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| CAUSING FRUSTRATION: Travellers have moved onto Redhill Common, angering residents and forcing a play scheme for 100 children to suspend its activities |
FRUSTRATED residents have vowed "enough is enough" after travellers again moved onto a popular beauty spot.
Householders said they were angry that police could only stand by and watch as 10 vehicles gained access to Redhill Common in Bournemouth on Sunday afternoon.
Stephanie Smith, 63, a retired PA for Bournemouth and Poole College, said action was needed promptly.
"If I or any other resident had driven onto the Common, would we have been arrested or moved off or would we have been in the travellers' seemingly privileged position of being immune to the law or local bylaws?"
Collette Dewey, an office manager and mum, said: "It's going to be hell on wheels up there until they are gone."
Father-of-three Lee Simms said the travellers' encampment had disrupted the supervised children's play scheme Boredom Busters, which council officials said was to have attracted 100 children.
His son Jack, eight, and other children were advised to attend other clubs running at Slades Farm and Pelhams Park.
Ward councillor Roger West said he was concerned the situation had been allowed to happen again.
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| DISAPPOINTED: Lee Simms with his son Jack, left, and friend James Blake, found Boredom Busters holiday club has moved because of the travellers |
"I'm appalled," he said.
"It should have been predicted that this was going to happen and that area should be better defended."
Councillor Peter Charon, cabinet member for housing and procurement at Bournemouth Borough Council, said they had successfully applied for an abridged hearing to fast-track the eviction process, which would be heard in court at 2pm today.
"I want to reassure residents we are trying everything we can to move as quickly as we possibly can and get this situation resolved," he said.
"We hope for a successful outcome."
Cllr Charon said the council and police had carried out a needs assessment and informed them they must move from council land. He said once the travellers were moved they would ensure the site was secure and cleaned.
Cllr Charon said the latest encampment highlighted the need for an authorised gypsy and traveller transit site in the town.
Under current law, police are unable to move travellers on until there is a designated travellers' site.
Bournemouth Borough Council is looking to provide a transit site at Millhams, but the plan has created controversy with residents.
Superintendent Stuart Katon of Dorset Police said police powers would be greatly enhanced if there were an official site and it would save taxpayers money on eviction and clean-up.
Bournemouth Borough Council said the gate had been padlocked and the travellers had broken onto the land.
6:00am Tuesday 5th August 2008
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Posted by: philly, bournemouth on 7:43am Tue 5 Aug 08
As someone said in the article, if you or I were to drive onto the Common & 'camp' we would be moved off. These people are ALWAYS moved on after the Court procedure, so here's an idea....The authorities move them all off the moment they arrive. Let them 'sue' for breach of their 'rights', go to Court and get the system to throw them all out of Court too with a freshly stamped eviction notice!In the meantime - no 'camping' on the Common!
As someone said in the article, if you or I were to drive onto the Common & 'camp' we would be moved off. These people are ALWAYS moved on after the Court procedure, so here's an idea....The authorities move them all off the moment they arrive. Let them 'sue' for breach of their 'rights', go to Court and get the system to throw them all out of Court too with a freshly stamped eviction notice!In the meantime - no 'camping' on the Common!
Posted by: 2Much, New Forest on 7:44am Tue 5 Aug 08
This is what is so wrong about our society, these boys aren't hanging about the streets, they have joined a club, that their tax paying Dad is paying for..then BAMM! They have been told to go to another club??!! NO....tell the travellers to get shot...and let these lads have their fun!!
This is what is so wrong about our society, these boys aren't hanging about the streets, they have joined a club, that their tax paying Dad is paying for..then BAMM! They have been told to go to another club??!! NO....tell the travellers to get shot...and let these lads have their fun!!
Posted by: Charlie on 8:42am Tue 5 Aug 08
Do the council/government seriously think these travellers will go to am authorised site, where they will have to pay rent and council tax, when they can park on other areas for free? They are naive of they do.
Do the council/government seriously think these travellers will go to am authorised site, where they will have to pay rent and council tax, when they can park on other areas for free? They are naive of they do.
Posted by: Nigel Gillespie, Bournemouth on 8:48am Tue 5 Aug 08
A while ago i had some travellers break into Kings Park.The good news was that the eviction order was still live from a previous eviction and the council had no requirement to go to court so therefore the eviction was virtually automatic.What is needed is a change in the law where illegal encampents and the eviction order will be live for some considerable time therefore making the eviction process quicker and cutting out the time of awaiting a court hearing.Obviously forum readers this is for you to pressure your MP's.
A while ago i had some travellers break into Kings Park.The good news was that the eviction order was still live from a previous eviction and the council had no requirement to go to court so therefore the eviction was virtually automatic.What is needed is a change in the law where illegal encampents and the eviction order will be live for some considerable time therefore making the eviction process quicker and cutting out the time of awaiting a court hearing.Obviously forum readers this is for you to pressure your MP's.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 8:51am Tue 5 Aug 08
Why is it that travellers always seem to want to take over green space in towns? There's thousands of square miles of countryside in Britain, but they keep coming back to the same old haunts in towns like Bournemouth. It's time the law was changed to evict them instantly with a statutory fine for criminal damage.
Why is it that travellers always seem to want to take over green space in towns? There's thousands of square miles of countryside in Britain, but they keep coming back to the same old haunts in towns like Bournemouth. It's time the law was changed to evict them instantly with a statutory fine for criminal damage.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:03am Tue 5 Aug 08
As I have said before, and in agreement with Charlie above, if Bournemouth Council or any other Council think that a purpose built Travellers Site is going to be the answer then they are highly mistaken.
These people go from town to town, or move around within a town to enhance what businesses they tend to carry out. They have never paid any Council Tax or Rent, and I doubt very much they will start now. Secondly we have a group of 10 at Redhill Common. With a proposed site of 15, do you really think that this will be enough. No doubt there are other travellers heading this way, or who are already in Dorset/Bournemouth waiting for the mobile phone to ring to say "Come on, its all clear".
Purpose built sites will not work. Just get rid of them.
As I have said before, and in agreement with Charlie above, if Bournemouth Council or any other Council think that a purpose built Travellers Site is going to be the answer then they are highly mistaken.
These people go from town to town, or move around within a town to enhance what businesses they tend to carry out. They have never paid any Council Tax or Rent, and I doubt very much they will start now. Secondly we have a group of 10 at Redhill Common. With a proposed site of 15, do you really think that this will be enough. No doubt there are other travellers heading this way, or who are already in Dorset/Bournemouth waiting for the mobile phone to ring to say "Come on, its all clear".
Purpose built sites will not work. Just get rid of them.
Posted by: bongo, bournemouth on 9:20am Tue 5 Aug 08
I agree with Christopher and Charlie these people don't want to pay for anything unless they have to none of their vehicles have road tax I doubt that they pay a TV licence and they are unlikely to pay a site fee.When will the powers that be face up to their responsibilities ..Political correctness [bold]Hmm.[/bold] Political cowardice more like.
I agree with Christopher and Charlie these people don't want to pay for anything unless they have to none of their vehicles have road tax I doubt that they pay a TV licence and they are unlikely to pay a site fee.When will the powers that be face up to their responsibilities ..Political correctness
Hmm. Political cowardice more like.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 9:26am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote]Cllr Charon said the latest encampment highlighted the need for an authorised gypsy and traveller transit site in the town.
Under current law, police are unable to move travellers on until there is a designated travellers' site.[/quote]
There are official camping sites, plenty of them, and this is where they should go, as the rest of us do.
Cllr Charon is advocating a policy of appraisement. It never worked in the past and it will not work now. To allow the travellers to win on this one is to create future futher demands of the legitimate taxpayer. An income for life perhaps, to reduce the drug and crime problems that seem to follow the travellers, as observed by residents.
Cllr Charon was elected to represent the interests of the residents. He should do so and condemn the illegal activities of the nomadic travellers. I hope and expect him to be voted out at the next elections.
[italic]A constructive suggestion.[/italic]
The government has said that councils must ‘identify sites’ for travellers. Actually there are undeveloped and abandoned areas in Northern Scotland and it’s islands where these wandering people could be sent. There are even abandoned stone homes and villages that could be rebuilt. Have a look on Google Earth. They could then rebuild these villages and crofts and live independent proud free lives, freed from the humiliation of having to accept money and support from the tax payer.
Australia was built like this, and the America West was ‘won’ . Perhaps Scotland’s north could be rebuilt in a similar fashion.
The council could identify these sites.
Cllr Charon said the latest encampment highlighted the need for an authorised gypsy and traveller transit site in the town.
Under current law, police are unable to move travellers on until there is a designated travellers' site.
There are official camping sites, plenty of them, and this is where they should go, as the rest of us do.
Cllr Charon is advocating a policy of appraisement. It never worked in the past and it will not work now. To allow the travellers to win on this one is to create future futher demands of the legitimate taxpayer. An income for life perhaps, to reduce the drug and crime problems that seem to follow the travellers, as observed by residents.
Cllr Charon was elected to represent the interests of the residents. He should do so and condemn the illegal activities of the nomadic travellers. I hope and expect him to be voted out at the next elections.
A constructive suggestion.
The government has said that councils must ‘identify sites’ for travellers. Actually there are undeveloped and abandoned areas in Northern Scotland and it’s islands where these wandering people could be sent. There are even abandoned stone homes and villages that could be rebuilt. Have a look on Google Earth. They could then rebuild these villages and crofts and live independent proud free lives, freed from the humiliation of having to accept money and support from the tax payer.
Australia was built like this, and the America West was ‘won’ . Perhaps Scotland’s north could be rebuilt in a similar fashion.
The council could identify these sites.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 9:29am Tue 5 Aug 08
The gypsy already have their own sites and do not need any more. Once again there is the deliberate confusion between the Romany Gypsy and the traveller.
The gypsy already have their own sites and do not need any more. Once again there is the deliberate confusion between the Romany Gypsy and the traveller.
Posted by: Nigel Gillespie, Bournemouth on 9:40am Tue 5 Aug 08
I am in total agreement with the other forum readers on the issue of the proposed travellers site.For a start the site would not be big enough to allow others access.The site composes of 10 places each one allowed to stay for 3 months.I have emailed Sue Bickler,Head of Strategic Services with questions,some remain unanswered.The landlord of the site will be the BCHA who for some readers who live in my old area of Boscombe has a terrible reputation for management of their homes.My question to Supt Stuart Katon is "That if the site is full where are you going to put them.I will answer that myself "Leave them where they are"So nothing changed and the problem continues.
I am in total agreement with the other forum readers on the issue of the proposed travellers site.For a start the site would not be big enough to allow others access.The site composes of 10 places each one allowed to stay for 3 months.I have emailed Sue Bickler,Head of Strategic Services with questions,some remain unanswered.The landlord of the site will be the BCHA who for some readers who live in my old area of Boscombe has a terrible reputation for management of their homes.My question to Supt Stuart Katon is "That if the site is full where are you going to put them.I will answer that myself "Leave them where they are"So nothing changed and the problem continues.
Posted by: aviewoneverything, Bournemouth on 10:21am Tue 5 Aug 08
Hang on, lets read the last paragraph of the story once more...
[italic]"Bournemouth Borough Council said the gate had been padlocked and the travellers had broken onto the land."[/italic] If this is the case then why have they not only been evicted immediately but charged with breaking an entry and trespassing? Does the same liberty extend to these scroungers of society if they break into our houses?
I for one am fed up with being a law abiding, tax paying public spirited citizen yet being constantly mocked by the actions of these travellers. Enough is enough...it is time for us to take back our land!
Hang on, lets read the last paragraph of the story once more...
"Bournemouth Borough Council said the gate had been padlocked and the travellers had broken onto the land." If this is the case then why have they not only been evicted immediately but charged with breaking an entry and trespassing? Does the same liberty extend to these scroungers of society if they break into our houses?
I for one am fed up with being a law abiding, tax paying public spirited citizen yet being constantly mocked by the actions of these travellers. Enough is enough...it is time for us to take back our land!
Posted by: Charlie on 10:28am Tue 5 Aug 08
[bold]"Actually there are undeveloped and abandoned areas in Northern Scotland and it’s islands where these wandering people could be sent."[/bold]
But there's nowhere n these places where they could do their dodgy building and tarmaccing for exhorbitant prices. If no-one agreed for them to do "work", there'd be no reason for them to come here. I do not buy, change utilities, allow work, or part with money in any way from anyone who knocks on my door. That guarantees that I won't do business with them even if they have a good product.
"Actually there are undeveloped and abandoned areas in Northern Scotland and it’s islands where these wandering people could be sent."
But there's nowhere n these places where they could do their dodgy building and tarmaccing for exhorbitant prices. If no-one agreed for them to do "work", there'd be no reason for them to come here. I do not buy, change utilities, allow work, or part with money in any way from anyone who knocks on my door. That guarantees that I won't do business with them even if they have a good product.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 10:36am Tue 5 Aug 08
A comment in another set of comments (that seem to have disappeared) said that the gate had been left unlocked, and so the travellers had seized the opportunity to camp, using their top of the range mobiles to communicate to one another.
The police who, in response to calls from the alarmed residents and legitimate users of the park, arrived to check the situation had the gate relocked.
I wonder if these locks can be picked? HM Prisons provide world leading (unofficial) courses in this sort of thing with volunteer inmates doing the (unofficial) teaching.
A comment in another set of comments (that seem to have disappeared) said that the gate had been left unlocked, and so the travellers had seized the opportunity to camp, using their top of the range mobiles to communicate to one another.
The police who, in response to calls from the alarmed residents and legitimate users of the park, arrived to check the situation had the gate relocked.
I wonder if these locks can be picked? HM Prisons provide world leading (unofficial) courses in this sort of thing with volunteer inmates doing the (unofficial) teaching.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 10:37am Tue 5 Aug 08
My above comment was intended for aviewoneverything, Bournemouth on 10:21am today
My above comment was intended for aviewoneverything, Bournemouth on 10:21am today
Posted by: Moordown_lad, Moordown on 10:48am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]aviewoneverything[/bold] wrote:
Hang on, lets read the last paragraph of the story once more... [italic]"Bournemouth Borough Council said the gate had been padlocked and the travellers had broken onto the land."[/italic] If this is the case then why have they not only been evicted immediately but charged with breaking an entry and trespassing? Does the same liberty extend to these scroungers of society if they break into our houses? I for one am fed up with being a law abiding, tax paying public spirited citizen yet being constantly mocked by the actions of these travellers. Enough is enough...it is time for us to take back our land![/quote] firstly someone would have had to have witnessed the alledged criminal damage, then identify the offender, then if they were charged with criminal damage then they would have to remain where they are until the case came to court, then if a custodial sentence were imposed anyone associated with the offender could also remain where they are until they were released for jail.
aviewoneverything wrote:
Hang on, lets read the last paragraph of the story once more... "Bournemouth Borough Council said the gate had been padlocked and the travellers had broken onto the land." If this is the case then why have they not only been evicted immediately but charged with breaking an entry and trespassing? Does the same liberty extend to these scroungers of society if they break into our houses? I for one am fed up with being a law abiding, tax paying public spirited citizen yet being constantly mocked by the actions of these travellers. Enough is enough...it is time for us to take back our land!
firstly someone would have had to have witnessed the alledged criminal damage, then identify the offender, then if they were charged with criminal damage then they would have to remain where they are until the case came to court, then if a custodial sentence were imposed anyone associated with the offender could also remain where they are until they were released for jail.
Posted by: adrian fudge, boscombe east on 11:05am Tue 5 Aug 08
I can understand that because of the way the Law relating to the removal of these travellors works that we have to get get an eviction order for those on the land but surely the gate could be resecured to prevent any more people getting onto the site
If the gate was then manned ,with a police presence , those on the site could be allowed to leave but again not get back onto the site.
I can't see how this would effect their "rights" since they are in an area where they should not be and we are not preventing them leaving.Not being able to bring their vehicles back onto the site would a)inconvenience them and b)stop them bringing debris back from the cash in hand jobs they are doing
This suggestion might not be strictly correct but if tested at law I can not believe that a court would say that a council had to open a gate to allow vehicles to be able to access a public open space especially as in the case it is "5 Parks Charity land"
It would be worth tthe cost of trying it to see what the result was
I can understand that because of the way the Law relating to the removal of these travellors works that we have to get get an eviction order for those on the land but surely the gate could be resecured to prevent any more people getting onto the site
If the gate was then manned ,with a police presence , those on the site could be allowed to leave but again not get back onto the site.
I can't see how this would effect their "rights" since they are in an area where they should not be and we are not preventing them leaving.Not being able to bring their vehicles back onto the site would a)inconvenience them and b)stop them bringing debris back from the cash in hand jobs they are doing
This suggestion might not be strictly correct but if tested at law I can not believe that a court would say that a council had to open a gate to allow vehicles to be able to access a public open space especially as in the case it is "5 Parks Charity land"
It would be worth tthe cost of trying it to see what the result was
Posted by: Hugh, Bournemouth on 11:08am Tue 5 Aug 08
Charlie on 10:28am today
Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from.
Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for.
Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated.
Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth.
So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps?
If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset.
Charlie on 10:28am today
Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from.
Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for.
Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated.
Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth.
So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps?
If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset.
Posted by: kelly, bournemouth on 11:15am Tue 5 Aug 08
why should we have to put up with this. move them on we should'nt have to wait 28 days for the courts and in an hour the peaper work should and moveing the on be done. get the off.
why should we have to put up with this. move them on we should'nt have to wait 28 days for the courts and in an hour the peaper work should and moveing the on be done. get the off.
Posted by: bosmike, Boscombe on 11:16am Tue 5 Aug 08
I am led to beleive that a county has to provide a camp for travellers not a town so its Dorsets problem not just ours [bold]bold[/bold] ours.correct me if I am wrong?
I am led to beleive that a county has to provide a camp for travellers not a town so its Dorsets problem not just ours ours.correct me if I am wrong?
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 11:19am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold] Hugh[/bold] wrote:
Charlie on 10:28am today Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from. Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for. Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated. Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth. So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps? If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset. [/quote] And they all lived happily ever after...
How do they "earn" their money? Hmmmmm I wonder.
Hugh wrote:
Charlie on 10:28am today Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from. Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for. Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated. Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth. So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps? If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset.
And they all lived happily ever after...
How do they "earn" their money? Hmmmmm I wonder.
Posted by: kelly, bournemouth on 11:24am Tue 5 Aug 08
l hope the council are going to get a better lock for slades farm dont want them there to. it was left in a right s*** hole last time.
l hope the council are going to get a better lock for slades farm dont want them there to. it was left in a right s*** hole last time.
Posted by: Simonh Crane, Bournemouth on 11:41am Tue 5 Aug 08
one thing about travellers is that they demonstrate the power of the people. 15 caravans 4 occupants per caravan 60people that strike the fear of god into the establishment.
how about we turn the tables march on the site and evict them ourselves. what would they do if 200+ people descended?
one thing about travellers is that they demonstrate the power of the people. 15 caravans 4 occupants per caravan 60people that strike the fear of god into the establishment.
how about we turn the tables march on the site and evict them ourselves. what would they do if 200+ people descended?
Posted by: Geoff, Kinson on 11:43am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold] Hugh[/bold] wrote:
Charlie on 10:28am today Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from. Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for. Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated. Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth. So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps? If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset. [/quote] From my information Hugh, those "travellers" who have visited Bournemouth in the past have had large homes in the north or Ireland. Don't sound like miners do they ?
Am I correct in saying that they are not on Redhill Common itself but on the football pitches ?
Regarding locks, I understand it was found in the gutter.Bolt cutters I presume ? Luckily the Council are now fitting more secure gates with the locks hidden !
Hugh wrote:
Charlie on 10:28am today Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from. Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for. Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated. Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth. So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps? If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset.
From my information Hugh, those "travellers" who have visited Bournemouth in the past have had large homes in the north or Ireland. Don't sound like miners do they ?
Am I correct in saying that they are not on Redhill Common itself but on the football pitches ?
Regarding locks, I understand it was found in the gutter.Bolt cutters I presume ? Luckily the Council are now fitting more secure gates with the locks hidden !
Posted by: Simonh Crane, Bournemouth on 12:03pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold] Hugh[/bold] wrote:
Charlie on 10:28am today Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from. Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for. Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated. Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth. So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps? If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset. [/quote] it is a spill over from the 80's that is true but not due to some wrong by the then government. the original "travellers" (not Romanys) were all children of the 60s and 70s and come from the Rave culture that developed at the time Spiral Tribe etc, the whole thing was about finding a field and getting off your head then moving to the next one. they had a good time stayed in there caravans and here we are.......
Hugh wrote:
Charlie on 10:28am today Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from. Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for. Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated. Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth. So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps? If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset.
it is a spill over from the 80's that is true but not due to some wrong by the then government. the original "travellers" (not Romanys) were all children of the 60s and 70s and come from the Rave culture that developed at the time Spiral Tribe etc, the whole thing was about finding a field and getting off your head then moving to the next one. they had a good time stayed in there caravans and here we are.......
Posted by: neil, bournemouth on 12:04pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Maybe it is time to tackle the problem from a different angle. Use other agencies to inforce other laws for example: Littering, enviromental damage, inland revenue, benefit enfringements, dvla etc etc they will soon go elsewhere if other angencies start poking their noses into their business.
Maybe it is time to tackle the problem from a different angle. Use other agencies to inforce other laws for example: Littering, enviromental damage, inland revenue, benefit enfringements, dvla etc etc they will soon go elsewhere if other angencies start poking their noses into their business.
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 12:11pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Surely the majority are of Irish origins? Leaving Ireland where they had "a reputation" which made life difficult and headed over to England where things are easier and more, ermmm, anonymous.
Surely the majority are of Irish origins? Leaving Ireland where they had "a reputation" which made life difficult and headed over to England where things are easier and more, ermmm, anonymous.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 12:14pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Hi Geoff. Yes they are on the sports fields, to the right as one comes up Redhill Avenue from the roundabout at Whitelegg Way and Wimborne Road. This is the area used by Boredom Busters during the school holidays.
As you know this area is all part of what is known as Redhill Common, which is bounded by Redhill Avenue and Redhill Drive, and the piece of land behind the Horse and Jockey pub.
Hi Geoff. Yes they are on the sports fields, to the right as one comes up Redhill Avenue from the roundabout at Whitelegg Way and Wimborne Road. This is the area used by Boredom Busters during the school holidays.
As you know this area is all part of what is known as Redhill Common, which is bounded by Redhill Avenue and Redhill Drive, and the piece of land behind the Horse and Jockey pub.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 12:15pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]neil[/bold] wrote:
Maybe it is time to tackle the problem from a different angle. Use other agencies to inforce other laws for example: Littering, enviromental damage, inland revenue, benefit enfringements, dvla etc etc they will soon go elsewhere if other angencies start poking their noses into their business.[/quote] Good suggestion!
The notorious Al Capone, a top American gangster, evaded all the law enforcing agencies until the tax people noticed him. His fate was then sealed!
Perhaps if the prosperity of the travellers were to be brought to the attention of the Inland Revenue, it's power would immediately resolve the wandering nomad problem!!
[bold]HA!
[italic]: )[/italic] [/bold]
neil wrote:
Maybe it is time to tackle the problem from a different angle. Use other agencies to inforce other laws for example: Littering, enviromental damage, inland revenue, benefit enfringements, dvla etc etc they will soon go elsewhere if other angencies start poking their noses into their business.
Good suggestion!
The notorious Al Capone, a top American gangster, evaded all the law enforcing agencies until the tax people noticed him. His fate was then sealed!
Perhaps if the prosperity of the travellers were to be brought to the attention of the Inland Revenue, it's power would immediately resolve the wandering nomad problem!!
HA!
: ) Posted by: m baxendine, bournemouth on 12:15pm Tue 5 Aug 08
I am sure that many other Counties encounter this problem??? Do they all have to go through this archaic procedure to evict these anti social people? It's about time that the "**** of a law" was brought up to date and give the authorities the power to move them on as soon as they are made aware of the arrival of these individuals.As a motorcaravan owner myself I am absolutely sure that I would be moved on instantly if I decided to pull in on the common???????
I am sure that many other Counties encounter this problem??? Do they all have to go through this archaic procedure to evict these anti social people? It's about time that the "**** of a law" was brought up to date and give the authorities the power to move them on as soon as they are made aware of the arrival of these individuals.As a motorcaravan owner myself I am absolutely sure that I would be moved on instantly if I decided to pull in on the common???????
Posted by: Moordown_lad, Moordown on 12:19pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Geoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold] Hugh[/bold] wrote: Charlie on 10:28am today Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from. Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for. Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated. Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth. So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps? If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset. [/quote] From my information Hugh, those "travellers" who have visited Bournemouth in the past have had large homes in the north or Ireland. Don't sound like miners do they ? Am I correct in saying that they are not on Redhill Common itself but on the football pitches ? Regarding locks, I understand it was found in the gutter.Bolt cutters I presume ? Luckily the Council are now fitting more secure gates with the locks hidden ![/quote] The gates at Redhill are supposedly the secure type with hidden locks, but if you are determined enough then you can cut through anything.
Geoff wrote:
Hugh wrote: Charlie on 10:28am today Good point but do they rely on this work? I would like to know what they are living on, and where they come from. Many years in the past the wandering nomad seeking a living (and life) was required by the 'poor laws' of the time to return to the village of their origin. The local Christian authority was then required to help them. Hence the setting up of work houses where poor displaced people could be given work, and a home, and decently cared for. Having talked to travellers over the years I have the impression that they may well be the economically displaced worker from the Thatcher era where huge numbers of people, mainly men, were deprived of their livelihoods and left to rot on the dole. In particular the poor miners and the mining communities that, with the closing down of the coal industry, became dilapidated. Some disenchanted people seem to have taken to the road in order to seek a better life. I think this may well be the origins of some of the travellers. If this is the case then it could explain the mystifying support they get from influential people, such as Sue Bickler, the council's head of strategic services, and of course the total lack of tolerance from Thatcher Tory Bournemouth. So what do they live on; casual labour on the great aristocratic farming estates perhaps? If the above is accurate, then I think the travellers should return to their place of origin, and proper provision needs to be made for these devastated communities, until such time as the coal, once again, becomes a viable national asset.
From my information Hugh, those "travellers" who have visited Bournemouth in the past have had large homes in the north or Ireland. Don't sound like miners do they ? Am I correct in saying that they are not on Redhill Common itself but on the football pitches ? Regarding locks, I understand it was found in the gutter.Bolt cutters I presume ? Luckily the Council are now fitting more secure gates with the locks hidden !
The gates at Redhill are supposedly the secure type with hidden locks, but if you are determined enough then you can cut through anything.
Posted by: Moordown_lad, Moordown on 12:23pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]adrian fudge[/bold] wrote:
I can understand that because of the way the Law relating to the removal of these travellors works that we have to get get an eviction order for those on the land but surely the gate could be resecured to prevent any more people getting onto the site If the gate was then manned ,with a police presence , those on the site could be allowed to leave but again not get back onto the site. I can't see how this would effect their "rights" since they are in an area where they should not be and we are not preventing them leaving.Not being able to bring their vehicles back onto the site would a)inconvenience them and b)stop them bringing debris back from the cash in hand jobs they are doing This suggestion might not be strictly correct but if tested at law I can not believe that a court would say that a council had to open a gate to allow vehicles to be able to access a public open space especially as in the case it is "5 Parks Charity land" It would be worth tthe cost of trying it to see what the result was[/quote] I agree, there were 2 police officers and 2 parks officers in attendance and one of them had parked his vehicle in the gatewat to prevent further access. But why they couldn't just lock the gate as Adrian suggested I don't know.
adrian fudge wrote:
I can understand that because of the way the Law relating to the removal of these travellors works that we have to get get an eviction order for those on the land but surely the gate could be resecured to prevent any more people getting onto the site If the gate was then manned ,with a police presence , those on the site could be allowed to leave but again not get back onto the site. I can't see how this would effect their "rights" since they are in an area where they should not be and we are not preventing them leaving.Not being able to bring their vehicles back onto the site would a)inconvenience them and b)stop them bringing debris back from the cash in hand jobs they are doing This suggestion might not be strictly correct but if tested at law I can not believe that a court would say that a council had to open a gate to allow vehicles to be able to access a public open space especially as in the case it is "5 Parks Charity land" It would be worth tthe cost of trying it to see what the result was
I agree, there were 2 police officers and 2 parks officers in attendance and one of them had parked his vehicle in the gatewat to prevent further access. But why they couldn't just lock the gate as Adrian suggested I don't know.
Posted by: Amanda, A mortgaged house off redhill park!!! on 1:11pm Tue 5 Aug 08
No matter how much I would love to go up there and demonstrate the power of the people in front of these "travellers" I fear it would still do no good. What could we possibly do that would scare them off. Bang pots and pans, shout "Get off our land", give me a stern look??? NOPE you can guarantee that the police would be there to protect THEIR human rights, and we will be the ones arrested for public disorder. I think it is disgusting that they can break onto the land and yet STILL can't be told to move on. Keep upto date with the latest local news at www.wintonforum.co.u
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No matter how much I would love to go up there and demonstrate the power of the people in front of these "travellers" I fear it would still do no good. What could we possibly do that would scare them off. Bang pots and pans, shout "Get off our land", give me a stern look??? NOPE you can guarantee that the police would be there to protect THEIR human rights, and we will be the ones arrested for public disorder. I think it is disgusting that they can break onto the land and yet STILL can't be told to move on. Keep upto date with the latest local news at www.wintonforum.co.u
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Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 1:46pm Tue 5 Aug 08
The only way that these people can be removed is through the correct channels, all be it they are some what draconian, and take time to activate. What we need is for the rulings to be changed so that Council or Police action can be taken immediately. This is where both Winton Ward Councillors can get together and begin to sort this matter out for future use.
Provoking violence, whether in jest or not is not the way to go about it. It will also deny us the only channel we have to express our opinions if this is closed because of the said threats.
Everyone in the Winton Wards write to, email your councillor. This is the initial way to start the ball rolling.
The only way that these people can be removed is through the correct channels, all be it they are some what draconian, and take time to activate. What we need is for the rulings to be changed so that Council or Police action can be taken immediately. This is where both Winton Ward Councillors can get together and begin to sort this matter out for future use.
Provoking violence, whether in jest or not is not the way to go about it. It will also deny us the only channel we have to express our opinions if this is closed because of the said threats.
Everyone in the Winton Wards write to, email your councillor. This is the initial way to start the ball rolling.
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 1:47pm Tue 5 Aug 08
I see lots of comments have been deleted, perhaps for suggesting the 'visitors' are not wholly law abiding.
Would these deletions be another form of "distraction crime"?
I see lots of comments have been deleted, perhaps for suggesting the 'visitors' are not wholly law abiding.
Would these deletions be another form of "distraction crime"?
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 1:50pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Christopher[/bold] wrote:
The only way that these people can be removed is through the correct channels, all be it they are some what draconian, and take time to activate. What we need is for the rulings to be changed so that Council or Police action can be taken immediately. This is where both Winton Ward Councillors can get together and begin to sort this matter out for future use. Provoking violence, whether in jest or not is not the way to go about it. It will also deny us the only channel we have to express our opinions if this is closed because of the said threats. Everyone in the Winton Wards write to, email your councillor. This is the initial way to start the ball rolling. [/quote] I agree with Christopher.
Violence is not the answer.
(They're dead hard!)
Christopher wrote:
The only way that these people can be removed is through the correct channels, all be it they are some what draconian, and take time to activate. What we need is for the rulings to be changed so that Council or Police action can be taken immediately. This is where both Winton Ward Councillors can get together and begin to sort this matter out for future use. Provoking violence, whether in jest or not is not the way to go about it. It will also deny us the only channel we have to express our opinions if this is closed because of the said threats. Everyone in the Winton Wards write to, email your councillor. This is the initial way to start the ball rolling.
I agree with Christopher.
Violence is not the answer.
(They're dead hard!)
Posted by: Norman Biddlecombe, London on 1:53pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Don't like Gypsies or Travellers much do you ?
We had literally dozens of travellers camping illegally in my borough with the same response.
The council provided two more legal sites charging rent,tax etc.
Now travellers passing through are given the option of staying on the legal sites or being almost imm
ediately moved on.
If you want to campaign for anything make it giving the council the right to forceably tow illegally parked caravans to a legal site.
Solves your problem without the incitements to violence from your 'law abiding' home owners.
Many of the travellers settled permanently on the sites, sent their kids to school and are now running small legal businesses. The women were even involved in writing a book called Moving Stories ISBN 09519323 0 6 about their early lives. Try reading it and you might learn the reality of travelling life.
With a bit of long term planning and less hatred and intolerance you can solve most of the problem of illegal sites. It happened where I live and we do not like or dislike Travelllers any more than you.
Don't like Gypsies or Travellers much do you ?
We had literally dozens of travellers camping illegally in my borough with the same response.
The council provided two more legal sites charging rent,tax etc.
Now travellers passing through are given the option of staying on the legal sites or being almost imm
ediately moved on.
If you want to campaign for anything make it giving the council the right to forceably tow illegally parked caravans to a legal site.
Solves your problem without the incitements to violence from your 'law abiding' home owners.
Many of the travellers settled permanently on the sites, sent their kids to school and are now running small legal businesses. The women were even involved in writing a book called Moving Stories ISBN 09519323 0 6 about their early lives. Try reading it and you might learn the reality of travelling life.
With a bit of long term planning and less hatred and intolerance you can solve most of the problem of illegal sites. It happened where I live and we do not like or dislike Travelllers any more than you.
Posted by: bob_bournemouth, Christchurch on 2:26pm Tue 5 Aug 08
This is a simple case of laws which require changing to reflect the wishes of the voters.
Sadly till this is done these "travellers" will inflict misery on the rest of society.
I have always advocated the best way to discourage them would be to send in a team of mobile tax inspectors. Lots of questions regarding how they had paid for the top of the range caravans and 4x4's would be most unwelcome. Especially when asked to provide evidence of the tax paid on these earnings, and the VAT they may well also be liable for (ask any legitimate small businessman about that one!).
This is a simple case of laws which require changing to reflect the wishes of the voters.
Sadly till this is done these "travellers" will inflict misery on the rest of society.
I have always advocated the best way to discourage them would be to send in a team of mobile tax inspectors. Lots of questions regarding how they had paid for the top of the range caravans and 4x4's would be most unwelcome. Especially when asked to provide evidence of the tax paid on these earnings, and the VAT they may well also be liable for (ask any legitimate small businessman about that one!).
Posted by: Steve Clarke, Bournemouth on 2:26pm Tue 5 Aug 08
WATCH OUT HENGISTBURY HEAD IT IS YOUR TURN NEXT
WATCH OUT HENGISTBURY HEAD IT IS YOUR TURN NEXT
Posted by: bob_bournemouth, Christchurch on 2:27pm Tue 5 Aug 08
This is a simple case of laws which require changing to reflect the wishes of the voters.
Sadly till this is done these "travellers" will inflict misery on the rest of society.
I have always advocated the best way to discourage them would be to send in a team of mobile tax inspectors. Lots of questions regarding how they had paid for the top of the range caravans and 4x4's would be most unwelcome. Especially when asked to provide evidence of the tax paid on these earnings, and the VAT they may well also be liable for (ask any legitimate small businessman about that one!).
This is a simple case of laws which require changing to reflect the wishes of the voters.
Sadly till this is done these "travellers" will inflict misery on the rest of society.
I have always advocated the best way to discourage them would be to send in a team of mobile tax inspectors. Lots of questions regarding how they had paid for the top of the range caravans and 4x4's would be most unwelcome. Especially when asked to provide evidence of the tax paid on these earnings, and the VAT they may well also be liable for (ask any legitimate small businessman about that one!).
Posted by: scorpio3, dorset on 2:53pm Tue 5 Aug 08
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 3:12pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]scorpio3[/bold] wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...[/quote] I think it shows a lot of people who have heard of or seen some really really nasty things associated with this form of transient.
Does anyone have eldery family or friends in this area? Could you HAND ON HEART say you would not worry one jot if they got a knock on their front door from one of our 'temporary friends'?
Be honest.
scorpio3 wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...
I think it shows a lot of people who have heard of or seen some really really nasty things associated with this form of transient.
Does anyone have eldery family or friends in this area? Could you HAND ON HEART say you would not worry one jot if they got a knock on their front door from one of our 'temporary friends'?
Be honest.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 3:19pm Tue 5 Aug 08
I have not personally, but I know of many who have.
I have not personally, but I know of many who have.
Posted by: Geoff, Kinson on 3:34pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]scorpio3[/bold] wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...[/quote] So you are quite happy to pay for the mess and damage that these people leave through your Council tax? By the way, this government is putting a lot of money into providing permanent sites for them. As Norman said earlier and as one of my ward Councillors has stated elsewhere, they do work !
scorpio3 wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...
So you are quite happy to pay for the mess and damage that these people leave through your Council tax? By the way, this government is putting a lot of money into providing permanent sites for them. As Norman said earlier and as one of my ward Councillors has stated elsewhere, they do work !
Posted by: the owl, b regis on 3:48pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Top picture, at least they are good gardeners they have made a splendid job of the grass it looks miles better than dean court send em round Petes.
Top picture, at least they are good gardeners they have made a splendid job of the grass it looks miles better than dean court send em round Petes.
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 3:52pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]the owl[/bold] wrote:
Top picture, at least they are good gardeners they have made a splendid job of the grass it looks miles better than dean court send em round Petes.[/quote] Made me laugh.
the owl wrote:
Top picture, at least they are good gardeners they have made a splendid job of the grass it looks miles better than dean court send em round Petes.
Made me laugh.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 3:59pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]the owl[/bold] wrote:
Top picture, at least they are good gardeners they have made a splendid job of the grass it looks miles better than dean court send em round Petes.[/quote] I could do with a hand on the allotment,thanks "owl".I wonder if "john poole" is strong enough to do a bit of weeding.
the owl wrote:
Top picture, at least they are good gardeners they have made a splendid job of the grass it looks miles better than dean court send em round Petes.
I could do with a hand on the allotment,thanks "owl".I wonder if "john poole" is strong enough to do a bit of weeding.
Posted by: Big Rich, Ferndown on 4:00pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]scorpio3[/bold] wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...[/quote] So does that include Kings Park couple of years ago when they wrecked all the football pitches.
Cost a fortune in cleaning up. Cost couple of businesses around there 2 months wages.
Through excrement in people gardens. Think you find everyone was pretty happy hear until they showed up.
You idiot!!
scorpio3 wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...
So does that include Kings Park couple of years ago when they wrecked all the football pitches.
Cost a fortune in cleaning up. Cost couple of businesses around there 2 months wages.
Through excrement in people gardens. Think you find everyone was pretty happy hear until they showed up.
You idiot!!
Posted by: WIGGINS, BOURNEMOUTH on 4:01pm Tue 5 Aug 08
If members of the public went up to the Common to confront the travellers The police would arrest them under the Public Order Act.
If members of the public went up to the Common to confront the travellers The police would arrest them under the Public Order Act.
Posted by: Big Rich, Ferndown on 4:02pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]scorpio3[/bold] wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...[/quote] Actually come to think about it why don't you open your property or back garden up to them if you feel so accommodating
scorpio3 wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...
Actually come to think about it why don't you open your property or back garden up to them if you feel so accommodating
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 4:06pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]the owl[/bold] wrote:
Top picture, at least they are good gardeners they have made a splendid job of the grass it looks miles better than dean court send em round Petes.[/quote] I can't[italic] quite[/italic] see, but isn't that a dead Adder under the wheels of the front left caravan.
[bold]The swine!![/bold]
[italic][bold]: )[/bold][/italic]
the owl wrote:
Top picture, at least they are good gardeners they have made a splendid job of the grass it looks miles better than dean court send em round Petes.
I can't
quite see, but isn't that a dead Adder under the wheels of the front left caravan.
The swine!!
: ) Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 4:08pm Tue 5 Aug 08
And I am sure that the woman with her back to us in front of the blue van is bosum feeding her baby!!
And I am sure that the woman with her back to us in front of the blue van is bosum feeding her baby!!
Posted by: Moordown_lad, Moordown on 4:46pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]scorpio3[/bold] wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...[/quote] If they stayed for a while, did whatever it is they do and left with the place plooking as clean and healthy as it did before they arrived, maybe people just mught feel a bit differently. But they don't, they leave piles of rubbish, human excrement, abandoned vehicles, they make noise having generators running all night. They don't pay any taxes, they drive brand new expensive vehicles, one has a 07 plate Range Rover vogue - £60000 worth at least and you wonder why we need to lighten up? Perhaps you might like to volunteer to assist with the clean-up operation when they finally move on?
scorpio3 wrote:
This page just proves to me how unhappy a lot of people really are with their lives,perhaps its the cost of living ,which is down to this goverment,,,(not the travellers ), a few people,sorry (humans beings)being hounded because they stay on a massive field,come on get a grip and lighten up u lot...
If they stayed for a while, did whatever it is they do and left with the place plooking as clean and healthy as it did before they arrived, maybe people just mught feel a bit differently. But they don't, they leave piles of rubbish, human excrement, abandoned vehicles, they make noise having generators running all night. They don't pay any taxes, they drive brand new expensive vehicles, one has a 07 plate Range Rover vogue - £60000 worth at least and you wonder why we need to lighten up? Perhaps you might like to volunteer to assist with the clean-up operation when they finally move on?
Posted by: Wessex Lass, Dorchester on 5:29pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Have I missed something? How do we know they are Irish?
Have I missed something? How do we know they are Irish?
Posted by: bob_bournemouth, Christchurch on 5:43pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Every time I hear about this sort of problem the immortal quote from the excellent film Snatch springs to mind.
You know the one!!!!
Every time I hear about this sort of problem the immortal quote from the excellent film Snatch springs to mind.
You know the one!!!!
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