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Picnic protest at breastfeeding ban
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| Lib Dem MP Annette Brooke |
MUMS and babies are invited to join in a picnic in Bournemouth's Lower Gardens to highlight the campaign to give them the right to breastfeed in public places.
The event, from 12 noon to 4pm on Monday July 21 will coincide with similar picnics elsewhere in the country, including Parliament Square in London, Birmingham and Durham.
First time mother Sophie McInnes, a member of the Upton Bosom Buddies support group, explained: "There is a law in Scotland protecting hungry babies' right to be fed in public anywhere their mums choose, with no age limit, but no such law in England and Wales.
"The government seems to be proposing protection for babies up to six months, which isn't enough. Not all babies will take to the bottle, even if their mothers want to do that, and no-one likes to eat in a toilet."
Mid Dorset and North Poole MP Annette Brooke, Liberal Democrat spokeswoman for children and families, said she hoped the right to breastfeed would be included in the new Equality Bill.
| “People feel pressurised to give up when it’s made so difficult for them. Breastfeeding is natural, safe and healthy. It’s so important that we encourage it. I think the picnic is an excellent idea and I’ll go along if I’m invited.” | | Mid Dorset and North Poole MP Annette Brooke, Liberal Democrat spokeswoman for children and families |
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"I came across someone breastfeeding in a shopping centre toilet. That's a terrible reflection on society," she added.
"People feel pressurised to give up when it's made so difficult for them. Breastfeeding is natural, safe and healthy. It's so important that we encourage it. I think the picnic is an excellent idea and I'll go along if I'm invited."
In the UK, two per cent of babies are exclusively breastfed for the first six months, in line with World Health Organisation recommendations.
And it has been estimated that a 10 per cent increase in breastfeeding rates would save the NHS £5.6 million a year on treating children with glue ear, ear infections and asthma.
7:00am Saturday 12th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Kenneth Gray, poole on 10:25am Sat 12 Jul 08
Look
Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public
It needs to be done in private
It makes people feel uncomfortable
Not politically correct but TRUE
Look
Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public
It needs to be done in private
It makes people feel uncomfortable
Not politically correct but TRUE
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 10:28am Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Kenneth Gray[/bold] wrote:
Look Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public It needs to be done in private It makes people feel uncomfortable Not politically correct but TRUE [/quote] oh here we go, then tell me how you are supposed to feed the babies then and for your information no one gets their breast out in public!!! Unless your mistaking them for the people on the beach
Kenneth Gray wrote:
Look Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public It needs to be done in private It makes people feel uncomfortable Not politically correct but TRUE
oh here we go, then tell me how you are supposed to feed the babies then and for your information no one gets their breast out in public!!! Unless your mistaking them for the people on the beach
Posted by: silky, Bournemouth on 10:37am Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Kenneth Gray[/bold] wrote:
Look Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public It needs to be done in private It makes people feel uncomfortable Not politically correct but TRUE [/quote] Mmm but until every council in the country provides appropriate facilities in order for mothers not to make others feel uncomfortable what other option is there? I certainly wouldn't want my children fed in a public toilet any more than I would want to eat my lunchtime sarnies in there. I presume when you say "in public" you mean anyplace that a member of the public could see breastfeeding taking place. So that rules out cafes buses parks beaaches libraries etc etc.Please explain how you think this should be tackled.
Kenneth Gray wrote:
Look Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public It needs to be done in private It makes people feel uncomfortable Not politically correct but TRUE
Mmm but until every council in the country provides appropriate facilities in order for mothers not to make others feel uncomfortable what other option is there? I certainly wouldn't want my children fed in a public toilet any more than I would want to eat my lunchtime sarnies in there. I presume when you say "in public" you mean anyplace that a member of the public could see breastfeeding taking place. So that rules out cafes buses parks beaaches libraries etc etc.Please explain how you think this should be tackled.
Posted by: Adrian X, Poole on 10:59am Sat 12 Jul 08
I guess if you feel uncomfortable then you can just look away.
It's not like you see women with their breasts out on every corner.
It is currently not illegal to breastfeed in public places. The problem is in private establishments such as restaurants and shopping centres. This is where a new law is needed.
I guess if you feel uncomfortable then you can just look away.
It's not like you see women with their breasts out on every corner.
It is currently not illegal to breastfeed in public places. The problem is in private establishments such as restaurants and shopping centres. This is where a new law is needed.
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 11:11am Sat 12 Jul 08
I have been in restaurants where the person at the next table has made me feel physically sick at the way they were shoveling food into their mouths!
It never occured to me to ask them to move into the toilet!
I open the paper and on page three is a young woman who is apparently preparing to feed her baby!
I assume no-one asked her to go into the toilet either!
Seems to be a double standard operating here!
I have been in restaurants where the person at the next table has made me feel physically sick at the way they were shoveling food into their mouths!
It never occured to me to ask them to move into the toilet!
I open the paper and on page three is a young woman who is apparently preparing to feed her baby!
I assume no-one asked her to go into the toilet either!
Seems to be a double standard operating here!
Posted by: Kenneth Gray, poole on 11:51am Sat 12 Jul 08
Sorry but thats the truth of the matter
I speak for many people on this issue
Sorry but thats the truth of the matter
I speak for many people on this issue
Posted by: maznfamily, poole on 11:53am Sat 12 Jul 08
It is absolutely ludicrous that in this modern day and age a mother cannot do one of the most natural acts and feed her child without comments and stares from strangers. I feel really sorry for the women who feel forced to do it in toilets. I wouldn't be ashamed. Years ago you had no option but to feed your baby this way. Babies are better off being breast-fed. I didn't care where I was when feeding my babies. I was discreet about it. You don't have to lollop it out. My babies needs come first before any one elses opinion..wether I am at home or out in town...besides no-one has to look...
It is absolutely ludicrous that in this modern day and age a mother cannot do one of the most natural acts and feed her child without comments and stares from strangers. I feel really sorry for the women who feel forced to do it in toilets. I wouldn't be ashamed. Years ago you had no option but to feed your baby this way. Babies are better off being breast-fed. I didn't care where I was when feeding my babies. I was discreet about it. You don't have to lollop it out. My babies needs come first before any one elses opinion..wether I am at home or out in town...besides no-one has to look...
Posted by: maznfamily, poole on 12:04pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Kenneth Gray...your expression of discomfort is a sad reflection of the state of our culture and its disconnection from historic human family values. You are living in a culture and media trap that has so strongly sexualized breasts that you have become blind to their primary and most basic function.
Kenneth Gray...your expression of discomfort is a sad reflection of the state of our culture and its disconnection from historic human family values. You are living in a culture and media trap that has so strongly sexualized breasts that you have become blind to their primary and most basic function.
Posted by: DawnD, Bournemouth on 1:00pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Do we wonder why it's only 2% of babies that are breast fed when we have the attitudes like Kenneth Gray expresses, maybe all women should vote that men aren't allowed to go topless on the beach, see how they would like it!! Stopping a baby from eating just because you don't like the sight is atrocious in this day and age, it's natural and best for a growing baby, certainly more beautiful a thing than it is being made out to be. Use your hearts and brains before you pass judgement on mothers who want to give their children the very best start in life and commend them for having the guts and love for their child to do it in public!!! Women are told if breastfeeding NEVER to let the child go hungry, leave them alone and let them feed their babies.
Do we wonder why it's only 2% of babies that are breast fed when we have the attitudes like Kenneth Gray expresses, maybe all women should vote that men aren't allowed to go topless on the beach, see how they would like it!! Stopping a baby from eating just because you don't like the sight is atrocious in this day and age, it's natural and best for a growing baby, certainly more beautiful a thing than it is being made out to be. Use your hearts and brains before you pass judgement on mothers who want to give their children the very best start in life and commend them for having the guts and love for their child to do it in public!!! Women are told if breastfeeding NEVER to let the child go hungry, leave them alone and let them feed their babies.
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 3:32pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Carl Barron,
I do not often agree with what (or how) you write but I have to agree that your statements about the Echo's double standards are a worry!
If you provide a website for comment on a story I dont quite see that the whole thing needs to be shut down because some people get a bit carried away!
I have received some pretty cutting comments on my opinions but so what?
If I lead with my chin I deserve a quick (verbal) uppercut!
Freedom of speech is such a special gift that anyone who tries to take it away should be confronted and confronted and confronted!
Carl, keep on trying to convince me that you are right!
You probably wont!
Via con dios!
Carl Barron,
I do not often agree with what (or how) you write but I have to agree that your statements about the Echo's double standards are a worry!
If you provide a website for comment on a story I dont quite see that the whole thing needs to be shut down because some people get a bit carried away!
I have received some pretty cutting comments on my opinions but so what?
If I lead with my chin I deserve a quick (verbal) uppercut!
Freedom of speech is such a special gift that anyone who tries to take it away should be confronted and confronted and confronted!
Carl, keep on trying to convince me that you are right!
You probably wont!
Via con dios!
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 4:40pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote]Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public[/quote]
But this is a really ridiculous comment because women do not get their breasts [italic]out[/italic] when they feed their babies. Their breast (singular!) remains covered and tuck their babies under their tops. I have noticed mothers breast feeding babies in public before and you just don't see anything inappropriate at all.
Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public
But this is a really ridiculous comment because women do not get their breasts
out when they feed their babies. Their breast (singular!) remains covered and tuck their babies under their tops. I have noticed mothers breast feeding babies in public before and you just don't see anything inappropriate at all.
Posted by: silky, Bournemouth on 4:42pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]maznfamily[/bold] wrote:
Kenneth Gray...your expression of discomfort is a sad reflection of the state of our culture and its disconnection from historic human family values. You are living in a culture and media trap that has so strongly sexualized breasts that you have become blind to their primary and most basic function. [/quote] You have hit the nail right on the head.
maznfamily wrote:
Kenneth Gray...your expression of discomfort is a sad reflection of the state of our culture and its disconnection from historic human family values. You are living in a culture and media trap that has so strongly sexualized breasts that you have become blind to their primary and most basic function.
You have hit the nail right on the head.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 4:48pm Sat 12 Jul 08
According to a previous post he doesnt give his real name ?
According to a previous post he doesnt give his real name ?
Posted by: Hugh, Bournemouth on 4:56pm Sat 12 Jul 08
PETE WOODLEY on 4:48pm today
I would be suprised if he did not have more than one name.
It would be best if he were to be just simply ignored and reported.
PETE WOODLEY on 4:48pm today
I would be suprised if he did not have more than one name.
It would be best if he were to be just simply ignored and reported.
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 5:00pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Kenneth Gray[/bold] wrote:
Sorry but thats the truth of the matter I speak for many people on this issue [/quote] firstly you did not answer my question, how do people feed their babies?
secondly if you count the replies on this thread I think the majority are in favour of breast feeding
Kenneth Gray wrote:
Sorry but thats the truth of the matter I speak for many people on this issue
firstly you did not answer my question, how do people feed their babies?
secondly if you count the replies on this thread I think the majority are in favour of breast feeding
Posted by: Dasy Plant, Poole on 5:52pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Kenneth Gray[/bold] wrote:
Sorry but thats the truth of the matter I speak for many people on this issue [/quote] Ken old chap, I took a straw poll in the office (50:50 men and women) on things like this. Not one agrees with you - so dont claim to speak for many - you don't !!! :-)
Kenneth Gray wrote:
Sorry but thats the truth of the matter I speak for many people on this issue
Ken old chap, I took a straw poll in the office (50:50 men and women) on things like this. Not one agrees with you - so dont claim to speak for many - you don't !!! :-)
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 6:08pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Here we go again. Did we not have this discussion a few weeks ago when the poor mother was trying to innocently feed her baby in a Poole Coffee shop. This is a natural thing to do, and if anyone is perverted enough to oggle, and myself having seen from my own parenthood that one does not really see the breast, how can it be unfavourable.
Congratulations on Annette Brooks for setting up and backing this meeting on Monday. Look forward to seeing the reports on this matter.
On another subject. Why is this column being commandeered to reflect peoples thoughts on why another column was removed. Surely this is the way that this and other columns will be removed if we keep passing it from one to another.
We all know who the culprits are, so should the Echo and rid the forums of them.
Here we go again. Did we not have this discussion a few weeks ago when the poor mother was trying to innocently feed her baby in a Poole Coffee shop. This is a natural thing to do, and if anyone is perverted enough to oggle, and myself having seen from my own parenthood that one does not really see the breast, how can it be unfavourable.
Congratulations on Annette Brooks for setting up and backing this meeting on Monday. Look forward to seeing the reports on this matter.
On another subject. Why is this column being commandeered to reflect peoples thoughts on why another column was removed. Surely this is the way that this and other columns will be removed if we keep passing it from one to another.
We all know who the culprits are, so should the Echo and rid the forums of them.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 6:55pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote]This is a natural thing to do, and if anyone is perverted enough to oggle, and myself having seen from my own parenthood that one does not really see the breast, how can it be unfavourable[/quote]Hear Hear, I am all in favour of it myself.
[quote]We all know who the culprits are[/quote]I don't. Name them and shame them.
This is a natural thing to do, and if anyone is perverted enough to oggle, and myself having seen from my own parenthood that one does not really see the breast, how can it be unfavourable
Hear Hear, I am all in favour of it myself.
We all know who the culprits are
I don't. Name them and shame them.
Posted by: Hugh, Bournemouth on 7:37pm Sat 12 Jul 08
I fear for the future of Men in the feminist UK.
[quote][italic]Genesis 3
The Fall of Man
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"[/quote[/italic] ]
I fear for the future of Men in the feminist UK.
Genesis 3
The Fall of Man
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 7:41pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hugh[/bold] wrote:
I fear for the future of Men in the feminist UK. [quote][italic]Genesis 3 The Fall of Man 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. 8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." 11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" 12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"[/quote[/italic] ] [/quote] not sure where your going with this
Hugh wrote:
I fear for the future of Men in the feminist UK.
Genesis 3 The Fall of Man 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. 8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." 11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" 12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" not sure where your going with this Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:48pm Sat 12 Jul 08
I am familiar with the scriptures, but alas I fail to see how this relates to the story in question.
Are you trying to say that women should cover up, and or men should not see the naked flesh of the women.
As has been stated on this column and in others, it is unlikely that anyone will.
"Let women feed their children as nature intended"
I am familiar with the scriptures, but alas I fail to see how this relates to the story in question.
Are you trying to say that women should cover up, and or men should not see the naked flesh of the women.
As has been stated on this column and in others, it is unlikely that anyone will.
"Let women feed their children as nature intended"
Posted by: Dorsetman1986, Wimborne on 10:46pm Sat 12 Jul 08
As it happens and has been stated above, it's a natural thing, and many moons ago before such things as bottles were to do this as our main source of nutrition when we were infants, and until this natural facility ceases to exist I see no reason why people should be denied the right to do it.
It's about the baby, not your own personal comforts, for which you have the amazing provision of looking the other way or something along those lines if you don't like it.
I see no problem with breastfeeding in public, and it's not exactly a case of getting them out in public for a laugh - most of the time a mother will try and cover it up the best she can, and not have it right out.
If people are concerned about legislating in privately owned places such as shopping malls then surely the sensible option is to provide a screened area where mothers can gather and feed their young away from those who are offended? It doesn't cost much to get a simple screen or divide up in one section of the mall, and it doesn't even need to be policed. Anyone who goes behind there knows what will be there and if they egt offended by that point then it's their own problem!
As it happens and has been stated above, it's a natural thing, and many moons ago before such things as bottles were to do this as our main source of nutrition when we were infants, and until this natural facility ceases to exist I see no reason why people should be denied the right to do it.
It's about the baby, not your own personal comforts, for which you have the amazing provision of looking the other way or something along those lines if you don't like it.
I see no problem with breastfeeding in public, and it's not exactly a case of getting them out in public for a laugh - most of the time a mother will try and cover it up the best she can, and not have it right out.
If people are concerned about legislating in privately owned places such as shopping malls then surely the sensible option is to provide a screened area where mothers can gather and feed their young away from those who are offended? It doesn't cost much to get a simple screen or divide up in one section of the mall, and it doesn't even need to be policed. Anyone who goes behind there knows what will be there and if they egt offended by that point then it's their own problem!
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 10:28am Sun 13 Jul 08
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:48pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[bold]Quote [/bold] I am familiar with the scriptures, but alas I fail to see how this relates to the story in question.
[bold]Reply [/bold] Actually [bold]Christopher[/bold] the poster named [bold]Hugh[/bold] read between the lines, (as a figure of speech) when Laurie wrote[bold] "Via con dios!"[/bold] this as you may not know can have a double meaning. Go with God or [bold]Gods Last Messenger[/bold] hence the reference to the book of [bold]Genesis[/bold] .
As I said before when questiond as to the way I write I said," [bold]It is a message within a message".[/bold]
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:48pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Quote I am familiar with the scriptures, but alas I fail to see how this relates to the story in question.
Reply Actually
Christopher the poster named
Hugh read between the lines, (as a figure of speech) when Laurie wrote
"Via con dios!" this as you may not know can have a double meaning. Go with God or
Gods Last Messenger hence the reference to the book of
Genesis .
As I said before when questiond as to the way I write I said,"
It is a message within a message".
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 10:32am Sun 13 Jul 08
Italics weren't supposed to be, pity we can't have a preview box?
Time is running out so I must go.
Italics weren't supposed to be, pity we can't have a preview box?
Time is running out so I must go.
Posted by: gobzilla on 10:37am Sun 13 Jul 08
you kicking the bucket or what take an asporen
you kicking the bucket or what take an asporen
Posted by: silky, Bournemouth on 11:00am Sun 13 Jul 08
Sorry what weird world have I just entered???
Sorry what weird world have I just entered???
Posted by: gobzilla on 11:19am Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]silky[/bold] wrote:
Sorry what weird world have I just entered???[/quote] get a preview of you own funeral old man.
silky wrote:
Sorry what weird world have I just entered???
get a preview of you own funeral old man.
Posted by: fiona, Bournemouth on 11:25am Sun 13 Jul 08
Some woman do it in such a way that unless
you were to look upon it intensely, it
wouldn't even occur to you they were breastfeeding- And some woman are so
good at being discrete that they can actually maintain
a round of comversation as though nothing
else were going on
However I do think that women should only feed 'young' babies in public
Some woman do it in such a way that unless
you were to look upon it intensely, it
wouldn't even occur to you they were breastfeeding- And some woman are so
good at being discrete that they can actually maintain
a round of comversation as though nothing
else were going on
However I do think that women should only feed 'young' babies in public
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 11:31am Sun 13 Jul 08
glad to see a vast majority do not agree with kenneth
glad to see a vast majority do not agree with kenneth
Posted by: Hugh, Bournemouth on 11:50am Sun 13 Jul 08
hoppity, hamworthy on 7:41pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:48pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Sorry, I should have been less vague.
Let me emphasis that the following is my personal view, and that your personal view is as important and valid as mine.
[italic]Genesis 3 The Fall of Man[/italic]
With the coming of knowledge and wisdom came an awareness of nakedness and a desire to cover it. Hence knowledge and wisdom are associate with a sense of concern about nakedness. This can be seen all round the world in communities where knowledge is the dominant force. The odd exception just proves the rule.
Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother who will use this power of public exposure to discomfort and drive away those who are not in their family group.
What will be the effect of this on a sexually frustrated Man and a Woman who longs for but is unable to have a baby?
My present view is that breast feeding in public in not a Christian or considerate act; and that private facilities in public places for feeding should have been provided long ago.
I shall now stay silent so that other may express their views without distraction or discouragement. But I shall be reading with interest.
hoppity, hamworthy on 7:41pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:48pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Sorry, I should have been less vague.
Let me emphasis that the following is my personal view, and that your personal view is as important and valid as mine.
Genesis 3 The Fall of Man
With the coming of knowledge and wisdom came an awareness of nakedness and a desire to cover it. Hence knowledge and wisdom are associate with a sense of concern about nakedness. This can be seen all round the world in communities where knowledge is the dominant force. The odd exception just proves the rule.
Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother who will use this power of public exposure to discomfort and drive away those who are not in their family group.
What will be the effect of this on a sexually frustrated Man and a Woman who longs for but is unable to have a baby?
My present view is that breast feeding in public in not a Christian or considerate act; and that private facilities in public places for feeding should have been provided long ago.
I shall now stay silent so that other may express their views without distraction or discouragement. But I shall be reading with interest.
Posted by: Sophie McInnes, Poole, UK on 11:53am Sun 13 Jul 08
However I do think that women should only feed 'young' babies in public[/italic]
hi Fiona (and others who are either wholly or partially against breastfeeding in public),
The trouble with this is, what is the definition of "young" and how would anyone enforce such a rule? Would mums be expected to carry their baby's birth certificate about with them? Would you expect a 7 month old's mum to run and hide when her baby gets hungry, or can you accept that a quick bit of nursing will keep the little one from crying and maintain a happy atmosphere?
This is the whole point of the picnic:
a) to demonstrate that breastfeeding in public is not disgusting, and to show that mums only expose what the baby needs (and even then, once the baby has latched on there is nothing left to see!), and
b) to do away with a limitation on what is "ok", because what happens on that specific date? Not all babies take to a bottle easily, nor formula, and not all mums can express milk in large enough quantities to satisfy a hungry baby. Suddenly she must choose between being furtive, back in the quasi-legal zone we have at the moment - not illegal, but not protected - or add another bag to her arsenal as she lugs about the necessary bottle-feeding paraphernalia.
Too few mums reach the NHS recommended 6 months' breastfeeding already, without staring at a big, bouncy 4 month old as if to ask whether (s)he's "over-age", or glaring at a 12 month old because shock!horror (s)he's still breastfeeding?! Just let mums get on with it, because chances are you won't notice a thing other than a happy, smiling, full baby.
I do know that many people think that breastfeeding toddlers is a step too far, but can any of you say that you've actually seen such a thing in practice? The WHO recommends breastfeeding up to two years old, and some will indeed continue past this age, but when only 2% of the UK population make it to 6 months, I think it's safe to say that you're barking up a very rare tree.
Come to the picnic if you'd like to know more! (and to the gentleman who'd like to take photos, you'll be hard pressed to see anything but a bunch of contented babies and mums)
Kind regards, Sophie McInnes
However I do think that women should only feed 'young' babies in public
hi Fiona (and others who are either wholly or partially against breastfeeding in public),
The trouble with this is, what is the definition of "young" and how would anyone enforce such a rule? Would mums be expected to carry their baby's birth certificate about with them? Would you expect a 7 month old's mum to run and hide when her baby gets hungry, or can you accept that a quick bit of nursing will keep the little one from crying and maintain a happy atmosphere?
This is the whole point of the picnic:
a) to demonstrate that breastfeeding in public is not disgusting, and to show that mums only expose what the baby needs (and even then, once the baby has latched on there is nothing left to see!), and
b) to do away with a limitation on what is "ok", because what happens on that specific date? Not all babies take to a bottle easily, nor formula, and not all mums can express milk in large enough quantities to satisfy a hungry baby. Suddenly she must choose between being furtive, back in the quasi-legal zone we have at the moment - not illegal, but not protected - or add another bag to her arsenal as she lugs about the necessary bottle-feeding paraphernalia.
Too few mums reach the NHS recommended 6 months' breastfeeding already, without staring at a big, bouncy 4 month old as if to ask whether (s)he's "over-age", or glaring at a 12 month old because shock!horror (s)he's still breastfeeding?! Just let mums get on with it, because chances are you won't notice a thing other than a happy, smiling, full baby.
I do know that many people think that breastfeeding toddlers is a step too far, but can any of you say that you've actually seen such a thing in practice? The WHO recommends breastfeeding up to two years old, and some will indeed continue past this age, but when only 2% of the UK population make it to 6 months, I think it's safe to say that you're barking up a very rare tree.
Come to the picnic if you'd like to know more! (and to the gentleman who'd like to take photos, you'll be hard pressed to see anything but a bunch of contented babies and mums)
Kind regards, Sophie McInnes
Posted by: Sophie McInnes, Poole, UK on 11:55am Sun 13 Jul 08
However I do think that women should only feed 'young' babies in public[/italic]
hi Fiona (and others who are either wholly or partially against breastfeeding in public),
The trouble with this is, what is the definition of "young" and how would anyone enforce such a rule? Would mums be expected to carry their baby's birth certificate about with them? Would you expect a 7 month old's mum to run and hide when her baby gets hungry, or can you accept that a quick bit of nursing will keep the little one from crying and maintain a happy atmosphere?
This is the whole point of the picnic:
a) to demonstrate that breastfeeding in public is not disgusting, and to show that mums only expose what the baby needs (and even then, once the baby has latched on there is nothing left to see!), and
b) to do away with a limitation on what is "ok", because what happens on that specific date? Not all babies take to a bottle easily, nor formula, and not all mums can express milk in large enough quantities to satisfy a hungry baby. Suddenly she must choose between being furtive, back in the quasi-legal zone we have at the moment - not illegal, but not protected - or add another bag to her arsenal as she lugs about the necessary bottle-feeding paraphernalia.
Too few mums reach the NHS recommended 6 months' breastfeeding already, without staring at a big, bouncy 4 month old as if to ask whether (s)he's "over-age", or glaring at a 12 month old because shock!horror (s)he's still breastfeeding?! Just let mums get on with it, because chances are you won't notice a thing other than a happy, smiling, full baby.
I do know that many people think that breastfeeding toddlers is a step too far, but can any of you say that you've actually seen such a thing in practice? The WHO recommends breastfeeding up to two years old, and some will indeed continue past this age, but when only 2% of the UK population make it to 6 months, I think it's safe to say that you're barking up a very rare tree.
Come to the picnic if you'd like to know more! (and to the gentleman who'd like to take photos, you'll be hard pressed to see anything but a bunch of contented babies and mums)
Kind regards, Sophie McInnes
However I do think that women should only feed 'young' babies in public
hi Fiona (and others who are either wholly or partially against breastfeeding in public),
The trouble with this is, what is the definition of "young" and how would anyone enforce such a rule? Would mums be expected to carry their baby's birth certificate about with them? Would you expect a 7 month old's mum to run and hide when her baby gets hungry, or can you accept that a quick bit of nursing will keep the little one from crying and maintain a happy atmosphere?
This is the whole point of the picnic:
a) to demonstrate that breastfeeding in public is not disgusting, and to show that mums only expose what the baby needs (and even then, once the baby has latched on there is nothing left to see!), and
b) to do away with a limitation on what is "ok", because what happens on that specific date? Not all babies take to a bottle easily, nor formula, and not all mums can express milk in large enough quantities to satisfy a hungry baby. Suddenly she must choose between being furtive, back in the quasi-legal zone we have at the moment - not illegal, but not protected - or add another bag to her arsenal as she lugs about the necessary bottle-feeding paraphernalia.
Too few mums reach the NHS recommended 6 months' breastfeeding already, without staring at a big, bouncy 4 month old as if to ask whether (s)he's "over-age", or glaring at a 12 month old because shock!horror (s)he's still breastfeeding?! Just let mums get on with it, because chances are you won't notice a thing other than a happy, smiling, full baby.
I do know that many people think that breastfeeding toddlers is a step too far, but can any of you say that you've actually seen such a thing in practice? The WHO recommends breastfeeding up to two years old, and some will indeed continue past this age, but when only 2% of the UK population make it to 6 months, I think it's safe to say that you're barking up a very rare tree.
Come to the picnic if you'd like to know more! (and to the gentleman who'd like to take photos, you'll be hard pressed to see anything but a bunch of contented babies and mums)
Kind regards, Sophie McInnes
Posted by: Hugh, Bournemouth on 11:59am Sun 13 Jul 08
correction -
'My present view is that breast feeding in public [bold]is[/bold] not a Christian or considerate act'
correction -
'My present view is that breast feeding in public
is not a Christian or considerate act'
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 12:02pm Sun 13 Jul 08
Carl,
The "Via con dios" that I write has no hidden meanings and I am not (believe it or not), Gods last messenger!
You may have noticed that your comment has been deleted.
The "message within a message" police are active again!
The whole point is that women who breast feed their babies are doing exactly what their bodies have been constructed for!
I wonder what these people who complain would have said before formula milk was invented?
Carl,
The "Via con dios" that I write has no hidden meanings and I am not (believe it or not), Gods last messenger!
You may have noticed that your comment has been deleted.
The "message within a message" police are active again!
The whole point is that women who breast feed their babies are doing exactly what their bodies have been constructed for!
I wonder what these people who complain would have said before formula milk was invented?
Posted by: gobzilla on 12:03pm Sun 13 Jul 08
70 years later and slopperty is still on t bottle
70 years later and slopperty is still on t bottle
Posted by: Sophie McInnes on 12:06pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[italic]Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother[/italic][/italic][/italic][/italic][/italic]
I have yet to meet such an aggressive mother, Hugh, though I don't doubt that they exist. We also like to complain about dreadful taxi drivers, ASBO-laden teenagers and people who like to do DIY at 7am on a Sunday morning, but the vast majority of the population - including taxi drivers, teenagers and DIY enthusiasts - responsible members of the community.
Hanging it all out isn't appropriate, you're right (although she could be tandem nursing!), but there's no reason to condemn every breastfeeding mum out there just because a few cross the line.
Breastfeeding is a healthy choice for both baby and mum. It is normal, natural and worthy of celebration.
Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother
I have yet to meet such an aggressive mother, Hugh, though I don't doubt that they exist. We also like to complain about dreadful taxi drivers, ASBO-laden teenagers and people who like to do DIY at 7am on a Sunday morning, but the vast majority of the population - including taxi drivers, teenagers and DIY enthusiasts - responsible members of the community.
Hanging it all out isn't appropriate, you're right (although she could be tandem nursing!), but there's no reason to condemn every breastfeeding mum out there just because a few cross the line.
Breastfeeding is a healthy choice for both baby and mum. It is normal, natural and worthy of celebration.
Posted by: Hugh, Bournemouth on 12:07pm Sun 13 Jul 08
As my post does not seem to have gone in I repeat it here -
hoppity, hamworthy on 7:41pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:48pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Sorry, I should have been less vague.
Let me emphasis that the following is my personal view, and that your personal view is as important and valid as mine.
Genesis 3 The Fall of Man
With the coming of knowledge and wisdom came an awareness of nakedness and a desire to cover it. Hence knowledge and wisdom are associate with a sense of concern about nakedness. This can be seen all round the world in communities where knowledge is the dominant force. The odd exception just proves the rule.
Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother who will use this power of public exposure to discomfort and drive away those who are not in their family group.
What will be the effect of this on a sexually frustrated Man and a Woman who longs for but is unable to have a baby?
My present view is that breast feeding in public is not a Christian or considerate act; and that private facilities in public places for feeding should have been provided long ago.
I shall now stay silent so that other may express their views without distraction or discouragement. But I shall be reading with interest.
As my post does not seem to have gone in I repeat it here -
hoppity, hamworthy on 7:41pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:48pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Sorry, I should have been less vague.
Let me emphasis that the following is my personal view, and that your personal view is as important and valid as mine.
Genesis 3 The Fall of Man
With the coming of knowledge and wisdom came an awareness of nakedness and a desire to cover it. Hence knowledge and wisdom are associate with a sense of concern about nakedness. This can be seen all round the world in communities where knowledge is the dominant force. The odd exception just proves the rule.
Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother who will use this power of public exposure to discomfort and drive away those who are not in their family group.
What will be the effect of this on a sexually frustrated Man and a Woman who longs for but is unable to have a baby?
My present view is that breast feeding in public is not a Christian or considerate act; and that private facilities in public places for feeding should have been provided long ago.
I shall now stay silent so that other may express their views without distraction or discouragement. But I shall be reading with interest.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 12:16pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote:
Carl, The "Via con dios" that I write has no hidden meanings and I am not (believe it or not), Gods last messenger! You may have noticed that your comment has been deleted. The "message within a message" police are active again! The whole point is that women who breast feed their babies are doing exactly what their bodies have been constructed for! I wonder what these people who complain would have said before formula milk was invented? [/quote] laurie, me old cobber, Carl's message is still there. Yer gotta lay orf them tinnies on Sunday morn, git yorselv ort and bang a few roos for Sunday roast.
I'll be down Bournemouth's Lower Gardens tomorrow with my camcorder, see you lads down there!! Women!, aren't they wonderful.
Ain't life grand?!
laurie marsh wrote:
Carl, The "Via con dios" that I write has no hidden meanings and I am not (believe it or not), Gods last messenger! You may have noticed that your comment has been deleted. The "message within a message" police are active again! The whole point is that women who breast feed their babies are doing exactly what their bodies have been constructed for! I wonder what these people who complain would have said before formula milk was invented?
laurie, me old cobber, Carl's message is still there. Yer gotta lay orf them tinnies on Sunday morn, git yorselv ort and bang a few roos for Sunday roast.
I'll be down Bournemouth's Lower Gardens tomorrow with my camcorder, see you lads down there!! Women!, aren't they wonderful.
Ain't life grand?!
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 12:18pm Sun 13 Jul 08
hugh I read your comments
1, the sexually frustrated man will be turned on by any flesh showing so that will mean every woman should go out in muslim type clothes
2 a woman who is unable to have children had better then avoid all families who are out with their children breast feeding or not
May I politely say your comments are in my opinion not valid
3 I do not remember in my experiences of church and I have also asked a close friend who is a vicar any objections to breast feeding in public discreetly as long as it does not involve any unnecessary nudity
hugh I read your comments
1, the sexually frustrated man will be turned on by any flesh showing so that will mean every woman should go out in muslim type clothes
2 a woman who is unable to have children had better then avoid all families who are out with their children breast feeding or not
May I politely say your comments are in my opinion not valid
3 I do not remember in my experiences of church and I have also asked a close friend who is a vicar any objections to breast feeding in public discreetly as long as it does not involve any unnecessary nudity
Posted by: fiona, Bournemouth on 12:30pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hugh[/bold] wrote:
PETE WOODLEY on 4:48pm today I would be suprised if he did not have more than one name. It would be best if he were to be just simply ignored and reported.[/quote]
If something is a personal attack and abusive then yes complain
If an online user states a factual occurence or an opinion that you dont happen to agree with then that is no cause for complaint-
Hugh wrote:
PETE WOODLEY on 4:48pm today I would be suprised if he did not have more than one name. It would be best if he were to be just simply ignored and reported.
If something is a personal attack and abusive then yes complain
If an online user states a factual occurence or an opinion that you dont happen to agree with then that is no cause for complaint-
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 12:39pm Sun 13 Jul 08
HAL101,
The message that I was refering to HAS been deleted.
I suggest that when you take your camcorder to the gardens you take your circle of friends with you, you know, as many mirrors as you can carry!
"Aint life grand?", In your case dont you mean "ignorance is bliss"?
P.S. I think that you have seen too many Chips Rafferty movies!
HAL101,
The message that I was refering to HAS been deleted.
I suggest that when you take your camcorder to the gardens you take your circle of friends with you, you know, as many mirrors as you can carry!
"Aint life grand?", In your case dont you mean "ignorance is bliss"?
P.S. I think that you have seen too many Chips Rafferty movies!
Posted by: Sophie McInnes on 12:45pm Sun 13 Jul 08
No point going to the Gardens tomorrow, HAL101. The picnic is on Monday **21st** July.
You won't see anything worth leering over though, unless it's the babies themselves - in which case rest assured that the local police will be keeping an eye on both us and anyone showing an inappropriate level of interest.
No point going to the Gardens tomorrow, HAL101. The picnic is on Monday **21st** July.
You won't see anything worth leering over though, unless it's the babies themselves - in which case rest assured that the local police will be keeping an eye on both us and anyone showing an inappropriate level of interest.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 1:06pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sophie McInnes[/bold] wrote:
No point going to the Gardens tomorrow, HAL101. The picnic is on Monday **21st** July. You won't see anything worth leering over though, unless it's the babies themselves - in which case rest assured that the local police will be keeping an eye on both us and anyone showing an inappropriate level of interest.[/quote] Many thanks but I'll go anyway, just in case anything interesting turns up.
I'll wager money that at least one mum get them out on the BIG day.
Sophie McInnes wrote:
No point going to the Gardens tomorrow, HAL101. The picnic is on Monday **21st** July. You won't see anything worth leering over though, unless it's the babies themselves - in which case rest assured that the local police will be keeping an eye on both us and anyone showing an inappropriate level of interest.
Many thanks but I'll go anyway, just in case anything interesting turns up.
I'll wager money that at least one mum get them out on the BIG day.
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 1:20pm Sun 13 Jul 08
HAL101,
Why not do your bit to save the planet?
Instead of wasting fuel on a trip to the gardens may I make this suggestion?
If suicide is not an option why not buy a newspaper and use your camcorder to record page 3?
I take it that your mother used a bottle on you?
I hope that you do not have facial scars!
HAL101,
Why not do your bit to save the planet?
Instead of wasting fuel on a trip to the gardens may I make this suggestion?
If suicide is not an option why not buy a newspaper and use your camcorder to record page 3?
I take it that your mother used a bottle on you?
I hope that you do not have facial scars!
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 1:30pm Sun 13 Jul 08
laurie marsh, australia on 1:20pm today
[quote]why not buy a newspaper and use your camcorder to record page 3?[/quote] Good suggestion, I have always appreciated the nice young hot chicks who don't mind getting them out to make the world a happier place, whether it is for a hungry baby or a husky big male. Not a lot of difference between the two when you think about it.
[bold]: )[/bold]
[bold]HA![/bold]
I am off the thread, I do not want it deleted because of me. You can have the last say laurie.
laurie marsh, australia on 1:20pm today
why not buy a newspaper and use your camcorder to record page 3?
Good suggestion, I have always appreciated the nice young hot chicks who don't mind getting them out to make the world a happier place, whether it is for a hungry baby or a husky big male. Not a lot of difference between the two when you think about it.
: )
HA!
I am off the thread, I do not want it deleted because of me. You can have the last say laurie.
Posted by: Morgangee, The Picnic on 1:31pm Sun 13 Jul 08
Gentleman,
I just thought I'd thank you for your excellent efforts in supporting our campaign. The more you whitter on about 'getting them out' and bringing camcorders and 'leering', and somesuch... the more you prove the case.
Hungry babies and their Mums need protection from harrssment, intimidation and being asked to stop feeding. It's so lovely of you to reveal yourself like this, and let others know just how needed the protection is. I imagine quite a few people are reading these comments and shaking their head in disbeleif.
See... we told you so!!! :-)
I do think it's marvelous that you are putting all this effort into showing up the ridiculous double, nay, triple standards in our culture at the moment. That you feel it's perfectly acceptable to discuss woman's bodies in this manner, whilst also rubbing your hands in glee at the thought of a quick flash. When all you have to do to get a very long flash, is buy a magazine, or even look up at the billboards surrounding the park and find a bra advert!
It's no coincidence that the Vatican recently requested the naked breasted paintings of Mary breastfeeding Jesus be brought out of the cupboards and put back up on the walls of the Churches! For the irony that we can stare all day long at breasts to sell products, but look at one feeding a baby, is now just so 'in your face' that uncovering the Art treasures to show how normal and natual it is, is the only way to go!
Women are out of the back bedroom gentlemen, and in charge of their own lives now. You can't scare us all back indoors with screams of outrage if our babies get hungry. Or threats to photograph us.
And I do have to say gentleman, if a quick flash of a nipple whilst a squirmy baby moves about, is your idea of titilation.. then all we feel for you, is sorrow and sympathy. If you are so lonely, and so deprived of normal human contact, that you resort to oggling breastfeeding babies in hope of some magical moment of arousal... I'm sure there are charities to help you integrate better into our society. Perhaps it's too painful for you to admit the attraction is actually seeing a loving bond, where one human being is caring utterly for another? That must hurt, if you're that lonely or isolated or repressed. No doubt you find holding hands in public or kissing in the street equally repulsive. So sorry for your emptiness and loss. *hugs*
Anyone offended is free to look away.
Hungry babies get fed. End of. Hysteria over the feeding method, is your problem. Deal with it. :-)
But do keep posting, as I said, it's really strengthening the case for the need for protection from you!
Gentleman,
I just thought I'd thank you for your excellent efforts in supporting our campaign. The more you whitter on about 'getting them out' and bringing camcorders and 'leering', and somesuch... the more you prove the case.
Hungry babies and their Mums need protection from harrssment, intimidation and being asked to stop feeding. It's so lovely of you to reveal yourself like this, and let others know just how needed the protection is. I imagine quite a few people are reading these comments and shaking their head in disbeleif.
See... we told you so!!! :-)
I do think it's marvelous that you are putting all this effort into showing up the ridiculous double, nay, triple standards in our culture at the moment. That you feel it's perfectly acceptable to discuss woman's bodies in this manner, whilst also rubbing your hands in glee at the thought of a quick flash. When all you have to do to get a very long flash, is buy a magazine, or even look up at the billboards surrounding the park and find a bra advert!
It's no coincidence that the Vatican recently requested the naked breasted paintings of Mary breastfeeding Jesus be brought out of the cupboards and put back up on the walls of the Churches! For the irony that we can stare all day long at breasts to sell products, but look at one feeding a baby, is now just so 'in your face' that uncovering the Art treasures to show how normal and natual it is, is the only way to go!
Women are out of the back bedroom gentlemen, and in charge of their own lives now. You can't scare us all back indoors with screams of outrage if our babies get hungry. Or threats to photograph us.
And I do have to say gentleman, if a quick flash of a nipple whilst a squirmy baby moves about, is your idea of titilation.. then all we feel for you, is sorrow and sympathy. If you are so lonely, and so deprived of normal human contact, that you resort to oggling breastfeeding babies in hope of some magical moment of arousal... I'm sure there are charities to help you integrate better into our society. Perhaps it's too painful for you to admit the attraction is actually seeing a loving bond, where one human being is caring utterly for another? That must hurt, if you're that lonely or isolated or repressed. No doubt you find holding hands in public or kissing in the street equally repulsive. So sorry for your emptiness and loss. *hugs*
Anyone offended is free to look away.
Hungry babies get fed. End of. Hysteria over the feeding method, is your problem. Deal with it. :-)
But do keep posting, as I said, it's really strengthening the case for the need for protection from you!
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 1:35pm Sun 13 Jul 08
Morgangee, The Picnic on 1:31pm today
Wow! that has got to be the best post of the week.
I am humbled.
Morgangee, The Picnic on 1:31pm today
Wow! that has got to be the best post of the week.
I am humbled.
Posted by: lorayn, bicester on 2:20pm Sun 13 Jul 08
Don't worry Hugh you won't see my breasts out in public.
My son is a great judge of character and fortunately for you bigots put him off his food.
Don't worry Hugh you won't see my breasts out in public.
My son is a great judge of character and fortunately for you bigots put him off his food.
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 2:22pm Sun 13 Jul 08
you can trust the men to lower the serious subject of breastfeeding to "page 3" it's a shame. It seems that a lot of men are very sympathetic to the cause but a minority are making idiotic comments. I hope the picnic goes well if my daughter can have the car she will at the picnic with myself ( if i get mine out that should scare off the perverts)
you can trust the men to lower the serious subject of breastfeeding to "page 3" it's a shame. It seems that a lot of men are very sympathetic to the cause but a minority are making idiotic comments. I hope the picnic goes well if my daughter can have the car she will at the picnic with myself ( if i get mine out that should scare off the perverts)
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 2:36pm Sun 13 Jul 08
If there are any more bras "burnt" the perverts will have a field day!
I hope you dont need Germaine Greer!
If there are any more bras "burnt" the perverts will have a field day!
I hope you dont need Germaine Greer!
Posted by: fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 2:41pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]HAL101[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote: Carl, The "Via con dios" that I write has no hidden meanings and I am not (believe it or not), Gods last messenger! You may have noticed that your comment has been deleted. The "message within a message" police are active again! The whole point is that women who breast feed their babies are doing exactly what their bodies have been constructed for! I wonder what these people who complain would have said before formula milk was invented? [/quote] laurie, me old cobber, Carl's message is still there. Yer gotta lay orf them tinnies on Sunday morn, git yorselv ort and bang a few roos for Sunday roast. I'll be down Bournemouth's Lower Gardens tomorrow with my camcorder, see you lads down there!! Women!, aren't they wonderful. Ain't life grand?! [/quote] Probably find that all the Council pervs are watching this on their CCTV monitors - hope none of these women drop a dog end whilst breastfeeding :-)
HAL101 wrote:
laurie marsh wrote: Carl, The "Via con dios" that I write has no hidden meanings and I am not (believe it or not), Gods last messenger! You may have noticed that your comment has been deleted. The "message within a message" police are active again! The whole point is that women who breast feed their babies are doing exactly what their bodies have been constructed for! I wonder what these people who complain would have said before formula milk was invented?
laurie, me old cobber, Carl's message is still there. Yer gotta lay orf them tinnies on Sunday morn, git yorselv ort and bang a few roos for Sunday roast. I'll be down Bournemouth's Lower Gardens tomorrow with my camcorder, see you lads down there!! Women!, aren't they wonderful. Ain't life grand?!
Probably find that all the Council pervs are watching this on their CCTV monitors - hope none of these women drop a dog end whilst breastfeeding :-)
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 3:17pm Sun 13 Jul 08
Fedup etc.,
Where the hell did you crawl out of?
Fedup etc.,
Where the hell did you crawl out of?
Posted by: fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 4:59pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote:
Fedup etc., Where the hell did you crawl out of?[/quote] Chill .... I was only joking!
laurie marsh wrote:
Fedup etc., Where the hell did you crawl out of?
Chill .... I was only joking!
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 7:17pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote: Fedup etc., Where the hell did you crawl out of?[/quote] Chill .... I was only joking![/quote] just a tip for you fedup when you are joking put lol it helps others to understand although i got the sarcasm with the fag butt reference as it would seem that dropping fag ends and breast feeding in public are a bigger offence than beating people up these days
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
laurie marsh wrote: Fedup etc., Where the hell did you crawl out of?
Chill .... I was only joking!
just a tip for you fedup when you are joking put lol it helps others to understand although i got the sarcasm with the fag butt reference as it would seem that dropping fag ends and breast feeding in public are a bigger offence than beating people up these days
Posted by: Wigie, Bournemouth on 7:25pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Kenneth Gray[/bold] wrote:
Look Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public It needs to be done in private It makes people feel uncomfortable Not politically correct but TRUE [/quote] Babies drink milk just like adults eat food. Would you like to eat your food in private where no one can see you? In the toilet perhaps?
Kenneth Gray wrote:
Look Sorry but I dont want to see women getting their breasts out in public It needs to be done in private It makes people feel uncomfortable Not politically correct but TRUE
Babies drink milk just like adults eat food. Would you like to eat your food in private where no one can see you? In the toilet perhaps?
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 9:36pm Sun 13 Jul 08
As a man and a gentleman, I am appalled at the way some male members have reacted to this story. I am sure like me that most are father's, and also like me, have had their children breast fed.
Yet I read that breast feeding is being categorised as the same regarding viewing as the Page 3 of a certain national paper. How pathetic is that. Likewise those who say it is not christain, or supported by the Church. Besides the fact that the Church today does not support anything although it is all in the book so to speak, it has already been said about the Vatican bringing out the picture of Mary breast feeding Jesus.
How cannot see how some thing that is suppose to be natural, better for the child can be related in anyway as the sexual inuendos portrayed on this forum.
Although I for one have no intention of being at the Picnic in the Gardens, I do support what this meeting is all about. I also believe that should be no age restricted either. A friend of mine was breast feeding her child at 16 months, and still producing milk.
Godd luck ladies for the 21st. The country wants to go natural, then lead the way ladies.
As a man and a gentleman, I am appalled at the way some male members have reacted to this story. I am sure like me that most are father's, and also like me, have had their children breast fed.
Yet I read that breast feeding is being categorised as the same regarding viewing as the Page 3 of a certain national paper. How pathetic is that. Likewise those who say it is not christain, or supported by the Church. Besides the fact that the Church today does not support anything although it is all in the book so to speak, it has already been said about the Vatican bringing out the picture of Mary breast feeding Jesus.
How cannot see how some thing that is suppose to be natural, better for the child can be related in anyway as the sexual inuendos portrayed on this forum.
Although I for one have no intention of being at the Picnic in the Gardens, I do support what this meeting is all about. I also believe that should be no age restricted either. A friend of mine was breast feeding her child at 16 months, and still producing milk.
Godd luck ladies for the 21st. The country wants to go natural, then lead the way ladies.
Posted by: Badger, Poole on 11:47am Mon 14 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Kenneth Gray[/bold] wrote:
Sorry but thats the truth of the matter I speak for many people on this issue [/quote] Where's your evidence to prove that you [italic]'speak for many people on this issue'[/italic]? Unless you can provide the evidence please don't make silly statements claiming to know what we think.
You know, you could always look the other way if you see a mother breastfeeding her child, or do you much prefer to moan about it instead? If I were you Ken, I'd think about getting some professional help as you obviously have a few hang-ups about the naked human body!!
Kenneth Gray wrote:
Sorry but thats the truth of the matter I speak for many people on this issue
Where's your evidence to prove that you
'speak for many people on this issue'? Unless you can provide the evidence please don't make silly statements claiming to know what we think.
You know, you could always look the other way if you see a mother breastfeeding her child, or do you much prefer to moan about it instead? If I were you Ken, I'd think about getting some professional help as you obviously have a few hang-ups about the naked human body!!
Posted by: RichT, Christchurch on 12:19pm Mon 14 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hugh[/bold] wrote:
correction - 'My present view is that breast feeding in public [bold]is[/bold] not a Christian or considerate act'[/quote] Hugh - I don't understand why you think that a woman doing something natural and which God invented, in a discrete way in public, is "not Christian".
What kind of church do you attend?
Hugh wrote:
correction - 'My present view is that breast feeding in public is not a Christian or considerate act'
Hugh - I don't understand why you think that a woman doing something natural and which God invented, in a discrete way in public, is "not Christian".
What kind of church do you attend?
Posted by: Hugh, Bournemouth on 5:44pm Mon 14 Jul 08
RichT, Christchurch on 12:19pm today
Let me emphasis that the following is my personal view, and that your personal view is as important and valid as mine.
Genesis 3 The Fall of Man
With the coming of knowledge and wisdom came an awareness of nakedness and a desire to cover it. Hence knowledge and wisdom are associate with a sense of concern about nakedness. This was in the Garden of Eden and hence must have been part of God's will. This can be seen all round the world in communities where knowledge is the dominant force. The odd exception just proves the rule.
Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother who will use this power of public exposure to discomfort and drive away those who are not in their family group.
What will be the effect of this on a sexually frustrated Man and a Woman who longs for but is unable to have a baby? It will create a confrontational situation, provoking quarreling and conflict, which no Christian desires.
Hence my present view is that breast feeding in public in not a Christian or considerate act.
There were sound practical reasons for the old laws and ways and they should not be cast aside without care and science based checks and tests. i.e. experiments. If the present bill of equality is to be accepted it should first be given a trial over a reasonable period of time (one year) in a area that represents the country as a whole.
Tony Blair (RC) did this before the passing of laws, and as a result corrections were made before the law was applied on a national basis.
But I think that I have written enough. Sorry to have gone on a bit.
RichT, Christchurch on 12:19pm today
Let me emphasis that the following is my personal view, and that your personal view is as important and valid as mine.
Genesis 3 The Fall of Man
With the coming of knowledge and wisdom came an awareness of nakedness and a desire to cover it. Hence knowledge and wisdom are associate with a sense of concern about nakedness. This was in the Garden of Eden and hence must have been part of God's will. This can be seen all round the world in communities where knowledge is the dominant force. The odd exception just proves the rule.
Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother who will use this power of public exposure to discomfort and drive away those who are not in their family group.
What will be the effect of this on a sexually frustrated Man and a Woman who longs for but is unable to have a baby? It will create a confrontational situation, provoking quarreling and conflict, which no Christian desires.
Hence my present view is that breast feeding in public in not a Christian or considerate act.
There were sound practical reasons for the old laws and ways and they should not be cast aside without care and science based checks and tests. i.e. experiments. If the present bill of equality is to be accepted it should first be given a trial over a reasonable period of time (one year) in a area that represents the country as a whole.
Tony Blair (RC) did this before the passing of laws, and as a result corrections were made before the law was applied on a national basis.
But I think that I have written enough. Sorry to have gone on a bit.
Posted by: Dorsetman1986, Wimborne on 7:06pm Mon 14 Jul 08
[quote][bold] Hugh[/bold] wrote:
RichT, Christchurch on 12:19pm today Let me emphasis that the following is my personal view, and that your personal view is as important and valid as mine. Genesis 3 The Fall of Man With the coming of knowledge and wisdom came an awareness of nakedness and a desire to cover it. Hence knowledge and wisdom are associate with a sense of concern about nakedness. This was in the Garden of Eden and hence must have been part of God's will. This can be seen all round the world in communities where knowledge is the dominant force. The odd exception just proves the rule. Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother who will use this power of public exposure to discomfort and drive away those who are not in their family group. What will be the effect of this on a sexually frustrated Man and a Woman who longs for but is unable to have a baby? It will create a confrontational situation, provoking quarreling and conflict, which no Christian desires. Hence my present view is that breast feeding in public in not a Christian or considerate act. There were sound practical reasons for the old laws and ways and they should not be cast aside without care and science based checks and tests. i.e. experiments. If the present bill of equality is to be accepted it should first be given a trial over a reasonable period of time (one year) in a area that represents the country as a whole. Tony Blair (RC) did this before the passing of laws, and as a result corrections were made before the law was applied on a national basis. But I think that I have written enough. Sorry to have gone on a bit.[/quote] As said before, anyone finding breastfeeding titilating has a serious problem. As for it not being a christian act, I disagree. The Vatican as mentioned above has brought back out images that depict jesus being breastfed, and as a religion that believes in things that go with the laws of nature and not against them, I'd say naturally feeding your kids is probably one of the most natural things you could possibly do. Furthermore if it's not a christian act regardless, who says we're all christian here?
Hugh wrote:
RichT, Christchurch on 12:19pm today Let me emphasis that the following is my personal view, and that your personal view is as important and valid as mine. Genesis 3 The Fall of Man With the coming of knowledge and wisdom came an awareness of nakedness and a desire to cover it. Hence knowledge and wisdom are associate with a sense of concern about nakedness. This was in the Garden of Eden and hence must have been part of God's will. This can be seen all round the world in communities where knowledge is the dominant force. The odd exception just proves the rule. Breast feeding in public will involve ever increasing degrees of nudity from the aggressive mother who will use this power of public exposure to discomfort and drive away those who are not in their family group. What will be the effect of this on a sexually frustrated Man and a Woman who longs for but is unable to have a baby? It will create a confrontational situation, provoking quarreling and conflict, which no Christian desires. Hence my present view is that breast feeding in public in not a Christian or considerate act. There were sound practical reasons for the old laws and ways and they should not be cast aside without care and science based checks and tests. i.e. experiments. If the present bill of equality is to be accepted it should first be given a trial over a reasonable period of time (one year) in a area that represents the country as a whole. Tony Blair (RC) did this before the passing of laws, and as a result corrections were made before the law was applied on a national basis. But I think that I have written enough. Sorry to have gone on a bit.
As said before, anyone finding breastfeeding titilating has a serious problem. As for it not being a christian act, I disagree. The Vatican as mentioned above has brought back out images that depict jesus being breastfed, and as a religion that believes in things that go with the laws of nature and not against them, I'd say naturally feeding your kids is probably one of the most natural things you could possibly do. Furthermore if it's not a christian act regardless, who says we're all christian here?
Posted by: Gerry, Lincolnshire on 8:47am Tue 15 Jul 08
Am I missing something? Why can't babies be bottle fed - I was. Uncorking the bottle (excuse the pun) in public is mere exhibitionism.
Am I missing something? Why can't babies be bottle fed - I was. Uncorking the bottle (excuse the pun) in public is mere exhibitionism.
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 7:39pm Tue 15 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Gerry[/bold] wrote:
Am I missing something? Why can't babies be bottle fed - I was. Uncorking the bottle (excuse the pun) in public is mere exhibitionism. [/quote] Its cheaper and easier ( or would be if people werent so narrow minded) and is as nature intended and I will say this again NOT as offensive as people flashing their stomachs , boobs and in the mens case bare chest in the summer. I have yet to see any woman show any flesh when breast feeding, my dad is 80 and never notices when my daughter feeds her baby in my lounge as she is so discreet. Nothing worng with being bottle fed and certainky nothing wrong with being breast fed
Gerry wrote:
Am I missing something? Why can't babies be bottle fed - I was. Uncorking the bottle (excuse the pun) in public is mere exhibitionism.
Its cheaper and easier ( or would be if people werent so narrow minded) and is as nature intended and I will say this again NOT as offensive as people flashing their stomachs , boobs and in the mens case bare chest in the summer. I have yet to see any woman show any flesh when breast feeding, my dad is 80 and never notices when my daughter feeds her baby in my lounge as she is so discreet. Nothing worng with being bottle fed and certainky nothing wrong with being breast fed
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 1:22pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hugh[/bold] wrote:
I fear for the future of Men in the feminist UK.
[quote][italic]Genesis 3
The Fall of Man
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"[/quote[/italic] ]
[/quote] [/italic]
I would far rather that religion was banned from public places.
Hugh wrote:
I fear for the future of Men in the feminist UK.
Genesis 3
The Fall of Man
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leav
