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An inconvenient truth that could put loos on map
A "TOILET map" of Bournemouth looks set to be created after the scale of female incontinence among both young and old was revealed.
In a presentation to the town's Chamber of Trade, consultant James Barmforth presented a graph that showed nearly 15 per cent of woman aged between 25 and 29 suffered in some way.
He estimated there were 100,000 sufferers of all ages in the Daily Echo's circulation area.
Mr Barmforth, of the Royal Bournemouth and Christchurch Hospital, called for online maps with more maps and facilities to follow. He said it would boost visitor numbers.
Clr Stephen MacLoughlin, leader of Bournemouth council, said: "Given we are Britain's premier resort, this is the kind of thing we should be providing.
"I think it's unrealistic for all toilets to be council provision. The question is how we work with local businesses."
Peter Matthews from Castlepoint shopping centre said he would ask for the locations of its toilets to be put on the website.
Carol Butler, urban centre manager for Boscombe, said: "The council don't help. We only have one toilet, in Boscombe bus station." She said it opened at 9am and closed at 4.30pm, which was inconvenient for market traders setting up from 5.30am.
Tony Williams, executive director of education, said the council would look at putting more information on its website, including toilets in places like the BIC and consider the Boscombe situation.
Cllr Nigel Cowley, also a GP, said: "There's great potential for us to lead the way. I think Sheffield is the only other place with a map, and that's limited information."
Women can get the problem because their pelvic floor muscles weaken through pregnancy and childbirth.
Mr Barmforth's statistics showed 30 per cent of women had some form of incontinence, compared with eight per cent having diabetes.
His cases included patient going the toilet six or seven times a night, and a checkout supervisor who kept getting into trouble because she needed to use the toilet.
7:00pm Wednesday 14th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 10:11pm Wed 14 May 08
A toilet map of Bournemouth is not much use if Council Jobsworths lock them up at 5.00 pm
A toilet map of Bournemouth is not much use if Council Jobsworths lock them up at 5.00 pm
Posted by: Mike Pickering, Bournemouth on 4:21am Thu 15 May 08
It's always astounded me that you can be fined for public urination when there is no provision required for public toilets.
What are you supposed to do ?
Find a policeman and say - "Excuse me, I don't want to commit a public order offence, but in a few moments my bladder is going to empty entirely beyond my control...watch..".
and then pee yourself ?
Is that public urination, if you just do it in your trousers ? You would rightly be refused service anywhere or on any transport.....for doing the only thing you could to prevent a public order offence..
I, like many millions of others have been taken short on occaision and have always tried to at least find a patch of public grass, or a tree, or failing that - a drain..somewhere it wouldn't cause a nuisance smell or health hazard - what else are you supposed to do ?
I hope that now this has been highlighted as a 'womans health issue' something might actually be done about it, cause god knows no one cares if a bloke has nowhere to go.
It's always astounded me that you can be fined for public urination when there is no provision required for public toilets.
What are you supposed to do ?
Find a policeman and say - "Excuse me, I don't want to commit a public order offence, but in a few moments my bladder is going to empty entirely beyond my control...watch..".
and then pee yourself ?
Is that public urination, if you just do it in your trousers ? You would rightly be refused service anywhere or on any transport.....for doing the only thing you could to prevent a public order offence..
I, like many millions of others have been taken short on occaision and have always tried to at least find a patch of public grass, or a tree, or failing that - a drain..somewhere it wouldn't cause a nuisance smell or health hazard - what else are you supposed to do ?
I hope that now this has been highlighted as a 'womans health issue' something might actually be done about it, cause god knows no one cares if a bloke has nowhere to go.
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 7:40am Thu 15 May 08
" more loos please" I have a father who suffers from and enlarged prostrate and twin girl grandchildren who are always needing the loo at awkward times so more toilets in shops would help. I must admit to having to resort to finding a bush of some sort when there are no toilets to hand for the girls to use. This is an issue for men and woman I think, not every man likes to pee in the street
" more loos please" I have a father who suffers from and enlarged prostrate and twin girl grandchildren who are always needing the loo at awkward times so more toilets in shops would help. I must admit to having to resort to finding a bush of some sort when there are no toilets to hand for the girls to use. This is an issue for men and woman I think, not every man likes to pee in the street
Posted by: pilot, Bournemouth on 8:43am Thu 15 May 08
Us men like a pee too.
Posted by: Trifecta, Southbourne on 11:08am Thu 15 May 08
"called for online maps with more maps and facilities to follow. [bold]He said it would boost visitor numbers."[/bold]
Does Mr Barmforth choose his holidays according to the availability of khazi's?
Imagine the idyllic scene chez Barmforth when the latest Palmair brochure lands on the mat and they eagerly crowd round the computer to see how many urinals Tuscany has compared to Antibbes.
As the Ohec has still yet to enlighten us as to whether the credit crunch will be a good thing or not for tourism in Bournemouth perhaps they could include toilets in the next exciting Monopoly game.
That's probably why so many have been remaindered.
No loo info.
"called for online maps with more maps and facilities to follow.
He said it would boost visitor numbers."
Does Mr Barmforth choose his holidays according to the availability of khazi's?
Imagine the idyllic scene chez Barmforth when the latest Palmair brochure lands on the mat and they eagerly crowd round the computer to see how many urinals Tuscany has compared to Antibbes.
As the Ohec has still yet to enlighten us as to whether the credit crunch will be a good thing or not for tourism in Bournemouth perhaps they could include toilets in the next exciting Monopoly game.
That's probably why so many have been remaindered.
No loo info.
Posted by: Perihelion, Bournemouth on 11:22am Thu 15 May 08
An on-line toilet map?
So instead of bursting to spend a penny and find the toilet, you'll need to brouse the WWW in an internet cafe to find where they are! And why shouldn't the council as a public body fund public conveniences? And shutting the loos outside 'office hours'? They need to be open when the public are around. Just 'police' them better to stop vagrancy or vandalism problems.
An on-line toilet map?
So instead of bursting to spend a penny and find the toilet, you'll need to brouse the WWW in an internet cafe to find where they are! And why shouldn't the council as a public body fund public conveniences? And shutting the loos outside 'office hours'? They need to be open when the public are around. Just 'police' them better to stop vagrancy or vandalism problems.
Posted by: Rachel D, Bournemouth on 1:49pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]"Does Mr Barmforth choose his holidays according to the availability of khazi's?
Imagine the idyllic scene chez Barmforth when the latest Palmair brochure lands on the mat and they eagerly crowd round the computer to see how many urinals Tuscany has compared to Antibbes.
As the Ohec has still yet to enlighten us as to whether the credit crunch will be a good thing or not for tourism in Bournemouth perhaps they could include toilets in the next exciting Monopoly game.
That's probably why so many have been remaindered.
No loo info."[/bold][/quote]
Obviously the person who said this does not have a probem with their bladder and does not begin to understand how difficult these problems can be. It is a daunting prospect to go to a new location where you know nothing about how many toilets there are if you need to go desperately every 45 minutes or more. All a toilet map would do is put the minds of people who have these problems at rest so I do not see how this can be a bad thing. Maybe you shouldn't place comments here if you have no understanding of the feelings of the people who are in this situation.
"Does Mr Barmforth choose his holidays according to the availability of khazi's?
Imagine the idyllic scene chez Barmforth when the latest Palmair brochure lands on the mat and they eagerly crowd round the computer to see how many urinals Tuscany has compared to Antibbes.
As the Ohec has still yet to enlighten us as to whether the credit crunch will be a good thing or not for tourism in Bournemouth perhaps they could include toilets in the next exciting Monopoly game.
That's probably why so many have been remaindered.
No loo info."
Obviously the person who said this does not have a probem with their bladder and does not begin to understand how difficult these problems can be. It is a daunting prospect to go to a new location where you know nothing about how many toilets there are if you need to go desperately every 45 minutes or more. All a toilet map would do is put the minds of people who have these problems at rest so I do not see how this can be a bad thing. Maybe you shouldn't place comments here if you have no understanding of the feelings of the people who are in this situation.
Posted by: Tim M, usa on 2:23pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote]All a toilet map would do is put the minds of people who have these problems at rest so I do not see how this can be a bad thing. Maybe you shouldn't place comments here if you have no understanding of the feelings of the people who are in this situation.[/quote]
If you must know, I'm in this situation, 47, dodgy bladder etc, etc. My larger concern is that the Americanization of my countrymen seems to be nearing completion. Does no one have any sense of, or appreciation for irony any more?
All a toilet map would do is put the minds of people who have these problems at rest so I do not see how this can be a bad thing. Maybe you shouldn't place comments here if you have no understanding of the feelings of the people who are in this situation.
If you must know, I'm in this situation, 47, dodgy bladder etc, etc. My larger concern is that the Americanization of my countrymen seems to be nearing completion. Does no one have any sense of, or appreciation for irony any more?
Posted by: Old Contemptible, Poole on 3:42pm Thu 15 May 08
I myself as a cardiac patient have to take a diaretic(water) tablet once per day usually in the morning as in the evening it can wake you up a lot during the night! Consequently I need to plan my mornings very carefully as the 'call' comes very quickly! I realise that to maintained the past the public toilet provisions now means less pension money and 'taking' early retiredment for the 'jobsworths' but so what..there numbers are too large anyway!
I myself as a cardiac patient have to take a diaretic(water) tablet once per day usually in the morning as in the evening it can wake you up a lot during the night! Consequently I need to plan my mornings very carefully as the 'call' comes very quickly! I realise that to maintained the past the public toilet provisions now means less pension money and 'taking' early retiredment for the 'jobsworths' but so what..there numbers are too large anyway!
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 4:34pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Mike Pickering[/bold] wrote:
It's always astounded me that you can be fined for public urination when there is no provision required for public toilets.
What are you supposed to do ?
Find a policeman and say - "Excuse me, I don't want to commit a public order offence, but in a few moments my bladder is going to empty entirely beyond my control...watch..".
and then pee yourself ?
Is that public urination, if you just do it in your trousers ? You would rightly be refused service anywhere or on any transport.....for doing the only thing you could to prevent a public order offence..
I, like many millions of others have been taken short on occaision and have always tried to at least find a patch of public grass, or a tree, or failing that - a drain..somewhere it wouldn't cause a nuisance smell or health hazard - what else are you supposed to do ?
I hope that now this has been highlighted as a 'womans health issue' something might actually be done about it, cause god knows no one cares if a bloke has nowhere to go.[/quote] MIKE,i have bladder and prostrate cancer,so have to GO often,so know the problem of finding a toilet,those who do not care are being very thoughtless.
Mike Pickering wrote:
It's always astounded me that you can be fined for public urination when there is no provision required for public toilets.
What are you supposed to do ?
Find a policeman and say - "Excuse me, I don't want to commit a public order offence, but in a few moments my bladder is going to empty entirely beyond my control...watch..".
and then pee yourself ?
Is that public urination, if you just do it in your trousers ? You would rightly be refused service anywhere or on any transport.....for doing the only thing you could to prevent a public order offence..
I, like many millions of others have been taken short on occaision and have always tried to at least find a patch of public grass, or a tree, or failing that - a drain..somewhere it wouldn't cause a nuisance smell or health hazard - what else are you supposed to do ?
I hope that now this has been highlighted as a 'womans health issue' something might actually be done about it, cause god knows no one cares if a bloke has nowhere to go.
MIKE,i have bladder and prostrate cancer,so have to GO often,so know the problem of finding a toilet,those who do not care are being very thoughtless.
Posted by: enid, Bournemouth on 4:35pm Thu 15 May 08
Why do we need the excuse of "incontinent women"? Everyone needs to use public toilets when they are out and about, some more than others. It would be good for locals and tourists if Bournemouth were to improve the existing ones and build some more - and keep them open for longer. Public toilets used to be a reliable British institution.
We all have a tale of scurrying around some foreign resort pretending to buy a drink in a bar while furtively seeking out the loo!
Why do we need the excuse of "incontinent women"? Everyone needs to use public toilets when they are out and about, some more than others. It would be good for locals and tourists if Bournemouth were to improve the existing ones and build some more - and keep them open for longer. Public toilets used to be a reliable British institution.
We all have a tale of scurrying around some foreign resort pretending to buy a drink in a bar while furtively seeking out the loo!
Posted by: enid, Bournemouth on 4:37pm Thu 15 May 08
Why do we need the excuse of "incontinent women"? Everyone needs to use public toilets when they are out and about, some more than others. It would be good for locals and tourists if Bournemouth were to improve the existing ones and build some more - and keep them open for longer. Public toilets used to be a reliable British institution.
We all have a tale of scurrying around some foreign resort pretending to buy a drink in a bar while furtively seeking out the loo!
Why do we need the excuse of "incontinent women"? Everyone needs to use public toilets when they are out and about, some more than others. It would be good for locals and tourists if Bournemouth were to improve the existing ones and build some more - and keep them open for longer. Public toilets used to be a reliable British institution.
We all have a tale of scurrying around some foreign resort pretending to buy a drink in a bar while furtively seeking out the loo!
Posted by: Trifecta, Southbourne on 6:24pm Thu 15 May 08
[bold]"Obviously the person who said this does not have a probem with their bladder"[/bold]
As it happens I do not have a problem with my bladder but I do doubt whether a map of toilets on the internet would make a jot of difference to the number of tourists in Bournemouth.
[bold]"It is a daunting prospect to go to a new location where you know nothing about how many toilets"[/bold]
You have obviously led a very sheltered and priviledged life madam if this is your definition of daunting.
[bold]"All a toilet map would do is put the minds of people who have these problems at rest so I do not see how this can be a bad thing. "[/bold]
I never said that it was a bad thing. I merely poked a little fun at a man who would never dream of taking a holiday in Bournemouth, even if they paved the streets with triple ply paper and changed the name to ArmitageShanksville.
My point was about tourism and nothing to do with your lack of self control. Can you not get a bag?
Perhaps some shoes to match?
"Obviously the person who said this does not have a probem with their bladder"
As it happens I do not have a problem with my bladder but I do doubt whether a map of toilets on the internet would make a jot of difference to the number of tourists in Bournemouth.
"It is a daunting prospect to go to a new location where you know nothing about how many toilets"
You have obviously led a very sheltered and priviledged life madam if this is your definition of daunting.
"All a toilet map would do is put the minds of people who have these problems at rest so I do not see how this can be a bad thing. "
I never said that it was a bad thing. I merely poked a little fun at a man who would never dream of taking a holiday in Bournemouth, even if they paved the streets with triple ply paper and changed the name to ArmitageShanksville.
My point was about tourism and nothing to do with your lack of self control. Can you not get a bag?
Perhaps some shoes to match?
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