Campaign to ‘unite the conurbation' kicks off

A CAMPAIGN to “unite the conurbation” has got off to a promising start, with business people, politicians and residents all pledging support, it’s claimed.

The first meeting to discuss the idea of creating a single unitary council for Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole was held on Wednesday evening and supporters have now launched their manifesto.

This states that: “There are serious issues relating to better governance involving all citizens of the south east Dorset conurbation centred around Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole.

“We are a conurbation of 357,000 people, which approaches the size of Bristol and exceeds that of Cardiff and Southampton but is split into three or four local government units. This is hardly a case of small is beautiful because there is massive and very costly duplication of administrative resources across the board.”

It states there are two main benefits to joining forces – cutting costs and giving the area greater influence.

Bournemouth alderman Douglas Eyre, who chaired the meeting, said: “It was a fascinating mix of people – we had business people, one representative from a big residents’ association, and politicans from across the political spectrum. And there were representatives of Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch.

“The business lobby is very strong, they just can’t wait and can’t understand why this has taken so long. There was a recognition there is a great deal of persuasion and discussion to be done so we are going to research the potential council tax savings and efficiencies and also look at how joining forces could benefit the area in key areas like the economy, transport and education.”

All three councils have already indicated they do not like the idea of a joint authority.

Cllr Elaine Atkinson, leader of the Borough of Poole, said: “We are successfully working together and have joint appointments in adult social services and Poole, Bournemouth and Dorset councils are all part of the Dorset Local Enterprise Partnership promoting growth in the economy. In addition, all adult learning services in Poole and Bournemouth are already merged and Dorset will join them in a move which will save the councils more than £700,000.

“Leaders of the local authorities meet regularly to explore further opportunities for joint working and services but we believe our unique identity as a historic borough is really important for the residents of Poole.”

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5:11pm Sun 11 Nov 12

In Absentia says...

Could Melanie Vass tell us exactly how many people attended this meeting? It would put this piece into better context, thanks.
Could Melanie Vass tell us exactly how many people attended this meeting? It would put this piece into better context, thanks. In Absentia

5:31pm Sun 11 Nov 12

boyerboy says...

I do wish these Hampshire people would stop interfering with those of us who live in Dorset.
I do wish these Hampshire people would stop interfering with those of us who live in Dorset. boyerboy

5:58pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Gary Sherborne says...

I hope the attendees and Douglas in particular is savvy with the Sustainable Communities Act and continues to push for more "joined up" working.

http://www.communiti
es.gov.uk/publicatio
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I hope the attendees and Douglas in particular is savvy with the Sustainable Communities Act and continues to push for more "joined up" working. http://www.communiti es.gov.uk/publicatio ns/localgovernment/s ustainablecommunitie sact Gary Sherborne

6:00pm Sun 11 Nov 12

John T says...

In Absentia wrote:
Could Melanie Vass tell us exactly how many people attended this meeting? It would put this piece into better context, thanks.
I am led to believe it was about 25...probably not so far off the number of votes the new Police Commissioner will need to be elected.
Apathy rules, O.K....but never forget that 'we are all in this together!'
[quote][p][bold]In Absentia[/bold] wrote: Could Melanie Vass tell us exactly how many people attended this meeting? It would put this piece into better context, thanks.[/p][/quote]I am led to believe it was about 25...probably not so far off the number of votes the new Police Commissioner will need to be elected. Apathy rules, O.K....but never forget that 'we are all in this together!' John T

6:54pm Sun 11 Nov 12

gary1975 says...

I'm strongly in favor of turning bmouth, poole and christchurch into one town. I'm strongly in favor of anything that may lower my council tax!! There are no brown or green belt land separating the 3 towns. We have so much in common and visit each other, have relatives living in all 3 towns I dont see why this hasn't happened years ago. This is how cities are created - small towns coming together that have outgrown their own borders. If you flew over in a plane you wouldn't realise we were 3 towns.
I'm strongly in favor of turning bmouth, poole and christchurch into one town. I'm strongly in favor of anything that may lower my council tax!! There are no brown or green belt land separating the 3 towns. We have so much in common and visit each other, have relatives living in all 3 towns I dont see why this hasn't happened years ago. This is how cities are created - small towns coming together that have outgrown their own borders. If you flew over in a plane you wouldn't realise we were 3 towns. gary1975

7:24pm Sun 11 Nov 12

aerolover says...

Perhaps some in the councils don't want it because they might loose their jobs.
Perhaps some in the councils don't want it because they might loose their jobs. aerolover

8:45pm Sun 11 Nov 12

The Timelord says...

No No No!
The county boundary needs to be redrawn to return Bournemouth and Christchurch to Hampshire and over turn the Boundary Commisions Act of 1974 that saw us demoted to being part of Dorset.
Born in Hampshire when Bournemouth was in Hampshire and proud of it.
PS I'm also ENGLISH, not British, UK resident and I'll never be a European.
English and proud of it.
No No No! The county boundary needs to be redrawn to return Bournemouth and Christchurch to Hampshire and over turn the Boundary Commisions Act of 1974 that saw us demoted to being part of Dorset. Born in Hampshire when Bournemouth was in Hampshire and proud of it. PS I'm also ENGLISH, not British, UK resident and I'll never be a European. English and proud of it. The Timelord

8:46pm Sun 11 Nov 12

ajsadeh says...

This is definitely an idea worth exploring. Where can we read more about the campaign and their manifesto?
This is definitely an idea worth exploring. Where can we read more about the campaign and their manifesto? ajsadeh

8:54pm Sun 11 Nov 12

The Timelord says...

ajsadeh wrote:
This is definitely an idea worth exploring. Where can we read more about the campaign and their manifesto?
NO NO NO!
The affluence of Bournemouth and Christchurch should never be used to subsidise Poole or Dorset.
[quote][p][bold]ajsadeh[/bold] wrote: This is definitely an idea worth exploring. Where can we read more about the campaign and their manifesto?[/p][/quote]NO NO NO! The affluence of Bournemouth and Christchurch should never be used to subsidise Poole or Dorset. The Timelord

9:06pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Redgolfer00 says...

boyerboy wrote:
I do wish these Hampshire people would stop interfering with those of us who live in Dorset.
I was BORN in Hampshire in a place called Boscombe and then in the 70s it was decided by others to place Bournemouth into Dorset but kept all the decision making in Dorchester, thats when the people decided to get a motion in Paliment to make Bournemouth a County Borough and I for one would like to be in Hampshire and Do not want to be merged with any other Town, IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH.
[quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: I do wish these Hampshire people would stop interfering with those of us who live in Dorset.[/p][/quote]I was BORN in Hampshire in a place called Boscombe and then in the 70s it was decided by others to place Bournemouth into Dorset but kept all the decision making in Dorchester, thats when the people decided to get a motion in Paliment to make Bournemouth a County Borough and I for one would like to be in Hampshire and Do not want to be merged with any other Town, IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH. Redgolfer00

9:07pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Redgolfer00 says...

The Timelord wrote:
No No No!
The county boundary needs to be redrawn to return Bournemouth and Christchurch to Hampshire and over turn the Boundary Commisions Act of 1974 that saw us demoted to being part of Dorset.
Born in Hampshire when Bournemouth was in Hampshire and proud of it.
PS I'm also ENGLISH, not British, UK resident and I'll never be a European.
English and proud of it.
HEAR HEAR!!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Timelord[/bold] wrote: No No No! The county boundary needs to be redrawn to return Bournemouth and Christchurch to Hampshire and over turn the Boundary Commisions Act of 1974 that saw us demoted to being part of Dorset. Born in Hampshire when Bournemouth was in Hampshire and proud of it. PS I'm also ENGLISH, not British, UK resident and I'll never be a European. English and proud of it.[/p][/quote]HEAR HEAR!!!! Redgolfer00

9:11pm Sun 11 Nov 12

gary1975 says...

The Timelord wrote:
ajsadeh wrote:
This is definitely an idea worth exploring. Where can we read more about the campaign and their manifesto?
NO NO NO!
The affluence of Bournemouth and Christchurch should never be used to subsidise Poole or Dorset.
dorset? hampshire? they are just names..... cant believe anyone has an elegance to geographical boundaries that change more often than i change my underwear......
[quote][p][bold]The Timelord[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajsadeh[/bold] wrote: This is definitely an idea worth exploring. Where can we read more about the campaign and their manifesto?[/p][/quote]NO NO NO! The affluence of Bournemouth and Christchurch should never be used to subsidise Poole or Dorset.[/p][/quote]dorset? hampshire? they are just names..... cant believe anyone has an elegance to geographical boundaries that change more often than i change my underwear...... gary1975

9:16pm Sun 11 Nov 12

gary1975 says...

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps some in the councils don't want it because they might loose their jobs.
that sounds right! It seems lots of people in the 3 towns would prob think its a good idea but as usual with political types they are more interested in their own agenda than the wishes of the people. Perhaps the echo could do an online poll? Anyone interested could copy the link to there face book page to encourage there friends to voice there opinion too?
[quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps some in the councils don't want it because they might loose their jobs.[/p][/quote]that sounds right! It seems lots of people in the 3 towns would prob think its a good idea but as usual with political types they are more interested in their own agenda than the wishes of the people. Perhaps the echo could do an online poll? Anyone interested could copy the link to there face book page to encourage there friends to voice there opinion too? gary1975

9:46pm Sun 11 Nov 12

The Timelord says...

gary1975 wrote:
The Timelord wrote:
ajsadeh wrote:
This is definitely an idea worth exploring. Where can we read more about the campaign and their manifesto?
NO NO NO!
The affluence of Bournemouth and Christchurch should never be used to subsidise Poole or Dorset.
dorset? hampshire? they are just names..... cant believe anyone has an elegance to geographical boundaries that change more often than i change my underwear......
Boundaries are everything.
That's why the Wessex Way ends at Frizzells (Liverpool Victoria for younger readers)
Bournemouth and Hampshire committed to this road back in the 60's and 70's Poole and Dorset dragged their heals, sold off the compulsary purchased housing in Princess Road in the 90's for redevelopment and listened to Veronica Player and the Bourne Bottom Action Group (who campaigned for the right of newts and lizards - sweet). Now an integrated road network will never exist - an example of non co-operation that we all suffer now due to the incompetency of Poole and Dorset in the past.
[quote][p][bold]gary1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Timelord[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajsadeh[/bold] wrote: This is definitely an idea worth exploring. Where can we read more about the campaign and their manifesto?[/p][/quote]NO NO NO! The affluence of Bournemouth and Christchurch should never be used to subsidise Poole or Dorset.[/p][/quote]dorset? hampshire? they are just names..... cant believe anyone has an elegance to geographical boundaries that change more often than i change my underwear......[/p][/quote]Boundaries are everything. That's why the Wessex Way ends at Frizzells (Liverpool Victoria for younger readers) Bournemouth and Hampshire committed to this road back in the 60's and 70's Poole and Dorset dragged their heals, sold off the compulsary purchased housing in Princess Road in the 90's for redevelopment and listened to Veronica Player and the Bourne Bottom Action Group (who campaigned for the right of newts and lizards - sweet). Now an integrated road network will never exist - an example of non co-operation that we all suffer now due to the incompetency of Poole and Dorset in the past. The Timelord

10:20pm Sun 11 Nov 12

rusty james says...

Yeah! Go Poo-Mouth!
Yeah! Go Poo-Mouth! rusty james

11:21pm Sun 11 Nov 12

SurfReefFunTime says...

I work for one of the above councils.

I am also a resident of one of the above towns.

Hell it makes sense to merge but with all the recent changes such as Christchurch and East Dorset etc etc there is more chance of an asteroid hitting bournemouth than a merger taking place. Making it simple for those who dont understand...bare in mind Christchurch is part of Dorset where Bournemouth and Poole are there own seperate units looking after everything.

Firstly it would be a logistical and costly nightmare. Organisational change costs alot in money and morale! Also larger organisations does not mean better efficiency...they come with there own larger middle management and paper trails.

Merging Bmth, Poole and Christchurch. Well why not just merge the whole country and europe? The EU...well we allready have a mess there.

Be realistic here, its never going to happen!
I work for one of the above councils. I am also a resident of one of the above towns. Hell it makes sense to merge but with all the recent changes such as Christchurch and East Dorset etc etc there is more chance of an asteroid hitting bournemouth than a merger taking place. Making it simple for those who dont understand...bare in mind Christchurch is part of Dorset where Bournemouth and Poole are there own seperate units looking after everything. Firstly it would be a logistical and costly nightmare. Organisational change costs alot in money and morale! Also larger organisations does not mean better efficiency...they come with there own larger middle management and paper trails. Merging Bmth, Poole and Christchurch. Well why not just merge the whole country and europe? The EU...well we allready have a mess there. Be realistic here, its never going to happen! SurfReefFunTime

11:26pm Sun 11 Nov 12

muscliffman says...

Some interesting points and a bit of unproductive nostalgia. We as an area are stuck in Dorset, it cannot survive without us hence the 1974 changes.

If the criteria for the 'City' unification is based in some way on the absence of any obvious 'green belt' seperation in current urban development, I would suggest from the start that Ferndown and Wimborne (at least) should also be considered as a part of this new south coast City.

This whole idea will naturally be vigorously resisted by vested interests, disguised usually no doubt as undefinable 'civic pride'.
So unfortunately the vast number of individuals that would have to be dragged screaming from behind their cosy public-sector desks and lucrative Council Chambers is probably why it will not happen - just yet.

However from the public's financiual perspective it should. The new City would of course be called Bournemouth - that part of the City masterplan has in fact already happened - clue? Check your 'BH' Post Code!
Some interesting points and a bit of unproductive nostalgia. We as an area are stuck in Dorset, it cannot survive without us hence the 1974 changes. If the criteria for the 'City' unification is based in some way on the absence of any obvious 'green belt' seperation in current urban development, I would suggest from the start that Ferndown and Wimborne (at least) should also be considered as a part of this new south coast City. This whole idea will naturally be vigorously resisted by vested interests, disguised usually no doubt as undefinable 'civic pride'. So unfortunately the vast number of individuals that would have to be dragged screaming from behind their cosy public-sector desks and lucrative Council Chambers is probably why it will not happen - just yet. However from the public's financiual perspective it should. The new City would of course be called Bournemouth - that part of the City masterplan has in fact already happened - clue? Check your 'BH' Post Code! muscliffman

3:37am Mon 12 Nov 12

Gary Sherborne says...

We are in a region of the EU, the south west region of England, we are signed up members of the Treaty of Lisbon, I am European weather I like it or not but without question I am grateful and proud to be English. As Europeans we are all governed by the multiple legislations contained within the treaty, I know that Douglas is a Freeman of the Borough of Bournemouth, myself just a Burgher on the land. But this much I know.

http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/ukpga/2009
/20/section/27

These changes (combined authorities) are coming weather we like it or not.
We are in a region of the EU, the south west region of England, we are signed up members of the Treaty of Lisbon, I am European weather I like it or not but without question I am grateful and proud to be English. As Europeans we are all governed by the multiple legislations contained within the treaty, I know that Douglas is a Freeman of the Borough of Bournemouth, myself just a Burgher on the land. But this much I know. http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/ukpga/2009 /20/section/27 These changes (combined authorities) are coming weather we like it or not. Gary Sherborne

3:51am Mon 12 Nov 12

Gary Sherborne says...

old news about Eric Pickles plans
Local Enterprise Partnerships.



http://www.lgcplus.c
om/leps-22-bald-men-
fighting-over-a-comb
/5020212.blog
old news about Eric Pickles plans Local Enterprise Partnerships. http://www.lgcplus.c om/leps-22-bald-men- fighting-over-a-comb /5020212.blog Gary Sherborne

7:37am Mon 12 Nov 12

ashleycross says...

This would be a marriage made in hell. Poole is a traditional respectable town with a strong working ethos, whereas Bournemouth seems to be run by and for a bunch of chancers.
This would be a marriage made in hell. Poole is a traditional respectable town with a strong working ethos, whereas Bournemouth seems to be run by and for a bunch of chancers. ashleycross

8:27am Mon 12 Nov 12

Redgolfer00 says...

Gary Sherborne wrote:
We are in a region of the EU, the south west region of England, we are signed up members of the Treaty of Lisbon, I am European weather I like it or not but without question I am grateful and proud to be English. As Europeans we are all governed by the multiple legislations contained within the treaty, I know that Douglas is a Freeman of the Borough of Bournemouth, myself just a Burgher on the land. But this much I know.

http://www.legislati

on.gov.uk/ukpga/2009

/20/section/27

These changes (combined authorities) are coming weather we like it or not.
European whether I like it or not, wait till we have a debate and vote on Europe, then you will have your answer no to Europe and NO it is NOT coming to rebrand Poole, Bournemouth and Christchurch and no amount of spin will make it happen.
[quote][p][bold]Gary Sherborne[/bold] wrote: We are in a region of the EU, the south west region of England, we are signed up members of the Treaty of Lisbon, I am European weather I like it or not but without question I am grateful and proud to be English. As Europeans we are all governed by the multiple legislations contained within the treaty, I know that Douglas is a Freeman of the Borough of Bournemouth, myself just a Burgher on the land. But this much I know. http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/ukpga/2009 /20/section/27 These changes (combined authorities) are coming weather we like it or not.[/p][/quote]European whether I like it or not, wait till we have a debate and vote on Europe, then you will have your answer no to Europe and NO it is NOT coming to rebrand Poole, Bournemouth and Christchurch and no amount of spin will make it happen. Redgolfer00

8:59am Mon 12 Nov 12

Forest_Nymph says...

None of the councils involved can manage their own affairs, so how would merging them make it any better?

Incompetence is incompetence, and do the residents of Christchurch or Poole *really* want to merge with Bournemouth and be forced to finance their ridiculous ideas such as the surf reef, Imax, multiple drug rehab properties, offender rehab homes, high crime rates etc?

No, didn't think so ......
None of the councils involved can manage their own affairs, so how would merging them make it any better? Incompetence is incompetence, and do the residents of Christchurch or Poole *really* want to merge with Bournemouth and be forced to finance their ridiculous ideas such as the surf reef, Imax, multiple drug rehab properties, offender rehab homes, high crime rates etc? No, didn't think so ...... Forest_Nymph

9:06am Mon 12 Nov 12

boscombewizard says...

If you are English, you are also British and European.

I don't think it matters really. What matters is what you say and what you do.

If a group of people are getting together to have a conversation about how to better work together then good luck to them.

People like to divide into tribes and then defend their own. It makes us secure in our 'rightness'. This (usually) leads to attacking or criticising others. A kind of self constructed Stockholm syndrome.

It's all a smoke screen. The rich continue to make money at everyone's expense (look at the story about the money made by water companies by not paying tax this weekend). The very rich (BBC DG will be paid a years salary on his sacking, of £450,000) continue to be very rich because the rest of us squabble amongst ourselves.

The most innovative solutions and moves are coming out of Occupy, take a look at rollingjubilee.org

Peace and love from Boscombe.
If you are English, you are also British and European. I don't think it matters really. What matters is what you say and what you do. If a group of people are getting together to have a conversation about how to better work together then good luck to them. People like to divide into tribes and then defend their own. It makes us secure in our 'rightness'. This (usually) leads to attacking or criticising others. A kind of self constructed Stockholm syndrome. It's all a smoke screen. The rich continue to make money at everyone's expense (look at the story about the money made by water companies by not paying tax this weekend). The very rich (BBC DG will be paid a years salary on his sacking, of £450,000) continue to be very rich because the rest of us squabble amongst ourselves. The most innovative solutions and moves are coming out of Occupy, take a look at rollingjubilee.org Peace and love from Boscombe. boscombewizard

11:07am Mon 12 Nov 12

gary1975 says...

ashleycross wrote:
This would be a marriage made in hell. Poole is a traditional respectable town with a strong working ethos, whereas Bournemouth seems to be run by and for a bunch of chancers.
I don't know theres a fairly high chav count in poole too....
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: This would be a marriage made in hell. Poole is a traditional respectable town with a strong working ethos, whereas Bournemouth seems to be run by and for a bunch of chancers.[/p][/quote]I don't know theres a fairly high chav count in poole too.... gary1975

4:27pm Mon 12 Nov 12

In Absentia says...

If people honestly think that their Council tax bill will go down if this merger occurs, they're delusional. These bills might get 'frozen' sometimes, but they'll never go down over the long term.

This is a pipe dream, the political will isn't there to support it.
If people honestly think that their Council tax bill will go down if this merger occurs, they're delusional. These bills might get 'frozen' sometimes, but they'll never go down over the long term. This is a pipe dream, the political will isn't there to support it. In Absentia

5:37pm Mon 12 Nov 12

belafonte says...

STAND UP AND BE COUNTED

Which political parties are offering residents a referendum on the merger of Bournemouth, Poole & Christchurch ?

Conservatives ?
Labour ?
LibDems ?
UKIP ?
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED Which political parties are offering residents a referendum on the merger of Bournemouth, Poole & Christchurch ? Conservatives ? Labour ? LibDems ? UKIP ? belafonte

9:58pm Mon 12 Nov 12

bobsworthforever says...

Redgolfer00 wrote:
The Timelord wrote:
No No No!
The county boundary needs to be redrawn to return Bournemouth and Christchurch to Hampshire and over turn the Boundary Commisions Act of 1974 that saw us demoted to being part of Dorset.
Born in Hampshire when Bournemouth was in Hampshire and proud of it.
PS I'm also ENGLISH, not British, UK resident and I'll never be a European.
English and proud of it.
HEAR HEAR!!!!
Absolutely mate i dont fancy this little scheme one bit save money and reduce council tax i doubt it they will be painting the bin lorries a different colour and paying out shedloads for a new corporote logo plus of course large rises all round for anyone on the council. No Thanks
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer00[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Timelord[/bold] wrote: No No No! The county boundary needs to be redrawn to return Bournemouth and Christchurch to Hampshire and over turn the Boundary Commisions Act of 1974 that saw us demoted to being part of Dorset. Born in Hampshire when Bournemouth was in Hampshire and proud of it. PS I'm also ENGLISH, not British, UK resident and I'll never be a European. English and proud of it.[/p][/quote]HEAR HEAR!!!![/p][/quote]Absolutely mate i dont fancy this little scheme one bit save money and reduce council tax i doubt it they will be painting the bin lorries a different colour and paying out shedloads for a new corporote logo plus of course large rises all round for anyone on the council. No Thanks bobsworthforever

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