Seven people treated after toxic gas drama at Sandbanks Hotel (From Bournemouth Echo)

Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks.

60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources.

Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

tramp_about_town wrote:
Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks. 60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources. Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

Tramp. Thanks for your comments and incite into the situation. Perhaps you should go down to the scene and avail the highly trained emergency serivces of your clearly superior knowledge of the situation.

tramp_about_town wrote:
Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks.

60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources.

Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

Give the guys and gals a break. They work anti-social hours for not a lot of money and in often very dangerous conditions.

Also, it is sad to say but because of the compensation culture in this country, the fire brigade would be the first to be bashed in this situation if anyone were to get hurt.

Please also remember that one day these same people could be the ones putting out a fire in your home or rescuing you from a car accident!!!

EdBmth wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote: Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks. 60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources. Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

Tramp. Thanks for your comments and incite into the situation. Perhaps you should go down to the scene and avail the highly trained emergency serivces of your clearly superior knowledge of the situation.

No problem. Happy to help. Unfortunately due to the 60m cordon none of them can hear me shouting as the catering wagon has been positioned at the furthest point away I can reach. Perhaps they could reposition it in future right next to the cordon and then sell bacon butties to the public and get some extra cash for a new volleyball nets or snooker table instead of buying them with taxpayers money. I think at the moment they are having a short break before moving on to pre risk assessment meeting level 6....only half way there and then we may see some action! Let's hope someone hasn't just opened the doors and windows and allowed the gas to escape as it will be such a waste of all this effort.

EdBmth wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote: Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks. 60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources. Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

Tramp. Thanks for your comments and incite into the situation. Perhaps you should go down to the scene and avail the highly trained emergency serivces of your clearly superior knowledge of the situation.

"Sodium bisulphate solution and sodium hypochlorite (bleach) from the plant equipment were mixed, giving off chlorine gas, a Dorset Fire and Rescue spokesperson said. "

I hate to say it Ed but I told you so!

I'd rather have 20 firefighters 'wasting' time and effort on this than two councillors who probably cost the same as all of them put together....

tramp_about_town wrote:

EdBmth wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote: Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks. 60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources. Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

Tramp. Thanks for your comments and incite into the situation. Perhaps you should go down to the scene and avail the highly trained emergency serivces of your clearly superior knowledge of the situation.

No problem. Happy to help. Unfortunately due to the 60m cordon none of them can hear me shouting as the catering wagon has been positioned at the furthest point away I can reach. Perhaps they could reposition it in future right next to the cordon and then sell bacon butties to the public and get some extra cash for a new volleyball nets or snooker table instead of buying them with taxpayers money. I think at the moment they are having a short break before moving on to pre risk assessment meeting level 6....only half way there and then we may see some action! Let's hope someone hasn't just opened the doors and windows and allowed the gas to escape as it will be such a waste of all this effort.

Nice retort.

Tramp what would you suggest firefighters do between shouts? Litter pick perhaps, or help old ladies across the road. They have to be on duty to go at a moment's notice. It must be as boring as hell between calls.

Mikeyunibournemouth wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:
Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks.

60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources.

Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

Give the guys and gals a break. They work anti-social hours for not a lot of money and in often very dangerous conditions.

Also, it is sad to say but because of the compensation culture in this country, the fire brigade would be the first to be bashed in this situation if anyone were to get hurt.

Please also remember that one day these same people could be the ones putting out a fire in your home or rescuing you from a car accident!!!

I think you're confusing the Fire Service with the Police, they work for rubbish money and unsociable hours... The Fire Service work nights, but guess it doesn't bother them much when they're in their beds asleep and getting paid with taxpayers money for the privilege, especially when they get up and have a full English and shower before they head off to their other jobs...

MngsMnr wrote:
Tramp what would you suggest firefighters do between shouts? Litter pick perhaps, or help old ladies across the road. They have to be on duty to go at a moment's notice. It must be as boring as hell between calls.

They should be working, am sure there's more to do in the fire service when they have no shouts... what do you think the police do in their 'spare time' between calls, sit down and watch the TV or play games or make a meal? MMMmm I suspect not... Nothing will make me agree that the fire service should have so many perks in their job, and go on strike when the world sits up and takes notice!

MngsMnr wrote:
Tramp what would you suggest firefighters do between shouts? Litter pick perhaps, or help old ladies across the road. They have to be on duty to go at a moment's notice. It must be as boring as hell between calls.

In this day and age in Dorset and other rural counties, there is no need to have wholetime crews. Inner cities such as London and Birmingham could justify wholetime to meet response times, but even then the crews should use the time wisely such as training, cleaning, preparing kit, proactive fire prevention and such like. The difference there however is that inner city crews get so many more turnouts they probably don't have the time. Unfortunately in Dorset playing Fireman Sam on the Sega Megadrive doesn't count in my mind as training!

'Unfortunately in Dorset playing Fireman Sam on the Sega Megadrive doesn't count in my mind as training!'

Now that made me laugh!

It would apear to me that being an expert on the the day to day work schedules of firemen whilst not out saving life and property is common in "Joe public" world! I am sure Tramp about town wouldn't have any spare time in his working day to spend time on a computor now would they? oh let me think!
I am very happy to have these very skilled professionals at hand and at moments notice to carryout their work on our behalf, people seem to have short memories of fire officers losing their lives in Southampton not so long ago!!

refman wrote:
It would apear to me that being an expert on the the day to day work schedules of firemen whilst not out saving life and property is common in "Joe public" world! I am sure Tramp about town wouldn't have any spare time in his working day to spend time on a computor now would they? oh let me think! I am very happy to have these very skilled professionals at hand and at moments notice to carryout their work on our behalf, people seem to have short memories of fire officers losing their lives in Southampton not so long ago!!

I've done my time refman so you'll not get away with that one!

Is it now a crime to use a computer during the day?

Trouble is I am not allowed to sleep when I am on a night shift which means I am unable to work during the day due to being tired which enables me to use a "computor".

You carry on in your own little blinkered, follow the crowd regardless of the facts world.

May I also remind you of situations such as these "highly trained professionals" leaving people to drown in a knee deep boating pond due to not being trained in rescues in water above ankle deep!

Of course you'll always back these "heroes" as that is what you are programmed to do!

Baaa baaa baaa baa baa!

Where's Joe Public World and where do I get tickets? Sounds awesome!

Dear me, anyone would think that Tramp failed his entrance exam, or his wife ran off with a fireman...!

What a bitter an twisted peice of work you appear to be, I hope you never have the need to call on this emergency service to come to your aid. I would rather have them rested and able to respond than tired and putting all of us and them at risk.
I have worked night shifts and wouldn't expect to sleep but there again I wasn't expected to put my life on the line at a moments notice to save others, but you probably do being an expert and all that but there you go no body will ever match up to you and your warped view of what is right proper and important in life or death will we.
hope you have checked your battery in your smoke alarm lately but there again you wouldn't dream of needing one or the fire service would you!!

speedy231278 wrote:
Dear me, anyone would think that Tramp failed his entrance exam, or his wife ran off with a fireman...!

It's good but it's not right!

Actually I was the one who ran off with a fireman but he left me on the grounds of Health and Safety as I refused to write a risk assessment for sliding down his pole!

refman wrote:
What a bitter an twisted peice of work you appear to be, I hope you never have the need to call on this emergency service to come to your aid. I would rather have them rested and able to respond than tired and putting all of us and them at risk. I have worked night shifts and wouldn't expect to sleep but there again I wasn't expected to put my life on the line at a moments notice to save others, but you probably do being an expert and all that but there you go no body will ever match up to you and your warped view of what is right proper and important in life or death will we. hope you have checked your battery in your smoke alarm lately but there again you wouldn't dream of needing one or the fire service would you!!

You been watching re-runs of London's Burning again refman or may Trumpton is more your level.

I'm afraid I live in something known as "the real world" and not a little bubble of heroes, magic and fairies (water fairies of course!) that you do!

The Fire Brigade Union protect their cushy shifts so they can keep their second jobs, nice shifts, perks and pensions.

Lives are not "put on the line at a moments notice" anymore. Containment and defensive strategies are the new "fire fighting".

Of course it is right to have people trained and available to put fires out but they do not need to be sat in front of a TV 90% of the time merely waiting. Stop soaking up all the PR and spin and think for yourself! You have a brain (somewhere) so use it!

Is the smoke alarm that thing I knocked of the ceiling for beeping all the time? In that case it has been ages since I checked the batteries and guess what, I am still alive and kicking!

I'm sure the trolling 'tramp_about_town' will disappear from this site once the school holidays end. Bit bored, are we?

It would seem you have inside info after all, or is it just a guess from you as to the reality of what goes on (thats my guess)
As regarding my brain I choose to use it in an intelligent way rather than in a vindictive purile manner that you choose, may I suggest a change of job as it is clearly warping your sense of reality during these day light hours!
May I also suggest you engage your brain (only for a short period) and put your smoke alarm back up but change the battery first there a good little chap, wouldn't want to be in need of the lazy chaps & chapesess to save you would we.

tramp_about_town wrote:
Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks.

60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources.

Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

I just hope you never meet the family and friends of Jim Shears and Alan Bannon Im sure they would have some very choice words for you.

s-pb2 wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:
Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks.

60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources.

Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

I just hope you never meet the family and friends of Jim Shears and Alan Bannon Im sure they would have some very choice words for you.

Why? I'm sure they both watched TV whilst on watch as crews do all over the country.

Are you saying I am lying and that no fire fighter has ever watched TV on watch, slept on a night watch, played a playstation. volleyball etc whilst on shift?

The point is that it is an archaic system that needs to move with the times but is fully protected by the FBU. Perhaps if less money was spent on crews sitting around then more could be spent on equipment, training and a proactive strategy.

Money doesn't grow on trees and it is about spending it wisely not sticking out the begging bowl every 5 minutes and moaning about lack of this and that.

Sitting in front of a TV in a mess room waiting for a fire whilst a private contracted cleaner hoovers under your feet is not a good use of tax payers money!

The Liberal wrote:
I'm sure the trolling 'tramp_about_town' will disappear from this site once the school holidays end. Bit bored, are we?

"The Liberal"..... Say no more, it's all in the name!

Not so Liberal to allow freedom of speech and respect for other people's opinions and beliefs whether you agree or not!

Liberal as long as everyone believes what you do eh!

refman wrote:
It would seem you have inside info after all, or is it just a guess from you as to the reality of what goes on (thats my guess)
As regarding my brain I choose to use it in an intelligent way rather than in a vindictive purile manner that you choose, may I suggest a change of job as it is clearly warping your sense of reality during these day light hours!
May I also suggest you engage your brain (only for a short period) and put your smoke alarm back up but change the battery first there a good little chap, wouldn't want to be in need of the lazy chaps & chapesess to save you would we.

I reckon I have a better idea than you do hence you not really knowing what goes on in reality.

You just continue believing what you read in the paper from the FBU PR machine, keep your head buried in the sand, continue paying up your taxes without question.

I hope you have checked your smoke alarm this month, had your 5 a day today, not had more than your 2-3 units a day, not exceeded your 2500 calories, not had smoked fish or bacon more than twice this week, eat your wholemeal grains, washed your hands every 5 minutes, swiped front to back not back to front, changed your pants and socks today, drunk your 8 glasses of water and completed your 30 mins of moderate exercise today.

Perhaps all the cotton wool you wrap yourself up in means you might be at a higher fire risk!

Do they do personal and portable fire alarms? Could be one for the dragons!

I never mock people who one day might save my life......karma.

O'Reilly wrote:
I never mock people who one day might save my life......karma.

Any person in this world may one day save your life from a stranger on the street to even little ole me! Who knows!

A rare person who mocks no one but me thinks your nose has grown a bit.

tramp_about_town wrote:

speedy231278 wrote:
Dear me, anyone would think that Tramp failed his entrance exam, or his wife ran off with a fireman...!

It's good but it's not right!

Actually I was the one who ran off with a fireman but he left me on the grounds of Health and Safety as I refused to write a risk assessment for sliding down his pole!

Now that did make me laugh --nice one tramp!
I think you've deflated one or two egos here today....about time someone did!
(Yeh, I know, it's my turn next...)

tramp_about_town wrote:

speedy231278 wrote:
Dear me, anyone would think that Tramp failed his entrance exam, or his wife ran off with a fireman...!

It's good but it's not right!

Actually I was the one who ran off with a fireman but he left me on the grounds of Health and Safety as I refused to write a risk assessment for sliding down his pole!

Seems as if your TV got fed up and left you; perhaps you had been boring too much!

tramp_about_town wrote:

refman wrote:
It would seem you have inside info after all, or is it just a guess from you as to the reality of what goes on (thats my guess)
As regarding my brain I choose to use it in an intelligent way rather than in a vindictive purile manner that you choose, may I suggest a change of job as it is clearly warping your sense of reality during these day light hours!
May I also suggest you engage your brain (only for a short period) and put your smoke alarm back up but change the battery first there a good little chap, wouldn't want to be in need of the lazy chaps & chapesess to save you would we.

I reckon I have a better idea than you do hence you not really knowing what goes on in reality.

You just continue believing what you read in the paper from the FBU PR machine, keep your head buried in the sand, continue paying up your taxes without question.

I hope you have checked your smoke alarm this month, had your 5 a day today, not had more than your 2-3 units a day, not exceeded your 2500 calories, not had smoked fish or bacon more than twice this week, eat your wholemeal grains, washed your hands every 5 minutes, swiped front to back not back to front, changed your pants and socks today, drunk your 8 glasses of water and completed your 30 mins of moderate exercise today.

Perhaps all the cotton wool you wrap yourself up in means you might be at a higher fire risk!

Do they do personal and portable fire alarms? Could be one for the dragons!

Oh dear did you hear the crack another rib gone, god you are so funny - not.
you fail to say how you are in possession of all this info perhaps you are the milk tray man slipping in unobserved?
I have facts due to having friends who are firemen so do us all a favour let them know your address so they don't have to bother if it goes up in flames, car reg if you are in a crash and need to be cut out or even the address where you work so if that goes up - no thinking about it you will probably work with normal people so that wouldn't be fair would it.
I suppose being the perfect citizen you clean your toilet at work in your break period, don't take a lunch hour and refuse to be paid because you don't like how your taxes are spent - thought not. We all need the fire service so get a life and stop worrying about your warped sense of reality and someone getting something you don't even if it isn't true!

tramp_about_town wrote:

refman wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:

refman wrote:
It would seem you have inside info after all, or is it just a guess from you as to the reality of what goes on (thats my guess)
As regarding my brain I choose to use it in an intelligent way rather than in a vindictive purile manner that you choose, may I suggest a change of job as it is clearly warping your sense of reality during these day light hours!
May I also suggest you engage your brain (only for a short period) and put your smoke alarm back up but change the battery first there a good little chap, wouldn't want to be in need of the lazy chaps & chapesess to save you would we.

I reckon I have a better idea than you do hence you not really knowing what goes on in reality.

You just continue believing what you read in the paper from the FBU PR machine, keep your head buried in the sand, continue paying up your taxes without question.

I hope you have checked your smoke alarm this month, had your 5 a day today, not had more than your 2-3 units a day, not exceeded your 2500 calories, not had smoked fish or bacon more than twice this week, eat your wholemeal grains, washed your hands every 5 minutes, swiped front to back not back to front, changed your pants and socks today, drunk your 8 glasses of water and completed your 30 mins of moderate exercise today.

Perhaps all the cotton wool you wrap yourself up in means you might be at a higher fire risk!

Do they do personal and portable fire alarms? Could be one for the dragons!

Oh dear did you hear the crack another rib gone, god you are so funny - not.
you fail to say how you are in possession of all this info perhaps you are the milk tray man slipping in unobserved?
I have facts due to having friends who are firemen so do us all a favour let them know your address so they don't have to bother if it goes up in flames, car reg if you are in a crash and need to be cut out or even the address where you work so if that goes up - no thinking about it you will probably work with normal people so that wouldn't be fair would it.
I suppose being the perfect citizen you clean your toilet at work in your break period, don't take a lunch hour and refuse to be paid because you don't like how your taxes are spent - thought not. We all need the fire service so get a life and stop worrying about your warped sense of reality and someone getting something you don't even if it isn't true!

ooh friends, fireman friends!

You have fireman friends? Wow! I bet they let you squirt their hoses whenever you want! Do you have a gay friend and a black friend too? What number are we up to now? 4? (I'm basing this on the fact you used firemen ergo assume plural)

Who's a popular refman! Have enough for a 5 a side team soon! I play in goal if you're hiring! I bet you used to play left back in your day (in the changing room that is!)

I shouldn't worry too much about where I get my information from as it might burst your bubble and I definitely wouldn't worry about me being involved in fires or car crashes as I imagine the police, ambulance and AA would be on scene so I'll be in safe hands. Thanks for your concern though, I'm touched you care.

Perfect citizen? Surprisingly not! I have an independent brain and have yet to be assimilated so am able to ask things called questions!

I feel for you being assimilated in to the Bournemouth "Borg" cube. What's your borg number? 1 of 4?

As a wholetime and part time firefighter(on days off) I thought it might be prudent to put right some of the inaccurate comments made.

Firstly 85% of the fire engines in dorset are crewed by part time firefighters who respond from home/work and are clearly not sat around doing nothing. These FF's give on average 120hrs a week cover and will get paid £300-£350 per month.

Wholetime firefighters spend large amounts of time training, fire safety fitting smoke alarms for at risk people, maintaining equipment, school education, working with young offenders etc. It is also worth noting that 2 of the stations in bmth respond to a larger number of incidents than 80% of the stations in London.

Dorset's part time stations are severely understaffed as it very difficult to get the right people with the right committment. The descriptions of firefighters sat around all day is simply not true, I have a one lunch break and on 13.5 hr night shifts have a stand down period between 0200-0600 but still respond to fire calls and trust me most bmth stations will be out.

Some of the remarks on here are wildly inaccurate and feel do a disservice to full time and part time firefighters across Dorset

There you go from the horses mouth!!
I rest my case so endeth my comments

Arjay wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:

speedy231278 wrote:
Dear me, anyone would think that Tramp failed his entrance exam, or his wife ran off with a fireman...!

It's good but it's not right!

Actually I was the one who ran off with a fireman but he left me on the grounds of Health and Safety as I refused to write a risk assessment for sliding down his pole!

Now that did make me laugh --nice one tramp!
I think you've deflated one or two egos here today....about time someone did!
(Yeh, I know, it's my turn next...)

Arjay
As a matter of interest, how do you come by that name? Is it a corrupt form of rim job?

scott111 im pretty confident that the majority of readers treats the guy with the verbal runs with the contempt he deserves and appreciates the work you all do in the fire service,left to his own devices he will probably extinguish himself,hopefully.

Scot111 you really need to be honest with the public and stop twisting facts.

The wholetime firefighters you mention to do with education, youth offenders, fitting smoke alarms etc are employed in that role and are not on station front line firefighters. Still on books as wholetime as are full time employees.

Retained firefighters get payment for each call whether they turnout or whether they are sat in the mess room covering a wholetime crew that is out. £300 per month? How many callouts is that minus money for training night attendance?

120hrs of cover a week? Is that cross all of Dorset? Not a lot really in the scheme of things.

Retained stations are undermanned yet your own chiefs say there is no increased risk and are being covered by firefighters from elsewhere in the County. Not really undermanned then are they.

The 2 stations in Bournemouth respond to more calls than 80% of the stations in London? Statistical spin as the other 20% are probably wholetime and the 80% you mention are quiet retained stations.

Wholetime firefighters spend a lot of time training. Not that i have ever noticed when driving passed any stations. Do you train everyday? No. Fact.

Maintenance of equipment is done by outside contractors or inhouse workshop staff and not fire fighters. Checking the flashy blue lights and air bottles morning and evening for 10 minutes doesn't count.

You get one lunch break because by law you have to have a break but that doesn't stop you from watching TV, using the gym or playing games outside that time.

Your stand down period is 0200-0600. Are you telling me that firefighters are not tucked up in bed before then? Be honest now!

"Some of the remarks on here are wildly inaccurate" Does that mean some are true then?

You have 2 jobs.

retry69 wrote:
scott111 im pretty confident that the majority of readers treats the guy with the verbal runs with the contempt he deserves and appreciates the work you all do in the fire service,left to his own devices he will probably extinguish himself,hopefully.

That's 2 sheep I've managed to count today! A few more and I might start feeling drowsy!

refman wrote:
There you go from the horses mouth!!
I rest my case so endeth my comments

Ooh friends! Fireman friends!

Scot111 could be the 5th for your little football team refman.

Ah isn't it sweet.....new friends!

baa baaa baaa baa!

tramp_about_town wrote:

refman wrote:
There you go from the horses mouth!!
I rest my case so endeth my comments

Ooh friends! Fireman friends!

Scot111 could be the 5th for your little football team refman.

Ah isn't it sweet.....new friends!

baa baaa baaa baa!

I think it's a joke what Scott has said total fabrication, and if this was a private company I wouldn't give a toss, but....it's not its tax payers money(mine and yours) and when u compare this emergency service to the others it doesn't seem fair that they have no perks like the fire service do. It's a fact that most firemen have second jobs, I don't have time for a second job but could do with the money. I just don't feel it's right to have a dated view of the fire service and it should be pulled up to the 21st century.

And back on topic, it's a farce there were 20 fire service personnel at sandbanks today, FACT!

Dear tramp-about-town

I have feeling that I will not change your view on these matters but respect your opinion as thats the point of these forums

I can only tell you what happens to me personally if you choose not to believe me then that is your choice.

In response to some of your points, the list of jobs I previously mentioned smoke alarm fitting, education visits etc are done by frontline crews whilst still remaining avaliable for call outs(the fire engine is parked outside). In Dorset there are hardly any FF's left that work non operationally these jobs are done by civilians.

With regards the hours of on call staff 120 hrs cover a week is the norm some a little bit less but for less pay, 120 hours out of 168hrs in a week is quite a large committment dont you think?

London Fire Brigade has no part time stations so the statistics I quote are based on wholetime stations. I would be more than happy to send you copies of the figures I use which came from London Fire Brigade themselves.

You are correct I do have two jobs but im not sure what is illegal or immorale about that. Years ago when I left the army I worked full time in a factory then part time in pub to make some extra money surely there is no problem with that.

You are right in the respect of health and safety gone mad and I agree with you, water rescues are excellent example of this, but surely that is complaint that should be directed towards management not the people on the ground like me who are just doing what they are told.

I am more than happy to try arrange a visit for yourself to a local station so you can see in more detail what goes on.

Thanks

tramp_about_town wrote:

refman wrote:
There you go from the horses mouth!!
I rest my case so endeth my comments

Ooh friends! Fireman friends!

Scot111 could be the 5th for your little football team refman.

Ah isn't it sweet.....new friends!

baa baaa baaa baa!

If you woke up this morning with the intention of showing everyone how much of a muppet you are you have certainly succeeded.

As a retained firefighter in the north of the county, we are under staffed on average there are two appliances off the run (not enough people to respond with it). We do not sit in the mess waiting for calls. Like all retained we respond from home maybe one or two stations with retained and whole time on a station will you find retained on station but they are they to provide fire cover while the wholetime are at an incident.

We drill once a week for 3 hours. This maybe in the drill yard or in the lecture room with presentations, hey we can't crash trains in the yard or cut cars up every week!

I am contracted to give 90hrs a week, I give at least 119hrs so 29hrs 'free' to service.

What do people want from the service? A fire appliance responding within a minute of your fire call being received but crews sat on station? Or waiting 5 minutes for the appliance to leave the station while the crew turns out but not sat around on station and can cost less to run?

Thanks Scot111

Glad you've got the time to arrange a visit for me but unfortunately I'm too busy.

I've just checked and I must concede that LFB do not operate an RDS however I would still put your figures down to statistical spin considering LFB have approx 4 times total number of fire stations in Dorset (19 retained and only 7 wholetime) and yet LFB attend 10 times more callouts than Dorset across the service (Figures taken from 2011-2012 DCLG)

If the 120hrs is total cover per week then what does that equate to per person per week based on 368 retained crew in Dorset?

Nothing wrong with having 2 jobs but you have to admit that a lot of fire fighters are only able to run their own businesses or hold down 2nd full time jobs due to the shift patterns. If those shift patterns changed then those 2nd jobs get lost and therefore it is a strong reason by the FBU to refuse proposed shift pattern changes and not entirely to do with "danger to the public". When there are threats to strike part of the reason is to protect the second income culture in the Fire Service.

It's a slap in the face to many people who have been made redundant or lost pension perks due to having to move with the times (regardless of whether it is the right change) and yet the Fire Service protect an archaic system allowing them to have 2 incomes and pensions.

The system will never change even though it could improve fire safety the FBU hold everyone over a barrel with the threat of strikes. The public have such an overinflated opinion of what actually happens within the Fire service (see the sheep's earlier posts) which has been driven by the FBU PR machine to get the public on side and increase the pressure on decision makers not to rock the boat and change shift patterns.

Public money could be far better spent but the FBU don't care about that.

The sooner the flock wake up the sooner things will change.

Dorset Mitch wrote:
As a retained firefighter in the north of the county, we are under staffed on average there are two appliances off the run (not enough people to respond with it). We do not sit in the mess waiting for calls. Like all retained we respond from home maybe one or two stations with retained and whole time on a station will you find retained on station but they are they to provide fire cover while the wholetime are at an incident.

We drill once a week for 3 hours. This maybe in the drill yard or in the lecture room with presentations, hey we can't crash trains in the yard or cut cars up every week!

I am contracted to give 90hrs a week, I give at least 119hrs so 29hrs 'free' to service.

What do people want from the service? A fire appliance responding within a minute of your fire call being received but crews sat on station? Or waiting 5 minutes for the appliance to leave the station while the crew turns out but not sat around on station and can cost less to run?

There is the spin again!

You are contracted to be on call for 90 hours a week which is far different from being on station 90 hours per week. The 29 hours isn't really free as it you turnout during those 29hours extra you receive payment.

People want a modern, dynamic and flexible service as opposed to a supposedly modern service on the surface but an out of date system behind the scenes.

The public are going to catch on soon enough and then the fall from favour is going to be catastrophic!

Right or wrong,tramp_about town is fully entitled to make a comment,too many on here do not like free speech,and if they disagree with someones comments,they then report it to the echo.Slam the comments if you do not like them but NOT the commenter.

tbpoole wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:

refman wrote:
There you go from the horses mouth!!
I rest my case so endeth my comments

Ooh friends! Fireman friends!

Scot111 could be the 5th for your little football team refman.

Ah isn't it sweet.....new friends!

baa baaa baaa baa!

If you woke up this morning with the intention of showing everyone how much of a muppet you are you have certainly succeeded.

Thanks Kermit!

If only Shaun the sheep was a muppet! Be far more fitting for you!

baa baa baaaaaa!

tramp_about_town wrote:

Dorset Mitch wrote:
As a retained firefighter in the north of the county, we are under staffed on average there are two appliances off the run (not enough people to respond with it). We do not sit in the mess waiting for calls. Like all retained we respond from home maybe one or two stations with retained and whole time on a station will you find retained on station but they are they to provide fire cover while the wholetime are at an incident.

We drill once a week for 3 hours. This maybe in the drill yard or in the lecture room with presentations, hey we can't crash trains in the yard or cut cars up every week!

I am contracted to give 90hrs a week, I give at least 119hrs so 29hrs 'free' to service.

What do people want from the service? A fire appliance responding within a minute of your fire call being received but crews sat on station? Or waiting 5 minutes for the appliance to leave the station while the crew turns out but not sat around on station and can cost less to run?

There is the spin again!

You are contracted to be on call for 90 hours a week which is far different from being on station 90 hours per week. The 29 hours isn't really free as it you turnout during those 29hours extra you receive payment.

People want a modern, dynamic and flexible service as opposed to a supposedly modern service on the surface but an out of date system behind the scenes.

The public are going to catch on soon enough and then the fall from favour is going to be catastrophic!

What is a modern service? You keep stating this but provide no solutions? We (dfrs) must give cover 365 days a year 24hrs a day. Yes I turn out in my 119 hours but that is my job as a firefighter to attend calls. My station will attend about 150 calls a year, I work away from town otherwise I would give 24/7 cover.

It comes down to the fact that people ring 999 asking for the fire service and expect some people in a big red lorry to turn up the longest this will take in the county is 15 minutes. I have been on jobs where the ambulance has taken over a hour (RTC) do you want this for the fire service as that will happen if appliances are removed.

Dorset Mitch wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:

Dorset Mitch wrote:
As a retained firefighter in the north of the county, we are under staffed on average there are two appliances off the run (not enough people to respond with it). We do not sit in the mess waiting for calls. Like all retained we respond from home maybe one or two stations with retained and whole time on a station will you find retained on station but they are they to provide fire cover while the wholetime are at an incident.

We drill once a week for 3 hours. This maybe in the drill yard or in the lecture room with presentations, hey we can't crash trains in the yard or cut cars up every week!

I am contracted to give 90hrs a week, I give at least 119hrs so 29hrs 'free' to service.

What do people want from the service? A fire appliance responding within a minute of your fire call being received but crews sat on station? Or waiting 5 minutes for the appliance to leave the station while the crew turns out but not sat around on station and can cost less to run?

There is the spin again!

You are contracted to be on call for 90 hours a week which is far different from being on station 90 hours per week. The 29 hours isn't really free as it you turnout during those 29hours extra you receive payment.

People want a modern, dynamic and flexible service as opposed to a supposedly modern service on the surface but an out of date system behind the scenes.

The public are going to catch on soon enough and then the fall from favour is going to be catastrophic!

What is a modern service? You keep stating this but provide no solutions? We (dfrs) must give cover 365 days a year 24hrs a day. Yes I turn out in my 119 hours but that is my job as a firefighter to attend calls. My station will attend about 150 calls a year, I work away from town otherwise I would give 24/7 cover.

It comes down to the fact that people ring 999 asking for the fire service and expect some people in a big red lorry to turn up the longest this will take in the county is 15 minutes. I have been on jobs where the ambulance has taken over a hour (RTC) do you want this for the fire service as that will happen if appliances are removed.

Well if the money was spent more wisely then there could potentially be more appliances, more retained crew and therefore reduce attendance times.

Change the shift patterns to suit the service not the Union and second job crew, stop buying new vehicles every year, reduce back office staff (it seems from the figures that firefighter numbers have dropped but civilian staff increase), cut the chiefs (how many does DFRS need!), build functional fire stations at a fraction of the cost instead of all these fancy architectural greenhouses like Weymouth, try spending some of the money squirreled away in different investments instead of begging for more each year from the taxpayers.

If people took an interest and read the annual accounts and monthly expenditure etc in the public domain they would be horrified at some of the waste!

MngsMnr wrote:
Tramp what would you suggest firefighters do between shouts? Litter pick perhaps, or help old ladies across the road. They have to be on duty to go at a moment's notice. It must be as boring as hell between calls.

When they went on strike the Army did actually suggest it was very very boring, so getting them on the street with uniform and appliance in tow helping old ladies or litter picking wouldn't be such a bad idea, Police and Ambalances are on the street with a good response tie. What is he difference.? Reduce the fighfighter numbers and bring back he soldiers to help out would actually makes sense, the firefighters would survive as its their second job anyway .

tramp_about_town wrote:

Dorset Mitch wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:

Dorset Mitch wrote:
As a retained firefighter in the north of the county, we are under staffed on average there are two appliances off the run (not enough people to respond with it). We do not sit in the mess waiting for calls. Like all retained we respond from home maybe one or two stations with retained and whole time on a station will you find retained on station but they are they to provide fire cover while the wholetime are at an incident.

We drill once a week for 3 hours. This maybe in the drill yard or in the lecture room with presentations, hey we can't crash trains in the yard or cut cars up every week!

I am contracted to give 90hrs a week, I give at least 119hrs so 29hrs 'free' to service.

What do people want from the service? A fire appliance responding within a minute of your fire call being received but crews sat on station? Or waiting 5 minutes for the appliance to leave the station while the crew turns out but not sat around on station and can cost less to run?

There is the spin again!

You are contracted to be on call for 90 hours a week which is far different from being on station 90 hours per week. The 29 hours isn't really free as it you turnout during those 29hours extra you receive payment.

People want a modern, dynamic and flexible service as opposed to a supposedly modern service on the surface but an out of date system behind the scenes.

The public are going to catch on soon enough and then the fall from favour is going to be catastrophic!

What is a modern service? You keep stating this but provide no solutions? We (dfrs) must give cover 365 days a year 24hrs a day. Yes I turn out in my 119 hours but that is my job as a firefighter to attend calls. My station will attend about 150 calls a year, I work away from town otherwise I would give 24/7 cover.

It comes down to the fact that people ring 999 asking for the fire service and expect some people in a big red lorry to turn up the longest this will take in the county is 15 minutes. I have been on jobs where the ambulance has taken over a hour (RTC) do you want this for the fire service as that will happen if appliances are removed.

Well if the money was spent more wisely then there could potentially be more appliances, more retained crew and therefore reduce attendance times.

Change the shift patterns to suit the service not the Union and second job crew, stop buying new vehicles every year, reduce back office staff (it seems from the figures that firefighter numbers have dropped but civilian staff increase), cut the chiefs (how many does DFRS need!), build functional fire stations at a fraction of the cost instead of all these fancy architectural greenhouses like Weymouth, try spending some of the money squirreled away in different investments instead of begging for more each year from the taxpayers.

If people took an interest and read the annual accounts and monthly expenditure etc in the public domain they would be horrified at some of the waste!

eight hours later he is still rabbiting on,so much for being tired?

I think all the emergency services are great, Yes they do need to save money, money is being wasted, but things are changing, (also I’m not sure where all the problems with second jobs comes in, Daily Mail reporters don’t always get the facts correct either)

I agree with tramp he has lots of statistics to back his argument up and he seems to just want a fairer service for our money.

Far too many sheep thou! With no backup for their comments.


Baabbaaaaaa.

tramp_about_town wrote:
Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks.

60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources.

Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

Tramp - You really ought to get all the facts right, my husband was one of these fire fighters and for your information the majority of the men there are retained fireman who are busy doing there day job and do this on top! For those that do this full time well all I can say is if you ever need to call a fire fighter to save one of your loved ones then I hope you remember your comments and eat your words! You nasty man, get yourself a real job like these real men and women!

Mikeyunibournemouth wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:
Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks.

60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources.

Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

Give the guys and gals a break. They work anti-social hours for not a lot of money and in often very dangerous conditions.

Also, it is sad to say but because of the compensation culture in this country, the fire brigade would be the first to be bashed in this situation if anyone were to get hurt.

Please also remember that one day these same people could be the ones putting out a fire in your home or rescuing you from a car accident!!!

Well said :)

doobiesis wrote:

MngsMnr wrote:
Tramp what would you suggest firefighters do between shouts? Litter pick perhaps, or help old ladies across the road. They have to be on duty to go at a moment's notice. It must be as boring as hell between calls.

They should be working, am sure there's more to do in the fire service when they have no shouts... what do you think the police do in their 'spare time' between calls, sit down and watch the TV or play games or make a meal? MMMmm I suspect not... Nothing will make me agree that the fire service should have so many perks in their job, and go on strike when the world sits up and takes notice!

You really have no idea what they do, a large majority of them are retained fire fighters and are therefore doing there day jobs and then having to be on call for over 120 hours a week! So when you tucked up in bed at night give a thought to these guys that are called out all hours yet still have to get up and go to there day job!!!!!

doobiesis wrote:
'Unfortunately in Dorset playing Fireman Sam on the Sega Megadrive doesn't count in my mind as training!'

Now that made me laugh!

Get a life! Where do you work Lidls!?? Jealousy will get you no where! Get a real job!

speedy231278 wrote:
Dear me, anyone would think that Tramp failed his entrance exam, or his wife ran off with a fireman...!

Hilarious!

speedy231278 wrote:
Dear me, anyone would think that Tramp failed his entrance exam, or his wife ran off with a fireman...!

Hilarious!

I really can't believe some of the comments on here! I totally agree with freedom of speech but REALLY?!

All I shall say is I hope you need to call a firefighter one day and then you can all eat your words!

DFRS and infact the FS in general amazing team, amazing job we wouldn't be here without you! x

tramp_about_town wrote:

tbpoole wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:

refman wrote:
There you go from the horses mouth!!
I rest my case so endeth my comments

Ooh friends! Fireman friends!

Scot111 could be the 5th for your little football team refman.

Ah isn't it sweet.....new friends!

baa baaa baaa baa!

If you woke up this morning with the intention of showing everyone how much of a muppet you are you have certainly succeeded.

Thanks Kermit!

If only Shaun the sheep was a muppet! Be far more fitting for you!

baa baa baaaaaa!

Like a lot of the negative posters on this site you give the appearance of being sensible and having all the answers but in reality are just content to sit on the sidelines and sneer and poke fun. The fact that your posts descend into into insults against firefighters proves this.

John T wrote:

Arjay wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:

speedy231278 wrote:
Dear me, anyone would think that Tramp failed his entrance exam, or his wife ran off with a fireman...!

It's good but it's not right!

Actually I was the one who ran off with a fireman but he left me on the grounds of Health and Safety as I refused to write a risk assessment for sliding down his pole!

Now that did make me laugh --nice one tramp!
I think you've deflated one or two egos here today....about time someone did!
(Yeh, I know, it's my turn next...)

Arjay
As a matter of interest, how do you come by that name? Is it a corrupt form of rim job?

I did 'google' the last two words in your post, but couldn't see any connection with the reason for my online name (it's simply two initials, spelt out).
Sorry I missed the point of your comment....I'm sure it was jolly clever in some modern style or another.....

Can anyone recommend a good decorator? I'd pay cash to save the vat.

I don't think you can blame the Fire Fighters themselves for the way the organisation is run. Yes they do have a fairly easy time compared to the Police and Amb service, except when the "big Jobs" happen.
However the job application was open to everyone so no point moaning because "you" could have applied.

I think the problem lies with the management, when a job happens there are so many officers present with varying coloured tabbards watching people who are watching other people. One of them even has a tabbard with Observer on it!

When an appliance is sent to a job they class that as one incident, so when 6 pumps go to the same job its classed as 6 incidents. which is why DFRS can make it look like they are busy when in reality they aren't.
The Police and Ambulance are awake 24 hrs a day dealing with in excess of 350 incidents a day without having to send numerous "officers" to watch their staff perform their duties.
Amb and Police frontline personnel are able to make decisions for themselves as they have the trust of their management.
Maybe the DFRS crews could start attending medical emergencies? The Amb service are very short staffed, over worked and would probably appreciate the help. I'm pretty sure the DFRS crews would like to help too. ( i know the rural retained stations assist with co-responding already)
I have every respect for FF's and the work they do, but the red tape and health and safety that surrounds the organisation is the thing that needs to be looked at.
All 3 emergency services work hard and deal witha lot of c##p so that you can live your life as normal and as safely as possible. Most people don't know half of what goes on out there.

Rustyfootballer wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good decorator? I'd pay cash to save the vat.

great ask , think there are a few part time painters on here !

joey_mc31 wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:
Sounds like someone might have mixed up the bisulphate and hypochlorite tanks.

60 metre cordon in place and 20 firefighters on scene!! Talk about overkill, making maximum disruption to the public an a complete waste of resources.

Still I suppose it gives them a chance to get out of the mess room and away from the TV, playstation and X-box.

Tramp - You really ought to get all the facts right, my husband was one of these fire fighters and for your information the majority of the men there are retained fireman who are busy doing there day job and do this on top! For those that do this full time well all I can say is if you ever need to call a fire fighter to save one of your loved ones then I hope you remember your comments and eat your words! You nasty man, get yourself a real job like these real men and women!

The problem with your response it is perceived emotion and not facts.

Don't moan about police you might br robbed.

Don't complain about the NHS you might get sick.

Don't say anything bad about paramedics you might need an ambulance.

And so on.

I guess that's his point. And whether I agree with him or not he has bantered very well.

Yours is just a dull "will nobody think of the children" type post.

refman wrote:
It would seem you have inside info after all, or is it just a guess from you as to the reality of what goes on (thats my guess)
As regarding my brain I choose to use it in an intelligent way rather than in a vindictive purile manner that you choose, may I suggest a change of job as it is clearly warping your sense of reality during these day light hours!
May I also suggest you engage your brain (only for a short period) and put your smoke alarm back up but change the battery first there a good little chap, wouldn't want to be in need of the lazy chaps & chapesess to save you would we.

Puerile, not purile

tramp_about_town wrote:

The Liberal wrote:
I'm sure the trolling 'tramp_about_town' will disappear from this site once the school holidays end. Bit bored, are we?

"The Liberal"..... Say no more, it's all in the name!

Not so Liberal to allow freedom of speech and respect for other people's opinions and beliefs whether you agree or not!

Liberal as long as everyone believes what you do eh!

Straw man. Where did I say you shouldn't be allowed to comment? And why should I show any respect for some of the stupidest comments ever made on this website? (And that's really saying something, believe me.)
 
Quite why you have such a chip on shoulder regarding the fire service is something only you will know.

scrumpyjack wrote:

Rustyfootballer wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good decorator? I'd pay cash to save the vat.

snigger

Which shade of red would you be needing ?

The Liberal wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:

The Liberal wrote:
I'm sure the trolling 'tramp_about_town' will disappear from this site once the school holidays end. Bit bored, are we?

"The Liberal"..... Say no more, it's all in the name!

Not so Liberal to allow freedom of speech and respect for other people's opinions and beliefs whether you agree or not!

Liberal as long as everyone believes what you do eh!

Straw man. Where did I say you shouldn't be allowed to comment? And why should I show any respect for some of the stupidest comments ever made on this website? (And that's really saying something, believe me.)
 
Quite why you have such a chip on shoulder regarding the fire service is something only you will know.

I prefer tin man but straw will do!

Quite why you have a chip on your shoulder about other people having a differing opinion than you is only something only you will know.

If being The or a Liberal means closed minded, controlled, discriminative and arrogant then I pity you. You must be very lonely.

You know it's ok for others to have a different view than you and to be able to voice it whether you believe it is stupid or not. That is what freedom of speech is.

If you want to put your view across then get off the sideline and try joining the debate rather than belittling those that are in it.

If I use commonly used colours maybe we can lose the paint cost somewhere?

If the decorator has any friends I also need the gutters cleared, some fencing replaced and some pointing done.

I'd do it myself but I work days so I cant fit it in with my job.

tramp_about_town, I would love to know what job you do/did and maybe all the Dorset firefighters would love to comment on that?
Having worked in the job for 27 years I KNOW I earned my money every year, month, week, day, hour, minute of my service.
I would have not have seen the many dead/mangle/screamin
g/horrendous bodies I have in a "normal" life, which is probably your life.
I can remember in detail (because it is something you never forget) handling or dealing with a DEAD, or badly injured body, or person, especially when they have been burnt.
I would love to meet you face to face so you could explain to me your hatred to the Fire Service.
I am married to a police officer who in different ways deals with things that the vast majority of the public never see, let alone have hands on with.
I, in life, support all those that make our life a better, safer place to live in, which includes anyone involved in the health service, armed forces and other public services.
If you want to vent your anger look at yourself or the pure greed there is in the world, especially when footballers want more than a grand a week to play their hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Judaas wrote:
tramp_about_town, I would love to know what job you do/did and maybe all the Dorset firefighters would love to comment on that?
Having worked in the job for 27 years I KNOW I earned my money every year, month, week, day, hour, minute of my service.
I would have not have seen the many dead/mangle/screamin

g/horrendous bodies I have in a "normal" life, which is probably your life.
I can remember in detail (because it is something you never forget) handling or dealing with a DEAD, or badly injured body, or person, especially when they have been burnt.
I would love to meet you face to face so you could explain to me your hatred to the Fire Service.
I am married to a police officer who in different ways deals with things that the vast majority of the public never see, let alone have hands on with.
I, in life, support all those that make our life a better, safer place to live in, which includes anyone involved in the health service, armed forces and other public services.
If you want to vent your anger look at yourself or the pure greed there is in the world, especially when footballers want more than a grand a week to play their hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What makes you assume that I did or do live a "normal" life whatever you mean by that. If you'd bothered to read an earlier post you will see that I stated that "I have done my time" and you can read in to that whatever you like.

That's part of the trouble with the fire services in that you all have an overinflated opinion of yourself and what you actually do. There are plenty of roles out there that involve seeing, dealing with or being immersed in situations that many people don't get to experience but may i clarify it is not just isolated to the fire service.

Do you think you are better than the police or ambulance service? It seems that it the case which is why you think you deserve all the perks.

Why does disagreeing to wholetime firefighters in Dorset mean I hate the fire service or mean I do not support lifesavers? Just because the fire service at times have to do a difficult job it doesn't mean the public should write a blank cheque and turn a blind eye to the waste when the rest of the country struggles.

I have the utmost respect for those who work in tough environments and that includes elements of the fire services across the country but I wholly disagree with wholetime stations in Dorset and other rural counties, the undeniable waste of public funds and the "one size fits all" approach that the FBU bully boys apply to the perks across the whole country.

If it wasn't for the fire service adopting the "rescue" role it would be dead and buried by now. It's interesting to know that many organisations such as cave rescue teams won't call the fire and "rescue" services as they just get in the way. Plenty of specialist rescue teams out there who VOLUNTEER to do this tough work to get the job done quickly and efficiently without the need for the fire service.

Leave the rescues to the specialists and leave the fires to the fire service which leads to a retained system only, less admin staff, more appliances at more locations, better response times, more lives saved and better value for the public.

tramp_about_town wrote:

Judaas wrote:
tramp_about_town, I would love to know what job you do/did and maybe all the Dorset firefighters would love to comment on that?
Having worked in the job for 27 years I KNOW I earned my money every year, month, week, day, hour, minute of my service.
I would have not have seen the many dead/mangle/screamin


g/horrendous bodies I have in a "normal" life, which is probably your life.
I can remember in detail (because it is something you never forget) handling or dealing with a DEAD, or badly injured body, or person, especially when they have been burnt.
I would love to meet you face to face so you could explain to me your hatred to the Fire Service.
I am married to a police officer who in different ways deals with things that the vast majority of the public never see, let alone have hands on with.
I, in life, support all those that make our life a better, safer place to live in, which includes anyone involved in the health service, armed forces and other public services.
If you want to vent your anger look at yourself or the pure greed there is in the world, especially when footballers want more than a grand a week to play their hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What makes you assume that I did or do live a "normal" life whatever you mean by that. If you'd bothered to read an earlier post you will see that I stated that "I have done my time" and you can read in to that whatever you like.

That's part of the trouble with the fire services in that you all have an overinflated opinion of yourself and what you actually do. There are plenty of roles out there that involve seeing, dealing with or being immersed in situations that many people don't get to experience but may i clarify it is not just isolated to the fire service.

Do you think you are better than the police or ambulance service? It seems that it the case which is why you think you deserve all the perks.

Why does disagreeing to wholetime firefighters in Dorset mean I hate the fire service or mean I do not support lifesavers? Just because the fire service at times have to do a difficult job it doesn't mean the public should write a blank cheque and turn a blind eye to the waste when the rest of the country struggles.

I have the utmost respect for those who work in tough environments and that includes elements of the fire services across the country but I wholly disagree with wholetime stations in Dorset and other rural counties, the undeniable waste of public funds and the "one size fits all" approach that the FBU bully boys apply to the perks across the whole country.

If it wasn't for the fire service adopting the "rescue" role it would be dead and buried by now. It's interesting to know that many organisations such as cave rescue teams won't call the fire and "rescue" services as they just get in the way. Plenty of specialist rescue teams out there who VOLUNTEER to do this tough work to get the job done quickly and efficiently without the need for the fire service.

Leave the rescues to the specialists and leave the fires to the fire service which leads to a retained system only, less admin staff, more appliances at more locations, better response times, more lives saved and better value for the public.

Its quite clear you applied and failed to get in the job, which seems to me totally the right decision!!!

Judaas wrote:

tramp_about_town wrote:

Judaas wrote:
tramp_about_town, I would love to know what job you do/did and maybe all the Dorset firefighters would love to comment on that?
Having worked in the job for 27 years I KNOW I earned my money every year, month, week, day, hour, minute of my service.
I would have not have seen the many dead/mangle/screamin



g/horrendous bodies I have in a "normal" life, which is probably your life.
I can remember in detail (because it is something you never forget) handling or dealing with a DEAD, or badly injured body, or person, especially when they have been burnt.
I would love to meet you face to face so you could explain to me your hatred to the Fire Service.
I am married to a police officer who in different ways deals with things that the vast majority of the public never see, let alone have hands on with.
I, in life, support all those that make our life a better, safer place to live in, which includes anyone involved in the health service, armed forces and other public services.
If you want to vent your anger look at yourself or the pure greed there is in the world, especially when footballers want more than a grand a week to play their hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What makes you assume that I did or do live a "normal" life whatever you mean by that. If you'd bothered to read an earlier post you will see that I stated that "I have done my time" and you can read in to that whatever you like.

That's part of the trouble with the fire services in that you all have an overinflated opinion of yourself and what you actually do. There are plenty of roles out there that involve seeing, dealing with or being immersed in situations that many people don't get to experience but may i clarify it is not just isolated to the fire service.

Do you think you are better than the police or ambulance service? It seems that it the case which is why you think you deserve all the perks.

Why does disagreeing to wholetime firefighters in Dorset mean I hate the fire service or mean I do not support lifesavers? Just because the fire service at times have to do a difficult job it doesn't mean the public should write a blank cheque and turn a blind eye to the waste when the rest of the country struggles.

I have the utmost respect for those who work in tough environments and that includes elements of the fire services across the country but I wholly disagree with wholetime stations in Dorset and other rural counties, the undeniable waste of public funds and the "one size fits all" approach that the FBU bully boys apply to the perks across the whole country.

If it wasn't for the fire service adopting the "rescue" role it would be dead and buried by now. It's interesting to know that many organisations such as cave rescue teams won't call the fire and "rescue" services as they just get in the way. Plenty of specialist rescue teams out there who VOLUNTEER to do this tough work to get the job done quickly and efficiently without the need for the fire service.

Leave the rescues to the specialists and leave the fires to the fire service which leads to a retained system only, less admin staff, more appliances at more locations, better response times, more lives saved and better value for the public.

Its quite clear you applied and failed to get in the job, which seems to me totally the right decision!!!

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Sorry, couldn't resist.