Police Comissioner Elections: live results

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  • Independent Martyn Underhill has been elected as Dorset's Police and Crime Commissioner
  • Turnout for yesterday's election is believed to have been around 15 per cent nationally
  • Candidates for Dorset were Rachel Rogers, Nick King, Andy Canning and Martyn Underhill
  • The count took place at Lighthouse Poole.
  • Turnout across Dorset is believed to be 16.8%, ranging from 13.32% in Bournemouth to 21.56% in West Dorset

4:45pm

Here's Martyn Underhill speaking after he was declared winner of the election:

4:12pm

We're just working on a video interview with winning candidate Martyn Underhill, which we hope to have live shortly.

3:26pm

Bournemouth West MP Conor Burns has said the government will regret introducing the role of PPC and he regrets voting for the bill that introduced the job.
And he said the elections should not have been held in autumn.
“What on Earth were we thinking going to the polls in November? This should have happened, if they were going to have it at all, at the local elections,” he said.
But he claimed Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg had not wanted the law and order to be an issue during government elections.
“It was £80million placating Mr Clegg and opening polling stations around the country for the worst turnout in an election in British history,” he said.
He also said it was a mistake not to allow each candidate a free mailshot to electors as happened in parliamentary and European elections. He said this had denied information the seven per cent of people without internet access.

2:23pm

2:16pm

Result formally announced - figures to come shortly. But Mr Underhill says that after a "bloody campaign" now is the time to heal. He says his victory sends a message to govt that the public will not accept political interference in the police 

2:05pm

And from west Dorset - 588 for Nick King and 1667 for Martyn Underhill, whose victory is going to be formally announced in 5 mins

2:03pm

Tables and chairs being packed away now, Martyn Underhill surrounded by jubilant family and getting lots of hugs from partner Debs

1:57pm

Bournemouth Echo: Conservative candidate Nick King leaves the count

Disappointed Conservative candidate Nick King leaves the count before the declaration.

1:56pm

Lib Dem candidate Andy Canning is only other candidate still here, the local pubs must be doing well today

1:54pm

Poole's second preferences - 680 for Nick King and 1534 for Martyn Underhill

and Bournemouth - 705 for Nick King and 1695 for Martyn Underhill

just west Dorset to go

1:53pm

Bournemouth Echo: Tension in the Conservative camp at the Poole count

Tension in the Conservative ranks

1:46pm

 

1:45pm

Purbeck's second preferences

282 for Nick King, 619 for Martyn Underhill and 457 for eliminated candidates

1:42pm

Second preferences from christchurch

170 for Nick King, 463 for Martyn Underhill and 258 for eliminated ccandidates.

and from East Dorset 301 for Nick King and 764 for Martyn Underhill. 586 for eliminated candidates

1:39pm

Second preferences from Weymouth and Portland

309 for Nick King, 1040 for Martyn Underhill and 728 for eliminated candidates

1:35pm

1:23pm Fri 16 Nov 12

rayc says

roboman1984 wrote:
Re: The Police Commissioners
I think this whole enterprise has been a colossal waste of money. When one considers the cost for employing polling clerks, polling officers not to mention the cost of vote count staff, voting literature and venue hire – all this for a national voting turnout of 16% (due in no small part to the lack of information available) it feels like a wasted exercise.
Each police commissioner will be paid between £60,000 and £100, 000 and each one will tell us what we want to hear i.e. “Making crime fighting the priority”, “more police on the streets”. The police know their own job but they suffer from a lack of funding.
Instead of a police commissioner why not select a non paid body of public and community representatives who the public could go to. The money saved could have been put into the police force in order to improve man power and facilities. The public would have had a link with the police force and we could’ve kept politics out of policing.
Politics is already in policing. The ACPO is a politically motivated organisation and Chief Constables are looking at getting an award such as a knighthood or MBE. The Police Federation also has political motives.
I can't say that I think the outgoing Dorset Police Authority has done a fantastic job in giving Dorset Council Tax payers a good return for their money.

1:35pm

Second preferences in North Dorset

251 for Nick King and 723 for Martin Underhill. There were 415 for eliminated candidates.

 

1:30pm

It's a very different atmosphere in counting hall now, with virtually all the politicians gone.

it's a bit subdued as we wait to hear the inevitable

1:12pm

Nick King, who has not stuck around to hear the result declared, said Mr Underhill deserved his victory and had worked hard for it.

"I think an awful lot of people didn't understand the premise," he said. "And there was a backlash against parties.

"it shows that someone who's very well funded can overcome the volunteer advantage that we have.

"I really want him to build the links with neighbourhood watches that he has promised and follow through on the promises on volunteers and special constables that he's made."

1:04pm

Rachel Rogers wished Mr Underhill all the best and said she hoped he honoured his obligations to represent all the people of Dorset and to maintain an open, honest and transparent connection with the people that voted for him - and those that didn'tdidn't

1:00pm

12:59pm

Counting of second preferences now underway

12:54pm

Andy Canning warned that Martyn Underhill would have an "uphill struggle" in the job because of lack of media coverage and public interest.

He added that the panel that will scrutinise Mr Underhill and his work was dominated by Conservatives and could hinder his efforts

12:51pm

But the local Labour Party are pleased with their share of the vote in Weymouth and Bournemouth.

And both defeated candidates said they enjoyed the campaign and found it a great experience

12:49pm

12:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12

calmdowndear says

Who ever gets this useless job will be paid 70,000 pounds a year,it takes me over 3 and half years to earn that and as some are council members i expect they have other income aswell,so no wonder people have no interest.

12:48pm

Rachel Rogers, Labour candidate, said: "frankly I think the government has failed the public entirely here. They've failed to publicise the election effectively, they've held it at the wrong time of year and they've wasted money on these elections at a time of police cuts."

12:45pm

Interesting facts about the spoilt papers, there were loads with comments stating the process was a sham and lots with rather explicit drawings on them. Instead of putting a cross, many drew something else entirely...

12:40pm

Andy Canning, Lib Dem candidate, said: "I think there's an overwhelming rejection of the concept of Pccs - the low turnout and high number of spoilt ballot papers and the fact that the non party candidate is going to win are signs that people didn't want this in the first place."

12:36pm

So the Labour and Lib Dem candidates are out of the contest now and the second preferences on their votes are now being counted.

Interestingly, neither are hanging around. I think Martyn Underhill will be on the stage on his own when he is declared the winner

12:26pm

Stage 1 results
Canning 9963
King 31165
Rogers 11596
Underhill 43425
There were 2527 rejected ballot papers and overall turnout was 16.77%
 

12:11pm

That petition we mentioned earlier "My non-vote was a No vote" is now getting five new signatures a minute.

12:07pm

Electoral returning officer Paul Morris is going to formally announce the stage one results in 5 minutes

12:06pm

Final voting figures from East Dorset

Canning 893

King 4540

Rogers 940

Underhill 6476

 

12:03pm

If you're not registered to comment and you have something to add, you can email newsdesk@bournemouthecho.co.uk

11:48am

Bournemouth's vote is in and it's clear it will now go to a second round, where second preferences are counted.

Canning 1511

King 6543

Rogers 2988

Underhill 7329

11:46am

And the telltale piles of votes...

Bournemouth Echo:

11:45am

Bournemouth Echo:

11:45am

Bournemouth Echo:

11:44am

Some pictures from Richard Crease at the count: 

Bournemouth Echo:

11:43am

It will be interesting to see whether the other candidates share a stage with Martyn Underhill when he is declared the winner. There's definitely a bit of tension there

11:42am

We will be asking this question, and we'll post the answer as soon as we know

11:41am

On a separate note, there seem to be quite a lot of spoilt ballot papers - some people have definitely take the opportunity to make a stand

11:39am

West dorset has voted like this

Canning 2763

King 4952

Rogers 1720

Underhill 7120

11:37am

We are waiting on results from Bournemouth, East Dorset and West Dorset. Martyn Underhill would love to win it in the first round.

11:34am

11:23am Fri 16 Nov 12

TimAFCB says

I feel angry that I could not use my vote. I would normally vote Conservative during a General Election but I have been known to vote Liberal for Local Elections. Rather than just voting for the party I would usually vote for (which I feel a lot of people who cast votes have done) or taken the line to keep politics out of Policing and voted Independant (possibly funded by a property landlord with a dubious reputation), I am very afraid the wrong person for the job will be elected because of the lack of information available.

11:34am

11:23am Fri 16 Nov 12

Humf says

Drastic police cutbacks in every force and several million pounds wasted on electing a person we know little about or know little about what the job actually they are going to do.

People made their vote by not bothering to.

11:28am

It seems pretty clear now that Dorset's first PCC will be Independent Martyn Underhill. Just a question of whether he can do it in the first round.

I think there's been a backlash against political candidates, and Martyn's police experience has clearly gone down well with voters

11:27am

For those interested, here's what the Dorset Police Federation has to say about the election and turnout:

11:21am

11:21am

Poole's results

Canning 1958

King 5820

Rogers 2078

Underhill 8219

11:10am

Christchurch results

Canning 417, King 2061, Rogers 635, Underhill 3548

11:08am

Again, Martyn can't quite get to 50% but very close

11:07am

Provisional results from north dorset

Andy Canning, 782

Nick King, 3583

Rachel Rogers 837

Martyn Underhill 4074

11:03am

Martyn Underhill is picking up an awful lot of votes  but getting 50% of the first preferences is a big ask. It's definitely possible though

11:00am

Provisional results from Weymouth and Portland - Andy Canning, lib Dem, 788, Nick King, Conservative, 1643, Rachel Rogers, Labour, 1711 and Independent Martyn Underhill 3809

10:51am

Votes from Purbeck region are as follows -851 for Andy canning, 2023 for nick king, 713 for Rachel Rodgers and 2850 for Martyn Underhill

10:43am

9:50am Fri 16 Nov 12

The Seasider says

If I was a betting man, my betting slip (for Dorset) would be:
Winner: Independent candidate
2nd: Tory
3rd: Labour
4th: Lib Dem
Turnout: 14%

I dont expect it will take very long to find out how wrong I am!

10:41am

The general feeling is it will go to a second round. Candidate needs 50% of votes after first count to be declared winner at that stage. If they fall short of this figure, second preferences will be counted

10:32am

People avidly monitoring the ballot papers believe it's close between Conservative Nick King and Independent Martyn Underhill

10:29am

Poole's turnout was 16.073%, Christchurch's 17.338%, East Dorset 18.276%, 18.110% in North Dorset, 18.335% in Purbeck and 15.925% in Weymouth and Portland

10:22am

I've got some details on turnout, it ranges from 13.32% in Bournemouth to 21.56%  in West Dorset. I think everyone knew it would be low but Bournemouth's figure is particularly disappointing

10:21am

The BBC are reporting at 16.8% turnout for Dorset.

10:20am

10:18am Fri 16 Nov 12

isthisit says

One reason for a poor turnout was lack of publicity other reason is that there isn't much point as nothing really changes as central government in London control everything,and until we have a change from the three main parties nothing will.

10:14am

10:07am

10:03am

I've just arrived at the count, it is a veritable hive of activity. All the votes are being sorted and it seems like every politician in Dorset is here watching proceedings.

10:01am

9:52am

Our first prediction from the comments...

9:50am Fri 16 Nov 12

The Seasider says

If I was a betting man, my betting slip (for Dorset) would be:
Winner: Independent candidate
2nd: Tory
3rd: Labour
4th: Lib Dem
Turnout: 14%

I dont expect it will take very long to find out how wrong I am!

9:52am

I've just been pointed in the direction of this petition, created by a man from Dorset. It says: 

The undersigned believe that the current Police and Crime Commissioner positions, as enacted in the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act that became law 2011, are fundamentally flawed.

 

Since there was no way of expressing this during the election we, the undersigned, were forced to:

* not vote
* spoil our ballot
* vote for the candidate that would do the least harm

We wish to express that this was not an act of apathy, or an uninformed electorate, but a deliberate decision.

As a short term action by the government we would prefer a return to the old Police Authorities that, while flawed, are far superior to the new PCC roles.

779 people have signed it so far. 

9:46am

For those of you who live over the border in Hampshire, the count there has also started

9:43am

Lowest reported turnout so far is I think Coventry, at a paltry 11 per cent. A councillor there is reporting that only 6 per cent of that was at the polls with the rest postal votes. And two polling stations had no voters at all.

9:42am

Rachel Rogers posted last night that turnout in her home turf of Weymouth and Portland was 15.9%.

9:41am

Mel Vass is on her way to the count now, by the way, so we'll have updates from Lighthouse soon.

9:40am

Interesting fact: we've called in apathy in our story about low turn out today, but the piece we wrote yesterday about the elections was in fact the most-read of the day - which suggests it's not that many people don't care, it's that they really are opposed on principle. 

The big question is, will that make it harder for the elected PCC to do their job?

9:37am

16.8 per cent comparatively not bad - but the turnout for the Branksome East byelection was nearly 30 per cent, which may have had a knock on effect.

 

 

9:33am

9:33am Fri 16 Nov 12

TimAFCB says

Apart from a brief statement I could not find any information on any of the candidates on the internet at all. Lots of I will do this, I will do that if elected, but no explanations of how it would be funded or how many front line Police Officers would be cut in order to fund these ideas. I saw statements like 'I would provide a village Policeman' - Why? Rural areas have a lower crime rate than towns so why deploy resources where they are needed less? Chasing the rural vote?

9:32am

9:32am Fri 16 Nov 12

The Liberal says

Totally agree with Old Colonial and the smiling assassin. It's not apathy: many people simply don't see the need for an elected commissioner and are against the whole idea, so either didn't vote or spoiled their ballot papers. Why wasn't a ‘No Police and Crime Commissioner’ option on the ballot paper?

9:31am

9:26am

9:23am

Just reading that in Greater Manchester, where there was also a byelection, turnout was just 13.5 per cent

9:22am

Here's what Labour's Yvette Cooper has said about the elections in general:

As the government's flagship police reform policy, these police and crime commissioner elections have been a complete shambles.

 

e warned the government repeatedly that they had the wrong approach and that turnout would be low. Theresa May and David Cameron didn't listen and it is shocking that they have spent £100m on these elections rather than on 3,000 police constables instead.

The Electoral Reform Society has described the Government's handling of these elections as a "comedy of errors."

 

ime and again on the doorstep people told us either they didn't have enough information, didn't know the elections were happening, didn't support them or didn't want to go out in the dark to vote.

Theresa May and David Cameron need to explain why they have spent so much money on elections that have had such low public support, why they provided so little public information and why they chose to hold elections in November too.

9:20am

8:44am Fri 16 Nov 12

Old Colonial says

This is not apathy. It's a rejection of the whole idea, together with disapproval of the candidates. If more people had turned out and just spoiled their voting papers it may have given a clearer indication of the general mood.

9:20am

8:43am Fri 16 Nov 12

the smiling assassin says

The reason many people haven’t voted has nothing to do with apathy. It’s simply because the majority of the population don’t see a need for an elected police commissioner! We don’t want the police, the NHS or any other public services to be politicised!
*
Added to the fact that there has been very little information provided regarding the who the candidates are and what they stand for means that people just don’t know who to vote for even if we wanted a police commissioner!
*
P.S. When I think ‘Police Commissioner’, I think of the 60’s TV series ‘Batman’ with the bumbling ineffective Chief of Police in Gotham City; Commissioner Gordon!!!

9:19am

8:22am Fri 16 Nov 12

boscombewizard says

It shouldn't take them long to count I guess. There had been 80 in at my station by 8:00 p.m.

It does increase the value of every vote.

9:17am

We had an interesting discussion in Echo Towers yesterday: non-voters arguing that a low turnout would send the message to the government that no-one really wants/understands/is interested in PCCs and the other side arguing that in four years time when this term is finished, the role will be so established that the low turnout this time round will be forgotten.

9:14am

9:02am

9:02am

8:58am

Asked about the low turnout in Wiltshire yestershire, the new PCC Angus Macpherson said the election was "less a mandate and more a large job interview". Thoughts?

8:56am

8:56am

8:55am

8:54am

Good morning from Echo Towers. Mel Vass will be your guide through today's count for the Police and Crime Comissioner election but it seems that turn out was dismal yesterday.

One polling station saw 50 people all day and another only 25 out of a potential 1500.  We've been told by one voter that when they cast their vote at 6pm they were 55 and 56 out of 1500. 

So, we don't expect the count to take a terribly long time, just based on the number of ballot papers.

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9:32am Fri 16 Nov 12

The Liberal says...

Totally agree with Old Colonial and the smiling assassin. It's not apathy: many people simply don't see the need for an elected commissioner and are against the whole idea, so either didn't vote or spoiled their ballot papers. Why wasn't a ‘No Police and Crime Commissioner’ option on the ballot paper?
Totally agree with Old Colonial and the smiling assassin. It's not apathy: many people simply don't see the need for an elected commissioner and are against the whole idea, so either didn't vote or spoiled their ballot papers. Why wasn't a ‘No Police and Crime Commissioner’ option on the ballot paper? The Liberal
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9:33am Fri 16 Nov 12

TimAFCB says...

Apart from a brief statement I could not find any information on any of the candidates on the internet at all. Lots of I will do this, I will do that if elected, but no explanations of how it would be funded or how many front line Police Officers would be cut in order to fund these ideas. I saw statements like 'I would provide a village Policeman' - Why? Rural areas have a lower crime rate than towns so why deploy resources where they are needed less? Chasing the rural vote?
Apart from a brief statement I could not find any information on any of the candidates on the internet at all. Lots of I will do this, I will do that if elected, but no explanations of how it would be funded or how many front line Police Officers would be cut in order to fund these ideas. I saw statements like 'I would provide a village Policeman' - Why? Rural areas have a lower crime rate than towns so why deploy resources where they are needed less? Chasing the rural vote? TimAFCB
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9:50am Fri 16 Nov 12

The Seasider says...

If I was a betting man, my betting slip (for Dorset) would be:
Winner: Independent candidate
2nd: Tory
3rd: Labour
4th: Lib Dem
Turnout: 14%

I dont expect it will take very long to find out how wrong I am!
If I was a betting man, my betting slip (for Dorset) would be: Winner: Independent candidate 2nd: Tory 3rd: Labour 4th: Lib Dem Turnout: 14% I dont expect it will take very long to find out how wrong I am! The Seasider
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9:51am Fri 16 Nov 12

live-and-let-live says...

far from apathetic, i went out of my way yesterday to spoil my vote.
far from apathetic, i went out of my way yesterday to spoil my vote. live-and-let-live
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10:18am Fri 16 Nov 12

isthisit says...

One reason for a poor turnout was lack of publicity other reason is that there isn't much point as nothing really changes as central government in London control everything,and until we have a change from the three main parties nothing will.
One reason for a poor turnout was lack of publicity other reason is that there isn't much point as nothing really changes as central government in London control everything,and until we have a change from the three main parties nothing will. isthisit
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10:32am Fri 16 Nov 12

Avengerboy says...

If the turnout is less than 25% .... scrap the whole idea.The Tories like to use low voting figures to hammer the Unions (representing ordinary British workers), I wonder how they will weasel out of this mess.
If the turnout is less than 25% .... scrap the whole idea.The Tories like to use low voting figures to hammer the Unions (representing ordinary British workers), I wonder how they will weasel out of this mess. Avengerboy
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10:36am Fri 16 Nov 12

Avengerboy says...

Every ballot paper for any vote in the UK must have the option 'None of the above'. The memory of those who fought and died for voting rights will then safely be upheld and our disgust with whats on offer enshrined in the obvious result!!
Every ballot paper for any vote in the UK must have the option 'None of the above'. The memory of those who fought and died for voting rights will then safely be upheld and our disgust with whats on offer enshrined in the obvious result!! Avengerboy
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10:53am Fri 16 Nov 12

The Liberal says...

Avengerboy wrote:
If the turnout is less than 25% .... scrap the whole idea.The Tories like to use low voting figures to hammer the Unions (representing ordinary British workers), I wonder how they will weasel out of this mess.
They'll just claim it's apathy or confusion – they'll probably even claim deliberately spoiled ballot papers are a result of confusion about the preferential voting system.
[quote][p][bold]Avengerboy[/bold] wrote: If the turnout is less than 25% .... scrap the whole idea.The Tories like to use low voting figures to hammer the Unions (representing ordinary British workers), I wonder how they will weasel out of this mess.[/p][/quote]They'll just claim it's apathy or confusion – they'll probably even claim deliberately spoiled ballot papers are a result of confusion about the preferential voting system. The Liberal
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11:23am Fri 16 Nov 12

Humf says...

Drastic police cutbacks in every force and several million pounds wasted on electing a person we know little about or know little about what the job actually they are going to do.

People made their vote by not bothering to.
Drastic police cutbacks in every force and several million pounds wasted on electing a person we know little about or know little about what the job actually they are going to do. People made their vote by not bothering to. Humf
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11:23am Fri 16 Nov 12

TimAFCB says...

I feel angry that I could not use my vote. I would normally vote Conservative during a General Election but I have been known to vote Liberal for Local Elections. Rather than just voting for the party I would usually vote for (which I feel a lot of people who cast votes have done) or taken the line to keep politics out of Policing and voted Independant (possibly funded by a property landlord with a dubious reputation), I am very afraid the wrong person for the job will be elected because of the lack of information available.
I feel angry that I could not use my vote. I would normally vote Conservative during a General Election but I have been known to vote Liberal for Local Elections. Rather than just voting for the party I would usually vote for (which I feel a lot of people who cast votes have done) or taken the line to keep politics out of Policing and voted Independant (possibly funded by a property landlord with a dubious reputation), I am very afraid the wrong person for the job will be elected because of the lack of information available. TimAFCB
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11:39am Fri 16 Nov 12

John T says...

Thank goodness it looks like No NickKing for Dorset Police.
Well done to Martyn Underhill if he wins with so much deliberately stacked against him, e.g. no FREEPOST for candidates, ridiculously high deposit required from independent candidates and, of course, the promotion of Nick King by the Echo.
Thank goodness it looks like No NickKing for Dorset Police. Well done to Martyn Underhill if he wins with so much deliberately stacked against him, e.g. no FREEPOST for candidates, ridiculously high deposit required from independent candidates and, of course, the promotion of Nick King by the Echo. John T
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11:42am Fri 16 Nov 12

Melanie.Read12 says...

Is the returning officer at the count announcing the number of spoiled ballot papers, as well as the votes for each candidate?
It would be very interesting to know these figures also - as some people have spoiled their paper, as an alternative to abstaining.
Is the returning officer at the count announcing the number of spoiled ballot papers, as well as the votes for each candidate? It would be very interesting to know these figures also - as some people have spoiled their paper, as an alternative to abstaining. Melanie.Read12
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11:50am Fri 16 Nov 12

pd7 says...

looks like around 75% could not care less .
looks like around 75% could not care less . pd7
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12:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

John T says...

Was the low turn out due to lack of information about the candidates or apathy?

I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T CARE!
Was the low turn out due to lack of information about the candidates or apathy? I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T CARE! John T
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12:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12

calmdowndear says...

Who ever gets this useless job will be paid 70,000 pounds a year,it takes me over 3 and half years to earn that and as some are council members i expect they have other income aswell,so no wonder people have no interest.
Who ever gets this useless job will be paid 70,000 pounds a year,it takes me over 3 and half years to earn that and as some are council members i expect they have other income aswell,so no wonder people have no interest. calmdowndear
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12:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Nigel Blumenthal says...

Quote:
Andy Canning, Lib Dem candidate, said: "I think there's an overwhelming rejection of the concept of Pccs - the low turnout and high number of spoilt ballot papers and the fact that the non party candidate is going to win are signs that people didn't want this in the first place."
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Unmitigated rubbish, Andy. The low turnout and the high number of spoiled papers reflects a lack of publicity and preparedness on the part of the government, who conveniently forgot to explain this to anyone or to find funds to run it properly, and the high number of votes for the non-party candidate just reflects the total lack of trust that people have in any party politicians.
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As usual, the Lib Dems are talking out of their backsides.
Quote: Andy Canning, Lib Dem candidate, said: "I think there's an overwhelming rejection of the concept of Pccs - the low turnout and high number of spoilt ballot papers and the fact that the non party candidate is going to win are signs that people didn't want this in the first place." . Unmitigated rubbish, Andy. The low turnout and the high number of spoiled papers reflects a lack of publicity and preparedness on the part of the government, who conveniently forgot to explain this to anyone or to find funds to run it properly, and the high number of votes for the non-party candidate just reflects the total lack of trust that people have in any party politicians. . As usual, the Lib Dems are talking out of their backsides. Nigel Blumenthal
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12:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

j neptune esq says...

Andy Canning also demanded his ball back and said he would scweam and scweam until he was sick.

This whole thing is utterly pointless. Underhill has the backing of 7% of the county.
Andy Canning also demanded his ball back and said he would scweam and scweam until he was sick. This whole thing is utterly pointless. Underhill has the backing of 7% of the county. j neptune esq
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12:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12

rayc says...

Interesting to hear the comments of the Labour and Lib-dem candidates after they were beaten in the first round. No doubt they would have been completely different if they had won.
If they thought like that then why run for the role?
Interesting to hear the comments of the Labour and Lib-dem candidates after they were beaten in the first round. No doubt they would have been completely different if they had won. If they thought like that then why run for the role? rayc
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12:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12

boscombewizard says...

http://www.keeppolit
icsoutofpolicing.co.
uk/my-election-pledg
es/my-manifesto-how-
do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed coatings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest.
http://www.keeppolit icsoutofpolicing.co. uk/my-election-pledg es/my-manifesto-how- do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed coatings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest. boscombewizard
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12:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12

boscombewizard says...

http://www.keeppolit
icsoutofpolicing.co.
uk/my-election-pledg
es/my-manifesto-how-
do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed costings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest.
http://www.keeppolit icsoutofpolicing.co. uk/my-election-pledg es/my-manifesto-how- do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed costings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest. boscombewizard
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12:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12

boscombewizard says...

http://www.keeppolit
icsoutofpolicing.co.
uk/my-election-pledg
es/my-manifesto-how-
do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed costings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest.
http://www.keeppolit icsoutofpolicing.co. uk/my-election-pledg es/my-manifesto-how- do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed costings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest. boscombewizard
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12:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12

boscombewizard says...

http://www.keeppolit
icsoutofpolicing.co.
uk/my-election-pledg
es/my-manifesto-how-
do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed costings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest.
http://www.keeppolit icsoutofpolicing.co. uk/my-election-pledg es/my-manifesto-how- do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed costings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest. boscombewizard
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12:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12

boscombewizard says...

http://www.keeppolit
icsoutofpolicing.co.
uk/my-election-pledg
es/my-manifesto-how-
do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed costings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest.
http://www.keeppolit icsoutofpolicing.co. uk/my-election-pledg es/my-manifesto-how- do-we-pay-for-this/ FAO Timafcb. This candidate listed costings and many other things besides on his website. He seems to have made a real effort to provide information. I do not know him, never met him. So no vested interest. boscombewizard
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1:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

boscombewizard says...

Oops, sorry for all the posts. Not sure how that happened. Can the Echo mods delete the duplicates?
Oops, sorry for all the posts. Not sure how that happened. Can the Echo mods delete the duplicates? boscombewizard
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1:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

allornothing says...

1 PCC or 3 extra officers on the street each year...
1 PCC or 3 extra officers on the street each year... allornothing
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1:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

contric says...

what andy canning should realise is that the lib dems are finished
what andy canning should realise is that the lib dems are finished contric
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1:11pm Fri 16 Nov 12

roboman1984 says...

Re: The Police Commissioners
I think this whole enterprise has been a colossal waste of money. When one considers the cost for employing polling clerks, polling officers not to mention the cost of vote count staff, voting literature and venue hire – all this for a national voting turnout of 16% (due in no small part to the lack of information available) it feels like a wasted exercise.
Each police commissioner will be paid between £60,000 and £100, 000 and each one will tell us what we want to hear i.e. “Making crime fighting the priority”, “more police on the streets”. The police know their own job but they suffer from a lack of funding.
Instead of a police commissioner why not select a non paid body of public and community representatives who the public could go to. The money saved could have been put into the police force in order to improve man power and facilities. The public would have had a link with the police force and we could’ve kept politics out of policing.
Re: The Police Commissioners I think this whole enterprise has been a colossal waste of money. When one considers the cost for employing polling clerks, polling officers not to mention the cost of vote count staff, voting literature and venue hire – all this for a national voting turnout of 16% (due in no small part to the lack of information available) it feels like a wasted exercise. Each police commissioner will be paid between £60,000 and £100, 000 and each one will tell us what we want to hear i.e. “Making crime fighting the priority”, “more police on the streets”. The police know their own job but they suffer from a lack of funding. Instead of a police commissioner why not select a non paid body of public and community representatives who the public could go to. The money saved could have been put into the police force in order to improve man power and facilities. The public would have had a link with the police force and we could’ve kept politics out of policing. roboman1984
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1:23pm Fri 16 Nov 12

rayc says...

roboman1984 wrote:
Re: The Police Commissioners
I think this whole enterprise has been a colossal waste of money. When one considers the cost for employing polling clerks, polling officers not to mention the cost of vote count staff, voting literature and venue hire – all this for a national voting turnout of 16% (due in no small part to the lack of information available) it feels like a wasted exercise.
Each police commissioner will be paid between £60,000 and £100, 000 and each one will tell us what we want to hear i.e. “Making crime fighting the priority”, “more police on the streets”. The police know their own job but they suffer from a lack of funding.
Instead of a police commissioner why not select a non paid body of public and community representatives who the public could go to. The money saved could have been put into the police force in order to improve man power and facilities. The public would have had a link with the police force and we could’ve kept politics out of policing.
Politics is already in policing. The ACPO is a politically motivated organisation and Chief Constables are looking at getting an award such as a knighthood or MBE. The Police Federation also has political motives.
I can't say that I think the outgoing Dorset Police Authority has done a fantastic job in giving Dorset Council Tax payers a good return for their money.
[quote][p][bold]roboman1984[/bold] wrote: Re: The Police Commissioners I think this whole enterprise has been a colossal waste of money. When one considers the cost for employing polling clerks, polling officers not to mention the cost of vote count staff, voting literature and venue hire – all this for a national voting turnout of 16% (due in no small part to the lack of information available) it feels like a wasted exercise. Each police commissioner will be paid between £60,000 and £100, 000 and each one will tell us what we want to hear i.e. “Making crime fighting the priority”, “more police on the streets”. The police know their own job but they suffer from a lack of funding. Instead of a police commissioner why not select a non paid body of public and community representatives who the public could go to. The money saved could have been put into the police force in order to improve man power and facilities. The public would have had a link with the police force and we could’ve kept politics out of policing.[/p][/quote]Politics is already in policing. The ACPO is a politically motivated organisation and Chief Constables are looking at getting an award such as a knighthood or MBE. The Police Federation also has political motives. I can't say that I think the outgoing Dorset Police Authority has done a fantastic job in giving Dorset Council Tax payers a good return for their money. rayc
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1:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12

roboman1984 says...

rayc wrote:
roboman1984 wrote:
Re: The Police Commissioners
I think this whole enterprise has been a colossal waste of money. When one considers the cost for employing polling clerks, polling officers not to mention the cost of vote count staff, voting literature and venue hire – all this for a national voting turnout of 16% (due in no small part to the lack of information available) it feels like a wasted exercise.
Each police commissioner will be paid between £60,000 and £100, 000 and each one will tell us what we want to hear i.e. “Making crime fighting the priority”, “more police on the streets”. The police know their own job but they suffer from a lack of funding.
Instead of a police commissioner why not select a non paid body of public and community representatives who the public could go to. The money saved could have been put into the police force in order to improve man power and facilities. The public would have had a link with the police force and we could’ve kept politics out of policing.
Politics is already in policing. The ACPO is a politically motivated organisation and Chief Constables are looking at getting an award such as a knighthood or MBE. The Police Federation also has political motives.
I can't say that I think the outgoing Dorset Police Authority has done a fantastic job in giving Dorset Council Tax payers a good return for their money.
Sorry I shoulve said "on this occasion".
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roboman1984[/bold] wrote: Re: The Police Commissioners I think this whole enterprise has been a colossal waste of money. When one considers the cost for employing polling clerks, polling officers not to mention the cost of vote count staff, voting literature and venue hire – all this for a national voting turnout of 16% (due in no small part to the lack of information available) it feels like a wasted exercise. Each police commissioner will be paid between £60,000 and £100, 000 and each one will tell us what we want to hear i.e. “Making crime fighting the priority”, “more police on the streets”. The police know their own job but they suffer from a lack of funding. Instead of a police commissioner why not select a non paid body of public and community representatives who the public could go to. The money saved could have been put into the police force in order to improve man power and facilities. The public would have had a link with the police force and we could’ve kept politics out of policing.[/p][/quote]Politics is already in policing. The ACPO is a politically motivated organisation and Chief Constables are looking at getting an award such as a knighthood or MBE. The Police Federation also has political motives. I can't say that I think the outgoing Dorset Police Authority has done a fantastic job in giving Dorset Council Tax payers a good return for their money.[/p][/quote]Sorry I shoulve said "on this occasion". roboman1984
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2:19pm Fri 16 Nov 12

super_soup says...

One can't help but feel that if Londoners were also voting for a PCC then the advertising, information, profile and thus turnout of the election would have been a lot better.

London-centric politics means the London-centric national media didn't really give two-hoots about this whole exercise.
One can't help but feel that if Londoners were also voting for a PCC then the advertising, information, profile and thus turnout of the election would have been a lot better. London-centric politics means the London-centric national media didn't really give two-hoots about this whole exercise. super_soup
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2:21pm Fri 16 Nov 12

The Liberal says...

At least Andy Canning was up front before the election, saying he didn't believe we needed PCCs. And at least he is staying for the declaration of the result - unlike Nick King, who it seems is a bad loser.
 
Well done Martyn Underhill, keeping politics out of policing.
At least Andy Canning was up front before the election, saying he didn't believe we needed PCCs. And at least he is staying for the declaration of the result - unlike Nick King, who it seems is a bad loser.   Well done Martyn Underhill, keeping politics out of policing. The Liberal
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2:34pm Fri 16 Nov 12

George Bowling says...

Congratulations Martyn.

I hope we see more independents standing in future council and general elections. This result shows people want an alternative to the offerings of the traditional parties.
Congratulations Martyn. I hope we see more independents standing in future council and general elections. This result shows people want an alternative to the offerings of the traditional parties. George Bowling
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2:35pm Fri 16 Nov 12

pete woodley says...

I wish i could say it was a fair fight,but in my opinion it WAS NOT,the mudslinging against Nick King was disgraceful and Underhill should be ashamed of himself.All pals together now at Headquarters.Police rule.
I wish i could say it was a fair fight,but in my opinion it WAS NOT,the mudslinging against Nick King was disgraceful and Underhill should be ashamed of himself.All pals together now at Headquarters.Police rule. pete woodley
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2:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Old Colonial says...

Let's hope this sends a clear message. The electorate are sick and tired of politicians. I still do not agree with the new system, but well done Martyn, although you may be in for a sticky ride. You've probably just made three new enemies. Watch your back.
Let's hope this sends a clear message. The electorate are sick and tired of politicians. I still do not agree with the new system, but well done Martyn, although you may be in for a sticky ride. You've probably just made three new enemies. Watch your back. Old Colonial
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2:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

John T says...

Well done, Martyn.

Omnipotence triumphs over omnishambles!
Well done, Martyn. Omnipotence triumphs over omnishambles! John T
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2:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

John T says...

pete woodley wrote:
I wish i could say it was a fair fight,but in my opinion it WAS NOT,the mudslinging against Nick King was disgraceful and Underhill should be ashamed of himself.All pals together now at Headquarters.Police rule.
pete woodley is being as magnanimous in defeat as ever; mind you, he has had plenty of practice.
Nevertheless, thank you, pete, for the unintended support your comments on this site have given to Martyn.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: I wish i could say it was a fair fight,but in my opinion it WAS NOT,the mudslinging against Nick King was disgraceful and Underhill should be ashamed of himself.All pals together now at Headquarters.Police rule.[/p][/quote]pete woodley is being as magnanimous in defeat as ever; mind you, he has had plenty of practice. Nevertheless, thank you, pete, for the unintended support your comments on this site have given to Martyn. John T
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2:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

The money cpuld be better spent employing somebody to investigate the running of Bournemouth council.
The money cpuld be better spent employing somebody to investigate the running of Bournemouth council. Bob49
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3:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

simplythebest says...

The running of Bournemouth Council is a crime in itself. Maybe Mr Underhill can get the police to solve that in addition to the Boscombe problems.

Keep politicians out of policing. Absolutely right. The poor turnout should provoke quesitons about Teresa May's position as well.
The running of Bournemouth Council is a crime in itself. Maybe Mr Underhill can get the police to solve that in addition to the Boscombe problems. Keep politicians out of policing. Absolutely right. The poor turnout should provoke quesitons about Teresa May's position as well. simplythebest
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3:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12

isthisit says...

TimAFCB wrote:
I feel angry that I could not use my vote. I would normally vote Conservative during a General Election but I have been known to vote Liberal for Local Elections. Rather than just voting for the party I would usually vote for (which I feel a lot of people who cast votes have done) or taken the line to keep politics out of Policing and voted Independant (possibly funded by a property landlord with a dubious reputation), I am very afraid the wrong person for the job will be elected because of the lack of information available.
You admit you voted for these clowns we have now in government ,shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]TimAFCB[/bold] wrote: I feel angry that I could not use my vote. I would normally vote Conservative during a General Election but I have been known to vote Liberal for Local Elections. Rather than just voting for the party I would usually vote for (which I feel a lot of people who cast votes have done) or taken the line to keep politics out of Policing and voted Independant (possibly funded by a property landlord with a dubious reputation), I am very afraid the wrong person for the job will be elected because of the lack of information available.[/p][/quote]You admit you voted for these clowns we have now in government ,shame on you. isthisit
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3:27pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Gordon Cann says...

Nice to see that In Tory Dorset that the Independent won
Nice to see that In Tory Dorset that the Independent won Gordon Cann
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3:34pm Fri 16 Nov 12

John T says...

Bournemouth's MP has just tweeted: 'I suspect we will live to regretcreating these Police Commissioners. I regret voting for the Bill.'
Why am I not surprised by this opportunistic comment from Burns, when, against all the odds and against all the obstacles put in his way, one of his constituents has just become Dorset's Independent Police Commissioner?
Bournemouth's MP has just tweeted: 'I suspect we will live to regretcreating these Police Commissioners. I regret voting for the Bill.' Why am I not surprised by this opportunistic comment from Burns, when, against all the odds and against all the obstacles put in his way, one of his constituents has just become Dorset's Independent Police Commissioner? John T
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3:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

pete woodley says...

i have no time for burns either.
i have no time for burns either. pete woodley
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4:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Glashen says...

pete woodley wrote:
I wish i could say it was a fair fight,but in my opinion it WAS NOT,the mudslinging against Nick King was disgraceful and Underhill should be ashamed of himself.All pals together now at Headquarters.Police rule.
From where I stood it did not appear to be Martyn Underhill who started the dubious tactics, though I agree he regrettably took part in them. But somebody did once say "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" . Good Advice for Nick King.
-
I think the truth is for those who voted, they saw in Martyn Underhill someone who was not in the pocket of one party and at least seems to understand the challenges that Dorset Police face.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: I wish i could say it was a fair fight,but in my opinion it WAS NOT,the mudslinging against Nick King was disgraceful and Underhill should be ashamed of himself.All pals together now at Headquarters.Police rule.[/p][/quote]From where I stood it did not appear to be Martyn Underhill who started the dubious tactics, though I agree he regrettably took part in them. But somebody did once say "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" . Good Advice for Nick King. - I think the truth is for those who voted, they saw in Martyn Underhill someone who was not in the pocket of one party and at least seems to understand the challenges that Dorset Police face. Glashen
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4:43pm Fri 16 Nov 12

davecook says...

Now the voting is over, I do have a comment or two to make. Firstly, I was given wrong information at the poll booth. I wanted to vote for a particular person, but was surprised to see a choice for a second vote. I was told that if it was a tie, the second choice would be counted. So my second choice was Martyn. Seeing as nobody who votes Labour would ever vote Conservative as second choice, but might vote independant, and anybody voting Conservative would never vote Labour, but may well vote independant as a second choice, it is clear that by the time you add in the people who made a political point by voting for Martyn as a way of protesting against the parties, Martyn was almost guaranteed the post. Secondly, never again should we be put into the position of having an alternative vote. This is a crackpot scheme dreamed up by LibDems, and obviously foisted upon us here and now to show what rubbish it is. Fortunately, the winner of the first round also won the second, otherwise it would have been most unfair. Particularly for any, like myself, who gave a competitor candidate a vote against my wishes due to poor instruction within the polling station.
Now the voting is over, I do have a comment or two to make. Firstly, I was given wrong information at the poll booth. I wanted to vote for a particular person, but was surprised to see a choice for a second vote. I was told that if it was a tie, the second choice would be counted. So my second choice was Martyn. Seeing as nobody who votes Labour would ever vote Conservative as second choice, but might vote independant, and anybody voting Conservative would never vote Labour, but may well vote independant as a second choice, it is clear that by the time you add in the people who made a political point by voting for Martyn as a way of protesting against the parties, Martyn was almost guaranteed the post. Secondly, never again should we be put into the position of having an alternative vote. This is a crackpot scheme dreamed up by LibDems, and obviously foisted upon us here and now to show what rubbish it is. Fortunately, the winner of the first round also won the second, otherwise it would have been most unfair. Particularly for any, like myself, who gave a competitor candidate a vote against my wishes due to poor instruction within the polling station. davecook
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4:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

The Seasider says...

The Seasider wrote:
If I was a betting man, my betting slip (for Dorset) would be:
Winner: Independent candidate
2nd: Tory
3rd: Labour
4th: Lib Dem
Turnout: 14%

I dont expect it will take very long to find out how wrong I am!
I knew I should have had a quid on it at the bookies!

I wonder if this win will inspire more Independents of good quality to fight the general election? There has never been a better time, think about it:

1. The Lib-Dems have been virtually wiped off the British political map (mainly due to the colossal U-turn over education fee's).

2. The Torys cut top-rate income tax for the rich, increased aid abroad but slashed all UK public spending on essential services whilst also failing to get a grip on welfare budgets or collect tax from huge corporations... a lot of people not too happy about that.

3. Labour. Is Milliband up to the job? Can we risk another £1 trillion of debt added to what Blair/ Brown managed to achieve?

All of that leaves huge scope for Independents to make their mark!
[quote][p][bold]The Seasider[/bold] wrote: If I was a betting man, my betting slip (for Dorset) would be: Winner: Independent candidate 2nd: Tory 3rd: Labour 4th: Lib Dem Turnout: 14% I dont expect it will take very long to find out how wrong I am![/p][/quote]I knew I should have had a quid on it at the bookies! I wonder if this win will inspire more Independents of good quality to fight the general election? There has never been a better time, think about it: 1. The Lib-Dems have been virtually wiped off the British political map (mainly due to the colossal U-turn over education fee's). 2. The Torys cut top-rate income tax for the rich, increased aid abroad but slashed all UK public spending on essential services whilst also failing to get a grip on welfare budgets or collect tax from huge corporations... a lot of people not too happy about that. 3. Labour. Is Milliband up to the job? Can we risk another £1 trillion of debt added to what Blair/ Brown managed to achieve? All of that leaves huge scope for Independents to make their mark! The Seasider
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4:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

EGHH says...

In those photos Nick King looks like the sort of bloke I'd avoid in a pub! If that's the friendly face of conservatism I'll place my vote somewhere else. I expect he is a very nice man though.
In those photos Nick King looks like the sort of bloke I'd avoid in a pub! If that's the friendly face of conservatism I'll place my vote somewhere else. I expect he is a very nice man though. EGHH
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4:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

stonkin says...

I'm not surprised an independent won here. They'll get the "All the political parties are rubbish" vote. Then when it goes to 2nd choices, Tories will either not vote or vote independent, Libs will vote Labour or Independent, Labs will vote Lib Dem or independent. For a Tory to win they'll pretty much have to win in the first round.

PS: I've heard a rumour that our new PCC got funding from a certain businessman called Mr Wells. Anybody confirm that?
I'm not surprised an independent won here. They'll get the "All the political parties are rubbish" vote. Then when it goes to 2nd choices, Tories will either not vote or vote independent, Libs will vote Labour or Independent, Labs will vote Lib Dem or independent. For a Tory to win they'll pretty much have to win in the first round. PS: I've heard a rumour that our new PCC got funding from a certain businessman called Mr Wells. Anybody confirm that? stonkin
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4:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

EGHH says...

You should read the tweets from 100s of serving police officers who all think it's the biggest disaster since the the police were founded. All say the money could have been spent on increasing the numbers of coppers on the beat instead of cutting them.

As one officer put it, " Would you allow an elected lay person to tell your doctor how to do his job?" But we have done just that. We will live to regret this stupid idea.

This is the ConDems playing politics with the policing.

And I have sneaking suspicion that is how the Tories plan to privatise our police forces.
You should read the tweets from 100s of serving police officers who all think it's the biggest disaster since the the police were founded. All say the money could have been spent on increasing the numbers of coppers on the beat instead of cutting them. As one officer put it, " Would you allow an elected lay person to tell your doctor how to do his job?" But we have done just that. We will live to regret this stupid idea. This is the ConDems playing politics with the policing. And I have sneaking suspicion that is how the Tories plan to privatise our police forces. EGHH
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4:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12

pete woodley says...

He is EGHH,and was a very good councillor,unfortuna
tely being a conservative he took the brunt of the anti political views.Nothing wrong with keeping politics out,but as Glashen has said Underhill took part in some nasty campaigning.He is not a true independent.
He is EGHH,and was a very good councillor,unfortuna tely being a conservative he took the brunt of the anti political views.Nothing wrong with keeping politics out,but as Glashen has said Underhill took part in some nasty campaigning.He is not a true independent. pete woodley
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5:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12

s-pb2 says...

Congratulations to the winner. Maybe the landscape of politics is changing, maybe the people have had enough of politicians....sorry dreaming there!

I did go to vote, although i spoilt my paper as i thought all 4 candidates were rubbish.

It was obvious that the parties didnt actually want to win this. None of them made any effort to engage with the electorate. None of them called in favours from supporters regards printing cheap flyers etc. None of them mobilised there supporters in getting out there and stuffing a sheet of paper backing their candidate, through peoples letterboxes. They just wernt interested, and neither were we. Monumental waste of money
Congratulations to the winner. Maybe the landscape of politics is changing, maybe the people have had enough of politicians....sorry dreaming there! I did go to vote, although i spoilt my paper as i thought all 4 candidates were rubbish. It was obvious that the parties didnt actually want to win this. None of them made any effort to engage with the electorate. None of them called in favours from supporters regards printing cheap flyers etc. None of them mobilised there supporters in getting out there and stuffing a sheet of paper backing their candidate, through peoples letterboxes. They just wernt interested, and neither were we. Monumental waste of money s-pb2
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5:11pm Fri 16 Nov 12

s-pb2 says...

Bob49 wrote:
The money cpuld be better spent employing somebody to investigate the running of Bournemouth council.
No it wouldnt. Would have been better spent on having more police.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: The money cpuld be better spent employing somebody to investigate the running of Bournemouth council.[/p][/quote]No it wouldnt. Would have been better spent on having more police. s-pb2
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5:14pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Square Old Codger says...

Nigel Blumenthal wrote:
Quote: Andy Canning, Lib Dem candidate, said: "I think there's an overwhelming rejection of the concept of Pccs - the low turnout and high number of spoilt ballot papers and the fact that the non party candidate is going to win are signs that people didn't want this in the first place." . Unmitigated rubbish, Andy. The low turnout and the high number of spoiled papers reflects a lack of publicity and preparedness on the part of the government, who conveniently forgot to explain this to anyone or to find funds to run it properly, and the high number of votes for the non-party candidate just reflects the total lack of trust that people have in any party politicians. . As usual, the Lib Dems are talking out of their backsides.
There's an element of truth in his statement, I didn't see any benefit at all in the whole concept and certainly don't want to see political involvement in the Police. As it is we are replacing a man with an outstanding record for an unknown quantity! They of course daren't ask the electorate whether we wanted this balmy American idea! In some area's the vote was below 6% and in the Manchester bye Election the lowest vote ever recorded in a Parliamentary Election, maybe , just maybe the people are shewing their contempt and distaste for Politicians.
[quote][p][bold]Nigel Blumenthal[/bold] wrote: Quote: Andy Canning, Lib Dem candidate, said: "I think there's an overwhelming rejection of the concept of Pccs - the low turnout and high number of spoilt ballot papers and the fact that the non party candidate is going to win are signs that people didn't want this in the first place." . Unmitigated rubbish, Andy. The low turnout and the high number of spoiled papers reflects a lack of publicity and preparedness on the part of the government, who conveniently forgot to explain this to anyone or to find funds to run it properly, and the high number of votes for the non-party candidate just reflects the total lack of trust that people have in any party politicians. . As usual, the Lib Dems are talking out of their backsides.[/p][/quote]There's an element of truth in his statement, I didn't see any benefit at all in the whole concept and certainly don't want to see political involvement in the Police. As it is we are replacing a man with an outstanding record for an unknown quantity! They of course daren't ask the electorate whether we wanted this balmy American idea! In some area's the vote was below 6% and in the Manchester bye Election the lowest vote ever recorded in a Parliamentary Election, maybe , just maybe the people are shewing their contempt and distaste for Politicians. Square Old Codger
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5:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

arthur1948 says...

i would have hoped it wasnt a political possition....clearly taken over by them...

no wonder a low vote
i would have hoped it wasnt a political possition....clearly taken over by them... no wonder a low vote arthur1948
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5:33pm Fri 16 Nov 12

muscliffman says...

Studying the voting turnout and results I have to observe that the new Commissioner 'in charge' of Dorset Police is someone well over 90% of the Dorset public did NOT actually vote for.

PCC, brilliant idea wasn't it!
Studying the voting turnout and results I have to observe that the new Commissioner 'in charge' of Dorset Police is someone well over 90% of the Dorset public did NOT actually vote for. PCC, brilliant idea wasn't it! muscliffman
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5:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

The Renegade Master says...

I couldn't care less who the new Commissioner is it won't make any difference, but if the new man really wants to make an impression he could do that by closing down the parasites at Dorset Road Safe and using the money saved to fight real criminals instead.
I couldn't care less who the new Commissioner is it won't make any difference, but if the new man really wants to make an impression he could do that by closing down the parasites at Dorset Road Safe and using the money saved to fight real criminals instead. The Renegade Master
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6:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Veryhappyincomer says...

davecook wrote:
Now the voting is over, I do have a comment or two to make. Firstly, I was given wrong information at the poll booth. I wanted to vote for a particular person, but was surprised to see a choice for a second vote. I was told that if it was a tie, the second choice would be counted. So my second choice was Martyn. Seeing as nobody who votes Labour would ever vote Conservative as second choice, but might vote independant, and anybody voting Conservative would never vote Labour, but may well vote independant as a second choice, it is clear that by the time you add in the people who made a political point by voting for Martyn as a way of protesting against the parties, Martyn was almost guaranteed the post. Secondly, never again should we be put into the position of having an alternative vote. This is a crackpot scheme dreamed up by LibDems, and obviously foisted upon us here and now to show what rubbish it is. Fortunately, the winner of the first round also won the second, otherwise it would have been most unfair. Particularly for any, like myself, who gave a competitor candidate a vote against my wishes due to poor instruction within the polling station.
I didn't realise that it was STV either. I only voted for one candidate and left the second column blank. Perhaps the instructions should have been clearer, but my single vote would have counted. It is like a council election where you might have two or three votes - you don't have to use them all.
[quote][p][bold]davecook[/bold] wrote: Now the voting is over, I do have a comment or two to make. Firstly, I was given wrong information at the poll booth. I wanted to vote for a particular person, but was surprised to see a choice for a second vote. I was told that if it was a tie, the second choice would be counted. So my second choice was Martyn. Seeing as nobody who votes Labour would ever vote Conservative as second choice, but might vote independant, and anybody voting Conservative would never vote Labour, but may well vote independant as a second choice, it is clear that by the time you add in the people who made a political point by voting for Martyn as a way of protesting against the parties, Martyn was almost guaranteed the post. Secondly, never again should we be put into the position of having an alternative vote. This is a crackpot scheme dreamed up by LibDems, and obviously foisted upon us here and now to show what rubbish it is. Fortunately, the winner of the first round also won the second, otherwise it would have been most unfair. Particularly for any, like myself, who gave a competitor candidate a vote against my wishes due to poor instruction within the polling station.[/p][/quote]I didn't realise that it was STV either. I only voted for one candidate and left the second column blank. Perhaps the instructions should have been clearer, but my single vote would have counted. It is like a council election where you might have two or three votes - you don't have to use them all. Veryhappyincomer
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6:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Veryhappyincomer says...

stonkin wrote:
I'm not surprised an independent won here. They'll get the "All the political parties are rubbish" vote. Then when it goes to 2nd choices, Tories will either not vote or vote independent, Libs will vote Labour or Independent, Labs will vote Lib Dem or independent. For a Tory to win they'll pretty much have to win in the first round.

PS: I've heard a rumour that our new PCC got funding from a certain businessman called Mr Wells. Anybody confirm that?
I believe that he was forced to confirm it himself. He also supports a charity that brings addicts to "rehab" centres on the south coast.

I suspect that more people will vote in the next election in 4 years time, just to get rid of him.
[quote][p][bold]stonkin[/bold] wrote: I'm not surprised an independent won here. They'll get the "All the political parties are rubbish" vote. Then when it goes to 2nd choices, Tories will either not vote or vote independent, Libs will vote Labour or Independent, Labs will vote Lib Dem or independent. For a Tory to win they'll pretty much have to win in the first round. PS: I've heard a rumour that our new PCC got funding from a certain businessman called Mr Wells. Anybody confirm that?[/p][/quote]I believe that he was forced to confirm it himself. He also supports a charity that brings addicts to "rehab" centres on the south coast. I suspect that more people will vote in the next election in 4 years time, just to get rid of him. Veryhappyincomer
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6:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Veryhappyincomer says...

EGHH wrote:
You should read the tweets from 100s of serving police officers who all think it's the biggest disaster since the the police were founded. All say the money could have been spent on increasing the numbers of coppers on the beat instead of cutting them.

As one officer put it, " Would you allow an elected lay person to tell your doctor how to do his job?" But we have done just that. We will live to regret this stupid idea.

This is the ConDems playing politics with the policing.

And I have sneaking suspicion that is how the Tories plan to privatise our police forces.
Other parts of the country already have directly elected PCC's, only they are know as Mayors. There was no election in London because Boris Johnson is already the PCC.

Personally I think that if we can get the right person to do the job it doesn't matter about their background. I do wish that we could have a Ray Mallon type of candidate though. He is Mayor of Middlesbrough and a former policeman known as "RoboCop", but was deeply unpopular among serving police officers. In his first year in office he managed to reduce crime by 20%.
[quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: You should read the tweets from 100s of serving police officers who all think it's the biggest disaster since the the police were founded. All say the money could have been spent on increasing the numbers of coppers on the beat instead of cutting them. As one officer put it, " Would you allow an elected lay person to tell your doctor how to do his job?" But we have done just that. We will live to regret this stupid idea. This is the ConDems playing politics with the policing. And I have sneaking suspicion that is how the Tories plan to privatise our police forces.[/p][/quote]Other parts of the country already have directly elected PCC's, only they are know as Mayors. There was no election in London because Boris Johnson is already the PCC. Personally I think that if we can get the right person to do the job it doesn't matter about their background. I do wish that we could have a Ray Mallon type of candidate though. He is Mayor of Middlesbrough and a former policeman known as "RoboCop", but was deeply unpopular among serving police officers. In his first year in office he managed to reduce crime by 20%. Veryhappyincomer
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7:14pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dj Kaz says...

Had absolutely nothing through the door, didn't see any posters either! I only knew who Martin Underhill was is because the D.E. had a story about him.
Had absolutely nothing through the door, didn't see any posters either! I only knew who Martin Underhill was is because the D.E. had a story about him. Dj Kaz
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8:00pm Fri 16 Nov 12

tracy m says...

Oh well!!

Anything to keep Cleggie and crew on board!

No expense spared!
Oh well!! Anything to keep Cleggie and crew on board! No expense spared! tracy m
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8:00pm Fri 16 Nov 12

tracy m says...

Oh well!!

Anything to keep Cleggie and crew on board!

No expense spared!
Oh well!! Anything to keep Cleggie and crew on board! No expense spared! tracy m
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8:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12

West moors 1 says...

Another waste of our taxes, these MP's are so out of touch. How can this new commissioner have a mandate to run the force when if only 25% of the committee turned up for the local con club, they would have enough people to carry through even the smallest of decisions! mP's live in a glass bubble and are getting worse!
Another waste of our taxes, these MP's are so out of touch. How can this new commissioner have a mandate to run the force when if only 25% of the committee turned up for the local con club, they would have enough people to carry through even the smallest of decisions! mP's live in a glass bubble and are getting worse! West moors 1
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10:50pm Fri 16 Nov 12

s-pb2 says...

The Renegade Master wrote:
I couldn't care less who the new Commissioner is it won't make any difference, but if the new man really wants to make an impression he could do that by closing down the parasites at Dorset Road Safe and using the money saved to fight real criminals instead.
People who break the law on the road are real criminals. They have the same arrogance and disregard for the law as other criminals and should be treated in the same way
[quote][p][bold]The Renegade Master[/bold] wrote: I couldn't care less who the new Commissioner is it won't make any difference, but if the new man really wants to make an impression he could do that by closing down the parasites at Dorset Road Safe and using the money saved to fight real criminals instead.[/p][/quote]People who break the law on the road are real criminals. They have the same arrogance and disregard for the law as other criminals and should be treated in the same way s-pb2
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11:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Clunge says...

Hopefully an ex Policeman as PCC might rid the myth that the Police actually have the time to chase "proper criminals". The average Bobby (and I know a few) spend 75% of their time looking for missing persons who may or may not intend ending their life following an emotional gesture posted on Facebook read by equally emotional friends who call the police, chasing missing persons "lost" from our local mental health hospitals, chasing drug using homeless types who decide not to live in BCHA's biggest money earner - St Paul's Night Shelter and are reported as missing, arresting and processing men (sometimes women) who decide to beat the living daylight of partners, despite the partners being told time and again to leave the scumbag only to have them fail to go to court, dealing with drunk imbeciles aka the vibrant night time economy and various other social work. After that they might sometimes attend a burglary or do something useful, if the PCC can sort that, whilst cutting £20m he is a miracle worker.
Hopefully an ex Policeman as PCC might rid the myth that the Police actually have the time to chase "proper criminals". The average Bobby (and I know a few) spend 75% of their time looking for missing persons who may or may not intend ending their life following an emotional gesture posted on Facebook read by equally emotional friends who call the police, chasing missing persons "lost" from our local mental health hospitals, chasing drug using homeless types who decide not to live in BCHA's biggest money earner - St Paul's Night Shelter and are reported as missing, arresting and processing men (sometimes women) who decide to beat the living daylight of partners, despite the partners being told time and again to leave the scumbag only to have them fail to go to court, dealing with drunk imbeciles aka the vibrant night time economy and various other social work. After that they might sometimes attend a burglary or do something useful, if the PCC can sort that, whilst cutting £20m he is a miracle worker. Clunge
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12:40am Sat 17 Nov 12

derek j says...

WHY DID WE HAVE THIS 2 VOTE SYSTEM
We the people voted against this, and heavily rejected PR
now we are being cunningly forced into the rejected system!!
WHY DID WE HAVE THIS 2 VOTE SYSTEM We the people voted against this, and heavily rejected PR now we are being cunningly forced into the rejected system!! derek j
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9:06am Sat 17 Nov 12

Azphreal says...

Hope we will now find out who his backers were!
Hope we will now find out who his backers were! Azphreal
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11:16am Sat 17 Nov 12

Glashen says...

derek j wrote:
WHY DID WE HAVE THIS 2 VOTE SYSTEM
We the people voted against this, and heavily rejected PR
now we are being cunningly forced into the rejected system!!
We voted against a change to the voting system for UK parliamentary elections, alternative voting methods are already used in many other elections such as the European Parliament.
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The method used is known as "Supplementary Vote" and is also used for Mayoral elections.The lack of information extended to most people not knowing that this would not be simple "straight past the post".
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On balance I think the Police & Crime Commissioners might not be a bad thing but the selling of it to the public and the lack of information was dire.
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If this Government is not to be remembered by the epithet "Omnishambles" it has to get its act together now and no more of these demonstrations of how not to do it.
[quote][p][bold]derek j[/bold] wrote: WHY DID WE HAVE THIS 2 VOTE SYSTEM We the people voted against this, and heavily rejected PR now we are being cunningly forced into the rejected system!![/p][/quote]We voted against a change to the voting system for UK parliamentary elections, alternative voting methods are already used in many other elections such as the European Parliament. - The method used is known as "Supplementary Vote" and is also used for Mayoral elections.The lack of information extended to most people not knowing that this would not be simple "straight past the post". - On balance I think the Police & Crime Commissioners might not be a bad thing but the selling of it to the public and the lack of information was dire. - If this Government is not to be remembered by the epithet "Omnishambles" it has to get its act together now and no more of these demonstrations of how not to do it. Glashen
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1:03pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Glashen says...

Glashen wrote:
derek j wrote:
WHY DID WE HAVE THIS 2 VOTE SYSTEM
We the people voted against this, and heavily rejected PR
now we are being cunningly forced into the rejected system!!
We voted against a change to the voting system for UK parliamentary elections, alternative voting methods are already used in many other elections such as the European Parliament.
-
The method used is known as "Supplementary Vote" and is also used for Mayoral elections.The lack of information extended to most people not knowing that this would not be simple "straight past the post".
-
On balance I think the Police & Crime Commissioners might not be a bad thing but the selling of it to the public and the lack of information was dire.
-
If this Government is not to be remembered by the epithet "Omnishambles" it has to get its act together now and no more of these demonstrations of how not to do it.
I've just looked through the results, in every case that the second vote made a difference between an independent and a party sponsored candidate it went to the independent overturning the first choice votes.
[quote][p][bold]Glashen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek j[/bold] wrote: WHY DID WE HAVE THIS 2 VOTE SYSTEM We the people voted against this, and heavily rejected PR now we are being cunningly forced into the rejected system!![/p][/quote]We voted against a change to the voting system for UK parliamentary elections, alternative voting methods are already used in many other elections such as the European Parliament. - The method used is known as "Supplementary Vote" and is also used for Mayoral elections.The lack of information extended to most people not knowing that this would not be simple "straight past the post". - On balance I think the Police & Crime Commissioners might not be a bad thing but the selling of it to the public and the lack of information was dire. - If this Government is not to be remembered by the epithet "Omnishambles" it has to get its act together now and no more of these demonstrations of how not to do it.[/p][/quote]I've just looked through the results, in every case that the second vote made a difference between an independent and a party sponsored candidate it went to the independent overturning the first choice votes. Glashen
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6:20pm Sat 17 Nov 12

pete woodley says...

Can anyone honestly see an ex plod,speak out against present plod.The vote was mainly against politicians,it clearly was NOT a personal triumph for him,and i think many will live to regret it.
Can anyone honestly see an ex plod,speak out against present plod.The vote was mainly against politicians,it clearly was NOT a personal triumph for him,and i think many will live to regret it. pete woodley
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9:19pm Thu 22 Nov 12

portia6 says...

It will all become clear as we gaze into
the crystal ball!
It will all become clear as we gaze into the crystal ball! portia6
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