PCC candidate: I'll end Bournemouth's binge drinking culture

Martyn Underhill Martyn Underhill

A FORMER Metropolitan police officer who wants to become Dorset’s first Police and Crime Commissioner says he plans to end Bournemouth’s binge drinking culture.

Martyn Underhill, who is running as an Independent candidate in the upcoming election, said: “I’m hoping to limit the amount of licensed premises and work with the council to reduce the amount of binge drinking and the Stag and Hen culture in Bournemouth.

“That’s what people want – I have an open survey on my website and everybody is saying that’s the priority.

“It’s one of my priorities.

“It would be working with all the agencies. One of the things I want to do is work with agencies including Bournemouth council to look at the way we licence these.” Read more about Martyn's plan on his blog

But his three opponents in the election said it was an overreaction.

Bournemouth Borough Council said it could not comment on candidate pledges under election rules, but Cllr David Smith, portfolio holder for the night-time economy, said the authority was doing “everything within the law” to reduce anti-social behaviour in the town, including shutting a handful of nuisance premises.

The election is on November 15.

What the other candidates say

Andy Canning, Liberal Democrat candidate, said: “He’s overreacting. The nightclub and hotels sector of Bournemouth is a very important of the tourist economy, it brings in a lot of revenue.

“There’s more than enough legislation out there and controls out there to stop pubs and clubs that are really causing a problem.”

Nick King, Conservative candidate, warned against simply closing premises, saying: “Closing establishments isn’t in the gift of the PCC, nor is it the answer. The PCC can encourage further cooperation between the police and council to change the late night drinking culture causing the problem.”

Labour candidate and former prison governor Rachel Rogers said Weymouth was also a popular destination for stag and hen parties, adding: “I think the role of the PCC is to work effectively with police and community safety organisations to ensure premises are properly licensed, monitored and managed.”

All four candidates will be blogging for the Daily Echo in the run-up to the election. Read the blogs and a profile of each candidate, plus links to their websites and their campaign leaflets at bournemouthecho.co.uk/pcc.

Comments(114)

Huey says...
8:33am Tue 30 Oct 12

Yeah, good luck with that.

Bmth 65 says...
8:42am Tue 30 Oct 12

What we need Commissioner, is Batman !

simcal says...
8:43am Tue 30 Oct 12

The man is in cloud cuckoo land. He does not have the powers, nor should he. Has he read the job description?

Redgolfer00 says...
8:46am Tue 30 Oct 12

Mr. Underhill, in my opinion you are an idiot and I will not be voting for you, oh by the way who are the two people paying for you to contest this election, or are you afraid to state who they are, ask all the students who bring lots of money to this town what they think of your suggestions and is it all of one comment on your blog agreeing with you.

penhale says...
8:47am Tue 30 Oct 12

Just like members of parliment before elections, promise everything and deliver nothing.

sollie says...
8:48am Tue 30 Oct 12

This guy is getting a lot of lead publicity from the Echo. Why haven't we had more lead stories from the other candidates?

Afcb4life says...
9:16am Tue 30 Oct 12

I think he been drinking when giving this interview

politicaltrainspotter says...
9:25am Tue 30 Oct 12

Pantomine season does seem to get earlier each year.

Old Colonial says...
9:30am Tue 30 Oct 12

sollie wrote:
This guy is getting a lot of lead publicity from the Echo. Why haven't we had more lead stories from the other candidates?
For the opinions of the other candidates just read the outcomes of their latest Party Conferences.

Note that no individual financial supporter of theirs has to be declared. The money is hidden in the Party pot.

BmthNewshound says...
9:43am Tue 30 Oct 12

sollie wrote:
This guy is getting a lot of lead publicity from the Echo. Why haven't we had more lead stories from the other candidates?
How can you trust a man to run the police when he refuses to name who is funding his campaign ? As far as I'm concerned he's shown himself to be someone who lacks integrity. What has he got to hide ?
.
He won't win so his opinion on binge drinking or anything else for that matter is simply that, his opinion.

Humf says...
9:45am Tue 30 Oct 12

What a load of ! Even if i could be bothered to vote in this ridiculous, badly-managed election, I wouldn't just for this blatent attempt at winning votes.

I'd be more inclined to vote for the other candidates who point out that there is legislation there already and that the PCC will have no power and can only advise, you cannot state that you'll end something with no power to do so.

And Sollie makes a good point, this chap is getting an awful lot of Echo-space.

Presstostop says...
9:50am Tue 30 Oct 12

Is the Echo funding this mans campaign?

Your reporter in spain says...
9:52am Tue 30 Oct 12

underhill - i think more like underdog , if you are trying to kill off bournemouths nightlife i am afraid you are dead in the water ,many of us rely on this trade and you have just shot yourself in the foot , youre an idiot . get rid of the cheap drink suppliers that have sprung up everywhere and have some proper off licences , where is the need for places like california chicken to deliver drink to houses where the recipient could be any age the law is being flouted but you are targetting the wrong places for a solution , you wont be getting my vote . thats for sure

In Absentia says...
9:53am Tue 30 Oct 12

I really dislike these silly slogans that are good for cheap headlines in the Echo, but in reality will never be addressed.

Binge drinking, or whatever you want to call it, has been ingrained in British culture for centuries and will not be altered by promises to close various establishments. It needs a programme of educating the public that will take many years and that most Governments will skirt around to avoid alienating big business.

Aside from Mr Underhill, the other candidates are party stooges and I was hoping that the Police would become less politicised in time, but this will just make it worse. As many commentators predicted, the overall standard of candidates is pretty poor.

tricky1007 says...
10:19am Tue 30 Oct 12

Redgolfer00 wrote:
Mr. Underhill, in my opinion you are an idiot and I will not be voting for you, oh by the way who are the two people paying for you to contest this election, or are you afraid to state who they are, ask all the students who bring lots of money to this town what they think of your suggestions and is it all of one comment on your blog agreeing with you.
why do people think students bring money to the town, as a former bar manager i can have 1 working adult who will spend as much as 10 students will on a night out. And the reason no one drinks in town apart from students during the week is because its full of students!!

pete woodley says...
10:26am Tue 30 Oct 12

So many pubs have students just sitting there,chatting but NOT drinking,Tricky is right.Its also a fact a lot do not want to use a bar packed with non drinking students,sorry redgolfer i disagree with you there,but only about students.

Lord Spring says...
10:30am Tue 30 Oct 12

Well there goes my binge night out of 4 pints best bitter.
Have made a decision, playing safe and voting for all four cantidates.

gary1975 says...
10:35am Tue 30 Oct 12

I like binge drinking. I wasn't going to vote as I don't feel we need another layer of expensive politicized bureaucracy in our police but now I will vote for one of the other candidates! I do feel we have too many pubs and clubs in bournemouth though. Even on a sat night they aren't any where near as busy as they used to be. If we had less premises they would fill out a bit more and be more of an attraction for the town. Whilst we are here the gov should cut the criminally high tax burden they put on alcohol. Year by year the cost goes up, we are near the stage when only the rich can afford going out for a drink. Time for revolution!!!!

muscliffman says...
10:42am Tue 30 Oct 12

Not interested - and neither I suspect is anyone else until Underhill tells us who his financial backers are.

pete woodley says...
10:50am Tue 30 Oct 12

Does it really matter.

Square Old Codger says...
11:12am Tue 30 Oct 12

There are a lot of vested interests, a lot of money and jobs involved here, nor does he have the powers. The job is a total waste of money - better spent keeping Police Officers on the beat. I am fed up with American ideas being recycled here. We don't need or want PCC's I wont vote for any of them.

Square Old Codger says...
11:12am Tue 30 Oct 12

There are a lot of vested interests, a lot of money and jobs involved here, nor does he have the powers. The job is a total waste of money - better spent keeping Police Officers on the beat. I am fed up with American ideas being recycled here. We don't need or want PCC's I wont vote for any of them.

Square Old Codger says...
11:12am Tue 30 Oct 12

There are a lot of vested interests, a lot of money and jobs involved here, nor does he have the powers. The job is a total waste of money - better spent keeping Police Officers on the beat. I am fed up with American ideas being recycled here. We don't need or want PCC's I wont vote for any of them.

atha says...
11:15am Tue 30 Oct 12

With regards to 'students sat in bars not drinking'. I have an answer.
Get them binge drinking!

doncollier says...
11:21am Tue 30 Oct 12

The comments by him on his blog are a gift to any barrister defending the licensed premises and should he be elected they are likely to be a millstone round the neck of Dorset Police in the great work they do with Bournemouth Council trying to keep the nightclub culture under control. They are likely to cost the people of Dorset Thousands in legal costs!

What is happening in Bournemouth has happened all over the country since Labour introduced licensing act 2003. It will take Government legislation to fix it not a PCC.

He appears to be worst of politicians promising to fix things totally outside of his remit and control to get the support.

John T says...
11:32am Tue 30 Oct 12

muscliffman wrote:
Not interested - and neither I suspect is anyone else until Underhill tells us who his financial backers are.
One thing is sure, one of his backers will not be one of the leading lights of the night-time binge drinking culture, NickKing, who also will not be telling us who his prime financial backers are.
Mind you, as over 90% of NickKing's declared donations come from himself and North and Mid- Dorset Conservative Associations, it should not be too difficult to work out where his economic and geographic priorities lie.

John T says...
11:41am Tue 30 Oct 12

doncollier wrote:
The comments by him on his blog are a gift to any barrister defending the licensed premises and should he be elected they are likely to be a millstone round the neck of Dorset Police in the great work they do with Bournemouth Council trying to keep the nightclub culture under control. They are likely to cost the people of Dorset Thousands in legal costs!

What is happening in Bournemouth has happened all over the country since Labour introduced licensing act 2003. It will take Government legislation to fix it not a PCC.

He appears to be worst of politicians promising to fix things totally outside of his remit and control to get the support.
Thank you ex- Councillor Collier for your contribution. Perhaps you could also get your former Conservative colleague, Stephen MacLoughlan to come on here and give us his informed knowledge on the spread of **** which has already cost Bournemouth Council Taxpayers dear, not least in legal costs.

pete woodley says...
11:44am Tue 30 Oct 12

Has anyone noticed the constant digs at Nick King coming from JohnT,nothing intelligent just personal digs,and the Echo allowing them,makes you wonder if the comments about the Echo backing Underhill are right.Constant personal abuse,from a lib dem,shows the type of campaign they prefer.COME ON ECHO BE FAIR.Stop the personal snipes.

MikeFrench says...
11:55am Tue 30 Oct 12

I bet he has a nice wine cellar.

PokesdownMark says...
11:57am Tue 30 Oct 12

Making policy based on popular opinion is rarely a good idea. Pitchfork politics!

There will be pressure on the successful candidate to be seen to be quickly doing something. Anything. The best candidate will be the person who can resists this pressure.

refman says...
12:05pm Tue 30 Oct 12

it is nice to know who is actually a candidate for this NON role as nothing has come through the post to date!! like most political applicants in this country high wages for low input. I for one would vote every time if they added just 1 tick box to the bottom of the ballot sheet stating NONE of the above then we would see the majority not minority at all UK elections

HRH of Boscombe says...
12:11pm Tue 30 Oct 12

simcal wrote:
The man is in cloud cuckoo land. He does not have the powers, nor should he. Has he read the job description?
Just false promises to win votes. He shouldn't get any for being so misleading not to mention short sighted. Where does he think Bmths winter time economy is?

Tripod says...
12:25pm Tue 30 Oct 12

This is what worries me about the post of Police & Crime Commissioner, we're going to end-up with Police effort concentrated in one area (where His/Her backers have an interest) while the rest of the county gets largely ignored.

muscliffman says...
12:29pm Tue 30 Oct 12

John T wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Not interested - and neither I suspect is anyone else until Underhill tells us who his financial backers are.
One thing is sure, one of his backers will not be one of the leading lights of the night-time binge drinking culture, NickKing, who also will not be telling us who his prime financial backers are.
Mind you, as over 90% of NickKing's declared donations come from himself and North and Mid- Dorset Conservative Associations, it should not be too difficult to work out where his economic and geographic priorities lie.
Maybe Underhill's backers do not include anyone involved in the nightlife and it's binge drinking culture.
But it is being suggested that his backer may be someone very much involved in the sort of rented premises popular with a lot of these 'nightlife' people.

aerolover says...
12:34pm Tue 30 Oct 12

As for students only sitting talking and not buying drinks is because they have had a belly full of supermarket cheap booze before they go out.

THawkes says...
12:46pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Does he really want to turn Bournemouth in to another Eastbourne!!

wonderway says...
12:50pm Tue 30 Oct 12

i am adding micky mouse to my ballot form he has better manifesto and better chances of getting thing right

ekimnoslen says...
12:56pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Your reporter in spain wrote:
underhill - i think more like underdog , if you are trying to kill off bournemouths nightlife i am afraid you are dead in the water ,many of us rely on this trade and you have just shot yourself in the foot , youre an idiot . get rid of the cheap drink suppliers that have sprung up everywhere and have some proper off licences , where is the need for places like california chicken to deliver drink to houses where the recipient could be any age the law is being flouted but you are targetting the wrong places for a solution , you wont be getting my vote . thats for sure
Is there a law against abuse of the English language and cruelty to punctuation?

politicaltrainspotter says...
12:59pm Tue 30 Oct 12

So when was Mr Underhill, issued with a magic wand?. He obviously read the Police Reform and Social Responsibilty act in which one major target is Licencing.So with the consultation of Emro's and LNL to reform the Licencing act ,2003, there is nothing new here

ekimnoslen says...
12:59pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Don't vote for this guy. If he cleans up Bournemouth the drunks may descend on my town. Keep 'em in Bournemouth I say!

Lew Swimmin says...
1:13pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Anyone who thinks that they can stop people binge drinking by issuing a personal decree clearly does not have sufficient brain power or enough grasp of reality to be a Police Commissioner.

look at that nose says...
1:18pm Tue 30 Oct 12

I do like Bournemouth especially the students the all night partying the clubs loud music every thing about it I don't dislike punch-up's
just one thing though I don't like,

I have considered having a second home in the best part of town,

What puts me off the place is thousands of elderly folks
don't like em.

If he wants my vote
he will have to ban them.

kingstonpaul says...
1:52pm Tue 30 Oct 12

The supermarkets are the worst culprits when it comes to fuelling the so-called binge drinking problem.
Does he have the balls to ban Tesco, Sainsbury and Asda selling vodka at five quid a bottle to under-15s?
Don't hold your breath.

look at that nose says...
2:12pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Lew Swimmin wrote:
Anyone who thinks that they can stop people binge drinking by issuing a personal decree clearly does not have sufficient brain power or enough grasp of reality to be a Police Commissioner.
Perhaps his brain is only his second favourite organ.

live-and-let-live says...
2:12pm Tue 30 Oct 12

huh? who does he think he is to close pubs and bars? i dont like binge eating. will he close macdonalds please?

boyerboy says...
3:33pm Tue 30 Oct 12

It is very worrying that we will end up with one of these as a PCC... the County neither wants/needs/can afford this form of indulgent management, none of them seem to understand the role in the police structure..hate to say this but cannot wait for Labour to abolich the role.

FrDarryl says...
3:59pm Tue 30 Oct 12

So exactly when does he propose initiating a referendum to devolve the Bournemouth Local Authority before seeking acquisition by another sovereign state - like France, Germany, Italy, even the USA - whose citizens as a rule are not accustomed to chronic alcohol-induced public disorder?

Wouldn't that necessarily entail banning that ubiquitous ingredient of any proper Sunday roast: 'rosbif', the French term for the English since Mediaeval times?

Ending binge drinking, assault and battery, swearing in public, and other antisocial behaviour anywhere in Britain can only be achieved by declaring martial law. You might as well tell people they ought to go to Mass every Sunday.

hadvar says...
4:13pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Bmth 65 wrote:
What we need Commissioner, is Batman !
I'm bitterly disappointed that none of the candidates is called Gordon. I hope the very first thing the winning candidate does, is install a red, flashing phone in their office, that they keep beneath a glass cover.

Dorset Logic says...
4:14pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Do the Mason's come down on the side of fairness and democracy or is it vested business interests - I can't remember

EGHH says...
4:25pm Tue 30 Oct 12

The man's a fool. One good reason NOT to vote for him.

P Barker says...
4:43pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Is it true that if he fails to end the binge drinking, he will donate his £100,000 year wage to charity ?. No ? - didnt think so.

Fred Kite says...
5:07pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Put Bournemouth back in Hampshire problem solved

pete woodley says...
5:14pm Tue 30 Oct 12

look at that nose wrote:
I do like Bournemouth especially the students the all night partying the clubs loud music every thing about it I don't dislike punch-up's
just one thing though I don't like,

I have considered having a second home in the best part of town,

What puts me off the place is thousands of elderly folks
don't like em.

If he wants my vote
he will have to ban them.
If you like punchups,how come you dont give your real name,afraid an oldie might thump you.

street warrior says...
5:23pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Great were returning to Charles Dickens times? Whats he going to do about the night shelter where all the homeless hang around and drink, deal & take drugs?

pete woodley says...
5:40pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Obviously the ideal place to do business.Someone must be making money there.

scoooobles says...
5:45pm Tue 30 Oct 12

look at that nose wrote:
I do like Bournemouth especially the students the all night partying the clubs loud music every thing about it I don't dislike punch-up's just one thing though I don't like, I have considered having a second home in the best part of town, What puts me off the place is thousands of elderly folks don't like em. If he wants my vote he will have to ban them.
Your posts might be funnier if you wrote them out properly.
Otherwise it's just confusing.

pete woodley says...
5:51pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Scoooobles,dont encourage him/her,the comments are about as funny as a Lib/Dem political broadcast.

MrPitiful says...
5:58pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Agree with him or not - this is a clever piece of campaigning.

His comments - or "pledges" - will turn the ears & heads of a certain type. And we all know what type.

The type who have for many years kept our local useless Tory councillors in power, mainly by being scared too change their vote to anyone else.

The type who then come on forums like this and complain when said councillors make botched decisions.

This type are afraid of any progress and instead they want Bournemouth to return to a "Golden Era" of bus stations, ice cream shops and family attractions - although woe betide the owners & planners if any of them fail. ( IMAX anyone?)

This very same type also want no nightlife in the town. Despite the fact that thousands enjoy themselves every
week without incident, the few bad incidents that get reported locally are enough to convince them that measures like those mentioned are such a priority.

It's a pity they don't switch off their computers, stop twitching their curtains and get into town and witness things for themselves.

Thankfully, it's looking doubtful this candidate will get anywhere near success.

look at that nose says...
6:29pm Tue 30 Oct 12

This old geezer in the pub sits in his wheelchair with about .5 of a millimeter of beer in the bottom of the glass
hoping someone like me will feel a shame for him but i never get one in for him
I think*****him let him get a job and buy his own beverages

look at that nose says...
6:32pm Tue 30 Oct 12

pete woodley wrote:
look at that nose wrote:
I do like Bournemouth especially the students the all night partying the clubs loud music every thing about it I don't dislike punch-up's
just one thing though I don't like,

I have considered having a second home in the best part of town,

What puts me off the place is thousands of elderly folks
don't like em.

If he wants my vote
he will have to ban them.
If you like punchups,how come you dont give your real name,afraid an oldie might thump you.
Yep thats right chick.

Neil's off to France says...
6:57pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Out of your jurisdiction,out of you job description,out of your mind!

Once a copper and all that, I think you have more chance of a return on the bank rolling you have, by placing it on no.9 at Nottingham Wednesday! (name says it all!)

I have just taken a straw poll in the Gentleman's club I am in at the moment and 48 out of 48 think you are a pr!ck for your latest item on your sad agenda.

No hope of getting your nose back in the trough ere in sleepy Dorzet.

pete woodley says...
7:06pm Tue 30 Oct 12

look at that nose wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
look at that nose wrote:
I do like Bournemouth especially the students the all night partying the clubs loud music every thing about it I don't dislike punch-up's
just one thing though I don't like,

I have considered having a second home in the best part of town,

What puts me off the place is thousands of elderly folks
don't like em.

If he wants my vote
he will have to ban them.
If you like punchups,how come you dont give your real name,afraid an oldie might thump you.
Yep thats right chick.
thought so,no good me offering is there.whats your views on the big issue sellers then.

boscombewizard says...
8:23pm Tue 30 Oct 12

The laws are there. It is illegal to serve a drunk person alcohol. Not sure how many prosecutions there have been.

Bournemouth town centre is horrible at night on Fridays and Saturdays. A drunken play park. People incapable. Roads closed to ensure people don't get run over. The town tolerates his kind of behaviour because of the money it brings. I have no problem with pubs or drinking, but excessive drinking, assaults and violence is a nasty cocktail. The negative, inane and cynical comments are easy to make. Easy to criticise but much harder to step forward and make a positive contribution. I don't know Martyn but I like the fact that he is making his views clear. If you have problems with what he says why not contact him and discuss it?

Upkeep says...
8:24pm Tue 30 Oct 12

I will be too **** to vote.

Linguist says...
8:45pm Tue 30 Oct 12

tricky1007 wrote:
Redgolfer00 wrote:
Mr. Underhill, in my opinion you are an idiot and I will not be voting for you, oh by the way who are the two people paying for you to contest this election, or are you afraid to state who they are, ask all the students who bring lots of money to this town what they think of your suggestions and is it all of one comment on your blog agreeing with you.
why do people think students bring money to the town, as a former bar manager i can have 1 working adult who will spend as much as 10 students will on a night out. And the reason no one drinks in town apart from students during the week is because its full of students!!
The students don't usually go out in the week until after 11p.m. tricky. If you were to go around the town at 9p.m. you'd find most of the pubs and restaurants EMPTY!!!

Linguist says...
9:00pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Are people also aware of what Mr Underhill alleges in his blog re Bournemouths hotels and their vicinity to brothels?
It can be found here ---> http://www.keeppolit
icsoutofpolicing.co.
uk/police-and-crime-
commissioner-the-sta
g-and-hen-culture-2/

As someone who works in the night time economy, i find his words quite appalling when he alleges that brothels are located near most of the hotels. Is he trying to kill the tourism trade off altogether?

pete woodley says...
9:58pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Upkeep wrote:
I will be too **** to vote.
The word is ****** not ****.

GAHmusic says...
10:03pm Tue 30 Oct 12

I'd vote for Boss Hogg, he knows how to control the police and the alcohol trade.

janeorm says...
11:40pm Tue 30 Oct 12

i wonder how many of the 68 people who had just commented on this article are the first to complain when anti social behavior comes knocking on there door,,
Have any of you actually met Mr Underhill,, Have any of you requested to met Him and made these comments to him,, or is it so much easier to sit at your computer and just write,
how much better would our towns be if all you embraced the idea of trying to do something, instead of sitting there and doing nothing,, At least Mr Under hill has a plan and vision for a better town, I don't see any of the other candidates with one,, or maybe there just hoping to walk into the role and make it up as they go along,,
Hopefully there are enough people who will vote for Mr Underhill and he wont need the votes of narrow minded people,
But please remember if u don't vote then don't complain when nothing gets done,

MrPitiful says...
12:24am Wed 31 Oct 12

janeorm wrote:
i wonder how many of the 68 people who had just commented on this article are the first to complain when anti social behavior comes knocking on there door,,
Have any of you actually met Mr Underhill,, Have any of you requested to met Him and made these comments to him,, or is it so much easier to sit at your computer and just write,
how much better would our towns be if all you embraced the idea of trying to do something, instead of sitting there and doing nothing,, At least Mr Under hill has a plan and vision for a better town, I don't see any of the other candidates with one,, or maybe there just hoping to walk into the role and make it up as they go along,,
Hopefully there are enough people who will vote for Mr Underhill and he wont need the votes of narrow minded people,
But please remember if u don't vote then don't complain when nothing gets done,
I've never met the guy but I have filled out his survey & left comments as invited to do so on his blog/website. I also left my details for him to contact me on if he would like to discuss my opinions further.

That was last week. I haven't heard anything.

Liz Lc says...
12:26am Wed 31 Oct 12

I for one have to say that having listened too and spoken to 3 out of the 4 candidates, 1 doesn't 'know' what they are going to do and the other one clearly wants the job on the cv, Mr Underhill was the only candidate willing to actually change and work in the community and in the voluntary sector.Why is he being attacked all the time...its disgraceful..As people have a lot to say about MR Underhill, lets hope they don't have a lot to say when they don't vote and the end result is not what they want..How many of you with your opinions,have met with or spoken to the candidates? and as for the people saying they know nothing about them, its not their fault that the advertising has been poor, a lot of people don't even know about this new role.Dorset is a big area to cover.I was always taught that if you had nothing nice to say about someone, then keep your mouth shut!

janeorm says...
12:37am Wed 31 Oct 12

Mr Pitiful,, as one might imagine I dare say Mr Underhill is busy with his vigorous campaign,, there is however still time for him to get in touch,
hopefully by meeting him as i have you will discover that he talks with great passion for the upcoming role of PCC, and from meeting i have had with the 2 of the other 3 candidates he gets my vote,i like what he stands for, i like his vision for change, i like his honesty,, unlike 1 candidatte who bluffed his way through the met and greet yesterday

manyogie says...
6:12am Wed 31 Oct 12

None of these candidates say what the majority of residents really want, that is a return to proper policing, where the police dont have their hands tied by layers of restrictions imposed over the last 8 years, where a copper can do his, or her, job, without worrying that they may have upset someone's `human rights` even though they are acting like a non human.
Where an offender is dealt with swiftly and even handedly, not showed leniency because they are `upset` or `pre depressed` or sentenced according to the whim of the Judge of the day!
Instead, the wages that would support an additional 3 coppers is being spent on yet another level of control in an already over restricted environment.
But that won't be settled on a local level, that needs everyone to petition and demand it from their own MP.

Oldalbanian says...
7:30am Wed 31 Oct 12

I emailed Mr Underhill asking him to comment on the alleged donation from Dave Wells and if correct why he is accepting a donation from a convicted criminal - no reply so far!

pete woodley says...
9:50am Wed 31 Oct 12

Are you squeaky clean.has dave wells ever hurt you,have you never heard of spent convictions.are you the one who reported Martyn.what about the people you mix with,do you know if they have any previous,i doubt it.I am NOT surprised that Martyn never replied to you.Bringing up someones past,is sinking low and i doubt whether other candidates would reply,to such a nasty request.

mj34 says...
10:06am Wed 31 Oct 12

lets hope you dont win then , nothing wrong with people wanting to get sooooo drunk , work hard, play hard , as long as people are having a good time :)))))), GO AND CATCH PEOPLE THAT ARE MURDERING,ROBBING,TH
ATS REAL CRIME!!!

georgina dean says...
10:30am Wed 31 Oct 12

Well you can have my vote just on the headlines.........Th
is used to be a lovely town where you could go out at night and wander round....not any more...lock your doors and dont go out.....town centre full of students drunk and very disorderly..girls half naked...men shouting f words all round the square..and as for killing the night life....why not...its only lining the pockets of rouges.........we managed very well without them...give us back our town and especially sort out Boscombe....I was brought up there and it was lovely ...now...well needs no comment....

pete woodley says...
10:50am Wed 31 Oct 12

georgina dean wrote:
Well you can have my vote just on the headlines.........Th

is used to be a lovely town where you could go out at night and wander round....not any more...lock your doors and dont go out.....town centre full of students drunk and very disorderly..girls half naked...men shouting f words all round the square..and as for killing the night life....why not...its only lining the pockets of rouges.........we managed very well without them...give us back our town and especially sort out Boscombe....I was brought up there and it was lovely ...now...well needs no comment....
Where are the half naked girls,i am always the last one to know.

Tony Trent says...
11:05am Wed 31 Oct 12

I am a regular attender at one of the most successful Safer Neighbourhood Team meetings - all open to the public. I haven't seen any of the four candidates at any of these regular meetings - despite one of them living in the area it covers, and so far only one (who I am pleased is the one my party has put up) has recognised the valuable work that has been going on these last few years to bring the Police and community closer together. As I feared when I first heard of the proposal for elected Police Commissioners, this is all about populist gestures that are high on headlines and low on reality. The main reason why people should vote in these elections is to stop someone getting in that will undo all the good that has been built up over these last few years. The area I live in and represent has gone from close to the top of the crime and ASB league to close to bottom, thanks to a system of working which puts the Police, Council and housing professionals, Councillors, volunteers & the public who attend and respond to surveys, in close and regular contact. Don't let the wrong person wreck it all. You will be able to rank the candidates 1st and 2nd choice. Use that power wisely and attend your next local SNT meeting to meet those that are doing the job in your area, rather than just base your judgement on "shock! horror!" newspaper headlines.

Tony Trent says...
11:24am Wed 31 Oct 12

Old Colonial wrote:
sollie wrote:
This guy is getting a lot of lead publicity from the Echo. Why haven't we had more lead stories from the other candidates?
For the opinions of the other candidates just read the outcomes of their latest Party Conferences.

Note that no individual financial supporter of theirs has to be declared. The money is hidden in the Party pot.
You under estimate the individuality of candidates. Yes they generally belong to a party because they share the basic philosophy of that party, but each party consists of tens of thousands of individuals, and in the case of the party I belong to is also financed by it's members. Once you take contributions from bussinesses or special interest groups you are more likely to fall into the trap of US politicians who can't always do what's right because their sponsor might pull the plug on their re-election bid. The career politician and the party hack do exist in the UK, but are not the whole story - even within political groupings. I have met people of all parties and none who I would trust, and those who are best avoided. The most important thing is still what motivates a particular candidate, and whether they can actually deliver what they say they want to. An input from me above highlights what I think we should be voting on.

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...
12:53pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Popular subject this then. No real surprise though. A move away from 'vertical drinking' establishments to late night cafe culture and more traditional drinking establishments is already being proposed, after that report done earlier this year.

stevobath says...
2:00pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Lets hope the 'Dark Riders' catch you this time around Bilbo!

spenkyborf says...
2:13pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Students are the least of peoples worries, the problem is with the Stag and Hen parties which seem to be causing more trouble than ever. I have lived in bournemouth my entire life and I have seen an increase in the amount of these "out of towners" in convoy driving down the A338 on a friday afternoon ready for a weekend of binge drinking and fighting.

Dont get me wrong, i believe that everyone should have a big night out before their wedding but the violence and trouble these groups are causing makes it more intimidating to the locals who just want a good night out.

I personally avoid town on a Friday/Saturday night these days.

Dorset Logic says...
3:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12

spenkyborf says...
2:13pm Wed 31 Oct 12

I personally avoid town on a Friday/Saturday night these days.


Never go into town during the day for a night out, its rubbish.

portia6 says...
3:59pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Leave the students alone they are
the future generation of hard working
professionals (hopefully). There are
too many grumpy oldies cluttering up
the pavements and knocking folk over
with their mobile scooters!

pete woodley says...
4:55pm Wed 31 Oct 12

I havent hit anyone, YET,WHERE DO YOU WALK ?.

Oldalbanian says...
5:13pm Wed 31 Oct 12

pete woodley wrote:
Are you squeaky clean.has dave wells ever hurt you,have you never heard of spent convictions.are you the one who reported Martyn.what about the people you mix with,do you know if they have any previous,i doubt it.I am NOT surprised that Martyn never replied to you.Bringing up someones past,is sinking low and i doubt whether other candidates would reply,to such a nasty request.
I did not report Underhill to the Dorset Police but having just found out that this has happened then I'm glad that someone did.
Seeking election as Police and Crime Commissioner and then enlisting the support of one of Bournemouth's if not the UK's worst landlord together with a criminal record seems at best naive. If Dave Wells has written to his tenants urging them to vote for Martyn Underhill then I suspect that a few hundred votes will have been lost at a stroke.
I do not know Mr Wells but I have seen the state of some of his properties and am aware of the way he treats tenants who fall foul of him.
I had acrually been intending to vote for Martyn Underhill as he was one candidate not affiliated to any partuicular ploitical party. Now I and I suspect many others will have to think again

MauriH says...
8:55pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Oldalbanian wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Are you squeaky clean.has dave wells ever hurt you,have you never heard of spent convictions.are you the one who reported Martyn.what about the people you mix with,do you know if they have any previous,i doubt it.I am NOT surprised that Martyn never replied to you.Bringing up someones past,is sinking low and i doubt whether other candidates would reply,to such a nasty request.
I did not report Underhill to the Dorset Police but having just found out that this has happened then I'm glad that someone did.
Seeking election as Police and Crime Commissioner and then enlisting the support of one of Bournemouth's if not the UK's worst landlord together with a criminal record seems at best naive. If Dave Wells has written to his tenants urging them to vote for Martyn Underhill then I suspect that a few hundred votes will have been lost at a stroke.
I do not know Mr Wells but I have seen the state of some of his properties and am aware of the way he treats tenants who fall foul of him.
I had acrually been intending to vote for Martyn Underhill as he was one candidate not affiliated to any partuicular ploitical party. Now I and I suspect many others will have to think again
Have you read Mr Underhill's blog on why he wanted to engage with Dave Wells and other landlords? Boscombe WILL NOT change without their involvement. A man who can engage with people from all walks of life will always get my vote rather than failed MP or councillor who have their strings pulled by their controlling party. He also has a manifesto unlike the other 3!

MauriH says...
8:56pm Wed 31 Oct 12

janeorm wrote:
Mr Pitiful,, as one might imagine I dare say Mr Underhill is busy with his vigorous campaign,, there is however still time for him to get in touch,
hopefully by meeting him as i have you will discover that he talks with great passion for the upcoming role of PCC, and from meeting i have had with the 2 of the other 3 candidates he gets my vote,i like what he stands for, i like his vision for change, i like his honesty,, unlike 1 candidatte who bluffed his way through the met and greet yesterday
Hear hear!

Voguelady says...
5:11pm Thu 1 Nov 12

One of these candidates was up until recently a Bournemouth Councillor with interests in at least 2 Night Clubs. I understand he had been prompted by a well known Nightclub Owner/ Consultant to apply to sit on the Licensing Board.

Surely if this person becomes the PPC it would have a devastating effect on the Licensing Committees throughout Dorset. Is this what we are really all looking for ? - THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE !!!

pete woodley says...
5:44pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Please stop telling lies.Nick king has had no connection with a club for sometime.and where on earth do you get your other information,I would say to anyone,THINK BEFORE LISTENING TO SOMEONE SUDDENLY COMING ONTO THIS SITE AND GOSSIPING.There are some nasty women about,as can be clearly seen by some previous comments,all of which appear to be part of an orchestrated campaign.

live-and-let-live says...
9:58pm Thu 1 Nov 12

i dont choose to have my drinking habits controlled by police. i dont choose to be told where i can or cannot drink, or when. i do not accept being controlled by police in any way. so no vote from me.

MauriH says...
7:13pm Fri 2 Nov 12

pete woodley wrote:
Please stop telling lies.Nick king has had no connection with a club for sometime.and where on earth do you get your other information,I would say to anyone,THINK BEFORE LISTENING TO SOMEONE SUDDENLY COMING ONTO THIS SITE AND GOSSIPING.There are some nasty women about,as can be clearly seen by some previous comments,all of which appear to be part of an orchestrated campaign.
I beg to differ Sir..... If you go online and do a search for company directors in his name, you can get all of Nick King's history including the fact that he is STILL a Director of said nightclub as we speak, contrary to his promise when he stood for election that he would resign all directorships. That directorship is registered to an address in Hampshire. He is also shown as an active director of another company which from its name is clearly the building that houses said nightclub. In addition, Mr King is shown as the director of a new company formed a month ago whose name sounds like an update of the original company name of said nightclub.

PS I'm not a woman!

gameon says...
9:52pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hadvar wrote:
Bmth 65 wrote:
What we need Commissioner, is Batman !
I'm bitterly disappointed that none of the candidates is called Gordon. I hope the very first thing the winning candidate does, is install a red, flashing phone in their office, that they keep beneath a glass cover.
Ha Ha very true Commissioner Gordon Chief O hara Batman Robin and Alfred The butler plus superman and all the other crime fighters would be needed to make BMTH a respectable Town again This Guy Underhill is talking like the new sherrif in town most of us say yea yea yea !!! isnt his main backer meant to be another upstanding member of the local parish who had holidays courtesy of her Majesty in the past.???

mon94key says...
4:49pm Sat 3 Nov 12

Your reporter in spain wrote:
underhill - i think more like underdog , if you are trying to kill off bournemouths nightlife i am afraid you are dead in the water ,many of us rely on this trade and you have just shot yourself in the foot , youre an idiot . get rid of the cheap drink suppliers that have sprung up everywhere and have some proper off licences , where is the need for places like california chicken to deliver drink to houses where the recipient could be any age the law is being flouted but you are targetting the wrong places for a solution , you wont be getting my vote . thats for sure
Just saying they id'ed me for a Tiramisu from california fried chicken.. how ever tesco didnt for halloween where your most likely to get people using fake id or trying it on to look over 21+ so it looks like we need a overhall of every supermarket i'ding policys..

portia6 says...
5:06pm Sat 3 Nov 12

pete woodley wrote:
I havent hit anyone, YET,WHERE DO YOU WALK ?.
Oops sorry Pete I have been knocked
over by a scooter a few years back
and luckily no broken bones! Have
tried one out myself when with my
friend who is 78 going on 18!

pete woodley says...
5:14pm Sat 3 Nov 12

I am 78,so watch out.There is one bloke in winton that bullies his way through pedestrians, and a biggish woman who does as well,so know how you feel.Mind you i dont use mine so much as i should do as my doctor says try and keep using your legs.but old age has crept on quick.

portia6 says...
11:24pm Sat 3 Nov 12

pete woodley wrote:
I am 78,so watch out.There is one bloke in winton that bullies his way through pedestrians, and a biggish woman who does as well,so know how you feel.Mind you i dont use mine so much as i should do as my doctor says try and keep using your legs.but old age has crept on quick.
The lady I go out with on the bus as
her helper has been told to walk as
much as she can as she has had
deep vein thrombosis. She complains
that the bus is too crowded with
pushchairs and students so she rarely
uses her scooter. I'm thinking of
starting a club for bus pass users on the
X53 to Weymouth!

pete woodley says...
9:58am Sun 4 Nov 12

Last time i used that bus,i asked someone to get up from the a front seat,so a disabled elderly lady could sit down,and i got a load of abuse from several people,the seat did have a notice on it saying about disabled.but nobody cared especially the W AND D driver who did not care a toss.

Oldalbanian says...
10:13am Sun 4 Nov 12

All Wilts and Dorset busses are clogged up with old people using their free passes.
My favourite comment from a W&D driver was at Swanage who claimed that his route (50) resembled a Saga coach trip outing rather than a scheduled bus service!

pete woodley says...
10:18am Sun 4 Nov 12

Oldalbanian wrote:
All Wilts and Dorset busses are clogged up with old people using their free passes.
My favourite comment from a W&D driver was at Swanage who claimed that his route (50) resembled a Saga coach trip outing rather than a scheduled bus service!
Have you got a personal grudge about old people,if they have free passes why shouldnt they use them.Your insults about the elderly,make you out to be a quite nasty bit of work.

Oldalbanian says...
1:18pm Sun 4 Nov 12

I have the bus pass (am 68 but still working) and use it regularly.
As for being nasty piece of work - pot calling the kettle black methinks!

Belsykes says...
4:21pm Sun 4 Nov 12

MauriH wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Please stop telling lies.Nick king has had no connection with a club for sometime.and where on earth do you get your other information,I would say to anyone,THINK BEFORE LISTENING TO SOMEONE SUDDENLY COMING ONTO THIS SITE AND GOSSIPING.There are some nasty women about,as can be clearly seen by some previous comments,all of which appear to be part of an orchestrated campaign.
I beg to differ Sir..... If you go online and do a search for company directors in his name, you can get all of Nick King's history including the fact that he is STILL a Director of said nightclub as we speak, contrary to his promise when he stood for election that he would resign all directorships. That directorship is registered to an address in Hampshire. He is also shown as an active director of another company which from its name is clearly the building that houses said nightclub. In addition, Mr King is shown as the director of a new company formed a month ago whose name sounds like an update of the original company name of said nightclub.

PS I'm not a woman!
Just spotted this post. Why no comment from Pete on this one then???

pete woodley says...
4:48pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Do you know something that we all do not know ?.

Belsykes says...
8:10pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Have a look on the Internet. It's all there

pete woodley says...
9:04pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Belsykes wrote:
Have a look on the Internet. It's all there
If you want to prove something,why not be open and put it all down on this site,all the information you "think" we should know,not expect us to chase all over the internet just to please you.I will ask you again,do you know something that we all do not all know.Secondly would you say it openly by giving your name,if we are meant to believe you are real and not just winding people up.

pete woodley says...
9:08pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Oldalbanian wrote:
I have the bus pass (am 68 but still working) and use it regularly.
As for being nasty piece of work - pot calling the kettle black methinks!
If you are still working and drawing wages why do you need a free pass ?.

portia6 says...
1:01am Mon 5 Nov 12

Oldalbanian wrote:
All Wilts and Dorset busses are clogged up with old people using their free passes.
My favourite comment from a W&D driver was at Swanage who claimed that his route (50) resembled a Saga coach trip outing rather than a scheduled bus service!
Its the golden oldies on their away day
freebie.

Oldalbanian says...
8:10am Mon 5 Nov 12

pete woodley wrote:
Oldalbanian wrote:
I have the bus pass (am 68 but still working) and use it regularly.
As for being nasty piece of work - pot calling the kettle black methinks!
If you are still working and drawing wages why do you need a free pass ?.
I have worked without a break since the age of 18 when I joined to Army.
I have paid into the system through the tax burden without a break for 50 years, (defended the country for 25 of them!) so I feel I am entitled to my state pension, winter fuel allowance and bus pass.
Hardly an abuse of the sysyem!

pete woodley says...
9:17am Mon 5 Nov 12

No one has said its an abuse,it was you who brought the subject up about the elderly using their passes, so its alright for you but not them.I have paid into the system,and served my country,twice a regular, and twice T.A.So have many others,so what makes you so special.

Square Old Codger says...
10:23am Mon 5 Nov 12

portia6 wrote:
Oldalbanian wrote: All Wilts and Dorset busses are clogged up with old people using their free passes. My favourite comment from a W&D driver was at Swanage who claimed that his route (50) resembled a Saga coach trip outing rather than a scheduled bus service!
Its the golden oldies on their away day freebie.
Without them this and many other routes would be cut back and indeed may well be keeping him in a job. The whole rational behind bus passes was to fill buses at off peak periods and enable pensioners to get out of their homes and travel their local area. This is working well.Of course we had a more compassionate Government then, not one intent on reducing pensioers incomes and condeming many to poverty. They do have a final solution though, paying Hospitals to adopt the Liverpool "Pathway scheme, which pays for each patient disposed of. A "happy" thought to finish with.

easytojudge says...
10:26am Mon 5 Nov 12

I think the opposite needs to be done, Dorset is advertised to an older generation " jurassic coast,cream teas and a stroll by the river.." but Bournemouth easily has the potential to be a super town, not a city.. its one of the quietest,loudest places in England,and as many of you have said, the students and nightlife bring alot of money,tourists and buisness investers into the town. I believe if Bournemouth had a major exterior facelife,nice lick of paint and a few new lights and started to advertise Bournemouth/Dorset to a more younger crowd then within a few years Bournemouth ( when its hot ) could easily be up there with ibiza,magaluf and so on.. i would prefer to stay here than go abroad already,but it could stil be made better,cleaner and alot smarter.

portia6 says...
7:04pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Great nice to see some positive
feedback about our town, Bournemouth
has potential to be thriving for the
young people. We have a University
and lots of good schools as well as
the beaches and gardens!

Meeshy says...
5:39am Thu 15 Nov 12

Square Old Codger. They are very narrow-minded thoughts. However, I so totally agree with them. But, at least they are straight and narrow, to the point and they benefit our society. I only hope the same applies when I am old enough to enjoy the same privelages. I see so many idiots on here, (well, only one really keeps cropping up in the Woods ((or Woodleys)) that it's a breath of fresh air to see your sensible comments.

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