Signs for gun shop removed from Christchurch Quay (From Bournemouth Echo)

What is the matter with people?

Are they really so sensitive that a sign to a shop, because after all that is what it is, makes them "shocked", "disturbed" and "outraged"?

It's a shop that sells legitmate items to highly regulated, vetted and licenced people.

If it was a sign in Somalian directing people to a flat in Boscombe well that would be different but it isn't.

Shooting is an Olympic sport for heaven's sake! A local lad who won gold for shooting- gulp, with a gun - was on TV this week in Superstars on family primetime on the BBC.

Guess what? The same programme had bows and arrows. Oh the horror!

Will nobody think of the children?

All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns.
Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

upyourpipe wrote:
All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns.
Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

Utter, utter rubbish.

upyourpipe wrote:
All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns.
Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

Explain the process around buying a weapon legitmately.

You know, seeing as it is "all too easy".

I suppose I just walk into a shop and ask for one? Maybe have to show some i.d. and bob's you uncle? Hmm?

upyourpipe wrote:
All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns. Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

And with the above you demonstrate just how little you know about obtaining a shotgun certificate or firearms certificate. Hint: - it's not easy!

Tell you what - Why don't you apply for a firearms certificate and let us all know how you get on....

upyourpipe wrote:
All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns.
Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

Is this comment meant to be tongue in cheek or are you for real?

If they didnt have permission to put it there then it's academic really, isnt it? If they applied for permission to advertise then you can have the firearms debate.

What the hell is wrong with our country!?
People get killed by cars every day, you don't see billboards advertising cars being pulled down.

It takes months and months of vetting and process to obtain a shotgun or firearms certificate.

I really wish the fire arms shop would take out an advert on one of those 30ft advertising billboards... Then we'll see who is outraged, offended etc!

Honestly, this story is hilarious. People of Poole are so sensitive & middle class British it's actually painful.

"CONTROVERSIAL signs advertising guns at Christchurch Quay have been removed following concerns. "

So why show the full sign on this website if it causes concern?

Nice advert Echo................

I'm sorry but this is just the most silliest thing I have ever read, I don't normally feel the need to comment but really its just a poster.. yes I understand guns kill people in the wrong hands but so do cars for crying out loud. and all this stuff about America .... were not America you should be more worried about the amount of knife crime in the uk.

Setting the issue of permission to advertise there aside, the whole thing is ridiculous.

Not so long ago I walked into sainsburys to see a great big advertising feature for the new Call of Duty game with a picture of a man toting a pistol in each hand.

No one batted an eyelid.

Walk into Christchurch an you'll often see adverts on a whacking great billboard of the latest action movie/video game with characters often toting assault rifles/pistols etc.

And no one batts an eyelid.

A local company places an advertisement displaying a rifle (an air rifle no less) and we get people up in arms (no pun intended).

Bonkers!

upyourpipe wrote:
All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns.
Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

I've read some utter rubbish in my time, but this just about takes the biscuit.
Does this commentator actually post claptrap like this for real, or for a joke, or a bet?
I would pay £10,000 to a charity of your choice to see you "easily go and buy a leathal weapon from the high street", as you claim it to be such an easy process.
Well, news for you...
Unlike the US, where checks are nowhere near as comprehensive, or in-depth, the application process here in the UK is a whole different ball game. It takes, on average, 3 months (at least) of very in-depth background checks, including medical, employer, etc., plus a whole heap of others like ANY offence ever committed IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE (even if it's just a traffic offence), and most importantly, the applicant must show a "need" or "requirement" to own a firearm, such as belonging to a registered gun club, being a recognised sports shooter - Dorset has more than one Olympic standard 12-gauge shooter - and even then, the gun club/instructor is interviewed as to the applicant's skill, attitude and commitment.
Then, the applicant has to have a BS Standards approved gun safe, with more deadlocks on it than Alcatraz, bolted to a masonry part of their house, in an area of the house where guests or visitors would not normally frequent.
Then and only then, will the firewarms officer write a report for the Chief Constable to consider the application based on the Firearms Officer's report. They can refuse one on absolutely any grounds that they consider a risk. Any historical offence that has caused a custodial sentence for 3 months or more, automatically disqualifies an applicant FOR LIFE.
Licences must be renewed every 5 years, and any single incident which brings the licence holders fitness to hold such into question, permits the Police to confiscate any guns immediately. Random checks can be done on any premises too, to ensure compliance with gun safe procedures.
Dorset Police also go one step further than the Law, in insisting that ammunition is held separately in another safe, away from the gun safe.
So, YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I can only put such ill-informed ignorance down to trolling, or trying to deliberately get gun owners' back up through such inane twaddle.

It would seem that 'upyourpipe' has'nt worked out why guns have been forbidden to the average citizen (and it's nothing to do with protection of children!),

ElmerFudd wrote:

upyourpipe wrote:
All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns.
Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

I've read some utter rubbish in my time, but this just about takes the biscuit.
Does this commentator actually post claptrap like this for real, or for a joke, or a bet?
I would pay £10,000 to a charity of your choice to see you "easily go and buy a leathal weapon from the high street", as you claim it to be such an easy process.
Well, news for you...
Unlike the US, where checks are nowhere near as comprehensive, or in-depth, the application process here in the UK is a whole different ball game. It takes, on average, 3 months (at least) of very in-depth background checks, including medical, employer, etc., plus a whole heap of others like ANY offence ever committed IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE (even if it's just a traffic offence), and most importantly, the applicant must show a "need" or "requirement" to own a firearm, such as belonging to a registered gun club, being a recognised sports shooter - Dorset has more than one Olympic standard 12-gauge shooter - and even then, the gun club/instructor is interviewed as to the applicant's skill, attitude and commitment.
Then, the applicant has to have a BS Standards approved gun safe, with more deadlocks on it than Alcatraz, bolted to a masonry part of their house, in an area of the house where guests or visitors would not normally frequent.
Then and only then, will the firewarms officer write a report for the Chief Constable to consider the application based on the Firearms Officer's report. They can refuse one on absolutely any grounds that they consider a risk. Any historical offence that has caused a custodial sentence for 3 months or more, automatically disqualifies an applicant FOR LIFE.
Licences must be renewed every 5 years, and any single incident which brings the licence holders fitness to hold such into question, permits the Police to confiscate any guns immediately. Random checks can be done on any premises too, to ensure compliance with gun safe procedures.
Dorset Police also go one step further than the Law, in insisting that ammunition is held separately in another safe, away from the gun safe.
So, YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I can only put such ill-informed ignorance down to trolling, or trying to deliberately get gun owners' back up through such inane twaddle.

Well said

ElmerFudd wrote:

upyourpipe wrote:
All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns.
Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

I've read some utter rubbish in my time, but this just about takes the biscuit.
Does this commentator actually post claptrap like this for real, or for a joke, or a bet?
I would pay £10,000 to a charity of your choice to see you "easily go and buy a leathal weapon from the high street", as you claim it to be such an easy process.
Well, news for you...
Unlike the US, where checks are nowhere near as comprehensive, or in-depth, the application process here in the UK is a whole different ball game. It takes, on average, 3 months (at least) of very in-depth background checks, including medical, employer, etc., plus a whole heap of others like ANY offence ever committed IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE (even if it's just a traffic offence), and most importantly, the applicant must show a "need" or "requirement" to own a firearm, such as belonging to a registered gun club, being a recognised sports shooter - Dorset has more than one Olympic standard 12-gauge shooter - and even then, the gun club/instructor is interviewed as to the applicant's skill, attitude and commitment.
Then, the applicant has to have a BS Standards approved gun safe, with more deadlocks on it than Alcatraz, bolted to a masonry part of their house, in an area of the house where guests or visitors would not normally frequent.
Then and only then, will the firewarms officer write a report for the Chief Constable to consider the application based on the Firearms Officer's report. They can refuse one on absolutely any grounds that they consider a risk. Any historical offence that has caused a custodial sentence for 3 months or more, automatically disqualifies an applicant FOR LIFE.
Licences must be renewed every 5 years, and any single incident which brings the licence holders fitness to hold such into question, permits the Police to confiscate any guns immediately. Random checks can be done on any premises too, to ensure compliance with gun safe procedures.
Dorset Police also go one step further than the Law, in insisting that ammunition is held separately in another safe, away from the gun safe.
So, YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I can only put such ill-informed ignorance down to trolling, or trying to deliberately get gun owners' back up through such inane twaddle.

Very well stated.

The Echo story is very poor journalism.

I think you are all being a wee bit unfair to upyourpipe, he is not working with a script so make allowances PLEASE

Guns don't kill people.....rappers do.

I'd also like to point out that the two leaflets are from the same company... shootingandscuba.co.
uk

Surely the point is also about the unauthorised placing of the boards. Why are the council not keeping a watch for all these advertising boards put around the town without permission. The Moscow Circus in the summer was a prime example of the town being decorated in illegal advertising bill boards. There are laws governing the useage and placement of these. Surely the council should be checking and acting on this problem.

Lobo wrote:

upyourpipe wrote:
All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns. Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

And with the above you demonstrate just how little you know about obtaining a shotgun certificate or firearms certificate. Hint: - it's not easy!

Tell you what - Why don't you apply for a firearms certificate and let us all know how you get on....

Already have one, sorry to disappoint.

upyourpipe wrote:

Lobo wrote:

upyourpipe wrote: All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns. Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

And with the above you demonstrate just how little you know about obtaining a shotgun certificate or firearms certificate. Hint: - it's not easy! Tell you what - Why don't you apply for a firearms certificate and let us all know how you get on....

Already have one, sorry to disappoint.

Liar.

Misleading article and lazy journalism.

The signs were removed because the shop did not have the authority from the council to place advertising boards there and NOT because of concerns from easily scared people.

Why is it "inappropriate" exactly, for a legal, legitimate business to do this? The fact that they were not licensed to put the signs up is not the real reason they were taken down, we all know that. The nasty implication by the council is that the people who own or work at that shop share some responsibility for those events in the USA. This is totally unacceptable. It's like saying that I should feel some guilt over the Yorkshire Ripper murders because i also own a hammer.

As a Yank who lives half the year in Dorset, I have found these comments interesting, insofar as the subject is a huge one here, though on a vastly different level than in Dorset.

Let me make this one observation:

Regarding guns, our 'Pandora's Box' has been opened. We have to deal with them as a protected right under the Constitution. We cannot' put the toothpaste back into the tube', as far as guns are concerned.

You don't haver that issue.

For goodness sake, don't change that!

These signs did not have permission to be there. Remove them. Move on. And don't raise the debate to a level that excites those who might be tempted by guns.

Thank you.

Big difference between the US and the UK is (1) automatic weapons are banned (2) to get a gun licence you have to have a full background and medical reports (3) we don't have gun shows where anyone can buy a gun without any checks or licence (4) we don't have constitutional amendment that allows everyone to own a gun. (5) All firearm and C02 powered gun sales have to be done face to face by a licensed firearms dealer.

The shop has done nothing wrong or illegal. It has only put an unauthorised advert up that was removed quickly.

Seems that the Mayor and Council are jumping on a bandwagon of a tragic and terrible event that was carried out by a mentally unstable person.

I think the bandwaggon was jumped on heavily.... I don't know when the unauthorised adverts went up, but I know I've been seeing them there since late spring 2012.

No complaints, or comments, until the USA event hit the headlines.

Lobo wrote:

upyourpipe wrote:

Lobo wrote:

upyourpipe wrote: All gun shops should be closed down, no matter what the regulations are it's still too easy to buy firearms in this country, look at the state the Americans are in because of their laws regarding guns. Amazing that children are not allowed to play conkers and other childhood games because of health and safety but any of us could easily go and buy a lethal weapon from the high street, madness.

And with the above you demonstrate just how little you know about obtaining a shotgun certificate or firearms certificate. Hint: - it's not easy! Tell you what - Why don't you apply for a firearms certificate and let us all know how you get on....

Already have one, sorry to disappoint.

Liar.

Agreed.