Pub licence suspended over "excessive noise" row

Bournemouth Echo: Alan Ready, Angie Nuttall and Kevin Ellis in front of the pub Alan Ready, Angie Nuttall and Kevin Ellis in front of the pub

A PUB accused of playing excessively loud music had its licence suspended yesterday.

Bournemouth councillors on the licensing committee heard neighbours of The Thatched House in Northbourne had suffered from loud music, fighting and shouting into the early hours of the morning for two years.

They agreed to suspend its licence and the pub, in East Howe Lane, will be forced to cease trading until January 31 unless there is an appeal by owners Marston’s.

But Marston’s has 21 days to appeal and the pub could continue to trade during that period – and then carry on until an appeal is heard.

Committee chairman Cllr David Kelsey said: “We felt this was the best course of action as the right conditions are already in place on the licence regarding noise and hours. They are just being ignored.”

The pub also had its licence for serving drinks and playing music limited to 11pm each day. Landlords Kevin and Michelle Ellis, who are leaving the pub next month after running it for two years, claimed noise levels were not excessive.

“I have always felt that the volume here was reasonable.

“ The problem is the pub is a bit close to the houses. But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis, 54.

“We decided to move on anyway as Michelle has health pro-blems, so this won’t affect us, but it will be a shame for the locals if it closes at Christmas.”

Pub regular Alan Ready, 61, of Sunningdale Crescent, said: “Kevin and Michelle have worked hard to get this back to being a family pub. It was in a state when they took over.

“And they have succeeded. There is a real community here now. The noise late at night is people from the estates using the garden when it is shut.”

Marston’s told the committee it was taking over management next month, and claimed this would end the problems.

However, one neighbour, who wished to remain anonymous, was sceptical.

“Marston’s will appeal this, so this will carry on over Christmas,” she said.

However another neighbour, 85-year-old Joan Jones, said she had no problems.

“It is just what you expect living next to a pub, a bit of noise,” she said.

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8:48am Wed 19 Dec 12

Lord Spring says...

But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis,

More likely to drive many away how come one succesfull pub chain has no music at all.
But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis, More likely to drive many away how come one succesfull pub chain has no music at all. Lord Spring
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8:50am Wed 19 Dec 12

Mr N James says...

No wonder it has problems,Its in East Howe.NOT NORTHBOURNE.
No wonder it has problems,Its in East Howe.NOT NORTHBOURNE. Mr N James
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9:22am Wed 19 Dec 12

BournemouthMum says...

Lord Spring wrote:
But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis,

More likely to drive many away how come one succesfull pub chain has no music at all.
Exactly. If I went to a pub (which is only rarely) I expect to be able to hold a conversation and maybe enjoy some low level background music not a dreadful din. If one wants that there are plenty of establishments in the town centre where loud music is played without disturbing neighbours.

I can only imagine the types of patrons who would frequent this place - ugh!
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis, More likely to drive many away how come one succesfull pub chain has no music at all.[/p][/quote]Exactly. If I went to a pub (which is only rarely) I expect to be able to hold a conversation and maybe enjoy some low level background music not a dreadful din. If one wants that there are plenty of establishments in the town centre where loud music is played without disturbing neighbours. I can only imagine the types of patrons who would frequent this place - ugh! BournemouthMum
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10:09am Wed 19 Dec 12

Arjay says...

Mr N James wrote:
No wonder it has problems,Its in East Howe.NOT NORTHBOURNE.
I went there once. I thought I was in Royston Vasey...
[quote][p][bold]Mr N James[/bold] wrote: No wonder it has problems,Its in East Howe.NOT NORTHBOURNE.[/p][/quote]I went there once. I thought I was in Royston Vasey... Arjay
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10:20am Wed 19 Dec 12

fantasanta says...

The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets fantasanta
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10:42am Wed 19 Dec 12

Mr N James says...

Royston Vasey LOlL was Micky there ?
Royston Vasey LOlL was Micky there ? Mr N James
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11:34am Wed 19 Dec 12

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...

Why do people move next to pubs then complain?
Why do people move next to pubs then complain? Tom 'Boscombe' Jones
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11:58am Wed 19 Dec 12

Mr N James says...

I do agree with you Tom, I could never understand these people.
I do agree with you Tom, I could never understand these people. Mr N James
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12:24pm Wed 19 Dec 12

fantasanta says...

buickboy wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t
its not easy but i have achieved it ! which of these homes of the great unwashed do you throw your wages at ? my own dad had a 'pub brain' , rarely saw him sober , never any money for the house ,i am no supporter and good riddance
[quote][p][bold]buickboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]ooh get you ducky ! what's it like to be perfect ? Tw*t[/p][/quote]its not easy but i have achieved it ! which of these homes of the great unwashed do you throw your wages at ? my own dad had a 'pub brain' , rarely saw him sober , never any money for the house ,i am no supporter and good riddance fantasanta
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12:35pm Wed 19 Dec 12

saynomore says...

buickboy wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t
Thus speaks the type of moron that ruins pub life for others.
[quote][p][bold]buickboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]ooh get you ducky ! what's it like to be perfect ? Tw*t[/p][/quote]Thus speaks the type of moron that ruins pub life for others. saynomore
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2:03pm Wed 19 Dec 12

stevobath says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis,

More likely to drive many away how come one succesfull pub chain has no music at all.
Exactly. If I went to a pub (which is only rarely) I expect to be able to hold a conversation and maybe enjoy some low level background music not a dreadful din. If one wants that there are plenty of establishments in the town centre where loud music is played without disturbing neighbours.

I can only imagine the types of patrons who would frequent this place - ugh!
Once again you refer to 'the type of people' frequenting the place.Ever visited? No.You always post comments that suggest you think you are a bit above others?

I used to go into the Thatch, as its called by locals, & it was a nice quiete pub that wasnt particularly noisy,& the regulars were genrally older folk.

Obviously the area its in leads you to make assumptions?
You dont live in Southbourne by chance? I ask as I grew up in the area,living in a council house & was astounded by the snobbery I experienced even as a young kid.Please be careful not to fall off your pedestal while surveying everyone below you.:)
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come,” said Mr Ellis, More likely to drive many away how come one succesfull pub chain has no music at all.[/p][/quote]Exactly. If I went to a pub (which is only rarely) I expect to be able to hold a conversation and maybe enjoy some low level background music not a dreadful din. If one wants that there are plenty of establishments in the town centre where loud music is played without disturbing neighbours. I can only imagine the types of patrons who would frequent this place - ugh![/p][/quote]Once again you refer to 'the type of people' frequenting the place.Ever visited? No.You always post comments that suggest you think you are a bit above others? I used to go into the Thatch, as its called by locals, & it was a nice quiete pub that wasnt particularly noisy,& the regulars were genrally older folk. Obviously the area its in leads you to make assumptions? You dont live in Southbourne by chance? I ask as I grew up in the area,living in a council house & was astounded by the snobbery I experienced even as a young kid.Please be careful not to fall off your pedestal while surveying everyone below you.:) stevobath
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2:07pm Wed 19 Dec 12

stevobath says...

buickboy wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t
Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves.

There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that.
The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.
[quote][p][bold]buickboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]ooh get you ducky ! what's it like to be perfect ? Tw*t[/p][/quote]Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves. There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that. The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though. stevobath
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2:38pm Wed 19 Dec 12

CoogarUK.com says...

Hardly surprised to learn this. Not saying why!
Hardly surprised to learn this. Not saying why! CoogarUK.com
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3:04pm Wed 19 Dec 12

fantasanta says...

stevobath wrote:
buickboy wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t
Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves.

There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that.
The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.
its just my observation ,it doesnt matter to me what you think ,i have seen pubs evolve over the years ,and i am not a youngster , some pubs contain loads of indivduals drinking as a crowd , they talk constant b*ll*cks to each other but no one listens and many of them are rude alcoholic slobs and its been like that since the 60s . the problem now is that ,with so many pubs closed it has condensed these people into the few places that are left ,what sort of mentality does it take to make pub life a daily routine ,there must be more to life than that ?
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buickboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]ooh get you ducky ! what's it like to be perfect ? Tw*t[/p][/quote]Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves. There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that. The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.[/p][/quote]its just my observation ,it doesnt matter to me what you think ,i have seen pubs evolve over the years ,and i am not a youngster , some pubs contain loads of indivduals drinking as a crowd , they talk constant b*ll*cks to each other but no one listens and many of them are rude alcoholic slobs and its been like that since the 60s . the problem now is that ,with so many pubs closed it has condensed these people into the few places that are left ,what sort of mentality does it take to make pub life a daily routine ,there must be more to life than that ? fantasanta
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4:28pm Wed 19 Dec 12

pete woodley says...

I see flats being built.
I see flats being built. pete woodley
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4:36pm Wed 19 Dec 12

TheDistrict says...

fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

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[quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey. The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home. Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood. It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know. These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about. . TheDistrict
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4:54pm Wed 19 Dec 12

BournemouthMum says...

fantasanta wrote:
stevobath wrote:
buickboy wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t
Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves.

There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that.
The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.
its just my observation ,it doesnt matter to me what you think ,i have seen pubs evolve over the years ,and i am not a youngster , some pubs contain loads of indivduals drinking as a crowd , they talk constant b*ll*cks to each other but no one listens and many of them are rude alcoholic slobs and its been like that since the 60s . the problem now is that ,with so many pubs closed it has condensed these people into the few places that are left ,what sort of mentality does it take to make pub life a daily routine ,there must be more to life than that ?
Lol - I know what you mean, I've been in pubs and heard people talking absolute b&llox - 'putting the world to rights' as it's called. It's so funny some of the things they spout without knowing what they're talking about.

And yes a lot of them are alcoholics who haven't admitted it. Actually it's quite a source of entertainment going to a local pub and observing people. Sad people with no life.
[quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buickboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]ooh get you ducky ! what's it like to be perfect ? Tw*t[/p][/quote]Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves. There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that. The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.[/p][/quote]its just my observation ,it doesnt matter to me what you think ,i have seen pubs evolve over the years ,and i am not a youngster , some pubs contain loads of indivduals drinking as a crowd , they talk constant b*ll*cks to each other but no one listens and many of them are rude alcoholic slobs and its been like that since the 60s . the problem now is that ,with so many pubs closed it has condensed these people into the few places that are left ,what sort of mentality does it take to make pub life a daily routine ,there must be more to life than that ?[/p][/quote]Lol - I know what you mean, I've been in pubs and heard people talking absolute b&llox - 'putting the world to rights' as it's called. It's so funny some of the things they spout without knowing what they're talking about. And yes a lot of them are alcoholics who haven't admitted it. Actually it's quite a source of entertainment going to a local pub and observing people. Sad people with no life. BournemouthMum
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5:08pm Wed 19 Dec 12

fantasanta says...

TheDistrict wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

.
on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey. The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home. Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood. It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know. These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about. .[/p][/quote]on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing fantasanta
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5:37pm Wed 19 Dec 12

BournemouthMum says...

fantasanta wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

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on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing
My first husband was the same, in the pub day in day out, and now aged 55 he does exactly the same thing - wasting his life away getting drunk and insulting people - saddo. His father was the same. He doesn't have time for his children or grandchildren - the pub always comes first.

These people live in an alcohol fuelled fantasy land and die miserable old men.
[quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey. The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home. Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood. It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know. These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about. .[/p][/quote]on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing[/p][/quote]My first husband was the same, in the pub day in day out, and now aged 55 he does exactly the same thing - wasting his life away getting drunk and insulting people - saddo. His father was the same. He doesn't have time for his children or grandchildren - the pub always comes first. These people live in an alcohol fuelled fantasy land and die miserable old men. BournemouthMum
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5:52pm Wed 19 Dec 12

b26b says...

Ha ha ha. BournemouthMum you sound a right laugh.
Ha ha ha. BournemouthMum you sound a right laugh. b26b
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5:53pm Wed 19 Dec 12

fantasanta says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

.
on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing
My first husband was the same, in the pub day in day out, and now aged 55 he does exactly the same thing - wasting his life away getting drunk and insulting people - saddo. His father was the same. He doesn't have time for his children or grandchildren - the pub always comes first.

These people live in an alcohol fuelled fantasy land and die miserable old men.
thats a typical story , but they cant see it in themselves and they will defend it to their last breath which is usually ,courtesy of a knackered liver and youre right anyone who drinks every day in the way they do is an alcoholic and there are certain pubs that are full of them
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey. The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home. Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood. It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know. These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about. .[/p][/quote]on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing[/p][/quote]My first husband was the same, in the pub day in day out, and now aged 55 he does exactly the same thing - wasting his life away getting drunk and insulting people - saddo. His father was the same. He doesn't have time for his children or grandchildren - the pub always comes first. These people live in an alcohol fuelled fantasy land and die miserable old men.[/p][/quote]thats a typical story , but they cant see it in themselves and they will defend it to their last breath which is usually ,courtesy of a knackered liver and youre right anyone who drinks every day in the way they do is an alcoholic and there are certain pubs that are full of them fantasanta
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12:01am Thu 20 Dec 12

Adrian XX says...

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones wrote:
Why do people move next to pubs then complain?
Because they can?

Let's face it - if we are going to allow houses anywhere near pubs or pubs anywhere near houses, there has to be a bit of respect for the neighbours.

As for the comment "But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come" - this is clearly ridiculous - there are very successful pubs without music. The key is to have the music on at a low background level when the pub is empty to cover the noise of the fans and refrigeration equipment behind the bar, but as soon as the pub starts to fill up to turn the music off. I can assure you most people will not notice the music go off and no one will leave at that point. It often seems to me that music in pubs is for the entertainment of the staff: most customers find it an irritation.
[quote][p][bold]Tom 'Boscombe' Jones[/bold] wrote: Why do people move next to pubs then complain?[/p][/quote]Because they can? Let's face it - if we are going to allow houses anywhere near pubs or pubs anywhere near houses, there has to be a bit of respect for the neighbours. As for the comment "But we have to entertain our customers or they won’t come" - this is clearly ridiculous - there are very successful pubs without music. The key is to have the music on at a low background level when the pub is empty to cover the noise of the fans and refrigeration equipment behind the bar, but as soon as the pub starts to fill up to turn the music off. I can assure you most people will not notice the music go off and no one will leave at that point. It often seems to me that music in pubs is for the entertainment of the staff: most customers find it an irritation. Adrian XX
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10:26am Thu 20 Dec 12

uvox44 says...

I'm not going to make a comment about the particular pub because I haven't been there- although it looks nice from the outside , but in general I find the immature attitude in this country that sees getting drunk as somehow "macho" as moronic and pathetic - how does pouring alcohol down your throat til you become a boring obnoxious prat make you a "man"? Maybe running a marathon might give you some claim , or climbing a mountain, but going to the pub and getting p******d ? grow up!
I'm not going to make a comment about the particular pub because I haven't been there- although it looks nice from the outside , but in general I find the immature attitude in this country that sees getting drunk as somehow "macho" as moronic and pathetic - how does pouring alcohol down your throat til you become a boring obnoxious prat make you a "man"? Maybe running a marathon might give you some claim , or climbing a mountain, but going to the pub and getting p******d ? grow up! uvox44
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12:27pm Thu 20 Dec 12

stevobath says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
stevobath wrote:
buickboy wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
ooh get you ducky !
what's it like to be perfect ?
Tw*t
Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves.

There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that.
The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.
its just my observation ,it doesnt matter to me what you think ,i have seen pubs evolve over the years ,and i am not a youngster , some pubs contain loads of indivduals drinking as a crowd , they talk constant b*ll*cks to each other but no one listens and many of them are rude alcoholic slobs and its been like that since the 60s . the problem now is that ,with so many pubs closed it has condensed these people into the few places that are left ,what sort of mentality does it take to make pub life a daily routine ,there must be more to life than that ?
Lol - I know what you mean, I've been in pubs and heard people talking absolute b&llox - 'putting the world to rights' as it's called. It's so funny some of the things they spout without knowing what they're talking about.

And yes a lot of them are alcoholics who haven't admitted it. Actually it's quite a source of entertainment going to a local pub and observing people. Sad people with no life.
How unusual.People talking S***E & drnking.Go into any pub & you will hear someone talking rubbish.Also sometimes its 'fun' to talk utter rubbish.

You really sound like a real misery guts, who thinks shes above others.
As for laughing at people for not knowing what theyre talking about....you seem to do that quite often on these pages?
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buickboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]ooh get you ducky ! what's it like to be perfect ? Tw*t[/p][/quote]Yes indeed.He should meet up with Bornemouth Mum.They both have a rather high opinion of themselves. There are 'cliques' in lotsof pubs.It makes no difference where it is.Smaller local pubs are often like that. The Dolphin used to be a rough pub though.[/p][/quote]its just my observation ,it doesnt matter to me what you think ,i have seen pubs evolve over the years ,and i am not a youngster , some pubs contain loads of indivduals drinking as a crowd , they talk constant b*ll*cks to each other but no one listens and many of them are rude alcoholic slobs and its been like that since the 60s . the problem now is that ,with so many pubs closed it has condensed these people into the few places that are left ,what sort of mentality does it take to make pub life a daily routine ,there must be more to life than that ?[/p][/quote]Lol - I know what you mean, I've been in pubs and heard people talking absolute b&llox - 'putting the world to rights' as it's called. It's so funny some of the things they spout without knowing what they're talking about. And yes a lot of them are alcoholics who haven't admitted it. Actually it's quite a source of entertainment going to a local pub and observing people. Sad people with no life.[/p][/quote]How unusual.People talking S***E & drnking.Go into any pub & you will hear someone talking rubbish.Also sometimes its 'fun' to talk utter rubbish. You really sound like a real misery guts, who thinks shes above others. As for laughing at people for not knowing what theyre talking about....you seem to do that quite often on these pages? stevobath
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1:55pm Thu 20 Dec 12

VampBee says...

I am a regular of the Thatch and would like to say that despite the estate it is based on, during the week it is a very quiet pub. Fridays and Sundays they have a resident DJ who provides good music and karaoke. This is the reason I orignally started going. It's something different to do and gets people in. Due to being 'out of the way' the location of the pub is not one you can just stumble across. I know the Landlords on a personal basis and both are lovely people. They have turned away so many people who used to create mayhem for the previous Landlords. Nobody can deny that the location and surrounding estate has troublesome residents but this is nothing to do with the pub itself. Every pub has locals who are likely to maybe cause a scene and in East Howe maybe it's more likely but I have witnessed the Landlords doing their very best to avoid this happening. The car park is open to the public as they do not have a 'closure' so to speak so at nighttime if people do enter the grounds, of course they are causing disturbance...for the Landlords of the pub also seeing as they live above the pub!
I am a regular of the Thatch and would like to say that despite the estate it is based on, during the week it is a very quiet pub. Fridays and Sundays they have a resident DJ who provides good music and karaoke. This is the reason I orignally started going. It's something different to do and gets people in. Due to being 'out of the way' the location of the pub is not one you can just stumble across. I know the Landlords on a personal basis and both are lovely people. They have turned away so many people who used to create mayhem for the previous Landlords. Nobody can deny that the location and surrounding estate has troublesome residents but this is nothing to do with the pub itself. Every pub has locals who are likely to maybe cause a scene and in East Howe maybe it's more likely but I have witnessed the Landlords doing their very best to avoid this happening. The car park is open to the public as they do not have a 'closure' so to speak so at nighttime if people do enter the grounds, of course they are causing disturbance...for the Landlords of the pub also seeing as they live above the pub! VampBee
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3:13pm Thu 20 Dec 12

djkent says...

what do you expect its a marstons they are all dumps and rough no money ever spent on these pubs and now they are managing it its going to get worse people on 5 quid an hour that are just there for the money and no real care more fight s and noise and no proper owner this pub wont last long.
what do you expect its a marstons they are all dumps and rough no money ever spent on these pubs and now they are managing it its going to get worse people on 5 quid an hour that are just there for the money and no real care more fight s and noise and no proper owner this pub wont last long. djkent
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8:22pm Thu 20 Dec 12

djd says...

The pub that used to be at the top of Moorside Road was called ' The Smuggler.'
The pub that used to be at the top of Moorside Road was called ' The Smuggler.' djd
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8:28am Fri 21 Dec 12

fantasanta says...

djd wrote:
The pub that used to be at the top of Moorside Road was called ' The Smuggler.'
thank you for that ,its been bugging me for two days !
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: The pub that used to be at the top of Moorside Road was called ' The Smuggler.'[/p][/quote]thank you for that ,its been bugging me for two days ! fantasanta
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12:00pm Fri 21 Dec 12

atha says...

I think fantasanta should get some therapy.
His upbringing by a drunken father has made anyone who has the odd pint a demon to him.
Lay off the fanta, try red bull.
I think fantasanta should get some therapy. His upbringing by a drunken father has made anyone who has the odd pint a demon to him. Lay off the fanta, try red bull. atha
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2:55pm Fri 21 Dec 12

stevobath says...

fantasanta wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
fantasanta wrote:
The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets
What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey.

The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home.

Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood.

It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know.

These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about.

.
on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing
Are you and Bournemouth Mum one & the same person? Are you committed Salvationists?.

Just cause youve had a sad experience related to a parent being an alcoholic,doesnt mean everyone who goes to the pub is the same.
It is nice however for you to let us all know that there are alcoholics frequenting pubs.Next you will inform us that these people buy booze from the off licence too!! Merry Xmas.Enjoy your' Ginger Beer....
[quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fantasanta[/bold] wrote: The problem with this sort of pub and the others that used to be on West Howe is that people who used/ use them go there after work rather than go home ,car park full of work vans , get tanked up before they face the home they cant stand living in ,and the drunken drive home is less than a mile away ! dont ask them to respect your desire for some peace and quiet , pubs in Kinson , exactly the same ,for an exclusive crowd , you wouldnt go there as a stranger ,you wouldnt be welcome ! at least it keeps them off the streets[/p][/quote]What a load of crud fantasanta. You obviously do not come from that area, or have lived in that area. I spent all my adult life living in West Howe, or close by and I used all the pubs on both estates, in particular the Thatch and the Osprey. The pubs that were closed were often referred to as dens of eniquity, but rest assured they were far from it. There is not a pub in the country that has not had some sort of public problem, such as a fight, drinking work men, etc. The fact it is, it was common practice for many of us to visit the pub on the way home, and most would have a pint or two and then go home. Most pubs had music, although it was not loud so that it disturbed the local residents, and I do think that estate pubs should have a much lower level of musical noise/sound that town centre pubs, because of the surrounding neighbourhood. It really peeves me off when such a story arises on these estates, it is down to where it is, according to those who do not really know. These pubs were designed for the local people, and as such catered for that clientelle. It was when the owners of said pubs realised that there was no money being made, and landlords would not turn to the restaurant/pub business, that the real reasons for closures came about. .[/p][/quote]on the contrary i lived there for twenty years and as i said earlier my own father was a waste of space 'pub head' ,i hated him for it ,there was as you say The Osprey , what was the other at the top of Moorside Road ? barely a day went by without a punch up ,these arent family pubs they are the southern equivelent of working mens clubs ,my dad was a yorkshire miner and could not get out of the habit , drink killed him and like a lot of drunks he was a physical abuser ,so i know the culture and the mentality ,my mum rightly cheered the day he popped his clogs -freedom at last !! i also wonder who drives all those vans home after 5 hours drinking because the car park is always empty in the morning and you dont go to a pub to drink cola ,so dont tell me , i watched my dad and his sloshed mates for years ,nothing has changed - absolutely nothing[/p][/quote]Are you and Bournemouth Mum one & the same person? Are you committed Salvationists?. Just cause youve had a sad experience related to a parent being an alcoholic,doesnt mean everyone who goes to the pub is the same. It is nice however for you to let us all know that there are alcoholics frequenting pubs.Next you will inform us that these people buy booze from the off licence too!! Merry Xmas.Enjoy your' Ginger Beer.... stevobath
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5:41pm Fri 21 Dec 12

pete woodley says...

I am not an alcoholic,i rarely drink,one reason is i have got diabetes,as a kid i was beaten by a drunken father,but still kept close to ,him till he died,but who am i to tell others off for drinking,except drinking and driving.Nor do i expect some on here bullying me over my comments.
I am not an alcoholic,i rarely drink,one reason is i have got diabetes,as a kid i was beaten by a drunken father,but still kept close to ,him till he died,but who am i to tell others off for drinking,except drinking and driving.Nor do i expect some on here bullying me over my comments. pete woodley
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