Pub licence suspended over "excessive noise" row (From Bournemouth Echo)

But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis,

More likely to drive many away how come one succesfull pub chain has no music at all.

No wonder it has problems,Its in East Howe.NOT NORTHBOURNE.

Lord Spring wrote:
But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis,

More likely to drive many away how come one succesfull pub chain has no music at all.

Exactly. If I went to a pub (which is only rarely) I expect to be able to hold a conversation and maybe enjoy some low level background music not a dreadful din. If one wants that there are plenty of establishments in the town centre where loud music is played without disturbing neighbours.

I can only imagine the types of patrons who would frequent this place - ugh!

Mr N James wrote:
No wonder it has problems,Its in East Howe.NOT NORTHBOURNE.

I went there once. I thought I was in Royston Vasey...

The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

Royston Vasey LOlL was Micky there ?

Why do people move next to pubs then complain?

I do agree with you Tom, I could never understand these people.

buickboy wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t

its not easy but i have achieved it ! which of these homes of the great unwashed do you throw your wages at ? my own dad had a 'pub brain' , rarely saw him sober , never any money for the house ,i am no supporter and good riddance

buickboy wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t

Thus speaks the type of moron that ruins pub life for others.

BournemouthMum wrote:

Lord Spring wrote:
But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis,

More likely to drive many away how come one succesfull pub chain has no music at all.

Exactly. If I went to a pub (which is only rarely) I expect to be able to hold a conversation and maybe enjoy some low level background music not a dreadful din. If one wants that there are plenty of establishments in the town centre where loud music is played without disturbing neighbours.

I can only imagine the types of patrons who would frequent this place - ugh!

Once again you refer to 'the type of people' frequenting the place.Ever visited? No.You always post comments that suggest you think you are a bit above others?

I used to go into the Thatch, as its called by locals, & it was a nice quiete pub that wasnt particularly noisy,& the regulars were genrally older folk.

Obviously the area its in leads you to make assumptions?
You dont live in Southbourne by chance? I ask as I grew up in the area,living in a council house & was astounded by the snobbery I experienced even as a young kid.Please be careful not to fall off your pedestal while surveying everyone below you.:)

buickboy wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t

Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves.

There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that.
The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.

Hardly surprised to learn this. Not saying why!

stevobath wrote:

buickboy wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t

Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves.

There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that.
The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.

its just my observation ,it doesnt matter to me what you think ,i have seen pubs evolve over the years ,and i am not a youngster , some pubs contain loads of indivduals drinking as a crowd , they talk constant b*ll*cks to each other but no one listens and many of them are rude alcoholic slobs and its been like that since the 60s . the problem now is that ,with so many pubs closed it has condensed these people into the few places that are left ,what sort of mentality does it take to make pub life a daily routine ,there must be more to life than that ?

I see flats being built.

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

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fantasanta wrote:

stevobath wrote:

buickboy wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t

Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves.

There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that.
The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.

its just my observation ,it doesnt matter to me what you think ,i have seen pubs evolve over the years ,and i am not a youngster , some pubs contain loads of indivduals drinking as a crowd , they talk constant b*ll*cks to each other but no one listens and many of them are rude alcoholic slobs and its been like that since the 60s . the problem now is that ,with so many pubs closed it has condensed these people into the few places that are left ,what sort of mentality does it take to make pub life a daily routine ,there must be more to life than that ?

Lol - I know what you mean, I've been in pubs and heard people talking absolute b&llox - 'putting the world to rights' as it's called. It's so funny some of the things they spout without knowing what they're talking about.

And yes a lot of them are alcoholics who haven't admitted it. Actually it's quite a source of entertainment going to a local pub and observing people. Sad people with no life.

TheDistrict wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

.

on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing

fantasanta wrote:

TheDistrict wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

.

on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing

My first husband was the same, in the pub day in day out, and now aged 55 he does exactly the same thing - wasting his life away getting drunk and insulting people - saddo. His father was the same. He doesn't have time for his children or grandchildren - the pub always comes first.

These people live in an alcohol fuelled fantasy land and die miserable old men.

Ha ha ha. BournemouthMum you sound a right laugh.

BournemouthMum wrote:

fantasanta wrote:

TheDistrict wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

.

on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing

My first husband was the same, in the pub day in day out, and now aged 55 he does exactly the same thing - wasting his life away getting drunk and insulting people - saddo. His father was the same. He doesn't have time for his children or grandchildren - the pub always comes first.

These people live in an alcohol fuelled fantasy land and die miserable old men.

thats a typical story , but they cant see it in themselves and they will defend it to their last breath which is usually ,courtesy of a knackered liver and youre right anyone who drinks every day in the way they do is an alcoholic and there are certain pubs that are full of them

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones wrote:
Why do people move next to pubs then complain?

Because they can?

Let's face it - if we are going to allow houses anywhere near pubs or pubs anywhere near houses, there has to be a bit of respect for the neighbours.

As for the comment "But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come" - this is clearly ridiculous - there are very successful pubs without music. The key is to have the music on at a low background level when the pub is empty to cover the noise of the fans and refrigeration equipment behind the bar, but as soon as the pub starts to fill up to turn the music off. I can assure you most people will not notice the music go off and no one will leave at that point. It often seems to me that music in pubs is for the entertainment of the staff: most customers find it an irritation.

I'm not going to make a comment about the particular pub because I haven't been there- although it looks nice from the outside , but in general I find the immature attitude in this country that sees getting drunk as somehow "macho" as moronic and pathetic - how does pouring alcohol down your throat til you become a boring obnoxious prat make you a "man"? Maybe running a marathon might give you some claim , or climbing a mountain, but going to the pub and getting p******d ? grow up!

BournemouthMum wrote:

fantasanta wrote:

stevobath wrote:

buickboy wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t

Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves.

There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that.
The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.

its just my observation ,it doesnt matter to me what you think ,i have seen pubs evolve over the years ,and i am not a youngster , some pubs contain loads of indivduals drinking as a crowd , they talk constant b*ll*cks to each other but no one listens and many of them are rude alcoholic slobs and its been like that since the 60s . the problem now is that ,with so many pubs closed it has condensed these people into the few places that are left ,what sort of mentality does it take to make pub life a daily routine ,there must be more to life than that ?

Lol - I know what you mean, I've been in pubs and heard people talking absolute b&llox - 'putting the world to rights' as it's called. It's so funny some of the things they spout without knowing what they're talking about.

And yes a lot of them are alcoholics who haven't admitted it. Actually it's quite a source of entertainment going to a local pub and observing people. Sad people with no life.

How unusual.People talking S***E & drnking.Go into any pub & you will hear someone talking rubbish.Also sometimes its 'fun' to talk utter rubbish.

You really sound like a real misery guts, who thinks shes above others.
As for laughing at people for not knowing what theyre talking about....you seem to do that quite often on these pages?

I am a regular of the Thatch and would like to say that despite the estate it is based on, during the week it is a very quiet pub. Fridays and Sundays they have a resident DJ who provides good music and karaoke. This is the reason I orignally started going. It's something different to do and gets people in. Due to being 'out of the way' the location of the pub is not one you can just stumble across. I know the Landlords on a personal basis and both are lovely people. They have turned away so many people who used to create mayhem for the previous Landlords. Nobody can deny that the location and surrounding estate has troublesome residents but this is nothing to do with the pub itself. Every pub has locals who are likely to maybe cause a scene and in East Howe maybe it's more likely but I have witnessed the Landlords doing their very best to avoid this happening. The car park is open to the public as they do not have a 'closure' so to speak so at nighttime if people do enter the grounds, of course they are causing disturbance...for the Landlords of the pub also seeing as they live above the pub!

what do you expect its a marstons they are all dumps and rough no money ever spent on these pubs and now they are managing it its going to get worse people on 5 quid an hour that are just there for the money and no real care more fight s and noise and no proper owner this pub wont last long.

The pub that used to be at the top of Moorside Road was called ' The Smuggler.'

djd wrote:
The pub that used to be at the top of Moorside Road was called ' The Smuggler.'

thank you for that ,its been bugging me for two days !

I think fantasanta should get some therapy.
His upbringing by a drunken father has made anyone who has the odd pint a demon to him.
Lay off the fanta, try red bull.

fantasanta wrote:

TheDistrict wrote:

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets

What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

.

on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing

Are you and Bournemouth Mum one & the same person? Are you committed Salvationists?.

Just cause youve had a sad experience related to a parent being an alcoholic,doesnt mean everyone who goes to the pub is the same.
It is nice however for you to let us all know that there are alcoholics frequenting pubs.Next you will inform us that these people buy booze from the off licence too!! Merry Xmas.Enjoy your' Ginger Beer....

I am not an alcoholic,i rarely drink,one reason is i have got diabetes,as a kid i was beaten by a drunken father,but still kept close to ,him till he died,but who am i to tell others off for drinking,except drinking and driving.Nor do i expect some on here bullying me over my comments.