Cherries: 'Combative' Arter has matured says Howe (From Bournemouth Echo)

No he hasn't now on a ban, most of booking still from gobbing off which Eddie needs to sort out or when he feels he has been wronged he chases and hunts down and makes completely wreckless tackles thats not maturity.

I agree, Arter is petulant and isn't a ball winner in midfield either. Eddie needs to find a strong player that can operate in the middle alongside Arter or O'Kane who can break up the opposition play.

In Eddie we trust BUT cannot agree Arter has matured, he is niggly( some of his tackles make me cringe), continues to argue with refs...sure booking are an occupational hazard but in Arters case most were avoidable, he score some great goals , wins us matches BUT is still a liability.

Arter should let his feet do the talking and stop being a gobby little kid when things don't go his way. Swearing at the ref or kicking the ball away is pathetic at this level and he needs to grow up fast. Fine him a week's wages every time he gets booked for dissent and see how quick he shuts up!

For me, Arter has certainly shut up far more than he used to, although there is still more work to be done on keeping quiet. Let's face it, if anyone was going to get into trouble against Sheff Utd. it was Harry, in fact there was an incident right at the start of the match where they quite obviously targeted him to rile him up. It DIDN'T WORK!!! He kept his cool, along with other incidences where he walked in the opposite direction, leaving it to others to say their bit. I had kept a close eye on him, because I half expected him to find himself sent off, so was delighted with his attitude, not to say there is not still room for improvement....

Sorry Eddie I disagree.

His mouth gets him into more trouble than his feet.
He doesn't tackle well, is blinkered, doesn't close down well and consistantly gives the ball away.

We can ill afford a team member who runs around grizzling and kicking people when we have 2 far superior and experienced midfielders twiddling their thumbs on the bench.

In Eddie we trust but sometimes mate you need to sit in the stands and watch his OVERALL performance for 90 mins.

He's not very good.

sorry Eddie but his record speaks for itself, there are certain areas of our play you need to crack down on, the number of penalties we give away for a start, the bad habit of freezing players out, Zubar, James, McDermott, the 2 Dutchmen are all examples, this should not happen to any player

Afcbpete wrote:
For me, Arter has certainly shut up far more than he used to, although there is still more work to be done on keeping quiet. Let's face it, if anyone was going to get into trouble against Sheff Utd. it was Harry, in fact there was an incident right at the start of the match where they quite obviously targeted him to rile him up. It DIDN'T WORK!!! He kept his cool, along with other incidences where he walked in the opposite direction, leaving it to others to say their bit. I had kept a close eye on him, because I half expected him to find himself sent off, so was delighted with his attitude, not to say there is not still room for improvement....

Totally agree

eaststandman wrote:
Sorry Eddie I disagree. His mouth gets him into more trouble than his feet. He doesn't tackle well, is blinkered, doesn't close down well and consistantly gives the ball away. We can ill afford a team member who runs around grizzling and kicking people when we have 2 far superior and experienced midfielders twiddling their thumbs on the bench. In Eddie we trust but sometimes mate you need to sit in the stands and watch his OVERALL performance for 90 mins. He's not very good.

You pop up every time about Arter, you just can't stand him and can't see any of the good that he does, sure he ain't perfect and he does have some poor games, all players do but he has more better ones than bad, bet you don't like Pitman or Mcqoid either,

It's Harry bashing day again is it?

He is without doubt one of the most talented players we have within the squad, but some tunnel vision 'fans' just cannot see it.

He has worked hard on his dissent, but it's not something you can change overnight.

People are criticising him but then demanding a more combative midfielder - what do you want?

We are getting bullied by teams so lets put it about a bit ourselves and if we pick up a few bookings along the way then so be it.

I do agree the dissent ones are silly, but the Coventry booking I thought was unjust as Arter won the ball and it was only their girly, whinging midfielder that got him booked.

This was the same Coventry player who had been continually swearing and shouting at the East Stand linesman......that went unpunished.

Shaun MacDonald is best midfield player Boscombe has, when he and Arter are in the team togther we play much better football. we seem to go up a gear.

abc100 wrote:

eaststandman wrote: Sorry Eddie I disagree. His mouth gets him into more trouble than his feet. He doesn't tackle well, is blinkered, doesn't close down well and consistantly gives the ball away. We can ill afford a team member who runs around grizzling and kicking people when we have 2 far superior and experienced midfielders twiddling their thumbs on the bench. In Eddie we trust but sometimes mate you need to sit in the stands and watch his OVERALL performance for 90 mins. He's not very good.

You pop up every time about Arter, you just can't stand him and can't see any of the good that he does, sure he ain't perfect and he does have some poor games, all players do but he has more better ones than bad, bet you don't like Pitman or Mcqoid either,

I think Pitman is class and the best finisher by a country mile. Starts for me everytime and will benefit from better service.
Mcquoid blows hot and cold and seems to bottle 50/50 tackles but a good player.

My point about Arter is that we have better midfielders on the bench. especially away from home. As i'm off to Orient on saturday I'll be interested to see the difference, tho Harry generally plays better away from home for some reason.

Am sure i'll see you at Brisbane Rd.

lofty1971 wrote:
It's Harry bashing day again is it? He is without doubt one of the most talented players we have within the squad, but some tunnel vision 'fans' just cannot see it. He has worked hard on his dissent, but it's not something you can change overnight. People are criticising him but then demanding a more combative midfielder - what do you want? We are getting bullied by teams so lets put it about a bit ourselves and if we pick up a few bookings along the way then so be it. I do agree the dissent ones are silly, but the Coventry booking I thought was unjust as Arter won the ball and it was only their girly, whinging midfielder that got him booked. This was the same Coventry player who had been continually swearing and shouting at the East Stand linesman......that went unpunished.

His name was Bailey and , yes I could hear every 'F' word he said to the lino.

Seems you can do that to a lino but not the ref.

Up to the lino to make the ref aware I suppose, but I did think it ironic that he managed to get Harry booked for what looked like a hard but fair tackle.

Oh and I think Harry plays better away from home as he doesn't have the pressure of home fans getting on his back, especially when a pass goes astray.

I think someone raised yesterday the point about Gerrard and the number of passes he misplaces by trying to make each one a decisive one, Arter is very similar.

There are times though when you can hear the crowd hold their breath when he loses the ball and runs after the opposition to get it back - I know I do!

eaststandman wrote:

abc100 wrote:

eaststandman wrote: Sorry Eddie I disagree. His mouth gets him into more trouble than his feet. He doesn't tackle well, is blinkered, doesn't close down well and consistantly gives the ball away. We can ill afford a team member who runs around grizzling and kicking people when we have 2 far superior and experienced midfielders twiddling their thumbs on the bench. In Eddie we trust but sometimes mate you need to sit in the stands and watch his OVERALL performance for 90 mins. He's not very good.

You pop up every time about Arter, you just can't stand him and can't see any of the good that he does, sure he ain't perfect and he does have some poor games, all players do but he has more better ones than bad, bet you don't like Pitman or Mcqoid either,

I think Pitman is class and the best finisher by a country mile. Starts for me everytime and will benefit from better service. Mcquoid blows hot and cold and seems to bottle 50/50 tackles but a good player. My point about Arter is that we have better midfielders on the bench. especially away from home. As i'm off to Orient on saturday I'll be interested to see the difference, tho Harry generally plays better away from home for some reason. Am sure i'll see you at Brisbane Rd.

Absoloutly, going up tonight. I agree about pitman & Mcqoid, but to say Harry's not very good is odd, on our unbeaten run he was fantastic. He never hides and always wants the ball, I believe there are very few fans that can't see all the good things he does, must be doing something right cos Eddie picks him every week when available

Afcbpete wrote:
For me, Arter has certainly shut up far more than he used to, although there is still more work to be done on keeping quiet. Let's face it, if anyone was going to get into trouble against Sheff Utd. it was Harry, in fact there was an incident right at the start of the match where they quite obviously targeted him to rile him up. It DIDN'T WORK!!! He kept his cool, along with other incidences where he walked in the opposite direction, leaving it to others to say their bit. I had kept a close eye on him, because I half expected him to find himself sent off, so was delighted with his attitude, not to say there is not still room for improvement....

Got a job yet?

He getting better as a player, i dont mind abit of attitude, shows he cares. Still see him brushing long balls straight to the opposition though!

Mike Oxbig wrote:

Afcbpete wrote:
For me, Arter has certainly shut up far more than he used to, although there is still more work to be done on keeping quiet. Let's face it, if anyone was going to get into trouble against Sheff Utd. it was Harry, in fact there was an incident right at the start of the match where they quite obviously targeted him to rile him up. It DIDN'T WORK!!! He kept his cool, along with other incidences where he walked in the opposite direction, leaving it to others to say their bit. I had kept a close eye on him, because I half expected him to find himself sent off, so was delighted with his attitude, not to say there is not still room for improvement....

Got a job yet?

IF I was able to work, I would, but thanks for the concern LOL....

At least he shows a bit of passion for the shirt! Always looking to get the ball forward and his goal scoring has been fantastic this season! Yes I would like him to shut it sometimes but the positives he brings far at weigh the negatives!
Eddie Howe knows best!

There's no way he's a ball winning midfielder so he shouldn't be getting booked quite as frequently. It's more to do with the verbals.

Personally I think we can better in that area of the pitch.

There are many many more talented players at our club - UTC !

lofty1971 wrote:
It's Harry bashing day again is it? He is without doubt one of the most talented players we have within the squad, but some tunnel vision 'fans' just cannot see it. He has worked hard on his dissent, but it's not something you can change overnight. People are criticising him but then demanding a more combative midfielder - what do you want? We are getting bullied by teams so lets put it about a bit ourselves and if we pick up a few bookings along the way then so be it. I do agree the dissent ones are silly, but the Coventry booking I thought was unjust as Arter won the ball and it was only their girly, whinging midfielder that got him booked. This was the same Coventry player who had been continually swearing and shouting at the East Stand linesman......that went unpunished.

He's average at best, some tunnel vision fans just cannot see it. I hope he improves.

And lets not talk about that free kick on Tuesday night.......

Tommo_71 wrote:

lofty1971 wrote:
It's Harry bashing day again is it? He is without doubt one of the most talented players we have within the squad, but some tunnel vision 'fans' just cannot see it. He has worked hard on his dissent, but it's not something you can change overnight. People are criticising him but then demanding a more combative midfielder - what do you want? We are getting bullied by teams so lets put it about a bit ourselves and if we pick up a few bookings along the way then so be it. I do agree the dissent ones are silly, but the Coventry booking I thought was unjust as Arter won the ball and it was only their girly, whinging midfielder that got him booked. This was the same Coventry player who had been continually swearing and shouting at the East Stand linesman......that went unpunished.

He's average at best, some tunnel vision fans just cannot see it. I hope he improves.

And lets not talk about that free kick on Tuesday night.......

Yeah cos Pitman rattles in every free kick he takes!

The fact that we supporters can't agree about Arter, Pitman, Grabban and so on highlights the dilema Eddie H. has week in, week out. It's his judgement we need to trust and then support who ever is selected.

I feel the main concern is not whether Harry Arter is playing or not, as we have MacDonald and Hughes to fill in, but the fact that we have drawn blanks up front in the last 3 games.

Once the forwards are firing on all cylinders again we'll be fine. Let's hope they find their form again starting tomorrow.

Up the Cherries!!

devon fan wrote:
sorry Eddie but his record speaks for itself, there are certain areas of our play you need to crack down on, the number of penalties we give away for a start, the bad habit of freezing players out, Zubar, James, McDermott, the 2 Dutchmen are all examples, this should not happen to any player

Really? Eddie Howe's getting everything wrong is he? I don't think we give away any more penalties then the next team or is this just your knee jerk reaction to the one given on Tuesday?Now regards the players,in his capacity as manager Eddie see's these players train and play everyday where as you get to see them every other Saturday,(or every Saturday if you do the away days). Are you saying from the 90 minute games that you've seen your better informed to judge a players ability then our manager? I've said before that i like Zubar but you think he's better than Cook,Elphick and Addison? David James was one appearence away from triggering a seasons extension,taking him up to 43 years old,not really building for the future with that one wouldn't you agree? Eddie seemed to like Donal when he first came back and spoke positively about him but now he doesn't even make the bench.The guy's got all the skill in the world but seems to have an attitude problem,for my money doesn't seem that bothered when playing in the past and certainly doesn't work hard to get the ball back when losing possesion not to mention not even making the coach for an away trip back in the dark days of Groves and as for our 2 Dutchies he obviously didn't fancy them,saw them in training and wasn't keen,that's a managers perogative.Yet i bow to your superior knowledge,Eddie's got it so wrong so far that we've risen from 4th bottom to top and currently sit 4 points off the pace.Thank God your not running the team!

Harry needs to learn to shut up, he nearly got himself sent off Tuesday night, the ref was very kind to him in all honesty. He has been a thorn in our side with his gob! I have no issues with a combative midfielder in fact I am happy to see a player get stuck in but I don't like to see a player who always has something to say to the ref, he needs to grow up and get on with the game, he can't change the ref's decisions so there is no point to it!! I for one do not think he has changed so will have to disagree with EH on this one!!

Court Side wrote:

devon fan wrote:
sorry Eddie but his record speaks for itself, there are certain areas of our play you need to crack down on, the number of penalties we give away for a start, the bad habit of freezing players out, Zubar, James, McDermott, the 2 Dutchmen are all examples, this should not happen to any player

Really? Eddie Howe's getting everything wrong is he? I don't think we give away any more penalties then the next team or is this just your knee jerk reaction to the one given on Tuesday?Now regards the players,in his capacity as manager Eddie see's these players train and play everyday where as you get to see them every other Saturday,(or every Saturday if you do the away days). Are you saying from the 90 minute games that you've seen your better informed to judge a players ability then our manager? I've said before that i like Zubar but you think he's better than Cook,Elphick and Addison? David James was one appearence away from triggering a seasons extension,taking him up to 43 years old,not really building for the future with that one wouldn't you agree? Eddie seemed to like Donal when he first came back and spoke positively about him but now he doesn't even make the bench.The guy's got all the skill in the world but seems to have an attitude problem,for my money doesn't seem that bothered when playing in the past and certainly doesn't work hard to get the ball back when losing possesion not to mention not even making the coach for an away trip back in the dark days of Groves and as for our 2 Dutchies he obviously didn't fancy them,saw them in training and wasn't keen,that's a managers perogative.Yet i bow to your superior knowledge,Eddie's got it so wrong so far that we've risen from 4th bottom to top and currently sit 4 points off the pace.Thank God your not running the team!

Eddie is a victim of his own success as the fantastic rise up the table has lifted expectations. A slower move away from the bottom of the table would have been more helpful for him as He is now trying to maintain an automatic promotion push and swap out lower quality players. Some deserve to be frozen out.

Laugh at the comment blaming Eddie for conceding too many penalties : he isn't playing the two biggest culprits of James and macdonald, while Tuesday was a freak: a free kick that should have gone to us and then a freak ball to hand incident !

We are so lucky to have Eddie here

EH has written more articles about Arter than anyone else. He has a special place in EH heart but to the majority of the fans, he's average and McDonald is a better partner for the truly gifted O'Kane. Why he has to keep defending Arter is a mystery. It proves to me that Arter is not good enough and just a squad player at best. Up the cherries!

West moors 1 wrote:
EH has written more articles about Arter than anyone else. He has a special place in EH heart but to the majority of the fans, he's average and McDonald is a better partner for the truly gifted O'Kane. Why he has to keep defending Arter is a mystery. It proves to me that Arter is not good enough and just a squad player at best. Up the cherries!

Not good enough even though Cardiff were sniffing around in the not so distant past? I despair! To my mind we have 3 quality midfield players in Arter,O'Kane and Mcdonald. The original pairing of Arter and McDonald gelled very well and then when McDonald got injured there was a seemless transition with O'Kane coming in,taking his chance and cementing his place whilst still maintaining the teams impressive unbeaten run. The constant in the midfield pair is Arter so i think you'll find he's a bit better then "average". I admit i think he's looked a bit jaded recently but then so have others with the 2 unfortunate injuries that seem to have sapped a little bit of confidence out of the team but hoping this is temporary and normal service will resume at Orient tomorrow. Your right,Eddie does like Harry,not surprising seeing as he's the one who picked him up from Woking,so if he's good enough for the manager he's good enough for me.

Court Side wrote:

West moors 1 wrote:
EH has written more articles about Arter than anyone else. He has a special place in EH heart but to the majority of the fans, he's average and McDonald is a better partner for the truly gifted O'Kane. Why he has to keep defending Arter is a mystery. It proves to me that Arter is not good enough and just a squad player at best. Up the cherries!

Not good enough even though Cardiff were sniffing around in the not so distant past? I despair! To my mind we have 3 quality midfield players in Arter,O'Kane and Mcdonald. The original pairing of Arter and McDonald gelled very well and then when McDonald got injured there was a seemless transition with O'Kane coming in,taking his chance and cementing his place whilst still maintaining the teams impressive unbeaten run. The constant in the midfield pair is Arter so i think you'll find he's a bit better then "average". I admit i think he's looked a bit jaded recently but then so have others with the 2 unfortunate injuries that seem to have sapped a little bit of confidence out of the team but hoping this is temporary and normal service will resume at Orient tomorrow. Your right,Eddie does like Harry,not surprising seeing as he's the one who picked him up from Woking,so if he's good enough for the manager he's good enough for me.

How can you say he is just a squad player when Eddie picks him every game, the partnership with McDonald was fantastic and to say the majority of fans think he is average is just not true. Okane has been really good too and it's a nice but tough decision for the manager to have when they are all fit, I just can't see Harry missing out though.

Eddie defends Arter to keep his value up when transfer time comes around again, Yes hes had a lot of bookings for mouthing at the refs, lately though his bookings have been for miss-timed tackles, Guess Hughes will be in at Orient tomorrow, would rather see mac but bet Hughes gets booked as has happened on most of his recent games, just looking forward to getting behind the team and winning again, we need it now,

abc100 wrote:

Court Side wrote:

West moors 1 wrote:
EH has written more articles about Arter than anyone else. He has a special place in EH heart but to the majority of the fans, he's average and McDonald is a better partner for the truly gifted O'Kane. Why he has to keep defending Arter is a mystery. It proves to me that Arter is not good enough and just a squad player at best. Up the cherries!

Not good enough even though Cardiff were sniffing around in the not so distant past? I despair! To my mind we have 3 quality midfield players in Arter,O'Kane and Mcdonald. The original pairing of Arter and McDonald gelled very well and then when McDonald got injured there was a seemless transition with O'Kane coming in,taking his chance and cementing his place whilst still maintaining the teams impressive unbeaten run. The constant in the midfield pair is Arter so i think you'll find he's a bit better then "average". I admit i think he's looked a bit jaded recently but then so have others with the 2 unfortunate injuries that seem to have sapped a little bit of confidence out of the team but hoping this is temporary and normal service will resume at Orient tomorrow. Your right,Eddie does like Harry,not surprising seeing as he's the one who picked him up from Woking,so if he's good enough for the manager he's good enough for me.

How can you say he is just a squad player when Eddie picks him every game, the partnership with McDonald was fantastic and to say the majority of fans think he is average is just not true. Okane has been really good too and it's a nice but tough decision for the manager to have when they are all fit, I just can't see Harry missing out though.

Most points have been won this season when McDonald and o'Kane teamed up in midfield. Arter is average and not of championship quality and in my view is over rated by EH whose good but doesn't always get it right, remember Painter. For me and many other cherries fans, McDonald offers far more than Arter and alongside O'Kane we will get back to winning ways. We wont miss Arter but we have missed McDonald. Up the cherries!

West moors 1 wrote:

abc100 wrote:

Court Side wrote:

West moors 1 wrote:
EH has written more articles about Arter than anyone else. He has a special place in EH heart but to the majority of the fans, he's average and McDonald is a better partner for the truly gifted O'Kane. Why he has to keep defending Arter is a mystery. It proves to me that Arter is not good enough and just a squad player at best. Up the cherries!

Not good enough even though Cardiff were sniffing around in the not so distant past? I despair! To my mind we have 3 quality midfield players in Arter,O'Kane and Mcdonald. The original pairing of Arter and McDonald gelled very well and then when McDonald got injured there was a seemless transition with O'Kane coming in,taking his chance and cementing his place whilst still maintaining the teams impressive unbeaten run. The constant in the midfield pair is Arter so i think you'll find he's a bit better then "average". I admit i think he's looked a bit jaded recently but then so have others with the 2 unfortunate injuries that seem to have sapped a little bit of confidence out of the team but hoping this is temporary and normal service will resume at Orient tomorrow. Your right,Eddie does like Harry,not surprising seeing as he's the one who picked him up from Woking,so if he's good enough for the manager he's good enough for me.

How can you say he is just a squad player when Eddie picks him every game, the partnership with McDonald was fantastic and to say the majority of fans think he is average is just not true. Okane has been really good too and it's a nice but tough decision for the manager to have when they are all fit, I just can't see Harry missing out though.

Most points have been won this season when McDonald and o'Kane teamed up in midfield. Arter is average and not of championship quality and in my view is over rated by EH whose good but doesn't always get it right, remember Painter. For me and many other cherries fans, McDonald offers far more than Arter and alongside O'Kane we will get back to winning ways. We wont miss Arter but we have missed McDonald. Up the cherries!

Really, I haven't checked the stats but I would of thought that McDonald and okane have not played that many games together as since Eddie has been back Arter has played nearly every game and McDonald was injured for a while, I will come back to you on the stats later after the match, if I'm wrong my apologies

How he was missed at Orient today, as I predicted Hughes in in his place and not Mac, Eddie showed his negative and picking friends team today, 4 DEFEATS ON THE SPIN,Doncaster up next at home, come on Eddie sort it out !!!