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GOLD TEETH A GIFT FROM GOD?
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| HOLY MOLARS: Carol Bull and Christine Price both believe they received a gold tooth from God after a prayer meeting |
TWO women living in the same street claim they have been given gold teeth as "gifts from God" after a home prayer meeting.
Carol Bull, 61, and her neighbour Christine Price, 64, say they were stunned to discover their shiny new molars following a discussion on hugely controversial American evangelist Todd Bentley.
Mr Bentley maintains that the Holy Spirit turns up at his meetings and miracles happen on a scale that many are calling a "revival".
Personal assistant Carol said the group had wanted to know if Todd's claims about the Holy Spirit were genuine.
"I prayed for a clear sign, never dreaming that this would happen. After the group went home I felt compelled to look in my mouth and there was this gold tooth. You could have knocked me down with a feather," she said.
"I called my husband Terry and we were both amazed.
"Nothing like this has ever happened to me before. This confirmed that God answers prayer and I feel so blessed that he has given me this gift.
"I have not spoken to many people about this. When I have, some have not known what to say but others have been encouraged by it."
Carol, who attends the United Reformed Church in Canford Heath, Poole, confided in her friend and neighbour Christine Price, a retired nurse, the next day.
"When she showed me her gold tooth it took my breath away," said Christine who lives two doors away.
"A few days later I was thinking about Carol and looked in the mirror. To my amazement I found a gold tooth as well.
"I visited my dentist who confirmed that the tooth had not been there during my last check-up. He wanted to know who had put it there and I told him it was God.
"He is now writing a letter of confirmation to my church. I've shared this with a few people who know me well. Some are sceptical but I truly believe this is a gift from God."
6:01am Wednesday 16th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 6:58am Wed 16 Jul 08
I am a bit sceptical about this, but if they beleive it who are they harming
I am a bit sceptical about this, but if they beleive it who are they harming
Posted by: PETE the PILLOCK on 7:19am Wed 16 Jul 08
Where's that fairy ozy he will know he reckons he's a tooth fairy.
Where's that fairy ozy he will know he reckons he's a tooth fairy.
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 7:29am Wed 16 Jul 08
Who are they harming? These kind of fraudulent faith healers do a great deal of harm. They give people false hope and can also discourage proper medical intervention.
As always in these cases there are only three possibilities. The people involved are either frauds, deluded or genuine. Take your pick. But remember, there has never been a single proven case of any kind of supernatural miracle. Never. Not a single one. There is a one million dollar prize for the first proven case. But don't expect this pair to be in a hurry to claim it.
Who are they harming? These kind of fraudulent faith healers do a great deal of harm. They give people false hope and can also discourage proper medical intervention.
As always in these cases there are only three possibilities. The people involved are either frauds, deluded or genuine. Take your pick. But remember, there has never been a single proven case of any kind of supernatural miracle. Never. Not a single one. There is a one million dollar prize for the first proven case. But don't expect this pair to be in a hurry to claim it.
Posted by: RW1234, South Coast on 7:34am Wed 16 Jul 08
Why would God give the gift of 'gold teeth'? I am sure he has more imagination than that.
I think the husbands of these two ladies may want to check where the housekeeping money has been spent.
Its not April again is it?
Why would God give the gift of 'gold teeth'? I am sure he has more imagination than that.
I think the husbands of these two ladies may want to check where the housekeeping money has been spent.
Its not April again is it?
Posted by: poolebiker, Poole on 8:10am Wed 16 Jul 08
I would also like to add my feeling of concern to the list. Dangerous fraud this is, and should be challenged much more rigorously. Once again religious nuts hit the headlines, when will it end?
I would also like to add my feeling of concern to the list. Dangerous fraud this is, and should be challenged much more rigorously. Once again religious nuts hit the headlines, when will it end?
Posted by: JLC2, here on 8:29am Wed 16 Jul 08
I would like to add my name to the list of don't be so flipping ridiculous.
You didn't wake up with gold teeth, but there is a high possiblilty that you've got some lead or mercury in your mouths. It would explain a lot.
I would like to add my name to the list of don't be so flipping ridiculous.
You didn't wake up with gold teeth, but there is a high possiblilty that you've got some lead or mercury in your mouths. It would explain a lot.
Posted by: Jerry, poole, dorset on 8:34am Wed 16 Jul 08
So that's where I've been going wrong... I should be praying for gold teeth, rather than just pots of gold to pay my bills.
Maybe I should pray for the dog to get the gold teeth then, as he's getting on a bit, he won't miss them as much as I would when they get extracted and sold.
Nothing about this "miracle" on the National News. I suppose there will be pilgrimages to these ladies houses soon, all expecting to be cured of everything under the sun (as well as people hoping to never have to go to the dentist again)!
So that's where I've been going wrong... I should be praying for gold teeth, rather than just pots of gold to pay my bills.
Maybe I should pray for the dog to get the gold teeth then, as he's getting on a bit, he won't miss them as much as I would when they get extracted and sold.
Nothing about this "miracle" on the National News. I suppose there will be pilgrimages to these ladies houses soon, all expecting to be cured of everything under the sun (as well as people hoping to never have to go to the dentist again)!
Posted by: BranksomeBoy, Poole on 8:39am Wed 16 Jul 08
Surely it would be quite easy for the Echo to speak to the ladies dentists and find out if the teeth were there at the last check - up and also check to see if the ladies have been abroad on holiday since that time. They don't look like your normal "loonies" but I find it difficult to believe that with all the miracles that could of been done he choose to give them "gangster" teeth!
Surely it would be quite easy for the Echo to speak to the ladies dentists and find out if the teeth were there at the last check - up and also check to see if the ladies have been abroad on holiday since that time. They don't look like your normal "loonies" but I find it difficult to believe that with all the miracles that could of been done he choose to give them "gangster" teeth!
Posted by: the owl, Bere van no 10 on 8:54am Wed 16 Jul 08
True it’s the power of prayer and he’s in Dorset this week. Monday I asked for a gift, the following morning on the box beside my bunk was a top & bottom set of plastic gnashers in a jam jar.
True it’s the power of prayer and he’s in Dorset this week. Monday I asked for a gift, the following morning on the box beside my bunk was a top & bottom set of plastic gnashers in a jam jar.
Posted by: Adrian X, Poole on 9:26am Wed 16 Jul 08
Dangerous fraud? Haha, claiming to find gold teeth in your mouth is about as dangerous as a chimp cycling along the prom. (****, I couldn't find an appropriate metaphor! :-) ).
Discouraging "proper" medical intervention is more dangerous if it really does happen (I doubt this is common).
And faith healing may well work due to the placebo effect.
There are also reasons not to have too much faith in the medical profession. cf. the normal prognosis for mesothelioma (less than a year) and Paul Kraus (over 10 years with the disease). [Not directly related to faith healing but an example of where faith in conventional medicine is misguided]
Dangerous fraud? Haha, claiming to find gold teeth in your mouth is about as dangerous as a chimp cycling along the prom. (****, I couldn't find an appropriate metaphor! :-) ).
Discouraging "proper" medical intervention is more dangerous if it really does happen (I doubt this is common).
And faith healing may well work due to the placebo effect.
There are also reasons not to have too much faith in the medical profession. cf. the normal prognosis for mesothelioma (less than a year) and Paul Kraus (over 10 years with the disease).
Posted by: the owl, Bere Regis on 9:34am Wed 16 Jul 08
I here you've got a new Screw-Fix on canford common .
I here you've got a new Screw-Fix on canford common .
Posted by: BournPosh, Bournemouth on 9:57am Wed 16 Jul 08
Oh yes, God will happily let children starve to death in third world countries, and decent people agonising deaths from cancer, but give a couple of old birds gold teeth!!
I've heard it all now...!
Oh yes, God will happily let children starve to death in third world countries, and decent people agonising deaths from cancer, but give a couple of old birds gold teeth!!
I've heard it all now...!
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 9:59am Wed 16 Jul 08
Pull the other one…
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 10:04am Wed 16 Jul 08
Adrian.... you are being very selective in your argument. Citing one example for one illness is hardly convincing.
There is a massive amount of evidence, actual examples where people have been harmed, or died, having avoiding medical treatment due to supernatural beliefs.
So on the one hand we have [bold]zero[/bold] evidence of any faith based supernatural miracle. On the other we have plenty of [italic]real life examples[/italic] of people (or their children) dying or being harmed by their supernatural beliefs.
I know what my heart believes.
Adrian.... you are being very selective in your argument. Citing one example for one illness is hardly convincing.
There is a massive amount of evidence, actual examples where people have been harmed, or died, having avoiding medical treatment due to supernatural beliefs.
So on the one hand we have
zero evidence of any faith based supernatural miracle. On the other we have plenty of
real life examples of people (or their children) dying or being harmed by their supernatural beliefs.
I know what my heart believes.
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 10:14am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote]Mr Bentley maintains that the Holy Spirit turns up at his meetings and miracles happen on a scale that many are calling a "revival".[/quote]
And of course all these type of preachers are whiter than white and never make a penny from their 'flock'......
Mr Bentley maintains that the Holy Spirit turns up at his meetings and miracles happen on a scale that many are calling a "revival".
And of course all these type of preachers are whiter than white and never make a penny from their 'flock'......
Posted by: the owl, Bere van no 10 on 10:21am Wed 16 Jul 08
My gamekeepers teeth teeth are so crooked, he can eat an apple through a chain link fence
My gamekeepers teeth teeth are so crooked, he can eat an apple through a chain link fence
Posted by: Adrian X, Poole on 10:22am Wed 16 Jul 08
You may know what your heart believes but so far you have given [bold]zero[/bold] examples to prove it! I don't doubt that there are cases of people being harmed by supernatural beliefs, but, as I said, I would be surprised if it is common. However, the original report where these ladies are claiming to have gold teeth isn't going to be dangerous for anyone.
My example was followed by a section in square brackets which got deleted (don't use sections in square brackets!) and was to illustrate that faith in conventional medicine is sometimes misguided. I don't see how you can say I was being selective. Should I provide 10 examples to prove this point? How many do you need?
You may know what your heart believes but so far you have given
zero examples to prove it! I don't doubt that there are cases of people being harmed by supernatural beliefs, but, as I said, I would be surprised if it is common. However, the original report where these ladies are claiming to have gold teeth isn't going to be dangerous for anyone.
My example was followed by a section in square brackets which got deleted (don't use sections in square brackets!) and was to illustrate that faith in conventional medicine is sometimes misguided. I don't see how you can say I was being selective. Should I provide 10 examples to prove this point? How many do you need?
Posted by: the owl, Bere van no 10 on 10:42am Wed 16 Jul 08
Dear evangelist, Please say a prayer for our League team AFCB. We need God's help for a new chairman and manager and about 14 players . Thank you. Theodore Low age 73 at Bere Regis .
Dear evangelist, Please say a prayer for our League team AFCB. We need God's help for a new chairman and manager and about 14 players . Thank you. Theodore Low age 73 at Bere Regis .
Posted by: Ed, Bournemouth on 10:42am Wed 16 Jul 08
Of course this story just happens to appear after 9th July when Todd Bentley decided to "take time off" following an investigative report on ABC news about his finances and criminal past an past that includes him being arrested for sexual abuse.
The ABC investigation was unable to get evidence to support one single claim of Bentley's healing power.
Since 9th July there appear to have been a large number of stories on Google news where Todd Bentley is mentioned.
I am just concerned that even the Echo is getting suckered into the Todd Bentley promotional machine.
Of course this story just happens to appear after 9th July when Todd Bentley decided to "take time off" following an investigative report on ABC news about his finances and criminal past an past that includes him being arrested for sexual abuse.
The ABC investigation was unable to get evidence to support one single claim of Bentley's healing power.
Since 9th July there appear to have been a large number of stories on Google news where Todd Bentley is mentioned.
I am just concerned that even the Echo is getting suckered into the Todd Bentley promotional machine.
Posted by: BournPosh, Bournemouth on 10:51am Wed 16 Jul 08
The Echo must be very hard up for a story to print this nonsense anyway.
The Echo must be very hard up for a story to print this nonsense anyway.
Posted by: kinsonguy, kinson on 10:56am Wed 16 Jul 08
Its cool that God showed his presence to 2 ladies from Canford Heath and not some big church- leader from one of our big churches.And all they were doing was praying !! Wow!
Its cool that God showed his presence to 2 ladies from Canford Heath and not some big church- leader from one of our big churches.And all they were doing was praying !! Wow!
Posted by: BR, Bournemouth on 11:15am Wed 16 Jul 08
Why is it that such an innocent article has provoked such a hostile response from some people?
I suspect that these ladies friends and/or families would know wether or not they had the gold teeth to start with. It would be nice to know if they could provide any documented proof of this. But as for
"[italic]Surely it would be quite easy for the Echo to speak to the ladies dentists and find out if the teeth were there at the last check - up[/italic]"
I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure that there is a law against that.
Also "... God will happily let children starve to death in third world countries, and decent people agonising deaths from cancer ..." I suspect that these topics have caused you (BournPosh) some pain but have to ask why you blame God for these? [bold]We[/bold] can feed the world [bold]we[/bold] could probably also cure cancer if tried hard enough and made some "lifestyle" changes. But [bold]we[/bold] choose not to.
As for Mr Bentley I have a few
Oh yes ... I did try to Goodle the "million dollar prize" for proven miracles but all I got was James Randi's site where he disproves "paranormal, supernatural, or occult power" so no reward for proven miracles just miracle workers.
Why is it that such an innocent article has provoked such a hostile response from some people?
I suspect that these ladies friends and/or families would know wether or not they had the gold teeth to start with. It would be nice to know if they could provide any documented proof of this. But as for
"
Surely it would be quite easy for the Echo to speak to the ladies dentists and find out if the teeth were there at the last check - up"
I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure that there is a law against that.
Also "... God will happily let children starve to death in third world countries, and decent people agonising deaths from cancer ..." I suspect that these topics have caused you (BournPosh) some pain but have to ask why you blame God for these?
We can feed the world
we could probably also cure cancer if tried hard enough and made some "lifestyle" changes. But
we choose not to.
As for Mr Bentley I have a few
Oh yes ... I did try to Goodle the "million dollar prize" for proven miracles but all I got was James Randi's site where he disproves "paranormal, supernatural, or occult power" so no reward for proven miracles just miracle workers.
Posted by: BR, Bournemouth on 11:24am Wed 16 Jul 08
Oops ... I didn't finish typing on my last post.
I meant to add that I do have a few reservations about Mr Bentley but I have no doubt that God can and does work miracles today
Oops ... I didn't finish typing on my last post.
I meant to add that I do have a few reservations about Mr Bentley but I have no doubt that God can and does work miracles today
Posted by: dibbles, Bournemouth on 11:27am Wed 16 Jul 08
ok so where is the proof of this miracle eg a picture? gosh echo we are getting desperate for news.
ok so where is the proof of this miracle eg a picture? gosh echo we are getting desperate for news.
Posted by: dibbles, Bournemouth on 11:30am Wed 16 Jul 08
On a lighter note Todd Bentley says God spoke to him when he was getting into trouble and taking drugs. Two old ladies, a bit of pot, ta dah gold teeth?
On a lighter note Todd Bentley says God spoke to him when he was getting into trouble and taking drugs. Two old ladies, a bit of pot, ta dah gold teeth?
Posted by: Karen, Poole on 11:32am Wed 16 Jul 08
I'm going to frequent this church... I fancy a full set of porcelain veneers LOL.
I'm going to frequent this church... I fancy a full set of porcelain veneers LOL.
Posted by: MarcusD, Bournemouth on 11:38am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote] [bold]BR, Bournemouth writes:[/bold]
I suspect that these topics have caused you (BournPosh) some pain but have to ask why you blame God for these? We can feed the world we could probably also cure cancer if tried hard enough and made some "lifestyle" changes. But we choose not to.[/quote]
When God sends earthquakes and tsunamis that slaughter hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, can we blame him then?
BR, Bournemouth writes:
I suspect that these topics have caused you (BournPosh) some pain but have to ask why you blame God for these? We can feed the world we could probably also cure cancer if tried hard enough and made some "lifestyle" changes. But we choose not to.
When God sends earthquakes and tsunamis that slaughter hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, can we blame him then?
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 11:43am Wed 16 Jul 08
Adrian, your argument seems to be that faith healing is ok because medicine is not perfect? Can you see any problems with that logic?
further evidence you asked for:
http://whatstheharm.
net/faithhealing.htm
l
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/england/shrop
shire/7336913.stm
http://news.yahoo.co
m/s/ap/20080619/ap_o
n_re_us/faith_healin
g_death
http://news.yahoo.co
m/s/ap/20080619/ap_o
n_re_us/faith_healin
g_death
http://www.portlandt
ribune.com/news/stor
y.php?story_id=12137
9440855614400
http://www.msnbc.msn
.com/id/23882698/
http://www.livescien
ce.com/strangenews/0
60729_medical_miracl
es.html
http://www.csicop.or
g/sb/2006-09/hinn.ht
ml
So there we are.... no evidence at all of any true miracle caused by god, ever. Not for lack of trying! But plenty of documented PROOF that faith healing kills and harms.
Adrian, your argument seems to be that faith healing is ok because medicine is not perfect? Can you see any problems with that logic?
further evidence you asked for:
http://whatstheharm.
net/faithhealing.htm
l
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/england/shrop
shire/7336913.stm
http://news.yahoo.co
m/s/ap/20080619/ap_o
n_re_us/faith_healin
g_death
http://news.yahoo.co
m/s/ap/20080619/ap_o
n_re_us/faith_healin
g_death
http://www.portlandt
ribune.com/news/stor
y.php?story_id=12137
9440855614400
http://www.msnbc.msn
.com/id/23882698/
http://www.livescien
ce.com/strangenews/0
60729_medical_miracl
es.html
http://www.csicop.or
g/sb/2006-09/hinn.ht
ml
So there we are.... no evidence at all of any true miracle caused by god, ever. Not for lack of trying! But plenty of documented PROOF that faith healing kills and harms.
Posted by: nwellsy, bournemouth on 11:51am Wed 16 Jul 08
faith is what you need. check out more for over miracles happening in bournemouth at www.tftk.net only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.
faith is what you need. check out more for over miracles happening in bournemouth at www.tftk.net only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.
Posted by: MarcusD, Bournemouth on 12:06pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[bold]nwellsy, bournemouth wrote:[/bold]
[quote]only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.[/quote]
If God is so caring, why did he let her get into such a state to begin with? And then let her suffer for 15 years?
nwellsy, bournemouth wrote:
only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.
If God is so caring, why did he let her get into such a state to begin with? And then let her suffer for 15 years?
Posted by: RichT, Christchurch on 12:09pm Wed 16 Jul 08
To all those who are cynical about these kind of things, I recommend you tune into the Florida Revival programmes showing at the moment on God TV or even on their website. I believe there really is some amazing and genuine stuff happening at the moment.
To all those who are cynical about these kind of things, I recommend you tune into the Florida Revival programmes showing at the moment on God TV or even on their website. I believe there really is some amazing and genuine stuff happening at the moment.
Posted by: divingdave, Southbourne on 12:16pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Hmmm. Why gold teeth rather than a real new tooth? What a load of cobblers!
Hmmm. Why gold teeth rather than a real new tooth? What a load of cobblers!
Posted by: bmth expat, USA on 12:35pm Wed 16 Jul 08
If I woke up with a gold tooth that wasn't there the night before, my immediate reaction would be to panic and find out if I had somehow missed a few days of my life in delerium and had dental surgery. If the only conclusion that could be made was a miracle from God, as a Catholic I would do my best to ensure the Pope heard about this to see what he made of it. I would not be calmly smiling for a photograph for my local paper. I have a hard time believing this story.
If I woke up with a gold tooth that wasn't there the night before, my immediate reaction would be to panic and find out if I had somehow missed a few days of my life in delerium and had dental surgery. If the only conclusion that could be made was a miracle from God, as a Catholic I would do my best to ensure the Pope heard about this to see what he made of it. I would not be calmly smiling for a photograph for my local paper. I have a hard time believing this story.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 12:44pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]nwellsy[/bold] wrote:
faith is what you need. check out more for over miracles happening in bournemouth at www.tftk.net only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.[/quote] If you don't believe it, at least you won't get conned out of your life savings. All these evangelists want is your hard cash. Conmen, the lot of them.
nwellsy wrote:
faith is what you need. check out more for over miracles happening in bournemouth at www.tftk.net only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.
If you don't believe it, at least you won't get conned out of your life savings. All these evangelists want is your hard cash. Conmen, the lot of them.
Posted by: GRIFF, Christchurch on 12:47pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Bring in the men in white coats for these two ladies...
Bring in the men in white coats for these two ladies...
Posted by: Tigger, Christchurch on 12:50pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Why not come and check out our local revival meeting at the Boscombe Salvation Army building this Friday at 7pm. Full details can be found at www.tftk.net See you there!!!
Why not come and check out our local revival meeting at the Boscombe Salvation Army building this Friday at 7pm. Full details can be found at www.tftk.net See you there!!!
Posted by: BR, Bournemouth on 1:00pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]MarcusD[/bold] wrote:
[quote] [bold]BR, Bournemouth writes:[/bold] I suspect that these topics have caused you (BournPosh) some pain but have to ask why you blame God for these? We can feed the world we could probably also cure cancer if tried hard enough and made some "lifestyle" changes. But we choose not to.[/quote] When God sends earthquakes and tsunamis that slaughter hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, can we blame him then? [/quote] Hmmm ... very good question.
Personally I would have worded it "When God allows ..." instead of when God sends. But it's a good question and not being a politician I'll give a direct/honest answer. I wouldn't blame Him but I would, and have have asked ... why?
(Of course you do realise that your question implies your belief that there is a God and He can "send" earthquakes.)
MarcusD wrote:
BR, Bournemouth writes: I suspect that these topics have caused you (BournPosh) some pain but have to ask why you blame God for these? We can feed the world we could probably also cure cancer if tried hard enough and made some "lifestyle" changes. But we choose not to.
When God sends earthquakes and tsunamis that slaughter hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, can we blame him then?
Hmmm ... very good question.
Personally I would have worded it "When God allows ..." instead of when God sends. But it's a good question and not being a politician I'll give a direct/honest answer. I wouldn't blame Him but I would, and have have asked ... why?
(Of course you do realise that your question implies your belief that there is a God and He can "send" earthquakes.)
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 1:01pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]the owl[/bold] wrote:
Dear evangelist, Please say a prayer for our League team AFCB. We need God's help for a new chairman and manager and about 14 players . Thank you. Theodore Low age 73 at Bere Regis .
[/quote] It will take more than a prayer to sort AFCB out,my sympathy is with the loyal fans.As for miracles,i hate to see people conned,and this does look like a con.
the owl wrote:
Dear evangelist, Please say a prayer for our League team AFCB. We need God's help for a new chairman and manager and about 14 players . Thank you. Theodore Low age 73 at Bere Regis .
It will take more than a prayer to sort AFCB out,my sympathy is with the loyal fans.As for miracles,i hate to see people conned,and this does look like a con.
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 1:05pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]RichT[/bold] wrote:
To all those who are cynical about these kind of things, I recommend you tune into the Florida Revival programmes showing at the moment on God TV or even on their website. I believe there really is some amazing and genuine stuff happening at the moment.[/quote] Yeah... THIS time it really is happening. Sure. Ok. Fine. That has never been heard before.
There's cynical. And there's rational.
RichT wrote:
To all those who are cynical about these kind of things, I recommend you tune into the Florida Revival programmes showing at the moment on God TV or even on their website. I believe there really is some amazing and genuine stuff happening at the moment.
Yeah... THIS time it really is happening. Sure. Ok. Fine. That has never been heard before.
There's cynical. And there's rational.
Posted by: toni, poole on 1:17pm Wed 16 Jul 08
well done carol for speaking out, God works in mysterious ways, this is not the first time people have been giving gold teeth, miracles do happen, in unususal ways, i also sit in a healing circle, to give absent healing around the world, to people and places that are not so well off as ourselves,
absent healing is a complimentery addition to medical advise and no worthy healer would tell any person to go against the medical advice from their doctor,
we all have our chosen paths to lead,
beleive or not it's up to you,
well done carol for speaking out, God works in mysterious ways, this is not the first time people have been giving gold teeth, miracles do happen, in unususal ways, i also sit in a healing circle, to give absent healing around the world, to people and places that are not so well off as ourselves,
absent healing is a complimentery addition to medical advise and no worthy healer would tell any person to go against the medical advice from their doctor,
we all have our chosen paths to lead,
beleive or not it's up to you,
Posted by: nwellsy, bournemouth on 1:19pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]nwellsy[/bold] wrote: faith is what you need. check out more for over miracles happening in bournemouth at www.tftk.net only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.[/quote] If you don't believe it, at least you won't get conned out of your life savings. All these evangelists want is your hard cash. Conmen, the lot of them.[/quote] who said anything about money or life savings, these ladies recieved gold teeth, jesus is lord
Phil wrote:
nwellsy wrote: faith is what you need. check out more for over miracles happening in bournemouth at www.tftk.net only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.
If you don't believe it, at least you won't get conned out of your life savings. All these evangelists want is your hard cash. Conmen, the lot of them.
who said anything about money or life savings, these ladies recieved gold teeth, jesus is lord
Posted by: Beaker, Bournemouth on 1:29pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Todd Bentley... Permission to say c*ck!
Todd Bentley... Permission to say c*ck!
Posted by: Annette, Wimborne on 1:33pm Wed 16 Jul 08
The juxtaposition of the article on these ladies acquiring gold teeth and the advert wanting scrap metal was interesting!
PS I would hate to find I had a gold tooth. What a nightmare!
The juxtaposition of the article on these ladies acquiring gold teeth and the advert wanting scrap metal was interesting!
PS I would hate to find I had a gold tooth. What a nightmare!
Posted by: Adrian Williams, Wimborne on 1:55pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Suppose Carol is right: that there really is a god and that he has given a sign to the whole world (via the internet)that prayers to him are indeed answered. Now what? Does that mean that at last I can ask God for a cup of tea and he will make me one? Or, if an unanswered prayer is a sign that God does not answer prayers, should we weigh up unanswered prayers against unnecessary gold teeth? Hmm... that's countless billions against two. That's a shame; I could do with a cuppa.
Suppose Carol is right: that there really is a god and that he has given a sign to the whole world (via the internet)that prayers to him are indeed answered. Now what? Does that mean that at last I can ask God for a cup of tea and he will make me one? Or, if an unanswered prayer is a sign that God does not answer prayers, should we weigh up unanswered prayers against unnecessary gold teeth? Hmm... that's countless billions against two. That's a shame; I could do with a cuppa.
Posted by: alasdair, windsor/kosovo on 2:01pm Wed 16 Jul 08
one word on this story cant post it but found on a farm yard coming out of a male cows backside!!!!!
absolute poppyc*ck
one word on this story cant post it but found on a farm yard coming out of a male cows backside!!!!!
absolute poppyc*ck
Posted by: The Chill, Bournemouth on 2:29pm Wed 16 Jul 08
No wonder it's so easy to con Christians out of money. They're so gullible. Just reading some of the comments here is giving me a good laugh.
No wonder it's so easy to con Christians out of money. They're so gullible. Just reading some of the comments here is giving me a good laugh.
Posted by: Crispy, Canford Heath on 2:45pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Don't poo-poo it. I've started praying every hour. I'm after a complete set of gold teeth.
Don't poo-poo it. I've started praying every hour. I'm after a complete set of gold teeth.
Posted by: snoff, Poole on 2:53pm Wed 16 Jul 08
WTF!!!
Posted by: free wessex, dorset on 3:08pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Well Ruth Oliver has just seen her credible journalistic career go west and why no close up photo of the miraculous molars? beware the devil and all his works.. last time the Echo had a silly supernatural story was...Anyone remember the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?
Well Ruth Oliver has just seen her credible journalistic career go west and why no close up photo of the miraculous molars? beware the devil and all his works.. last time the Echo had a silly supernatural story was...Anyone remember the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?
Posted by: free wessex, dorset on 3:11pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Got to add a P.S
Someone tell Jeff Mostyn at AFCB about this anything is worth a go!!
Got to add a P.S
Someone tell Jeff Mostyn at AFCB about this anything is worth a go!!
Posted by: Adrian X, Poole on 3:25pm Wed 16 Jul 08
PokesdownMark, I thank you for your links, though most of them point to the same case. (and it is unfair that you include the case of Jehovas Witness who did not want a blood transfusion)
My point is really that faith that you are going to be healed is hardly dangerous if you consider how rare it is. [bold]Most[/bold] religious people who pray for their own healing do not stop conventional treatment.
More dangerous is a misplaced confidence in conventional medicine. (One should always be sceptical).
As for whether faith healing works, the livescience article hit the nail on the head. You have to take a large sample of people with a certain disease, randomise them into two groups, "faith heal" all in one group (whatever that entails), then compare the results.
PokesdownMark, I thank you for your links, though most of them point to the same case. (and it is unfair that you include the case of Jehovas Witness who did not want a blood transfusion)
My point is really that faith that you are going to be healed is hardly dangerous if you consider how rare it is.
Most religious people who pray for their own healing do not stop conventional treatment.
More dangerous is a misplaced confidence in conventional medicine. (One should always be sceptical).
As for whether faith healing works, the livescience article hit the nail on the head. You have to take a large sample of people with a certain disease, randomise them into two groups, "faith heal" all in one group (whatever that entails), then compare the results.
Posted by: p.satlast, bournemouth on 3:34pm Wed 16 Jul 08
I can't believe that in the 21st.century there are still people who believe in some sort of "divine controller".As for these American preachers,they are dangerous and should be turned back at the border.
I can't believe that in the 21st.century there are still people who believe in some sort of "divine controller".As for these American preachers,they are dangerous and should be turned back at the border.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 3:39pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]free wessex[/bold] wrote:
Well Ruth Oliver has just seen her credible journalistic career go west and why no close up photo of the miraculous molars? beware the devil and all his works.. last time the Echo had a silly supernatural story was...Anyone remember the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?[/quote] YES i do remember,but did you know about the ghost at 13 gresham rd,i do i lived there,i didnt think this thread was about ghosts,but while i believe in ghosts,i d not in miracles.
free wessex wrote:
Well Ruth Oliver has just seen her credible journalistic career go west and why no close up photo of the miraculous molars? beware the devil and all his works.. last time the Echo had a silly supernatural story was...Anyone remember the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?
YES i do remember,but did you know about the ghost at 13 gresham rd,i do i lived there,i didnt think this thread was about ghosts,but while i believe in ghosts,i d not in miracles.
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 3:52pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]nwellsy[/bold] wrote: faith is what you need. check out more for over miracles happening in bournemouth at www.tftk.net only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.[/quote] If you don't believe it, at least you won't get conned out of your life savings. All these evangelists want is your hard cash. Conmen, the lot of them.[/quote] Abso-bluddy-lutely!!
Phil wrote:
nwellsy wrote: faith is what you need. check out more for over miracles happening in bournemouth at www.tftk.net only 2 weeks ago friends of mine prayed for a lady who has'nt walked for 15 years unaided, now she can walk fine, its all about faith, if you don't believe it, it will never happen to you.
If you don't believe it, at least you won't get conned out of your life savings. All these evangelists want is your hard cash. Conmen, the lot of them.
Abso-bluddy-lutely!!
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 3:53pm Wed 16 Jul 08
To think that a supreme being would care more about bling than alleviating suffering… What kind of god is that? Not one I'd want to believe in, thanks.
To think that a supreme being would care more about bling than alleviating suffering… What kind of god is that? Not one I'd want to believe in, thanks.
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 3:55pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Beaker[/bold] wrote:
Todd Bentley... Permission to say c*ck![/quote] Granted!
Beaker wrote:
Todd Bentley... Permission to say c*ck!
Granted!
Posted by: alisonkilla, Blandford on 4:01pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Why is it so unbelievable that the God who created us and longs for us to get to know him would answer our prayers?
If you want to know if he's real then tell him what's on your heart and he will show you by doing something amazing in your life.
Tune in to Sky Channel 760 (580 after 21st July) and you can make up your own mind about it.
Why is it so unbelievable that the God who created us and longs for us to get to know him would answer our prayers?
If you want to know if he's real then tell him what's on your heart and he will show you by doing something amazing in your life.
Tune in to Sky Channel 760 (580 after 21st July) and you can make up your own mind about it.
Posted by: Spitfire, Bournemouth on 4:11pm Wed 16 Jul 08
When will mankind wake up and realise they are being fooled by the biggest con in the planets history. Yep religion. There is no God, Allah, Buddah etc. If people put their beliefs into something worthwhile like care of the planet the whole world would be a nicer place. Would probably stop a lot of wars happening.
When will mankind wake up and realise they are being fooled by the biggest con in the planets history. Yep religion. There is no God, Allah, Buddah etc. If people put their beliefs into something worthwhile like care of the planet the whole world would be a nicer place. Would probably stop a lot of wars happening.
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 4:18pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Tigger[/bold] wrote:
Why not come and check out our local revival meeting at the Boscombe Salvation Army building this Friday at 7pm. Full details can be found at www.tftk.net See you there!!![/quote] NOW THERES A PLACE TO GO ON FRIDAY - THE WHOLE CONTENTS OF YOUR MOUTH WOULD BE OVER THE COUNTER AT 'CASH CONVERTORS' BEFORE YOU HEARD THE FIRST HALLALULA
Tigger wrote:
Why not come and check out our local revival meeting at the Boscombe Salvation Army building this Friday at 7pm. Full details can be found at www.tftk.net See you there!!!
NOW THERES A PLACE TO GO ON FRIDAY - THE WHOLE CONTENTS OF YOUR MOUTH WOULD BE OVER THE COUNTER AT 'CASH CONVERTORS' BEFORE YOU HEARD THE FIRST HALLALULA
Posted by: Jerry, poole, dorset on 4:21pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Just want to know... Why were these women (can't call them "Ladies" unless they hold a Title, not PC you see) praying for a "sign" in the first place? Did they actually want gold teeth or did they want God, in some shape or form, to reveal Himself to them and only them?
What sort of "sign" were they expecting, I wonder.
I don't think even the Pope can claim to have had a true and direct message from Him.
Just want to know... Why were these women (can't call them "Ladies" unless they hold a Title, not PC you see) praying for a "sign" in the first place? Did they actually want gold teeth or did they want God, in some shape or form, to reveal Himself to them and only them?
What sort of "sign" were they expecting, I wonder.
I don't think even the Pope can claim to have had a true and direct message from Him.
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 4:28pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jerry[/bold] wrote:
Just want to know... Why were these women (can't call them "Ladies" unless they hold a Title, not PC you see) praying for a "sign" in the first place? Did they actually want gold teeth or did they want God, in some shape or form, to reveal Himself to them and only them?
What sort of "sign" were they expecting, I wonder.
I don't think even the Pope can claim to have had a true and direct message from Him.[/quote] WHATS WRONG WITH A PHONE CALL ANYWAY ???? 'ER..GOD 'ERE 'AVE A NICE DAY - GOLD TEETH ? SORRY HAD A RUSH ON 'EM...PROOF ,EX D ,YOU UNDERSTAND ,SORRY MUST FLY, PLACES TO GO PEOPLE TO MEET ...THE ODD MIRACLE TO PERFORM AND I'M NEARLY OUT OF CREDIT'
Jerry wrote:
Just want to know... Why were these women (can't call them "Ladies" unless they hold a Title, not PC you see) praying for a "sign" in the first place? Did they actually want gold teeth or did they want God, in some shape or form, to reveal Himself to them and only them?
What sort of "sign" were they expecting, I wonder.
I don't think even the Pope can claim to have had a true and direct message from Him.
WHATS WRONG WITH A PHONE CALL ANYWAY ???? 'ER..GOD 'ERE 'AVE A NICE DAY - GOLD TEETH ? SORRY HAD A RUSH ON 'EM...PROOF ,EX D ,YOU UNDERSTAND ,SORRY MUST FLY, PLACES TO GO PEOPLE TO MEET ...THE ODD MIRACLE TO PERFORM AND I'M NEARLY OUT OF CREDIT'
Posted by: MarcusD, Bournemouth on 5:07pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]MarcusD wrote:[/bold]
When God sends earthquakes and tsunamis that slaughter hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, can we blame him then?[/quote]
[quote][bold]BR wrote:[/bold]
Hmmm ... very good question.
Personally I would have worded it "When God allows ..." instead of when God sends. But it's a good question and not being a politician I'll give a direct/honest answer. I wouldn't blame Him but I would, and have have asked ... why?
"When God [bold]allows[/bold] . . . " rather than "When God [bold]sends[/bold] . . ."?
Your answer implies that God has the power to "[bold]allow[/bold] " major disasters to happen or not depending on his mood that day.
But whether he "sends" or "allows" is immaterial when half a city's population is crushed to death under falling masonry.
Has God ever given you an reason [bold]why[/bold] he allows people to suffer agonising deaths in this way?
[quote][bold]BR wrote:[/bold]
(Of course you do realise that your question implies your belief that there is a God and He can "send" earthquakes.)[/quote]
Au contraire, I have no interest in believing in a supposedly loving God that "allows" such misery in the world.
I am merely questioning the blind belief in such a deity.
MarcusD wrote:
When God sends earthquakes and tsunamis that slaughter hundreds of thousands of men, women and children, can we blame him then?
BR wrote:
Hmmm ... very good question.
Personally I would have worded it "When God allows ..." instead of when God sends. But it's a good question and not being a politician I'll give a direct/honest answer. I wouldn't blame Him but I would, and have have asked ... why?
"When God
allows . . . " rather than "When God
sends . . ."?
Your answer implies that God has the power to "
allow " major disasters to happen or not depending on his mood that day.
But whether he "sends" or "allows" is immaterial when half a city's population is crushed to death under falling masonry.
Has God ever given you an reason
why he allows people to suffer agonising deaths in this way?
BR wrote:
(Of course you do realise that your question implies your belief that there is a God and He can "send" earthquakes.)
Au contraire, I have no interest in believing in a supposedly loving God that "allows" such misery in the world.
I am merely questioning the blind belief in such a deity.
Posted by: mum45, upton on 5:15pm Wed 16 Jul 08
These poor ladies and thousands more like them have been duped by 'lying signs and wonders' just as predicted by Jesus in the Bible (2 Thess. 2:8-10/Matthew 24;4-5/1 Timothy 4:2 etc. etc.)when he spoke of the last days. Anyone who takes care to read the scriptures and do what Jesus told us to do which is to 'test all things'like the Berean church who were praised by the apostle Paul for doing so, will see that none of what Mr. Bentley does matches up with anything in the Bible which is our only 'measuring stick' of the nature and character of God the Holy Spirit. It is a shame that they did not report the violent antics of Mr. Bentley who kicks cancer victims in the stomach, kicks old ladies in the face with his biker boot 'under instruction' by the Holy Spirit(footage courtesy of YouTube if you care to check it out) and prays prayers like 'Bam Bam' and 'Blah Blah Blah'. I am really surprised by the people quoted who I know are both long term Christians who have no discernment where this sort of thing is concerned.Perhaps they consider themselves to be beyond deception unlike 'the elect' in the Bible.
I suggest that anyone who believes any of this goes and looks in their Bible to see if they can find anything which is remotley like it. They will not of course, and if they think that God is doing 'a new thing' then they must remember that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow but we do not see any of this type of behaviour or these type of things recorded as performed by the greatest miracle maker of all, Jesus.
A gracious warning to all church leaders who have 'bought' into this,and that is one delivered to people in leadership in the Word. Be careful lest you lead others astray - 'to whom much is given, much is required'and you will be answerable for that before God.
These poor ladies and thousands more like them have been duped by 'lying signs and wonders' just as predicted by Jesus in the Bible (2 Thess. 2:8-10/Matthew 24;4-5/1 Timothy 4:2 etc. etc.)when he spoke of the last days. Anyone who takes care to read the scriptures and do what Jesus told us to do which is to 'test all things'like the Berean church who were praised by the apostle Paul for doing so, will see that none of what Mr. Bentley does matches up with anything in the Bible which is our only 'measuring stick' of the nature and character of God the Holy Spirit. It is a shame that they did not report the violent antics of Mr. Bentley who kicks cancer victims in the stomach, kicks old ladies in the face with his biker boot 'under instruction' by the Holy Spirit(footage courtesy of YouTube if you care to check it out) and prays prayers like 'Bam Bam' and 'Blah Blah Blah'. I am really surprised by the people quoted who I know are both long term Christians who have no discernment where this sort of thing is concerned.Perhaps they consider themselves to be beyond deception unlike 'the elect' in the Bible.
I suggest that anyone who believes any of this goes and looks in their Bible to see if they can find anything which is remotley like it. They will not of course, and if they think that God is doing 'a new thing' then they must remember that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow but we do not see any of this type of behaviour or these type of things recorded as performed by the greatest miracle maker of all, Jesus.
A gracious warning to all church leaders who have 'bought' into this,and that is one delivered to people in leadership in the Word. Be careful lest you lead others astray - 'to whom much is given, much is required'and you will be answerable for that before God.
Posted by: John, Poole on 5:19pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]free wessex[/bold] wrote: Well Ruth Oliver has just seen her credible journalistic career go west and why no close up photo of the miraculous molars? beware the devil and all his works.. last time the Echo had a silly supernatural story was...Anyone remember the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?[/quote] YES i do remember,but did you know about the ghost at 13 gresham rd,i do i lived there,i didnt think this thread was about ghosts,but while i believe in ghosts,i d not in miracles.[/quote] Ruth Oliver
Get round to PETE WOODLEY as soon as possible now that he is prepared to reveal his old haunts!
Now, there is a story for you to get your teeth into! God knows where it will lead you to!!
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
free wessex wrote: Well Ruth Oliver has just seen her credible journalistic career go west and why no close up photo of the miraculous molars? beware the devil and all his works.. last time the Echo had a silly supernatural story was...Anyone remember the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?
YES i do remember,but did you know about the ghost at 13 gresham rd,i do i lived there,i didnt think this thread was about ghosts,but while i believe in ghosts,i d not in miracles.
Ruth Oliver
Get round to PETE WOODLEY as soon as possible now that he is prepared to reveal his old haunts!
Now, there is a story for you to get your teeth into! God knows where it will lead you to!!
Posted by: poolebob, poole on 5:42pm Wed 16 Jul 08
The Bible makes it clear God can heal but it also reminds us of the danger of false prophets. Revival comes about when people recognise they are sinful and turn to God in repentance. What is the point of healing someone if they are going to hell when they die. This is not of God.
The Bible makes it clear God can heal but it also reminds us of the danger of false prophets. Revival comes about when people recognise they are sinful and turn to God in repentance. What is the point of healing someone if they are going to hell when they die. This is not of God.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 5:54pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]free wessex[/bold] wrote: Well Ruth Oliver has just seen her credible journalistic career go west and why no close up photo of the miraculous molars? beware the devil and all his works.. last time the Echo had a silly supernatural story was...Anyone remember the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?[/quote] YES i do remember,but did you know about the ghost at 13 gresham rd,i do i lived there,i didnt think this thread was about ghosts,but while i believe in ghosts,i d not in miracles.[/quote] Ruth Oliver
Get round to PETE WOODLEY as soon as possible now that he is prepared to reveal his old haunts!
Now, there is a story for you to get your teeth into! God knows where it will lead you to!![/quote] Which haunts john,the pubs in Poole,or where i am visiting when i am gone,starting with yours.
John wrote:
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
free wessex wrote: Well Ruth Oliver has just seen her credible journalistic career go west and why no close up photo of the miraculous molars? beware the devil and all his works.. last time the Echo had a silly supernatural story was...Anyone remember the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?
YES i do remember,but did you know about the ghost at 13 gresham rd,i do i lived there,i didnt think this thread was about ghosts,but while i believe in ghosts,i d not in miracles.
Ruth Oliver
Get round to PETE WOODLEY as soon as possible now that he is prepared to reveal his old haunts!
Now, there is a story for you to get your teeth into! God knows where it will lead you to!!
Which haunts john,the pubs in Poole,or where i am visiting when i am gone,starting with yours.
Posted by: Dorsetman1986, Wimborne on 6:54pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Spitfire[/bold] wrote:
When will mankind wake up and realise they are being fooled by the biggest con in the planets history. Yep religion. There is no God, Allah, Buddah etc. If people put their beliefs into something worthwhile like care of the planet the whole world would be a nicer place. Would probably stop a lot of wars happening. [/quote] HEAR HEAR!
Religion has caused more wars in history than politics (still half religion driven in itself), money, oil, land etc and it's that fundemental belief that one's own religion is right and everyone elses is wrong that causes all this to happen!
Personally I think this is a big publicity stunt for mister ex-con-born-again-ch
ristian to make a few bob off a load of gullible people.
Well, let's face it, door to door scams and internet hustling is a lot more obvious these days...
Spitfire wrote:
When will mankind wake up and realise they are being fooled by the biggest con in the planets history. Yep religion. There is no God, Allah, Buddah etc. If people put their beliefs into something worthwhile like care of the planet the whole world would be a nicer place. Would probably stop a lot of wars happening.
HEAR HEAR!
Religion has caused more wars in history than politics (still half religion driven in itself), money, oil, land etc and it's that fundemental belief that one's own religion is right and everyone elses is wrong that causes all this to happen!
Personally I think this is a big publicity stunt for mister ex-con-born-again-ch
ristian to make a few bob off a load of gullible people.
Well, let's face it, door to door scams and internet hustling is a lot more obvious these days...
Posted by: Charlie on 7:14pm Wed 16 Jul 08
I've been to one of these evangelical meetings just to see what happens. People get hypnotised by what's going on. It's quite amazing what suggestion can do. I wouldn't be at all surprised if these ladies had been hypnotised into fogetting that they already had a gold tooth.
As has been said before, these miracle pushers are only after your cash.
I've been to one of these evangelical meetings just to see what happens. People get hypnotised by what's going on. It's quite amazing what suggestion can do. I wouldn't be at all surprised if these ladies had been hypnotised into fogetting that they already had a gold tooth.
As has been said before, these miracle pushers are only after your cash.
Posted by: jesusislord, Southampton on 8:24pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Jesus Himself had the very same problem with doubters. If you could see Jesus walking the earth healing people would you say the same as you have done with regard to Todd Bentley? Well guess what that is exactly what you are doing, you prosecuting Jesus, God has raised up Todd Bentley for such a time as this, Jesus is inside Him, Jesus is the source of the healing and not Todd Bentley, the power source is Jesus, who when you are born again comes to live inside of you. Unless you are born again you cannot enter into heaven.
As regard to God bringing earthquakes and the such like, wrong, God gives life, its the devil that comes to rob, steal and destroy. Yet I hear no one blame the devil, it was the devil who tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, and now He is robbing you! Why cannot people be happy for others, I have not read one who have been pleased for these ladies, that says alot, perhaps its jealousy, or pride?
Luke 5:22-26
But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, [bold]What reason ye in your hearts?[/bold] [bold]Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to fogive sins,[/bold] (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) [bold]I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.[/bold] And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God. And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying. We have seen strange things to day.
Luke 5:31-32
And Jesus answering said unto them, [bold]They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.[/bold]
So you think you are a good person, go to this site and find out...http://www.the
wayofthemaster.com/g
ood
Jesus Himself had the very same problem with doubters. If you could see Jesus walking the earth healing people would you say the same as you have done with regard to Todd Bentley? Well guess what that is exactly what you are doing, you prosecuting Jesus, God has raised up Todd Bentley for such a time as this, Jesus is inside Him, Jesus is the source of the healing and not Todd Bentley, the power source is Jesus, who when you are born again comes to live inside of you. Unless you are born again you cannot enter into heaven.
As regard to God bringing earthquakes and the such like, wrong, God gives life, its the devil that comes to rob, steal and destroy. Yet I hear no one blame the devil, it was the devil who tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, and now He is robbing you! Why cannot people be happy for others, I have not read one who have been pleased for these ladies, that says alot, perhaps its jealousy, or pride?
Luke 5:22-26
But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them,
What reason ye in your hearts? Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to fogive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,)
I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house. And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God. And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying. We have seen strange things to day.
Luke 5:31-32
And Jesus answering said unto them,
They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
So you think you are a good person, go to this site and find out...http://www.the
wayofthemaster.com/g
ood
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 8:26pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Charlie thats a very good point about hypnotism. Repetitive chanting and altered mental states figure prominently at these type of events.
Claiming to know the mind of god should be a crime. In fact I think it will be one day. Probably a half dozen generations further along. If we make it that far.
My final word.... organised religion is to religion what organised crime is to crime.
Charlie thats a very good point about hypnotism. Repetitive chanting and altered mental states figure prominently at these type of events.
Claiming to know the mind of god should be a crime. In fact I think it will be one day. Probably a half dozen generations further along. If we make it that far.
My final word.... organised religion is to religion what organised crime is to crime.
Posted by: rich on 8:27pm Wed 16 Jul 08
i'll have what they have been drinking !!!
i'll have what they have been drinking !!!
Posted by: Sarah, Bournemouth on 8:44pm Wed 16 Jul 08
A photo of the offending teeth would be great, it may put our minds at ease over the truth behind this tale.....seeing is believing!
A photo of the offending teeth would be great, it may put our minds at ease over the truth behind this tale.....seeing is believing!
Posted by: MIG, Poole on 8:57pm Wed 16 Jul 08
One of my favourite quotes from that much misinterpreted guide book called the Bible is:
"And a great Profit shall come upon the land"
In the King James version It may be spelt Prophet, but I think that was an error.
I am quite certain that this evangelist is living quite comfortably at his victim's expense.
One of my favourite quotes from that much misinterpreted guide book called the Bible is:
"And a great Profit shall come upon the land"
In the King James version It may be spelt Prophet, but I think that was an error.
I am quite certain that this evangelist is living quite comfortably at his victim's expense.
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 9:29pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Posted by: Charlie on 7:14pm today
[bold]Quote [/bold] As has been said before, these miracle pushers are only after your cash.
[bold]Reply [/bold] Well said [bold]Charlie[/bold] .
Religion (as is) has been almost totally discredited and [bold]exposed[/bold] as described so rightfully within this thread.
[bold]False Prophets[/bold] are everywhere even [bold]Tony Blair[/bold] has jumped from Politics onto the Religious Bandwagon [italic]has he not?[/italic]
If these [bold]Gold Teeth[/bold] have been inserted as is [bold]alleged[/bold] . Then this is more [bold]the work of the Devil[/bold] as a Trickster and Con than that of and God.
[italic]Personally[/italic] everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that. Yet as a True believer in [bold]The Creator[/bold] I could not agree that any God would place [bold]Gold Teeth[/bold] into anyone's mouth as so described.
I have come upon many things that are regarded as [bold]Supernatural[/bold] in a few cases some [bold]have proved to be just that.[/bold]
[bold]As to the posting[/bold]
Posted by: free wessex, dorset on 3:08pm today
[bold]Quote [/bold] Anyone [bold]remember[/bold] the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?
[bold]Reply [/bold] Yes indeed I do [bold]free wessex.[/bold]
The case as I remember it was that of an [bold]alleged poltergeist[/bold] and a young boy who was allegedly talking to an [bold]unseen[/bold] friend in the garden of these premises, If this is the case you refer to?
I visited the premises shortly after the exposure in the media as to alleged [bold]objects being hurled around by some unseen force.[/bold]
I discovered that a next door neighbour had [bold]committed suicide[/bold] and was a close friend of those who were affected by this disruption.
[bold]That gave me a clue[/bold] as to the source of the disruption, on investigating the area I found that the [bold]old fashioned Gas meter[/bold] resting on a shelf with rusted and broken brackets the [bold]Mains Gas Pipe had had fracture lines and was about to burst.[/bold]
We called the Gas Board and the piping etc. was replaced and made safe,
I told the residents of the house that I believe [bold]all should now be OK,[/bold] as in my opinion the spirit of the man who hung himself at home was not at rest, and was warning them as best he could [bold]as to the possible explosion.[/bold]
Later I called back to check if all was well, and upon leaving [bold]I was interviewed by a reporter and Television crew[/bold]
I told them what you read her and went on my way.
I believe the camera was perhaps still filming me leaving in my yellow Capri with black Vinyl roof.
[bold]You are free to check[/bold] as you may or may not desire.
Posted by: Charlie on 7:14pm today
Quote As has been said before, these miracle pushers are only after your cash.
Reply Well said
Charlie .
Religion (as is) has been almost totally discredited and
exposed as described so rightfully within this thread.
False Prophets are everywhere even
Tony Blair has jumped from Politics onto the Religious Bandwagon
has he not?
If these
Gold Teeth have been inserted as is
alleged . Then this is more
the work of the Devil as a Trickster and Con than that of and God.
Personally everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that. Yet as a True believer in
The Creator I could not agree that any God would place
Gold Teeth into anyone's mouth as so described.
I have come upon many things that are regarded as
Supernatural in a few cases some
have proved to be just that.
As to the posting
Posted by: free wessex, dorset on 3:08pm today
Quote Anyone
remember the strange events of Abbot Road Winton things that went bump in the night?
Reply Yes indeed I do
free wessex.
The case as I remember it was that of an
alleged poltergeist and a young boy who was allegedly talking to an
unseen friend in the garden of these premises, If this is the case you refer to?
I visited the premises shortly after the exposure in the media as to alleged
objects being hurled around by some unseen force.
I discovered that a next door neighbour had
committed suicide and was a close friend of those who were affected by this disruption.
That gave me a clue as to the source of the disruption, on investigating the area I found that the
old fashioned Gas meter resting on a shelf with rusted and broken brackets the
Mains Gas Pipe had had fracture lines and was about to burst.
We called the Gas Board and the piping etc. was replaced and made safe,
I told the residents of the house that I believe
all should now be OK, as in my opinion the spirit of the man who hung himself at home was not at rest, and was warning them as best he could
as to the possible explosion.
Later I called back to check if all was well, and upon leaving
I was interviewed by a reporter and Television crew
I told them what you read her and went on my way.
I believe the camera was perhaps still filming me leaving in my yellow Capri with black Vinyl roof.
You are free to check as you may or may not desire.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:35pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[bold]Jesusisthelord said: God has raised up Todd Bentley for such a time as this, Jesus is inside Him,[/bold]
Well, take that how you want, or is this another story
Jesusisthelord said: God has raised up Todd Bentley for such a time as this, Jesus is inside Him,
Well, take that how you want, or is this another story
Posted by: the owl, Bere van 10 on 9:47pm Wed 16 Jul 08
SCARY! was the poltergeist called 'Peter the Meter Reader'.
SCARY! was the poltergeist called 'Peter the Meter Reader'.
Posted by: mum45, upton on 9:57pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[bold]Jesusislord, Southampton.[/bold]
how can you put Jesus and Todd Bentley in the same category-this man is vile. Jesus said to the man to rise up and walk - he didnt headbut him or leg drop him. that's because he was doing it by the power of the Holy Spirit, not the one that Todd is filled with. You should read about Kundalini Yoga but most of all, read the Word and Jesus warns you all about people like this man in the last days. Do you think that a Holy God would use a man who cannot heal without his angel 'Emma', who hurts people (Jesus never did)and whose life and behaviour display none of the elements of the fruit of the Spirit? Dont get sucked in by lying signs and wonders. Try www.deceptionbytes.c
om for a little more enlightenment. I pray that God will open your eyes as with the thousands of others like you. "Narrow is the way and few are they that find it"
Jesusislord, Southampton.
how can you put Jesus and Todd Bentley in the same category-this man is vile. Jesus said to the man to rise up and walk - he didnt headbut him or leg drop him. that's because he was doing it by the power of the Holy Spirit, not the one that Todd is filled with. You should read about Kundalini Yoga but most of all, read the Word and Jesus warns you all about people like this man in the last days. Do you think that a Holy God would use a man who cannot heal without his angel 'Emma', who hurts people (Jesus never did)and whose life and behaviour display none of the elements of the fruit of the Spirit? Dont get sucked in by lying signs and wonders. Try www.deceptionbytes.c
om for a little more enlightenment. I pray that God will open your eyes as with the thousands of others like you. "Narrow is the way and few are they that find it"
Posted by: the owl, Bere Regis on 10:04pm Wed 16 Jul 08
False Prophets are everywhere even Tony Blair has jumped from Politics onto the Religious Bandwagon has he not?
your right there tony will be the POPE by christmas.
False Prophets are everywhere even Tony Blair has jumped from Politics onto the Religious Bandwagon has he not?
your right there tony will be the POPE by christmas.
Posted by: LynneinChgo, Chicago, Illinois,USA on 10:05pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Ha,ha- I've got some swampland in Florida to sell you!
Ha,ha- I've got some swampland in Florida to sell you!
Posted by: boysy, oakdale on 11:02pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Best laugh ive had in ages , good old echo what a story and even better was the advert under the article which said SCRAP METAL WANTED "," [/italic] Brilliant .
Best laugh ive had in ages , good old echo what a story and even better was the advert under the article which said SCRAP METAL WANTED "," Brilliant .
Posted by: berean, Bournemouth on 11:04pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Mum 24 is correct.
These ladies may well have gold teeth BUT be assured The Lord God of Israel did NOT give them. The man who is pastoring them is doing them a dis-service and will be accountable to God for not shepherding them in the way of the Lord. This movement is bringing Christianity into disrepute and mocking God. New Age spiritualism and astral projection - witchcraft.
