UPDATED: Surf reef company go into liquidation

Bournemouth Echo: Surf reef company go into liquidation Surf reef company go into liquidation

THE company that built Boscombe's surf reef has ceased trading, it has been revealed.

ASR Limited, the New Zealand-based company which built the controversial attraction, has been in liquidation since September.

Bournemouth Council has not been listed as a creditor but is purusing an insurance claim for propeller damage to the reef.

Labour group leader, Cllr Ben Grower said this morning: “The sensible thing would be for the council to come out of its permanent state of denial over the whole project and finally admit it was a mistake.

“It would appear that everybody in Bournemouth knows it is a disaster except some of the councillors and the officers.”

Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Council, said the liquidation made no difference to the council's plans for the reef, which are now focusing on making to a diving and snorkel attraction.

He said: “We are actively pursuing our insurance claim for the propeller damage so the necessary repairs can be commissioned and our work on developing the Coastal Activity Park can get underway. 

"The nature of these repairs does not require the specialist skills that ASR had, so the liquidation of ASR does not impact on the pursuit of our insurance claim or the plans for the reef.  The Council has made it clear that no additional taxpayers money will be spent enhancing the reef’s performance for surfing, and that position remains unchanged.”

“The reef remains a key part of the offer at Boscombe and integral to the Coastal Activity Park.  The huge potential of the reef as an all year round attraction can be more fully developed through this latest Coastal Communities Fund initiative to ensure that it contributes still more to the economic regeneration of the area.

"These plans include a commercial dive centre, a try-dive facility and a dive & snorkel trail around the existing reef, with additional submerged artefacts for more experienced divers.

“Before the reef was damaged it was being used for much more than just surfing.  Whilst it was always known that the number of surfing days would be limited by weather conditions, it was an unexpected benefit that the Reef should become so popular for other types of watersports activity, depending on the prevailing conditions on any given day. 

"Surfing and bodyboarding of course, but also, on calmer days it had become a draw for kayakers, stand up paddle-boarders and snorkelers, keen to catch a glimpse of the teams of marine life that have now colonised the reef.

"The innovative dive trail proposed as part of the Coastal Activity Park will add to the interest we already know exists on the structure, and the extension of the opportunities and facilities for newcomers to a whole range of pursuits means that more and more people will, once it is reopened, begin to enjoy the reef as a leisure amenity for a variety of watersports activities.”

The £3million surf reef has been closed since May 2011 after the bags which make up the reef were severely damaged by a boat propeller.

ASR was due to return and lay new bags by May 31 next year because the reef was only hitting four out of its 11 performance targets.

The council also wanted ASR to lay new bags to replace two damaged by a reported boat strike.

The council has submitted insurance claims for the two bags on the basis they were damaged by a boat though some councillors have continuing concerns about the stability of the reef.

A 2000 report into the reef proposals, which was carried out by maritime consultants HR Wallingford, advised caution over the use of geotextile bags.

The report said that a 1998 scientific study suggests: “The resistance of the bags to puncturing and abrasion is low and the effects of UV radiation on the material unknown.”

A council diving inspection carried out in 2011 raised concerns that some of the bag seams might have failed.

Problems have haunted the surf reef even before the contentious attraction was officially opened.

Rows over delays with work, increasing costs and accusations of spin have all been thrown at Bournemouth Council over the past few years.

Full story and reaction to follow. Read all our surf reef stories, videos and timeline at bournemouthecho.co.uk/surf_reef.

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8:10am Tue 6 Nov 12

crispy_pants says...

GOSH!!!!!
GOSH!!!!! crispy_pants

8:17am Tue 6 Nov 12

Imaximus says...

Imaximus shall "wave" good to it. Free the imax one.
Imaximus shall "wave" good to it. Free the imax one. Imaximus

8:18am Tue 6 Nov 12

Phixer says...

Quelle Surprise!
Quelle Surprise! Phixer

8:31am Tue 6 Nov 12

Was Charlie says...

Why do the council persist with this mythical boat stike claim?
.....
When are those who went on a jolly to New Zealand at council tax payers' expense going to admit that they put on rose tinted glasses, ignored the problems with the New Zealand Reef,and were so dazzled at the thought of a reef that they came back glowing at the prospect of something which would never work?
.......
Time we had another aerial photo showing the current state of what's left of it as they're still saying it will form an integral part of their water-based tourist attraction.
.......
Have the "To the Surf Reef" road signs been removed yet? If not, why not? There's isn't a surf reef - just a few rotting bags of sand.
Why do the council persist with this mythical boat stike claim? ..... When are those who went on a jolly to New Zealand at council tax payers' expense going to admit that they put on rose tinted glasses, ignored the problems with the New Zealand Reef,and were so dazzled at the thought of a reef that they came back glowing at the prospect of something which would never work? ....... Time we had another aerial photo showing the current state of what's left of it as they're still saying it will form an integral part of their water-based tourist attraction. ....... Have the "To the Surf Reef" road signs been removed yet? If not, why not? There's isn't a surf reef - just a few rotting bags of sand. Was Charlie

8:33am Tue 6 Nov 12

Gastines2 says...

Perhaps a little common sense will prevail at the Town Hall and the Reef Remnants can be removed,the beach tidied up in time for next years influx of visitors? Please don't forget to remove the sign on the Spur Road as it's a bit of a joke.Perhaps it could be erected on the Town Hall steps as a reminder to our Councillors to take heed of the obvious?
Perhaps a little common sense will prevail at the Town Hall and the Reef Remnants can be removed,the beach tidied up in time for next years influx of visitors? Please don't forget to remove the sign on the Spur Road as it's a bit of a joke.Perhaps it could be erected on the Town Hall steps as a reminder to our Councillors to take heed of the obvious? Gastines2

8:42am Tue 6 Nov 12

MMM444 says...

well whast a massive suprise that is, now will they concede that the rubbish left on the sea bed needs taking away, and when that done, take that new bridge in Poole as well
well whast a massive suprise that is, now will they concede that the rubbish left on the sea bed needs taking away, and when that done, take that new bridge in Poole as well MMM444

8:46am Tue 6 Nov 12

Holes Bay Curve says...

Yes, BBC News reported all the details at 05:56 this morning .
Yes, BBC News reported all the details at 05:56 this morning . Holes Bay Curve

9:04am Tue 6 Nov 12

penhale says...

Every time the surf reef story crops up we are given the boat strike claim for it's failure when in reality the surf reef project was overseen by people from our council who have neither and sense or intelligence as far as building anything is concerned.
It's about time these morons stepped up to the mark and apologised for their lack of responsibilty and the waste of local tax payers milions.
The signs are still up on the spur road directing travelers to the surf reef which should be taken down before any more of our money is wasted on misrepresentation claims from the surfing community.
In this area alone we have had the surf reef, Imax and the twin sails which have all cost millions of pounds and become this country's largest practical jokes, two of them have featured predominantly on national TV.
I fail to see haw any of the Councillors involved in any of these fiascoes can walk amongst us without feeling any shame, they should all be sacked and sent so some sort of mental institution for the rest of their miserable lives.
Every time the surf reef story crops up we are given the boat strike claim for it's failure when in reality the surf reef project was overseen by people from our council who have neither and sense or intelligence as far as building anything is concerned. It's about time these morons stepped up to the mark and apologised for their lack of responsibilty and the waste of local tax payers milions. The signs are still up on the spur road directing travelers to the surf reef which should be taken down before any more of our money is wasted on misrepresentation claims from the surfing community. In this area alone we have had the surf reef, Imax and the twin sails which have all cost millions of pounds and become this country's largest practical jokes, two of them have featured predominantly on national TV. I fail to see haw any of the Councillors involved in any of these fiascoes can walk amongst us without feeling any shame, they should all be sacked and sent so some sort of mental institution for the rest of their miserable lives. penhale

9:12am Tue 6 Nov 12

MJD says...

More yolk on Bounemouth councils face. Fixed in 2013.
More yolk on Bounemouth councils face. Fixed in 2013. MJD

9:20am Tue 6 Nov 12

Lew Swimmin says...

So that's £3 million washed away by the sea and soon another £10 million to go up in a cloud of smoke and dust when the Imax is demolished, when it could be retained and converted to something valuable.

Don't worry folks, it's only our money that they are throwing away - £70 from every man, woman and child in the town!
So that's £3 million washed away by the sea and soon another £10 million to go up in a cloud of smoke and dust when the Imax is demolished, when it could be retained and converted to something valuable. Don't worry folks, it's only our money that they are throwing away - £70 from every man, woman and child in the town! Lew Swimmin

9:36am Tue 6 Nov 12

BIGTONE says...

Well....It's easily swept under the carpet......sorry!!!
! SEA.
Well....It's easily swept under the carpet......sorry!!! ! SEA. BIGTONE

9:37am Tue 6 Nov 12

High Treason says...

Look on the bright side. We gave some council staff a free holiday in New Zealand to help them cope with the stress making decisions.
Look on the bright side. We gave some council staff a free holiday in New Zealand to help them cope with the stress making decisions. High Treason

9:45am Tue 6 Nov 12

hadvar says...

Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government
Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government hadvar

9:53am Tue 6 Nov 12

Was Charlie says...

hadvar wrote:
Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government
It's nothing to joke about.
[quote][p][bold]hadvar[/bold] wrote: Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government[/p][/quote]It's nothing to joke about. Was Charlie

9:56am Tue 6 Nov 12

Was Charlie says...

hadvar wrote:
Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government
It's nothing to joke about.
......
Those involved will never admit they were wrong. If they did they could be liable for the money misspent and wasted as well as losing their lucrative jobs..
[quote][p][bold]hadvar[/bold] wrote: Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government[/p][/quote]It's nothing to joke about. ...... Those involved will never admit they were wrong. If they did they could be liable for the money misspent and wasted as well as losing their lucrative jobs.. Was Charlie

9:56am Tue 6 Nov 12

rudolph_hucker says...

People complain about dogs leaving mess on the beach, well that surf reef looks like the worlds biggest £3m turd just sitting in the water.
And it's about as much use.
Those who wasted the money should be identified and forced to explain their actions.
People complain about dogs leaving mess on the beach, well that surf reef looks like the worlds biggest £3m turd just sitting in the water. And it's about as much use. Those who wasted the money should be identified and forced to explain their actions. rudolph_hucker

10:10am Tue 6 Nov 12

anti wrinkle says...

HERE WE GO AGAIN, THE TURD EXPERT IS BACK ON LINE.
HERE WE GO AGAIN, THE TURD EXPERT IS BACK ON LINE. anti wrinkle

10:19am Tue 6 Nov 12

BarrHumbug says...

Was there ever going to be any other outcome to this?

A totally shocking affair from start to finish, but I guess its easy to sign off on a whimsical £3,000,000 project when its not your money your playing with and with no accountability when it fails?
Was there ever going to be any other outcome to this? A totally shocking affair from start to finish, but I guess its easy to sign off on a whimsical £3,000,000 project when its not your money your playing with and with no accountability when it fails? BarrHumbug

10:25am Tue 6 Nov 12

Redgolfer00 says...

Was Charlie wrote:
hadvar wrote:
Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government
It's nothing to joke about.
......
Those involved will never admit they were wrong. If they did they could be liable for the money misspent and wasted as well as losing their lucrative jobs..
WHY are those people that wasted all of OUR money being taken to task, named and shamed and loosing their jobs because they are just not up to it and be made liable for all monies that they misspent, they were all told on this web site often enough.
[quote][p][bold]Was Charlie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hadvar[/bold] wrote: Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government[/p][/quote]It's nothing to joke about. ...... Those involved will never admit they were wrong. If they did they could be liable for the money misspent and wasted as well as losing their lucrative jobs..[/p][/quote]WHY are those people that wasted all of OUR money being taken to task, named and shamed and loosing their jobs because they are just not up to it and be made liable for all monies that they misspent, they were all told on this web site often enough. Redgolfer00

10:37am Tue 6 Nov 12

Lord Spring says...

No problems folks just just get eCoast to come in and fix it they are experts in this field
By the way they are based in NZ and the MD has previous experience with a surf reef in UK
No problems folks just just get eCoast to come in and fix it they are experts in this field By the way they are based in NZ and the MD has previous experience with a surf reef in UK Lord Spring

10:46am Tue 6 Nov 12

DemonDiva says...

Well spotted Lord Spring :o)
Well spotted Lord Spring :o) DemonDiva

10:58am Tue 6 Nov 12

BarrHumbug says...

DemonDiva wrote:
Well spotted Lord Spring :o)
No offence to Lord Spring but its not that well spotted, even the Echo noticed that one 6mths ago.
Surprised the guy behind eCoast had the cheek to offer his services, but then I guess he does know we've gullible people at our town hall with access to large amounts of money so hey why not have another crack at it?
[quote][p][bold]DemonDiva[/bold] wrote: Well spotted Lord Spring :o)[/p][/quote]No offence to Lord Spring but its not that well spotted, even the Echo noticed that one 6mths ago. Surprised the guy behind eCoast had the cheek to offer his services, but then I guess he does know we've gullible people at our town hall with access to large amounts of money so hey why not have another crack at it? BarrHumbug

11:00am Tue 6 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

Mark Smith talks out of his backside, again

"Before the reef was damaged it was being used for much more than just surfing" A LIE

It was not damaged, it slowly disintegrated from the first few months onward. It was NEVER used because it did not produce the waves that it was supposed to do.

"it contributes still more to the economic regeneration of the area" A LIE

It has contributed nothing. In fact in has been a massive drain on council resources and money. As have the unsold surf pods, the lights on the pier and the numerous events staged there to try and get visitors back to that area.

"Whilst it was always known that the number of surfing days would be limited by weather conditions" A LIE

The original proposals claimed that there would be TWICE as many surfing days as before. No mention of weather then.


It is bad enough that this horrific failure has cost local taxpayers millions - surf reef (£3m plus), surf pods (£2m), but we have to put up with further insults via this fool who still refuses to admit what we all know, and what I am sure he knows as well.

It is time for the council to come clean on this and tell us the full costs involved in this fiasco.

How much were the Hemingways paid and how much is still to be paid pending any further sales ?

How much has been diverted from elsewhere to stage/subsidies events there ?

How much of the witheld £150,000 was paid to ASR and what work did they carry out ?

No more lies, no more spin. The council is answerable to us and so should now provide those answers.
Mark Smith talks out of his backside, again "Before the reef was damaged it was being used for much more than just surfing" A LIE It was not damaged, it slowly disintegrated from the first few months onward. It was NEVER used because it did not produce the waves that it was supposed to do. "it contributes still more to the economic regeneration of the area" A LIE It has contributed nothing. In fact in has been a massive drain on council resources and money. As have the unsold surf pods, the lights on the pier and the numerous events staged there to try and get visitors back to that area. "Whilst it was always known that the number of surfing days would be limited by weather conditions" A LIE The original proposals claimed that there would be TWICE as many surfing days as before. No mention of weather then. It is bad enough that this horrific failure has cost local taxpayers millions - surf reef (£3m plus), surf pods (£2m), but we have to put up with further insults via this fool who still refuses to admit what we all know, and what I am sure he knows as well. It is time for the council to come clean on this and tell us the full costs involved in this fiasco. How much were the Hemingways paid and how much is still to be paid pending any further sales ? How much has been diverted from elsewhere to stage/subsidies events there ? How much of the witheld £150,000 was paid to ASR and what work did they carry out ? No more lies, no more spin. The council is answerable to us and so should now provide those answers. Bob49

11:07am Tue 6 Nov 12

bobsworthforever says...

Whats a Coastal Activity Park does he mean the beach i suggest we cancel the demolition of the Imax and turn it into a reef folly with lumps of plastic bags on display and a few stuffed effigys of totally inept local councillors.Also please do not employ any further contractors with any NZ connection they are not good enough.When i worked in London colleagues said they were coming down to Bournemouth such a lovely place not to see a clapped out surf reef
Whats a Coastal Activity Park does he mean the beach i suggest we cancel the demolition of the Imax and turn it into a reef folly with lumps of plastic bags on display and a few stuffed effigys of totally inept local councillors.Also please do not employ any further contractors with any NZ connection they are not good enough.When i worked in London colleagues said they were coming down to Bournemouth such a lovely place not to see a clapped out surf reef bobsworthforever

11:14am Tue 6 Nov 12

Stop Press says...

Boat strike, insurance Claim? How can you claim for damage to something that's worthless? I'm surprised boat owners aren't suing for damage to craft caused by the deliberate placement of an underwater hazard.
As for the Imax, it might be an idea to leave it where it is & mask the view of the proposed offshore windmill factory!
Boat strike, insurance Claim? How can you claim for damage to something that's worthless? I'm surprised boat owners aren't suing for damage to craft caused by the deliberate placement of an underwater hazard. As for the Imax, it might be an idea to leave it where it is & mask the view of the proposed offshore windmill factory! Stop Press

11:18am Tue 6 Nov 12

chicken_madras says...

Unbelievable. I Literally Can't believe no one has been held accountable for this. If i was responsible for loosing £3M+ in my job i would never work in the industry again.

BBC are all in it togethor to hide the facts. Good hard working people will never get an honest answer out of those scumbags for how their money was almost literally thrown into the sea.
Unbelievable. I Literally Can't believe no one has been held accountable for this. If i was responsible for loosing £3M+ in my job i would never work in the industry again. BBC are all in it togethor to hide the facts. Good hard working people will never get an honest answer out of those scumbags for how their money was almost literally thrown into the sea. chicken_madras

11:20am Tue 6 Nov 12

chicken_madras says...

Is there no one higher up in the government that questions what went wrong?
Is there no one higher up in the government that questions what went wrong? chicken_madras

11:21am Tue 6 Nov 12

Rally says...

"Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Council, ..." - and master of political spin.

Mr Mark Smith is, in my opinion, once again being economical with the truth.
How on earth does he get away with it?
Why won't the Bournemouth councillors who are supposedly opposed to the Reef stand up and demand that Mr Smith publically tell the truth once and for all about the whole highly questionable Boscombe seafront redevelopment?
"Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Council, ..." - and master of political spin. Mr Mark Smith is, in my opinion, once again being economical with the truth. How on earth does he get away with it? Why won't the Bournemouth councillors who are supposedly opposed to the Reef stand up and demand that Mr Smith publically tell the truth once and for all about the whole highly questionable Boscombe seafront redevelopment? Rally

11:29am Tue 6 Nov 12

sar72 says...

Least the marine life has flourished :0)
Least the marine life has flourished :0) sar72

11:31am Tue 6 Nov 12

bornINpoole69 says...

ASR sunk
Surf reef sunk
When we combine Poole Bournemouth and Christchurch councils then we can sink the Bournmemouth council too!
I am so pleased my council tax is going to Poole. No turds on our Blue flag beaches!
ASR sunk Surf reef sunk When we combine Poole Bournemouth and Christchurch councils then we can sink the Bournmemouth council too! I am so pleased my council tax is going to Poole. No turds on our Blue flag beaches! bornINpoole69

11:38am Tue 6 Nov 12

hadvar says...

Was Charlie wrote:
hadvar wrote:
Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government
It's nothing to joke about.
Yes it is. Cheer up Charlie.
[quote][p][bold]Was Charlie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hadvar[/bold] wrote: Companies come and companies go, what's really important is the legacy they leave behind. ASR Limited leave us with a infrastructure facility that is enjoyed by millions of visitors every year, that produces a uniquely effective surfing experience. Without the technical and engineering expertise of ASR, Bournemouth would not be counted along with Hawaii and the Gold Coast as a world surfing destination, putting so called 'nature' in places like Sennen Cove or Watergate Bay to shame. Thanks ASR, without you, Bournemouth would still be renown as a binge drinking hotspot, famous for inept local government[/p][/quote]It's nothing to joke about.[/p][/quote]Yes it is. Cheer up Charlie. hadvar

11:47am Tue 6 Nov 12

justsayithowitis says...

bornINpoole69 wrote:
ASR sunk
Surf reef sunk
When we combine Poole Bournemouth and Christchurch councils then we can sink the Bournmemouth council too!
I am so pleased my council tax is going to Poole. No turds on our Blue flag beaches!
No turds but we have paid a fortune for a bridge that is not a bridge
[quote][p][bold]bornINpoole69[/bold] wrote: ASR sunk Surf reef sunk When we combine Poole Bournemouth and Christchurch councils then we can sink the Bournmemouth council too! I am so pleased my council tax is going to Poole. No turds on our Blue flag beaches![/p][/quote]No turds but we have paid a fortune for a bridge that is not a bridge justsayithowitis

11:53am Tue 6 Nov 12

bornINpoole69 says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
bornINpoole69 wrote: ASR sunk Surf reef sunk When we combine Poole Bournemouth and Christchurch councils then we can sink the Bournmemouth council too! I am so pleased my council tax is going to Poole. No turds on our Blue flag beaches!
No turds but we have paid a fortune for a bridge that is not a bridge
give it time!
it is a pretty ornament at night though. should help Business grow at City Bay Views - I spent a lovely evening there this week considering how much the electricity bill to illuminate it might be.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornINpoole69[/bold] wrote: ASR sunk Surf reef sunk When we combine Poole Bournemouth and Christchurch councils then we can sink the Bournmemouth council too! I am so pleased my council tax is going to Poole. No turds on our Blue flag beaches![/p][/quote]No turds but we have paid a fortune for a bridge that is not a bridge[/p][/quote]give it time! it is a pretty ornament at night though. should help Business grow at City Bay Views - I spent a lovely evening there this week considering how much the electricity bill to illuminate it might be. bornINpoole69

11:55am Tue 6 Nov 12

ekimnoslen says...

Phixer wrote:
Quelle Surprise!
Quite! I too am amazed.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: Quelle Surprise![/p][/quote]Quite! I too am amazed. ekimnoslen

12:09pm Tue 6 Nov 12

The irate commuter says...

Why would the councillors care if the surf reef works?

They have long since received their 'cut' in allowing all the extra flats/houese to be built on the back of it!
Why would the councillors care if the surf reef works? They have long since received their 'cut' in allowing all the extra flats/houese to be built on the back of it! The irate commuter

12:31pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Wheres my council tax says...

Not content with burrying 3 million pounds under the sea at Boscombe pier they now want to put 10 million pounds of rubble next to Bournemouth pier. Why not build an indoor all year round facility for everyone in the south like a SNOWDOME. Might actually recoup something?
Not content with burrying 3 million pounds under the sea at Boscombe pier they now want to put 10 million pounds of rubble next to Bournemouth pier. Why not build an indoor all year round facility for everyone in the south like a SNOWDOME. Might actually recoup something? Wheres my council tax

12:43pm Tue 6 Nov 12

miketheplumb says...

So...
That's the IMAX
Went bust & being demolished
That's outsourcing of council work
Went bust
That's the reef
Went bust
What a wonderful selection process and criteria they use, in the council office.
Private business would have been history by now....and yet.....
So... That's the IMAX Went bust & being demolished That's outsourcing of council work Went bust That's the reef Went bust What a wonderful selection process and criteria they use, in the council office. Private business would have been history by now....and yet..... miketheplumb

12:48pm Tue 6 Nov 12

muscliffman says...

There is little public evidence that the Town Hall have recently pursued ASR over this failed reef, so this is a rather unsurprising non-story really.

However it has to be time for a number of the patently incompetent Town Hall Officers to face career 'liquidation' for their role in this scandal.

We all know where that should start don't we Mr Smith.
There is little public evidence that the Town Hall have recently pursued ASR over this failed reef, so this is a rather unsurprising non-story really. However it has to be time for a number of the patently incompetent Town Hall Officers to face career 'liquidation' for their role in this scandal. We all know where that should start don't we Mr Smith. muscliffman

12:51pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

Wheres my council tax wrote:
Not content with burrying 3 million pounds under the sea at Boscombe pier they now want to put 10 million pounds of rubble next to Bournemouth pier. Why not build an indoor all year round facility for everyone in the south like a SNOWDOME. Might actually recoup something?
Where have you been ? They are set to recoup 'something', that's why they have spent all that money.

It's called 'comprehensive redeveopment' (appartments). Whether they use a snowdome, a reef or an ice rink as the cover story we have yet to be told, but the development is on it's way, have no fear of that.

Whether it will be the new Sandbanks we are yet to be told.
[quote][p][bold]Wheres my council tax[/bold] wrote: Not content with burrying 3 million pounds under the sea at Boscombe pier they now want to put 10 million pounds of rubble next to Bournemouth pier. Why not build an indoor all year round facility for everyone in the south like a SNOWDOME. Might actually recoup something?[/p][/quote]Where have you been ? They are set to recoup 'something', that's why they have spent all that money. It's called 'comprehensive redeveopment' (appartments). Whether they use a snowdome, a reef or an ice rink as the cover story we have yet to be told, but the development is on it's way, have no fear of that. Whether it will be the new Sandbanks we are yet to be told. Bob49

12:54pm Tue 6 Nov 12

BarrHumbug says...

I seem to recall that even when it was open people were not to approach the actual reef, only surf off its resulting ripple, due mainly to the reef being deemed dangerous?
If that's true then how do they propose to open it up as a dive and treasure trail site?

But aside from the whole thing not working etc, why the delay in obtaining the insurance money for the supposed boat strike? Even if they can find someone to fix it their not going to make the thing actually work and who's to say the following week some hapless idiot wont go and drive over it again and burst another bag?
Will we then be left with a closed surf reef again for another 2yrs while the insurance is sorted out. While we're on the subject how much is the premium on this sort of thing? very high I should think seeing as anyone one can go out, buy a boat and without any training or insurance just go out to sea!
I seem to recall that even when it was open people were not to approach the actual reef, only surf off its resulting ripple, due mainly to the reef being deemed dangerous? If that's true then how do they propose to open it up as a dive and treasure trail site? But aside from the whole thing not working etc, why the delay in obtaining the insurance money for the supposed boat strike? Even if they can find someone to fix it their not going to make the thing actually work and who's to say the following week some hapless idiot wont go and drive over it again and burst another bag? Will we then be left with a closed surf reef again for another 2yrs while the insurance is sorted out. While we're on the subject how much is the premium on this sort of thing? very high I should think seeing as anyone one can go out, buy a boat and without any training or insurance just go out to sea! BarrHumbug

12:54pm Tue 6 Nov 12

spooki says...

rudolph_hucker wrote:
People complain about dogs leaving mess on the beach, well that surf reef looks like the worlds biggest £3m turd just sitting in the water.
And it's about as much use.
Those who wasted the money should be identified and forced to explain their actions.
It comes under Boscombe. Regenerate and 'improve' all you want but "you can't polish a turd". Who get these brilliant ideas? Yet another so called planner that sits behind a desk and finds stupid ways to use up a budget.
[quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: People complain about dogs leaving mess on the beach, well that surf reef looks like the worlds biggest £3m turd just sitting in the water. And it's about as much use. Those who wasted the money should be identified and forced to explain their actions.[/p][/quote]It comes under Boscombe. Regenerate and 'improve' all you want but "you can't polish a turd". Who get these brilliant ideas? Yet another so called planner that sits behind a desk and finds stupid ways to use up a budget. spooki

1:08pm Tue 6 Nov 12

grecco says...

do these idiots in the town hall realy expect us to vote 4 them next time after all the lies we have being told about the surf they couldnt organise a **** up at a brewery
do these idiots in the town hall realy expect us to vote 4 them next time after all the lies we have being told about the surf they couldnt organise a **** up at a brewery grecco

1:23pm Tue 6 Nov 12

BournemouthMatt says...

Part of the problem with Bournemouth Council is the 'jobs for the boys' mentality that goes on. How many times do we see the same old sub-standard companies being used for things like Christmas markets, fun fairs, etc?

It's not just a local government issue but one that exists in all workplace sectors. If people/companies were employed on ability rather than who they know then this country would be in a much better state.
Part of the problem with Bournemouth Council is the 'jobs for the boys' mentality that goes on. How many times do we see the same old sub-standard companies being used for things like Christmas markets, fun fairs, etc? It's not just a local government issue but one that exists in all workplace sectors. If people/companies were employed on ability rather than who they know then this country would be in a much better state. BournemouthMatt

1:25pm Tue 6 Nov 12

BmthNewshound says...

Amazing that whilst Beasley has been in charge of the Councils finances £3m has been spent on a failed surf reef, £10m to buy and then simply demolish a prime seafront property, £150m contract signed with a failed outsourcing company.
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Beasley is clearly on a mission to bankrupt Bournemouth and if the Council carry on wasting money on this scale he'll succeed.
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The government can't keep giving handouts to councils in return for freezing council tax. When this scheme stops Bournemouth will have no option other than to significantly increase council tax. But perhaps thats what it will take to make people in Bournemouth wake up to the way Beasley has squandered £millions on projects which have been of no benefit to residents.
Amazing that whilst Beasley has been in charge of the Councils finances £3m has been spent on a failed surf reef, £10m to buy and then simply demolish a prime seafront property, £150m contract signed with a failed outsourcing company. . Beasley is clearly on a mission to bankrupt Bournemouth and if the Council carry on wasting money on this scale he'll succeed. . The government can't keep giving handouts to councils in return for freezing council tax. When this scheme stops Bournemouth will have no option other than to significantly increase council tax. But perhaps thats what it will take to make people in Bournemouth wake up to the way Beasley has squandered £millions on projects which have been of no benefit to residents. BmthNewshound

1:35pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

"who's to say the following week some hapless idiot wont go and drive over it again and burst another bag?


again ! ! !

There was NO boat in the first place. The whole thing has been falling apart/splitting since the beginning - maybe why the insurance company is not paying out.

As to Beasleys spending, you over look the £2m taken from the Captital fund to cover the losses on the surf pods.
"who's to say the following week some hapless idiot wont go and drive over it again and burst another bag? again ! ! ! There was NO boat in the first place. The whole thing has been falling apart/splitting since the beginning - maybe why the insurance company is not paying out. As to Beasleys spending, you over look the £2m taken from the Captital fund to cover the losses on the surf pods. Bob49

1:37pm Tue 6 Nov 12

ajj-dorset says...

Mark Smith on BBC news about the surf reef

"Its been a fantastic success and will continue to be that"
"its become a model for the rest of Bournemouth sea front"

the man is a fool!!
Mark Smith on BBC news about the surf reef "Its been a fantastic success and will continue to be that" "its become a model for the rest of Bournemouth sea front" the man is a fool!! ajj-dorset

1:48pm Tue 6 Nov 12

muscliffman says...

Stop Press wrote:
Boat strike, insurance Claim? How can you claim for damage to something that's worthless? I'm surprised boat owners aren't suing for damage to craft caused by the deliberate placement of an underwater hazard.
As for the Imax, it might be an idea to leave it where it is & mask the view of the proposed offshore windmill factory!
Yes. A point I have made on here in the past, how do they expect any Insurer to pay to repair something that never actually worked in the first place.

Bob49 -
You say 'they' will recoup money over the forthcoming 'comprehensive redevelopment' of the Imax and adjoing sites.
Please clarify, is 'they' the public Council purse that paid for the site/s, or is a lot of that money heading somewhere else. (You know where I mean!)
[quote][p][bold]Stop Press[/bold] wrote: Boat strike, insurance Claim? How can you claim for damage to something that's worthless? I'm surprised boat owners aren't suing for damage to craft caused by the deliberate placement of an underwater hazard. As for the Imax, it might be an idea to leave it where it is & mask the view of the proposed offshore windmill factory![/p][/quote]Yes. A point I have made on here in the past, how do they expect any Insurer to pay to repair something that never actually worked in the first place. Bob49 - You say 'they' will recoup money over the forthcoming 'comprehensive redevelopment' of the Imax and adjoing sites. Please clarify, is 'they' the public Council purse that paid for the site/s, or is a lot of that money heading somewhere else. (You know where I mean!) muscliffman

1:58pm Tue 6 Nov 12

boverboy says...

ajj-dorset wrote:
Mark Smith on BBC news about the surf reef

"Its been a fantastic success and will continue to be that"
"its become a model for the rest of Bournemouth sea front"

the man is a fool!!
Poor old Mark Smith who keeps getting put infront of the TV cameras to try and defend the surf reef,does he really believe what comes out of his mouth - where are the leading councillors or the Chief Executive?
Yesterday it was a new Director - Bill Cotton - put out to defend the demolition of the Waterfront building with promises of exciting outside events- given his name can we expect some Band Shows?
[quote][p][bold]ajj-dorset[/bold] wrote: Mark Smith on BBC news about the surf reef "Its been a fantastic success and will continue to be that" "its become a model for the rest of Bournemouth sea front" the man is a fool!![/p][/quote]Poor old Mark Smith who keeps getting put infront of the TV cameras to try and defend the surf reef,does he really believe what comes out of his mouth - where are the leading councillors or the Chief Executive? Yesterday it was a new Director - Bill Cotton - put out to defend the demolition of the Waterfront building with promises of exciting outside events- given his name can we expect some Band Shows? boverboy

1:59pm Tue 6 Nov 12

wokboy60 says...

I have just watched Mark Smith being interviewed on South Today's lunchtime edition . With out any shadow of doubt the interview put the Chloe Smith, from the Treasury,one on Newsnight in to second place for sheer cringeworthyness !! . Mark Smith gave the best performance of somebody that is not just "in denial " but is certifiably delusional .Who ever thought that letting Mr Smith any were near a TV camera spouting such blatant rubbish should also be asked to resign . What on earth IS going on at Bournemouth Town Hall ?? I hope that by now the wheels are in motion for Mark to get the proffessional help that he appears to need .....and just in case you dont "get it" Mark .......the Reef has gone , dissapeared , washed away , deceased , is no more, just a few bags of sand returning to nature !
I have just watched Mark Smith being interviewed on South Today's lunchtime edition . With out any shadow of doubt the interview put the Chloe Smith, from the Treasury,one on Newsnight in to second place for sheer cringeworthyness !! . Mark Smith gave the best performance of somebody that is not just "in denial " but is certifiably delusional .Who ever thought that letting Mr Smith any were near a TV camera spouting such blatant rubbish should also be asked to resign . What on earth IS going on at Bournemouth Town Hall ?? I hope that by now the wheels are in motion for Mark to get the proffessional help that he appears to need .....and just in case you dont "get it" Mark .......the Reef has gone , dissapeared , washed away , deceased , is no more, just a few bags of sand returning to nature ! wokboy60

2:29pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

"Please clarify, is 'they' the public Council purse that paid for the site/s, or is a lot of that money heading somewhere else. (You know where I mean!)”

i should hardly imagibe there would be so many snouts in the trough if it wasn't topped up occasionally.

"its become a model for the rest of Bournemouth sea front"


broken pier, empty surf pods, beach washed away ... some model that Mr Smith

maybe it explains why the place is now a ghost town, with the only attraction being the overflow pipe emptying out onto the beach

so tell us how much this model has cost Mr Smith
"Please clarify, is 'they' the public Council purse that paid for the site/s, or is a lot of that money heading somewhere else. (You know where I mean!)” i should hardly imagibe there would be so many snouts in the trough if it wasn't topped up occasionally. "its become a model for the rest of Bournemouth sea front" broken pier, empty surf pods, beach washed away ... some model that Mr Smith maybe it explains why the place is now a ghost town, with the only attraction being the overflow pipe emptying out onto the beach so tell us how much this model has cost Mr Smith Bob49

2:52pm Tue 6 Nov 12

saynomore says...

Would someone on the council please explain how a boat propeller could hit the reef,I was under the impression that the bags wre under the surface not floating on top,what a crock of **** (my asterisks btw to save the Echo bothering)
Would someone on the council please explain how a boat propeller could hit the reef,I was under the impression that the bags wre under the surface not floating on top,what a crock of **** (my asterisks btw to save the Echo bothering) saynomore

3:01pm Tue 6 Nov 12

4FoxAche says...

"Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Council, said the liquidation made no difference to the council's plans for the reef, which are now focusing on making to a diving and snorkel attraction. "

Mark Smith... You are a clown.
"Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Council, said the liquidation made no difference to the council's plans for the reef, which are now focusing on making to a diving and snorkel attraction. " Mark Smith... You are a clown. 4FoxAche

3:17pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Azphreal says...

How much would it have cost to dump a tonne of boulders just off the shore to create somewhere to dive and for marine life? I wonder if there is another reef building company with the same top staff who i bet managed to walk away with money.
How much would it have cost to dump a tonne of boulders just off the shore to create somewhere to dive and for marine life? I wonder if there is another reef building company with the same top staff who i bet managed to walk away with money. Azphreal

3:50pm Tue 6 Nov 12

TheDistrict says...

I watched the BBC South news at lunch time and was appalled at the lies reeling from the mouth of Mark Smith. Considering that ASR has a list of failed reefs around the globe, is the only company who can, if they can fix it, and of course the matter of the boat damage, which has never been proven, and if was, surely the damage would have been settled by now.
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From the failure of the reef, some three years ago, the council and the tourist office have denied the reality of the surf reef, in that it is complete failure.
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Mark Smith needs to listen to the likes of Ben Grover and the many other council representatives who think along the same lines as Mr. Grover.
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It is now time that Bournemouth council stopped lying to its people, the very people who gave them the seats and speak the truth. Giving the real truth about the failed surf reef and let it lie as a natural marine life home. Likewise, whilst on the subject,
it was noticed that lies appeared on the IMAX story yesterday. Even the council leaders, both old and new said it cost 8.5m to buy, and further 2.5m to demolish. Yet on the last evenings news it was reported at a total of 6.5m. Stop lying.
I watched the BBC South news at lunch time and was appalled at the lies reeling from the mouth of Mark Smith. Considering that ASR has a list of failed reefs around the globe, is the only company who can, if they can fix it, and of course the matter of the boat damage, which has never been proven, and if was, surely the damage would have been settled by now. . From the failure of the reef, some three years ago, the council and the tourist office have denied the reality of the surf reef, in that it is complete failure. . Mark Smith needs to listen to the likes of Ben Grover and the many other council representatives who think along the same lines as Mr. Grover. . It is now time that Bournemouth council stopped lying to its people, the very people who gave them the seats and speak the truth. Giving the real truth about the failed surf reef and let it lie as a natural marine life home. Likewise, whilst on the subject, it was noticed that lies appeared on the IMAX story yesterday. Even the council leaders, both old and new said it cost 8.5m to buy, and further 2.5m to demolish. Yet on the last evenings news it was reported at a total of 6.5m. Stop lying. TheDistrict

4:06pm Tue 6 Nov 12

overthehills says...

Coastal Reef Activity Park would provide an accurate acronym.

And I'm no expert but how could scuba diving around a reef swept by "surfing waves" possibly be an enjoyable or safe experience?
Coastal Reef Activity Park would provide an accurate acronym. And I'm no expert but how could scuba diving around a reef swept by "surfing waves" possibly be an enjoyable or safe experience? overthehills

4:13pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Ophilum says...

It should be a job for the audit commission, The councillors that gave this money away should be held to account and disbarred from office.
It should be a job for the audit commission, The councillors that gave this money away should be held to account and disbarred from office. Ophilum

4:22pm Tue 6 Nov 12

MIKIEDEE says...

the sooner we have elections for the council again the better they have comw across as dimwits who spend money on a lot off folly....next time lets vote for people witha little common sense and a brain, maybe even big bird!!!
the sooner we have elections for the council again the better they have comw across as dimwits who spend money on a lot off folly....next time lets vote for people witha little common sense and a brain, maybe even big bird!!! MIKIEDEE

4:45pm Tue 6 Nov 12

andydixon says...

I want to know how this 'Ghost Ship' managed to damage the 'Reef' without being seen by the live online webcam that was running 24/7 at the time?
I want to know how this 'Ghost Ship' managed to damage the 'Reef' without being seen by the live online webcam that was running 24/7 at the time? andydixon

5:05pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Tig says...

This is news? You only had to Google ASR last year to find out that at least one of the directors left before the whole thing came crashing down around him. The 'writing was on the cards' back then.
This is news? You only had to Google ASR last year to find out that at least one of the directors left before the whole thing came crashing down around him. The 'writing was on the cards' back then. Tig

5:24pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Old Colonial says...

Is there no legal brain out there willing to take these charlatans at the town hall to court for fraud, misappropriation of funds, corruption. All only alleged of course, but something needs to happen to force a new, hopefully clean, start to the governance of the borough.
Is there no legal brain out there willing to take these charlatans at the town hall to court for fraud, misappropriation of funds, corruption. All only alleged of course, but something needs to happen to force a new, hopefully clean, start to the governance of the borough. Old Colonial

5:33pm Tue 6 Nov 12

oneshortleg says...

A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out!
A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out! oneshortleg

6:10pm Tue 6 Nov 12

BIGTONE says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Amazing that whilst Beasley has been in charge of the Councils finances £3m has been spent on a failed surf reef, £10m to buy and then simply demolish a prime seafront property, £150m contract signed with a failed outsourcing company.
.
Beasley is clearly on a mission to bankrupt Bournemouth and if the Council carry on wasting money on this scale he'll succeed.
.
The government can't keep giving handouts to councils in return for freezing council tax. When this scheme stops Bournemouth will have no option other than to significantly increase council tax. But perhaps thats what it will take to make people in Bournemouth wake up to the way Beasley has squandered £millions on projects which have been of no benefit to residents.
They have run out of brown envelopes.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Amazing that whilst Beasley has been in charge of the Councils finances £3m has been spent on a failed surf reef, £10m to buy and then simply demolish a prime seafront property, £150m contract signed with a failed outsourcing company. . Beasley is clearly on a mission to bankrupt Bournemouth and if the Council carry on wasting money on this scale he'll succeed. . The government can't keep giving handouts to councils in return for freezing council tax. When this scheme stops Bournemouth will have no option other than to significantly increase council tax. But perhaps thats what it will take to make people in Bournemouth wake up to the way Beasley has squandered £millions on projects which have been of no benefit to residents.[/p][/quote]They have run out of brown envelopes. BIGTONE

6:34pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Kantsas says...

Castlepoint
IMAX
Surf reef

Can we please give the boot to these fools who spend our money on all this rubbish???
Give me the job for half of whatever these fools get... It's soooo tiring to keep hearing how stupid these people are continuing to be, it's insulting and I have no idea why we put up with it.

Why can't Bournemouth do something useful for once and build that road behind Bournemouth uni linking boundary road to alder hills most useful thing they could do. Yet they scraped that and thought oh yeah a ****ing surf reef
Castlepoint IMAX Surf reef Can we please give the boot to these fools who spend our money on all this rubbish??? Give me the job for half of whatever these fools get... It's soooo tiring to keep hearing how stupid these people are continuing to be, it's insulting and I have no idea why we put up with it. Why can't Bournemouth do something useful for once and build that road behind Bournemouth uni linking boundary road to alder hills most useful thing they could do. Yet they scraped that and thought oh yeah a ****ing surf reef Kantsas

6:39pm Tue 6 Nov 12

The Seasider says...

In Memoriam
ASR, Antipodean Pirates of the Seas

So. Farewell
Then
ASR.
Famous for
Building a surf reef
Minus the surf.

Big waves were made
In the report
But not the sea.

Bag fulls of cash
Swapped for sand
Hope prolonged
The torment
We should have cement.

Alas no reef
Just grief.

E.J.Thribb (£3.5m)
In Memoriam ASR, Antipodean Pirates of the Seas So. Farewell Then ASR. Famous for Building a surf reef Minus the surf. Big waves were made In the report But not the sea. Bag fulls of cash Swapped for sand Hope prolonged The torment We should have cement. Alas no reef Just grief. E.J.Thribb (£3.5m) The Seasider

7:00pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Chriswood says...

ASR well known in NZ for conning other projects.

Another LibDem white elephant along with the IMAX.
ASR well known in NZ for conning other projects. Another LibDem white elephant along with the IMAX. Chriswood

7:01pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Bournefre says...

Time to move on to the next ambitious plan; it needs to be an attraction that will draw people into the town, something for all ages which can be used all year round...
Time to move on to the next ambitious plan; it needs to be an attraction that will draw people into the town, something for all ages which can be used all year round... Bournefre

7:02pm Tue 6 Nov 12

sofa_king_right says...

I simply don't understand how a company that made such an excellent reliable product has gone out of business?
I simply don't understand how a company that made such an excellent reliable product has gone out of business? sofa_king_right

7:03pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Was Charlie says...

Can't you just magine the "brain" storming session:
"We're in the s**t with council tax payers over the fiasco that is the "surf" reef. Anyone got any ideas on what they're likely to swallow as possible uses for it so we can all keep our jobs?"
"Dive centre, learn to dive centre, kayake centre, paddle board lessons, snorkling to look at the wildlife that's colonised it, synchronised swimming displays, navigation around hidden underwater obstacles sculling, themed dives looking for mermaids, picnics on top of the reef at low tide. - Taxpayers are idiots so they'll believe any thing we say, including what good value it's been and we won't look at all stupid ."
......
After all, it's been a fantastic success.
Can't you just magine the "brain" storming session: "We're in the s**t with council tax payers over the fiasco that is the "surf" reef. Anyone got any ideas on what they're likely to swallow as possible uses for it so we can all keep our jobs?" "Dive centre, learn to dive centre, kayake centre, paddle board lessons, snorkling to look at the wildlife that's colonised it, synchronised swimming displays, navigation around hidden underwater obstacles sculling, themed dives looking for mermaids, picnics on top of the reef at low tide. - Taxpayers are idiots so they'll believe any thing we say, including what good value it's been and we won't look at all stupid ." ...... After all, it's been a fantastic success. Was Charlie

7:05pm Tue 6 Nov 12

AnastasiaB says...

Once again Council spin is released. Maybe it is time to question Mark Smith's suitability for his job. The Council like him because he can put a positive look on even the most hopeless situation, but who suggested them in the first place. Since he came into his position there have been many failures and only one or two successes. His TV interview was not good as he came across as a man who is definately in denial of anything being wrong. Maybe it is time to examine the whole structure of Bournemouth's Tourism.
Once again Council spin is released. Maybe it is time to question Mark Smith's suitability for his job. The Council like him because he can put a positive look on even the most hopeless situation, but who suggested them in the first place. Since he came into his position there have been many failures and only one or two successes. His TV interview was not good as he came across as a man who is definately in denial of anything being wrong. Maybe it is time to examine the whole structure of Bournemouth's Tourism. AnastasiaB

7:48pm Tue 6 Nov 12

anti wrinkle says...

We old men in this warden controlled bed sit block can wet our pants enough without going in the sea.
We old men in this warden controlled bed sit block can wet our pants enough without going in the sea. anti wrinkle

7:51pm Tue 6 Nov 12

praelis says...

Bournemouth Council were told by new zealand i believe it was not to employ these contractors as the contractors left a dangerous site out there.when will our council learn?
Bournemouth Council were told by new zealand i believe it was not to employ these contractors as the contractors left a dangerous site out there.when will our council learn? praelis

8:02pm Tue 6 Nov 12

wokboy60 says...

There is something that keeps "nagging" away at me about this whole in denial thing from the Council about the failure of the Reef project .Are the Councillors involved in the decision making process open to being surcharged for the various failings along the way ?? Is there a time limitation on action that can be taken against them i.e. if the reef has some residual amenity value in X number of years from construction they are no longer in jeopardy ?? Just seems so odd that Mark Smith was shoved out in front of the cameras to come out with just possibly the biggest load of tripe I have ever heard from a public servant ! Why also was the version of the interview on tonights programme different from the lunchtime version ??
There is something that keeps "nagging" away at me about this whole in denial thing from the Council about the failure of the Reef project .Are the Councillors involved in the decision making process open to being surcharged for the various failings along the way ?? Is there a time limitation on action that can be taken against them i.e. if the reef has some residual amenity value in X number of years from construction they are no longer in jeopardy ?? Just seems so odd that Mark Smith was shoved out in front of the cameras to come out with just possibly the biggest load of tripe I have ever heard from a public servant ! Why also was the version of the interview on tonights programme different from the lunchtime version ?? wokboy60

8:22pm Tue 6 Nov 12

rusty james says...

oneshortleg wrote:
A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out!
Absolutely SPOT ON!
[quote][p][bold]oneshortleg[/bold] wrote: A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out![/p][/quote]Absolutely SPOT ON! rusty james

8:36pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

rusty james wrote:
oneshortleg wrote:
A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out!
Absolutely SPOT ON!
Absolute nonsense more like.

Each of us has one vote that's all, and neither of the above two knows which way any of us voted.

Even if it were within the power of those commenting on here to 'vote them out', does it mean that there should not be any debate or comment in the four between elections ?

And if neither likes the idea of the democratic process being conducred through this forum, then there is a simple answer - one which I think ASR may have said to Bournemouth Council when being asked for some money back.
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneshortleg[/bold] wrote: A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out![/p][/quote]Absolutely SPOT ON![/p][/quote]Absolute nonsense more like. Each of us has one vote that's all, and neither of the above two knows which way any of us voted. Even if it were within the power of those commenting on here to 'vote them out', does it mean that there should not be any debate or comment in the four between elections ? And if neither likes the idea of the democratic process being conducred through this forum, then there is a simple answer - one which I think ASR may have said to Bournemouth Council when being asked for some money back. Bob49

9:10pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Glashen says...

Bob49 wrote:
rusty james wrote:
oneshortleg wrote:
A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out!
Absolutely SPOT ON!
Absolute nonsense more like.

Each of us has one vote that's all, and neither of the above two knows which way any of us voted.

Even if it were within the power of those commenting on here to 'vote them out', does it mean that there should not be any debate or comment in the four between elections ?

And if neither likes the idea of the democratic process being conducred through this forum, then there is a simple answer - one which I think ASR may have said to Bournemouth Council when being asked for some money back.
There is the question of who is in denial, Mark Smith saying that the reef is a success or the commentators on here who think he and the councilors who voted for the reef could actually be held to account.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneshortleg[/bold] wrote: A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out![/p][/quote]Absolutely SPOT ON![/p][/quote]Absolute nonsense more like. Each of us has one vote that's all, and neither of the above two knows which way any of us voted. Even if it were within the power of those commenting on here to 'vote them out', does it mean that there should not be any debate or comment in the four between elections ? And if neither likes the idea of the democratic process being conducred through this forum, then there is a simple answer - one which I think ASR may have said to Bournemouth Council when being asked for some money back.[/p][/quote]There is the question of who is in denial, Mark Smith saying that the reef is a success or the commentators on here who think he and the councilors who voted for the reef could actually be held to account. Glashen

4:19pm Wed 7 Nov 12

mikeymagic2 says...

rusty james wrote:
oneshortleg wrote:
A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out!
Absolutely SPOT ON!
I bet the same people moaning can't be bothered to walk to the polling station when given the chance to eject these clowns!
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneshortleg[/bold] wrote: A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out![/p][/quote]Absolutely SPOT ON![/p][/quote]I bet the same people moaning can't be bothered to walk to the polling station when given the chance to eject these clowns! mikeymagic2

5:33pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Kantsas says...

mikeymagic2 wrote:
rusty james wrote:
oneshortleg wrote:
A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out!
Absolutely SPOT ON!
I bet the same people moaning can't be bothered to walk to the polling station when given the chance to eject these clowns!
Your the fool to think your vote does anything to begin with
[quote][p][bold]mikeymagic2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneshortleg[/bold] wrote: A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out![/p][/quote]Absolutely SPOT ON![/p][/quote]I bet the same people moaning can't be bothered to walk to the polling station when given the chance to eject these clowns![/p][/quote]Your the fool to think your vote does anything to begin with Kantsas

7:56pm Wed 7 Nov 12

mikeymagic2 says...

Kantsas wrote:
mikeymagic2 wrote:
rusty james wrote:
oneshortleg wrote:
A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out!
Absolutely SPOT ON!
I bet the same people moaning can't be bothered to walk to the polling station when given the chance to eject these clowns!
Your the fool to think your vote does anything to begin with
At least I know it's you're and not your!
[quote][p][bold]Kantsas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeymagic2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneshortleg[/bold] wrote: A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out![/p][/quote]Absolutely SPOT ON![/p][/quote]I bet the same people moaning can't be bothered to walk to the polling station when given the chance to eject these clowns![/p][/quote]Your the fool to think your vote does anything to begin with[/p][/quote]At least I know it's you're and not your! mikeymagic2

8:12pm Wed 7 Nov 12

rusty james says...

Kantsas wrote:
mikeymagic2 wrote:
rusty james wrote:
oneshortleg wrote:
A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out!
Absolutely SPOT ON!
I bet the same people moaning can't be bothered to walk to the polling station when given the chance to eject these clowns!
Your the fool to think your vote does anything to begin with
Ahh yes, yes, you're quite right, Kantsas. Don't even bother attempting to change things. Far better to just roll over and keep on taking it, then **** to everyone without even needing to leave the sofa.
[quote][p][bold]Kantsas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeymagic2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneshortleg[/bold] wrote: A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out![/p][/quote]Absolutely SPOT ON![/p][/quote]I bet the same people moaning can't be bothered to walk to the polling station when given the chance to eject these clowns![/p][/quote]Your the fool to think your vote does anything to begin with[/p][/quote]Ahh yes, yes, you're quite right, Kantsas. Don't even bother attempting to change things. Far better to just roll over and keep on taking it, then **** to everyone without even needing to leave the sofa. rusty james

8:14pm Wed 7 Nov 12

rusty james says...

The word edited by the echo was a female dog, another term for 'moan'.
The word edited by the echo was a female dog, another term for 'moan'. rusty james

9:03pm Wed 7 Nov 12

oneshortleg says...

rusty james wrote:
The word edited by the echo was a female dog, another term for 'moan'.
Loving your style!!
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: The word edited by the echo was a female dog, another term for 'moan'.[/p][/quote]Loving your style!! oneshortleg

9:17pm Wed 7 Nov 12

oneshortleg says...

Bob49 wrote:
rusty james wrote:
oneshortleg wrote:
A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out!
Absolutely SPOT ON!
Absolute nonsense more like.

Each of us has one vote that's all, and neither of the above two knows which way any of us voted.

Even if it were within the power of those commenting on here to 'vote them out', does it mean that there should not be any debate or comment in the four between elections ?

And if neither likes the idea of the democratic process being conducred through this forum, then there is a simple answer - one which I think ASR may have said to Bournemouth Council when being asked for some money back.
What are you on about, my point is that the reason these idiotic decisions are made is because the council has long been a Conservative majority. Therefore any stupid waste of money ideas they want to put through go through. The problem is whilst most people moan, they don't do anything about it i.e VOTE!
If more people that moaned voted for other people then things may change some of these councillors have been there many years and for some it is less about what their constituents want and more about what they or their political party want!
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneshortleg[/bold] wrote: A nation of moaners and not of complainers springs to mind. The same cllrs that voted on this and the Imax keep getting voted in, don't moan about do something about it vote them out![/p][/quote]Absolutely SPOT ON![/p][/quote]Absolute nonsense more like. Each of us has one vote that's all, and neither of the above two knows which way any of us voted. Even if it were within the power of those commenting on here to 'vote them out', does it mean that there should not be any debate or comment in the four between elections ? And if neither likes the idea of the democratic process being conducred through this forum, then there is a simple answer - one which I think ASR may have said to Bournemouth Council when being asked for some money back.[/p][/quote]What are you on about, my point is that the reason these idiotic decisions are made is because the council has long been a Conservative majority. Therefore any stupid waste of money ideas they want to put through go through. The problem is whilst most people moan, they don't do anything about it i.e VOTE! If more people that moaned voted for other people then things may change some of these councillors have been there many years and for some it is less about what their constituents want and more about what they or their political party want! oneshortleg

9:25pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

"The problem is whilst most people moan, they don't do anything about it i.e VOTE!"



Absolute nonsense. Most people don't moan. If you take the surf reef and the Ice Rink most were wetting themselves in excitement at the spin being put out by the council.

A council who are elected by an enormous number who would vote for a 60 year old pig, as long as it carried a blue rossette.

Should the rest of us therefore do absolutely nothing, or simply wait in silence for the next four years until there's an election ?
"The problem is whilst most people moan, they don't do anything about it i.e VOTE!" Absolute nonsense. Most people don't moan. If you take the surf reef and the Ice Rink most were wetting themselves in excitement at the spin being put out by the council. A council who are elected by an enormous number who would vote for a 60 year old pig, as long as it carried a blue rossette. Should the rest of us therefore do absolutely nothing, or simply wait in silence for the next four years until there's an election ? Bob49

10:09am Thu 8 Nov 12

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...

£3million on the reef. 10 million on the Imax. Mouchel and audit scandals. Planning solutions and beesley scandal. Hmm.

Now we have 2.4 million for a coastal activity park where nothing physical will be built. Watch this money disappear over the next year or two with nothing to show except an exuberant front man. Only really helping keep a couple of sea front businesses from hitting the wall. Apparently a sweetner from central gov, to ease resistance to the wind farm, which is a national money laundering scheme to dispose of euro grants. See "Mafia wind farms" on Google. Chronyism and ineptitude on a grand scale. Well done Bournemouth council and the Beesley regeneration scam.
£3million on the reef. 10 million on the Imax. Mouchel and audit scandals. Planning solutions and beesley scandal. Hmm. Now we have 2.4 million for a coastal activity park where nothing physical will be built. Watch this money disappear over the next year or two with nothing to show except an exuberant front man. Only really helping keep a couple of sea front businesses from hitting the wall. Apparently a sweetner from central gov, to ease resistance to the wind farm, which is a national money laundering scheme to dispose of euro grants. See "Mafia wind farms" on Google. Chronyism and ineptitude on a grand scale. Well done Bournemouth council and the Beesley regeneration scam. Tom 'Boscombe' Jones

11:15am Thu 8 Nov 12

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Amazing that whilst Beasley has been in charge of the Councils finances £3m has been spent on a failed surf reef, £10m to buy and then simply demolish a prime seafront property, £150m contract signed with a failed outsourcing company.
.
Beasley is clearly on a mission to bankrupt Bournemouth and if the Council carry on wasting money on this scale he'll succeed.
.
The government can't keep giving handouts to councils in return for freezing council tax. When this scheme stops Bournemouth will have no option other than to significantly increase council tax. But perhaps thats what it will take to make people in Bournemouth wake up to the way Beasley has squandered £millions on projects which have been of no benefit to residents.
Watch what happens to our 19 million in reserves once beesley's loan scheme kicks in. The Bank of Beesley Old Boy's Bailout Fund.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Amazing that whilst Beasley has been in charge of the Councils finances £3m has been spent on a failed surf reef, £10m to buy and then simply demolish a prime seafront property, £150m contract signed with a failed outsourcing company. . Beasley is clearly on a mission to bankrupt Bournemouth and if the Council carry on wasting money on this scale he'll succeed. . The government can't keep giving handouts to councils in return for freezing council tax. When this scheme stops Bournemouth will have no option other than to significantly increase council tax. But perhaps thats what it will take to make people in Bournemouth wake up to the way Beasley has squandered £millions on projects which have been of no benefit to residents.[/p][/quote]Watch what happens to our 19 million in reserves once beesley's loan scheme kicks in. The Bank of Beesley Old Boy's Bailout Fund. Tom 'Boscombe' Jones

1:07pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Dorset Logic says...

Please add 'None of the above' to the council voting forms and the new police commissioner form.

Or alternatively say that there is some money buried under the reef, they can smell it for miles.
Please add 'None of the above' to the council voting forms and the new police commissioner form. Or alternatively say that there is some money buried under the reef, they can smell it for miles. Dorset Logic

1:08pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Dorset Logic says...

Please add 'None of the above' to the council voting forms and the new police commissioner form.

Or alternatively say that there is some money buried under the reef, they can smell it for miles.
Please add 'None of the above' to the council voting forms and the new police commissioner form. Or alternatively say that there is some money buried under the reef, they can smell it for miles. Dorset Logic

1:08pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Dorset Logic says...

3rd post for luck
3rd post for luck Dorset Logic

4:16pm Thu 8 Nov 12

bornINpoole69 says...

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones wrote:
£3million on the reef. 10 million on the Imax. Mouchel and audit scandals. Planning solutions and beesley scandal. Hmm. Now we have 2.4 million for a coastal activity park where nothing physical will be built. Watch this money disappear over the next year or two with nothing to show except an exuberant front man. Only really helping keep a couple of sea front businesses from hitting the wall. Apparently a sweetner from central gov, to ease resistance to the wind farm, which is a national money laundering scheme to dispose of euro grants. See "Mafia wind farms" on Google. Chronyism and ineptitude on a grand scale. Well done Bournemouth council and the Beesley regeneration scam.
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/earth/energy/
renewableenergy/7981
737/Mafia-cash-in-on
-lucrative-EU-wind-f
arm-handouts-especia
lly-in-Sicily.html is one of the articles on Mafia wind farms.
I am sure there will be nothing like that here!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Tom 'Boscombe' Jones[/bold] wrote: £3million on the reef. 10 million on the Imax. Mouchel and audit scandals. Planning solutions and beesley scandal. Hmm. Now we have 2.4 million for a coastal activity park where nothing physical will be built. Watch this money disappear over the next year or two with nothing to show except an exuberant front man. Only really helping keep a couple of sea front businesses from hitting the wall. Apparently a sweetner from central gov, to ease resistance to the wind farm, which is a national money laundering scheme to dispose of euro grants. See "Mafia wind farms" on Google. Chronyism and ineptitude on a grand scale. Well done Bournemouth council and the Beesley regeneration scam.[/p][/quote]http://www.telegraph .co.uk/earth/energy/ renewableenergy/7981 737/Mafia-cash-in-on -lucrative-EU-wind-f arm-handouts-especia lly-in-Sicily.html is one of the articles on Mafia wind farms. I am sure there will be nothing like that here!!!!!!!! bornINpoole69

7:42am Sat 10 Nov 12

Richard 1976 says...

Maybe merging the three councils into one isn't such a bad idea. Hmmm. Christpoolemouth city council? The only reason I suggest it is it means the crackpots running Bournemouth at present would hopefully get booted out. So many bad ideas that have actually got off the back of a beer mat and wasted millions of tax payers money. Money that could have done so much good washed straight out to sea.
Maybe merging the three councils into one isn't such a bad idea. Hmmm. Christpoolemouth city council? The only reason I suggest it is it means the crackpots running Bournemouth at present would hopefully get booted out. So many bad ideas that have actually got off the back of a beer mat and wasted millions of tax payers money. Money that could have done so much good washed straight out to sea. Richard 1976

11:01am Sat 10 Nov 12

MrPitiful says...

Bob49 wrote:
"The problem is whilst most people moan, they don't do anything about it i.e VOTE!"



Absolute nonsense. Most people don't moan. If you take the surf reef and the Ice Rink most were wetting themselves in excitement at the spin being put out by the council.

A council who are elected by an enormous number who would vote for a 60 year old pig, as long as it carried a blue rossette.

Should the rest of us therefore do absolutely nothing, or simply wait in silence for the next four years until there's an election ?
Bob49 - read this post again & comment on it without taking the script out of context - something you really need to learn to do if you want people to start taking your contributions in these threads seriously - oh wise one!

They are not saying most people moan. They are saying most of the people who moan don't vote - 2 entirely different comments, the first of which you have chosen to jump on with your usual unsubstantiated, uninformed and unnecessary aggressiveness.

It is reasonable to state that a lot of people - especially some who comment ( or moan!) on here do so but at the same time, by their own admittance, don't use their vote.

It is also reasonable to say that a lot of those who do the nit-picking, council-bashing etc do vote, however they keep voting in the same council over and over again - just because in true blue/yellow "upper-middle" class Bournemouth, it's what they feel "safe" doing on polling day.

To answer your earlier question - you can vote against this ( oh unwise one! ) by turning off your PC, turning up at your local polling station on election day and putting an 'X' ( some folk call it a cross?) next to the candidate you feel most worthy of being your political representative, based on their policies. Policies which you will have read in full and which you feel are in the best interests of you, your family and on a wider scale, your local community. If the person you choose to vote for on this basis is not representing the political party you feel "safe" voting for then don't worry - it is the beauty of democracy and it doesn't hurt.

You can cut that up, misquote it and spin it out of context all you wish now - go for your life.

One last thing Bob - with your apparent inside family connections at the council, I thought you might be able to elaborate on this article and tell us more about the council's other plans for the reef which are not being reported on here.
Go on - spill the beans!!
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "The problem is whilst most people moan, they don't do anything about it i.e VOTE!" Absolute nonsense. Most people don't moan. If you take the surf reef and the Ice Rink most were wetting themselves in excitement at the spin being put out by the council. A council who are elected by an enormous number who would vote for a 60 year old pig, as long as it carried a blue rossette. Should the rest of us therefore do absolutely nothing, or simply wait in silence for the next four years until there's an election ?[/p][/quote]Bob49 - read this post again & comment on it without taking the script out of context - something you really need to learn to do if you want people to start taking your contributions in these threads seriously - oh wise one! They are not saying most people moan. They are saying most of the people who moan don't vote - 2 entirely different comments, the first of which you have chosen to jump on with your usual unsubstantiated, uninformed and unnecessary aggressiveness. It is reasonable to state that a lot of people - especially some who comment ( or moan!) on here do so but at the same time, by their own admittance, don't use their vote. It is also reasonable to say that a lot of those who do the nit-picking, council-bashing etc do vote, however they keep voting in the same council over and over again - just because in true blue/yellow "upper-middle" class Bournemouth, it's what they feel "safe" doing on polling day. To answer your earlier question - you can vote against this ( oh unwise one! ) by turning off your PC, turning up at your local polling station on election day and putting an 'X' ( some folk call it a cross?) next to the candidate you feel most worthy of being your political representative, based on their policies. Policies which you will have read in full and which you feel are in the best interests of you, your family and on a wider scale, your local community. If the person you choose to vote for on this basis is not representing the political party you feel "safe" voting for then don't worry - it is the beauty of democracy and it doesn't hurt. You can cut that up, misquote it and spin it out of context all you wish now - go for your life. One last thing Bob - with your apparent inside family connections at the council, I thought you might be able to elaborate on this article and tell us more about the council's other plans for the reef which are not being reported on here. Go on - spill the beans!! MrPitiful

6:27pm Sat 10 Nov 12

jaguarsport says...

Coastal Activity Park! - surely it should be Coastal Reef Activity Park (CRAP)?
Coastal Activity Park! - surely it should be Coastal Reef Activity Park (CRAP)? jaguarsport

2:40am Sun 11 Nov 12

Meeshy says...

Where has that other idiot gone (forgot his name) whom is always spamming on here? The over 70 guy who tries to play politician? What happened?
Where has that other idiot gone (forgot his name) whom is always spamming on here? The over 70 guy who tries to play politician? What happened? Meeshy

2:57am Sun 11 Nov 12

Meeshy says...

Ahh, I remember, Woody, Wouldy or Woolly or something? Was that it? Anyone know? I miss his comments. Does anyone know if he was actually serious or was it just a comical joke? Maybe a spoof put on by the Echo. Funny either way. Best comic I've seen for years. At first I was also taken in and actually took him seriously! LOL!
Ahh, I remember, Woody, Wouldy or Woolly or something? Was that it? Anyone know? I miss his comments. Does anyone know if he was actually serious or was it just a comical joke? Maybe a spoof put on by the Echo. Funny either way. Best comic I've seen for years. At first I was also taken in and actually took him seriously! LOL! Meeshy

6:55am Sun 11 Nov 12

K5054 says...

Since the NZ Reef never really did work why was it an example?
The N.Z. Wave
The waves produced by the reef were very short, sharp and at times spooky. The reef only broke with the larger set waves and featured long lulls between waves. Peaks built gradually and peaked over the reef often jumping at the last moment. Occasional double-ups produced some weird and spooky looking lumps of water, which added to the entertainment value for onlookers at Tay Street.(onlookers ,not surfers)

The wave featured a late drop, which transformed into a gaping pit and fast wall through to a fat wall/fadeout near the end. Estimated length of ride was around 20-40m.
“The reef was never designed to function as a single left-hand break. Once we have the whole delta shape in place the reef will offer a far wider window for multiple swell directions allowing certain swells to peel around either way. At the moment swells with a lot of east tend to slam head on into the left-hander rather than peeling down the bags”, says David Neilson.
Since the NZ Reef never really did work why was it an example? The N.Z. Wave The waves produced by the reef were very short, sharp and at times spooky. The reef only broke with the larger set waves and featured long lulls between waves. Peaks built gradually and peaked over the reef often jumping at the last moment. Occasional double-ups produced some weird and spooky looking lumps of water, which added to the entertainment value for onlookers at Tay Street.(onlookers ,not surfers) The wave featured a late drop, which transformed into a gaping pit and fast wall through to a fat wall/fadeout near the end. Estimated length of ride was around 20-40m. “The reef was never designed to function as a single left-hand break. Once we have the whole delta shape in place the reef will offer a far wider window for multiple swell directions allowing certain swells to peel around either way. At the moment swells with a lot of east tend to slam head on into the left-hander rather than peeling down the bags”, says David Neilson. K5054

10:08am Sun 11 Nov 12

MrPitiful says...

K5054 wrote:
Since the NZ Reef never really did work why was it an example?
The N.Z. Wave
The waves produced by the reef were very short, sharp and at times spooky. The reef only broke with the larger set waves and featured long lulls between waves. Peaks built gradually and peaked over the reef often jumping at the last moment. Occasional double-ups produced some weird and spooky looking lumps of water, which added to the entertainment value for onlookers at Tay Street.(onlookers ,not surfers)

The wave featured a late drop, which transformed into a gaping pit and fast wall through to a fat wall/fadeout near the end. Estimated length of ride was around 20-40m.
“The reef was never designed to function as a single left-hand break. Once we have the whole delta shape in place the reef will offer a far wider window for multiple swell directions allowing certain swells to peel around either way. At the moment swells with a lot of east tend to slam head on into the left-hander rather than peeling down the bags”, says David Neilson.
Some good points & questions raised but you won't get the answers or any reasoned response here.

The reason is your post is far too technical & full of relevance for the codgers who post here - the vast majority of which are only interested in council-bashing, moaning & harping on about the "good old days".

It's most entertaining watching them driving each other to near coronaries in their bath-chairs!

Back on topic. as I remember, ASR used the NZ wave as one of many examples, not just the only example. I'm not using this as a defence of them in any way - some of the local more knowledgeable folk questioned the use of these examples at the time in a "feasability versus sales pitch" type argument.
[quote][p][bold]K5054[/bold] wrote: Since the NZ Reef never really did work why was it an example? The N.Z. Wave The waves produced by the reef were very short, sharp and at times spooky. The reef only broke with the larger set waves and featured long lulls between waves. Peaks built gradually and peaked over the reef often jumping at the last moment. Occasional double-ups produced some weird and spooky looking lumps of water, which added to the entertainment value for onlookers at Tay Street.(onlookers ,not surfers) The wave featured a late drop, which transformed into a gaping pit and fast wall through to a fat wall/fadeout near the end. Estimated length of ride was around 20-40m. “The reef was never designed to function as a single left-hand break. Once we have the whole delta shape in place the reef will offer a far wider window for multiple swell directions allowing certain swells to peel around either way. At the moment swells with a lot of east tend to slam head on into the left-hander rather than peeling down the bags”, says David Neilson.[/p][/quote]Some good points & questions raised but you won't get the answers or any reasoned response here. The reason is your post is far too technical & full of relevance for the codgers who post here - the vast majority of which are only interested in council-bashing, moaning & harping on about the "good old days". It's most entertaining watching them driving each other to near coronaries in their bath-chairs! Back on topic. as I remember, ASR used the NZ wave as one of many examples, not just the only example. I'm not using this as a defence of them in any way - some of the local more knowledgeable folk questioned the use of these examples at the time in a "feasability versus sales pitch" type argument. MrPitiful

1:17pm Sun 11 Nov 12

pestremoverltd says...

Bournemouth Council are fantastic in their approach. This was a viable, vibrant and great for locals and tourists alike. They took a small gamble, it paid off for periods. I hope they continue with this project and perhaps employ some locals to look at repairs and updates themselves. I personally think this has been a "start" to a very successful attraction. Just some things have to be seen all the way through.
Bournemouth Council are fantastic in their approach. This was a viable, vibrant and great for locals and tourists alike. They took a small gamble, it paid off for periods. I hope they continue with this project and perhaps employ some locals to look at repairs and updates themselves. I personally think this has been a "start" to a very successful attraction. Just some things have to be seen all the way through. pestremoverltd

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