Bournemouth ‘in need of permanent ice rink'

Bournemouth Echo: Cllr Ron Whittaker Cllr Ron Whittaker

THE popularity of Bournemouth’s temporary indoor and outdoor ice rinks clearly demonstrates the need for a permanent attraction in the town, according to a local councillor.

Independent Cllr Ron Whittaker, who has campaigned for an Olympic-sized rink at Kings Park for many years, said: “It’s all right to have fun rinks for Christmas but what we really need is a permanent rink where major events can be staged.”

Bournemouth has been without a full-sized ice rink since the one in Westover Road shut down in January 1991.

Earlier this year the tendering process for developers interested in operating a rink at Kings Park ended without generating a single bid.

The council decided to put its plans on hold until the state of the economy improves and they can go back out to the market.

In a bid to encourage developers, the council was willing to give the Kings Park site to a company prepared to build and operate a rink. The local authority had also secured outline planning permission for the site, at a cost of almost £70,000.

Cllr Whittaker said: “The popularity of the temporary rinks shows the need for a permanent facility; we would love to have it in the town centre but there are no suitable sites.

“There are good transport links to Kings Park and the council owns the site. To make it profitable we need the support of developers.”

Since the official opening of the first outdoor ice rink in the Lower Gardens and indoor rink at the BIC on December 4 nearly 10,000 skaters have taken to the ice.

Steve Piper, BH Live Director of Venues, said: “As the school holidays begin we expect even more people to enjoy this activity.”

The outdoor rink will close on January 6 while the indoor rink, also operated by BH Live, will remain open until February 24.

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1:26pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Lord Spring says...

“There are good transport links to Kings Park and the council owns the site."

2 ways in and 1 way out, come off it Ron things have changed since you lived in St Clements Road, then there was 6 ways in and out.
“There are good transport links to Kings Park and the council owns the site." 2 ways in and 1 way out, come off it Ron things have changed since you lived in St Clements Road, then there was 6 ways in and out. Lord Spring

1:37pm Thu 27 Dec 12

kayackie says...

We already had one !!!!! a brilliant facility criminally left to rot for 21 years whilst the town was crying out for a wet weather facility for holiday makers and locals!! Now the Westover Rink is massive empty gym, WHY wasnt the Westover rink kept or at least renovated to a first class ice rink?

As the excellent transport links to Kings Park - as Lord Spring says! also have the parking spaces have been removed in the park!!
We already had one !!!!! a brilliant facility criminally left to rot for 21 years whilst the town was crying out for a wet weather facility for holiday makers and locals!! Now the Westover Rink is massive empty gym, WHY wasnt the Westover rink kept or at least renovated to a first class ice rink? As the excellent transport links to Kings Park - as Lord Spring says! also have the parking spaces have been removed in the park!! kayackie

1:39pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Arjay says...

Well I'm not sure the use of the words 'ice rink' are entirely appropriate for the frozen puddle in the lower gardens.
I had thought it would be a similar attraction to the one at Winchester, but sadly 'tight wad' Bournemouth decided that a miniature version would be be 'good enough' to serve the local community.. despite that community being something over a 1/4 million folk!...
Now a permanent rink -- of a decent size -- would allow people to both discover how much fun skating on a decent sized rink can be, plus the options for figure skating competition.... and perhaps even ice hockey?
Smashing idea.....not holding my breath though......
Well I'm not sure the use of the words 'ice rink' are entirely appropriate for the frozen puddle in the lower gardens. I had thought it would be a similar attraction to the one at Winchester, but sadly 'tight wad' Bournemouth decided that a miniature version would be be 'good enough' to serve the local community.. despite that community being something over a 1/4 million folk!... Now a permanent rink -- of a decent size -- would allow people to both discover how much fun skating on a decent sized rink can be, plus the options for figure skating competition.... and perhaps even ice hockey? Smashing idea.....not holding my breath though...... Arjay

2:02pm Thu 27 Dec 12

kayackie says...

Arjay!!
We already had one!!!!!!
Arjay!! We already had one!!!!!! kayackie

2:27pm Thu 27 Dec 12

steelpaul says...

Heres an idea, put in a permanent rink, generate revenue from it through not only skating but also having events such as ice shows and an ice hockey team. Im originally from sheffield, we have 2 professional ice hockey teams up there both attracting crowds between 1500 and 8000 people, there is a temporary ice rink in Cardiff that is both for public use and is used for ice shows and a professional ice hockey team there also, its been a huge success there, I for one would love a permanent rink here in Bournemouth
Heres an idea, put in a permanent rink, generate revenue from it through not only skating but also having events such as ice shows and an ice hockey team. Im originally from sheffield, we have 2 professional ice hockey teams up there both attracting crowds between 1500 and 8000 people, there is a temporary ice rink in Cardiff that is both for public use and is used for ice shows and a professional ice hockey team there also, its been a huge success there, I for one would love a permanent rink here in Bournemouth steelpaul

2:29pm Thu 27 Dec 12

HRH of Boscombe says...

Really who votes these geriatric buffoons?
.
Yes we do need a permanent venue but what's the constant obsession with it being in Kings Park?
.
Put an outdoor one where the IMAX is with a retractable roof. Even two floors with restaurants ect underneath.
.
If the council's going to invest in one it should be in a position to benefit the economy of the town. Where are people going to go from if it's in Kings Park.
.
BBC are just a care in the community project for the pompous old goats which hold the town back. The pure ignorance is just frightening.
Really who votes these geriatric buffoons? . Yes we do need a permanent venue but what's the constant obsession with it being in Kings Park? . Put an outdoor one where the IMAX is with a retractable roof. Even two floors with restaurants ect underneath. . If the council's going to invest in one it should be in a position to benefit the economy of the town. Where are people going to go from if it's in Kings Park. . BBC are just a care in the community project for the pompous old goats which hold the town back. The pure ignorance is just frightening. HRH of Boscombe

2:34pm Thu 27 Dec 12

upyourpipe says...

Not a chance in hell, not with the geriatrics who run Bournemouth council anyway.
Not a chance in hell, not with the geriatrics who run Bournemouth council anyway. upyourpipe

2:36pm Thu 27 Dec 12

bourne free says...

IMAX
IMAX bourne free

3:23pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Telscombe Cliffy says...

I went to the one in Brighton last week. Slap bang in the centre of town, in fact in the shadow of the Pavilion-a fantastic setting. It was larger than Bournemouths and had really good food supplied by Jamie Oliver's company and also a bar and toilets within the marquees. Also if you don't skate, it is free to spectate and eat/drink and have a good time.
I went to the one in Brighton last week. Slap bang in the centre of town, in fact in the shadow of the Pavilion-a fantastic setting. It was larger than Bournemouths and had really good food supplied by Jamie Oliver's company and also a bar and toilets within the marquees. Also if you don't skate, it is free to spectate and eat/drink and have a good time. Telscombe Cliffy

3:31pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Goldbar says...

if Bournemouth Borough Council are involved it will fail just like so many of their previous F**k ups:

You keep voting these idiots in, so what do you expect - they couldn't organise a pis up in brewery !!!

you all know their high profile failures no no need to list them.

If I was running a business I wouldn't have anything to do with them the track record of BBC is shocking
if Bournemouth Borough Council are involved it will fail just like so many of their previous F**k ups: You keep voting these idiots in, so what do you expect - they couldn't organise a pis up in brewery !!! you all know their high profile failures no no need to list them. If I was running a business I wouldn't have anything to do with them the track record of BBC is shocking Goldbar

4:48pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Redgolfer says...

The Council OWN the site!!!!!!!!, no sir they are the custodians for the PEOPLE of BOURNEMOUTH who own the site and this is coming from the people who suggested, IMAX, SURF REEF, BIC with a WAVE MACHINE instead of 50 meter pool at least when Pier Approach Baths were there we had an Olympic Gold Medal Diver train there and the Ice Rink in Westover Road one Robin Cousins started there, THIS COUNSEL makes you want to WEEP.
The Council OWN the site!!!!!!!!, no sir they are the custodians for the PEOPLE of BOURNEMOUTH who own the site and this is coming from the people who suggested, IMAX, SURF REEF, BIC with a WAVE MACHINE instead of 50 meter pool at least when Pier Approach Baths were there we had an Olympic Gold Medal Diver train there and the Ice Rink in Westover Road one Robin Cousins started there, THIS COUNSEL makes you want to WEEP. Redgolfer

5:54pm Thu 27 Dec 12

MJD says...

Redgolfer wrote:
The Council OWN the site!!!!!!!!, no sir they are the custodians for the PEOPLE of BOURNEMOUTH who own the site and this is coming from the people who suggested, IMAX, SURF REEF, BIC with a WAVE MACHINE instead of 50 meter pool at least when Pier Approach Baths were there we had an Olympic Gold Medal Diver train there and the Ice Rink in Westover Road one Robin Cousins started there, THIS COUNSEL makes you want to WEEP.
I totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: The Council OWN the site!!!!!!!!, no sir they are the custodians for the PEOPLE of BOURNEMOUTH who own the site and this is coming from the people who suggested, IMAX, SURF REEF, BIC with a WAVE MACHINE instead of 50 meter pool at least when Pier Approach Baths were there we had an Olympic Gold Medal Diver train there and the Ice Rink in Westover Road one Robin Cousins started there, THIS COUNSEL makes you want to WEEP.[/p][/quote]I totally agree. MJD

5:55pm Thu 27 Dec 12

CaitMcMaster says...

PLEASE! I used to live near Gosport Ice Rink, owned by Planet Ice. It was a hockey rink size, and only charged £5 for the 5 hour public skating session. Here the best they have to offer not in winter is a rink the size of a post stamp in Poole Park, that try to charge me the same amount for 45 mins...hahaha. Dream on. A reasonably priced ice rink would be fantastic, and would attract a lot of people who are put off by the prices at the local one.
PLEASE! I used to live near Gosport Ice Rink, owned by Planet Ice. It was a hockey rink size, and only charged £5 for the 5 hour public skating session. Here the best they have to offer not in winter is a rink the size of a post stamp in Poole Park, that try to charge me the same amount for 45 mins...hahaha. Dream on. A reasonably priced ice rink would be fantastic, and would attract a lot of people who are put off by the prices at the local one. CaitMcMaster

6:20pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Dj Kaz says...

I'm under 18, and I know for a fact that many of my friends would love this, It would need to be an Olympic size one with the amount of visitors your bound to get! Great Idea.
I'm under 18, and I know for a fact that many of my friends would love this, It would need to be an Olympic size one with the amount of visitors your bound to get! Great Idea. Dj Kaz

7:21pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Carl Baron says...

Whilst I agree with Cllr Ron Whittaker as to Bournemouth needing a permanent Ice Rink one can see why developers aren’t so keen to build one at Kings Park it simply won’t get the volume of participating skaters as much as one built in the Town of Bournemouth.

What would make a far better location in my opinion, would be to build one in what was the Eye Sore Imax area. Considering that we could have the best of both Worlds if the old swimming pool was re-erected in the base of the Imax were to be re-built and on the next floor build an Ice Rink. I can imagine that developers would be climbing over one another to build such a much-needed project as both adults and youngsters need somewhere to go all through the year, but what do you the public think of my idea?

Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk
Whilst I agree with Cllr Ron Whittaker as to Bournemouth needing a permanent Ice Rink one can see why developers aren’t so keen to build one at Kings Park it simply won’t get the volume of participating skaters as much as one built in the Town of Bournemouth. What would make a far better location in my opinion, would be to build one in what was the Eye Sore Imax area. Considering that we could have the best of both Worlds if the old swimming pool was re-erected in the base of the Imax were to be re-built and on the next floor build an Ice Rink. I can imagine that developers would be climbing over one another to build such a much-needed project as both adults and youngsters need somewhere to go all through the year, but what do you the public think of my idea? Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk Carl Baron

8:13pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Chiqqy says...

I skated regularly at Ice Trax at Tower Park which was ALWAYS busy.

I enjoyed the activity very much and would have continued with it even up until now (at 34!) if it hadn't closed down. Even had my own skates !

Bournemouth definitely needs something like this which is reasonably priced. There is not a lot for teens and kids and families to do anymore in the actual town centre.

They should reinstate the Westover road rink to it's former glory or put a building in keeping with the rest on the seafront where the Imax is.
I skated regularly at Ice Trax at Tower Park which was ALWAYS busy. I enjoyed the activity very much and would have continued with it even up until now (at 34!) if it hadn't closed down. Even had my own skates ! Bournemouth definitely needs something like this which is reasonably priced. There is not a lot for teens and kids and families to do anymore in the actual town centre. They should reinstate the Westover road rink to it's former glory or put a building in keeping with the rest on the seafront where the Imax is. Chiqqy

9:07pm Thu 27 Dec 12

muscliffman says...

Yes, it probably would make sense for the town to have such a permanent attraction.

But with our Town Hall involved a competent outcome anywhere would doubtless be impossible.

Interesting to know more detail about "The local authority had also secured outline planning permission for the site, at a cost of almost £70,000."

That is an awful lot of our Council money to simply award 'outline' planning permission (for an uncertain project) to themselves.

Town Hall fat-cats up their usual tricks?
Yes, it probably would make sense for the town to have such a permanent attraction. But with our Town Hall involved a competent outcome anywhere would doubtless be impossible. Interesting to know more detail about "The local authority had also secured outline planning permission for the site, at a cost of almost £70,000." That is an awful lot of our Council money to simply award 'outline' planning permission (for an uncertain project) to themselves. Town Hall fat-cats up their usual tricks? muscliffman

10:05pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Packersfan says...

Chiqqy wrote:
I skated regularly at Ice Trax at Tower Park which was ALWAYS busy.

I enjoyed the activity very much and would have continued with it even up until now (at 34!) if it hadn't closed down. Even had my own skates !

Bournemouth definitely needs something like this which is reasonably priced. There is not a lot for teens and kids and families to do anymore in the actual town centre.

They should reinstate the Westover road rink to it's former glory or put a building in keeping with the rest on the seafront where the Imax is.
I also remeber Ice Trax at Tower Park with the outdoor loop which happened to be in direct sunlight so the ice melted in the summer & you couldn't go outside to complete the whole loop.
[quote][p][bold]Chiqqy[/bold] wrote: I skated regularly at Ice Trax at Tower Park which was ALWAYS busy. I enjoyed the activity very much and would have continued with it even up until now (at 34!) if it hadn't closed down. Even had my own skates ! Bournemouth definitely needs something like this which is reasonably priced. There is not a lot for teens and kids and families to do anymore in the actual town centre. They should reinstate the Westover road rink to it's former glory or put a building in keeping with the rest on the seafront where the Imax is.[/p][/quote]I also remeber Ice Trax at Tower Park with the outdoor loop which happened to be in direct sunlight so the ice melted in the summer & you couldn't go outside to complete the whole loop. Packersfan

10:05pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Packersfan says...

Well to begin with it was tiny and whenever we got really hot weather (don't laugh) the water from the melting ice soaked the shops below. I do remember going there as a kid and having some fun days.
Well to begin with it was tiny and whenever we got really hot weather (don't laugh) the water from the melting ice soaked the shops below. I do remember going there as a kid and having some fun days. Packersfan

11:16pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Yankee1 says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Really who votes these geriatric buffoons?
.
Yes we do need a permanent venue but what's the constant obsession with it being in Kings Park?
.
Put an outdoor one where the IMAX is with a retractable roof. Even two floors with restaurants ect underneath.
.
If the council's going to invest in one it should be in a position to benefit the economy of the town. Where are people going to go from if it's in Kings Park.
.
BBC are just a care in the community project for the pompous old goats which hold the town back. The pure ignorance is just frightening.
Are they not a self-perpetuating quasi-masonic order?
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Really who votes these geriatric buffoons? . Yes we do need a permanent venue but what's the constant obsession with it being in Kings Park? . Put an outdoor one where the IMAX is with a retractable roof. Even two floors with restaurants ect underneath. . If the council's going to invest in one it should be in a position to benefit the economy of the town. Where are people going to go from if it's in Kings Park. . BBC are just a care in the community project for the pompous old goats which hold the town back. The pure ignorance is just frightening.[/p][/quote]Are they not a self-perpetuating quasi-masonic order? Yankee1

12:22am Fri 28 Dec 12

HRH of Boscombe says...

Yankee1 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Really who votes these geriatric buffoons?
.
Yes we do need a permanent venue but what's the constant obsession with it being in Kings Park?
.
Put an outdoor one where the IMAX is with a retractable roof. Even two floors with restaurants ect underneath.
.
If the council's going to invest in one it should be in a position to benefit the economy of the town. Where are people going to go from if it's in Kings Park.
.
BBC are just a care in the community project for the pompous old goats which hold the town back. The pure ignorance is just frightening.
Are they not a self-perpetuating quasi-masonic order?
No because none of them ever do what's for the best of the town/people. Only what's beneficial to their stature or wallet.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Really who votes these geriatric buffoons? . Yes we do need a permanent venue but what's the constant obsession with it being in Kings Park? . Put an outdoor one where the IMAX is with a retractable roof. Even two floors with restaurants ect underneath. . If the council's going to invest in one it should be in a position to benefit the economy of the town. Where are people going to go from if it's in Kings Park. . BBC are just a care in the community project for the pompous old goats which hold the town back. The pure ignorance is just frightening.[/p][/quote]Are they not a self-perpetuating quasi-masonic order?[/p][/quote]No because none of them ever do what's for the best of the town/people. Only what's beneficial to their stature or wallet. HRH of Boscombe

12:34am Fri 28 Dec 12

HRH of Boscombe says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Really who votes these geriatric buffoons?
.
Yes we do need a permanent venue but what's the constant obsession with it being in Kings Park?
.
Put an outdoor one where the IMAX is with a retractable roof. Even two floors with restaurants ect underneath.
.
If the council's going to invest in one it should be in a position to benefit the economy of the town. Where are people going to go from if it's in Kings Park.
.
BBC are just a care in the community project for the pompous old goats which hold the town back. The pure ignorance is just frightening.
Are they not a self-perpetuating quasi-masonic order?
No because none of them ever do what's for the best of the town/people. Only what's beneficial to their stature or wallet.
Selling off spare land in Kings Park to a developer is far easier for these gormless old muppets!
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Really who votes these geriatric buffoons? . Yes we do need a permanent venue but what's the constant obsession with it being in Kings Park? . Put an outdoor one where the IMAX is with a retractable roof. Even two floors with restaurants ect underneath. . If the council's going to invest in one it should be in a position to benefit the economy of the town. Where are people going to go from if it's in Kings Park. . BBC are just a care in the community project for the pompous old goats which hold the town back. The pure ignorance is just frightening.[/p][/quote]Are they not a self-perpetuating quasi-masonic order?[/p][/quote]No because none of them ever do what's for the best of the town/people. Only what's beneficial to their stature or wallet.[/p][/quote]Selling off spare land in Kings Park to a developer is far easier for these gormless old muppets! HRH of Boscombe

3:38am Fri 28 Dec 12

davidhaz says...

hang on ice rink? I dont think we even have an olympic swimming pool or diving facility? Shouldn't that be a priority? Is there even any olympic size running tracks that the public can have access to? All we seem to have is dog poo covered fields with little kiddies parks attached to them that sometimes have a cricket pitch drawn on them or a footy pitch........ Our council are morons and have no idea what the people need. An ice rink would be nice but its something of the past that we often feel nostalgic about. If there was a real demand for 1 some company would have developed one by now. The fact that it hasn't happened tells me it would not be cost effective. Our council should worry less about populist nostalgic trips into the past and more about practical facilities that we want now.
hang on ice rink? I dont think we even have an olympic swimming pool or diving facility? Shouldn't that be a priority? Is there even any olympic size running tracks that the public can have access to? All we seem to have is dog poo covered fields with little kiddies parks attached to them that sometimes have a cricket pitch drawn on them or a footy pitch........ Our council are morons and have no idea what the people need. An ice rink would be nice but its something of the past that we often feel nostalgic about. If there was a real demand for 1 some company would have developed one by now. The fact that it hasn't happened tells me it would not be cost effective. Our council should worry less about populist nostalgic trips into the past and more about practical facilities that we want now. davidhaz

8:13am Fri 28 Dec 12

Return of the Native says...

Dj Kaz wrote:
I'm under 18, and I know for a fact that many of my friends would love this, It would need to be an Olympic size one with the amount of visitors your bound to get! Great Idea.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Dj Kaz[/bold] wrote: I'm under 18, and I know for a fact that many of my friends would love this, It would need to be an Olympic size one with the amount of visitors your bound to get! Great Idea.[/p][/quote]Well said. Return of the Native

8:15am Fri 28 Dec 12

Return of the Native says...

steelpaul wrote:
Heres an idea, put in a permanent rink, generate revenue from it through not only skating but also having events such as ice shows and an ice hockey team. Im originally from sheffield, we have 2 professional ice hockey teams up there both attracting crowds between 1500 and 8000 people, there is a temporary ice rink in Cardiff that is both for public use and is used for ice shows and a professional ice hockey team there also, its been a huge success there, I for one would love a permanent rink here in Bournemouth
Hear hear!
[quote][p][bold]steelpaul[/bold] wrote: Heres an idea, put in a permanent rink, generate revenue from it through not only skating but also having events such as ice shows and an ice hockey team. Im originally from sheffield, we have 2 professional ice hockey teams up there both attracting crowds between 1500 and 8000 people, there is a temporary ice rink in Cardiff that is both for public use and is used for ice shows and a professional ice hockey team there also, its been a huge success there, I for one would love a permanent rink here in Bournemouth[/p][/quote]Hear hear! Return of the Native

11:11am Fri 28 Dec 12

Glashen says...

Carl Baron wrote:
Whilst I agree with Cllr Ron Whittaker as to Bournemouth needing a permanent Ice Rink one can see why developers aren’t so keen to build one at Kings Park it simply won’t get the volume of participating skaters as much as one built in the Town of Bournemouth.

What would make a far better location in my opinion, would be to build one in what was the Eye Sore Imax area. Considering that we could have the best of both Worlds if the old swimming pool was re-erected in the base of the Imax were to be re-built and on the next floor build an Ice Rink. I can imagine that developers would be climbing over one another to build such a much-needed project as both adults and youngsters need somewhere to go all through the year, but what do you the public think of my idea?

Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk
The basement of the Imax will be available, so presumably could without that much effort be used as an ice rink.

Certainly if it was economically viable anyone could apply to council to rent the space, that of course is the problem the council will want an economic rent and for this site that might well rule out an ice rink. One point I believe as another poster as mentioned that an issue in the past was that the ice can melt, that is why the Ice rink in Westover road closed no one would insure them with the shops underneath.
[quote][p][bold]Carl Baron[/bold] wrote: Whilst I agree with Cllr Ron Whittaker as to Bournemouth needing a permanent Ice Rink one can see why developers aren’t so keen to build one at Kings Park it simply won’t get the volume of participating skaters as much as one built in the Town of Bournemouth. What would make a far better location in my opinion, would be to build one in what was the Eye Sore Imax area. Considering that we could have the best of both Worlds if the old swimming pool was re-erected in the base of the Imax were to be re-built and on the next floor build an Ice Rink. I can imagine that developers would be climbing over one another to build such a much-needed project as both adults and youngsters need somewhere to go all through the year, but what do you the public think of my idea? Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk[/p][/quote]The basement of the Imax will be available, so presumably could without that much effort be used as an ice rink. Certainly if it was economically viable anyone could apply to council to rent the space, that of course is the problem the council will want an economic rent and for this site that might well rule out an ice rink. One point I believe as another poster as mentioned that an issue in the past was that the ice can melt, that is why the Ice rink in Westover road closed no one would insure them with the shops underneath. Glashen

11:51am Fri 28 Dec 12

Rustyfootballer says...

The need for this rink is especially acute at this time of year. Teenagers need somewhere to go that has a purpose. I have a 16 year old and 13 year old. They dont really want to hang out with their parents on New Years Eve, they are too young to be in any environment involving alcohol. The ice rink gave a party atmosphere at this time of year without a need to consume alcohol. On You Tube there is a video of the inetrior of westover rink - its an art deco marvel that would probably receive national coverage if it was put back into service and the art deco would be a significant attraction. Brinkg back the hockey, speed club and coaches. Surely a below commercial value rent is a sound investment in our local facilities?
The need for this rink is especially acute at this time of year. Teenagers need somewhere to go that has a purpose. I have a 16 year old and 13 year old. They dont really want to hang out with their parents on New Years Eve, they are too young to be in any environment involving alcohol. The ice rink gave a party atmosphere at this time of year without a need to consume alcohol. On You Tube there is a video of the inetrior of westover rink - its an art deco marvel that would probably receive national coverage if it was put back into service and the art deco would be a significant attraction. Brinkg back the hockey, speed club and coaches. Surely a below commercial value rent is a sound investment in our local facilities? Rustyfootballer

1:26pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Azphreal says...

So when the council refused to allow the idea of an icerink the the Imax consultation (which if i remember did not have what they are going to do in it) they said it was because there were plans to build one in Kings park,well nice to see what they think 'plans to build' means 'someone may build one'.
So when the council refused to allow the idea of an icerink the the Imax consultation (which if i remember did not have what they are going to do in it) they said it was because there were plans to build one in Kings park,well nice to see what they think 'plans to build' means 'someone may build one'. Azphreal

3:40pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Kiki1973 says...

Bournemouth is 'in need' of many things.... a swimming pool, a decent bus station, more affordable housing (and I don't mean retirement places; we have *plenty*), things for families to do that don't involve the beach (it sometimes rains here, can you believe it?) ; but an Ice rink? Would it get used year round? I mean, right now, in December, when we want to feel winter-y, yes, sure; but in the middle of July, who is going to say 'man, I rally want to go ice skating. Not swimming, not to a nice fun complex, ice skating... that'll make me feel all wintery inside!' Not worth the revenue it will bring in, surely? I know we'd all like to say 'yeah, when it's hot, I could go for a bit of skating', but lets be realisitic.... we 'need' this? No, some people 'want' this, that's all.
Bournemouth is 'in need' of many things.... a swimming pool, a decent bus station, more affordable housing (and I don't mean retirement places; we have *plenty*), things for families to do that don't involve the beach (it sometimes rains here, can you believe it?) ; but an Ice rink? Would it get used year round? I mean, right now, in December, when we want to feel winter-y, yes, sure; but in the middle of July, who is going to say 'man, I rally want to go ice skating. Not swimming, not to a nice fun complex, ice skating... that'll make me feel all wintery inside!' Not worth the revenue it will bring in, surely? I know we'd all like to say 'yeah, when it's hot, I could go for a bit of skating', but lets be realisitic.... we 'need' this? No, some people 'want' this, that's all. Kiki1973

6:13pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Carl Baron says...

Glashen wrote:
Carl Baron wrote:
Whilst I agree with Cllr Ron Whittaker as to Bournemouth needing a permanent Ice Rink one can see why developers aren’t so keen to build one at Kings Park it simply won’t get the volume of participating skaters as much as one built in the Town of Bournemouth.

What would make a far better location in my opinion, would be to build one in what was the Eye Sore Imax area. Considering that we could have the best of both Worlds if the old swimming pool was re-erected in the base of the Imax were to be re-built and on the next floor build an Ice Rink. I can imagine that developers would be climbing over one another to build such a much-needed project as both adults and youngsters need somewhere to go all through the year, but what do you the public think of my idea?

Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk
The basement of the Imax will be available, so presumably could without that much effort be used as an ice rink.

Certainly if it was economically viable anyone could apply to council to rent the space, that of course is the problem the council will want an economic rent and for this site that might well rule out an ice rink. One point I believe as another poster as mentioned that an issue in the past was that the ice can melt, that is why the Ice rink in Westover road closed no one would insure them with the shops underneath.
As you say. “ The council will want an economic rent and for this site that might well rule out an ice rink”. Considering the Imax has been an uneconomic failure so having the chance of both an Ice Rink on floor and a good sized Swimming Poole on the ground floor should prove to be a crowed puller for both simmers and skaters; not forgetting possible hosting for Televised Shows placing Bournemouth well on the entertainment map.

As you also stated,” an issue in the past was that the ice can melt, that is why the Ice rink in Westover road closed”. Not really so much a problem if you have a swimming Poole under the Ice Rink lots of room for any such remote chance of water leakage.
[quote][p][bold]Glashen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carl Baron[/bold] wrote: Whilst I agree with Cllr Ron Whittaker as to Bournemouth needing a permanent Ice Rink one can see why developers aren’t so keen to build one at Kings Park it simply won’t get the volume of participating skaters as much as one built in the Town of Bournemouth. What would make a far better location in my opinion, would be to build one in what was the Eye Sore Imax area. Considering that we could have the best of both Worlds if the old swimming pool was re-erected in the base of the Imax were to be re-built and on the next floor build an Ice Rink. I can imagine that developers would be climbing over one another to build such a much-needed project as both adults and youngsters need somewhere to go all through the year, but what do you the public think of my idea? Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk[/p][/quote]The basement of the Imax will be available, so presumably could without that much effort be used as an ice rink. Certainly if it was economically viable anyone could apply to council to rent the space, that of course is the problem the council will want an economic rent and for this site that might well rule out an ice rink. One point I believe as another poster as mentioned that an issue in the past was that the ice can melt, that is why the Ice rink in Westover road closed no one would insure them with the shops underneath.[/p][/quote]As you say. “ The council will want an economic rent and for this site that might well rule out an ice rink”. Considering the Imax has been an uneconomic failure so having the chance of both an Ice Rink on floor and a good sized Swimming Poole on the ground floor should prove to be a crowed puller for both simmers and skaters; not forgetting possible hosting for Televised Shows placing Bournemouth well on the entertainment map. As you also stated,” an issue in the past was that the ice can melt, that is why the Ice rink in Westover road closed”. Not really so much a problem if you have a swimming Poole under the Ice Rink lots of room for any such remote chance of water leakage. Carl Baron

11:07pm Fri 28 Dec 12

portia6 says...

Makes sense!
Makes sense! portia6

11:35pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Bob49 says...

So, in the real world where major ice rinks in Cardiff, Bristol, Romford, Norwich Streatham, Plymouth have closed in the past year or so, and plans to built an ice rink at Southampton have been scrapped we get this crackpot idea put forward - on the basis that a temporary novelty rink put up for a few weeks should be enough to justify a major leasure development.

Maybe those running those venues know something Cllr Whittaker doesn't. Perhaps it might have been a good ifea for him to have contacted them first to see why they have all closed.

Just as the surf reef was a convenient bluff to allow land to be handed over to private developers, so has the Kings Park ice rink been a useful ploy to get a change in usage of open green land ie developers to eventually built on it.

Maybe someone should tell the councillor that there's no need now to continue with this farce, the deed's been done.
So, in the real world where major ice rinks in Cardiff, Bristol, Romford, Norwich Streatham, Plymouth have closed in the past year or so, and plans to built an ice rink at Southampton have been scrapped we get this crackpot idea put forward - on the basis that a temporary novelty rink put up for a few weeks should be enough to justify a major leasure development. Maybe those running those venues know something Cllr Whittaker doesn't. Perhaps it might have been a good ifea for him to have contacted them first to see why they have all closed. Just as the surf reef was a convenient bluff to allow land to be handed over to private developers, so has the Kings Park ice rink been a useful ploy to get a change in usage of open green land ie developers to eventually built on it. Maybe someone should tell the councillor that there's no need now to continue with this farce, the deed's been done. Bob49

11:37pm Fri 28 Dec 12

pete woodley says...

Very distrusting Bob,but as you say,so many have closed,why.
Very distrusting Bob,but as you say,so many have closed,why. pete woodley

10:37am Sat 29 Dec 12

Arjay says...

pete woodley wrote:
Very distrusting Bob,but as you say,so many have closed,why.
I think you'll have to check some of Bob49's comments for factual accuracy -- he does seem to rather simplify on occasion.
I remember a recent thread where he tried to convince everyone that my suggestion to hold a Court Martial 'in camera' was nonsense. (It wasn't of course - that's exactly what actually occurred!)
The old Bristol ice rink has been closed for redevelopment, for example...and that decision seems to have been a commercial one that met with a lot of local protest - so it wasn't closed through any lack of interest!

Regarding Cardiff -- 'Planet Ice' appears to be alive and well, according to their web site?.....

There will always be commercial - and sometimes technical - reasons some ice rinks close - particularly the older ones.
However, the idea of having a modern permanent ice rink locally would be welcomed by many folk.
Not just as a 'fun' venue, but one where it would be possible to accommodate the full spectrum of ice sports as well.

I think lots of local folk have either forgotten -- or have never known -- just how much fun ice skating can be.
Healthy too!...
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Very distrusting Bob,but as you say,so many have closed,why.[/p][/quote]I think you'll have to check some of Bob49's comments for factual accuracy -- he does seem to rather simplify on occasion. I remember a recent thread where he tried to convince everyone that my suggestion to hold a Court Martial 'in camera' was nonsense. (It wasn't of course - that's exactly what actually occurred!) The old Bristol ice rink has been closed for redevelopment, for example...and that decision seems to have been a commercial one that met with a lot of local protest - so it wasn't closed through any lack of interest! Regarding Cardiff -- 'Planet Ice' appears to be alive and well, according to their web site?..... There will always be commercial - and sometimes technical - reasons some ice rinks close - particularly the older ones. However, the idea of having a modern permanent ice rink locally would be welcomed by many folk. Not just as a 'fun' venue, but one where it would be possible to accommodate the full spectrum of ice sports as well. I think lots of local folk have either forgotten -- or have never known -- just how much fun ice skating can be. Healthy too!... Arjay

11:20am Sat 29 Dec 12

davidhaz says...

Having listened to everyones comments - no. It would make a loss and close pretty quickly again. I don't think the council should be taking more risks....
Having listened to everyones comments - no. It would make a loss and close pretty quickly again. I don't think the council should be taking more risks.... davidhaz

11:51am Sat 29 Dec 12

Arjay says...

davidhaz wrote:
Having listened to everyones comments - no. It would make a loss and close pretty quickly again. I don't think the council should be taking more risks....
Why should the decision be made exclusively on commercial grounds?....

If that was always the sole governing criterion, then I suggest that perhaps the cycle track at Slade's Farm would never have been built, for example?...

Surely, one of the legacies from the success of the Olympics this year should be to encourage more sporting activities...... and ice skating combines healthy exercise, and a fun social environment.
With proper facilities you could simply be a 'fun' skater, or you could perhaps take it more seriously, and get involved with figure skating - or ice dancing - or pair skating - or ice hockey - or speed skating.......(not all at once of course!)

I agree, the idea of a purely commercial enterprise, as a 'fun' item is unlikely to succeed.
Introduce a more serious sporting function, and the 'Olympic legacy' might suggest that additional funding could be available......I suspect it rather depends if anyone high enough up the sports funding 'food chain' likes ice skating or not!...
[quote][p][bold]davidhaz[/bold] wrote: Having listened to everyones comments - no. It would make a loss and close pretty quickly again. I don't think the council should be taking more risks....[/p][/quote]Why should the decision be made exclusively on commercial grounds?.... If that was always the sole governing criterion, then I suggest that perhaps the cycle track at Slade's Farm would never have been built, for example?... Surely, one of the legacies from the success of the Olympics this year should be to encourage more sporting activities...... and ice skating combines healthy exercise, and a fun social environment. With proper facilities you could simply be a 'fun' skater, or you could perhaps take it more seriously, and get involved with figure skating - or ice dancing - or pair skating - or ice hockey - or speed skating.......(not all at once of course!) I agree, the idea of a purely commercial enterprise, as a 'fun' item is unlikely to succeed. Introduce a more serious sporting function, and the 'Olympic legacy' might suggest that additional funding could be available......I suspect it rather depends if anyone high enough up the sports funding 'food chain' likes ice skating or not!... Arjay

2:18pm Sat 29 Dec 12

pete woodley says...

Arjay,some very good points,inc,why for profit.
Arjay,some very good points,inc,why for profit. pete woodley

4:30pm Sat 29 Dec 12

davidhaz says...

well it needs to be profitable because the council cant afford to build and run a non profit ice rink with our money. To be frank if they chose to try it a lot of people would complain that the council were taking undue risks with their council tax. There are other priorities before an ice rink. It's just unrealistic.
well it needs to be profitable because the council cant afford to build and run a non profit ice rink with our money. To be frank if they chose to try it a lot of people would complain that the council were taking undue risks with their council tax. There are other priorities before an ice rink. It's just unrealistic. davidhaz

11:40pm Sat 29 Dec 12

bally75 says...

Bob49 wrote:
So, in the real world where major ice rinks in Cardiff, Bristol, Romford, Norwich Streatham, Plymouth have closed in the past year or so, and plans to built an ice rink at Southampton have been scrapped we get this crackpot idea put forward - on the basis that a temporary novelty rink put up for a few weeks should be enough to justify a major leasure development.

Maybe those running those venues know something Cllr Whittaker doesn't. Perhaps it might have been a good ifea for him to have contacted them first to see why they have all closed.

Just as the surf reef was a convenient bluff to allow land to be handed over to private developers, so has the Kings Park ice rink been a useful ploy to get a change in usage of open green land ie developers to eventually built on it.

Maybe someone should tell the councillor that there's no need now to continue with this farce, the deed's been done.
HATE it when people come on here with the wrong fact!!!!! out of all of the rinks you say are now closed only one has and that one was not a full ice pad ! streatham is being re built by tesco currently they have a full size temporary rink in brixton romford bristol are still there and cardif city council are about to fund a new rink to replace there full size temporary rink YOU ARE A CLUELESS NIMBY
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: So, in the real world where major ice rinks in Cardiff, Bristol, Romford, Norwich Streatham, Plymouth have closed in the past year or so, and plans to built an ice rink at Southampton have been scrapped we get this crackpot idea put forward - on the basis that a temporary novelty rink put up for a few weeks should be enough to justify a major leasure development. Maybe those running those venues know something Cllr Whittaker doesn't. Perhaps it might have been a good ifea for him to have contacted them first to see why they have all closed. Just as the surf reef was a convenient bluff to allow land to be handed over to private developers, so has the Kings Park ice rink been a useful ploy to get a change in usage of open green land ie developers to eventually built on it. Maybe someone should tell the councillor that there's no need now to continue with this farce, the deed's been done.[/p][/quote]HATE it when people come on here with the wrong fact!!!!! out of all of the rinks you say are now closed only one has and that one was not a full ice pad ! streatham is being re built by tesco currently they have a full size temporary rink in brixton romford bristol are still there and cardif city council are about to fund a new rink to replace there full size temporary rink YOU ARE A CLUELESS NIMBY bally75

7:43pm Sun 30 Dec 12

Avengerboy says...

Please don't as the council in the brewery couldn't organise the .............. an 'Imax wave ice machine' is whats needed.
Please don't as the council in the brewery couldn't organise the .............. an 'Imax wave ice machine' is whats needed. Avengerboy

1:00pm Mon 31 Dec 12

ekimnoslen says...

kayackie wrote:
Arjay!!
We already had one!!!!!!
Ah! but did it sell booze, an absolute must in Bournemouth.
[quote][p][bold]kayackie[/bold] wrote: Arjay!! We already had one!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ah! but did it sell booze, an absolute must in Bournemouth. ekimnoslen

2:38pm Mon 31 Dec 12

stevobath says...

kayackie wrote:
We already had one !!!!! a brilliant facility criminally left to rot for 21 years whilst the town was crying out for a wet weather facility for holiday makers and locals!! Now the Westover Rink is massive empty gym, WHY wasnt the Westover rink kept or at least renovated to a first class ice rink?

As the excellent transport links to Kings Park - as Lord Spring says! also have the parking spaces have been removed in the park!!
So true..

One thing however.It would be nice to see a major attraction NOT in the Town Centre.Maybe AFCB could get involved?
[quote][p][bold]kayackie[/bold] wrote: We already had one !!!!! a brilliant facility criminally left to rot for 21 years whilst the town was crying out for a wet weather facility for holiday makers and locals!! Now the Westover Rink is massive empty gym, WHY wasnt the Westover rink kept or at least renovated to a first class ice rink? As the excellent transport links to Kings Park - as Lord Spring says! also have the parking spaces have been removed in the park!![/p][/quote]So true.. One thing however.It would be nice to see a major attraction NOT in the Town Centre.Maybe AFCB could get involved? stevobath

8:13am Tue 1 Jan 13

raynad says...

davidhaz wrote:
hang on ice rink? I dont think we even have an olympic swimming pool or diving facility? Shouldn't that be a priority? Is there even any olympic size running tracks that the public can have access to? All we seem to have is dog poo covered fields with little kiddies parks attached to them that sometimes have a cricket pitch drawn on them or a footy pitch........ Our council are morons and have no idea what the people need. An ice rink would be nice but its something of the past that we often feel nostalgic about. If there was a real demand for 1 some company would have developed one by now. The fact that it hasn't happened tells me it would not be cost effective. Our council should worry less about populist nostalgic trips into the past and more about practical facilities that we want now.
Totally agree, I bring my ten year old girl to Bournemouth regularly and she cannot understand that a town of this size has no big swimming pool, I tell her how great the pier approach baths were when I was a kid and she says what where that horrible empty building is now, oh how I Iaugh! BTW we live in a little village near Bath and we have a swimming pool.
[quote][p][bold]davidhaz[/bold] wrote: hang on ice rink? I dont think we even have an olympic swimming pool or diving facility? Shouldn't that be a priority? Is there even any olympic size running tracks that the public can have access to? All we seem to have is dog poo covered fields with little kiddies parks attached to them that sometimes have a cricket pitch drawn on them or a footy pitch........ Our council are morons and have no idea what the people need. An ice rink would be nice but its something of the past that we often feel nostalgic about. If there was a real demand for 1 some company would have developed one by now. The fact that it hasn't happened tells me it would not be cost effective. Our council should worry less about populist nostalgic trips into the past and more about practical facilities that we want now.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, I bring my ten year old girl to Bournemouth regularly and she cannot understand that a town of this size has no big swimming pool, I tell her how great the pier approach baths were when I was a kid and she says what where that horrible empty building is now, oh how I Iaugh! BTW we live in a little village near Bath and we have a swimming pool. raynad

12:31pm Tue 1 Jan 13

SFF says...

This has nothing to do with an ice rink - it is another land grab in Boscombe. The proposed ice rink takes up the entire field directly next to Kings Park school, so the children who live in the most deprived area of Bournemouth will no longer have a beautiful open space to look at and to play in for free, they will have an enormous monstrosity to look at or pay to enter. It will cut Kings Park in two.

Personally I dont think it is anything about an ice rink. Somewhere someone wants a change of use on that land so it can be sold off for developers. Land that was given with covenants to the people of Bournemouth. Land that the Council has in trust but says it owns.

Look at the BCCA gifted to the impoverished children of Boscombe for education and to be handed to developers for rabbit hutch housing for peanuts and presumaby a nice back hander.

This council has shown time and time again it has no desire to regenerate Boscombe. Who will want to take their kids to an ice rink in an area noted for 60 rehabs, open prostitution and drug use and the occasional drug related shooting?

Put the ice rink back in the town centre where it belongs and stop the rape of the few assets left in Boscombe.
This has nothing to do with an ice rink - it is another land grab in Boscombe. The proposed ice rink takes up the entire field directly next to Kings Park school, so the children who live in the most deprived area of Bournemouth will no longer have a beautiful open space to look at and to play in for free, they will have an enormous monstrosity to look at or pay to enter. It will cut Kings Park in two. Personally I dont think it is anything about an ice rink. Somewhere someone wants a change of use on that land so it can be sold off for developers. Land that was given with covenants to the people of Bournemouth. Land that the Council has in trust but says it owns. Look at the BCCA gifted to the impoverished children of Boscombe for education and to be handed to developers for rabbit hutch housing for peanuts and presumaby a nice back hander. This council has shown time and time again it has no desire to regenerate Boscombe. Who will want to take their kids to an ice rink in an area noted for 60 rehabs, open prostitution and drug use and the occasional drug related shooting? Put the ice rink back in the town centre where it belongs and stop the rape of the few assets left in Boscombe. SFF

3:07pm Tue 1 Jan 13

victor meldrew 17 says...

I have lived in this town all my life,now in my 60's.I used to go to the old westover rink a lot in my teens,sometimes 3 times a week.I am not sure if there is enough demand for a full time rink these days,with many young people more interested in playing video games.If we are going to have one the next question is where,the old winter gardens site is one option,at the moment it is little more than a hole in the ground,there is room to build a rink,a swimming pool,and 2 or 3 levels of car park,without it being too tall.The problem with that site,and all others in the town centre,is dreadful access.In the old days,when the square was a roundabout,there was traffic access from poole road,avenue road, bourne avenue,richmond hill,and old christchurch road,life was much easier.When there is a major event at the bic,the traffic jam starts at cemetery junction.The town centre is reliant on exeter road and priory road,to keep things moving,one broken down bus or fatal accident,and the whole town will come to a standstill in no time.The chaos that occurs when the air festival is on,is good example.
The more debate there is,on this and other issues the better,building a new casino next to the pavillion,for instance,every casino I have ever been in had no windows,so why would you build one on a site with some of the best views in the town.
I have lived in this town all my life,now in my 60's.I used to go to the old westover rink a lot in my teens,sometimes 3 times a week.I am not sure if there is enough demand for a full time rink these days,with many young people more interested in playing video games.If we are going to have one the next question is where,the old winter gardens site is one option,at the moment it is little more than a hole in the ground,there is room to build a rink,a swimming pool,and 2 or 3 levels of car park,without it being too tall.The problem with that site,and all others in the town centre,is dreadful access.In the old days,when the square was a roundabout,there was traffic access from poole road,avenue road, bourne avenue,richmond hill,and old christchurch road,life was much easier.When there is a major event at the bic,the traffic jam starts at cemetery junction.The town centre is reliant on exeter road and priory road,to keep things moving,one broken down bus or fatal accident,and the whole town will come to a standstill in no time.The chaos that occurs when the air festival is on,is good example. The more debate there is,on this and other issues the better,building a new casino next to the pavillion,for instance,every casino I have ever been in had no windows,so why would you build one on a site with some of the best views in the town. victor meldrew 17

8:59am Wed 2 Jan 13

CourtOffside says...

Westover was fine for leisure skaters and people wanting to learn figure skating.. but it wasn't big enough for hockey and there was not enough seating to make it viable for other events.
Westover was fine for leisure skaters and people wanting to learn figure skating.. but it wasn't big enough for hockey and there was not enough seating to make it viable for other events. CourtOffside

1:55pm Wed 2 Jan 13

pete woodley says...

CourtOffside wrote:
Westover was fine for leisure skaters and people wanting to learn figure skating.. but it wasn't big enough for hockey and there was not enough seating to make it viable for other events.
Thats a fact that a lot have ignored,anybody have any other views on this comment.
[quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: Westover was fine for leisure skaters and people wanting to learn figure skating.. but it wasn't big enough for hockey and there was not enough seating to make it viable for other events.[/p][/quote]Thats a fact that a lot have ignored,anybody have any other views on this comment. pete woodley

4:06pm Wed 2 Jan 13

golfer33 says...

Ice hockey and figure skating have 2 different surfaces, ice hockey ice is much harder and about 6 degrees colder
plus it is much more expensive to maintain. the rink would have to be built like a aircraft hanger.
Ice hockey and figure skating have 2 different surfaces, ice hockey ice is much harder and about 6 degrees colder plus it is much more expensive to maintain. the rink would have to be built like a aircraft hanger. golfer33

11:15am Thu 3 Jan 13

CourtOffside says...

golfer33 wrote:
Ice hockey and figure skating have 2 different surfaces, ice hockey ice is much harder and about 6 degrees colder
plus it is much more expensive to maintain. the rink would have to be built like a aircraft hanger.
Whilst it is true that hockey players tend to prefer colder surfaces than figure skaters, the difference isn't as big as you suggest.

Hockey is usually 24-26 degrees, figure skating 26-28. A top ice temperature of 26 degrees is usually fine for practice/training in both sports and it wouldn't be expensive to chill to fine tune this for competitions/shows.
[quote][p][bold]golfer33[/bold] wrote: Ice hockey and figure skating have 2 different surfaces, ice hockey ice is much harder and about 6 degrees colder plus it is much more expensive to maintain. the rink would have to be built like a aircraft hanger.[/p][/quote]Whilst it is true that hockey players tend to prefer colder surfaces than figure skaters, the difference isn't as big as you suggest. Hockey is usually 24-26 degrees, figure skating 26-28. A top ice temperature of 26 degrees is usually fine for practice/training in both sports and it wouldn't be expensive to chill to fine tune this for competitions/shows. CourtOffside

7:22pm Sat 5 Jan 13

davidhaz says...

How about a roller disco instead lol
How about a roller disco instead lol davidhaz

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