do that.”

He said it was vital that traders and residents were listened to when the consultation begins in the coming months.

Richard Wilson, chairman of Ashley Road Traders Association, says people were tempted to cross diagonally because the green man at each crossing was only on for around five seconds and people then had to wait a long time to cross a second crossing.

“I do think this could be made a lot safer,” he said. “You see it happening every day.

“I’ve seen a person in a wheelchair nearly get knocked over and an old lady almost get knocked over.”

Cllr Marion Le Poidevin of Branksome West ward said: “You can’t cross sides in the time the green man is on.”

She said Ashley Road’s crossings should respond quicker to pedestrians pressing the buttons to cross.

And she would like to see a 15-second countdown so people knew how long they had to cross.

Traders and councillors also want action over the widely-flouted “no left turn” sign for traffic approaching Ashley Road from Churchill Road. They say it either should be enforced or scrapped.

Cllr Le Poidevin said she had raised the issue with police and the local Safer Neighbourhood Team.

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7:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Arthur Maureen says...

I live nr to this junction and applaud the plans for such a crossing, though many already adopt this practice. As both a padestrian and driver my problem is the moronic padestrians both young and old who see it is fine to cross just as the light turns green for drivers crossing this junction, thus holding up traffic / risking their lives in the process. Idiotic few, though give the wrong impression to the youngsters crossing with them.
I live nr to this junction and applaud the plans for such a crossing, though many already adopt this practice. As both a padestrian and driver my problem is the moronic padestrians both young and old who see it is fine to cross just as the light turns green for drivers crossing this junction, thus holding up traffic / risking their lives in the process. Idiotic few, though give the wrong impression to the youngsters crossing with them. Arthur Maureen

10:45am Wed 16 Jan 13

shelfstacker says...

So let's get this straight, it's being proposed that public money will have to be wasted on preventing a bunch of lazy idiots from killing themselves and those around them - brilliant!

I've lost count of the amount of times I've had to brake suddenly whilst driving along Ashley Road as some idiot wanders out in front of me, often at a casual stroll with kids trailing behind them and without a care in the world.

Old or young, these morons seem to be lacking the basic self preservation instinct mankind has relied on for the last few thousand years to get us where we are today.

In my opinion it's just another example of how our nanny state is creating a society that no longer think for itself or takes any responsibility for its own actions.

But why do we need to spend millions on helping them become more irresponsible?

So how about this for an idea. Why not use the money to employ a few crossing guards at the junction in question. They can then issue jaywalking fines to anyone who feels the need to cross before the little man goes green, or to go across the junction diagonally.

This will hopefully make these idiots think a bit harder about whether it's worth risking their lives to save a few minutes wait at the lights. .

It will also create jobs and generate a bit of revenue through fines, which can then go towards trying to smarten up Ashley Road.
So let's get this straight, it's being proposed that public money will have to be wasted on preventing a bunch of lazy idiots from killing themselves and those around them - brilliant! I've lost count of the amount of times I've had to brake suddenly whilst driving along Ashley Road as some idiot wanders out in front of me, often at a casual stroll with kids trailing behind them and without a care in the world. Old or young, these morons seem to be lacking the basic self preservation instinct mankind has relied on for the last few thousand years to get us where we are today. In my opinion it's just another example of how our nanny state is creating a society that no longer think for itself or takes any responsibility for its own actions. But why do we need to spend millions on helping them become more irresponsible? So how about this for an idea. Why not use the money to employ a few crossing guards at the junction in question. They can then issue jaywalking fines to anyone who feels the need to cross before the little man goes green, or to go across the junction diagonally. This will hopefully make these idiots think a bit harder about whether it's worth risking their lives to save a few minutes wait at the lights. . It will also create jobs and generate a bit of revenue through fines, which can then go towards trying to smarten up Ashley Road. shelfstacker

3:11pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Brian Clements says...

Shelfstacker seems to think that sitting behind a steering wheel gives him/her priority over other road users and the right to condemn them as lazy idiots, morons,etc. I doubt whether he/she is suited to driving. Get out of you car and stick to stacking shelves!
Shelfstacker seems to think that sitting behind a steering wheel gives him/her priority over other road users and the right to condemn them as lazy idiots, morons,etc. I doubt whether he/she is suited to driving. Get out of you car and stick to stacking shelves! Brian Clements

5:04pm Wed 16 Jan 13

shelfstacker says...

Brian Clements wrote:
Shelfstacker seems to think that sitting behind a steering wheel gives him/her priority over other road users and the right to condemn them as lazy idiots, morons,etc. I doubt whether he/she is suited to driving. Get out of you car and stick to stacking shelves!
Oh dear Brian, you really have missed my point haven't you! I will endevour to spell this one out for you since you seem to be having a tough time.

I'm not saying I have 'priority' over anyone on the road.

I was commenting on the fact that there are some idiots who think that it is acceptable to walk out into a busy road in front of moving traffic.

Because of these people, the council is now having to consider investing £1million plus of public money into helping prevent them getting run over, when in fact if they showed a little common sense and took a little responsibility for their own safety then there wouldn't be a problem and the money could be spent elsewhere.

Hope this helps you understand my point a little better Brian.
[quote][p][bold]Brian Clements[/bold] wrote: Shelfstacker seems to think that sitting behind a steering wheel gives him/her priority over other road users and the right to condemn them as lazy idiots, morons,etc. I doubt whether he/she is suited to driving. Get out of you car and stick to stacking shelves![/p][/quote]Oh dear Brian, you really have missed my point haven't you! I will endevour to spell this one out for you since you seem to be having a tough time. I'm not saying I have 'priority' over anyone on the road. I was commenting on the fact that there are some idiots who think that it is acceptable to walk out into a busy road in front of moving traffic. Because of these people, the council is now having to consider investing £1million plus of public money into helping prevent them getting run over, when in fact if they showed a little common sense and took a little responsibility for their own safety then there wouldn't be a problem and the money could be spent elsewhere. Hope this helps you understand my point a little better Brian. shelfstacker

6:11pm Wed 16 Jan 13

a_reasonable_person says...

Brian Clements wrote:
Shelfstacker seems to think that sitting behind a steering wheel gives him/her priority over other road users and the right to condemn them as lazy idiots, morons,etc. I doubt whether he/she is suited to driving. Get out of you car and stick to stacking shelves!
As a pedestrian in Ashley Road, I strongly welcome the idea to enable us to walk in a diagonally direction cross the junction. waiting for the traffic lights to change takes ages - definitely the priority is given to the motorist, when it should be shared with the pedstrian. Even worse in the rain. Well done to the Council who have brought this idea forward.
[quote][p][bold]Brian Clements[/bold] wrote: Shelfstacker seems to think that sitting behind a steering wheel gives him/her priority over other road users and the right to condemn them as lazy idiots, morons,etc. I doubt whether he/she is suited to driving. Get out of you car and stick to stacking shelves![/p][/quote]As a pedestrian in Ashley Road, I strongly welcome the idea to enable us to walk in a diagonally direction cross the junction. waiting for the traffic lights to change takes ages - definitely the priority is given to the motorist, when it should be shared with the pedstrian. Even worse in the rain. Well done to the Council who have brought this idea forward. a_reasonable_person

7:01pm Thu 17 Jan 13

ashleycross says...

shelfstacker wrote:
So let's get this straight, it's being proposed that public money will have to be wasted on preventing a bunch of lazy idiots from killing themselves and those around them - brilliant!

I've lost count of the amount of times I've had to brake suddenly whilst driving along Ashley Road as some idiot wanders out in front of me, often at a casual stroll with kids trailing behind them and without a care in the world.

Old or young, these morons seem to be lacking the basic self preservation instinct mankind has relied on for the last few thousand years to get us where we are today.

In my opinion it's just another example of how our nanny state is creating a society that no longer think for itself or takes any responsibility for its own actions.

But why do we need to spend millions on helping them become more irresponsible?

So how about this for an idea. Why not use the money to employ a few crossing guards at the junction in question. They can then issue jaywalking fines to anyone who feels the need to cross before the little man goes green, or to go across the junction diagonally.

This will hopefully make these idiots think a bit harder about whether it's worth risking their lives to save a few minutes wait at the lights. .

It will also create jobs and generate a bit of revenue through fines, which can then go towards trying to smarten up Ashley Road.
Funnily enough its the drivers that pedestrians see as lazy idiots.
Really nice to see councillor Clement supporting walking over driving. It really is the way forward for all ages in Poole.The car has had its day as king of the road and its good to see our councillors recognising that.
[quote][p][bold]shelfstacker[/bold] wrote: So let's get this straight, it's being proposed that public money will have to be wasted on preventing a bunch of lazy idiots from killing themselves and those around them - brilliant! I've lost count of the amount of times I've had to brake suddenly whilst driving along Ashley Road as some idiot wanders out in front of me, often at a casual stroll with kids trailing behind them and without a care in the world. Old or young, these morons seem to be lacking the basic self preservation instinct mankind has relied on for the last few thousand years to get us where we are today. In my opinion it's just another example of how our nanny state is creating a society that no longer think for itself or takes any responsibility for its own actions. But why do we need to spend millions on helping them become more irresponsible? So how about this for an idea. Why not use the money to employ a few crossing guards at the junction in question. They can then issue jaywalking fines to anyone who feels the need to cross before the little man goes green, or to go across the junction diagonally. This will hopefully make these idiots think a bit harder about whether it's worth risking their lives to save a few minutes wait at the lights. . It will also create jobs and generate a bit of revenue through fines, which can then go towards trying to smarten up Ashley Road.[/p][/quote]Funnily enough its the drivers that pedestrians see as lazy idiots. Really nice to see councillor Clement supporting walking over driving. It really is the way forward for all ages in Poole.The car has had its day as king of the road and its good to see our councillors recognising that. ashleycross

7:04pm Thu 17 Jan 13

ashleycross says...

Sorry,should say Clements not Clement
Sorry,should say Clements not Clement ashleycross

7:06pm Thu 17 Jan 13

ashleycross says...

And another thing, recommend shelf stacker gets out and walks a bit more to clear his head and cheer up a bit. endorphins from more exercise should be just what the doctor ordered.
And another thing, recommend shelf stacker gets out and walks a bit more to clear his head and cheer up a bit. endorphins from more exercise should be just what the doctor ordered. ashleycross

6:53am Fri 18 Jan 13

praelis says...

The lights in UPPER Parkstone have always been fun. especially as you get idiot drivers who dont loook at the no left turn bits and pedestrians who do cuyt straight across the middle. it has been like that for at least 30 years, so why the fuss now?
The lights in UPPER Parkstone have always been fun. especially as you get idiot drivers who dont loook at the no left turn bits and pedestrians who do cuyt straight across the middle. it has been like that for at least 30 years, so why the fuss now? praelis

3:40pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Business owner Ashley road says...

I would like to say that no one has asked me or many other business owners on Ashley Road what they would like to see the money spent on.
Why cant the green man time for crossing be lengthened to allow enough time for everyone to cross safely, it doesn't warrant £1m on a crossing!!!
Instead why don't we plant trees along the whole road, helping to reduce the pollution levels that we are all working and living in. This would also make Ashley Road a much nicer and cleaner place to shop in.
Maybe a fenced play area near the church or climbing frame would encourage families up to the high street for a coffee and a browse instead of shopping in specific shops and going straight home.
With such a huge grant please put it to good use and don't loose sight of what really matters in our small community!
I would like to say that no one has asked me or many other business owners on Ashley Road what they would like to see the money spent on. Why cant the green man time for crossing be lengthened to allow enough time for everyone to cross safely, it doesn't warrant £1m on a crossing!!! Instead why don't we plant trees along the whole road, helping to reduce the pollution levels that we are all working and living in. This would also make Ashley Road a much nicer and cleaner place to shop in. Maybe a fenced play area near the church or climbing frame would encourage families up to the high street for a coffee and a browse instead of shopping in specific shops and going straight home. With such a huge grant please put it to good use and don't loose sight of what really matters in our small community! Business owner Ashley road

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