Cycling has become a "dangerous game" say campaigners

Bournemouth Echo: Cycling has become a "dangerous game" say campaigners Cycling has become a "dangerous game" say campaigners

CYCLE campaigners have demanded stronger action following a recent spate of hit-and-run accidents.

The latest victim suffered a broken wrist after a collision involving a car in Poole. Safety campaigners want police to take a tougher stance on aggressive drivers when it comes to following-up reports of near misses.

Poole Wheelers cycling club president Colin Price said: “If we were on four legs and six foot tall motorists would sit there calmly and give us plenty of room. But on two wheels, motorists are quite happy to try and plant a wing mirror into your elbow.

“This is becoming a very dangerous game. We would like to see the police following up more reported incidents of aggressive driving and better education for motorists out there on the roads.”

Clubs across the county report an explosion of cycling interest post-Olympics, so the numbers of recreational riders could be set to increase.

However, cycle event organiser David Wade warns newcomers that aggressive driving is all too common on Dorset’s roads.

“We held a hill climb event on Sunday and once again our members were victims of aggressive drivers,” he said.

“Motorists still argue they have absolute right of way.”

The latest cycle victim, a 27-year-old man, was injured on Friday along Alder Road.

Earlier this month a 16-year-old cyclist was taken to hospital with head injuries after being discovered slumped in Christchurch’s Fairmile Road.

Meanwhile, a Purbeck man was left sprawled and unconscious in the road after being hit from behind on the A352 at East Stoke on September 27.

Police are still searching for the occupants of a gold car thought to be responsible for attempting to push two cyclists over as they rode through Poole last month.

Inspector Matt Butler of the Dorset Police traffic department said: “Dorset Police investigate all allegations of road traffic offences in accordance with the CPS Code for Crown Prosecutors. The success of any investigation relies on the evidence obtained.

“All allegations are taken seriously and evidence is gathered through a number of investigative methods.

“Dorset Police encourage members of the public to report allegations promptly and to try and provide as much information as possible to help with the investigation.

“We also would like to remind all road users to drive, ride or walk safely, ensuring you pay attention to what is going on around.”

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10:31am Thu 25 Oct 12

GB916 says...

Inspector Matt Butler of the Dorset Police traffic department said: “Dorset Police investigate all allegations of road traffic offences in accordance with the CPS Code for Crown Prosecutors. The success of any investigation relies on the evidence obtained.
What rubbish,i was knocked off my bike in castle lane 2 weeks ago,thee driver pulled out from a side road and then tried to blame me,not one other motorist cared,and when i phoned the police,they said it was not there problem,and to take the details of the driver,i got his details,but he has not paid up for the damage to my bike,i phoned the police again,and thay said again,it was not there problem,so maybe next time i should just break the drivers car window,then at least they would be out of pocket too like me.
Inspector Matt Butler of the Dorset Police traffic department said: “Dorset Police investigate all allegations of road traffic offences in accordance with the CPS Code for Crown Prosecutors. The success of any investigation relies on the evidence obtained. What rubbish,i was knocked off my bike in castle lane 2 weeks ago,thee driver pulled out from a side road and then tried to blame me,not one other motorist cared,and when i phoned the police,they said it was not there problem,and to take the details of the driver,i got his details,but he has not paid up for the damage to my bike,i phoned the police again,and thay said again,it was not there problem,so maybe next time i should just break the drivers car window,then at least they would be out of pocket too like me. GB916

10:45am Thu 25 Oct 12

jobsworthwatch says...

An instant fix to make cycling safer would be to make all pavements shared routes and remove all 'No cycling' signs from precincts, the cliff tops, the chines and allow 24/7 year round cycling on the prom.
An instant fix to make cycling safer would be to make all pavements shared routes and remove all 'No cycling' signs from precincts, the cliff tops, the chines and allow 24/7 year round cycling on the prom. jobsworthwatch

11:27am Thu 25 Oct 12

JJMcClure says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
An instant fix to make cycling safer would be to make all pavements shared routes and remove all 'No cycling' signs from precincts, the cliff tops, the chines and allow 24/7 year round cycling on the prom.
I agree in part with you but letting cyclists use all footpaths and precincts etc would mean more pedestrians (and cyclists) getting hurt. I fail to understand why a lot (not all) refuse to use cycle paths that are already provided. Yesterday I saw 2 cyclists riding on the road part of the Dorset Way by Tower Park when just 2 feet away there was an unused cycle path. Surely if cyclists thought drivers are so bad (not denying some are) then then should do themselves a favour and use the cycle paths. I always use provided cycle paths as there are a lot of drivers who don't car about cyclists.
Drivers need to be more aware of cyclists as they are more vulnarable (the cyclists not the drivers) but the cyclists also need to help themselves by making themselves less vulnarable.
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: An instant fix to make cycling safer would be to make all pavements shared routes and remove all 'No cycling' signs from precincts, the cliff tops, the chines and allow 24/7 year round cycling on the prom.[/p][/quote]I agree in part with you but letting cyclists use all footpaths and precincts etc would mean more pedestrians (and cyclists) getting hurt. I fail to understand why a lot (not all) refuse to use cycle paths that are already provided. Yesterday I saw 2 cyclists riding on the road part of the Dorset Way by Tower Park when just 2 feet away there was an unused cycle path. Surely if cyclists thought drivers are so bad (not denying some are) then then should do themselves a favour and use the cycle paths. I always use provided cycle paths as there are a lot of drivers who don't car about cyclists. Drivers need to be more aware of cyclists as they are more vulnarable (the cyclists not the drivers) but the cyclists also need to help themselves by making themselves less vulnarable. JJMcClure

11:37am Thu 25 Oct 12

hammer says...

So us horrible car drivers should stop cyclists when they are breaking the law and contact the Police! There are good cyclists and bad cyclists as there are good car drivers and bad car drivers!
So us horrible car drivers should stop cyclists when they are breaking the law and contact the Police! There are good cyclists and bad cyclists as there are good car drivers and bad car drivers! hammer

11:43am Thu 25 Oct 12

_mooch_ says...

yes, i must admit that cycling has become an outdated mode of transport, ideal for recreational jaunts through the forest and ambling along well kept paths, a different story when you are mixing it with with motor vehicles
yes, i must admit that cycling has become an outdated mode of transport, ideal for recreational jaunts through the forest and ambling along well kept paths, a different story when you are mixing it with with motor vehicles _mooch_

11:50am Thu 25 Oct 12

mookie44 says...

I don't understand why cyclists risk their lives on the roads during rush hour when the council in some areas has built cycle lanes on the pavement? Example would be Gravel Hill cycle lane.
I don't understand why cyclists risk their lives on the roads during rush hour when the council in some areas has built cycle lanes on the pavement? Example would be Gravel Hill cycle lane. mookie44

12:04pm Thu 25 Oct 12

cyclejim says...

mookie44 wrote:
I don't understand why cyclists risk their lives on the roads during rush hour when the council in some areas has built cycle lanes on the pavement? Example would be Gravel Hill cycle lane.
Says a lot about our driving standards when legally cycling along a straight road is classed as taking a risk with your life.

The problem with many cycle lanes is that they are built for the benefit of the motorist and not the convenience of the cyclist. I'd happily lend someone a bike and take them on an obstacle ridden dis-jointed tour of these lanes to enlighten exactly why so many of them are rejected and that's an issue that frustrates both cyclists and motorists.

Autumn is also a particularly bad time for debris in 'gutter' cycle lanes, which are not often cleaned and can be extremely dangerous.

A lot is said about being able to anticipate and understand how someone might behave on the road and why. There'll always be those who bring a bad name to others and it does amaze me how cyclists get an inversely proportionate level of anger compared to the damage they cause, but I wonder if we can use these forums to educate each other about why people do things rather than turn comments into a string of insults.
[quote][p][bold]mookie44[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why cyclists risk their lives on the roads during rush hour when the council in some areas has built cycle lanes on the pavement? Example would be Gravel Hill cycle lane.[/p][/quote]Says a lot about our driving standards when legally cycling along a straight road is classed as taking a risk with your life. The problem with many cycle lanes is that they are built for the benefit of the motorist and not the convenience of the cyclist. I'd happily lend someone a bike and take them on an obstacle ridden dis-jointed tour of these lanes to enlighten exactly why so many of them are rejected and that's an issue that frustrates both cyclists and motorists. Autumn is also a particularly bad time for debris in 'gutter' cycle lanes, which are not often cleaned and can be extremely dangerous. A lot is said about being able to anticipate and understand how someone might behave on the road and why. There'll always be those who bring a bad name to others and it does amaze me how cyclists get an inversely proportionate level of anger compared to the damage they cause, but I wonder if we can use these forums to educate each other about why people do things rather than turn comments into a string of insults. cyclejim

12:07pm Thu 25 Oct 12

jobsworthwatch says...

hammer wrote:
So us horrible car drivers should stop cyclists when they are breaking the law and contact the Police! There are good cyclists and bad cyclists as there are good car drivers and bad car drivers!
All cyclist are at serious risk from all cars, proved by the recent spate of accidents regardless of blame, cyclists present little or no risk to car drivers.
[quote][p][bold]hammer[/bold] wrote: So us horrible car drivers should stop cyclists when they are breaking the law and contact the Police! There are good cyclists and bad cyclists as there are good car drivers and bad car drivers![/p][/quote]All cyclist are at serious risk from all cars, proved by the recent spate of accidents regardless of blame, cyclists present little or no risk to car drivers. jobsworthwatch

12:09pm Thu 25 Oct 12

woby_tide says...

mookie44 wrote:
I don't understand why cyclists risk their lives on the roads during rush hour when the council in some areas has built cycle lanes on the pavement? Example would be Gravel Hill cycle lane.
Mostly because a lot of motorists fail to understand cycle lanes, especially those on the side of the roads. Barrack Road and Castle Lane are execellent examples of taking your life in your hands as people veer in and out of the cycle lane to ensure they remain 1 foot behind the car in front at 3mph at all costs
[quote][p][bold]mookie44[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why cyclists risk their lives on the roads during rush hour when the council in some areas has built cycle lanes on the pavement? Example would be Gravel Hill cycle lane.[/p][/quote]Mostly because a lot of motorists fail to understand cycle lanes, especially those on the side of the roads. Barrack Road and Castle Lane are execellent examples of taking your life in your hands as people veer in and out of the cycle lane to ensure they remain 1 foot behind the car in front at 3mph at all costs woby_tide

12:11pm Thu 25 Oct 12

cyclejim says...

That last point goes for everyone and I'm firmly in the 'for' camp when it comes to some kind of cycle training at school. The more experienced a cyclist I've become, there are things I now do differently in order to help those around me and for myself, be safer.
That last point goes for everyone and I'm firmly in the 'for' camp when it comes to some kind of cycle training at school. The more experienced a cyclist I've become, there are things I now do differently in order to help those around me and for myself, be safer. cyclejim

12:12pm Thu 25 Oct 12

jobsworthwatch says...

Clocks go back at the weekend, stand by for the spike in road accidents and no doubt it will be cyclists that fare the worst.
Clocks go back at the weekend, stand by for the spike in road accidents and no doubt it will be cyclists that fare the worst. jobsworthwatch

12:16pm Thu 25 Oct 12

aerolover says...

Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.
Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers. aerolover

12:24pm Thu 25 Oct 12

cyclejim says...

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.
Roads are paid for out of general taxation so anyone who has a job, buys anything, pays council tax etc is funding the roads. VED is a tax on emissions, and plenty of vehicles other than cyclists are exempt.

It also means that cyclists contribute millions of pounds in taxes for the upkeep of a motorway network we never use.
[quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.[/p][/quote]Roads are paid for out of general taxation so anyone who has a job, buys anything, pays council tax etc is funding the roads. VED is a tax on emissions, and plenty of vehicles other than cyclists are exempt. It also means that cyclists contribute millions of pounds in taxes for the upkeep of a motorway network we never use. cyclejim

12:25pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Imaximus says...

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.
Im a cyclist and a car driver...I cycle to work so i all ready pay my bit...But ok.....I shall pay my road tax which will be £0 as i produce no Co2. I shall now insure my bike 3rd party only which if i could would be about £20 pounds...Ok now im as legal as a car driver...that means cos ive paid my bit i shall now take up the whole lane and not be pushed into the gutter. Thats fair isnt it????
[quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.[/p][/quote]Im a cyclist and a car driver...I cycle to work so i all ready pay my bit...But ok.....I shall pay my road tax which will be £0 as i produce no Co2. I shall now insure my bike 3rd party only which if i could would be about £20 pounds...Ok now im as legal as a car driver...that means cos ive paid my bit i shall now take up the whole lane and not be pushed into the gutter. Thats fair isnt it???? Imaximus

12:31pm Thu 25 Oct 12

twynham says...

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.
Car tax does not pay for the roads, it goes directly to the Exchequer, Winston Churchill saw to that!
Nice to see you have your finger on the political pulse!
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All members of the Cyclists' Touring Club have third party insurance.
[quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.[/p][/quote]Car tax does not pay for the roads, it goes directly to the Exchequer, Winston Churchill saw to that! Nice to see you have your finger on the political pulse! . All members of the Cyclists' Touring Club have third party insurance. twynham

12:41pm Thu 25 Oct 12

burgerboy says...

JJMcClure wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
An instant fix to make cycling safer would be to make all pavements shared routes and remove all 'No cycling' signs from precincts, the cliff tops, the chines and allow 24/7 year round cycling on the prom.
I agree in part with you but letting cyclists use all footpaths and precincts etc would mean more pedestrians (and cyclists) getting hurt. I fail to understand why a lot (not all) refuse to use cycle paths that are already provided. Yesterday I saw 2 cyclists riding on the road part of the Dorset Way by Tower Park when just 2 feet away there was an unused cycle path. Surely if cyclists thought drivers are so bad (not denying some are) then then should do themselves a favour and use the cycle paths. I always use provided cycle paths as there are a lot of drivers who don't car about cyclists.
Drivers need to be more aware of cyclists as they are more vulnarable (the cyclists not the drivers) but the cyclists also need to help themselves by making themselves less vulnarable.
Any cyclist that fails to use cycle paths where provided and ends up under the wheels of a vehicle only has themselves to blame.It should also be made law for cyclist to obtain third party insurance to cover injury to pedestrians if they are permitted use the pavement .
It seems that as long as the high and mighty cyclists think that they are a law unto themselves how can they expect any respect from other motorists.
[quote][p][bold]JJMcClure[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: An instant fix to make cycling safer would be to make all pavements shared routes and remove all 'No cycling' signs from precincts, the cliff tops, the chines and allow 24/7 year round cycling on the prom.[/p][/quote]I agree in part with you but letting cyclists use all footpaths and precincts etc would mean more pedestrians (and cyclists) getting hurt. I fail to understand why a lot (not all) refuse to use cycle paths that are already provided. Yesterday I saw 2 cyclists riding on the road part of the Dorset Way by Tower Park when just 2 feet away there was an unused cycle path. Surely if cyclists thought drivers are so bad (not denying some are) then then should do themselves a favour and use the cycle paths. I always use provided cycle paths as there are a lot of drivers who don't car about cyclists. Drivers need to be more aware of cyclists as they are more vulnarable (the cyclists not the drivers) but the cyclists also need to help themselves by making themselves less vulnarable.[/p][/quote]Any cyclist that fails to use cycle paths where provided and ends up under the wheels of a vehicle only has themselves to blame.It should also be made law for cyclist to obtain third party insurance to cover injury to pedestrians if they are permitted use the pavement . It seems that as long as the high and mighty cyclists think that they are a law unto themselves how can they expect any respect from other motorists. burgerboy

12:49pm Thu 25 Oct 12

cyclejim says...

burgerboy wrote:
JJMcClure wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
An instant fix to make cycling safer would be to make all pavements shared routes and remove all 'No cycling' signs from precincts, the cliff tops, the chines and allow 24/7 year round cycling on the prom.
I agree in part with you but letting cyclists use all footpaths and precincts etc would mean more pedestrians (and cyclists) getting hurt. I fail to understand why a lot (not all) refuse to use cycle paths that are already provided. Yesterday I saw 2 cyclists riding on the road part of the Dorset Way by Tower Park when just 2 feet away there was an unused cycle path. Surely if cyclists thought drivers are so bad (not denying some are) then then should do themselves a favour and use the cycle paths. I always use provided cycle paths as there are a lot of drivers who don't car about cyclists.
Drivers need to be more aware of cyclists as they are more vulnarable (the cyclists not the drivers) but the cyclists also need to help themselves by making themselves less vulnarable.
Any cyclist that fails to use cycle paths where provided and ends up under the wheels of a vehicle only has themselves to blame.It should also be made law for cyclist to obtain third party insurance to cover injury to pedestrians if they are permitted use the pavement .
It seems that as long as the high and mighty cyclists think that they are a law unto themselves how can they expect any respect from other motorists.
Hundreds of motorists are caught breaking the law every day. Hundreds of people die every year as a result of bad driving. How much respect should cyclists give motorists?

The answer to both our questions is plenty. Showing someone a lack of respect based on what other people have done is a sign of bad driving and cycling and it's that kind of attitude that kills people.
[quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJMcClure[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: An instant fix to make cycling safer would be to make all pavements shared routes and remove all 'No cycling' signs from precincts, the cliff tops, the chines and allow 24/7 year round cycling on the prom.[/p][/quote]I agree in part with you but letting cyclists use all footpaths and precincts etc would mean more pedestrians (and cyclists) getting hurt. I fail to understand why a lot (not all) refuse to use cycle paths that are already provided. Yesterday I saw 2 cyclists riding on the road part of the Dorset Way by Tower Park when just 2 feet away there was an unused cycle path. Surely if cyclists thought drivers are so bad (not denying some are) then then should do themselves a favour and use the cycle paths. I always use provided cycle paths as there are a lot of drivers who don't car about cyclists. Drivers need to be more aware of cyclists as they are more vulnarable (the cyclists not the drivers) but the cyclists also need to help themselves by making themselves less vulnarable.[/p][/quote]Any cyclist that fails to use cycle paths where provided and ends up under the wheels of a vehicle only has themselves to blame.It should also be made law for cyclist to obtain third party insurance to cover injury to pedestrians if they are permitted use the pavement . It seems that as long as the high and mighty cyclists think that they are a law unto themselves how can they expect any respect from other motorists.[/p][/quote]Hundreds of motorists are caught breaking the law every day. Hundreds of people die every year as a result of bad driving. How much respect should cyclists give motorists? The answer to both our questions is plenty. Showing someone a lack of respect based on what other people have done is a sign of bad driving and cycling and it's that kind of attitude that kills people. cyclejim

1:05pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Derf says...

Nice to know the cycling groups treat it all as a 'Game'.

Cyclists don't seem to use cycle lanes when they're there anyway. There's a cycle lane along the Dorset way all the way from Wallisdown roundabout to Fleets lane, yet I see many cyclists on the dual carriageway. Same goes for most other cycle lanes across the conurbation.

If I jump a red light in a car, I get 3 points and £60, whyt doesn't the same apply to cyclists?
Nice to know the cycling groups treat it all as a 'Game'. Cyclists don't seem to use cycle lanes when they're there anyway. There's a cycle lane along the Dorset way all the way from Wallisdown roundabout to Fleets lane, yet I see many cyclists on the dual carriageway. Same goes for most other cycle lanes across the conurbation. If I jump a red light in a car, I get 3 points and £60, whyt doesn't the same apply to cyclists? Derf

1:30pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Say-it-how-it-is says...

Derf wrote:
Nice to know the cycling groups treat it all as a 'Game'.

Cyclists don't seem to use cycle lanes when they're there anyway. There's a cycle lane along the Dorset way all the way from Wallisdown roundabout to Fleets lane, yet I see many cyclists on the dual carriageway. Same goes for most other cycle lanes across the conurbation.

If I jump a red light in a car, I get 3 points and £60, whyt doesn't the same apply to cyclists?
Well it should do. And for cyclist who jump the lights and on their phone's at the same time. I use to ride my bike, but am ashamed on how cyclists are now. It's like they own the road and no else does.
[quote][p][bold]Derf[/bold] wrote: Nice to know the cycling groups treat it all as a 'Game'. Cyclists don't seem to use cycle lanes when they're there anyway. There's a cycle lane along the Dorset way all the way from Wallisdown roundabout to Fleets lane, yet I see many cyclists on the dual carriageway. Same goes for most other cycle lanes across the conurbation. If I jump a red light in a car, I get 3 points and £60, whyt doesn't the same apply to cyclists?[/p][/quote]Well it should do. And for cyclist who jump the lights and on their phone's at the same time. I use to ride my bike, but am ashamed on how cyclists are now. It's like they own the road and no else does. Say-it-how-it-is

1:39pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Imaximus says...

you guys all seem to assume that all cyclist break the law.....tut tut.
you guys all seem to assume that all cyclist break the law.....tut tut. Imaximus

2:06pm Thu 25 Oct 12

downfader says...

This should not be a discussion about drivers vs cyclists but the facts remain clear - cyclists ARE being put at risk in areas and that really should not be happening.

None of the cyclists mentioned in the article have broken any laws.They were all riding in a legal manner when they were brought down. And let us not forget that hit and run is still an abhorrent thing to do to anyone.

I urge ALL cyclists to do the following:

- Join British Cycling and/or CTC (both not only offer discounts in shops but also training and campaign on your behalf for road safety - its only about £30 a year).

- Consider a helmet camera. You dont have to upload to youtube like some of us, but you will have a chance of evidence should something happen.

Many of us on the web will help you with advice (cycling forums, twitter, the blogs)

- Actively document issues that face yourselves and take those to your councillours, MPs, Police liason and write to Government demanding change.

- And yes, you do have to follow the law, whether in car, on bike or horse or on foot. That goes without saying. Like I said above there are many of us willing to give out advice.
This should not be a discussion about drivers vs cyclists but the facts remain clear - cyclists ARE being put at risk in areas and that really should not be happening. None of the cyclists mentioned in the article have broken any laws.They were all riding in a legal manner when they were brought down. And let us not forget that hit and run is still an abhorrent thing to do to anyone. I urge ALL cyclists to do the following: - Join British Cycling and/or CTC (both not only offer discounts in shops but also training and campaign on your behalf for road safety - its only about £30 a year). - Consider a helmet camera. You dont have to upload to youtube like some of us, but you will have a chance of evidence should something happen. Many of us on the web will help you with advice (cycling forums, twitter, the blogs) - Actively document issues that face yourselves and take those to your councillours, MPs, Police liason and write to Government demanding change. - And yes, you do have to follow the law, whether in car, on bike or horse or on foot. That goes without saying. Like I said above there are many of us willing to give out advice. downfader

3:15pm Thu 25 Oct 12

rozmister says...

I've only recently started driving again (previously took public transport) and what's surprised me is the amount of cyclists I see now who don't have lights on their bikes. It's darker in the mornings and gets darker earlier in the evenings - if you want road users to see you please don't wear black and no lights!

I nearly hit a man the other day at 6am (still dark out and was very misty) who was riding in all black with no lights on. He swore at me and shook his fist and I felt genuinely bad I nearly hit him but perhaps if he'd had a light on or a reflective jacket I would have noticed him sooner!
I've only recently started driving again (previously took public transport) and what's surprised me is the amount of cyclists I see now who don't have lights on their bikes. It's darker in the mornings and gets darker earlier in the evenings - if you want road users to see you please don't wear black and no lights! I nearly hit a man the other day at 6am (still dark out and was very misty) who was riding in all black with no lights on. He swore at me and shook his fist and I felt genuinely bad I nearly hit him but perhaps if he'd had a light on or a reflective jacket I would have noticed him sooner! rozmister

4:33pm Thu 25 Oct 12

burgerboy says...

rozmister wrote:
I've only recently started driving again (previously took public transport) and what's surprised me is the amount of cyclists I see now who don't have lights on their bikes. It's darker in the mornings and gets darker earlier in the evenings - if you want road users to see you please don't wear black and no lights!

I nearly hit a man the other day at 6am (still dark out and was very misty) who was riding in all black with no lights on. He swore at me and shook his fist and I felt genuinely bad I nearly hit him but perhaps if he'd had a light on or a reflective jacket I would have noticed him sooner!
Totally agree Rosmister.
Many cyclists think they are above the law.
I bet if a car driver was to venture out without lights after dark it would not be long before they were pulled up by the police and reprimanded or charged,but the cyclist can ride without lights,ride on the pavement and charge through the pedestrian precinct which are all as far as i know against the law, and this is possibly one of the reasons that there is ongoing bad feeling toward many cyclist by car drivers.
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[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: I've only recently started driving again (previously took public transport) and what's surprised me is the amount of cyclists I see now who don't have lights on their bikes. It's darker in the mornings and gets darker earlier in the evenings - if you want road users to see you please don't wear black and no lights! I nearly hit a man the other day at 6am (still dark out and was very misty) who was riding in all black with no lights on. He swore at me and shook his fist and I felt genuinely bad I nearly hit him but perhaps if he'd had a light on or a reflective jacket I would have noticed him sooner![/p][/quote]Totally agree Rosmister. Many cyclists think they are above the law. I bet if a car driver was to venture out without lights after dark it would not be long before they were pulled up by the police and reprimanded or charged,but the cyclist can ride without lights,ride on the pavement and charge through the pedestrian precinct which are all as far as i know against the law, and this is possibly one of the reasons that there is ongoing bad feeling toward many cyclist by car drivers. . burgerboy

4:58pm Thu 25 Oct 12

downfader says...

burgerboy wrote:
rozmister wrote:
I've only recently started driving again (previously took public transport) and what's surprised me is the amount of cyclists I see now who don't have lights on their bikes. It's darker in the mornings and gets darker earlier in the evenings - if you want road users to see you please don't wear black and no lights!

I nearly hit a man the other day at 6am (still dark out and was very misty) who was riding in all black with no lights on. He swore at me and shook his fist and I felt genuinely bad I nearly hit him but perhaps if he'd had a light on or a reflective jacket I would have noticed him sooner!
Totally agree Rosmister.
Many cyclists think they are above the law.
I bet if a car driver was to venture out without lights after dark it would not be long before they were pulled up by the police and reprimanded or charged,but the cyclist can ride without lights,ride on the pavement and charge through the pedestrian precinct which are all as far as i know against the law, and this is possibly one of the reasons that there is ongoing bad feeling toward many cyclist by car drivers.
.
I would disagree that it is "many", none of the studies, or accident data has ever backed up that assertion,

What you have to remember is what I said above - those people affected in the article were not breaking the law.

After all - should you as a driver be held to account for drivers like this? -
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2220276/Cardiff-hit-
run-Toddler-catapult
ed-air-caught-father
-driver-mows-FOURTEE
N-people.html

This is effectively what our culture is doing - guilt by association. This needs to stop.
[quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: I've only recently started driving again (previously took public transport) and what's surprised me is the amount of cyclists I see now who don't have lights on their bikes. It's darker in the mornings and gets darker earlier in the evenings - if you want road users to see you please don't wear black and no lights! I nearly hit a man the other day at 6am (still dark out and was very misty) who was riding in all black with no lights on. He swore at me and shook his fist and I felt genuinely bad I nearly hit him but perhaps if he'd had a light on or a reflective jacket I would have noticed him sooner![/p][/quote]Totally agree Rosmister. Many cyclists think they are above the law. I bet if a car driver was to venture out without lights after dark it would not be long before they were pulled up by the police and reprimanded or charged,but the cyclist can ride without lights,ride on the pavement and charge through the pedestrian precinct which are all as far as i know against the law, and this is possibly one of the reasons that there is ongoing bad feeling toward many cyclist by car drivers. .[/p][/quote]I would disagree that it is "many", none of the studies, or accident data has ever backed up that assertion, What you have to remember is what I said above - those people affected in the article were not breaking the law. After all - should you as a driver be held to account for drivers like this? - http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2220276/Cardiff-hit- run-Toddler-catapult ed-air-caught-father -driver-mows-FOURTEE N-people.html This is effectively what our culture is doing - guilt by association. This needs to stop. downfader

5:12pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Harv1979 says...

For years I blamed cyclists for the problems until I started cycling again at which point I soon realised that the roads around here are so bad that cyclists need to cycle further out in the road as road margins are terrible.

Cycle lanes are woefully inadequate, stopping at random places and taking you a considerable way off course a lot of the time. There is one on Ringwood Road, Parkstone where one line goes around a tree and the other doesn't making the "cycle lane" too narrow for a cycle.

Also noticed an increasing number of drivers who seem unable to pass a cyclist and prefer to slow down to their speed and drive directly behind them - very odd behaviour!!
For years I blamed cyclists for the problems until I started cycling again at which point I soon realised that the roads around here are so bad that cyclists need to cycle further out in the road as road margins are terrible. Cycle lanes are woefully inadequate, stopping at random places and taking you a considerable way off course a lot of the time. There is one on Ringwood Road, Parkstone where one line goes around a tree and the other doesn't making the "cycle lane" too narrow for a cycle. Also noticed an increasing number of drivers who seem unable to pass a cyclist and prefer to slow down to their speed and drive directly behind them - very odd behaviour!! Harv1979

5:20pm Thu 25 Oct 12

devilstail says...

Not surprising really, the standard and attitude of drivers in around Poole and Bournemouth is atrocious. I say that as driver. As can be seen by some of the comments on here.
I spent a lot of time driving and cycling in Germany and the law protects cyclists and pedestrians. As a driver I slow down for other slower road users and wait until it is safe to do so and give them plenty of room, whatever mode of transport they use. What hassle is it to me, a move of the foot and a small turn on a steering wheel. Yet for some motorists they seem to full of their own self importance to be able to do this, they are not out in the weather, expending energy, with little protection around them. As as a driver their safety from my vehicle is my responsibility, not the cyclists.
Too many people these days are disrespectful to others and downright bone idle and lazy and think that the rules don't apply to them. It is time there was a clampdown NO EXCUSES!
Not surprising really, the standard and attitude of drivers in around Poole and Bournemouth is atrocious. I say that as driver. As can be seen by some of the comments on here. I spent a lot of time driving and cycling in Germany and the law protects cyclists and pedestrians. As a driver I slow down for other slower road users and wait until it is safe to do so and give them plenty of room, whatever mode of transport they use. What hassle is it to me, a move of the foot and a small turn on a steering wheel. Yet for some motorists they seem to full of their own self importance to be able to do this, they are not out in the weather, expending energy, with little protection around them. As as a driver their safety from my vehicle is my responsibility, not the cyclists. Too many people these days are disrespectful to others and downright bone idle and lazy and think that the rules don't apply to them. It is time there was a clampdown NO EXCUSES! devilstail

5:22pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Chiqqy says...

I have to cycle to work because public transport where I live is rubbish and buses do not run early enough. Luckily I don't have to do this during rush hour and the roads are empty at 5AM.
On the way home is a different story though, the biggest problem are car drivers pulling out who just don't look.

On the other hand I see when it's still dark, cyclists without lights riding on the road.

Cycling is a good and cheap way to get around, but unfortunately a few drivers and cyclists make it dangerous.
I have to cycle to work because public transport where I live is rubbish and buses do not run early enough. Luckily I don't have to do this during rush hour and the roads are empty at 5AM. On the way home is a different story though, the biggest problem are car drivers pulling out who just don't look. On the other hand I see when it's still dark, cyclists without lights riding on the road. Cycling is a good and cheap way to get around, but unfortunately a few drivers and cyclists make it dangerous. Chiqqy

11:07pm Thu 25 Oct 12

rolly80 says...

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.
Rubbish!

I have a car, but choose to commute by bike. Many cyclists are the same. But as already stated - my car tax doesn't go towards the maintenance of roads. (they aren't maintained as far as I can see!)

I am a member of British Cycling, thus have 3rd party insurance.

I cannot understand the anger directed at cyclists. The road doesn't belong to car drivers, it is just as much my right to cycle down it.

- I cycle to keep fit, so hopefully won't need to use already strained NHS resources.

- I am relatively carbon neutral, not chucking out emissions whilst sitting in traffic

- I am not another car in the queue on your way to work

I would urge people banging on about how cyclists are breaking the law or getting in your way etc etc get out of your comfy cars and try riding a bike to work for a day. Then you'll realise how scary it is when you drive past giving us just an inch, or pull out on us at junctions.
[quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! I have a car, but choose to commute by bike. Many cyclists are the same. But as already stated - my car tax doesn't go towards the maintenance of roads. (they aren't maintained as far as I can see!) I am a member of British Cycling, thus have 3rd party insurance. I cannot understand the anger directed at cyclists. The road doesn't belong to car drivers, it is just as much my right to cycle down it. - I cycle to keep fit, so hopefully won't need to use already strained NHS resources. - I am relatively carbon neutral, not chucking out emissions whilst sitting in traffic - I am not another car in the queue on your way to work I would urge people banging on about how cyclists are breaking the law or getting in your way etc etc get out of your comfy cars and try riding a bike to work for a day. Then you'll realise how scary it is when you drive past giving us just an inch, or pull out on us at junctions. rolly80

11:15pm Thu 25 Oct 12

rolly80 says...

Also..

I believe helmet wear for under 16s should be compulsory.
Also.. I believe helmet wear for under 16s should be compulsory. rolly80

8:54am Fri 26 Oct 12

hammer says...

rolly80 wrote:
aerolover wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.
Rubbish! I have a car, but choose to commute by bike. Many cyclists are the same. But as already stated - my car tax doesn't go towards the maintenance of roads. (they aren't maintained as far as I can see!) I am a member of British Cycling, thus have 3rd party insurance. I cannot understand the anger directed at cyclists. The road doesn't belong to car drivers, it is just as much my right to cycle down it. - I cycle to keep fit, so hopefully won't need to use already strained NHS resources. - I am relatively carbon neutral, not chucking out emissions whilst sitting in traffic - I am not another car in the queue on your way to work I would urge people banging on about how cyclists are breaking the law or getting in your way etc etc get out of your comfy cars and try riding a bike to work for a day. Then you'll realise how scary it is when you drive past giving us just an inch, or pull out on us at junctions.
why do you need third party insurance if you as a cyclist never do anything wrong? What an eco warrior you are bless!
[quote][p][bold]rolly80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! I have a car, but choose to commute by bike. Many cyclists are the same. But as already stated - my car tax doesn't go towards the maintenance of roads. (they aren't maintained as far as I can see!) I am a member of British Cycling, thus have 3rd party insurance. I cannot understand the anger directed at cyclists. The road doesn't belong to car drivers, it is just as much my right to cycle down it. - I cycle to keep fit, so hopefully won't need to use already strained NHS resources. - I am relatively carbon neutral, not chucking out emissions whilst sitting in traffic - I am not another car in the queue on your way to work I would urge people banging on about how cyclists are breaking the law or getting in your way etc etc get out of your comfy cars and try riding a bike to work for a day. Then you'll realise how scary it is when you drive past giving us just an inch, or pull out on us at junctions.[/p][/quote]why do you need third party insurance if you as a cyclist never do anything wrong? What an eco warrior you are bless! hammer

10:46am Fri 26 Oct 12

Twingo says...

Imaximus wrote:
you guys all seem to assume that all cyclist break the law.....tut tut.
There are good drivers, and there are bad drivers.

There are good cyclists and there are bad cyclists.

Any vehicle should be used on the road in a manner considerate to all other road users, regardless of size or classification. Sadly the roads are over-run with selfish users, hence they jump lights, pull out of junctions into the path of oncoming vehicles, tailgate, cut up, don't give way, reverse out of driveways, etc and never wave to say thank you!

However as the most vulnerable users of the roads cyclists really should take responsibility to ensure their behaviour does not put them further at risk.
[quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: you guys all seem to assume that all cyclist break the law.....tut tut.[/p][/quote]There are good drivers, and there are bad drivers. There are good cyclists and there are bad cyclists. Any vehicle should be used on the road in a manner considerate to all other road users, regardless of size or classification. Sadly the roads are over-run with selfish users, hence they jump lights, pull out of junctions into the path of oncoming vehicles, tailgate, cut up, don't give way, reverse out of driveways, etc and never wave to say thank you! However as the most vulnerable users of the roads cyclists really should take responsibility to ensure their behaviour does not put them further at risk. Twingo

12:19pm Fri 26 Oct 12

rolly80 says...

hammer wrote:
rolly80 wrote:
aerolover wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.
Rubbish! I have a car, but choose to commute by bike. Many cyclists are the same. But as already stated - my car tax doesn't go towards the maintenance of roads. (they aren't maintained as far as I can see!) I am a member of British Cycling, thus have 3rd party insurance. I cannot understand the anger directed at cyclists. The road doesn't belong to car drivers, it is just as much my right to cycle down it. - I cycle to keep fit, so hopefully won't need to use already strained NHS resources. - I am relatively carbon neutral, not chucking out emissions whilst sitting in traffic - I am not another car in the queue on your way to work I would urge people banging on about how cyclists are breaking the law or getting in your way etc etc get out of your comfy cars and try riding a bike to work for a day. Then you'll realise how scary it is when you drive past giving us just an inch, or pull out on us at junctions.
why do you need third party insurance if you as a cyclist never do anything wrong? What an eco warrior you are bless!
Serious?
[quote][p][bold]hammer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolly80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! I have a car, but choose to commute by bike. Many cyclists are the same. But as already stated - my car tax doesn't go towards the maintenance of roads. (they aren't maintained as far as I can see!) I am a member of British Cycling, thus have 3rd party insurance. I cannot understand the anger directed at cyclists. The road doesn't belong to car drivers, it is just as much my right to cycle down it. - I cycle to keep fit, so hopefully won't need to use already strained NHS resources. - I am relatively carbon neutral, not chucking out emissions whilst sitting in traffic - I am not another car in the queue on your way to work I would urge people banging on about how cyclists are breaking the law or getting in your way etc etc get out of your comfy cars and try riding a bike to work for a day. Then you'll realise how scary it is when you drive past giving us just an inch, or pull out on us at junctions.[/p][/quote]why do you need third party insurance if you as a cyclist never do anything wrong? What an eco warrior you are bless![/p][/quote]Serious? rolly80

12:52pm Fri 26 Oct 12

downfader says...

rolly80 wrote:
hammer wrote:
rolly80 wrote:
aerolover wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.
Rubbish! I have a car, but choose to commute by bike. Many cyclists are the same. But as already stated - my car tax doesn't go towards the maintenance of roads. (they aren't maintained as far as I can see!) I am a member of British Cycling, thus have 3rd party insurance. I cannot understand the anger directed at cyclists. The road doesn't belong to car drivers, it is just as much my right to cycle down it. - I cycle to keep fit, so hopefully won't need to use already strained NHS resources. - I am relatively carbon neutral, not chucking out emissions whilst sitting in traffic - I am not another car in the queue on your way to work I would urge people banging on about how cyclists are breaking the law or getting in your way etc etc get out of your comfy cars and try riding a bike to work for a day. Then you'll realise how scary it is when you drive past giving us just an inch, or pull out on us at junctions.
why do you need third party insurance if you as a cyclist never do anything wrong? What an eco warrior you are bless!
Serious?
Hammer trolling. She has no real interest in debate, and ergo even listening.
[quote][p][bold]rolly80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolly80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if ALL cyclists had insurance and paid towards cycle lane with a road tax when riding on the road. That way if they were involved in a dispute over an accident then their insurance company could fight for them. No cyclists don't want to pay anything to ride on roads paid for by car driver tax and other taxes from car drivers.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! I have a car, but choose to commute by bike. Many cyclists are the same. But as already stated - my car tax doesn't go towards the maintenance of roads. (they aren't maintained as far as I can see!) I am a member of British Cycling, thus have 3rd party insurance. I cannot understand the anger directed at cyclists. The road doesn't belong to car drivers, it is just as much my right to cycle down it. - I cycle to keep fit, so hopefully won't need to use already strained NHS resources. - I am relatively carbon neutral, not chucking out emissions whilst sitting in traffic - I am not another car in the queue on your way to work I would urge people banging on about how cyclists are breaking the law or getting in your way etc etc get out of your comfy cars and try riding a bike to work for a day. Then you'll realise how scary it is when you drive past giving us just an inch, or pull out on us at junctions.[/p][/quote]why do you need third party insurance if you as a cyclist never do anything wrong? What an eco warrior you are bless![/p][/quote]Serious?[/p][/quote]Hammer trolling. She has no real interest in debate, and ergo even listening. downfader

12:53pm Fri 26 Oct 12

downfader says...

Flamin puter.. missed out an "is"

Incidentally this is worthy reading for any of the angry people on here bemoaning cyclists - the question is - do you have the balls to read it and take it to heart?

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-19746
515
Flamin puter.. missed out an "is" Incidentally this is worthy reading for any of the angry people on here bemoaning cyclists - the question is - do you have the balls to read it and take it to heart? http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-19746 515 downfader

1:13pm Fri 26 Oct 12

martaaay2 says...

Any road over 40 limit and the speed difference is just too much and things become particularly dangerous for cyclists.

I see on my drive home from Poole even when its raining and dark, a cyclist riding along the a35 national speed limit road between bakers arms and Bere Regis - can only assume this is natural selection at work...
Any road over 40 limit and the speed difference is just too much and things become particularly dangerous for cyclists. I see on my drive home from Poole even when its raining and dark, a cyclist riding along the a35 national speed limit road between bakers arms and Bere Regis - can only assume this is natural selection at work... martaaay2

7:55pm Fri 26 Oct 12

Bournefre says...

There may be less animosity toward cyclists if they followed the same rules as motorists, such as stopping at red lights, displaying a clear identification, using a constant white light at the front and constant red light at the back or flashing amber light to indicate a slow moving vehicle (not brilliant white strobe lights), signalling and acting on other motorists' signals; the other day I passed a cyclist at the top of my road, indicated to her that I was about to turn left, slowed down, checked for oncoming traffic, swung round to enter my driveway, and she tried to undertake me at speed. Had I not stopped in the middle of the road she would have been straight over my bonnet. Of course she screamed obscenities as she continued free-wheeling uncontrollably down the hill.
There may be less animosity toward cyclists if they followed the same rules as motorists, such as stopping at red lights, displaying a clear identification, using a constant white light at the front and constant red light at the back or flashing amber light to indicate a slow moving vehicle (not brilliant white strobe lights), signalling and acting on other motorists' signals; the other day I passed a cyclist at the top of my road, indicated to her that I was about to turn left, slowed down, checked for oncoming traffic, swung round to enter my driveway, and she tried to undertake me at speed. Had I not stopped in the middle of the road she would have been straight over my bonnet. Of course she screamed obscenities as she continued free-wheeling uncontrollably down the hill. Bournefre

9:46pm Sat 27 Oct 12

FNS-man says...

Twingo wrote:
Imaximus wrote:
you guys all seem to assume that all cyclist break the law.....tut tut.
There are good drivers, and there are bad drivers.

There are good cyclists and there are bad cyclists.

Any vehicle should be used on the road in a manner considerate to all other road users, regardless of size or classification. Sadly the roads are over-run with selfish users, hence they jump lights, pull out of junctions into the path of oncoming vehicles, tailgate, cut up, don't give way, reverse out of driveways, etc and never wave to say thank you!

However as the most vulnerable users of the roads cyclists really should take responsibility to ensure their behaviour does not put them further at risk.
When you go out on a Friday evening, the pubs and bars of Bournemouth are heaving. People beat each other up. Drunks vomit everywhere.

As the most vulnerable people, women really need to stop wearing short skirts and talking back to men. They need to take responsibility so their behaviour does not put them further at risk.
[quote][p][bold]Twingo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Imaximus[/bold] wrote: you guys all seem to assume that all cyclist break the law.....tut tut.[/p][/quote]There are good drivers, and there are bad drivers. There are good cyclists and there are bad cyclists. Any vehicle should be used on the road in a manner considerate to all other road users, regardless of size or classification. Sadly the roads are over-run with selfish users, hence they jump lights, pull out of junctions into the path of oncoming vehicles, tailgate, cut up, don't give way, reverse out of driveways, etc and never wave to say thank you! However as the most vulnerable users of the roads cyclists really should take responsibility to ensure their behaviour does not put them further at risk.[/p][/quote]When you go out on a Friday evening, the pubs and bars of Bournemouth are heaving. People beat each other up. Drunks vomit everywhere. As the most vulnerable people, women really need to stop wearing short skirts and talking back to men. They need to take responsibility so their behaviour does not put them further at risk. FNS-man

8:54am Tue 30 Oct 12

cbrndc says...

Bournefre wrote:
There may be less animosity toward cyclists if they followed the same rules as motorists, such as stopping at red lights, displaying a clear identification, using a constant white light at the front and constant red light at the back or flashing amber light to indicate a slow moving vehicle (not brilliant white strobe lights), signalling and acting on other motorists' signals; the other day I passed a cyclist at the top of my road, indicated to her that I was about to turn left, slowed down, checked for oncoming traffic, swung round to enter my driveway, and she tried to undertake me at speed. Had I not stopped in the middle of the road she would have been straight over my bonnet. Of course she screamed obscenities as she continued free-wheeling uncontrollably down the hill.
Highway Code Rule167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

...stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left...

Your driveway would count as a junction and you knew you were going to turn into it. Why did you feel the need to overtake the cyclist so close to your destination? You created the situation that the cyclist felt was dangerous and let you know it.

It would be good if motorists obeyed the Highway Code: jumping red lights, exceeding the speed limit, not indicating at roundabouts, having faulty lights, driving with foglights in good visibility, driving without VED, driving without insurance, driving without a license, driving while drunk, not having the common decency to stop after knocking down a cyclist or child pedestrian!
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: There may be less animosity toward cyclists if they followed the same rules as motorists, such as stopping at red lights, displaying a clear identification, using a constant white light at the front and constant red light at the back or flashing amber light to indicate a slow moving vehicle (not brilliant white strobe lights), signalling and acting on other motorists' signals; the other day I passed a cyclist at the top of my road, indicated to her that I was about to turn left, slowed down, checked for oncoming traffic, swung round to enter my driveway, and she tried to undertake me at speed. Had I not stopped in the middle of the road she would have been straight over my bonnet. Of course she screamed obscenities as she continued free-wheeling uncontrollably down the hill.[/p][/quote]Highway Code Rule167 DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example ...stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left... Your driveway would count as a junction and you knew you were going to turn into it. Why did you feel the need to overtake the cyclist so close to your destination? You created the situation that the cyclist felt was dangerous and let you know it. It would be good if motorists obeyed the Highway Code: jumping red lights, exceeding the speed limit, not indicating at roundabouts, having faulty lights, driving with foglights in good visibility, driving without VED, driving without insurance, driving without a license, driving while drunk, not having the common decency to stop after knocking down a cyclist or child pedestrian! cbrndc

4:04pm Tue 30 Oct 12

FNS-man says...

cbrndc wrote:
Bournefre wrote: There may be less animosity toward cyclists if they followed the same rules as motorists, such as stopping at red lights, displaying a clear identification, using a constant white light at the front and constant red light at the back or flashing amber light to indicate a slow moving vehicle (not brilliant white strobe lights), signalling and acting on other motorists' signals; the other day I passed a cyclist at the top of my road, indicated to her that I was about to turn left, slowed down, checked for oncoming traffic, swung round to enter my driveway, and she tried to undertake me at speed. Had I not stopped in the middle of the road she would have been straight over my bonnet. Of course she screamed obscenities as she continued free-wheeling uncontrollably down the hill.
Highway Code Rule167 DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example ...stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left... Your driveway would count as a junction and you knew you were going to turn into it. Why did you feel the need to overtake the cyclist so close to your destination? You created the situation that the cyclist felt was dangerous and let you know it. It would be good if motorists obeyed the Highway Code: jumping red lights, exceeding the speed limit, not indicating at roundabouts, having faulty lights, driving with foglights in good visibility, driving without VED, driving without insurance, driving without a license, driving while drunk, not having the common decency to stop after knocking down a cyclist or child pedestrian!
The classic left-hook. The signature move of the cr*p driver.
[quote][p][bold]cbrndc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: There may be less animosity toward cyclists if they followed the same rules as motorists, such as stopping at red lights, displaying a clear identification, using a constant white light at the front and constant red light at the back or flashing amber light to indicate a slow moving vehicle (not brilliant white strobe lights), signalling and acting on other motorists' signals; the other day I passed a cyclist at the top of my road, indicated to her that I was about to turn left, slowed down, checked for oncoming traffic, swung round to enter my driveway, and she tried to undertake me at speed. Had I not stopped in the middle of the road she would have been straight over my bonnet. Of course she screamed obscenities as she continued free-wheeling uncontrollably down the hill.[/p][/quote]Highway Code Rule167 DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example ...stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left... Your driveway would count as a junction and you knew you were going to turn into it. Why did you feel the need to overtake the cyclist so close to your destination? You created the situation that the cyclist felt was dangerous and let you know it. It would be good if motorists obeyed the Highway Code: jumping red lights, exceeding the speed limit, not indicating at roundabouts, having faulty lights, driving with foglights in good visibility, driving without VED, driving without insurance, driving without a license, driving while drunk, not having the common decency to stop after knocking down a cyclist or child pedestrian![/p][/quote]The classic left-hook. The signature move of the cr*p driver. FNS-man

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