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| UNHAPPY: Jeremy Berg is closing down his Fabric Land branch at The Triangle in Bournemouth. Picture: Corin Messer. ID: 6736891. |
A BOURNEMOUTH businessman who owns 11 shops is closing his branch at The Triangle and blaming the council.
He says that his Bournemouth customers prefer to shop at his Southampton store and are deterred from shopping in Bournemouth by parking charges.
Jeremy Berg, managing director of dress fabrics and haberdashery retailer Fabric Land, says his empire grew after it had moved to the Comm- ercial Road site 22 years ago.
He said: "I'm unhappy about shutting our shop at 91 Com-mercial Road but poor footfall has forced the issue. I blame the council.
"I decided to close this branch 18 months ago because customers have to want to come shopping in the town centre - and they don't.
"I'm finding that people prefer to travel from Bournemouth to my Southampton branch because they prefer the location.
"Coffee Republic opened two doors away from me, not so long ago, and shut two weeks later because of diabolical trade."
Mr Berg believes that trade has got worse in the town. "The council has destroyed trade by allowing Castlepoint with its free parking.
"Shoppers have to pay to park in Bournemouth," he said.
Mr Berg does not intend to leave the borough and is considering opening a branch elsewhere.
He added: "Brighton and Hove City Council has made Brighton a vibrant town centre by not allowing a large shopping centre on the edge like Bourne-mouth Borough Council has with Castlepoint.
"I've had a shop in Southampton for the past 19 years.
"There, Southampton City Council, like Brighton and Hove City Council, has opted to put WestQuay in the city centre."
Conservative leader of Bournemouth Borough Council Stephen MacLoughlin said: "There has been heavy investment in Commercial Road, resulting in increased footfall - bucking the national trend.
"We have seen Costa Coffee and Coffee Republic come to the town.
"Bournemouth also has the first Marks & Spencer eco store in the UK.
"It is down to individual traders to benefit from the investment," he added.
Fabric Land will shut at the end of May.
8:45am Tuesday 20th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: rob.meadows, Bournemouth on 9:10am Tue 20 May 08
Mr Berg,Then ask the question to Cllr Nick King and Cllr David Kelsey,both have vested interest in the Triangle.Tell them that they have failed or looking after their own interest.This should be seen as failure by both and not to re-elect them at the next local election.As for the excuse given by Cllr Stephen McCloughlin,what a sad excuse.How many coffee shops does Bournemouth need.It not a major investor.Another reason to vote out Cllr McCloughlin.
Mr Berg,Then ask the question to Cllr Nick King and Cllr David Kelsey,both have vested interest in the Triangle.Tell them that they have failed or looking after their own interest.This should be seen as failure by both and not to re-elect them at the next local election.As for the excuse given by Cllr Stephen McCloughlin,what a sad excuse.How many coffee shops does Bournemouth need.It not a major investor.Another reason to vote out Cllr McCloughlin.
Posted by: anton, uk on 9:11am Tue 20 May 08
The wanton greed of parking charges in the town may well prove a false economy for the council. As shops shut it will ebb the flow of business charges and taxes picked up by the town hall.
I read somewhere that Britain is the highest taxed country in the world. Adding in all the parking charges etc. I wonder whether Bournemouth is one of the most taxed towns in Britain? If things are not changed, Old Christchurch Rd will soon be like the Specials song 'Ghost Town'.
The wanton greed of parking charges in the town may well prove a false economy for the council. As shops shut it will ebb the flow of business charges and taxes picked up by the town hall.
I read somewhere that Britain is the highest taxed country in the world. Adding in all the parking charges etc. I wonder whether Bournemouth is one of the most taxed towns in Britain? If things are not changed, Old Christchurch Rd will soon be like the Specials song 'Ghost Town'.
Posted by: Ed, Bournemouth on 9:22am Tue 20 May 08
Jeremy Berg said
[quote]"Coffee Republic opened two doors away from me, not so long ago, and shut two weeks later because of diabolical trade."[/quote]
Then Stephen MacLoughlin said
[quote]"We have seen Costa Coffee and Coffee Republic come to the town.[/quote]
So is Coffee Republic there or has it as claimed by Mr Berg closed. If so it shows once again how our council has no idea what is going on in the town.
Jeremy Berg said
"Coffee Republic opened two doors away from me, not so long ago, and shut two weeks later because of diabolical trade."
Then Stephen MacLoughlin said
"We have seen Costa Coffee and Coffee Republic come to the town.
So is Coffee Republic there or has it as claimed by Mr Berg closed. If so it shows once again how our council has no idea what is going on in the town.
Posted by: free wessex, dorset on 9:24am Tue 20 May 08
IMHO
This trend set in all those years ago when Bournemouth Council's attitude upset Woolworth who left over the then legality and style of Sunday trading, shopping in the town centre has declined ever since.
IMHO
This trend set in all those years ago when Bournemouth Council's attitude upset Woolworth who left over the then legality and style of Sunday trading, shopping in the town centre has declined ever since.
Posted by: Derek Cox on 9:26am Tue 20 May 08
Sadly, it's not just the shops and restaurants that are going to suffer from this Council's crazy attitude to parking. No-one in their right mind would pay the extortionate rates for a day's parking anywhere near the Beach. And at Westbourne, shop after shoop is closing thanks to the rising business rates and cost of leases. Now, it costs a pound just to park the car there to make a lunchtime dash into the Bank or visit one of the few remaining Post Offices. If Marks and Spencer can offer its customers free parking for an hour, why can't the Council follow suit for even half an hour? Kill off the shops, kill off the day trippers by making it too expensive to park - and kill off the entertainment like fireworks. But whatever you do, Councillors, don't deter the yobs, the binge drinkers and the foul-mouthed hen parties - after all, they're fuelling the tills of all our bars and clubs. And just wait till the Casino opens - guess many other resorts are green with envy!
Sadly, it's not just the shops and restaurants that are going to suffer from this Council's crazy attitude to parking. No-one in their right mind would pay the extortionate rates for a day's parking anywhere near the Beach. And at Westbourne, shop after shoop is closing thanks to the rising business rates and cost of leases. Now, it costs a pound just to park the car there to make a lunchtime dash into the Bank or visit one of the few remaining Post Offices. If Marks and Spencer can offer its customers free parking for an hour, why can't the Council follow suit for even half an hour? Kill off the shops, kill off the day trippers by making it too expensive to park - and kill off the entertainment like fireworks. But whatever you do, Councillors, don't deter the yobs, the binge drinkers and the foul-mouthed hen parties - after all, they're fuelling the tills of all our bars and clubs. And just wait till the Casino opens - guess many other resorts are green with envy!
Posted by: rob.meadows, Bournemouth on 9:32am Tue 20 May 08
If coffee is made from coffee beans then from Cllr McCloughlin comments then he resembles a bean.MR BEAN!!!
If coffee is made from coffee beans then from Cllr McCloughlin comments then he resembles a bean.MR BEAN!!!
Posted by: Richard, Bournemouth on 9:55am Tue 20 May 08
I think that this article is total clpatrap. It's always the way that when a business becomes less profitable the proprietor finds someone else to blame. The Town Centre has always had annoying parking charges and the real factor is whether a retailer is offering what people want. If they are, people will go there. If people want to try and drive to Southampton on a weekend they're welcome, especially when IKEA opens, it'll be madness up there.
I think that this article is total clpatrap. It's always the way that when a business becomes less profitable the proprietor finds someone else to blame. The Town Centre has always had annoying parking charges and the real factor is whether a retailer is offering what people want. If they are, people will go there. If people want to try and drive to Southampton on a weekend they're welcome, especially when IKEA opens, it'll be madness up there.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 10:05am Tue 20 May 08
Did we not, the people of the town in the know, over the issues of for ever rising car park charges say that in time to come this would affect the retail trade in the town.
We are sad to say that we did not expect it to come this quick.
Cllr McCloughlin, I thought your comments would show a bit more support towards the retailers. Eco or not, Marks & Spencers have been in the town for many years (have you), they have just announced a £1bn profit, something Fabric Land would never reach. Yes, we are talking the small businesses who have also been here for years.
I wonder how Cllr McCoughlin would react if because of parking and other matters his hotel business at the Yenton Hotel had to consider closing. Of course as yet he does not charge for car parking at the Yenton, although it is within the charges no doubt. Park at the Yenton and walk down to town, or get the bus. Save a few pounds.
One hour, two hours free or reduced parking fees for shoppers. I certainly do not park in Bournemouth, therefore I have to sadly spend my money in Poole. I do not like to admit that, but there is a mass differences in Car Park Charges
Did we not, the people of the town in the know, over the issues of for ever rising car park charges say that in time to come this would affect the retail trade in the town.
We are sad to say that we did not expect it to come this quick.
Cllr McCloughlin, I thought your comments would show a bit more support towards the retailers. Eco or not, Marks & Spencers have been in the town for many years (have you), they have just announced a £1bn profit, something Fabric Land would never reach. Yes, we are talking the small businesses who have also been here for years.
I wonder how Cllr McCoughlin would react if because of parking and other matters his hotel business at the Yenton Hotel had to consider closing. Of course as yet he does not charge for car parking at the Yenton, although it is within the charges no doubt. Park at the Yenton and walk down to town, or get the bus. Save a few pounds.
One hour, two hours free or reduced parking fees for shoppers. I certainly do not park in Bournemouth, therefore I have to sadly spend my money in Poole. I do not like to admit that, but there is a mass differences in Car Park Charges
Posted by: John, Poole on 10:50am Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Ed[/bold] wrote:
Jeremy Berg said [quote]"Coffee Republic opened two doors away from me, not so long ago, and shut two weeks later because of diabolical trade."[/quote] Then Stephen MacLoughlin said [quote]"We have seen Costa Coffee and Coffee Republic come to the town.[/quote] So is Coffee Republic there or has it as claimed by Mr Berg closed. If so it shows once again how our council has no idea what is going on in the town.[/quote] Never mind Coffee Republic, all Herr MacLoughlin and his cohorts are interested in is setting up their own Banana Republic in Bournemouth. It is the nighttime economy and activities around the Triangle that is NickKing the trade in that area!
The sooner the electorate wake up and smell the coffee, the better it will be for Bournemouth!
Ed wrote:
Jeremy Berg said "Coffee Republic opened two doors away from me, not so long ago, and shut two weeks later because of diabolical trade."
Then Stephen MacLoughlin said "We have seen Costa Coffee and Coffee Republic come to the town.
So is Coffee Republic there or has it as claimed by Mr Berg closed. If so it shows once again how our council has no idea what is going on in the town.
Never mind Coffee Republic, all Herr MacLoughlin and his cohorts are interested in is setting up their own Banana Republic in Bournemouth. It is the nighttime economy and activities around the Triangle that is NickKing the trade in that area!
The sooner the electorate wake up and smell the coffee, the better it will be for Bournemouth!
Posted by: RichT, Christchurch on 11:23am Tue 20 May 08
The council must be laughing - getting loads of money when we pay to park here for shopping, and probably loads too from the rates these shops have to pay.
As others have said, the council need to be careful as both sources of income may greatly decrease if shoppers desert the town!
The council must be laughing - getting loads of money when we pay to park here for shopping, and probably loads too from the rates these shops have to pay.
As others have said, the council need to be careful as both sources of income may greatly decrease if shoppers desert the town!
Posted by: tony foster, Bournemouth on 12:06pm Tue 20 May 08
Can't see what people's problem is, I still go to town to shop, if I know its going to be a quick shop then its still cheaper to pay for parking than a retrun bus ticket. If I know I will be a few hours then I get the bus, if people plan then they can save themselves moneyQ
Can't see what people's problem is, I still go to town to shop, if I know its going to be a quick shop then its still cheaper to pay for parking than a retrun bus ticket. If I know I will be a few hours then I get the bus, if people plan then they can save themselves moneyQ
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 12:07pm Tue 20 May 08
So what was the story with coffee republic? The complete refit of the shop must have cost a small fortune. Then closed after 2 weeks. Go sniffing for a story there Mr Echo.
So what was the story with coffee republic? The complete refit of the shop must have cost a small fortune. Then closed after 2 weeks. Go sniffing for a story there Mr Echo.
Posted by: rfraser3, Bournemouth on 12:26pm Tue 20 May 08
Well said Derek Cox - agreed on all points!
Well said Derek Cox - agreed on all points!
Posted by: E.L.M., Dorset on 3:57pm Tue 20 May 08
Am I missing something here is Mr Berg saying that people would rather go to Southampton than pay parking charges here? Does he have customers with cars that run on fresh air,do the math.
Am I missing something here is Mr Berg saying that people would rather go to Southampton than pay parking charges here? Does he have customers with cars that run on fresh air,do the math.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 5:24pm Tue 20 May 08
A lot of people who drive into Bournemouth and/or Poole also come from further afield than the town itself, like North Dorset, and the New Forest. Therefore it does not really make a difference if they decide to drive to Southampton to do all their shopping, and at the same time visiting Fabric Land in town. Car parks are cheaper in Southampton, and as already said, the shopping precincts are in town, and not out of town, or a drag from the carparks.
I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth.
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A lot of people who drive into Bournemouth and/or Poole also come from further afield than the town itself, like North Dorset, and the New Forest. Therefore it does not really make a difference if they decide to drive to Southampton to do all their shopping, and at the same time visiting Fabric Land in town. Car parks are cheaper in Southampton, and as already said, the shopping precincts are in town, and not out of town, or a drag from the carparks.
I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth.
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Posted by: A local resident, Poole on 6:01pm Tue 20 May 08
"I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"???
There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days?
The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop!
The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere.
"I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"???
There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days?
The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop!
The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere.
Posted by: Gastines, St.Malo ex Bournemouth on 7:00pm Tue 20 May 08
Perhaps follow the French example for a change.FREE parking 12-2.oopm allows you to enjoy a lunch in town restaurants.10-20min
s FREE outside most bunshops/butchers/ph
armacies/banks.Basic
ally as much as possible is done to encourage the use of local and town centre shops. Beach parking is in the main FREE. If a display/fete/show is on every effort is made to provide FREE and central parking.
Bournemouth seems to be going out of it's way to discourage visitors.
Perhaps follow the French example for a change.FREE parking 12-2.oopm allows you to enjoy a lunch in town restaurants.10-20min
s FREE outside most bunshops/butchers/ph
armacies/banks.Basic
ally as much as possible is done to encourage the use of local and town centre shops. Beach parking is in the main FREE. If a display/fete/show is on every effort is made to provide FREE and central parking.
Bournemouth seems to be going out of it's way to discourage visitors.
Posted by: Charlie on 7:04pm Tue 20 May 08
'A local resident' wrote: "The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere."
Says someone who obviously doesn't have mobility problems and can't see that anyone else could have.
'A local resident' wrote: "The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere."
Says someone who obviously doesn't have mobility problems and can't see that anyone else could have.
Posted by: ctessex, London on 7:24pm Tue 20 May 08
Is it really a case of people not wanting to travel to Bournemouth or The Triangle and can't afford to pay for parking or that people simply do not want to go to Fabric Land ? I don't have a problem paying to park in Bournemouth but tend to use the Richmond Hill car park as the majority of shops I want to visit are located on that side. Since C&A closed, what real incentive has there been to trek just that little further up the hill to The Triangle ?
Is it really a case of people not wanting to travel to Bournemouth or The Triangle and can't afford to pay for parking or that people simply do not want to go to Fabric Land ? I don't have a problem paying to park in Bournemouth but tend to use the Richmond Hill car park as the majority of shops I want to visit are located on that side. Since C&A closed, what real incentive has there been to trek just that little further up the hill to The Triangle ?
Posted by: mikeafcb, Ferndown on 7:55pm Tue 20 May 08
Coffee Republic has closed. End of.
Coffee Republic has closed. End of.
Posted by: Richard, Bournemouth on 8:34pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]A local resident[/bold] wrote:
"I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"???
There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days?
The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop!
The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere. [/quote] Very well said. You can park just off of Glenferness Avenue and have a very pleasant walk through the gardens to the shops. 10 minutes that'll do anyone good. You can also park free for 4 hours at Meyrick Park and walk down from there.
A local resident wrote:
"I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"???
There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days?
The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop!
The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere.
Very well said. You can park just off of Glenferness Avenue and have a very pleasant walk through the gardens to the shops. 10 minutes that'll do anyone good. You can also park free for 4 hours at Meyrick Park and walk down from there.
Posted by: snorth8554, bournemouth on 8:47pm Tue 20 May 08
My god I would love the luxury of having time to take leisurely strolls to the shops, and to be able to afford the ludicrous prices they charge for car parking. Unfortunately as quite a lot of us have children and need to have two jobs just to make ends meet it is a luxury I can ill afford. Prices for food are going up, petrol prices are going up quality of life is appalling for a majority of people. This country is going to hell in a handbasket. Furthermore every time I see councillor mcloughlin or one of his gesatapo colleagues they are knocking down a building, closing a school or defending the stupid decisions they take at cabinet. The issue here is small businesses, Marks and Spencers Costa Coffee all big chain stores have a different perspective. Perhaps the council want small businesses to close so they can open a casino, pub or strip joint!!!! I remeber in my youth when this town was a place older people and families loved to holiday, now all you get are drunken yobs and letches thank you Bournemouth Borough Council and may you all sleep soundly in your beds with your highly paid jobs that you don't deserve!!!!
My god I would love the luxury of having time to take leisurely strolls to the shops, and to be able to afford the ludicrous prices they charge for car parking. Unfortunately as quite a lot of us have children and need to have two jobs just to make ends meet it is a luxury I can ill afford. Prices for food are going up, petrol prices are going up quality of life is appalling for a majority of people. This country is going to hell in a handbasket. Furthermore every time I see councillor mcloughlin or one of his gesatapo colleagues they are knocking down a building, closing a school or defending the stupid decisions they take at cabinet. The issue here is small businesses, Marks and Spencers Costa Coffee all big chain stores have a different perspective. Perhaps the council want small businesses to close so they can open a casino, pub or strip joint!!!! I remeber in my youth when this town was a place older people and families loved to holiday, now all you get are drunken yobs and letches thank you Bournemouth Borough Council and may you all sleep soundly in your beds with your highly paid jobs that you don't deserve!!!!
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 8:52pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Richard[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]A local resident[/bold] wrote:
"I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"???
There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days?
The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop!
The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere. [/quote] Very well said. You can park just off of Glenferness Avenue and have a very pleasant walk through the gardens to the shops. 10 minutes that'll do anyone good. You can also park free for 4 hours at Meyrick Park and walk down from there. [/quote] Alright for you,but what about those of us who cannot walk far,with heart trouble,etc.selfish remark Richard,not like you.
Richard wrote:
A local resident wrote:
"I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"???
There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days?
The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop!
The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere.
Very well said. You can park just off of Glenferness Avenue and have a very pleasant walk through the gardens to the shops. 10 minutes that'll do anyone good. You can also park free for 4 hours at Meyrick Park and walk down from there.
Alright for you,but what about those of us who cannot walk far,with heart trouble,etc.selfish remark Richard,not like you.
Posted by: Clarance, Bournemouth on 1:48am Wed 21 May 08
Face it, Bournemouth town centre is just in a decline - with little chance of recovery. Southampton and Castlepoint get the trade and when Ikeaa opens next year - Southampton will get even more.
Perhaps we shall have more phone shops and estate agents?
Face it, Bournemouth town centre is just in a decline - with little chance of recovery. Southampton and Castlepoint get the trade and when Ikeaa opens next year - Southampton will get even more.
Perhaps we shall have more phone shops and estate agents?
Posted by: colin.mc, newquay,cornwall on 8:10pm Wed 21 May 08
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Richard[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]A local resident[/bold] wrote: "I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"??? There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days? The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop! The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere. [/quote] Very well said. You can park just off of Glenferness Avenue and have a very pleasant walk through the gardens to the shops. 10 minutes that'll do anyone good. You can also park free for 4 hours at Meyrick Park and walk down from there. [/quote] Alright for you,but what about those of us who cannot walk far,with heart trouble,etc.selfish remark Richard,not like you.[/quote] I dont think it was a selfish remark- surely people with mobility issues get free/reduced parking for themeselves & their companions don't they? After all, you see cars with the blue badges parked all over the town at all times of the day, some in pretty dangerous places as well.
The issue of the shopkeeper here is notable- there is a decline in footfall traffic at the Triangle but this is probably because the shops up that way are no longer selling what people want and/or at the prices people want to pay
At the same time, certain folk do seem to be burying their heads in the sand & at least not recognising there is a problem.
Bournemouth is not unique in this respect, out-of-town shoppig centres are sprining up everywhere & slowly causing a decline in town-centre trading, especially with the smaller shops.
Sad to say it's a sign of the times & 'progress' is well...progress.
If this fabric shop concerned is viable in its nature, then surely moving to a more suitable part of town could be a better alternative than to take such drastic action as shutting up shop altogether?
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Richard wrote: A local resident wrote: "I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"??? There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days? The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop! The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere.
Very well said. You can park just off of Glenferness Avenue and have a very pleasant walk through the gardens to the shops. 10 minutes that'll do anyone good. You can also park free for 4 hours at Meyrick Park and walk down from there.
Alright for you,but what about those of us who cannot walk far,with heart trouble,etc.selfish remark Richard,not like you.
I dont think it was a selfish remark- surely people with mobility issues get free/reduced parking for themeselves & their companions don't they? After all, you see cars with the blue badges parked all over the town at all times of the day, some in pretty dangerous places as well.
The issue of the shopkeeper here is notable- there is a decline in footfall traffic at the Triangle but this is probably because the shops up that way are no longer selling what people want and/or at the prices people want to pay
At the same time, certain folk do seem to be burying their heads in the sand & at least not recognising there is a problem.
Bournemouth is not unique in this respect, out-of-town shoppig centres are sprining up everywhere & slowly causing a decline in town-centre trading, especially with the smaller shops.
Sad to say it's a sign of the times & 'progress' is well...progress.
If this fabric shop concerned is viable in its nature, then surely moving to a more suitable part of town could be a better alternative than to take such drastic action as shutting up shop altogether?
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 8:41pm Wed 21 May 08
You obviously know very little about parking around bth centre,and are just as selfish,perhaps one day you might be disabled and learn for yourself,there is little "free" parking,and only if you are tax exempt.As i am unable to walk far because of heart,i and many others are limited to certain places,so next time think before making callous comments !.
You obviously know very little about parking around bth centre,and are just as selfish,perhaps one day you might be disabled and learn for yourself,there is little "free" parking,and only if you are tax exempt.As i am unable to walk far because of heart,i and many others are limited to certain places,so next time think before making callous comments !.
Posted by: E.L.M., Dorset on 9:05pm Wed 21 May 08
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Richard[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]A local resident[/bold] wrote: "I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"??? There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days? The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop! The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere. [/quote] Very well said. You can park just off of Glenferness Avenue and have a very pleasant walk through the gardens to the shops. 10 minutes that'll do anyone good. You can also park free for 4 hours at Meyrick Park and walk down from there. [/quote] Alright for you,but what about those of us who cannot walk far,with heart trouble,etc.selfish remark Richard,not like you.[/quote] Walking is recommended for heart problems Pete,exercise is good for our hearts,so is sex as long as you dont have a cigarette afterwards.
I have had an aortic valve replacement and walk everywhere I can,I park at Coy Pond and walk through our lovely upper gardens to get to town,its free parking all day.Dont make lame excuses for driving as close as possible to town.
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Richard wrote: A local resident wrote: "I have found it sometimes cheaper to go to Southampton, rather than visit Bournemouth"??? There is all day free parking within a ten minute walk of Bournemouth Town centre. Why does every body have to park right next door to a shop these days? The use of buses would probably increase if they introduced stops outside each and every shop! The parking charges in Poole, Westbourne and Bournemouth exploit people who are too idle to walk anywhere.
Very well said. You can park just off of Glenferness Avenue and have a very pleasant walk through the gardens to the shops. 10 minutes that'll do anyone good. You can also park free for 4 hours at Meyrick Park and walk down from there.
Alright for you,but what about those of us who cannot walk far,with heart trouble,etc.selfish remark Richard,not like you.
Walking is recommended for heart problems Pete,exercise is good for our hearts,so is sex as long as you dont have a cigarette afterwards.
I have had an aortic valve replacement and walk everywhere I can,I park at Coy Pond and walk through our lovely upper gardens to get to town,its free parking all day.Dont make lame excuses for driving as close as possible to town.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 3:51pm Thu 22 May 08
Thanks for the sex advice,but i dont smoke,i have 2 stents in one valve,1 stent in another,and 2 valves blocked,so can not walk far,and under doctors orders,not to.I am aware of the scenery along the gardens !,as i had to report it, and a few people,when i used to patrol them.Believe me it was not always a pretty sight.What is a aortic valve replacement,is it same as stent,at nearly 74 they dont want to do much on me.
Thanks for the sex advice,but i dont smoke,i have 2 stents in one valve,1 stent in another,and 2 valves blocked,so can not walk far,and under doctors orders,not to.I am aware of the scenery along the gardens !,as i had to report it, and a few people,when i used to patrol them.Believe me it was not always a pretty sight.What is a aortic valve replacement,is it same as stent,at nearly 74 they dont want to do much on me.
Posted by: E.L.M., Dorset on 5:06pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
Thanks for the sex advice,but i dont smoke,i have 2 stents in one valve,1 stent in another,and 2 valves blocked,so can not walk far,and under doctors orders,not to.I am aware of the scenery along the gardens !,as i had to report it, and a few people,when i used to patrol them.Believe me it was not always a pretty sight.What is a aortic valve replacement,is it same as stent,at nearly 74 they dont want to do much on me.[/quote] The Aortic valve is the main valve to the heart and replacement requires full open heart surgery.I have a rather unattractive "Zip" scar all down my chest from my sternum almost to my navel.My doctors advice was to do plenty of walking,I would get a second opinion if I were you.My advice of free parking was not aimed at the infirm but for the information of the able bodied moaners who do not like paying parking fees, it is a pleasant walk.
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Thanks for the sex advice,but i dont smoke,i have 2 stents in one valve,1 stent in another,and 2 valves blocked,so can not walk far,and under doctors orders,not to.I am aware of the scenery along the gardens !,as i had to report it, and a few people,when i used to patrol them.Believe me it was not always a pretty sight.What is a aortic valve replacement,is it same as stent,at nearly 74 they dont want to do much on me.
The Aortic valve is the main valve to the heart and replacement requires full open heart surgery.I have a rather unattractive "Zip" scar all down my chest from my sternum almost to my navel.My doctors advice was to do plenty of walking,I would get a second opinion if I were you.My advice of free parking was not aimed at the infirm but for the information of the able bodied moaners who do not like paying parking fees, it is a pleasant walk.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 5:29pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]E.L.M.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
Thanks for the sex advice,but i dont smoke,i have 2 stents in one valve,1 stent in another,and 2 valves blocked,so can not walk far,and under doctors orders,not to.I am aware of the scenery along the gardens !,as i had to report it, and a few people,when i used to patrol them.Believe me it was not always a pretty sight.What is a aortic valve replacement,is it same as stent,at nearly 74 they dont want to do much on me.[/quote] The Aortic valve is the main valve to the heart and replacement requires full open heart surgery.I have a rather unattractive "Zip" scar all down my chest from my sternum almost to my navel.My doctors advice was to do plenty of walking,I would get a second opinion if I were you.My advice of free parking was not aimed at the infirm but for the information of the able bodied moaners who do not like paying parking fees, it is a pleasant walk.[/quote] Thanks for the info,as for walking,i get puffed too often,i do up to about 15 yds at a time,and then after a while want to sit down,funny really as i played regular football in my late 50's, last game at 60.ONE THING I DO KNOW IT IS A VERY PLEASANT WALK.As i used to live in branksome and was a choirboy at St johns,i know it well.
E.L.M. wrote:
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Thanks for the sex advice,but i dont smoke,i have 2 stents in one valve,1 stent in another,and 2 valves blocked,so can not walk far,and under doctors orders,not to.I am aware of the scenery along the gardens !,as i had to report it, and a few people,when i used to patrol them.Believe me it was not always a pretty sight.What is a aortic valve replacement,is it same as stent,at nearly 74 they dont want to do much on me.
The Aortic valve is the main valve to the heart and replacement requires full open heart surgery.I have a rather unattractive "Zip" scar all down my chest from my sternum almost to my navel.My doctors advice was to do plenty of walking,I would get a second opinion if I were you.My advice of free parking was not aimed at the infirm but for the information of the able bodied moaners who do not like paying parking fees, it is a pleasant walk.
Thanks for the info,as for walking,i get puffed too often,i do up to about 15 yds at a time,and then after a while want to sit down,funny really as i played regular football in my late 50's, last game at 60.ONE THING I DO KNOW IT IS A VERY PLEASANT WALK.As i used to live in branksome and was a choirboy at St johns,i know it well.
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