Public asked for views on controversial Weymouth and Portland budget proposals

First published in News

Local people can have their say on Weymouth and Portland’s 2013/14 budget proposals .

The contentious plans were approved for consultation at the borough council’s Management Committee on 4 December.

The plans include demolishing the Pavilion and turning the site into a car park, selling the council offices on North Quay and the Guildhall and selling seafront hotels owned by the authority.

The proposals outline how the council aims to deal with the reduction in the amount of money it receives and has to spend – estimated to be at least £3.9 million less by 2019/20.

No final decisions have been made by councillors about the 2013/14 budget.

Councillors will debate the matter at Management Committee in February and then ultimately set the budget at Full Council on February 21.

Results from the consultation will be used to inform councillors, highlight potential impacts of the proposals and ways to manage them while also identifying potential alternatives to the proposals and other ideas.

Councillor Peter Chapman, Weymouth and Portland Borough Council spokesman for Finance and Assets said: “The council has hard choices to make and is very limited about what it can actually do to address the financial situation it finds itself in.

“The council’s cross-party budget working group has worked very hard to come up with the proposals which were approved for consultation by the Management Committee on 4 December, and we look forward to finding out what local people think about them.

“I do understand that not all of what is proposed will be popular but this consultation is also about finding out how the proposals will affect residents and businesses and explaining alternatives.”

The council will consult with the Chamber of Commerce, and is presenting the budget proposals to them. Stakeholder groups, such as the Forum for Equality and Diversity and other local organisations, will also be asked for their views.

Weymouth and Portland residents who are part of Dorset County Council’s citizens’ panel will also be consulted about the proposals.

More information about the budget process, ideas and an online survey is now available for local people and organisations to complete at www.dorsetforyou.com/weymouthandportlandbudget

 

Paper copies are also available at the council’s North Quay office reception.

The closing date for the questionnaire is 20 January 2013.

For more information contact Cllr Peter Chapman, Weymouth & Portland Borough Council Briefholder for Finance and Assets, on 01305 459843 or the council’s communications team on 01305 252219.

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1:02pm Wed 12 Dec 12

cecilbdoomil says...

Why do Councils bother with public consultations, virtually every single time they have one, they ignore what the majority of public want?

There is plenty I am sure we could cut out to save money but the Socialists and agenda brigade will start crying.
Why do Councils bother with public consultations, virtually every single time they have one, they ignore what the majority of public want? There is plenty I am sure we could cut out to save money but the Socialists and agenda brigade will start crying. cecilbdoomil
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1:03pm Wed 12 Dec 12

cecilbdoomil says...

"the Forum for Equality and Diversity"

There's one for a start.
"the Forum for Equality and Diversity" There's one for a start. cecilbdoomil
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3:08pm Wed 12 Dec 12

westendcat says...

With the disposal of all of these property assets, the Council should immediately reduce the size of the in-house property team and outsource all remaining work. They'd save thousands.
With the disposal of all of these property assets, the Council should immediately reduce the size of the in-house property team and outsource all remaining work. They'd save thousands. westendcat
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3:22pm Wed 12 Dec 12

weymouthfox says...

Remember the Howard Holdings affair?
Lots of consultations, a protest march and universal condemnation of the highrise development? Well councillors took no notice of the public and so it is with the Pavilion. Their minds are already made up and consultation is a sham.
Remember the Howard Holdings affair? Lots of consultations, a protest march and universal condemnation of the highrise development? Well councillors took no notice of the public and so it is with the Pavilion. Their minds are already made up and consultation is a sham. weymouthfox
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6:48pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Rabbitman64 says...

It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views!
It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views! Rabbitman64
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7:08pm Wed 12 Dec 12

cecilbdoomil says...

Rabbitman64 wrote:
It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views!
...told you they would start crying.
[quote][p][bold]Rabbitman64[/bold] wrote: It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views![/p][/quote]...told you they would start crying. cecilbdoomil
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7:31pm Wed 12 Dec 12

woodsedge says...

You are right, the right wing keyboard warriors and the mentally challenged Cecil!
You are right, the right wing keyboard warriors and the mentally challenged Cecil! woodsedge
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7:38pm Wed 12 Dec 12

JamesYoung says...

cecilbdoomil wrote:
Rabbitman64 wrote: It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views!
...told you they would start crying.
Oh I disagree entirely Cecil. We must remember the vast contribution made by the left wing to our current economic prosperity. After all, they were prudent enough to only spend £2.07 on expanding the public sector between 1997 and 2007. Of course for every £2.07 they spent, the economy had only expanded by £1, and only a percentage of this £1 was tax, but this is a tribute to the creativity of the left wing. To hear some right wing morons talk, you'd think we were in an economic crisis, with a housing bubble and a central bank printing money to bail the banks and the government out. Lets pray we get a labour government back in soon so we can get rid of all these austerity measures and get some more credit cards.
[quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rabbitman64[/bold] wrote: It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views![/p][/quote]...told you they would start crying.[/p][/quote]Oh I disagree entirely Cecil. We must remember the vast contribution made by the left wing to our current economic prosperity. After all, they were prudent enough to only spend £2.07 on expanding the public sector between 1997 and 2007. Of course for every £2.07 they spent, the economy had only expanded by £1, and only a percentage of this £1 was tax, but this is a tribute to the creativity of the left wing. To hear some right wing morons talk, you'd think we were in an economic crisis, with a housing bubble and a central bank printing money to bail the banks and the government out. Lets pray we get a labour government back in soon so we can get rid of all these austerity measures and get some more credit cards. JamesYoung
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8:12pm Wed 12 Dec 12

cecilbdoomil says...

JamesYoung wrote:
cecilbdoomil wrote:
Rabbitman64 wrote: It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views!
...told you they would start crying.
Oh I disagree entirely Cecil. We must remember the vast contribution made by the left wing to our current economic prosperity. After all, they were prudent enough to only spend £2.07 on expanding the public sector between 1997 and 2007. Of course for every £2.07 they spent, the economy had only expanded by £1, and only a percentage of this £1 was tax, but this is a tribute to the creativity of the left wing. To hear some right wing morons talk, you'd think we were in an economic crisis, with a housing bubble and a central bank printing money to bail the banks and the government out. Lets pray we get a labour government back in soon so we can get rid of all these austerity measures and get some more credit cards.
You'll get called nasty words and names in a minute James.

You know common sense is evil and suddenly becomes "right wing" when it does not please the "special people". Somewhere a little woo-woo will be "offended".

Even if they aren't, they will be anyway.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rabbitman64[/bold] wrote: It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views![/p][/quote]...told you they would start crying.[/p][/quote]Oh I disagree entirely Cecil. We must remember the vast contribution made by the left wing to our current economic prosperity. After all, they were prudent enough to only spend £2.07 on expanding the public sector between 1997 and 2007. Of course for every £2.07 they spent, the economy had only expanded by £1, and only a percentage of this £1 was tax, but this is a tribute to the creativity of the left wing. To hear some right wing morons talk, you'd think we were in an economic crisis, with a housing bubble and a central bank printing money to bail the banks and the government out. Lets pray we get a labour government back in soon so we can get rid of all these austerity measures and get some more credit cards.[/p][/quote]You'll get called nasty words and names in a minute James. You know common sense is evil and suddenly becomes "right wing" when it does not please the "special people". Somewhere a little woo-woo will be "offended". Even if they aren't, they will be anyway. cecilbdoomil
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8:13pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Get a grip says...

westendcat wrote:
With the disposal of all of these property assets, the Council should immediately reduce the size of the in-house property team and outsource all remaining work. They'd save thousands.
I agree and they should also stop employing self employed consultants and agency staff.
[quote][p][bold]westendcat[/bold] wrote: With the disposal of all of these property assets, the Council should immediately reduce the size of the in-house property team and outsource all remaining work. They'd save thousands.[/p][/quote]I agree and they should also stop employing self employed consultants and agency staff. Get a grip
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9:06pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Leftrealist says...

Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions Leftrealist
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9:15pm Wed 12 Dec 12

cecilbdoomil says...

Leftrealist wrote:
Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions[/p][/quote]One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-) cecilbdoomil
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9:30pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Leftrealist says...

cecilbdoomil wrote:
Leftrealist wrote:
Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)
I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback
[quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions[/p][/quote]One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)[/p][/quote]I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback Leftrealist
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1:51pm Thu 13 Dec 12

woodsedge says...

Leftrealist wrote:
cecilbdoomil wrote:
Leftrealist wrote:
Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)
I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback
We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.
[quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions[/p][/quote]One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)[/p][/quote]I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback[/p][/quote]We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county. woodsedge
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3:37pm Thu 13 Dec 12

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
Leftrealist wrote:
cecilbdoomil wrote:
Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)
I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback
We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.
Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions[/p][/quote]One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)[/p][/quote]I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback[/p][/quote]We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.[/p][/quote]Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess. JamesYoung
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3:53pm Thu 13 Dec 12

woodsedge says...

JamesYoung wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Leftrealist wrote:
cecilbdoomil wrote:
Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)
I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback
We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.
Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.
A politician is a politician Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP full stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the current unelected "consistency of government" isn't going to last the course. Labour was clearly at fault for the current mess as are the UK population as a whole who were more than happy living well above their means in the financial bubble. However, the building blocks for the current mess and a country that doesn't understand social responsibility and doesn’t make anything or have any industry, rests with the Tory years of that vile PM Thatcher
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions[/p][/quote]One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)[/p][/quote]I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback[/p][/quote]We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.[/p][/quote]Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.[/p][/quote]A politician is a politician Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP full stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the current unelected "consistency of government" isn't going to last the course. Labour was clearly at fault for the current mess as are the UK population as a whole who were more than happy living well above their means in the financial bubble. However, the building blocks for the current mess and a country that doesn't understand social responsibility and doesn’t make anything or have any industry, rests with the Tory years of that vile PM Thatcher woodsedge
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2:48pm Fri 14 Dec 12

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Leftrealist wrote:
cecilbdoomil wrote:
Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)
I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback
We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.
Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.
A politician is a politician Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP full stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the current unelected "consistency of government" isn't going to last the course. Labour was clearly at fault for the current mess as are the UK population as a whole who were more than happy living well above their means in the financial bubble. However, the building blocks for the current mess and a country that doesn't understand social responsibility and doesn’t make anything or have any industry, rests with the Tory years of that vile PM Thatcher
But again, Thatcher inherited a problem created by Labour (remember the winter of discontent). It's unfortunate that our only two choices are a party that is addicted to spending and another that is addicted to cutting. Maybe we could find one that focuses on efficiency. But then again, a 4-5 year term is always going to be a limiting factor - nobody wants to try anything new because the next election will arrive before the benefits do.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions[/p][/quote]One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)[/p][/quote]I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback[/p][/quote]We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.[/p][/quote]Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.[/p][/quote]A politician is a politician Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP full stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the current unelected "consistency of government" isn't going to last the course. Labour was clearly at fault for the current mess as are the UK population as a whole who were more than happy living well above their means in the financial bubble. However, the building blocks for the current mess and a country that doesn't understand social responsibility and doesn’t make anything or have any industry, rests with the Tory years of that vile PM Thatcher[/p][/quote]But again, Thatcher inherited a problem created by Labour (remember the winter of discontent). It's unfortunate that our only two choices are a party that is addicted to spending and another that is addicted to cutting. Maybe we could find one that focuses on efficiency. But then again, a 4-5 year term is always going to be a limiting factor - nobody wants to try anything new because the next election will arrive before the benefits do. JamesYoung
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2:27pm Sat 15 Dec 12

cecilbdoomil says...

For once I actually agree with most of what Woodsedge said, then like all to the centre/left they pull the old blame Thatcher for everything out of their butt. I remember good old grey marxist Britain under labour, with it's British leyland cars, 3 day weeks and lazy socialists everywhere turning us in to some communist dump.

I also remember the thatcher years, when i used to have money in my pocket and fun !!

I know which I would prefer.
For once I actually agree with most of what Woodsedge said, then like all to the centre/left they pull the old blame Thatcher for everything out of their butt. I remember good old grey marxist Britain under labour, with it's British leyland cars, 3 day weeks and lazy socialists everywhere turning us in to some communist dump. I also remember the thatcher years, when i used to have money in my pocket and fun !! I know which I would prefer. cecilbdoomil
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8:11pm Sat 15 Dec 12

cecilbdoomil says...

JamesYoung wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Leftrealist wrote:
cecilbdoomil wrote:
Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)
I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback
We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.
Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.
We have consistency in government James.

Corruption, arrogance and treachery

They have all been very consistent at that..
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions[/p][/quote]One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)[/p][/quote]I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback[/p][/quote]We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.[/p][/quote]Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.[/p][/quote]We have consistency in government James. Corruption, arrogance and treachery They have all been very consistent at that.. cecilbdoomil
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11:59am Sun 16 Dec 12

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Leftrealist wrote:
cecilbdoomil wrote:
Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)
I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback
We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.
Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.
A politician is a politician Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP full stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the current unelected "consistency of government" isn't going to last the course. Labour was clearly at fault for the current mess as are the UK population as a whole who were more than happy living well above their means in the financial bubble. However, the building blocks for the current mess and a country that doesn't understand social responsibility and doesn’t make anything or have any industry, rests with the Tory years of that vile PM Thatcher
This desire to keep blaming a politician who has been out of power for 20 years is a bit "my grandfathers axe". It's had three new heads and two new handles, but it's still his axe.
As for "unelected", this is a bit of a strange argument since its very rare for more than about 40% of voters to vote for a party - and that ignores those that don't vote. However, if you remove Scotland you'll find that England voted Conservative. This is important since thanks to devolution Scottish MPs are able to vote down measures affecting English voters while voting for those same measures in Scotland. That's why Scottish students get free university tuition and why English old people have to sell their homes to pay for care.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions[/p][/quote]One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)[/p][/quote]I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback[/p][/quote]We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.[/p][/quote]Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.[/p][/quote]A politician is a politician Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP full stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the current unelected "consistency of government" isn't going to last the course. Labour was clearly at fault for the current mess as are the UK population as a whole who were more than happy living well above their means in the financial bubble. However, the building blocks for the current mess and a country that doesn't understand social responsibility and doesn’t make anything or have any industry, rests with the Tory years of that vile PM Thatcher[/p][/quote]This desire to keep blaming a politician who has been out of power for 20 years is a bit "my grandfathers axe". It's had three new heads and two new handles, but it's still his axe. As for "unelected", this is a bit of a strange argument since its very rare for more than about 40% of voters to vote for a party - and that ignores those that don't vote. However, if you remove Scotland you'll find that England voted Conservative. This is important since thanks to devolution Scottish MPs are able to vote down measures affecting English voters while voting for those same measures in Scotland. That's why Scottish students get free university tuition and why English old people have to sell their homes to pay for care. JamesYoung
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12:22pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Throckape says...

cecilbdoomil wrote:
Why do Councils bother with public consultations, virtually every single time they have one, they ignore what the majority of public want? There is plenty I am sure we could cut out to save money but the Socialists and agenda brigade will start crying.
Lip Service...
[quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: Why do Councils bother with public consultations, virtually every single time they have one, they ignore what the majority of public want? There is plenty I am sure we could cut out to save money but the Socialists and agenda brigade will start crying.[/p][/quote]Lip Service... Throckape
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4:48pm Mon 17 Dec 12

bedpans says...

It is my belief that all the problems this town is now encountering revolve around the gross inefficiency of The Property Services Department.The past 6 years have seen total miss management of property related matters. Property and land are the councils most precious assetts but they have been badly handled by the department responsible.It is worthless making any observations whilst the property services department is allowed to ruin what assetts the council holds.Many people have already asked why a certain individual got basically demoted for his complete **** up of most property related matters and now finds himself in a management position.The next farce will involve the old TIC building which has been advertised several imnes for expressions of interest and again for those interested and is now inviting tenders depsite the fact the tender documents are not yet ready. Anyone who wants to lease the building should be in possession by now ready for the forthcoming season. An independant body should be set up to ascertain exactly how much this inept deprtmant has cost the town.It has been responsible for bringing the town to the verge of bankruptcy
It is my belief that all the problems this town is now encountering revolve around the gross inefficiency of The Property Services Department.The past 6 years have seen total miss management of property related matters. Property and land are the councils most precious assetts but they have been badly handled by the department responsible.It is worthless making any observations whilst the property services department is allowed to ruin what assetts the council holds.Many people have already asked why a certain individual got basically demoted for his complete **** up of most property related matters and now finds himself in a management position.The next farce will involve the old TIC building which has been advertised several imnes for expressions of interest and again for those interested and is now inviting tenders depsite the fact the tender documents are not yet ready. Anyone who wants to lease the building should be in possession by now ready for the forthcoming season. An independant body should be set up to ascertain exactly how much this inept deprtmant has cost the town.It has been responsible for bringing the town to the verge of bankruptcy bedpans
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5:48pm Tue 18 Dec 12

oldbrock says...

cecilbdoomil wrote:
Leftrealist wrote:
Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions
One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)
No different to the RIGHT WING BULLINGDON BULLY DICTATORSHIP in charge now! "Pasty Tax" whatever next, that one would have made hardly enough for the MPs to fiddle for themselves flipping residences and renting from each other
ALL politicians of ALL parties at ALL levels are taking the PLEBs for a ride, the laugh is, they think we havn;t realised!
[quote][p][bold]cecilbdoomil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftrealist[/bold] wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions[/p][/quote]One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)[/p][/quote]No different to the RIGHT WING BULLINGDON BULLY DICTATORSHIP in charge now! "Pasty Tax" whatever next, that one would have made hardly enough for the MPs to fiddle for themselves flipping residences and renting from each other ALL politicians of ALL parties at ALL levels are taking the PLEBs for a ride, the laugh is, they think we havn;t realised! oldbrock
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6:10pm Tue 18 Dec 12

oldbrock says...

well, what do you expect from a Party that both Fears and despises the Plebs with equal measure and has NO REAL policies now they have the POWER, a bit like the NAZIS in germany WW2, invade countries, impose over them but once they had 'em, all they could do was run by FEAR and PROPAGANDA, no OTHER clue what to do when they had 'em, just like this lot, "its labour's fault, ONLY 2&1/2yrs on, when will they get on and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for THEIR half baked policies that DEMONIZED the very people whose representatives won so many medals in the PARALYMPICS? Indeed disabled and vulnerable were "rewarded" by the finish of the REMPLOY factories by this lot! Benefit claimants also demonized, when it turns out the amount is a drop in the Ocean in the scheme of things, funny we havn't had a cut in MPs money and the reduction in the fiddles they perpetrate on us annually??????
well, what do you expect from a Party that both Fears and despises the Plebs with equal measure and has NO REAL policies now they have the POWER, a bit like the NAZIS in germany WW2, invade countries, impose over them but once they had 'em, all they could do was run by FEAR and PROPAGANDA, no OTHER clue what to do when they had 'em, just like this lot, "its labour's fault, ONLY 2&1/2yrs on, when will they get on and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for THEIR half baked policies that DEMONIZED the very people whose representatives won so many medals in the PARALYMPICS? Indeed disabled and vulnerable were "rewarded" by the finish of the REMPLOY factories by this lot! Benefit claimants also demonized, when it turns out the amount is a drop in the Ocean in the scheme of things, funny we havn't had a cut in MPs money and the reduction in the fiddles they perpetrate on us annually?????? oldbrock
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