Gridlock: how can one accident cause so much chaos?

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THOUSANDS of motorists faced a morning of misery yesterday as Bournemouth came to a five-hour traffic standstill.

The main cause of the chaos was a single-vehicle accident on the A338 Wessex Way by the Cooper Dean roundabout which forced police to close the main artery for three hours.

And as drivers attempted to take different routes across town they found many main roads and side roads gridlocked.

A series of minor accidents in Charminster, at the Mountbatten Arms roundabout and further along the Wessex Way added to the chaos and confusion.

Read our live blog from yesterday's traffic chaos

Tom Whild said it took him an hour and a half to drive from his gym in Branksome to his work by Bournemouth Hospital.

“It normally takes me about 20 minutes, but today I hit traffic just after Richmond Hill and it was just solid along the Wessex Way. I managed to get off at St Paul’s roundabout and just fought my way through Springbourne and Boscombe.

“I was just shocked as to how one serious accident can bring the town to a standstill. It shows how fragile our road network is.”

The road closure also caused problems for bus and taxi firms.

Ian O’Connor, chairman of United Taxis, said: “It just caused us utter chaos and made all our jobs run late. Out of 130 cars we only had 10 free and about 80 jobs running late.”

And Wilts & Dorset said part of their network was also severely delayed with five of their key routes affected. Some routes faced delays of over an hour.

Commercial manager Nikki Honer said: “Fortunately, as many of our customers are able to access Facebook and Twitter we did our best to keep everyone informed of the situation.”

And Jenni Wilkinson, Yellow Buses’ head of marketing, said: “When an arterial road such as this closes the impact is felt across the network as local traffic looks for alternative routes.

“Services were badly affected for several hours even after the road opened.”

The accident at the centre of the chaos happened on the northbound carriageway just before 6am when a silver Subaru Impreza flipped into a field, rolled several times on to the carriageway and caught alight.

The driver was thrown from the vehicle before it landed on the road and caught alight.

Paramedics assessed him before he was taken to Poole General Hosp-ital.

His injuries were described as not life-threatening.

Police closed the road at the Cooper Dean roundabout and it was eventually re-opened at 9am.

A Dorset Police spokesman said the road closure was necessary to allow the emergency services to deal with the serious incident.

“The seriousness of the inj-uries were not known immediately and the injured party had to be assessed at the time. The fire service also attended and the local authority were called to ensure the road was safe to re-open.

“We also had to escort the recovery vehicle through the traffic.”

The accident caused widespread traffic chaos with knock-on effects on Castle Lane East and West, Holdenhurst Road, King’s Park, Queens Park, Boscombe and surrounding side roads.

Many drivers took to Twitter to vent their frustration.

Andy Hunt said: “Brilliant, left my house in Charminster, drove round for two hours and decided to head back home until later.”

Sam Brightwell added: “Gave up trying to get the kid to school. Enjoying a happy morning at home.”

And another wrote: “Why does it take three hours to shift the car? 9am and car still sat in middle of carriageway with nothing on going.”

Damien Farney said traffic was backed up on Castle Lane all the way to Malvern Road in Moordown, with all side roads affected.

Timeline of accidents

6am – Single vehicle serious but non-life threatening accident on northbound carriageway of A338 saw the road closed for three hours. Traffic was backed up to Richmond Hill roundabout and along both lanes of Castle Lane East and West.

8am – Charminster Road, at the junction of Charminster Place, was blocked following a two-vehicle accident involving a red Renault Clio and black Skoda Fabia. No one was injured.

8.50am – A two-vehicle accident also happened on the northbound carriageway of the A338 Wessex Way by the Richmond Hill roundabout. One lane was blocked while paramedics tended to one of the drivers at the scene.

8.54am – Two vehicles, a Skoda Fabia and a Toyota Yaris, were involved in an accident on Ringwood Road between the Mountbatten Arms roundabout and the Alderney roundabout. No one was injured but the road was partially blocked.

9.26am – A reader reported that a car had crashed into the roundabout outside Castlepoint on Castle Lane West. Police were not told.

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8:59am Wed 14 Nov 12

RivermeadMike says...

How can it possibly take three hours to clear the road. Typical police incompetence as usual! Whenever there is a road accident, the police seem to take a gung ho approach. Close the road for as long as possible and see how much chaos they can create. Let's hope the new PCC wil rein them in!
How can it possibly take three hours to clear the road. Typical police incompetence as usual! Whenever there is a road accident, the police seem to take a gung ho approach. Close the road for as long as possible and see how much chaos they can create. Let's hope the new PCC wil rein them in! RivermeadMike
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9:14am Wed 14 Nov 12

jobsworthwatch says...

Suspect it's not the accident that caused the chaos but the police treating the site of the accident as a crime scene in order to attribute blame. Never mind the cost to the economy and those that are trying to go about their business and never mind the carbon foot print of all those idling engines.
Top priority should be to attend to any injuries, get the debris of the road and get things moving as quickly as possible!
Suspect it's not the accident that caused the chaos but the police treating the site of the accident as a crime scene in order to attribute blame. Never mind the cost to the economy and those that are trying to go about their business and never mind the carbon foot print of all those idling engines. Top priority should be to attend to any injuries, get the debris of the road and get things moving as quickly as possible! jobsworthwatch
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9:15am Wed 14 Nov 12

the parsons nose says...

i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal
i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal the parsons nose
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9:16am Wed 14 Nov 12

penhale says...

RivermeadMike wrote:
How can it possibly take three hours to clear the road. Typical police incompetence as usual! Whenever there is a road accident, the police seem to take a gung ho approach. Close the road for as long as possible and see how much chaos they can create. Let's hope the new PCC wil rein them in!
Probably because every accident is viewed as another way of raising revenue by way of proving beyond a doubt that a driver had been doing something illegally.
Unlike other countries whose main priority is to reopen a vital road link as quickly as possible this country decides to call in vast amounts of agencies plus Sherlock Holmes just to elicit blame and stuff the consequences, the overkill at some accidents is madness.
[quote][p][bold]RivermeadMike[/bold] wrote: How can it possibly take three hours to clear the road. Typical police incompetence as usual! Whenever there is a road accident, the police seem to take a gung ho approach. Close the road for as long as possible and see how much chaos they can create. Let's hope the new PCC wil rein them in![/p][/quote]Probably because every accident is viewed as another way of raising revenue by way of proving beyond a doubt that a driver had been doing something illegally. Unlike other countries whose main priority is to reopen a vital road link as quickly as possible this country decides to call in vast amounts of agencies plus Sherlock Holmes just to elicit blame and stuff the consequences, the overkill at some accidents is madness. penhale
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9:29am Wed 14 Nov 12

Brock_and_Roll says...

With my prejudiced hat on, a look at the photo above shows a hot hatch with gold allow wheels and blacked out windows. So I suspect the driver was a young male and speed played a big part in the smash!
With my prejudiced hat on, a look at the photo above shows a hot hatch with gold allow wheels and blacked out windows. So I suspect the driver was a young male and speed played a big part in the smash! Brock_and_Roll
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9:48am Wed 14 Nov 12

jeebuscripes says...

This website is becoming like a road soap opera.

Every day there is another story about the traffic.
This website is becoming like a road soap opera. Every day there is another story about the traffic. jeebuscripes
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9:50am Wed 14 Nov 12

BarrHumbug says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
With my prejudiced hat on, a look at the photo above shows a hot hatch with gold allow wheels and blacked out windows. So I suspect the driver was a young male and speed played a big part in the smash!
Gold wheels and tinted rear/side windows are standard spec from the manufacturer like that, so not necessarily a boy racer, Are those even tinted windows or smoke damage from the fire? Also I suspect insurance costs probably put this type of car out of the reach of your typical boy racer?

I suspect that while the police ambulance and fire services work 24hrs a day, the crash investigation units, recovery and certainly the local authority don't, and so they had to wait until 8-9am for them to attend the scene, by which time they were also caught up in the traffic?

Was it necessary to wait for them? In this case possibly not, the fire service could have dragged the vehicle to the side of the road and it be re opened, or at least one lane? The problem is if their had been another accident in which any blame could be attributed to the aftermath of the previous accident then those involved would be looking to claim against the emergency services and the council, another victim of the claim culture we have created.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: With my prejudiced hat on, a look at the photo above shows a hot hatch with gold allow wheels and blacked out windows. So I suspect the driver was a young male and speed played a big part in the smash![/p][/quote]Gold wheels and tinted rear/side windows are standard spec from the manufacturer like that, so not necessarily a boy racer, Are those even tinted windows or smoke damage from the fire? Also I suspect insurance costs probably put this type of car out of the reach of your typical boy racer? I suspect that while the police ambulance and fire services work 24hrs a day, the crash investigation units, recovery and certainly the local authority don't, and so they had to wait until 8-9am for them to attend the scene, by which time they were also caught up in the traffic? Was it necessary to wait for them? In this case possibly not, the fire service could have dragged the vehicle to the side of the road and it be re opened, or at least one lane? The problem is if their had been another accident in which any blame could be attributed to the aftermath of the previous accident then those involved would be looking to claim against the emergency services and the council, another victim of the claim culture we have created. BarrHumbug
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9:51am Wed 14 Nov 12

A Lofty says...

Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike!
Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike! A Lofty
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10:44am Wed 14 Nov 12

Arthur Maureen says...

Good old Echo, headline - how can one accident cause such chaos, etc.. err, in addition to the A338 accident pictured the story confirms that due to a number of other minor accidents, drivers had nowhere to go, causing further congestion blah, blah - so, not just the one accident you reporter baffoon, what a rubbish headline.
Good old Echo, headline - how can one accident cause such chaos, etc.. err, in addition to the A338 accident pictured the story confirms that due to a number of other minor accidents, drivers had nowhere to go, causing further congestion blah, blah - so, not just the one accident you reporter baffoon, what a rubbish headline. Arthur Maureen
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10:45am Wed 14 Nov 12

black_rat says...

Lofty - Totally agree with your comments. It is not the Police who caused this mess - it was a driver who wasn't driving correctly (if they had this car wouldn't look like that). If you change the words to a famous song ……..

‘Imagine there was no more collisions, where everyone drove as they should

Imagine there were no more traffic jams, and everyone smiled as they drove

Imagine drivers being courteous and even indicating their intentions – before they turn

its easy if you try’
Lofty - Totally agree with your comments. It is not the Police who caused this mess - it was a driver who wasn't driving correctly (if they had this car wouldn't look like that). If you change the words to a famous song …….. ‘Imagine there was no more collisions, where everyone drove as they should Imagine there were no more traffic jams, and everyone smiled as they drove Imagine drivers being courteous and even indicating their intentions – before they turn its easy if you try’ black_rat
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10:47am Wed 14 Nov 12

grazzer says...

l belong to a local car club and 2 of the members own Subaru lmprezas.One is aged 57 and the other is 63..They both drive quickly on the track but safely on the roads and have each been driving for forty accident free years.
l belong to a local car club and 2 of the members own Subaru lmprezas.One is aged 57 and the other is 63..They both drive quickly on the track but safely on the roads and have each been driving for forty accident free years. grazzer
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10:49am Wed 14 Nov 12

pd7 says...

Quite normal ,possible fire damage to surface .

Lots of the fluids in cars can break down a road surface .

Cars on fire are dangerous things you dont just put them out you have to inspoct them for hidden hot spots that can flare up again .

If they did not do all these checks some one would be moaning / suing he next day that a pot hole has destroyed a rim ... and maybe caused another accident.

Let them do the job , I am quite sure they would rather be back at base than playing with dangerous events and getting the wrath of people stuck in a jam.

Turn the engine off , put some nice music on , make a call that you will be late . ( car is stopped and engine off ) . Relax and listem to the music.

What ever happens you will be at home later with a DVD on and a cup of tea . Some poor person is in hospital or worse.
Quite normal ,possible fire damage to surface . Lots of the fluids in cars can break down a road surface . Cars on fire are dangerous things you dont just put them out you have to inspoct them for hidden hot spots that can flare up again . If they did not do all these checks some one would be moaning / suing he next day that a pot hole has destroyed a rim ... and maybe caused another accident. Let them do the job , I am quite sure they would rather be back at base than playing with dangerous events and getting the wrath of people stuck in a jam. Turn the engine off , put some nice music on , make a call that you will be late . ( car is stopped and engine off ) . Relax and listem to the music. What ever happens you will be at home later with a DVD on and a cup of tea . Some poor person is in hospital or worse. pd7
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10:51am Wed 14 Nov 12

grazzer says...

A police spokesman said that they had to escort the police vehicle.Presumably this was done by ANOTHER POLICE VEHICLE so who was escorting the escort.?
A police spokesman said that they had to escort the police vehicle.Presumably this was done by ANOTHER POLICE VEHICLE so who was escorting the escort.? grazzer
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10:59am Wed 14 Nov 12

throatwarbler says...

how can one accident cause so much chaos?...

...because there are so many cars on the roads at peak times that they are permanently at critical mass.

Too many people, too many cars, too small a place.
how can one accident cause so much chaos?... ...because there are so many cars on the roads at peak times that they are permanently at critical mass. Too many people, too many cars, too small a place. throatwarbler
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11:12am Wed 14 Nov 12

The Seasider says...

"OmniWessexWayashamb
les"!!


...well, if the Oxford English Dictionary can have a 'word of the year' I think the Daily Echo should too!
"OmniWessexWayashamb les"!! ...well, if the Oxford English Dictionary can have a 'word of the year' I think the Daily Echo should too! The Seasider
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11:14am Wed 14 Nov 12

saynomore says...

And too many idiots behind the wheel
And too many idiots behind the wheel saynomore
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11:14am Wed 14 Nov 12

penhale says...

A Lofty wrote:
Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike!
What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.
[quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike![/p][/quote]What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles. penhale
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11:24am Wed 14 Nov 12

BBC Escapee says...

A Dorset Police spokesman said......

“We also had to escort the police vehicle through the traffic.”

What, why does a police vehicle need escorting...were they not able to find the switch for their siren and flashing lights.

Sounds as simple as a badly managed incident to me!

They know the road network and infrastructure is unable to cope when any minor deviation from normal happens. A lot of the time it cannot even cope when nothing out of the ordinary is happening!

It should not have taken three hours before a major road is re-opened at rush hour in these circumstances.

Hospital just down the road, quickly established no fatality, not life threatening. No other vehicle involved.

Priority then is to get traffic flowing and re-open the road as quickly as possible.

Mark up the scene of the incident, record and preliminary investigation.

Clear vehicle/carriageway obstruction and patch road surface if required.

Council and Recovery are geared up to respond to incidents 24hrs a day, you do not have to wait until 8am until somebody is in the office!

The gridlock caused was out of proportion for the incident!

An American business colleague who missed a flight from Southampton Airport said "wow this must be a major incident"

No just the way in this country we deal with one vehicle that flipped onto it's roof!

How did we get away with the Olympic Games - oh yes just by chucking shed loads of money at it and getting the Army in at the last minute!
A Dorset Police spokesman said...... “We also had to escort the police vehicle through the traffic.” What, why does a police vehicle need escorting...were they not able to find the switch for their siren and flashing lights. Sounds as simple as a badly managed incident to me! They know the road network and infrastructure is unable to cope when any minor deviation from normal happens. A lot of the time it cannot even cope when nothing out of the ordinary is happening! It should not have taken three hours before a major road is re-opened at rush hour in these circumstances. Hospital just down the road, quickly established no fatality, not life threatening. No other vehicle involved. Priority then is to get traffic flowing and re-open the road as quickly as possible. Mark up the scene of the incident, record and preliminary investigation. Clear vehicle/carriageway obstruction and patch road surface if required. Council and Recovery are geared up to respond to incidents 24hrs a day, you do not have to wait until 8am until somebody is in the office! The gridlock caused was out of proportion for the incident! An American business colleague who missed a flight from Southampton Airport said "wow this must be a major incident" No just the way in this country we deal with one vehicle that flipped onto it's roof! How did we get away with the Olympic Games - oh yes just by chucking shed loads of money at it and getting the Army in at the last minute! BBC Escapee
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11:27am Wed 14 Nov 12

ekimnoslen says...

the parsons nose wrote:
i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal
The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught.
If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.
[quote][p][bold]the parsons nose[/bold] wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal[/p][/quote]The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources. ekimnoslen
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11:35am Wed 14 Nov 12

The Renegade Master says...

The answer to the headline question is simple. There are too many cars for the road infrastructure we have in this country. Nothing is ever going to change on that front.
As for the cops closing the busiest road in Dorset for three hours for a single car accident, well that has be the most blatant example of their incompetence in a very long time. It simply does not take that amount of time to ascertain what happened and get the traffic moving again. Clowns.
Still, every accident helps the Police and Dorset Road Safe justify their various money making scams against the motorist, so stand by for another assault on your wallets & purses everybody....
The answer to the headline question is simple. There are too many cars for the road infrastructure we have in this country. Nothing is ever going to change on that front. As for the cops closing the busiest road in Dorset for three hours for a single car accident, well that has be the most blatant example of their incompetence in a very long time. It simply does not take that amount of time to ascertain what happened and get the traffic moving again. Clowns. Still, every accident helps the Police and Dorset Road Safe justify their various money making scams against the motorist, so stand by for another assault on your wallets & purses everybody.... The Renegade Master
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11:36am Wed 14 Nov 12

throatwarbler says...

ekimnoslen wrote:
the parsons nose wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal
The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.
while contributing to the overcrowding on the roads this morning i couldn't help noticing that there seemed to be a major problem with cars doing insuffcient speed relative to their lane choice.

Poor awareness and decision making should also be regarded as "main problems".
[quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the parsons nose[/bold] wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal[/p][/quote]The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.[/p][/quote]while contributing to the overcrowding on the roads this morning i couldn't help noticing that there seemed to be a major problem with cars doing insuffcient speed relative to their lane choice. Poor awareness and decision making should also be regarded as "main problems". throatwarbler
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11:59am Wed 14 Nov 12

smellyellie says...

I love how everyone jumps on the band wagon and because one subaru driver has had an accident we all drive like idiots!

Im a lady subaru owner and am not a chav or chavs wife, i also am in a car club of which i wouldnt label any of them chavs!
I have a 2 year old daughter who is not unrestrained at any time in my car.
I think you will find that people drive like idiots whether they own a subaru or a morris minor!
You cant tar us all with the same brush, we love our cars, respect others when driving as the last thing we want is to damage them or cause other harm!
Also it is stupidly expensive to insure one of these cars so we do all in our power to abide by the rules of the road!
There are people who drive a subaru stupidly but when i see a speeding vehicle it is never always the same make/model!
You will probably find that most people who choose to drive a high performance car does track days as do me and my partner in order to use these cars for what they are made for and not on the roads!
I love how everyone jumps on the band wagon and because one subaru driver has had an accident we all drive like idiots! Im a lady subaru owner and am not a chav or chavs wife, i also am in a car club of which i wouldnt label any of them chavs! I have a 2 year old daughter who is not unrestrained at any time in my car. I think you will find that people drive like idiots whether they own a subaru or a morris minor! You cant tar us all with the same brush, we love our cars, respect others when driving as the last thing we want is to damage them or cause other harm! Also it is stupidly expensive to insure one of these cars so we do all in our power to abide by the rules of the road! There are people who drive a subaru stupidly but when i see a speeding vehicle it is never always the same make/model! You will probably find that most people who choose to drive a high performance car does track days as do me and my partner in order to use these cars for what they are made for and not on the roads! smellyellie
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11:59am Wed 14 Nov 12

Deepandkeen says...

The chaos and delay was caused because-----as usual the police shut the whole road for hours - complete idiots - happens all the time around London - total theatrical show- not one of them prepared to say anything to the managers.
The chaos and delay was caused because-----as usual the police shut the whole road for hours - complete idiots - happens all the time around London - total theatrical show- not one of them prepared to say anything to the managers. Deepandkeen
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12:01pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Deepandkeen says...

The chaos and delay was caused because-----as usual the police shut the whole road for hours - complete idiots - happens all the time around London - total theatrical show- not one of them prepared to say anything to the managers.
The chaos and delay was caused because-----as usual the police shut the whole road for hours - complete idiots - happens all the time around London - total theatrical show- not one of them prepared to say anything to the managers. Deepandkeen
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12:12pm Wed 14 Nov 12

The irate commuter says...

Ban all Audi & BMW driver to start with ...
Then all 'yoofs' in their Citreon Saxo's
Then anyone who fits a larger exhaust on their car
Then everyone who thinks it clever to driver with music full blast with all their windows down even in middle of winter.

There you go all sorted !!
Ban all Audi & BMW driver to start with ... Then all 'yoofs' in their Citreon Saxo's Then anyone who fits a larger exhaust on their car Then everyone who thinks it clever to driver with music full blast with all their windows down even in middle of winter. There you go all sorted !! The irate commuter
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12:20pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Sopiie1992 says...

Keep slagging off the emergency services, you wont be saying all this when you need cutting out of a car!
Keep slagging off the emergency services, you wont be saying all this when you need cutting out of a car! Sopiie1992
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12:22pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Mynameisme says...

penhale wrote:
A Lofty wrote:
Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike!
What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.
He is actually correct.....that is the reason why it was changed from RTA to RTC......there is always someone/something to blame!
[quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike![/p][/quote]What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.[/p][/quote]He is actually correct.....that is the reason why it was changed from RTA to RTC......there is always someone/something to blame! Mynameisme
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12:23pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Tony Trent says...

pd7 wrote:
Quite normal ,possible fire damage to surface .

Lots of the fluids in cars can break down a road surface .

Cars on fire are dangerous things you dont just put them out you have to inspoct them for hidden hot spots that can flare up again .

If they did not do all these checks some one would be moaning / suing he next day that a pot hole has destroyed a rim ... and maybe caused another accident.

Let them do the job , I am quite sure they would rather be back at base than playing with dangerous events and getting the wrath of people stuck in a jam.

Turn the engine off , put some nice music on , make a call that you will be late . ( car is stopped and engine off ) . Relax and listem to the music.

What ever happens you will be at home later with a DVD on and a cup of tea . Some poor person is in hospital or worse.
You are quite right. I had a couple of tight journeys yesterday, the latter was a broken down car in Herbert Avenue that caused some chaos, but the last few lines above sum up the best approach. I can do rage or chill out. Only the latter will get you to your destination without risking adding another crisis further along on your route - possibly with yourself as the cause. All cars have a radio fitted. They are a godsend in these circumstances as there is always something interesting on to take your mind off of the traffic queue.
[quote][p][bold]pd7[/bold] wrote: Quite normal ,possible fire damage to surface . Lots of the fluids in cars can break down a road surface . Cars on fire are dangerous things you dont just put them out you have to inspoct them for hidden hot spots that can flare up again . If they did not do all these checks some one would be moaning / suing he next day that a pot hole has destroyed a rim ... and maybe caused another accident. Let them do the job , I am quite sure they would rather be back at base than playing with dangerous events and getting the wrath of people stuck in a jam. Turn the engine off , put some nice music on , make a call that you will be late . ( car is stopped and engine off ) . Relax and listem to the music. What ever happens you will be at home later with a DVD on and a cup of tea . Some poor person is in hospital or worse.[/p][/quote]You are quite right. I had a couple of tight journeys yesterday, the latter was a broken down car in Herbert Avenue that caused some chaos, but the last few lines above sum up the best approach. I can do rage or chill out. Only the latter will get you to your destination without risking adding another crisis further along on your route - possibly with yourself as the cause. All cars have a radio fitted. They are a godsend in these circumstances as there is always something interesting on to take your mind off of the traffic queue. Tony Trent
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12:33pm Wed 14 Nov 12

FrDarryl says...

How indeed?

Furthermore, how do trained triathletes and olympic cycling gold medalists have collisions with motor vehicles on public roadways?

Likewise, how do public buses full of 'green-minded' passengers get into motor vehicle convoys behind 'green-minded' pedal cyclists on public roadways?

Worse still, why are motorised vehicles allowed onto public pavements (sidewalks in Americanese), but pedal cyclists are banned from them?

The public roadways problem is certainly not one of human psychology in the end; therefore no practicable solution requires 'consciousness raising' or 'behaviour modification'. You might as well ask people collectively to self-evolve to the next species of the genus Homo.

It's a queueing theory problem given strict spatiotemporal constraints which limit the rates of occupancy and movement.

On the other hand, the public pavements (and promenades!) problem is partially psychological/cultur
al. Until pedestrians choose collectively to keep left (or right as they do in, e.g., America and Germany), we'll have gridlock and collisions on those travelling surfaces as well.
How indeed? Furthermore, how do trained triathletes and olympic cycling gold medalists have collisions with motor vehicles on public roadways? Likewise, how do public buses full of 'green-minded' passengers get into motor vehicle convoys behind 'green-minded' pedal cyclists on public roadways? Worse still, why are motorised vehicles allowed onto public pavements (sidewalks in Americanese), but pedal cyclists are banned from them? The public roadways problem is certainly not one of human psychology in the end; therefore no practicable solution requires 'consciousness raising' or 'behaviour modification'. You might as well ask people collectively to self-evolve to the next species of the genus Homo. It's a queueing theory problem given strict spatiotemporal constraints which limit the rates of occupancy and movement. On the other hand, the public pavements (and promenades!) problem is partially psychological/cultur al. Until pedestrians choose collectively to keep left (or right as they do in, e.g., America and Germany), we'll have gridlock and collisions on those travelling surfaces as well. FrDarryl
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12:55pm Wed 14 Nov 12

goatty says...

I agree with all the posts on here about Police incompetence. Its the same when an accident happens in the New Forest or a vehicle breaks down. Shut the roads and cause chaos for hours. How long does it take to move the vehicles, make some notes, take measurements and do some photos???
I agree with all the posts on here about Police incompetence. Its the same when an accident happens in the New Forest or a vehicle breaks down. Shut the roads and cause chaos for hours. How long does it take to move the vehicles, make some notes, take measurements and do some photos??? goatty
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1:07pm Wed 14 Nov 12

djd says...

Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc.
The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am.
The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time.
Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience.
At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338.
Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident.
Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc. The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am. The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time. Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience. At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338. Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident. djd
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1:20pm Wed 14 Nov 12

gileto says...

djd wrote:
Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc.
The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am.
The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time.
Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience.
At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338.
Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident.
Whilst I don't understand how a car could have 'flipped into a field, rolled several times on to the carriageway' - it left the carraigeway rolled several times and then rejoined it??Anyone?? - as djd said the car was BEHIND the barrier so why wasn't recovery postponed until the middle of the day/early afternoon, when the road would have been much quieter and diversionary routes much easier too??
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc. The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am. The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time. Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience. At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338. Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident.[/p][/quote]Whilst I don't understand how a car could have 'flipped into a field, rolled several times on to the carriageway' - it left the carraigeway rolled several times and then rejoined it??Anyone?? - as djd said the car was BEHIND the barrier so why wasn't recovery postponed until the middle of the day/early afternoon, when the road would have been much quieter and diversionary routes much easier too?? gileto
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2:08pm Wed 14 Nov 12

dorsetspeed says...

If the police put a tiny proportion of the effort they put into looking at accidents after they have happened, into accident prevention, rather than making as much money as they possibly can, there would be far fewer of these ridiculous accidents happening.
If the police put a tiny proportion of the effort they put into looking at accidents after they have happened, into accident prevention, rather than making as much money as they possibly can, there would be far fewer of these ridiculous accidents happening. dorsetspeed
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2:35pm Wed 14 Nov 12

muscliffman says...

The road here could easily have been cleared within an hour - probably a lot less. We need to understand exactly why this and similar situations now take so long to sort out before ignorantly knocking the emergency services.

Nevertheless this type of RTA now usually causes disruption way off the scale when compared to the original accident and the time that would be required to simply restore normality.

These long delays, often explained for 'safety' reasons, are in fact demonstrably achieving the precise opposite. It may also be 'box-ticking' dictats from 'on high' and potential litigation issues that are causing them.

Drivers caught up in long-term resultant jams take chances, create risks and have additional accidents. That is without all the other considerations arsing from the extended chaos.

Perhaps the new PCC (still no leaflets from any candidate - thanks for nothing) should urgently review this sort of RTA reaction. Because incidents like yesterdays are for certain a PR disaster and do make the Police seem very ineffectual, more than a little theatrical and actually in terms of public safety, counter productive.
The road here could easily have been cleared within an hour - probably a lot less. We need to understand exactly why this and similar situations now take so long to sort out before ignorantly knocking the emergency services. Nevertheless this type of RTA now usually causes disruption way off the scale when compared to the original accident and the time that would be required to simply restore normality. These long delays, often explained for 'safety' reasons, are in fact demonstrably achieving the precise opposite. It may also be 'box-ticking' dictats from 'on high' and potential litigation issues that are causing them. Drivers caught up in long-term resultant jams take chances, create risks and have additional accidents. That is without all the other considerations arsing from the extended chaos. Perhaps the new PCC (still no leaflets from any candidate - thanks for nothing) should urgently review this sort of RTA reaction. Because incidents like yesterdays are for certain a PR disaster and do make the Police seem very ineffectual, more than a little theatrical and actually in terms of public safety, counter productive. muscliffman
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2:40pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Huey says...

djd wrote:
Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc. The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am. The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time. Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience. At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338. Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident.
Take the injured to hospital, hose the car down from the road, leave it in the field and let the insurance sort out recovery when it isn't rush hour, that way tens of thousands of people won't be wasting time and money and then the town won't grind to a halt over someone who's flipped his new car.
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc. The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am. The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time. Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience. At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338. Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident.[/p][/quote]Take the injured to hospital, hose the car down from the road, leave it in the field and let the insurance sort out recovery when it isn't rush hour, that way tens of thousands of people won't be wasting time and money and then the town won't grind to a halt over someone who's flipped his new car. Huey
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2:57pm Wed 14 Nov 12

hadvar says...

The road system is not up to it anymore. The spur road is a virtual single point of failure, its too important for the region to be closed. This is no longer a sleepy holiday destination part of hampshire / dorset. This is a big city and needs big city transport systems. Proper investment in other roads, and transport in general is the only solution. And its not going to happen. The result? Events of yesterday happening more often.
The road system is not up to it anymore. The spur road is a virtual single point of failure, its too important for the region to be closed. This is no longer a sleepy holiday destination part of hampshire / dorset. This is a big city and needs big city transport systems. Proper investment in other roads, and transport in general is the only solution. And its not going to happen. The result? Events of yesterday happening more often. hadvar
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3:20pm Wed 14 Nov 12

s-pb2 says...

A Lofty wrote:
Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike!
Well said A Lofty!
[quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike![/p][/quote]Well said A Lofty! s-pb2
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3:31pm Wed 14 Nov 12

s-pb2 says...

It gets me the utter selfishness of so many people in this town. Let the police, fire, ambulance, recovery companies, council or whoever needs to be there get on with their job and stop whinging like a bunch of precious schoolchildren about how you are going to be late for Come Dine With Me or whatever puerile inconsequence is going all when some poor human being, thats a human being like yourself if you wernt sure what one of them was, gets the necessary treatment and the various services make the road safe so you can go about whatever so fascinating crucial thing is you got to do.
It gets me the utter selfishness of so many people in this town. Let the police, fire, ambulance, recovery companies, council or whoever needs to be there get on with their job and stop whinging like a bunch of precious schoolchildren about how you are going to be late for Come Dine With Me or whatever puerile inconsequence is going all when some poor human being, thats a human being like yourself if you wernt sure what one of them was, gets the necessary treatment and the various services make the road safe so you can go about whatever so fascinating crucial thing is you got to do. s-pb2
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3:34pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

throatwarbler wrote:
ekimnoslen wrote:
the parsons nose wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal
The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.
while contributing to the overcrowding on the roads this morning i couldn't help noticing that there seemed to be a major problem with cars doing insuffcient speed relative to their lane choice.

Poor awareness and decision making should also be regarded as "main problems".
"Insufficient speed relative to lane choice". What the hell does that mean? It sounds like there is someone else who needs to read the Highway Code again. The left hand lane is the correct lane - the other lanes are for passing. Speed has nothing to do with lane choice - you drive in the left hand lane unless you are passing slower traffic - then you go back to the left lane again.
[quote][p][bold]throatwarbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the parsons nose[/bold] wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal[/p][/quote]The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.[/p][/quote]while contributing to the overcrowding on the roads this morning i couldn't help noticing that there seemed to be a major problem with cars doing insuffcient speed relative to their lane choice. Poor awareness and decision making should also be regarded as "main problems".[/p][/quote]"Insufficient speed relative to lane choice". What the hell does that mean? It sounds like there is someone else who needs to read the Highway Code again. The left hand lane is the correct lane - the other lanes are for passing. Speed has nothing to do with lane choice - you drive in the left hand lane unless you are passing slower traffic - then you go back to the left lane again. Dont drop litter
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3:37pm Wed 14 Nov 12

yourbard says...

I pity the drivers in Afghanistan if we're training the police there the way they've been trained here.
I pity the drivers in Afghanistan if we're training the police there the way they've been trained here. yourbard
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3:40pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

penhale wrote:
A Lofty wrote:
Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike!
What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.
Wrong again penhale. Like I said before, get a copy of the Highway Code and read it again.
Road collisions always have a cause; that could be worn tyres, falling asleep, being drunk. Driving too fast (not necessarily breaking the speed limit) where conditions don't allow; dark, foggy, congested, icy are all considerations. If you drive too close, too fast on congested streets you have failed to access the conditions correctly and could be to blame if you crash.
It sounds to me as if the driver was going too fast or not paying attention. Odd that he was 'thrown clear' too...not wearing a seat bealt possibly?
[quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike![/p][/quote]What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.[/p][/quote]Wrong again penhale. Like I said before, get a copy of the Highway Code and read it again. Road collisions always have a cause; that could be worn tyres, falling asleep, being drunk. Driving too fast (not necessarily breaking the speed limit) where conditions don't allow; dark, foggy, congested, icy are all considerations. If you drive too close, too fast on congested streets you have failed to access the conditions correctly and could be to blame if you crash. It sounds to me as if the driver was going too fast or not paying attention. Odd that he was 'thrown clear' too...not wearing a seat bealt possibly? Dont drop litter
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3:43pm Wed 14 Nov 12

The irate commuter says...

djd wrote:
Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc. The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am. The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time. Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience. At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338. Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident.
As i said yesterday, the car was left smack in the middle of the carriage way for hours ( not behind any barriers) - no police were near it & the tow truck men were just stood chatting to each other.

I don't like to criticise the Police BUT it seems to be a Dorset issue. Accident in Hamphire (especially on the M27) & cars are swiftly removed from the carriageway (non fatalities).....ther
e are countless examples where there appears to be a laid back, lazy approach to traffic in this county that needs urgently sorting out !!!
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc. The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am. The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time. Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience. At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338. Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident.[/p][/quote]As i said yesterday, the car was left smack in the middle of the carriage way for hours ( not behind any barriers) - no police were near it & the tow truck men were just stood chatting to each other. I don't like to criticise the Police BUT it seems to be a Dorset issue. Accident in Hamphire (especially on the M27) & cars are swiftly removed from the carriageway (non fatalities).....ther e are countless examples where there appears to be a laid back, lazy approach to traffic in this county that needs urgently sorting out !!! The irate commuter
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3:53pm Wed 14 Nov 12

throatwarbler says...

Dont drop litter wrote:
throatwarbler wrote:
ekimnoslen wrote:
the parsons nose wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal
The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.
while contributing to the overcrowding on the roads this morning i couldn't help noticing that there seemed to be a major problem with cars doing insuffcient speed relative to their lane choice. Poor awareness and decision making should also be regarded as "main problems".
"Insufficient speed relative to lane choice". What the hell does that mean? It sounds like there is someone else who needs to read the Highway Code again. The left hand lane is the correct lane - the other lanes are for passing. Speed has nothing to do with lane choice - you drive in the left hand lane unless you are passing slower traffic - then you go back to the left lane again.
sorry if you can't understand, but thanks for re-wording exactly what i said.

you can stop foaming at the mouth now, ducky.
[quote][p][bold]Dont drop litter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throatwarbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the parsons nose[/bold] wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal[/p][/quote]The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.[/p][/quote]while contributing to the overcrowding on the roads this morning i couldn't help noticing that there seemed to be a major problem with cars doing insuffcient speed relative to their lane choice. Poor awareness and decision making should also be regarded as "main problems".[/p][/quote]"Insufficient speed relative to lane choice". What the hell does that mean? It sounds like there is someone else who needs to read the Highway Code again. The left hand lane is the correct lane - the other lanes are for passing. Speed has nothing to do with lane choice - you drive in the left hand lane unless you are passing slower traffic - then you go back to the left lane again.[/p][/quote]sorry if you can't understand, but thanks for re-wording exactly what i said. you can stop foaming at the mouth now, ducky. throatwarbler
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4:44pm Wed 14 Nov 12

spooki says...

"a silver Subaru Impreza flipped into a field, rolled several times on to the carriageway and caught alight." Why? A car doesn't just 'flip'. I'm wondering if speed was a factor here, I live near there and at 6am-ish there is always the sounds of engines revving and motorbikes zooming along the A338. Of course that's just speculation, I don't know what happened but a car doesn't just 'flip' off a road and into a field. Glad they weren't too badly injured tho. So many accidents about recently.
"a silver Subaru Impreza flipped into a field, rolled several times on to the carriageway and caught alight." Why? A car doesn't just 'flip'. I'm wondering if speed was a factor here, I live near there and at 6am-ish there is always the sounds of engines revving and motorbikes zooming along the A338. Of course that's just speculation, I don't know what happened but a car doesn't just 'flip' off a road and into a field. Glad they weren't too badly injured tho. So many accidents about recently. spooki
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4:50pm Wed 14 Nov 12

frarog says...

muscliffman wrote:
The road here could easily have been cleared within an hour - probably a lot less. We need to understand exactly why this and similar situations now take so long to sort out before ignorantly knocking the emergency services.

Nevertheless this type of RTA now usually causes disruption way off the scale when compared to the original accident and the time that would be required to simply restore normality.

These long delays, often explained for 'safety' reasons, are in fact demonstrably achieving the precise opposite. It may also be 'box-ticking' dictats from 'on high' and potential litigation issues that are causing them.

Drivers caught up in long-term resultant jams take chances, create risks and have additional accidents. That is without all the other considerations arsing from the extended chaos.

Perhaps the new PCC (still no leaflets from any candidate - thanks for nothing) should urgently review this sort of RTA reaction. Because incidents like yesterdays are for certain a PR disaster and do make the Police seem very ineffectual, more than a little theatrical and actually in terms of public safety, counter productive.
Quite - it could be cleared much sooner. I believe some European countries actually impose a fine on local authoriities if a road is not re-opened within 1 hour! How do they do it?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: The road here could easily have been cleared within an hour - probably a lot less. We need to understand exactly why this and similar situations now take so long to sort out before ignorantly knocking the emergency services. Nevertheless this type of RTA now usually causes disruption way off the scale when compared to the original accident and the time that would be required to simply restore normality. These long delays, often explained for 'safety' reasons, are in fact demonstrably achieving the precise opposite. It may also be 'box-ticking' dictats from 'on high' and potential litigation issues that are causing them. Drivers caught up in long-term resultant jams take chances, create risks and have additional accidents. That is without all the other considerations arsing from the extended chaos. Perhaps the new PCC (still no leaflets from any candidate - thanks for nothing) should urgently review this sort of RTA reaction. Because incidents like yesterdays are for certain a PR disaster and do make the Police seem very ineffectual, more than a little theatrical and actually in terms of public safety, counter productive.[/p][/quote]Quite - it could be cleared much sooner. I believe some European countries actually impose a fine on local authoriities if a road is not re-opened within 1 hour! How do they do it? frarog
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4:51pm Wed 14 Nov 12

frarog says...

muscliffman wrote:
The road here could easily have been cleared within an hour - probably a lot less. We need to understand exactly why this and similar situations now take so long to sort out before ignorantly knocking the emergency services.

Nevertheless this type of RTA now usually causes disruption way off the scale when compared to the original accident and the time that would be required to simply restore normality.

These long delays, often explained for 'safety' reasons, are in fact demonstrably achieving the precise opposite. It may also be 'box-ticking' dictats from 'on high' and potential litigation issues that are causing them.

Drivers caught up in long-term resultant jams take chances, create risks and have additional accidents. That is without all the other considerations arsing from the extended chaos.

Perhaps the new PCC (still no leaflets from any candidate - thanks for nothing) should urgently review this sort of RTA reaction. Because incidents like yesterdays are for certain a PR disaster and do make the Police seem very ineffectual, more than a little theatrical and actually in terms of public safety, counter productive.
Quite - it could be cleared much sooner. I believe some European countries actually impose a fine on local authoriities if a road is not re-opened within 1 hour! How do they do it?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: The road here could easily have been cleared within an hour - probably a lot less. We need to understand exactly why this and similar situations now take so long to sort out before ignorantly knocking the emergency services. Nevertheless this type of RTA now usually causes disruption way off the scale when compared to the original accident and the time that would be required to simply restore normality. These long delays, often explained for 'safety' reasons, are in fact demonstrably achieving the precise opposite. It may also be 'box-ticking' dictats from 'on high' and potential litigation issues that are causing them. Drivers caught up in long-term resultant jams take chances, create risks and have additional accidents. That is without all the other considerations arsing from the extended chaos. Perhaps the new PCC (still no leaflets from any candidate - thanks for nothing) should urgently review this sort of RTA reaction. Because incidents like yesterdays are for certain a PR disaster and do make the Police seem very ineffectual, more than a little theatrical and actually in terms of public safety, counter productive.[/p][/quote]Quite - it could be cleared much sooner. I believe some European countries actually impose a fine on local authoriities if a road is not re-opened within 1 hour! How do they do it? frarog
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4:52pm Wed 14 Nov 12

frarog says...

ekimnoslen wrote:
the parsons nose wrote:
i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal
The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught.
If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.
No - speed limits are not the answer. We used to have far fewer accidents when it was a 70 limit.
[quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the parsons nose[/bold] wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal[/p][/quote]The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.[/p][/quote]No - speed limits are not the answer. We used to have far fewer accidents when it was a 70 limit. frarog
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4:58pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Deepandkeen says...

There is simply something totally idiotic about the way in which the police deal with these accidents here, Hampshire and London M25 - the last priority is clearing the lanes or even clearing one lane - everything else has priority and making thousands wait and causing disruption is irrelevant AND THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW WHO IS THE BOSS - and to shut up - it has to do with a subtle totalitarianism creeping in - there are many other examples not least of which is the changing attitudes of the police to the public they are supposed to serve and to the encroachment of thought police - guidelines, elf and safety, ticking boxes, it is like a virus also right through the sycophantic media - there is a psychology to it - as to the discussions here about causes and definitions of accidents there are people commenting here that have serious issues as well - next they;ll be talking about solar eclipses, 30 Years' War, Palestine, - we are commenting on the POLICE CLOSING WHOLE ROADS - even sometimes both directions for hours and hours when one of us could move the vehicles to the side in `10 minutes and basta - job done
There is simply something totally idiotic about the way in which the police deal with these accidents here, Hampshire and London M25 - the last priority is clearing the lanes or even clearing one lane - everything else has priority and making thousands wait and causing disruption is irrelevant AND THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW WHO IS THE BOSS - and to shut up - it has to do with a subtle totalitarianism creeping in - there are many other examples not least of which is the changing attitudes of the police to the public they are supposed to serve and to the encroachment of thought police - guidelines, elf and safety, ticking boxes, it is like a virus also right through the sycophantic media - there is a psychology to it - as to the discussions here about causes and definitions of accidents there are people commenting here that have serious issues as well - next they;ll be talking about solar eclipses, 30 Years' War, Palestine, - we are commenting on the POLICE CLOSING WHOLE ROADS - even sometimes both directions for hours and hours when one of us could move the vehicles to the side in `10 minutes and basta - job done Deepandkeen
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5:13pm Wed 14 Nov 12

miltonarcher says...

Golly, must have been difficult flipping that motor over at 30 mph!
Golly, must have been difficult flipping that motor over at 30 mph! miltonarcher
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5:20pm Wed 14 Nov 12

hucky999 says...

Mynameisme wrote:
penhale wrote:
A Lofty wrote:
Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike!
What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.
He is actually correct.....that is the reason why it was changed from RTA to RTC......there is always someone/something to blame!
It may now be referred to as a RTI road traffic incident.
[quote][p][bold]Mynameisme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike![/p][/quote]What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.[/p][/quote]He is actually correct.....that is the reason why it was changed from RTA to RTC......there is always someone/something to blame![/p][/quote]It may now be referred to as a RTI road traffic incident. hucky999
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5:22pm Wed 14 Nov 12

hucky999 says...

Dont drop litter wrote:
throatwarbler wrote:
ekimnoslen wrote:
the parsons nose wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal
The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.
while contributing to the overcrowding on the roads this morning i couldn't help noticing that there seemed to be a major problem with cars doing insuffcient speed relative to their lane choice.

Poor awareness and decision making should also be regarded as "main problems".
"Insufficient speed relative to lane choice". What the hell does that mean? It sounds like there is someone else who needs to read the Highway Code again. The left hand lane is the correct lane - the other lanes are for passing. Speed has nothing to do with lane choice - you drive in the left hand lane unless you are passing slower traffic - then you go back to the left lane again.
i agree with your comment but i have seen those in the overtaking lanes going slower than the left lane.
[quote][p][bold]Dont drop litter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throatwarbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the parsons nose[/bold] wrote: i think the surface of the Spur Road is in critical condition ,you can hear it under your tyres ,the surface makes cars skip and hop about ,if you follow them you can see it and theres no grip either so when a car breaks hard in front of another they just slide into whatever is ahead of them ,it has happened a lot this autumn ,that road should have been resurfaced three years ago when they said it was worn out ,it is now dangerous and should have a restricted speed limit , tailgating is a big problem and 100 mph on that road as many do late in the evening is near suicidal[/p][/quote]The main problems are excessive speed and tailgating. I suggest a speed limit of say 55mph as in most parts of the USA. There are far too many vehicles travel ling at excessive speeds knowing that the dire lack of police traffic patrols makes it unlikely that they will be caught. If you want the police to control this behavior give them the resources.[/p][/quote]while contributing to the overcrowding on the roads this morning i couldn't help noticing that there seemed to be a major problem with cars doing insuffcient speed relative to their lane choice. Poor awareness and decision making should also be regarded as "main problems".[/p][/quote]"Insufficient speed relative to lane choice". What the hell does that mean? It sounds like there is someone else who needs to read the Highway Code again. The left hand lane is the correct lane - the other lanes are for passing. Speed has nothing to do with lane choice - you drive in the left hand lane unless you are passing slower traffic - then you go back to the left lane again.[/p][/quote]i agree with your comment but i have seen those in the overtaking lanes going slower than the left lane. hucky999
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5:32pm Wed 14 Nov 12

notapeopleperson says...

love the fact that everyone on here seems to be an expert on road traffic law and RTC investigation, all of you sit there slagging the emergency services off just because you were a bit late for your crappy office job, I bet half the people on here wouldn't last a day in any of the emergency services away from the safety of your chair and desk, Bournemouth is full of people that think they could do better than the people trained to do that job, bunch of muppets
love the fact that everyone on here seems to be an expert on road traffic law and RTC investigation, all of you sit there slagging the emergency services off just because you were a bit late for your crappy office job, I bet half the people on here wouldn't last a day in any of the emergency services away from the safety of your chair and desk, Bournemouth is full of people that think they could do better than the people trained to do that job, bunch of muppets notapeopleperson
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5:41pm Wed 14 Nov 12

dorsetspeed says...

notapeopleperson wrote:
love the fact that everyone on here seems to be an expert on road traffic law and RTC investigation, all of you sit there slagging the emergency services off just because you were a bit late for your crappy office job, I bet half the people on here wouldn't last a day in any of the emergency services away from the safety of your chair and desk, Bournemouth is full of people that think they could do better than the people trained to do that job, bunch of muppets
Are you a police officer by any chance? If you think the police are so great, check this out:

http://www.dorsetspe
ed.org.uk/news/sog11
5.aspx
[quote][p][bold]notapeopleperson[/bold] wrote: love the fact that everyone on here seems to be an expert on road traffic law and RTC investigation, all of you sit there slagging the emergency services off just because you were a bit late for your crappy office job, I bet half the people on here wouldn't last a day in any of the emergency services away from the safety of your chair and desk, Bournemouth is full of people that think they could do better than the people trained to do that job, bunch of muppets[/p][/quote]Are you a police officer by any chance? If you think the police are so great, check this out: http://www.dorsetspe ed.org.uk/news/sog11 5.aspx dorsetspeed
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5:47pm Wed 14 Nov 12

fedupwithjobsworths says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
Suspect it's not the accident that caused the chaos but the police treating the site of the accident as a crime scene in order to attribute blame. Never mind the cost to the economy and those that are trying to go about their business and never mind the carbon foot print of all those idling engines.
Top priority should be to attend to any injuries, get the debris of the road and get things moving as quickly as possible!
... and never mind the Fire Engines, Ambulances and other emergency services caught up in this gridlock who were late attending other incidents!
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: Suspect it's not the accident that caused the chaos but the police treating the site of the accident as a crime scene in order to attribute blame. Never mind the cost to the economy and those that are trying to go about their business and never mind the carbon foot print of all those idling engines. Top priority should be to attend to any injuries, get the debris of the road and get things moving as quickly as possible![/p][/quote]... and never mind the Fire Engines, Ambulances and other emergency services caught up in this gridlock who were late attending other incidents! fedupwithjobsworths
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7:51pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Dibbles2 says...

gileto wrote:
djd wrote:
Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc.
The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am.
The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time.
Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience.
At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338.
Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident.
Whilst I don't understand how a car could have 'flipped into a field, rolled several times on to the carriageway' - it left the carraigeway rolled several times and then rejoined it??Anyone?? - as djd said the car was BEHIND the barrier so why wasn't recovery postponed until the middle of the day/early afternoon, when the road would have been much quieter and diversionary routes much easier too??
The accident was reported all over the radio from 7am and yet people still tried to drive that way despite the warnings all over the tv and radio? An good example was the idiot taxi driver who reversed up a slip road! He would have known of the accident so why try and go that way? Lots of people were stuck in that traffic because they chose to go that way. Other readers stated yesterday that people got out of their cars for a better look. Imagine if the traffic was still flowing and people were rubber necking. The poor quality of driving in many instances makes it necessary for the emergency services to close the road for everyones safety. Do people really think the police stand there laughing at drivers stuck in the queue? Christ get a grip and stop moaning as you all had the opportunity to go another way but chose not to!
[quote][p][bold]gileto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: Think about it before posting about police incompetence, unnecessary road closures, etc. The accident happened at 6am, by the time the police, fire and ambulance had done whatever they had to do it was probably nearer to 7am. The recovery company had to be called, they probably had to call their operative out from home, he probably had to collect the recovery truck from the yard. Look where the vehicle is, it's behind the barriers which means it probably needed a specialist recovery unit. The recovery unit them had to get from wherever it was to the scene. It then had to recover the vehicle safely. Perhaps when you take everything into consideration, it wasn't an unreasonable time. Perhaps you would like to be dealing with this incident with traffic whizzing past you at 60-70mph. Not a nice experience. At the end of the day the biggest problem is that there is literally nowhere for the traffic to go when an accident occurs on a road such as the A338. Don't blame those who job it is to deal with the accident.[/p][/quote]Whilst I don't understand how a car could have 'flipped into a field, rolled several times on to the carriageway' - it left the carraigeway rolled several times and then rejoined it??Anyone?? - as djd said the car was BEHIND the barrier so why wasn't recovery postponed until the middle of the day/early afternoon, when the road would have been much quieter and diversionary routes much easier too??[/p][/quote]The accident was reported all over the radio from 7am and yet people still tried to drive that way despite the warnings all over the tv and radio? An good example was the idiot taxi driver who reversed up a slip road! He would have known of the accident so why try and go that way? Lots of people were stuck in that traffic because they chose to go that way. Other readers stated yesterday that people got out of their cars for a better look. Imagine if the traffic was still flowing and people were rubber necking. The poor quality of driving in many instances makes it necessary for the emergency services to close the road for everyones safety. Do people really think the police stand there laughing at drivers stuck in the queue? Christ get a grip and stop moaning as you all had the opportunity to go another way but chose not to! Dibbles2
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8:11pm Wed 14 Nov 12

live-and-let-live says...

in france , the police are not allowed to keep a road closed for more than two hours. if they can manage with two hours, why cant british cops do it?
in france , the police are not allowed to keep a road closed for more than two hours. if they can manage with two hours, why cant british cops do it? live-and-let-live
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8:16pm Wed 14 Nov 12

dorsetspeed says...

Dibbles, not everyone would have been listening to the right radio station, etc. Even if they did, with "gridlock", it may be difficult to know which is the best road to try. And in any case, if they do choose the wrong route, it doesn't make it right that the road is closed any longer than necessary.
Dibbles, not everyone would have been listening to the right radio station, etc. Even if they did, with "gridlock", it may be difficult to know which is the best road to try. And in any case, if they do choose the wrong route, it doesn't make it right that the road is closed any longer than necessary. dorsetspeed
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8:35pm Wed 14 Nov 12

BackOfTheNet says...

How unusual, yet another thread full of whinging motorists.

I can't be bothered to read them all, have I missed the "it took me an hour to drive somewhere I could have walked in 5 minutes" post yet?

Was this crash the fault of cyclists or speed cameras? It's always one of those...
How unusual, yet another thread full of whinging motorists. I can't be bothered to read them all, have I missed the "it took me an hour to drive somewhere I could have walked in 5 minutes" post yet? Was this crash the fault of cyclists or speed cameras? It's always one of those... BackOfTheNet
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9:40pm Wed 14 Nov 12

GAHmusic says...

He was distracted by the Imax
He was distracted by the Imax GAHmusic
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9:42pm Wed 14 Nov 12

phonehome says...

A car with new tyres suffers a blowout and collides with another. Is this an accident or collision? Who is to blame?

A 20% cut in police numbers will perhaps produce a 20% cut in the number of police standing around doing nothing at accidents.

In India, where accidents are far more common than here, and the roads much more congested, the police arrive. take statements, confiscate driving licences, take photos and clear the road in about 30 minutes flat!

Which is the third world country?
A car with new tyres suffers a blowout and collides with another. Is this an accident or collision? Who is to blame? A 20% cut in police numbers will perhaps produce a 20% cut in the number of police standing around doing nothing at accidents. In India, where accidents are far more common than here, and the roads much more congested, the police arrive. take statements, confiscate driving licences, take photos and clear the road in about 30 minutes flat! Which is the third world country? phonehome
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10:24pm Wed 14 Nov 12

penhale says...

Dont drop litter wrote:
penhale wrote:
A Lofty wrote:
Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike!
What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.
Wrong again penhale. Like I said before, get a copy of the Highway Code and read it again.
Road collisions always have a cause; that could be worn tyres, falling asleep, being drunk. Driving too fast (not necessarily breaking the speed limit) where conditions don't allow; dark, foggy, congested, icy are all considerations. If you drive too close, too fast on congested streets you have failed to access the conditions correctly and could be to blame if you crash.
It sounds to me as if the driver was going too fast or not paying attention. Odd that he was 'thrown clear' too...not wearing a seat bealt possibly?
Stuff the highway code, what about hitting a deep pothole, animals running across the road such as deer, broken or missing drain hole covers, rubbish thrown in the road, fallen trees , glass in the road, all of these and more can cause a serious accident which is not the drivers or vehicles fault, logically there is always something or someone at fault before an accident occurs but I have yet to see a badger, deer or hedgehog arrested or a tree, wheelie bin or a glass bottle taken into custody for causing an accident.
[quote][p][bold]Dont drop litter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike![/p][/quote]What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.[/p][/quote]Wrong again penhale. Like I said before, get a copy of the Highway Code and read it again. Road collisions always have a cause; that could be worn tyres, falling asleep, being drunk. Driving too fast (not necessarily breaking the speed limit) where conditions don't allow; dark, foggy, congested, icy are all considerations. If you drive too close, too fast on congested streets you have failed to access the conditions correctly and could be to blame if you crash. It sounds to me as if the driver was going too fast or not paying attention. Odd that he was 'thrown clear' too...not wearing a seat bealt possibly?[/p][/quote]Stuff the highway code, what about hitting a deep pothole, animals running across the road such as deer, broken or missing drain hole covers, rubbish thrown in the road, fallen trees , glass in the road, all of these and more can cause a serious accident which is not the drivers or vehicles fault, logically there is always something or someone at fault before an accident occurs but I have yet to see a badger, deer or hedgehog arrested or a tree, wheelie bin or a glass bottle taken into custody for causing an accident. penhale
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11:27pm Wed 14 Nov 12

bobthedestroyer says...

The irate commuter wrote:
Ban all Audi & BMW driver to start with ...
Then all 'yoofs' in their Citreon Saxo's
Then anyone who fits a larger exhaust on their car
Then everyone who thinks it clever to driver with music full blast with all their windows down even in middle of winter.

There you go all sorted !!
I guess you want to ban Audi's and BMWs because you can't afford one?
[quote][p][bold]The irate commuter[/bold] wrote: Ban all Audi & BMW driver to start with ... Then all 'yoofs' in their Citreon Saxo's Then anyone who fits a larger exhaust on their car Then everyone who thinks it clever to driver with music full blast with all their windows down even in middle of winter. There you go all sorted !![/p][/quote]I guess you want to ban Audi's and BMWs because you can't afford one? bobthedestroyer
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7:23am Thu 15 Nov 12

Phixer says...

penhale wrote:
RivermeadMike wrote:
How can it possibly take three hours to clear the road. Typical police incompetence as usual! Whenever there is a road accident, the police seem to take a gung ho approach. Close the road for as long as possible and see how much chaos they can create. Let's hope the new PCC wil rein them in!
Probably because every accident is viewed as another way of raising revenue by way of proving beyond a doubt that a driver had been doing something illegally.
Unlike other countries whose main priority is to reopen a vital road link as quickly as possible this country decides to call in vast amounts of agencies plus Sherlock Holmes just to elicit blame and stuff the consequences, the overkill at some accidents is madness.
No doubt our newly elected PCC will be able to deal with this!

Not that I shall be holding my breath.
[quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RivermeadMike[/bold] wrote: How can it possibly take three hours to clear the road. Typical police incompetence as usual! Whenever there is a road accident, the police seem to take a gung ho approach. Close the road for as long as possible and see how much chaos they can create. Let's hope the new PCC wil rein them in![/p][/quote]Probably because every accident is viewed as another way of raising revenue by way of proving beyond a doubt that a driver had been doing something illegally. Unlike other countries whose main priority is to reopen a vital road link as quickly as possible this country decides to call in vast amounts of agencies plus Sherlock Holmes just to elicit blame and stuff the consequences, the overkill at some accidents is madness.[/p][/quote]No doubt our newly elected PCC will be able to deal with this! Not that I shall be holding my breath. Phixer
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7:26am Thu 15 Nov 12

Phixer says...

“We also had to escort the recovery vehicle through the traffic.”

What a brilliant comment from PC Plod!

So brain-dead that he couldn't see that if the police hadn't kept the road closed so long there wouldn't have been any 'traffic'.
“We also had to escort the recovery vehicle through the traffic.” What a brilliant comment from PC Plod! So brain-dead that he couldn't see that if the police hadn't kept the road closed so long there wouldn't have been any 'traffic'. Phixer
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7:30am Thu 15 Nov 12

Phixer says...

As usual, we can rely on the Echo not to do any investigative 'journalism' - yes I know that's a dirty word - and ask the police - and our illustrious new PCC wannabe's - why it was necessary to cause so much disruptiojn because one idiot decided to go for a ride across a field. He didn't cause any serious injury to himself nor any other person.
As usual, we can rely on the Echo not to do any investigative 'journalism' - yes I know that's a dirty word - and ask the police - and our illustrious new PCC wannabe's - why it was necessary to cause so much disruptiojn because one idiot decided to go for a ride across a field. He didn't cause any serious injury to himself nor any other person. Phixer
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7:37am Thu 15 Nov 12

Phixer says...

"Paramedics assessed him before he was taken to Poole General Hospital."


Incedible! They could have walked him across the road to a 24hr A&E.

What are our public servants thinking??
"Paramedics assessed him before he was taken to Poole General Hospital." Incedible! They could have walked him across the road to a 24hr A&E. What are our public servants thinking?? Phixer
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8:12am Thu 15 Nov 12

the smiling assassin says...

Phixer wrote:
"Paramedics assessed him before he was taken to Poole General Hospital." Incedible! They could have walked him across the road to a 24hr A&E. What are our public servants thinking??
What you are obviously unaware of is the fact that the main trauma care centre for east dorset (and bournemouth & poole) is at Poole Hospital. Although there is a 24hr A&E service at Bournemouth it doesn't have the skilled team necessary to treat really serious injuries. That meant to ensure that the patient got the best possible treatment he had to be taken to Poole A&E.

Heres a tip: If you happen to live close to Bournemouth hopsital just watch the number of blue lights that go straight past it towards Poole!!
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: "Paramedics assessed him before he was taken to Poole General Hospital." Incedible! They could have walked him across the road to a 24hr A&E. What are our public servants thinking??[/p][/quote]What you are obviously unaware of is the fact that the main trauma care centre for east dorset (and bournemouth & poole) is at Poole Hospital. Although there is a 24hr A&E service at Bournemouth it doesn't have the skilled team necessary to treat really serious injuries. That meant to ensure that the patient got the best possible treatment he had to be taken to Poole A&E. Heres a tip: If you happen to live close to Bournemouth hopsital just watch the number of blue lights that go straight past it towards Poole!! the smiling assassin
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8:34am Thu 15 Nov 12

Tango Charlie says...

the smiling assassin wrote:
Phixer wrote:
"Paramedics assessed him before he was taken to Poole General Hospital." Incedible! They could have walked him across the road to a 24hr A&E. What are our public servants thinking??
What you are obviously unaware of is the fact that the main trauma care centre for east dorset (and bournemouth & poole) is at Poole Hospital. Although there is a 24hr A&E service at Bournemouth it doesn't have the skilled team necessary to treat really serious injuries. That meant to ensure that the patient got the best possible treatment he had to be taken to Poole A&E.

Heres a tip: If you happen to live close to Bournemouth hopsital just watch the number of blue lights that go straight past it towards Poole!!
Good old cost cutting in the NHS! I thought though that the reason for gridlock was obvious. Too many cars! We could aliviate that by stopping poor people owning cars and selling only new Ferraris, Bentley s and Mercedes. Anyone who earns under £100,000 per year should use public transport and be removed from any healthcare provision.
[quote][p][bold]the smiling assassin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: "Paramedics assessed him before he was taken to Poole General Hospital." Incedible! They could have walked him across the road to a 24hr A&E. What are our public servants thinking??[/p][/quote]What you are obviously unaware of is the fact that the main trauma care centre for east dorset (and bournemouth & poole) is at Poole Hospital. Although there is a 24hr A&E service at Bournemouth it doesn't have the skilled team necessary to treat really serious injuries. That meant to ensure that the patient got the best possible treatment he had to be taken to Poole A&E. Heres a tip: If you happen to live close to Bournemouth hopsital just watch the number of blue lights that go straight past it towards Poole!![/p][/quote]Good old cost cutting in the NHS! I thought though that the reason for gridlock was obvious. Too many cars! We could aliviate that by stopping poor people owning cars and selling only new Ferraris, Bentley s and Mercedes. Anyone who earns under £100,000 per year should use public transport and be removed from any healthcare provision. Tango Charlie
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9:24am Thu 15 Nov 12

Rich Bennett says...

I have read all the comments on the accident on Tuesday with interest, some comments are very amusing, some theories even more amusing, but let's not get away from the core question which I believe should be answered.WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO CLEAR A ONE CAR ACCIDENT.
Heaven help Bournemouth if their was a multi car shunt in the middle of the summer season, people might not move for a couple of weeks!!!!
I have read all the comments on the accident on Tuesday with interest, some comments are very amusing, some theories even more amusing, but let's not get away from the core question which I believe should be answered.WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO CLEAR A ONE CAR ACCIDENT. Heaven help Bournemouth if their was a multi car shunt in the middle of the summer season, people might not move for a couple of weeks!!!! Rich Bennett
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9:27am Thu 15 Nov 12

Dibbles2 says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
Dibbles, not everyone would have been listening to the right radio station, etc. Even if they did, with "gridlock", it may be difficult to know which is the best road to try. And in any case, if they do choose the wrong route, it doesn't make it right that the road is closed any longer than necessary.
Then when they realised there was a problem why didnt they switch to a local channel? Its not rocket science is it?
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Dibbles, not everyone would have been listening to the right radio station, etc. Even if they did, with "gridlock", it may be difficult to know which is the best road to try. And in any case, if they do choose the wrong route, it doesn't make it right that the road is closed any longer than necessary.[/p][/quote]Then when they realised there was a problem why didnt they switch to a local channel? Its not rocket science is it? Dibbles2
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9:33am Thu 15 Nov 12

dorsetspeed says...

Dibbles2 wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Dibbles, not everyone would have been listening to the right radio station, etc. Even if they did, with "gridlock", it may be difficult to know which is the best road to try. And in any case, if they do choose the wrong route, it doesn't make it right that the road is closed any longer than necessary.
Then when they realised there was a problem why didnt they switch to a local channel? Its not rocket science is it?
perhaps, when they realised there was a problem, they we already in it!
[quote][p][bold]Dibbles2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Dibbles, not everyone would have been listening to the right radio station, etc. Even if they did, with "gridlock", it may be difficult to know which is the best road to try. And in any case, if they do choose the wrong route, it doesn't make it right that the road is closed any longer than necessary.[/p][/quote]Then when they realised there was a problem why didnt they switch to a local channel? Its not rocket science is it?[/p][/quote]perhaps, when they realised there was a problem, they we already in it! dorsetspeed
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9:43am Thu 15 Nov 12

Rich Bennett says...

Common someone have the guts to give the real explanation to the press on why it took so long to clear a one car accident and gridlock the whole of Bournemouth. Why shut a main commuter route when a car in harmlessly lying in a field with the driver released. When a plane creashed near Dudsbury golf club a couple of years ago they left it their for almost a week.
Common someone have the guts to give the real explanation to the press on why it took so long to clear a one car accident and gridlock the whole of Bournemouth. Why shut a main commuter route when a car in harmlessly lying in a field with the driver released. When a plane creashed near Dudsbury golf club a couple of years ago they left it their for almost a week. Rich Bennett
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1:14pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Dorset Mitch says...

RivermeadMike wrote:
How can it possibly take three hours to clear the road. Typical police incompetence as usual! Whenever there is a road accident, the police seem to take a gung ho approach. Close the road for as long as possible and see how much chaos they can create. Let's hope the new PCC wil rein them in!
Its not just the Police doing their investigations for criminal investigations or heaven forbid the coroner. But also the investigation needs to be carried out for the car insurance industry.

Also by closing the road it stops people rubber necking and possibly hitting the crews attending the incident.

Lets face it if any of us have an serious accident or a loved one has an serious accident we would all want answers, wouldn't we?
[quote][p][bold]RivermeadMike[/bold] wrote: How can it possibly take three hours to clear the road. Typical police incompetence as usual! Whenever there is a road accident, the police seem to take a gung ho approach. Close the road for as long as possible and see how much chaos they can create. Let's hope the new PCC wil rein them in![/p][/quote]Its not just the Police doing their investigations for criminal investigations or heaven forbid the coroner. But also the investigation needs to be carried out for the car insurance industry. Also by closing the road it stops people rubber necking and possibly hitting the crews attending the incident. Lets face it if any of us have an serious accident or a loved one has an serious accident we would all want answers, wouldn't we? Dorset Mitch
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10:33pm Thu 15 Nov 12

poshboy says...

penhale wrote:
Dont drop litter wrote:
penhale wrote:
A Lofty wrote:
Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike!
What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.
Wrong again penhale. Like I said before, get a copy of the Highway Code and read it again.
Road collisions always have a cause; that could be worn tyres, falling asleep, being drunk. Driving too fast (not necessarily breaking the speed limit) where conditions don't allow; dark, foggy, congested, icy are all considerations. If you drive too close, too fast on congested streets you have failed to access the conditions correctly and could be to blame if you crash.
It sounds to me as if the driver was going too fast or not paying attention. Odd that he was 'thrown clear' too...not wearing a seat bealt possibly?
Stuff the highway code, what about hitting a deep pothole, animals running across the road such as deer, broken or missing drain hole covers, rubbish thrown in the road, fallen trees , glass in the road, all of these and more can cause a serious accident which is not the drivers or vehicles fault, logically there is always something or someone at fault before an accident occurs but I have yet to see a badger, deer or hedgehog arrested or a tree, wheelie bin or a glass bottle taken into custody for causing an accident.
Wrong again all those things listed are avoidable if the driver is driving according to the conditions of the road and the surroundings. Now I'm not saying that in all cases they would be avoided but they are all potentially avoidable nonetheless
[quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dont drop litter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: Some years back, what had traditionally been known as a Road Traffic Accident was redefined in British law as a Road Traffic COLLISION. The reason: there is no such thing as an 'accident' on the road. Someone is ALWAYS to blame, whether it be 'tailgating', poor roadworthiness of vehicle etc etc. It sounds like everyone had a difficult morning but I am pretty sure that the police did not intentionally conspire to slow you all up. And you never know, it might be you that is involved in an RTC next time and, given the litigious society in which we now live, you will no doubt be slagging the police off if they have not gathered the relevant evidence properly that you will no doubt scurry away with to your 'no win no fee' representative. The police are not responsible for this mess, and they must be allowed to do their job properly. Anyway, you can expect an even longer wait in the future, as I read most days in the press that police numbers have been or are being reduced by 20%. Happy motoring. Alternatively, buy a bike![/p][/quote]What a load of cobblers, of course some are accidents, it's not always down to poor driving or defective vehicles.[/p][/quote]Wrong again penhale. Like I said before, get a copy of the Highway Code and read it again. Road collisions always have a cause; that could be worn tyres, falling asleep, being drunk. Driving too fast (not necessarily breaking the speed limit) where conditions don't allow; dark, foggy, congested, icy are all considerations. If you drive too close, too fast on congested streets you have failed to access the conditions correctly and could be to blame if you crash. It sounds to me as if the driver was going too fast or not paying attention. Odd that he was 'thrown clear' too...not wearing a seat bealt possibly?[/p][/quote]Stuff the highway code, what about hitting a deep pothole, animals running across the road such as deer, broken or missing drain hole covers, rubbish thrown in the road, fallen trees , glass in the road, all of these and more can cause a serious accident which is not the drivers or vehicles fault, logically there is always something or someone at fault before an accident occurs but I have yet to see a badger, deer or hedgehog arrested or a tree, wheelie bin or a glass bottle taken into custody for causing an accident.[/p][/quote]Wrong again all those things listed are avoidable if the driver is driving according to the conditions of the road and the surroundings. Now I'm not saying that in all cases they would be avoided but they are all potentially avoidable nonetheless poshboy
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6:50pm Sun 18 Nov 12

portia6 says...

Too many miles on the clock!
Too many miles on the clock! portia6
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